**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010 Sep 04 03:46:45 CAN SOMEONE HELP ME, MY WEBOS QUICK INSTILL IS NOT LOADING UP Sep 04 03:47:20 JASON MAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT Sep 04 03:47:47 HAI GAIS WHATS UP! Sep 04 03:48:03 JONS WEBOS QUICK INSTILL IS NOT LOADING UP Sep 04 03:48:08 JASON CAN PROBABLY HEAR THIS CONVERSATION, IT'S SO LOUD Sep 04 03:48:51 HELP ME PLZ Sep 04 03:49:21 THATS UNFORTUNATE ABOUT QUICK INSTALL, BUT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AND LESS CAPS Sep 04 03:49:29 JON, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING? Sep 04 03:49:52 JON, DO YOU USE THE TWITTER? YOU MAY BE ABLE TO TWEET SOME HELP FROM JASON Sep 04 03:50:25 NO SORRY IM NOT ON TWITTER Sep 04 03:50:40 OH NOES :( Sep 04 03:51:20 JON, MAYBE TRY http://canuck-software.ca/ ? Sep 04 03:51:24 jon_: every possible WebOS Quick Install problem is solved in this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-14-a.html Sep 04 03:51:45 rwhitby has a better suggestion than mine Sep 04 03:52:05 and a better suggestion than what I was going to say! Sep 04 03:52:50 what were you going to say halfhalo? Sep 04 03:52:58 I HAVE THE LATEST WEBOS QUICK INSTALL Sep 04 03:53:22 jon_: the key above Shift on the left hand side of your keyboard seems to be stuck Sep 04 03:53:32 It involved a knife, a screwdriver, and the removal of the caps lock, shift, and z keys Sep 04 03:54:11 LOL OK Sep 04 03:54:18 thats better Sep 04 03:54:26 yes, yes it is Sep 04 03:54:35 lol you guys are wild Sep 04 03:54:47 yes, we rock. Sep 04 03:54:52 its the linux. Sep 04 03:55:00 nawww webos rocks Sep 04 03:55:08 Linux makes anyone wild after you deal with it enough Sep 04 03:55:17 you start seeing sudo fly around everywhere and you dream in bash scripts Sep 04 03:55:20 It made me clinically insane! Sep 04 03:57:00 noobs Sep 04 03:57:18 thats what she said Sep 04 03:58:15 ok, i have the pre on vzw network. i was able to use quick install a few mins ago to install something. after my pre rebooted i wasnt able to use quick install. I need to get preware from the feed Sep 04 03:58:39 what is the error that quick install is telling you... Sep 04 03:59:03 im not getting any error msgs Sep 04 03:59:13 is it just not launching? Sep 04 03:59:27 * rwhitby bbl Sep 04 03:59:30 if I had to venture a guess Sep 04 03:59:36 make sure that Developer Mode is on? Sep 04 03:59:42 its on Sep 04 04:00:26 Do you use a modified ROM ? Sep 04 04:01:11 when i click the down arrow in quick install nothing happens Sep 04 04:01:25 restart your computer Sep 04 04:01:54 i tried that Sep 04 04:02:27 reinstall quick install THEN restart your computer THEN reinstall novacom drivers Sep 04 04:03:16 ok Sep 04 04:03:31 i will try that Sep 04 04:03:54 install SDK Sep 04 04:03:55 open terminal Sep 04 04:04:01 run palm-install Sep 04 04:04:43 any word on when vzw is going to launch the new pre Sep 04 04:05:04 sometime after the new pre launches :T Sep 04 04:09:16 by the way, i would like to say the 1mhz wow is blazing fast. Sep 04 04:09:26 lol Sep 04 04:09:34 indeed, my pre is stuck at 500hz Sep 04 04:14:27 20 bucks says he's back within 5 minutes Sep 04 04:28:05 you lost Sep 04 04:28:56 please paypal your webos internals $20 donation Sep 04 04:29:23 well damn. THAT was