**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 31 02:59:57 2010
Aug 31 02:59:57 <uNiXpSyChO> real men use a slide-rule
Aug 31 02:59:59 <xbones21x> either of you guys be able to help me?
Aug 31 03:00:52 <uNiXpSyChO> with?
Aug 31 03:01:07 <uNiXpSyChO> i dont know much about computers but i can try?
Aug 31 03:02:20 <xbones21x> well first off im tethering from my palm pre.
Aug 31 03:02:48 <xbones21x> I want to bridge or share the internet connection to another device.
Aug 31 03:03:47 <xbones21x> but every time i connect the ethernet cable from my router to the pc i lose the wireless connection for internet
Aug 31 03:03:59 <uNiXpSyChO> "brdge" and "share" are 2 different things
Aug 31 03:04:13 <xbones21x> yes i understand this
Aug 31 03:04:39 <xbones21x> but either way, if i try either method, as soon as i connect the ethernet cable to my pc i lose the wireless connectiong
Aug 31 03:04:43 <xbones21x> connection*
Aug 31 03:06:43 <uNiXpSyChO> what wireless driver...  i know some OEM addon crap software will disable wireless if you plug your ethernet in.
Aug 31 03:07:34 <uNiXpSyChO> and i think the newer Sprint drivers refuses to work with wireless while using their broadband device and maybe even thering.
Aug 31 03:08:52 <xbones21x> well its a dell 1505
Aug 31 03:09:25 <xbones21x> think it was the best wireless adapter from dell at the time of purchase for my laptop
Aug 31 03:10:11 <uNiXpSyChO> but the card has extra software to select device depending on usage from what i remember... like when the power cable is plugged in or not.
Aug 31 03:10:30 <uNiXpSyChO> i dont have my Dell laptop sitting in front of me so i cant check.
Aug 31 03:11:00 <xbones21x> u mean like if i were on battery it will kick down the signal strength?
Aug 31 03:11:23 <xbones21x> i can change that option in the power options in control panel
Aug 31 03:11:25 <uNiXpSyChO> yep... and if on battery it will disable the ethernet port unless you go way out of your way to tell it not to do that
Aug 31 03:11:45 <xbones21x> which it doesnt have an option for that but im on cord anyways
Aug 31 03:11:49 <uNiXpSyChO> but also some drivers will disable the other "NIC" when the ethernet plugs in
Aug 31 03:12:10 <uNiXpSyChO> for example the Sprint drivers will do this.
Aug 31 03:13:04 <xbones21x> what do you mean by sprint drivers?
Aug 31 03:13:13 <xbones21x> i dont believe i have installed any sprint drivers
Aug 31 03:13:30 <uNiXpSyChO> the Sprint broadband driver for 3G/4G cards and tethering to smartphones
Aug 31 03:13:47 <uNiXpSyChO> its not really Sprint but its OEM drivers
Aug 31 03:13:57 <xbones21x> I'm using "my tether" to tether internet to my pc
Aug 31 03:14:07 <xbones21x> which isnt a sprint thing its homebrew
Aug 31 03:14:17 <uNiXpSyChO> no, i meant the PC drivers
Aug 31 03:14:25 <xbones21x> right
Aug 31 03:14:28 <xbones21x> i knew that
Aug 31 03:14:48 <xbones21x> so my wireless card might be kicking off cuz there is a lan connection being made?
Aug 31 03:14:56 <xbones21x> any possible ways around this?
Aug 31 03:15:06 <xbones21x> install off brand drivers or something
Aug 31 03:15:26 <xbones21x> I should call dell and freak out ,i love doing that
Aug 31 03:15:32 <uNiXpSyChO> Dell is useless
Aug 31 03:16:08 <uNiXpSyChO> try checking for some service that is doing it.  must be a setting somewhere.
