**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010
Sep 03 03:49:50 <en0x> heh
Sep 03 03:49:52 <en0x> very nice
Sep 03 03:50:00 <en0x> palm has shut down early access
Sep 03 03:51:30 <bpadalino> sshhh, stop the leaks
Sep 03 04:00:57 <en0x> lol
Sep 03 04:01:06 <en0x> why u telling me that?
Sep 03 04:01:23 <en0x> i havent even applied for EA in first place :P
Sep 03 04:04:21 <bpadalino> it was a joke .. saying palm shut down early access being a "leak" ..
Sep 03 04:06:08 <SineOt> if any company should let some stuff leak, I'm thinking that it's Palm ;p
Sep 03 04:06:17 <SineOt> not much builds up interest like some well timed, well placed leaks
Sep 03 04:07:58 <bpadalino> the problem are features which don't make the cut and aren't released .. or suck terribly during the time of the leak
Sep 03 04:08:12 <bpadalino> those are not good for anyone
Sep 03 04:08:55 <SineOt> I'd wager at this point that a virtual keyboard probably isn't something that would disappear prior to release if they're building it, and since it doesn't work at all, it can't really suck at the time of the leak either
Sep 03 04:09:35 <SineOt> ;p
Sep 03 04:09:49 <bpadalino> nobody likes their thunder stolen
Sep 03 04:10:24 <SineOt> they should worry about their lightning getting stolen, the thunder just draws people's attention
Sep 03 04:11:19 <VincentLaw> the thing is, this leak could have been /anything/
Sep 03 04:11:29 <VincentLaw> it could have been a whole beta of osmething
Sep 03 04:11:52 <VincentLaw> once you betray that trust, it's real hard to get back to that point again. one person has truly ruined it for the many
Sep 03 04:12:22 <bpadalino> i guess the overall theme is that palm marketing handles what gets released when .. it isn't up to some rogue developers to make it known because they think they're above some NDAs
Sep 03 04:12:53 <VincentLaw> I still think it's possible P|C leaked this themselves
Sep 03 04:13:19 <VincentLaw> I'm actually curious if they'll devulge who tipped them off to Palm.
Sep 03 04:13:19 <bpadalino> and that's fine - if they signed NDA's and decided to post it, they should feel the heat
Sep 03 04:13:27 <bpadalino> i doubt it
Sep 03 04:13:30 <SineOt> I know that it could have been anything, but given that what it was was two lines in a .conf file and from the sound of it, everything else relating to the Virtual Keyboard had been stripped out, it's just like, you know :T
Sep 03 04:13:50 <SineOt> yeah, if the tons upon tons of Apple leaks in the past have been any indication then it's probably never going to come out
Sep 03 04:14:00 <SineOt> (Think Secret and Jason Chen being the two exceptions to the rule)
Sep 03 04:14:13 <VincentLaw> bpadalino: well it falls under the whole journalist privacy protection thing (like doctor/patient privilege). Is precentral's writers considered journalists?
Sep 03 04:14:20 <VincentLaw> if no, Palm could go after them to get the information
Sep 03 04:14:38 <VincentLaw> web blogs have not had a great track record of being journalists thus far
Sep 03 04:14:40 <VincentLaw> but anyway
Sep 03 04:14:50 <bpadalino> privacy of your source doesn't apply when they are blatantly breaking the law for no higher purpose, is there ?
Sep 03 04:15:05 <SineOt> if Palm goes after them to get info on who leaked two lines of a conf file would be a really bad use of resources
Sep 03 04:15:09 <VincentLaw> bpadalino: that's only assuming Derek Kessler is in the NDA
Sep 03 04:15:25 <bpadalino> i'm not a lawyer
Sep 03 04:15:41 <bpadalino> i just know that if i leak secret information, the government doesn't care .. and i am going to jail for a long time
Sep 03 04:15:45 <VincentLaw> it's not an NDA if you never signed an NDA :P
Sep 03 04:15:45 <SineOt> Apple vs Does
Sep 03 04:15:58 <SineOt> it'd be an uphill battle
Sep 03 04:16:12 <VincentLaw> bpadalino: that's a different kind of information.
