**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 26 02:59:57 2010 Aug 26 03:37:26 hey Aug 26 03:37:36 anyone around? Aug 26 03:39:37 maybe Aug 26 03:39:54 egaudet: do you have java installed? Aug 26 03:40:29 yes Aug 26 03:42:02 damnit Aug 26 03:42:08 it seems like that's a prerequsite Aug 26 03:42:14 tbh I hate java... 8 / Aug 26 03:42:28 http://www.java.com/en/download/inc/windows_new_xpi.jsp that's the one I want to download? Aug 26 03:43:26 prereq for what? Aug 26 03:43:42 doing this whole 'thing' with the palm pre Aug 26 03:43:53 ?thing? Aug 26 03:44:04 I too do 'things' with my 'palm pre' Aug 26 03:44:18 I looked at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install but I was told I could do http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_from_the_Commandline instead, but even if I wanted the latter I still needed java installed on my machine Aug 26 03:44:32 my main goal right now, is just to back up the call log/sms log so I can view it from my computer Aug 26 03:44:43 like I use to be able to with palm desktop and my treo 600&700 Aug 26 03:44:43 well you don't Aug 26 03:44:55 I don't? Aug 26 03:44:55 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_the_Standalone_Installer Aug 26 03:44:59 there's an exe Aug 26 03:45:11 maybe it needs java I don't know Aug 26 03:45:18 you are windows? Aug 26 03:45:24 because step one says Click here to verify that you have the latest java installed on your computer and update if needed Aug 26 03:45:40 forget it Aug 26 03:45:41 i'm sshed through a linux machine to this server but this laptop is running windows natively Aug 26 03:45:44 jsut to go standalone isntaller page Aug 26 03:45:46 and try the exe Aug 26 03:45:53 really? ok Aug 26 03:46:09 assuming you absolutely positively could not use java I'm sure we could get Preware on your pre Aug 26 03:46:17 but it depends to what lengths you are willing to go too Aug 26 03:46:27 I'm pretty adapt with computers Aug 26 03:46:33 I just don't want to deal with java if I don't have to Aug 26 03:46:33 precomd + libusb works but I haven't touched that in months Aug 26 03:46:39 it's like, on it's way out(not nearly soon enough ugh) Aug 26 03:46:50 are those for windows? Aug 26 03:46:53 you won't be able to use any palm SDK tools without java Aug 26 03:47:08 but just getting Preware on the device you could do without java Aug 26 03:47:08 * ShadeS shakes his fist at the gods Aug 26 03:47:10 ;( Aug 26 03:47:13 (this would be real simple in linux) Aug 26 03:47:27 unfortinuatly I'm running windows on this laptop, not linux Aug 26 03:47:30 let me know if the standalone exe works Aug 26 03:47:50 alright Aug 26 03:48:22 even though the first thing it says JAVAJAVAJAVA 8 / Aug 26 03:48:46 not for the exe Aug 26 03:48:57 I really don't want to have to download eclipse either Aug 26 03:49:09 I guess I wouldn't really mind coding some things in java, if I ABSOLUTLY had to Aug 26 03:50:13 http://get.preware.org/ Aug 26 03:50:17 run the exe Aug 26 03:50:50 the application failed to initalize properly (0xc0000135). click ok to terminate the application; read: Java! Problem? Aug 26 03:51:02 ;( Aug 26 03:51:26 its oils fault Aug 26 03:52:34 really Aug 26 03:52:58 exe doesn't use java, it uses .net Aug 26 03:54:03 thats almost as bad…. :p Aug 26 03:54:10 ShadeS: so neither the java nor .net installers work for you? If that's the case, sounds like a problem with your environment Aug 26 03:54:20 but seriously, if http://install.preware.org/ does not have enough information for you to be able to install Preware without assitance, then you simply should not use Preware. Aug 26 03:55:03 libusb + precomd + command line Aug 26 03:55:29 but really easiest to just install java, you can remove it after if you really dont want it Aug 26 03:58:12 or you could try installing the SDK and then use novaterm Aug 26 04:11:36 anyone with a pixi want to test keyboss Aug 26 04:11:49 * halfhalo wants a pixi Aug 26 04:13:12 as do I Aug 26 04:13:23 TO EBAY! Aug 26 04:20:34 oh yeah Aug 26 04:20:37 I don't