suprising Sep 04 04:29:34 luckily, I have no money to give! Sep 04 04:29:59 D: Sep 04 04:31:08 * halfhalo is a student Sep 04 04:31:21 student with a pre Sep 04 04:31:29 two pres Sep 04 04:31:35 and like 24 touchstones Sep 04 04:31:35 there you go Sep 04 04:31:37 sell one Sep 04 04:31:41 NEIN Sep 04 04:31:43 yeah Sep 04 04:31:52 for $20 and donate to -internals Sep 04 04:32:11 although I still haven't flashed the sprint pre to vzw with the new coms board Sep 04 04:32:55 how was your summer geist ? Sep 04 04:33:09 holy cow Sep 04 04:33:18 * halfhalo is brokked because he paid for ces hotel Sep 04 04:33:35 I asked work if they'd pay for blackhat next year Sep 04 04:33:38 just observed my pixi drawing -77mA via govnah Sep 04 04:33:40 They said no and looked perplexed Sep 04 04:33:47 -77mA!!! Sep 04 04:33:58 chrisA: that kinda sucks .. blackhat had some interesting talks this year Sep 04 04:34:03 i liked the malicious basestation Sep 04 04:34:05 yeah, shoulda gone Sep 04 04:34:09 had the time off Sep 04 04:34:09 My boss gave me a defcon 16 cd for no reason at all Sep 04 04:34:17 pricey tickets though, weren't they like 2 grand? Sep 04 04:34:24 yeah it's defcon for big boys Sep 04 04:34:29 geist: road trip next year, lets go Sep 04 04:34:31 last defcon i went to was 12 Sep 04 04:34:35 you should go to ces! Sep 04 04:34:36 no .. 11 Sep 04 04:34:41 woot Sep 04 04:34:49 i road tripped in 09 actually Sep 04 04:34:54 blackhat or defcon? Sep 04 04:34:54 it's about an 8 hour drive from the bay area Sep 04 04:34:57 ces Sep 04 04:35:01 that's a nice drive Sep 04 04:35:06 thats not bad Sep 04 04:35:09 6 from LA, not to bad Sep 04 04:35:19 I like the drive up to the bay area from here Sep 04 04:35:41 although when I went up to dav days I got caught in traffic the way up since I left here at 4 Sep 04 04:35:53 i just got back from another road trip to seattle Sep 04 04:36:03 Furthest I've done lately was tahoe Sep 04 04:36:03 this time on the way up i went via 101 instead of I5 the whole way Sep 04 04:36:07 geist: oh i didnt know you drove Sep 04 04:36:20 oh that reminds me, need to get seasons pass for heavenly Sep 04 04:36:24 I had debated going to eureka this weekend Sep 04 04:36:26 but passed Sep 04 04:36:28 geist, that's a nice drive .. 1 and 101 to seattle from sf is such an awesome drive Sep 04 04:36:29 oh right, when does that end? Sep 04 04:36:30 maybe next time Sep 04 04:36:31 took it last year Sep 04 04:36:37 If I had the time, I would do 1 the entire way up Sep 04 04:36:45 and are vit and the others in? Sep 04 04:36:56 used to camp with the family with big sir every yere Sep 04 04:36:59 year* Sep 04 04:37:01 i was just going to ping me about it Sep 04 04:37:06 sur not sir Sep 04 04:37:18 my typing has gone to hell Sep 04 04:37:20 I'd be game if other folk are in Sep 04 04:37:23 GET IT RIGHT Sep 04 04:37:28 lol Sep 04 04:37:32 watching top gear :p Sep 04 04:37:40 spelling and kids these days Sep 04 04:37:43 =D Sep 04 04:38:28 geist, what do you drive ? Sep 04 04:38:32 DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! Sep 04 04:38:52 seeing 17C on govnah makes me happy Sep 04 04:38:58 2004 WRX Sep 04 04:39:07 good for drivin up to tahoe Sep 04 04:39:07 oh that sounds like a fun drive up the coast then Sep 04 04:39:12 good for tahoe too Sep 04 04:39:16 