Sep 03 04:16:36 <VincentLaw> there's also stuff about trade secrets but I don't know crap about that and I doubt it applies here
Sep 03 04:16:55 <VincentLaw> I actually do hope Palm goes after this guy
Sep 03 04:17:03 <VincentLaw> and I mean hardcore
Sep 03 04:17:09 <SineOt> Apple vs Does was Apple suing Think Secret over an NDA leak that outed what was at the time known as Asteroid, a Firewire break out box for Garageband
Sep 03 04:17:24 <SineOt> And they weren't able to get the courts to order the release of the sources
Sep 03 04:18:00 <SineOt> if Apple, a company sitting on I think ~22 billion dollars in liquid, debt free assets at the time can't do it, Palm and HP probably couldn't either
Sep 03 04:18:26 <SineOt> Not to mention what leaked was -two lines of config files- and not a full, almost ready to release to manufacturing device like the Asteroid leak was
Sep 03 04:19:10 <VincentLaw> according to wikipedia the reason sources weren't released was in return of Think Secret shutting down in a confidential settlement
Sep 03 04:19:17 <SineOt> Apple has since learned to just shut up and let most everything fly because they know that to react removes all doubt as to the validity of leaks and does more harm in releasing secrets and announcing unannounced products than just being quiet
Sep 03 04:19:29 <bpadalino> SineOt: depends if derek signed the NDA .. the think secret guy had nothing to do with apple
Sep 03 04:19:45 <bpadalino> but if derek signed it and was in the early access program himself
Sep 03 04:19:57 <SineOt> I'm assuming that the "anon tipster" is outside of Precentral
Sep 03 04:20:11 <VincentLaw> SineOt: but Derek wrote the article. thus, irrelevant who tipped him
Sep 03 04:20:15 <SineOt> if not then that's just a really stupid move on so many levels
Sep 03 04:20:30 <VincentLaw> if he was under the NDA, it's still his responsibility to uphold it even if someone else broke it :P
Sep 03 04:20:45 <VincentLaw> I imagine he's not though, I don't think the P|C writers are /that/ dumb.
Sep 03 04:21:04 <VincentLaw> it'd be the same as posting "Palm, please sue me"
Sep 03 04:21:56 <SineOt> VincentLaw: and yeah, they weren't released but the court's final ruling on the case basically said even if it had kept going, they wouldn't have forced the release of sources anyways
Sep 03 04:22:51 <SineOt> the confidential settlement was basically just "Think Secret can't have an email asking for NDA information" like they originally had (which was a really dumb move on his part, to be honest, since that can be taken as direct solicitation for trade secrets which is a bad no no)
Sep 03 04:23:50 <VincentLaw> in any case
Sep 03 04:24:02 <VincentLaw> I think it'd be amusing if P|C did release the anon who did it
Sep 03 04:24:03 <bpadalino> if derek signed no NDA with palm, then it's just like the think secret case .. if derek ever did, it's a whole different situation
Sep 03 04:24:33 <VincentLaw> cause if P|C does say who, then they're never going to get another anon tip
Sep 03 04:24:56 <SineOt> I just think it'd be dumb to use legal resources to find the source of a leak of two lines of configuration code that will no doubt spur a lot of discussion (and discussion = interest) about what Palm has cooking behind the scenes as it brews through the internet
Sep 03 04:25:18 <rwhitby> Please move discussion of leaks to #webos
Sep 03 05:20:30 <swisstomcat> morning
Sep 03 06:41:23 <bsiegel_cchat> # Appears as HUGH
Sep 03 06:42:27 <bsiegel_cchat> (#G48:E<84RM1) Oh hi everyone :)
Sep 03 06:42:34 <Gu1l7y_work> Herrow!