have .net installed either Aug 26 04:20:41 I guess I need that huh Aug 26 04:21:22 bsiegel: which should I install? Java or .net? Aug 26 04:24:55 ShadeS: If you have Windows XP or above you should already have .NEt installed. You may just need to upgrade it to a more recent version. Aug 26 04:26:26 it's funny cause cubase was complaining about lacking .net Aug 26 04:26:33 i have sp3 Aug 26 04:26:41 should I upgrade to 2, 3, or 4 Aug 26 04:26:48 because all I have seen are 2 and 4 lately Aug 26 04:31:52 install 3.5 SP1 and optionally install 4.0 after that Aug 26 04:32:43 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ab99342f-5d1a-413d-8319-81da479ab0d7&displaylang=en for 3.5 SP1 Aug 26 04:33:24 and http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9cfb2d51-5ff4-4491-b0e5-b386f32c0992&displaylang=en for 4.0 Aug 26 04:34:05 why would I want 3.5 over 2 Aug 26 04:37:38 I heard there were some version issues/compatability issues Aug 26 04:37:40 3.5 is the most recent and includes 3.0 and 2.0 Aug 26 04:37:53 I bet this will require a reboot Aug 26 04:37:54 basically 3.0 and 3.5 were updates to the original 2.0 framework Aug 26 04:38:01 so I need to install that 3.5sp1 before i can touch the 4.0? Aug 26 04:38:06 whereas 4.0 is all-brand-spankin-new Aug 26 04:38:14 oh ok Aug 26 04:38:20 doesnt matter the order I dont think, but i would do 3.5 first Aug 26 04:38:34 all-brand-spankin-new as in haven't-ironed-out-all-the-bugs-yet ? Aug 26 04:38:40 heh probably :p Aug 26 04:39:02 but most apps are still using 2.0/3.0/3.5 Aug 26 04:39:20 yeah Aug 26 04:39:26 you have to recompile with the new 2010 tools to get your app to run on the 4.0 runtime Aug 26 04:39:28 I'm not exactly sure what the .net framework provides... Aug 26 04:39:32 that is lame Aug 26 04:39:41 why would they even release 4.0 Aug 26 04:39:44 since it's new and not backwards compatible Aug 26 04:39:44 if it was just going to break everything Aug 26 04:40:46 the idea is if you want the new 4.0 shininess, you need to explicitly compile your app for it, since it is not exactly backwards compatible Aug 26 04:41:46 the biggest thing they added in 4.0 is probably dynamic (run time) typing. Aug 26 04:41:52 what incentive does 4.0 offer to not use the older versions anymore? Aug 26 04:42:01 what exactly is dynamic typing? Aug 26 04:43:06 it lets you write for .NET as if you were writing in a scripting language (like PHP, python, ruby, javascript) Aug 26 04:43:33 and before you had to compile your code before you could run it? Aug 26 04:43:54 FIFTY THREE MEGABYTES?! Aug 26 04:44:21 heh, compare that to the Java JRE ;) Aug 26 04:44:24 URGH Aug 26 04:44:26 18k/s! Aug 26 04:44:29 i feel jipped Aug 26 04:44:32 this is a 50/10 pipe Aug 26 04:44:54 what?? it started over..? Aug 26 04:45:03 hahaha Aug 26 04:45:06 well I guess it's time for a cigarette Aug 26 04:45:12 this isgoing to be a minute Aug 26 04:45:44 you can probably skip 4.0 if your connection is being slow Aug 26 04:45:59 like i said, most things don't use it yet anyhow Aug 26 04:46:35 yeah.. I'm only trying to install what I need Aug 26 04:46:40 this machine can't really multi task Aug 26 04:46:54 and I need to have network pentest tools on here as well as audio production tools Aug 26 04:47:00 3.5 will be plenty for the preware installer Aug 26 04:55:31 cool Aug 26 04:55:36 installing now Aug 26 04:55:43 it didn't complain about open browsers Aug 26 04:55:47 i hope those don't need to be closed Aug 26 05:06:00 sweet, .net is installed Aug 26 05:08:20 now to see if this .exe will go Aug 26 05:21:02 alright.. it did Aug 26 05:21:06 now to finish reading what to do Aug 26 06:06:11 when installing themes and patches, which should i do first? Aug 26 06:06:44 And would you recommend quick install route or preware? Aug 26 06:08:34 always preware Aug 26 06:08:47 ty for replying rwhitby! Aug 26 06:09:16 I remember you saying something earlier about what kind of kernel i should get? Aug 26 06:09:27 Could you tell me again? Aug 26 06:10:05 uber Aug 26 06:10:38 ty egaudet