Aug 31 03:16:31 <uNiXpSyChO> i never tethered with the Pre using Windoze so i dont really know.  i've only tethered with old Treo's
Aug 31 03:17:27 <xbones21x> i would have a different laptop if it werent for the fact i had someone help me get it and they already had an account with them
Aug 31 03:19:04 <uNiXpSyChO> you should be using an HP laptop with a Pre  ;-)
Aug 31 03:19:30 <xbones21x> hahaha
Aug 31 03:19:32 <xbones21x> ya right
Aug 31 03:19:46 <xbones21x> just cuz they own palm now doesnt mean their pc got any better
Aug 31 03:19:47 <xbones21x> lol
Aug 31 03:20:02 <xbones21x> i might buy one to get the free pixi but i would trash the pc
Aug 31 03:20:03 <xbones21x> hahaha
Aug 31 03:21:36 <uNiXpSyChO> install Linux and all your problems go away  ;P
Aug 31 03:21:46 <xbones21x> i already have it installed
Aug 31 03:21:51 <xbones21x> ubuntu
Aug 31 03:22:01 <xbones21x> would that let me share the connection?
Aug 31 03:22:14 * uNiXpSyChO falls in the floor
Aug 31 03:23:12 <uNiXpSyChO> of course.  with a bit of typing.  probably even a gui for doing that.  i dont use ubuntu, i use Fedora.
Aug 31 03:26:56 <xbones21x> well there basically the same right?
Aug 31 03:27:14 <xbones21x> commands for linux are universal right?
Aug 31 03:27:21 <uNiXpSyChO> yah
Aug 31 03:27:47 <xbones21x> id being willing to run linux for this
Aug 31 03:27:57 <xbones21x> Im pretty sure i can get xlink kia for linux
Aug 31 03:30:06 <halfhalo> wakkawakkawakka
Aug 31 03:36:38 <xbones21x> need more lube dude?
Aug 31 03:36:43 <xbones21x> i got some
Aug 31 03:36:46 <xbones21x> lmao
Aug 31 03:39:31 <halfhalo> EWWWWWWWWW FEDORA
Aug 31 03:42:29 <uNiXpSyChO> ubuntu is for skr1pt k1dd1es
Aug 31 03:42:42 <xbones21x> lol
Aug 31 03:42:56 <xbones21x> i just have it cuz i use novaterm for my palm pre
Aug 31 03:43:11 <xbones21x> i like using it better than quickinstalls
Aug 31 03:43:35 <halfhalo> I hate yum.  I really do
Aug 31 03:43:56 <uNiXpSyChO> yum is yummy
Aug 31 03:44:23 <xbones21x> yum? i have linux im not a casual user... lol
Aug 31 03:45:45 <cryptk|work> uNiXpSyChO: I run Ubuntu every day at home... it is very easy to use and thus convienient for me for home use
Aug 31 03:45:59 <cryptk|work> and this is coming from a full time, well paid, linux systems administrator
Aug 31 03:46:13 <cryptk|work> ubuntu is simple, but that is one of the big draws for it
Aug 31 03:46:17 <halfhalo> Yup
Aug 31 03:46:31 <halfhalo> Thats why my home systems are mac and windows
Aug 31 03:46:33 <cryptk|work> and Ubuntu server edition is pretty nice as well, I have several servers at work running it
Aug 31 03:46:44 <cryptk|work> halfhalo: eww
Aug 31 03:46:49 <halfhalo> at work I deal with linux
Aug 31 03:46:53 <uNiXpSyChO> i've been using RedHat based systems for way too many years at work and at home.  and i refused to use Windoze at work even tho it is mandatory....4 jobs.
Aug 31 03:47:20 <cryptk|work> I have the only company laptop that is authorized to dual boot windows and linux
Aug 31 03:47:21 <cryptk|work> lol
Aug 31 03:47:40 <halfhalo> I just ssh into everything
Aug 31 03:47:59 <uNiXpSyChO> i wont even do dual-boot.  there's nothing i cant do in Linux in a Windoze enviro....with a bit of hacking.
Aug 31 03:48:50 <uNiXpSyChO> My laptop has windoze but i polluted it with cygwin and use CLI for everything.