Sep 03 06:42:52 <Gu1l7y_work> Bugsy lol
Sep 03 06:43:03 <bsiegel_cchat> (#G52:E428RM1) Man did I ever miss Microsoft Comic Chat. Best IRC client... EVAR
Sep 03 06:43:09 <SineOt> member:anubisfur (~bsiegel_c@fur-64A50940.neo.res.rr.com) left the chat room. (Client exited)
Sep 03 06:43:10 <SineOt> What in the world are you even doing
Sep 03 06:43:37 <bsiegel_cchat> (#G610E610M1) SineOt: You are a black woman. Just FYI.
Sep 03 06:43:52 <SineOt> Good, it gives me free reign to be sassy.
Sep 03 06:44:05 * rwhitby points to #webos-watercooler
Sep 03 06:44:45 <bsiegel_cchat> (#G810E810M3) fascinating
Sep 03 06:44:50 <bsiegel> It's amazing how accurately it chooses avatars for people
Sep 03 06:52:25 <bsiegel> The results: http://bsiegel.posterous.com/comic-chat-lives-again
Sep 03 06:52:45 <bsiegel> panel #5 is the best
Sep 03 06:55:18 <egaudet> lol bsiegel that's awesome
Sep 03 06:57:14 <swisstomcat> haha
Sep 03 06:57:19 <swisstomcat> where did you find that?
Sep 03 06:59:58 <bsiegel> It's an ancient IRC client that came with Windows 95. Probably best known for being the reason we all now have to suffer with Comic Sans
Sep 03 07:16:55 <oil> suffer?
Sep 03 07:17:39 <SineOt> comic sans is pretty blasé and misused all the time so, yeah, suffer sounds good
Sep 03 07:19:49 <oil> lol
Sep 03 07:35:58 <geist> comic chat is the shit
Sep 03 07:36:03 <geist> and it runs well under wine
Sep 03 11:33:42 <xxbones21xx> is it possible to ICS your connection from palm pre?
Sep 03 11:35:38 <swisstomcat> hmm
Sep 03 11:35:45 <swisstomcat> share how?
Sep 03 11:35:52 <xxbones21xx> wireless to lan
Sep 03 11:35:57 <xxbones21xx> using ICS
Sep 03 11:36:13 <swisstomcat> the phone can share it's connection through bluetooth/usb/wireless
Sep 03 11:36:59 <xxbones21xx> right but if i have the phone connected to a pc and i want to share(ICS) from lan connection, is it possible?
Sep 03 11:38:45 <jettero> yes
Sep 03 11:38:49 <jettero> dhclient usb0
Sep 03 11:38:52 <jettero> bam
Sep 03 11:39:18 <xxbones21xx> whats dhclient usb0?
Sep 03 11:40:40 <xxbones21xx> r u saying that if i hook phone up and usb tether, i can share the connection that way?
Sep 03 11:48:28 <xxbones21xx> jettero: whats is dhclient usb0?
Sep 03 12:25:50 <jettero> seems he left... I'm not sure I could have given him an answer he could really use anyway
Sep 03 15:00:49 * uNiXpSyChO is driving to the Cape to enjoy what's left of the hurricane coming to MA
Sep 03 15:01:01 <en0x> cape sucks :p
Sep 03 15:01:47 <uNiXpSyChO> i agree...  but Earl isnt coming inland so i have to enjoy it somehow.  ;P
Sep 03 15:02:22 <en0x> true record it and show me when u get to boston
Sep 03 15:02:23 <en0x> :p
Sep 03 15:14:13 <Robi_> hmm
Sep 03 15:14:27 <Robi_> when i get texts the sound is all distorted
Sep 03 15:18:50 <Robi_> it's like the sound daemon hasn't fully woken up and stutters
Sep 03 16:29:04 <b3ll> hey does anyone have a pre handy with them mind testing something for me?
Sep 03 16:30:35 <bpadalino> what do you need tested ?
Sep 03 16:31:23 <b3ll> just to see if your pre reboots after unbinding the usb
Sep 03 16:31:33 <b3ll> i need to figure out what causes the os to reboot
Sep 03 16:31:46 <b3ll> or to kill all processes related to usb
Sep 03 16:32:16 <bpadalino> ah ..
Sep 03 16:32:21 <bpadalino> hrmm ..
Sep 03 16:32:27 <b3ll> mind trying?