Aug 26 06:10:53 I haven't really messed with anything homebrew since 1.4.1.1 Aug 26 06:10:54 lol Aug 26 06:11:13 Kinda fell out of the loop. Aug 26 06:11:55 Uber, you say, is there anything else i will need and how reliable is it? Overheat really bad? Any known issues? Aug 26 06:12:38 anything in the default feeds should be stable. They have temp limiters, get govnah to configure Aug 26 06:13:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:UberKernel Aug 26 06:13:24 Oh, and for the which should I install first question, theme or patches? Knowing that some themes have patches made in them, I'm not sure. Aug 26 06:13:50 ty egaudet, most helpful. Aug 26 06:15:50 So, from what I'm reading on the wiki, you have to have the 1.4.1.1 webos version to run the kernel? Aug 26 06:16:30 If that's the case is there a reliable command line that disables the auto-updates? Aug 26 06:17:23 1.4.5 kernels are out Aug 26 06:19:35 ok, all found in preware I assume? Sorry, and again when installing themes and patches which should I first? Aug 26 06:19:46 do* Aug 26 06:20:00 1 theme only, install last, remove first. Aug 26 06:20:50 So if I were to use the emerg. patch recov., I would uninstall the theme first? Aug 26 06:22:11 yes Aug 26 06:23:03 Is there any apps or patches you would recommend? Aug 26 06:23:57 I've already installed internalz, wirc, freetether with mobile hotspot... any other good ones? Aug 26 06:24:18 Sorry, hope I'm not being a bother... :s Aug 26 06:24:34 there's a lot of good stuff, most recently off the top of my head mode switcher Aug 26 06:24:54 Is there a wiki for it? Aug 26 06:25:01 So I can read? Aug 26 06:25:15 Rather than asking a million questions, lol. Aug 26 06:25:17 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:ModeSwitcher Aug 26 06:26:21 What's a general use for it? Basically profiles if you will? Aug 26 06:26:55 xbones21x: once you've read the PreCentral thread, then ask more questions. Aug 26 06:27:12 Ok, I'll find it. Aug 26 06:28:44 ty rwhitby Aug 26 06:30:39 Which should be isntalled first, Uber or govnah, or does it not matter? Aug 26 06:30:59 Sorry I ask because I know with a lot of things on the pre order is important... Aug 26 06:35:39 either is fine. I install govnah first, cause then you can reboot immediately after installing uber Aug 26 06:35:58 BTW, far less things are order-important now Aug 26 06:36:44 I did notice that... like preware now tells you that there are other things needed and askes you to install them at that time, I like. Aug 26 06:37:28 You guys are deffinitely good at what you do. Aug 26 06:37:38 Thumbs up and thank you again! Aug 26 06:38:29 xbones21x: feel free to hit up our donations page ... Aug 26 06:38:50 Directions? Aug 26 06:38:59 Would be glad too... Aug 26 06:39:53 I'm not very wealthy tho, not sure how much I would be able to invest at the moment... :( Aug 26 06:40:27 http://bit.ly/webos-internals-donations Aug 26 06:42:25 Granted you guys just helped me and this may seem greety, but are there any other benifets to donating? Aug 26 06:42:47 Not that it is changing my mind any, just curious? Aug 26 06:43:09 it's all detailed on that page Aug 26 06:43:36 if nobody donated, we would have to close down the servers. Aug 26 06:43:53 then preware would stop working Aug 26 06:44:10 Ok then. One last question, unless of course I run into problems with installs, which should I do first, uber patching or regular patches? Aug 26 06:44:20 uber is a kernel, not a patch Aug 26 06:44:25 order doesn't matter Aug 26 06:44:26 And I deffinitely wouldn't like that... Aug 26 06:44:34 Ok, kool Aug 26 06:45:57 You guys do awesome work, what made you decide to do all this work initially for free? Aug 26 06:47:41 Credibility, knowing there would probably be donations or anyting else? Aug 26 06:48:24 we needed the stuff for our own devices Aug 26 06:48:51 Why not share right? Aug 26 06:50:54 So curious, Uber's wiki says that during a charge it knocks down to 500MHz, what if the phone is completely charged already but still connected