Aug 31 03:49:39 <halfhalo> heh, my laptop has cygwin, but I mostly use my mini for everything not media/gaming/related
Aug 31 03:53:36 <halfhalo> ssh for the win
Aug 31 04:08:57 <SineOt> I will say this: Linux has come a long way yet still, somehow, manages to make Wifi/Bluetooth suck :B
Aug 31 04:14:22 <oil> wifi/bluetooth work ok on the pre
Aug 31 04:14:24 <oil> and its linux :)
Aug 31 04:14:33 <halfhalo> lies
Aug 31 04:14:35 <halfhalo> its win ce
Aug 31 04:14:54 <oil> thats the worst idea ever
Aug 31 04:15:28 <halfhalo> lies
Aug 31 04:15:35 <halfhalo> its an amazing idea
Aug 31 04:21:39 <SineOt> oil: yeah, but they probably had a team of people working on getting one set of hardware working ;P
Aug 31 04:22:30 * DougReeder waves hello
Aug 31 04:23:53 * halfhalo still votes for win ce
Aug 31 04:24:46 <DougReeder> Is the screenstate governor a new kernel governor?
Aug 31 04:24:57 <halfhalo> oh, hey, I actuall have a linux lappytop
Aug 31 04:25:34 <SineOt> I've been using Jolicloud, it's pretty nice
Aug 31 04:25:53 <SineOt> ... Apart from the horrible bluetooth support and the fact that it can't connect to any WPA/WPA2 networks that is :I
Aug 31 04:26:01 <k-> LoneStar: nvm: it just suddenly _STARTED_WORKING_
Aug 31 04:27:46 <DougReeder> Linux docs talk about four kernel governors (performance, powesave, ondemand and conservative) and "the" userspace governor.    Is the screenstate governor actually a userspace governor?
Aug 31 04:36:28 <rwhitby> no
Aug 31 04:36:35 <rwhitby> it's a custom one
Aug 31 04:37:48 <DougReeder> Written for webOS?
Aug 31 04:38:33 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 31 04:38:52 <rwhitby> you've read the description for the kernel package in Preware, right?
Aug 31 04:39:26 <DougReeder> I think so
Aug 31 04:40:23 <halfhalo> ok, _every_ single mini usb cord I have is broken apparently, save for this one I just found
Aug 31 04:41:57 <SineOt> whoever decided that a "charging" usb cable should have D+ and D- shorted should get shot :(
Aug 31 04:42:27 <DougReeder> Ah, looks like I skimmed it at the time.  Are the preware package descritions available through a web browser?
Aug 31 04:43:20 <SineOt> rwhitby: if you have anything you want proofread/documented, let me know :o if you were serious about wanting documentation stuff
Aug 31 04:44:08 <cryptk|work> DougReeder: the screenstate governor is a governor that was custom made for our custom kernels... allows the phone to run at one speed with the screen on and another with the screen off
Aug 31 04:44:12 <rwhitby> SineOt: latest thing we need is documentation and screenshots for the .ipk file association stuff in the Preware wiki page
Aug 31 04:44:56 <SineOt> I'll try tackling that over the next few days between classes
Aug 31 04:45:06 <oil> we always need more documentation
Aug 31 04:45:16 <oil> im terrible at it
Aug 31 04:45:54 <SineOt> I might also redo the PDF manual for ModeSwitcher because the screenshots in it make pretty much zero sense
Aug 31 04:46:19 <rwhitby> SineOt: you should liase with the person who is writing that before doing so
Aug 31 04:47:24 <SineOt> I'll dig up the contact info then too
Aug 31 04:55:51 * DougReeder waves goodnight
Aug 31 04:57:09 <rwhitby> we really need a good wiki page which shows people how to install the Palm SDK and a working novaterm on windows from which they can cut and paste output
Aug 31 04:57:27 <rwhitby> and how to run palm-install on windows to install Preware
Aug 31 04:57:30 <rwhitby> SineOt: ^^
Aug 31 04:58:02 <halfhalo> lol... wikis.... :p
Aug 31 04:58:07 <SineOt> working novaterm on windows is a bitch :p
Aug 31 04:58:10 <SineOt> but I'll give it a shot
Aug 31 04:58:30 <rwhitby> cause all other windows command line options seem to stuff up the output
Aug 31 04:58:53 <Error454> Has anyone messed around with changing the vendor/product id for the mass storage controller? I'm curious whether something this simple might allow the xbox 360 to see the device.
Aug 31 05:01:53 <uNiXpSyChO> sure...if you build a custom kernel you can change the IDs
Aug 31 05:02:58 <jamesklyne> haha funny i'm trying to install the SDK on my linuxmint machine (ubuntu lucid derived distro)
Aug 31 05:04:14 <Error454> They made a lot of changes in the 1.4.5 source tree, the id's aren't as easy to find.  They used to have a composite directory with all the goods there.