Sep 03 16:32:30 <bpadalino> you want to take over ALL usb functionality ?
Sep 03 16:32:34 <b3ll> yes
Sep 03 16:32:45 <b3ll> have nothing in the os touch usb
Sep 03 16:32:45 <bpadalino> so i guess novacom comms will die too
Sep 03 16:32:53 <b3ll> yup already killed that
Sep 03 16:34:23 <bpadalino> i don't have ssh installed .. i guess that would be the first thing i should do .. unless it's easy enough to do with terminal
Sep 03 16:35:06 <b3ll> yea it's a simple command
Sep 03 16:37:00 <bpadalino> whats the command ?
Sep 03 16:38:41 <b3ll> echo -n "/sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc/musb_hdrc.0" > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb_hdrc/unbind
Sep 03 16:38:48 <b3ll> do that then plug the usb into something
Sep 03 16:40:28 <bpadalino> alright, give me a second
Sep 03 16:40:45 <b3ll> thanks
Sep 03 16:43:48 <b3ll> nvm bpadalino
Sep 03 16:43:49 <b3ll> i got it :)
Sep 03 16:47:44 <bpadalino> oh whoops ..
Sep 03 16:47:53 <bpadalino> i just got it figured out
Sep 03 16:56:43 <bpadalino> did you get it all figured out ?
Sep 03 17:54:26 <b3ll> bpadalino yup thanks
Sep 03 18:45:56 <b3ll> are there any ways to run shell scripts from luna as root?
Sep 03 18:47:46 <xcomp_> rwhitby: whenever you're around ... someone at work pointed out to me that the preware wiki page says "To update Preware, simply use Preware."
Sep 03 18:48:04 <xcomp_> rwhitby: the person kept loading preware and was confused as to why it would not update to the latest version by itself
Sep 03 18:48:38 <xcomp_> rwhitby: might want to clarify that language a little bit :)
Sep 03 18:52:23 <egaudet> lol
Sep 03 18:53:28 <cryptk> xcomp_: it is a wiki, you can change it
Sep 03 18:59:08 <b3ll> how intelligent was this person that asked?
Sep 03 19:00:30 <xcomp_> the person is an engineer who works for TI. :)
Sep 03 19:01:42 <xcomp_> never edited the wiki ... do I need to have an account?
Sep 03 19:04:21 <b3ll> LOL
Sep 03 19:04:26 <b3ll> idk i don't go near it
Sep 03 19:15:22 <cryptk> xcomp_: yes, you get an account first, then while you are logged in you will have edit buttons that show up
Sep 03 19:15:34 <cryptk> it is the same software that wikipedia uses
Sep 03 19:16:26 <b3ll> cryptk what do you guys use for running commands as root in apps?
Sep 03 19:17:07 <cryptk> a custom service
Sep 03 19:17:28 <cryptk> most of our apps have their own service written in C that handles that sort of thing
Sep 03 19:17:46 <cryptk> like preware has an ipkg service, wirc has it's own service (plugin actually)
Sep 03 19:21:42 <b3ll> so I have to write my app in c?
Sep 03 19:21:52 <xcomp_> scurred? :)
Sep 03 19:22:07 <cryptk> b3ll: no, the gui gets written like any other app
Sep 03 19:22:18 <cryptk> but you can write a service/plugin in C that works with it
Sep 03 19:22:37 <b3ll> any chance of just running a shell script
Sep 03 19:23:05 <cryptk> not really, mojo doesn't have an API for that AFAIK
Sep 03 19:23:20 <b3ll> damnit :P
Sep 03 19:23:49 <b3ll> brb
Sep 03 19:39:56 <xcomp_> wiki updated ...
Sep 03 20:26:12 <Hippie> the preware doesnt work on my palm pre
Sep 03 20:26:15 <Hippie> anymore
Sep 03 20:27:16 <Hippie> Helloooo
Sep 03 20:27:19 <Hippie> ??
Sep 03 20:27:36 <Hippie> hello
Sep 03 20:27:38 <Hippie> ??
Sep 03 20:28:23 <Hippie> preware is not working
Sep 03 20:32:28 <swisstomcat> what doesn't work with preware?