to the phone? Aug 26 06:51:12 The cable that is... Aug 26 06:52:05 Is the knock down associated with the connection of the cord or the actual charging process? Aug 26 06:56:25 I know it's getting late, this will be my last question for the night. I'll wait til tomorrow if I have any further questions... Aug 26 07:02:01 Not sure if my last question made it on here...? Aug 26 07:02:10 I got disconnected... Aug 26 07:02:55 So curious, Uber's wiki says that during a charge it knocks down to 500MHz, what if the phone is completely charged already but still connected to the phone? Aug 26 07:03:07 Is the knock down associated with the connection of the cord or the actual charging process? Aug 26 07:10:36 Any takers? Aug 26 07:11:47 too late...I'd have to dig into the kernel code... Aug 26 07:13:17 Thanks for replying anyways... Would you be willing to check it out at another time and email me letting me know? Aug 26 07:18:41 the wiki doesnt' say? Aug 26 07:19:03 you could check this with govnah. Aug 26 07:19:22 put it on the charger and see what happens.... Aug 26 07:20:30 To be honest, I was waiting to get any critical questions out of the way before I did an install. Plus a few more recommenation to nudge me towards doing it, considering its a risk either way. What do you think? Worth installing? Aug 26 07:21:32 I've been running them for a while...I just don't remember doing that test. they are safe enough...install, test the charger and report back to us... Aug 26 07:21:40 I'll be interested to see the results. Aug 26 07:22:09 Ok, I thought it was a good question, lol. Aug 26 07:22:45 yes, and when you find out document it in the wiki...don't worry about style..there are folks who will clean it up. Aug 26 07:22:54 I try not to make a waste of my annoyance... :) Aug 26 07:23:13 good...I look forward to seeing the info.... Aug 26 07:23:54 But since I have you attention, what's the word on the virtual keyboard, I've been out of the loop for a while and I was wondering if its been running better? Aug 26 07:23:58 your* Aug 26 07:24:21 I don't use it...my wife does though...can't answer that. Aug 26 07:25:02 Lol, my gf and I had palms at the same time until she sold hers, never understood why either... Aug 26 07:25:06 :) Aug 26 07:26:11 okay I have a project that is overdue and a board to debug and its after midnight so I'd better shove off. Aug 26 07:26:56 Enjoy your night, think I'm going to get some shut eye... TY for the help! Aug 26 07:27:18 nn Aug 26 07:37:00 is it possible to get ftp in the pre web browser? Aug 26 07:52:21 is it possible to enable ftp in the pre web browser Aug 26 08:11:49 Txt-file, thats a #webos question Aug 26 08:12:18 I asked also in #webos **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 26 09:33:23 2010 Aug 26 09:48:48 Hello everyone , I meet another problem when build WIDK. When build x/libxcb , there is an error : libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-4, but the libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.2.6b. You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-4 and run autoconf again. Aug 26 09:49:01 What should I do then? Aug 26 12:23:01 afternoon Aug 26 15:59:38 moooooo Aug 26 16:00:37 ssshhhhhh Aug 26 16:00:41 I saw another pre running preware on campus today Aug 26 16:01:24 now, admittedly, it was my dev phone, but still, that's one more than was there yesterday Aug 26 16:03:50 ;D Aug 26 16:06:12 Well both my wife and my phone are running preware. She only knows it as homebrew apps though. Aug 26 16:12:45 What happens with updates if you run UberKernel? do you still get them? Do you need to restore the Palm before you get them? Aug 26 16:22:37 whot? Aug 26 16:22:46 u can always remove the uberkernel if u want Aug 26 16:25:03 ok, and What happens when Palm releases an update? Will you need to remove the UberK before accepting it? Aug 26 16:26:32 wiki says it should be fine but check there when you do. I did the last update with UberK Aug 26 16:26:56 that is good to hear Aug 26 16:27:56 Does the boot time