Aug 31 05:04:41 <chandler> Yay, 1.4.5 for vzw pixi+
Aug 31 05:05:12 <SineOt> chandler: did 1.4.5 finally release for Verizon?
Aug 31 05:05:36 <chandler> only for the pixi plus right now
Aug 31 05:05:44 <chandler> http://www.precentral.net/webos-145-lands-verizon-pixi-plus-pre-att-users-standing
Aug 31 05:05:59 <uNiXpSyChO> changing the IDs are easier than you think.
Aug 31 05:06:23 <Error454> uNiXpSyChO: can you give me a hint in the right direction?
Aug 31 05:06:31 <uNiXpSyChO> .config
Aug 31 05:08:09 <SineOt> weird that it landed for the Pixi+ and not the Pre+
Aug 31 05:09:43 <oil> that is weird
Aug 31 05:11:17 <chandler> hey, it's the one time that the pixi+ is faster at something than the pre+
Aug 31 05:11:50 <rwhitby> a normally clocked pixi outperforms an overclocked pre on some benchmarks
Aug 31 05:12:11 <rwhitby> it has a better floating point implementation apparently
Aug 31 05:14:50 <chandler> I'll endeavor to make my jokes more accurate in the future. :-)
Aug 31 05:15:17 <SineOt> hee
Aug 31 05:15:29 <SineOt> yeah, 1.4.5 for me is old news by now ;p
Aug 31 05:15:35 <SineOt> but at least it's starting to roll out on Verizon
Aug 31 05:22:42 <jamesklyne> okay! SDK installed on linuxmint 9 64bit.  Palm's guide worked perfect.
Aug 31 05:27:57 <jamesklyne> now to install eclipse and setup
Aug 31 05:34:01 <jamesklyne_> poop had to reboot router
Aug 31 05:50:25 <jamesklyne> damn getting eclipse is taking forever
Aug 31 05:54:17 <jamesklyne> gonna look into the docs but does anyone know off hand if the palm emulator vm has any multitouch trickery?
Aug 31 05:55:50 <dtzWill> jamesklyne: officially, it doesn't.
Aug 31 05:56:03 <dtzWill> jamesklyne: erm, and that's all i know--AFAICT unofficially it doesn't either.
Aug 31 05:56:05 <jamesklyne> thx
Aug 31 05:56:29 <dtzWill> thank "I'm feeling lucky"+"palm emulator multitouch"
Aug 31 05:56:33 <dtzWill> it did all the work :D
Aug 31 05:57:33 <jamesklyne> yeah sorry, i'm in the middle of setting up eclipse.  appreciate you google prowess though :)
Aug 31 05:57:47 * dtzWill flexes his google-fu muscles
Aug 31 06:01:03 <halfhalo> linux is weird....
Aug 31 06:03:02 <jamesklyne> awesome
Aug 31 06:03:14 <jamesklyne> -fixed
Aug 31 06:06:25 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 06:06:35 <halfhalo> meh, mebe
Aug 31 06:08:58 <jamesklyne> i like it better than IRIX.
Aug 31 06:09:22 <jamesklyne> okay that's just a rant
Aug 31 06:11:12 <chrisA> weirdos
Aug 31 06:16:12 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 06:18:55 <jamesklyne> all i know is that the red birds are worthless
Aug 31 06:21:08 <halfhalo> ...
Aug 31 06:23:41 <jamesklyne> killing time on angry birds while get my sdk and eclipse setup
Aug 31 06:26:25 <TheSavaLord> hi to anyone is up
Aug 31 06:29:21 <jamesklyne> heya
Aug 31 06:30:09 <TheSavaLord> anyone know aythiing about gps
Aug 31 06:30:47 <TheSavaLord> anything
Aug 31 06:31:23 <chrisA> I know it involves satellite triangulation and works poorly in san francisco
Aug 31 06:32:40 <TheSavaLord> ii have had the same issue on 2 pres which my first one worked just fine.