Sep 03 20:34:36 <b3ll> rwhitby : pm me when you're here please
Sep 03 20:35:14 <Hippie> uhhm
Sep 03 20:35:28 <Hippie> when I launch it
Sep 03 20:35:42 <Hippie> it tells me its undefined
Sep 03 20:36:49 <Hippie> hello
Sep 03 20:36:55 <Hippie> anyone here??
Sep 03 20:37:05 <b3ll> hippie chill
Sep 03 20:37:13 <xcomp_> there are people here, you don't have to jump up and down
Sep 03 20:37:14 <b3ll> how'd you install it?
Sep 03 20:37:33 <Hippie> i did it from my computer
Sep 03 20:37:44 <b3ll> ...
Sep 03 20:38:09 <Hippie> uhhm what??
Sep 03 20:38:13 <b3ll> more specifics please?
Sep 03 20:38:27 <Hippie> prewareinstaller
Sep 03 20:38:39 <Hippie> i did it a while ago
Sep 03 20:38:43 <Hippie> i forgot
Sep 03 20:39:08 <b3ll> use webosquickinstaller or re-install it
Sep 03 20:39:22 <Hippie> okay ill try
Sep 03 20:39:29 <b3ll> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Sep 03 20:40:35 <xcomp_> arg, I've really got to stop biting myself. third time today.
Sep 03 20:40:43 <Hippie> yeah I used this guide a while ago
Sep 03 20:40:50 <Hippie> hold on brb
Sep 03 20:41:27 <xcomp_> precentral _really_ pissed off a lot of people last night didn't they
Sep 03 20:41:33 <b3ll> yes
Sep 03 20:41:36 <b3ll> very aggravating
Sep 03 20:47:05 <Hippie> back
Sep 03 20:47:27 <xcomp_> i just randomly logged on to twitter and I saw expletives everywhere
Sep 03 20:47:33 <xcomp_> i was like oh crap what happened
Sep 03 20:47:35 <Hippie> TypeError: Cannot read property 'Length' of undefined
Sep 03 20:48:15 <xcomp_> rahul sounded rather pissed off too
Sep 03 20:49:05 <xcomp_> Hippie: did you try to reinstall?
Sep 03 20:51:14 <Mercury> xcomp_: What did they do?
Sep 03 20:51:31 <Hippie> yeah  idid
Sep 03 20:51:41 <xcomp_> Mercury: leaked info about webos 2.0
Sep 03 20:51:56 <Mercury> xcomp_: Why is that a bad thing?  Link? :)
Sep 03 20:52:00 <xcomp_> Mercury: now Palm is pissed off and has suspended early access
Sep 03 20:52:05 <Mercury> Ouch.
Sep 03 20:52:46 <xcomp_> Mercury: everyone who got the SDK was bound by an NDA
Sep 03 20:52:51 * Mercury nods.
Sep 03 20:52:59 <Hippie> yeah like whats goin on with this preware not working?
Sep 03 20:52:59 <Mercury> Is the page still up?
Sep 03 20:53:31 <Mercury> Ah, I see.
Sep 03 20:53:50 <Hippie> bell: i  reinstalled it and restarted y pre... its not working
Sep 03 20:54:03 <Hippie> my*
Sep 03 20:54:54 <xcomp_> Hippie: that's strange. I know nothing of preware internals, so I'll say try uninstalling it first and then install afresh, and if that doesn't work, you might need rwhitby's help or something
Sep 03 20:55:35 <Hippie> yyeah this is my third reinstall and it hasnt done anything for me
Sep 03 21:01:40 <Hippie> so what am i gonna do??
Sep 03 21:05:24 <xcomp_> do you have terminal or some other way to access the linux command line on your phone?
Sep 03 21:05:48 <b3ll> Mercury you're not getting the sdk lol
Sep 03 21:06:05 <b3ll> and yes the page is still up
Sep 03 21:07:49 <xcomp_> Hippie: you can try installing using hte command line ... otherwise I'd probably try to get rwhitby's attention or post your question in the forums
Sep 03 21:08:05 <Hippie> how do you do that??