improve? Aug 26 17:08:26 LOL. I had "Tip Calculator" as a Blacklist description in preware. I was trying to install Save/Restore, and didn't find it anywhere... Noted that http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/Packages has in the description for Save/Restore the following app: "Cool Tip Calculator" Aug 26 18:11:48 hello Aug 26 18:13:37 hi Aug 26 18:31:32 all kernels in webos-kernels feeds are OTA safe Aug 26 18:34:52 have been binary tech conect here? Aug 26 20:28:16 hi Aug 26 20:29:26 is there someone here that I can speak to about releasing an app through webos-internals? Aug 26 20:30:08 semprance: wait a bit, someone should be around soon Aug 26 20:30:27 ok thanks dr_jkl Aug 26 21:09:17 hey all. i see the uberkernel has been released. great job btw. now i have one question. I am running the original 800mhz patch that had to be done through the webos quick install and the command line. can someone help me figure out how to remove that so i can get the new one? Aug 26 21:11:30 doctor Aug 26 21:11:43 Thats a win solution Aug 26 21:12:11 i thought when it was written it also had a command to remove and replace with stock kernel Aug 26 21:13:28 i don't want to doctor. my cellphone is my internet connection right now. Aug 26 21:14:08 add the word "uninstall" at the end of the script when executing Aug 26 21:15:09 i don't have the script Aug 26 21:15:53 how so? the script should have been left in /var/home/root Aug 26 21:16:07 ah ok Aug 26 21:31:16 anyone i can talk to about an app release yet? Aug 26 21:34:24 * xcomp has never doctored his phone Aug 26 21:35:35 Although I know it will probably solve my incomplete app catalog install problem Aug 26 21:35:40 is it possible to switch the terminal app to utf-8 ? Aug 26 21:46:15 semprance: what kind of app? Aug 26 21:51:45 text editor using filemgr Aug 26 21:52:11 i needed one and found some people of pre central asking to so I thought I'd develop one Aug 26 21:55:29 PuffTheMagic: you around? Aug 26 21:58:35 ' Aug 26 21:58:36 yeah Aug 26 22:01:35 semprance: one hurdle is that filemgr is closed source. what license are you intending to use? Aug 26 22:01:48 I was wondering about that Aug 26 22:02:02 I noticed that on the internals wiki it recommends various open-source choices Aug 26 22:02:14 but considering filemgr is closed I'm not really sure what my options are Aug 26 22:02:47 I was going to go with gpl v3 but i assume thats not viable Aug 26 22:02:57 PuffTheMagic: I have a few questions for you in PM if you have time~ Aug 26 22:04:11 semprance: LGPL maybe? Aug 26 22:05:54 Yeah I guess that would be ok Aug 26 22:06:52 why does it have to be PM? Aug 26 22:07:01 if u need help maybe others do too Aug 26 22:08:08 "Honor all licenses, carrier agreements and copyrights." I can't really talk about it here! Aug 26 22:09:03 sudo make me a samich Aug 26 22:09:37 make: *** No rule to make target 'samich'. Stop. Aug 26 22:09:50 NOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Aug 26 22:11:44 en0x said I should talk to you about my question, so Aug 26 22:13:03 semprance: do you have much open source project experience? Aug 26 22:13:35 OSS is for people who are to lazy to protect their code :p Aug 26 22:14:02 no not really i'm afraid Aug 26 22:14:33 i've never really worked with other people when coding Aug 26 22:14:48 i'm open to it though Aug 26 22:14:58 you get more coding done working with a keyboard Aug 26 22:15:23 lol Aug 26 22:21:24 PuffTheMagic: en0x said to talk to you since you apparently wrote Freetether, and since I'd like to -not- get banned, I wanted to ask you in PM about it Aug 26 22:22:02 wait, banned for using freetether? Aug 26 22:22:10 0_o Aug 26 22:22:28 I have a feeling that since I want to tether that would kind of go against the "carrier agreement" bit? :I Aug 26 22:23:51 well since 1000000 other people have been doing it i would assume u are safe Aug 26 22:24:25 Puff has a good point. Aug 26 22:24:38 so you're telling me that even though it's in the topic no one cares if it's discussed