Aug 31 06:33:07 <jamesklyne> mine worked fine in san fran
Aug 31 06:33:52 <TheSavaLord> even in vz navigator all I get is Getting GPS... and that's it
Aug 31 06:33:54 <jamesklyne> all of the bay area really
Aug 31 06:34:17 <chrisA> TheSavaLord: make sure the google services have been granted access in location settings
Aug 31 06:35:31 <TheSavaLord> google services just helps the gps. when I have it turned on it just gets a location within 10miles
Aug 31 06:36:42 <TheSavaLord> you can turn off gps and just use google
Aug 31 06:39:14 <TheSavaLord> that's strange thanks chris that worked on this cell but when I did it on my other cell it didn't work it just grabbed info from google
Aug 31 06:46:23 <jamesklyne> yay, just got palm-package and palm-install to get a test app onto the emu
Aug 31 06:46:29 <jamesklyne> a toenail in the door!
Aug 31 06:50:21 <jamesklyne> meh work tomorrow. outta here!  go phillies :)
Aug 31 07:47:58 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 31 08:30:45 <noradtux> hi
Aug 31 08:31:04 <swisstomcat> hi
Aug 31 08:31:20 <noradtux> rwhitby: read your tweet about preware alpha, I think it's ready ...
Aug 31 08:31:58 <swisstomcat> i have to add some german translations (filetype assoc)
Aug 31 08:38:25 <flip> hi everybody
Aug 31 08:40:38 <swisstomcat> hi
Aug 31 12:01:53 <en0x_wirc> hello
Aug 31 12:02:23 <swisstomcat> hi
Aug 31 12:03:04 <en0x> 'sup?
Aug 31 12:03:58 <swisstomcat> not much
Aug 31 12:04:21 <en0x> any news on new palm phone? :)
Aug 31 12:04:58 <swisstomcat> yeah
Aug 31 12:05:04 <swisstomcat> it will get there when it gets there
Aug 31 12:05:11 <en0x> ;D
Aug 31 13:40:20 <kieran> when i try to install pre ware it wont let me
Aug 31 13:46:03 <en0x> good to know
Aug 31 14:35:33 <chandler> anyone here have a vzw pixi plus? I can't actually get any of the PDK games palm lists here: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/08/got-game-palm-pixi-plus-on-verizon-does.html
Aug 31 16:26:01 <jdoelger> is there any way to run a python script from the terminal on my pre?
Aug 31 16:54:48 <bsiegel> only if it's available in optware
Aug 31 16:58:17 <bsiegel> it seems to be available there, so you're in luck
Aug 31 16:59:29 <bsiegel> jdoelger: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware
Aug 31 17:14:30 <jdoelger> bsiegel: thanks, now to see if I can make my pre into an eye-fi server!
Aug 31 18:17:27 <azakus> webos 2.0 sdk, go get
Aug 31 18:41:19 <xcomp> webos 2.0 ... win
Aug 31 18:41:33 <halfhalo> yup
Aug 31 18:44:34 <swisstomcat> yeah, massive win!
Aug 31 19:16:48 <idontwan2know> and these are only the things that are specific to developers
Aug 31 19:17:15 <idontwan2know> there's bound to be more stuff to be revealed
Aug 31 19:21:31 <Mercury> Ooooo.
Aug 31 19:21:37 <Mercury> _That_ is a very nice set of stuff.
Aug 31 19:22:34 <idontwan2know> the stacks thing certainly suggests that they expect users to have lots and lots of cards open in the future
Aug 31 19:23:03 * Mousey tries to upgrade the uberkernel in place
Aug 31 19:35:38 * Mousey succeeds!
Aug 31 19:35:44 * Mousey overclocks to 1GHz, gloats
Aug 31 19:36:38 <jhojho> pfft 1GHz.
Aug 31 19:44:16 <uNiXpSyChO> Zzzzz...
Aug 31 19:44:27 <uNiXpSyChO> F104... 1.1GHz.... beeytach!
Aug 31 19:46:12 <jhojho> defeated =D
Aug 31 19:46:33 * jhojho debates upping warthog to 1.11GHz
Aug 31 19:46:39 <sk4jc> wow! is there an actual limit to how far you can overclock the pre?
Aug 31 19:46:39 <uNiXpSyChO> LOL!!!!
