**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 02 02:59:58 2010 Sep 02 03:28:21 jhojho: I've done that before Sep 02 03:28:55 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PIXI2010-08-25-191652.jpg although it really depends on the lense. Some of them are SUPER MACRO Sep 02 03:29:21 That's the artist's signature on a penny Sep 02 03:52:26 impressive Sep 02 05:34:00 doh I was hoping swisstomcat was on Sep 02 05:34:40 no such luck Sep 02 05:40:34 we were going over my attempt to use drawer widgits (18 of them) inside titled lists for a help scene. I wasn't sure how to simplify the code. From the samples in the SDK it was looking like I was going to have to have 18 setup widgits and 18 listeners and 18 procedures. I made the changes to the html from the suggestions last night but I'm still confused on the JS part of the code. I'm doing something wrong because the d Sep 02 05:42:24 we also talked about the possibility of using templates but I think I'm still confused on how to redo it to go that route Sep 02 05:42:47 as you can see I'm still green at coding for webOS Sep 02 06:04:49 StoneRyno: swisstomcat arrives later usually Sep 02 06:10:48 en0x: spaz has something wrong, eats a lot of mem and slows down the phone.. leaks somewhere Sep 02 06:11:25 rwhitby: thoughts on a skip feed download button/key press option? Sep 02 06:11:47 Robi_: set download to "ask" Sep 02 06:19:47 I may stop in later again, I just posted for help on the palm dev forum too Sep 02 06:59:28 rwhitby: too many clicks.. it's only sometimes that you need to skip it, and usually want to d/l Sep 02 07:00:41 trouble is that you will have already overwritten half the feeds, and will end up with loading corrupted feeds Sep 02 07:01:07 why does it keep overwriting? Sep 02 07:01:54 it will have overwritten half the feeds - you won't have a consistent data set when you get into Preware Sep 02 07:02:47 doesn't apt just check timestamps or some incremental number in a file before downloading any pkg lists? Sep 02 07:03:08 this isn't apt Sep 02 07:03:41 well dpkg ~ ipkg Sep 02 07:04:14 ok so its a limitation of the repo & pkg mgr Sep 02 07:06:38 so if networking fails during d/l, feeds corrupt? Sep 02 07:07:05 isn't a temp file used for the d/l? Sep 02 07:08:01 anyone planning on coming to node.js conference? Sep 02 07:13:01 yes, if networking fails during d/l, feeds corrupt, courtesy of ipkg Sep 02 07:25:41 morning Sep 02 15:44:47 i need help Sep 02 15:47:00 i had to run webos doctor yester day and now when i try to in stall preware it says cannot connect to package feed: http:ipkgpreware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages Sep 02 15:47:17 lies! Sep 02 15:47:19 ;] Sep 02 15:47:32 Mnoble, http://ipkg.preware.org Sep 02 15:48:06 what is it? Sep 02 15:48:15 "it" says Sep 02 15:48:57 ur sister ;P Sep 02 15:49:46 page wont load................ Sep 02 15:50:08 http://install.preware.org Sep 02 15:51:58 oh..thats an interesting error. Sep 02 15:52:18 Hah Sep 02 15:53:23 quick install is already loaded it just wont let me connect to package feed Sep 02 15:53:55 Use palm-install Sep 02 15:53:57 SDK Sep 02 16:02:53 Thanks for your help!! Sep 02 16:54:49 what type of problems might i see if i tried to doctor my att phone with a sprint rom? Sep 02 18:56:45 an someone tell me how to unbind musb_hdrc? Sep 02 22:33:00 Mousey, did you sign up for early access to the palm sdk? Sep 02 22:34:13 no Q_Q Sep 02 22:40:15 r0d3nt! Sep 02 22:41:24 anyone know if there's a vnc serveravailable that runs on webOS? Sep 02 22:41:59 hi steve Sep 02 23:47:00 sconix: I'm having some trouble with your patch. I don't think it likes that I meta-doctored. I get error at firstuse.appinfo.json Sep 02 23:47:57 ah yes thats true, did not think of that Sep 02 23:48:08 you could always just restore that file so then patch would install just fine Sep 02 23:49:47 how do I restore? set visible to false? Sep 02 23:49:53 yes Sep 02 23:53:38 do I need to restart luna before trying again? It doesn't seem t take it. Sep 02 23:54:33 what do you mean not take it? Sep 02 23:54:41 no luna restart should be necessary Sep 02 23:57:27 I edited the file to change visible to false and it's still rejecting at the firstuse/appinfo.json Sep 02 23:57:48 at least by looking at the meta-doctor patch that is all that it edits Sep 02 23:58:18 hello does someone have the time to help me get the prevent log uploads patch on? I have it downloaded to my phone but can't remember where to send it to Sep 03 00:00:44 nm I figured it out :) Sep 03 00:03:29 well I agree that shouldn't need a restart but giving it a try. Sep 03 00:03:56 double checked the file via internals and changes were made. Sep 03 00:04:09 Kyumobile: did you keep the spacing exactly correct? Sep 03 00:04:44 alternatively, use webos repair tool to restore that file Sep 03 00:04:49 rwhitby: spacing? I didn't add any spaces or anything Sep 03 00:05:14 maybe internalz added an empty line to the end Sep 03 00:05:29 oh, you used internalz to edit it? all bets are off then. Sep 03 00:05:38 it's probably got DOS line endings now Sep 03 00:05:46 something