here? :I Aug 26 22:24:54 The biggest issue I've got with tethering is that I'm on a CDMA network, and I need the ability to talk while I'm online. Aug 26 22:25:10 generally "honor all [...] carrier agreements" kind of means "don't talk about it here" :I Aug 26 22:26:39 the biggest issue I have is that Freetether on the Pixi is all sorts of weird with throwing out "(null)" for most of the IPs and not allowing Bluetooth tethering, since it'll just bomb out with the standard Auth error Aug 26 22:27:48 * dr_jkl has a blackberry 9700 with a data-only plan she uses for BT tethering, since tmo doesn't give a shit about that kind of thing Aug 26 22:28:48 I really only need it so I can browse email/wikipedia from class without constantly having my phone out. Laptops? yeah whatever, phones? PUT THAT AWAY RIGHT NOW Aug 26 22:29:24 why are phones an issue? Aug 26 22:30:24 don't really know. Most professors will stick to it though, which is stupid Aug 26 22:30:31 when i was in college, Aug 26 22:30:51 Phone is a huge no no and some will even kick you out of class for using it (I guess they assume your texting all the time or something?) Aug 26 22:31:02 if a professor had an issue with something i had, and i wasn't disturbing others with it, Aug 26 22:31:05 i'd tell them to get bent Aug 26 22:31:13 but laptops are fine, and most of the rooms have wifi, so... Most people end up browsing facebook and crap anyways Aug 26 22:31:15 lol Aug 26 22:31:34 but no one cares Aug 26 22:31:54 I'll admit that part of it is that the Pixi has a really tactile keyboard so it can get kind of loud if I'm typing like 55wpm on it Aug 26 22:31:58 heh, one professor actually _took_ my phone from me. i did a relay call from my laptop to the local police nonemergency number... had a cop show up in the middle of his lecture and made him give it back to me :) Aug 26 22:32:56 man has no right to take my stuff. being a professor does not give you the right to confiscate items which do not belong to you Aug 26 22:34:21 yeah Aug 26 22:34:46 either way, I'm basically stumped trying to get this working and since apparently PuffTheMagic wrote Freetether I was hoping to ask some questions and maybe figure out where my problem is Aug 26 22:36:46 wait around! :) Aug 26 22:37:29 that's why I'm still here ;P Aug 26 22:39:18 SineOt, ask away Aug 26 22:39:41 two parts: why is the WAN IP reported as (null)? Aug 26 22:40:11 and why, even with running various IPTABLES lines I've found on PreCentral, etc, it still reports an Auth failure Aug 26 22:40:41 cause i havent fixed it to work with new webos verions Aug 26 22:40:53 idk that the gui will even run in a jail Aug 26 22:40:54 lol Aug 26 22:41:18 lol Aug 26 22:41:21 i havent looked at it in forever so who knows why it dont work any more Aug 26 22:41:36 it never worked tbh, even back on 1.3.0 last time I tried it Aug 26 22:42:05 wifi never worked, correct Aug 26 22:42:10 tether wise Aug 26 22:42:14 but it did report wifi ip Aug 26 22:42:19 no, I mean the (null) bit Aug 26 22:42:24 for WAN IP etc Aug 26 22:42:43 I'm trying to get BT/USB tethering working as the Sprint Pixi has no Wifi Aug 27 00:28:44 ka6sox: I tested and found out about the govnah/ Aug 27 00:35:23 Is VBA able to be used on the pixi? Aug 27 00:37:38 xbones21x: not yet, sorry! Aug 27 00:37:41 * dtzWill doesn't have a pixi Aug 27 00:37:43 dundunDUN Aug 27 00:37:56 * dtzWill can't test without one, so didn't initially support it Aug 27 00:38:03 i'm working on it, but slow going since i have others test things for me Aug 27 00:38:49 ah... thought that's why it wasnt showing up in webos feed. Aug 27 00:39:01 It shows up in the app catalog tho??? Aug 27 00:39:05 for 4.99? Aug 27 00:39:18 yup Aug 27 00:39:20 xbones21x: o_O. pixi compat isn't checked. Aug 27 00:39:21 oh dera Aug 27 00:39:29 Lolzers Aug 27 00:40:08 just checked, my app entry in the dev portal does NOT claim pixi support. Aug 27 00:40:10 lol i have a pre but my cuz wanted it and his girl has a pixi, sucks for him i guess... Aug 27 00:40:24 if you're seeing it on the pixi idk what to tell you, sorry. Aug 27 00:40:35 ~seen zsoc Aug 27 00:40:45 not a big deal man, thanks for the reply Aug 27 00:41:00 xbones21x: welcome. well if every pixi user got faked-out by seeing it in the catalog that'd make me sad Aug 27 00:41:01 zsoc <~wirc@ool-4350c880.