Aug 31 19:47:10 * uNiXpSyChO thinks of a way to stretch the MHz number to become faster than 1.11GHz
Aug 31 19:47:18 <jhojho> 1.111
Aug 31 19:47:34 <uNiXpSyChO> 1113000000 KHz
Aug 31 19:47:39 <jhojho> 1.337
Aug 31 19:47:45 <jhojho> thats my new target
Aug 31 19:47:52 <uNiXpSyChO> l337
Aug 31 19:48:05 <uNiXpSyChO> an elite kernel
Aug 31 19:49:15 <ka6sox-work> poor PLL....making it work hard.
Aug 31 19:49:26 <halfhalo> lol
Aug 31 19:49:45 <uNiXpSyChO> thats why its a DPLL in there ;-)
Aug 31 19:49:52 <Mousey> cheater!
Aug 31 20:03:50 <mike232> hey ok so what is the thing i have to write in to put the pixi in Developer Mode?
Aug 31 20:04:19 <mike232> ????
Aug 31 20:05:13 <xcomp> ka6sox-work: I'm pretty sure the PLL isn't complaining. :)
Aug 31 20:05:58 <uNiXpSyChO> typical luser
Aug 31 21:08:31 <cxreg> rwhitby: ping
Aug 31 21:09:54 <rwhitby> yes
Aug 31 21:10:49 <cxreg> does preware have access to raw vote data for the app catalog?
Aug 31 21:11:04 <cxreg> and if so, where can i grab that data to play around with it?
Aug 31 21:11:54 <rwhitby> Preware gets the information from the Palm RSS feeds.
Aug 31 21:12:14 <cxreg> so that's cooked data then?
Aug 31 21:13:02 <cxreg> presumably these: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1844
Aug 31 21:17:53 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 31 21:18:31 * cxreg blesses vim's "at" text-object support
Aug 31 21:20:09 <cxreg> rwhitby: i floated a vastly superious scoring algorithm to chuq but i don't think he's passed it along yet ;)
Aug 31 21:20:19 <cxreg> i wanted to try it out on the raw scoring data but we apparently haven't got it
Aug 31 21:20:30 <cxreg> .oO(superious?)
Aug 31 21:20:33 <cxreg> superiour
Aug 31 22:20:47 <beelzabub> wow - pretty quite channel.  i've never seen it that way
Aug 31 22:20:59 <halfhalo_pre> lies
Aug 31 22:21:24 <jhowirc> zzzz. everyone is on nodejs
Aug 31 22:21:40 <beelzabub> :D
Aug 31 22:21:53 <halfhalo_pre> bleh
Aug 31 22:23:42 <halfhalo_pre> :p
Aug 31 22:23:56 <halfhalo_pre> I need to work moar on my nodee stuff
Aug 31 22:26:31 * Mousey install's greg_roll's awesome patches of win
Aug 31 22:29:46 <Mousey> "BUILDNAME","Nova-Sprint-Castle"
Aug 31 22:29:49 <Mousey> awwwwwwwwww yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Aug 31 22:29:51 * Mousey rubs tummy
Aug 31 22:54:24 <Mousey>  is there a way to get normal music whatever to play thru regular headset profile instead of needing a2dp?
Aug 31 23:27:57 <beelzabub> probably not
Aug 31 23:28:31 <beelzabub> you might look to see if you can hack the music app, but i don't think it does the actual routing - i suspect it's done in native layers
Aug 31 23:29:28 <beelzabub> in particular, it's probably within the bt stack
Sep 01 00:39:53 <fahque> I take it a useable sip client won't be possible until the mic api is avail. (2.0) ?
Sep 01 01:08:57 <raeb> helo
Sep 01 01:09:46 <raeb> angry birds + 1.1ghz = 55°c
Sep 01 01:10:30 <raeb> on sprint pre
Sep 01 01:18:44 <SineOt> You know, looking at those webOS 2.0 screenshots that everyone seems to keep posting... The gap at the bottom of the dock/quick launch is kind of really ugly. :s
Sep 01 01:19:24 <oil> SineOt: first thing i noticed
Sep 01 01:20:01 <bsiegel> SineOt: yeah I hope that is a rough edge they smooth out
Sep 01 01:20:39 <SineOt> I'm sure it is a rough edge, because there's really no reason to move it in the first place
Sep 01 01:20:49 <oil> or some other fancy stuff that is not explained
Sep 01 01:21:11 <halfhalo> like magic
Sep 01 01:21:17 <SineOt> even then what kind of fancy stuff requires moving the quick launch up like 8 pixels with a rough edge? :p
Sep 01 01:21:27 <halfhalo> unicorns
Sep 01 01:21:47 <oil> and rainbows
Sep 01 01:21:50 <SineOt> it's now horn friendly
Sep 01 01:22:19 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 01 01:22:19 <scoutcamper> lol
Sep 01 01:25:34 <fahque> magic
Sep 01 01:26:15 <SineOt> the gap is where the rainbows and lasers come out
Sep 01 01:26:53 <oil> and puppies
Sep 01 01:27:01 <halfhalo> yup
Sep 01 01:28:35 <SineOt> no kittens?