like that I would guess Sep 03 00:05:48 ahhhh Sep 03 00:06:02 so just overwriting the file with original (repair tool) is the easiest Sep 03 00:06:03 ok will load up repair tool Sep 03 00:06:10 right Sep 03 00:06:35 It's a pity that Jason makes such convenient tools, but always misses getting the functionality 100% correct. Sep 03 00:06:51 DOS line endings? seriously? Sep 03 00:07:00 I blame the closed development process and lack of open beta testing. Sep 03 00:07:11 clearly Sep 03 00:07:15 Cause I know that he has the skills to get it 100% right. Sep 03 00:07:35 yep Sep 03 00:07:52 at least listening to users is always a good start and fixing those problems Sep 03 00:08:19 I noticed this when one user incisted that my advanced launcher patch had unsmooth QL hide comparet to smooth one in my old hide ql patch Sep 03 00:08:30 I arqued that it can't be but it actually was :) Sep 03 00:08:44 is the repair tool the one by Jason? Sep 03 00:09:19 or is there a different one by webos-internals Sep 03 00:09:39 No. We use scp rather than a java tool. Sep 03 00:09:47 java is evil :) Sep 03 00:11:06 can't find the thread or in the wiki Sep 03 00:11:29 hmmm Sep 03 00:13:55 well I am of to bed since its 03:15 here and I think I should visit work tomorrow Sep 03 00:14:03 hopefully you get it fixed Sep 03 00:14:15 and the patch installed Sep 03 00:14:35 anyone know if there is a feature in preware to show new apps and patches? Sep 03 00:14:38 Me too soon as I find this scp based repair tool Sep 03 00:15:17 there is no tool Sep 03 00:15:39 well linux command or winSCP I suppose Sep 03 00:15:51 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/236486-webos-repair-utility-v2-1-a.html I guess he was referring to this Sep 03 00:16:30 Yeah I asked about that and he said no Sep 03 00:16:45 who said no? Sep 03 00:18:07 aw crap tried copying and now wirc is stuck with copy menu and shaded screen Sep 03 00:18:55 just gonna try Jason's repair utility Sep 03 00:19:25 it'll do the job Sep 03 00:23:15 copying? wirc? Sep 03 00:29:09 is rwhitby arround? Sep 03 00:32:00 sconix: replacing it with repair utility worked. Thanks, guess should note not to use internalz when editing the file to other meta-doctor ppl. Sep 03 00:33:35 can anyone help me with libtool version mismatch when trying to setup WIDK Sep 03 00:34:39 I don't recommend manually modifying any file on the rootfs Sep 03 00:34:47 manually Sep 03 00:35:28 * rwhitby agrees Sep 03 00:36:13 not even in vi? Sep 03 00:39:34 what's the easiest way to get Make installed? Sep 03 00:42:40 make install? Sep 03 00:42:47 sorry couldnt resist Sep 03 01:10:41 anyone know about lowlevel usb access on the palm pre? Sep 03 01:12:08 what type of usb access ? Sep 03 01:17:01 musb_hdrc Sep 03 01:17:07 specifically unbinding that Sep 03 01:18:18 ah yeah, no idea about that .. sorry Sep 03 01:19:20 bpadalino : any idea who would? Sep 03 01:19:45 one of the real palm guys? Sep 03 01:19:54 i don't know anyone who really investigated usb that much Sep 03 01:19:56 b3ll: what's your end goal? Sep 03 01:20:14 rwhitby: running psgroove Sep 03 01:20:47 with gadgetfs? Sep 03 01:20:47 oh, you want to emulate that ps3 dealie .. interesting Sep 03 01:20:54 it's an OMAP device, and I have most of the code working Sep 03 01:21:01 tmzt_ is that what I should be looking at? Sep 03 01:21:10 palm uses it, it's pretty simple Sep 03 01:21:13 just libusb in reverse Sep 03 01:21:17 all from userspace Sep 03 01:21:41 are they getting anywhere with native (non hv maybe) linux? Sep 03 01:22:04 nothing yet Sep 03 01:22:19 only way i've gotten this far is because @marcan42 is working on an OMAP3 port Sep 03 01:22:35 as a kernel driver? Sep 03 01:22:43 b3ll: yeah, you'll want to use gadgetfs Sep 03 01:22:47 I don't know how these work Sep 03 01:22:59 but if you need composite you might need a kernel driver or something else Sep 03 01:23:22 rwhitby: how would it differ from echo musb_hdrc.0 > unbind Sep 03 01:23:49 ae they discussing this stuff in public anywhere? #ps3dev on here is empty Sep 03 01:24:14 nope Sep 03 01:24:24 literally I'm the only one attempting Sep 03 01:24:41 somebody is ttrying to do it on n900 Sep 03 01:24:43 @marcan42 gave me the code so i'm messing with it Sep 03 01:24:49 same code-ish Sep 03 01:24:49 it was on planet gnome/ubuntu I think Sep 03 01:26:28 yea that one has kernel issues Sep 03 01:26:39 a daemon or something screwing with the usb Sep 03 01:35:12 got it unbound! lets see if this works :) Sep 03 01:42:18 b3ll: how did you do it Sep 03 01:42:29 a lot easier than i thought Sep 03 01:42:35 instead of echo Sep 03 01:42:47 echo -n "symlink" > unbind Sep 03 01:42:54 now testing code to see if it works Sep 03 01:51:24 :hmm, webos seems to not have /etc/rc.local. so is there another place to add user scripts/programs at boot? Sep 03 01:51:41 /at/for/ Sep 03 01:55:02 in /etc/event.d/ Sep 03 01:57:51 rwhitby: thanks. Sep 03 01:58:14 if I wanted to add some iptables rules to that, would they still need the sudo/would it ask for passwords etc? Sep 03 02:00:26 no **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010