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 12d 3h 23m 49s ago, saying: 'sounds right'. Aug 27 00:41:03 glad i have a pre and not a pixi lol Aug 27 00:41:18 lol Aug 27 00:41:24 really biggest barrier to pixi support is designing skins for the different reslution Aug 27 00:41:24 buy an HP laptop and get a free pixi+ Aug 27 00:41:47 well that and testing, my code isn't as robust to different resolutions as it probably should be :) Aug 27 00:42:16 isn't there a template for that? Aug 27 00:42:19 (only changes are the VBA uses some assembly that the pixi doesn't support, but replacing those with C is easy since it all started out as C....) Aug 27 00:42:42 template for whatsit now? Aug 27 00:43:07 diff res Aug 27 00:43:46 Robi_: "template"? ==code pattern, etc? Aug 27 00:44:03 right.. Aug 27 00:44:12 Ares would have it Aug 27 00:44:33 anyway it's easy I just got lazy :), and when writing it all originally (the GL sacling code, etc) I wasn't always as clean as i should be Aug 27 00:44:38 Robi_: ares does pdk apps? Aug 27 00:44:50 Robi_: I'm talking about c code, etc Aug 27 00:45:14 also things like writing my menu system widget implementation to support automatically re-sizing and flow layouts... just isn't worth it :) Aug 27 00:45:44 long story short no pixi support but hopefully in the future Aug 27 00:48:10 ah.. Aug 27 00:49:02 then one would have to find another pdk app that does it already Aug 27 00:51:59 Robi_: I don't think it's as simple as you think--no other app will solve my same issues in a way that I can use, just do it myself. Aug 27 00:52:25 regardless I just need the chance to sit down and do it, which I haven't had yet... which is influenced by my inability to check my results by testing on a device :) Aug 27 01:03:22 dtzWill: so you going to buy a pixi for testing - do you reckon that pixi VBA sales would cover the purchase cost of a bad ESN pixi ? Aug 27 01:28:04 dtzWill: agreed, it seems things aren't as modular yet Aug 27 01:30:17 rwhitby: have there been any thoughts on fixing the freq graph display in govnah? always start from 0? or 500 so there's a visible change and graph fills in rather than flatline at bottom Aug 27 01:31:16 uh, PBU never completes for me today Aug 27 01:31:49 * rwhitby would steer clear of PBU personally Aug 27 01:42:29 hello everyone , when making WIDK I stuck at x/libxcb, there's an error that "Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a4, but the definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.2.6b" . What should I do next? Aug 27 01:42:41 I'm sorry for asked the same question twice(for internet connection problem) Aug 27 02:00:55 rwhitby: ok.. can you be a bit more specific? Aug 27 02:01:13 Robi_: read the PreCentral thread Aug 27 02:02:48 ok looking for it Aug 27 02:05:42 rwhitby: what about govnah Aug 27 02:06:08 Govnah rocks Aug 27 02:06:44 of course, did u see my question about the frequency graph? Aug 27 02:07:45 yep Aug 27 02:10:07 ok, looks like you're busy then Aug 27 02:10:41 Well I tried "make stage" 4 times and libxcb is built successfully, so strange... Aug 27 02:13:48 * halfhalo has pudding Aug 27 02:39:02 I know this .. is probably hardly the place to ask but does anyone here have any suggestions/worthwile pull with Sprint? I'm picking up the epic, I have a reservation for it's release on the 31st but my sprint preimer upgrade is not until sep 1st, I tried to call the store and ask if they could just finagle it but they said no >> Aug 27 02:39:20 wait Aug 27 02:42:20 lol Aug 27 02:43:25 I don't understand this, I can't move icons Aug 27 02:45:11 its oils fault Aug 27 02:45:53 * oil thinks halfhalo gives him too much credit Aug 27 02:46:01 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 27 02:59:57 2010