Sep 03 21:08:48 <xcomp_> it's there on the wiki as well
Sep 03 21:09:42 <Hippie> okay
Sep 03 21:23:06 <Hippie> nothing works :(
Sep 03 21:23:16 <Hippie> i miss it
Sep 03 21:28:00 <sh4de> hi
Sep 03 21:29:29 <sh4de> just like to know, why "screenstate" decreases my cpu back to 500 mhz, even i chose 800/500? :)
Sep 03 21:49:25 <Hippie> yeah it works!!
Sep 03 21:49:33 <Hippie> nooo t doesnt
Sep 03 21:49:35 <Hippie> :(
Sep 03 22:18:18 <Mercury> b3ll: I don't have an app in the appstore, so, no, I'm not.
Sep 03 22:38:09 <Hippie> hello
Sep 03 23:04:27 <Ted__> Hello!
Sep 03 23:06:09 <Ted__> ...hello?
Sep 03 23:08:59 <egaudet> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1vH2rjUshk
Sep 03 23:43:50 <Ted__> Hey there.
Sep 03 23:46:13 <chrisA> If you have a question just ask it. Saying hello every X minutes is peculiar
Sep 03 23:46:57 <bpadalino> how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood ?
Sep 03 23:47:06 <halfhalo>  3
Sep 03 23:47:10 <chrisA> About a woodchuck's worth of wood
Sep 03 23:47:23 <halfhalo> no, just 3
Sep 03 23:47:51 <bpadalino> asked and answered .. i wonder if people will get the idea then
Sep 03 23:48:09 <halfhalo> Doubt it
Sep 03 23:48:32 <bpadalino> aw :(
Sep 03 23:48:33 <Ted__> I'm sorry, I'm rather new to this. I thought saying hello was polite. Many apologies.
Sep 03 23:48:49 <bpadalino> how is your day, Ted__?
Sep 03 23:49:16 <b3ll> chrisA!!
Sep 03 23:49:20 <b3ll> WHATSUP?
Sep 03 23:49:26 <Ted__> Anyway, I was on here yesterday, however. And I was having problems with Preware installing a virtual Keyboard and with WebOSQuckInstall.
Sep 03 23:49:41 <chrisA> hi
Sep 03 23:49:52 <b3ll> Ted__ virtual keyboard is useless atm without an updated uiinput
Sep 03 23:49:53 <Loudergood> I answered my own question before I asked it, but I think I'll hang around anyway since I always have chatzilla open.
Sep 03 23:50:02 <b3ll> chirsA : haha just messin with you
Sep 03 23:50:16 <egaudet> I wouldn't say useless
Sep 03 23:50:28 <halfhalo> lol
Sep 03 23:50:30 <Ted__> Well, I was going to get to the point where the guys here helped me get it working! :D
Sep 03 23:50:38 <egaudet> and uinput should work
Sep 03 23:50:52 <b3ll> egaudet: it's been updated?
Sep 03 23:51:04 <egaudet> updated for what?
Sep 03 23:51:17 <Ted__> But I'm having an issue with WebOSQuickInstaller. Could anyone help me?
Sep 03 23:51:19 <b3ll> last time i used it spaces and backspaces didn't work
Sep 03 23:51:53 <Ted__> When I press the blue arrow (the "Feed" button, I beleive) it doesn't respond at all.
Sep 03 23:52:23 <egaudet> QI is not developed by us
Sep 03 23:52:37 <egaudet> you'd have to ask the developer (Jason) about issues with it
Sep 03 23:53:06 <Ted__> I was hoping you guys could help with it, just from your own experiences. Many apologies, once again.
Sep 03 23:53:16 <egaudet> b3ll, oh the keyboss has been updated a few times
Sep 03 23:53:28 <egaudet> no need to apologize
Sep 03 23:53:38 <Ted__> How about this queston: can I install themes through Preware?