you people with your sporty cars Sep 04 04:39:22 Doing the pixi thermistor driver was fun. I got a can of nitrogen from the EE folks and everything Sep 04 04:39:23 4wd FTW Sep 04 04:39:31 i agree being in the snow belt Sep 04 04:39:37 I dont like the wrx stick shift Sep 04 04:39:48 I have a 01 accord, I feel like a second class citizen Sep 04 04:39:49 it's a bit wonky. i dont have the short throw Sep 04 04:39:50 My car is _techically_ awd, but its a retarted toyota so its mostly 2wd Sep 04 04:39:54 my brother had one and it was way too notchy Sep 04 04:40:04 i drove a NSX the other day and it was totally weird after driving the subaru for so long Sep 04 04:40:13 no throw on the shifter and the clutch was way easier Sep 04 04:40:17 now my 91 maxima Sep 04 04:40:26 that was an awesome shifter Sep 04 04:40:30 Unfortunatly... I have only driven a manual twice.. Sep 04 04:40:33 * halfhalo is sad Sep 04 04:40:36 ferrari f40 (not so much) Sep 04 04:40:37 only way to drive Sep 04 04:40:42 I can't drive stick, woo Sep 04 04:40:48 i expected the nsx to be hard to drive, but the clutch was totally forgiving Sep 04 04:40:49 chrisA: have geist learn you up Sep 04 04:40:51 But I learned to drive during a blizzard, so screw you all Sep 04 04:40:51 strange Sep 04 04:41:06 I learned to drive on a 1995 volvo 850 Sep 04 04:41:08 since the wrx one is kind of a pain Sep 04 04:41:11 LOVED that car Sep 04 04:41:23 frankly, I don't really care about cars much Sep 04 04:41:29 heh, i learned to drive a stick on my WRX 5 years ago while living in san francisco Sep 04 04:41:33 that teaches you real quick Sep 04 04:41:33 My next one will likely be used again, but maybe shinier this time Sep 04 04:41:36 Now I drive a 03 v6 Highlander Sep 04 04:41:45 My accord is not so shiny Sep 04 04:41:51 All my cars are handydowns from my family Sep 04 04:42:01 BUT their free, so can't really complain Sep 04 04:42:04 i want an electric car Sep 04 04:42:08 chrisA: get a new car then :) Sep 04 04:42:10 alas, none are quite there yet Sep 04 04:42:17 someone on my street as a tesla Sep 04 04:42:19 tis nice Sep 04 04:42:27 electric car has only one gear :( Sep 04 04:42:35 yup Sep 04 04:42:46 because they failed at the two gear tranny Sep 04 04:42:57 yeah, see quite a bit of teslas around here Sep 04 04:43:09 well, it's kind of like my motorcycle vs a vespa Sep 04 04:43:11 bpadalino: My pragmatic side will never let me buy a new car as long as my car is in perfect working order and paid off Sep 04 04:43:21 I really like the paid off part Sep 04 04:43:22 totally different universes. the vespa is super easx to poke around in Sep 04 04:43:29 lotus has a electric car prototype Sep 04 04:43:32 evora 414 Sep 04 04:43:38 I will say one thing about driving up in the bay area. I love the right turn yield stuff. Really do Sep 04 04:43:47 a friend of mine recently purchased a 1973 VW Thing ... Sep 04 04:43:50 awesomely simple car Sep 04 04:44:01 I'm from ohio where uturns are completely illegal and roads barely ever have dividers Sep 04 04:44:02 nm it's a hybrid Sep 04 04:44:14 When I moved to the bay I was not sure how to get anywhere or ever turn left Sep 04 04:44:18 only good thing in ohio is sandusky Sep 04 04:44:25 yeah, u turn legal in CA is teh nice Sep 04 04:44:40 as is lane splitting, though