Sep 01 01:28:41 <halfhalo> nope
Sep 01 01:28:43 <SineOt> PALM IS FUCKING US AGAIN
Sep 01 01:29:08 <SineOt> ANDROID HERE I COME
Sep 01 01:29:22 <oil> stacks + wirc = yay
Sep 01 01:29:48 <SineOt> real hybrid app support + wirc = I can finally run 0.3 :P
Sep 01 01:30:12 <halfhalo> lies
Sep 01 01:31:04 <SineOt> truths
Sep 01 01:42:25 <punzada> anyone happen to know if the memo app stores its data in any sane location (hopefully in plaintext)?
Sep 01 01:43:37 <raeb> unknown unknowns
Sep 01 01:44:13 <SineOt> mysterious mysteriouses :Q
Sep 01 01:44:51 <oil> punzada: its stored in that 8px buffer on the bottom
Sep 01 01:45:12 <oil> xD
Sep 01 01:45:14 <destinal> punzada: safe to say it's text, but not so plain.
Sep 01 01:45:23 <raeb> where the closed captioning info is encoded
Sep 01 01:45:24 <SineOt> oil: lol
Sep 01 01:45:46 <bsiegel> I'd bet it's stored in the database using the standard Mojo.Depot APIs
Sep 01 01:46:34 <raeb> string theory suggests that matter doesn't exist unless its observed
Sep 01 01:46:54 <raeb> therefore the text only exists when its on the screen
Sep 01 01:47:04 <destinal> lol
Sep 01 01:47:09 <oil> lol
Sep 01 01:47:10 <SineOt> does that mean that you don't exist, raeb?
Sep 01 01:47:32 <oil> no, he's in the nicklist
Sep 01 01:47:36 <oil> if he ever /quits though
Sep 01 01:47:42 <destinal> *poof*
Sep 01 01:48:08 <raeb> hmm banhammer seems pretty powerful now doesn't it
Sep 01 01:48:27 <oil> haha
Sep 01 01:48:59 <SineOt> oil: but I can't see the nicklist ? nonexistance
Sep 01 01:49:08 * oil can though
Sep 01 01:49:32 <raeb> oil can
Sep 01 01:49:43 <raeb> every shop needs one
Sep 01 01:49:43 <SineOt> a nonexisting nonexistant telling me that another doesn't exist? ;o HOW DEEP DOES THIS RABBIT HOLE GO
Sep 01 01:51:20 <rwhitby> punzada: save/restore saves memos as html for you
Sep 01 01:52:04 <SineOt> oh that reminds me
Sep 01 01:52:23 <SineOt> rwhitby: do some applications need to be launched prior to save/restore being able to restore to them?
Sep 01 01:53:21 <rwhitby> so that they initialise a database file which then gets overwritten
Sep 01 01:53:59 <SineOt> ah
Sep 01 01:56:06 <WindBell> rwhitby: Can i686 part of WIDK be automatically built now?
Sep 01 01:56:34 <rwhitby> WindBell: only if the rootfs extraction can be automated
Sep 01 01:57:11 <WindBell> Well does my script work for that?
Sep 01 02:00:41 <rwhitby> it needs to work on Ubuntu Linux - dunno about the vbox unpacking step
Sep 01 02:01:09 <WindBell> Well VirtualBox should be installed on the Linux
Sep 01 02:01:42 <WindBell> VBoxManage is part of VirtualBox
Sep 01 02:02:44 <punzada> thanks for the info rwhitby
Sep 01 02:03:34 <WindBell> It can convert disk files between VMDK / VDI / RAW ( which be directly mounted by "mount" or write into disk by "dd" )
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