Sep 03 23:53:40 <egaudet> I don't use QI
Sep 03 23:53:46 <b3ll> Ted__ sure you can
Sep 03 23:53:49 <b3ll> change the feeds
Sep 03 23:53:49 * halfhalo doesn't use computers
Sep 03 23:53:59 * b3ll doesn't use his brain
Sep 03 23:54:02 <Ted__> I can!?
Sep 03 23:54:08 <b3ll> yarly
Sep 03 23:54:11 <Ted__> Then I guess I don't even need QuickInstall then xD
Sep 03 23:55:59 <b3ll> brb
Sep 04 00:13:40 * jhojho looks around for a palm employee
Sep 04 00:13:51 <jhojho> any idea what /scan_off_time_no_det is for?
Sep 04 00:26:36 <chrisA> I can't say much, but this DocsToGo post is hilarious
Sep 04 00:28:05 <jhojho> in other news, aliens exist =D
Sep 04 00:36:35 <bpadalino> chrisA: yeah couldn't you guys over at palm help out those docstogo people more? they were so helpless without you
Sep 04 00:51:50 <jhojho> 2010-09-04T00:30:52.405758Z [86] palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.app.clock: Error: launching for update, palmInitFramework345:2520
Sep 04 00:51:57 <jhojho> way too much of this =|
Sep 04 00:53:16 <bpadalino> the clock is just wrong so much
Sep 04 00:59:19 <jhojho> I wonder how Palm is going to handle Gmail's Priority Inbox.
Sep 04 00:59:49 <bpadalino> it would be nice if email received threading
Sep 04 00:59:58 * dtzWill reallly wants priority inbox on his phone
Sep 04 01:00:00 <jhojho> If things get sent to the Important folder, ideally it should still be picked up as part of inbox (and maybe marked differently)
Sep 04 01:00:25 <jhojho> I want a way to be able to color unread emails a different background
Sep 04 01:00:46 <jhojho> when you get non-english emails, the font makes it very hard to distinguish between read and unread
Sep 04 01:08:35 <chrisA> Depends on whether gmail's priority system works via imap or whatever external interface is used
Sep 04 01:08:49 <chrisA> Android has a standalone app just for gmail for some odd and awful reason
Sep 04 01:10:52 <jhojho> chrisA: it sounds like it's done on the backend and things are tagged/shoved into the Important folder via some magic algo
Sep 04 01:11:22 <bpadalino> Important
Sep 04 01:11:23 <chrisA> Can't people just subscribe to the Important folder via imap then?
Sep 04 01:11:28 <chrisA> Or is it a virtual folder
Sep 04 01:11:55 <jhojho> its possible. but afaik, notifications only pop up for emails coming into the Inbox
Sep 04 01:12:29 <chrisA> That would be a largely trivial change I imagine
Sep 04 01:12:51 <en0x> heh priorty inbox hmmm i would rather have threaded email in webos
Sep 04 01:13:17 <chrisA> Every email client has forward and back buttons (webos included) and I never guess right which direction I want to go in
Sep 04 01:13:52 <jhojho> chrisA: you should use the swipe for forward/reverse patch
Sep 04 01:13:59 <jhojho> available in preware =D
Sep 04 01:14:09 <jhojho> its quite nice
Sep 04 01:14:15 <chrisA> I don't use patches because I am pretty much never using a version that is safely patchable via preware
Sep 04 01:14:29 <chrisA> Though my pixi is 1.4.5 come to think of it
Sep 04 01:14:40 <bpadalino> do it!
Sep 04 01:15:18 <chrisA> Sec, going to change my device string to Pixi HD to fuck with 4sq's metrics
Sep 04 01:15:24 <bpadalino> good call
Sep 04 01:15:25 <jhojho> lol
Sep 04 01:22:21 <halfhalo> oh, oh, oh.. change it to DROP TABLE;
Sep 04 01:22:40 <bpadalino> oh little johnny tables
Sep 04 01:22:40 <jhojho> lol
Sep 04 01:22:46 <halfhalo> :p
Sep 04 01:23:01 <bpadalino> http://xkcd.com/327/ - reference for anyone who didn't know
Sep 04 02:05:57 <Robi_> bpadalino: ooh ouch ;]
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