i rarely do it Sep 04 04:44:51 lane splitting? Sep 04 04:45:00 Oh, I had someone from ohio (they work for techtarget who owns ajaxian along with technologyguide) and I pulled a U turn near LAX and he freaked out Sep 04 04:45:02 riding between cars on a motorcycle Sep 04 04:45:12 ah Sep 04 04:45:23 the law says two vehicles can share the same lane as long as it's not unduly dangerous Sep 04 04:45:32 Thats sorta kinda illegal but sorta not according to my uncle Sep 04 04:45:37 its legal in traffic only Sep 04 04:45:41 Is that due to all the fucked merges we have? Sep 04 04:45:44 sounds super scary to do lane splitting Sep 04 04:45:48 Like some of the central onramps Sep 04 04:45:49 it is. i rarely do it Sep 04 04:46:00 generally only if the traffic is at a dead stop Sep 04 04:46:02 it's like u verse someone encased in metal Sep 04 04:46:08 vs even Sep 04 04:46:15 at least we have no speed cameras like arizona Sep 04 04:46:16 metal wins. always. Sep 04 04:46:16 i can just imagine some dolt not paying attention and all of a sudden you're 6 feet in the air, and your bike is 20 feet behind you Sep 04 04:46:28 the logic behind it is if you have an air cooled bike, it'll overheat if you have to sit in traffic Sep 04 04:46:37 esp in socal Sep 04 04:46:41 yup Sep 04 04:46:43 but socal ftw Sep 04 04:46:50 jesse has a cruiser Sep 04 04:46:52 It is hilarious Sep 04 04:46:58 and having been the former owner of an air cooled bike i can attest having it get hotter and hotter is pretty alarming Sep 04 04:47:28 ok Sep 04 04:47:42 so I see openssh but uh, that allows me to ssh TO the device, what about sshing FROM the device? Sep 04 04:48:01 dropbox provides a client last I checked Sep 04 04:48:09 er dropbear Sep 04 04:48:41 so does ssh Sep 04 04:48:48 One thing I like about driving an suv: speedbumps Sep 04 04:48:50 dropbear features are a little lacking Sep 04 04:49:36 I originally was going to get a bunch of officially built OSS packages like SSH to distribute to rwhitby to do whatever with them Sep 04 04:49:41 But then a key person quit Sep 04 04:50:01 ouch Sep 04 04:50:03 ouch Sep 04 04:50:18 Maybe I could still do it. I should ask Ben Sep 04 04:50:26 Ben is a nice enough guy .. go for it Sep 04 04:50:26 you should Sep 04 04:50:53 oo Sep 04 04:50:56 that would be nice Sep 04 04:51:11 officially distributed preware would be nice too =) Sep 04 04:51:16 heh Sep 04 04:51:18 but im not expecting that =) Sep 04 04:51:19 lol Sep 04 04:52:34 dropbear?? will do ssh? Sep 04 04:52:48 only if you ask nicely Sep 04 04:52:54 dropbear is ssh Sep 04 04:52:58 what can I ask unicely? Sep 04 04:52:59 ;) Sep 04 04:53:08 then it melts your pre Sep 04 04:53:13 dropbear is the ssh option? Sep 04 04:53:40 dropbear is the ssh in optware if I recall correctly Sep 04 04:53:57 yah, it's the busybox of ssh implementations Sep 04 04:54:36 'busybox'? Sep 04 04:54:43 ... Sep 04 04:54:45 the busiest of boxes Sep 04 04:54:52 stripped down multifunction binary Sep 04 04:55:38 werd Sep 04 04:55:48 werd Sep 04 04:56:19 hmm Sep 04 04:56:32 what other cool ware is there Sep 04 04:56:46 visualboy Sep 04 04:56:48 frw Sep 04 04:56:50 ftw* Sep 04 04:56:53 almost time to drive REALLY slowly on the roads in this gated community to make REALLY loud noises from the tires to pick my brother up Sep 04 04:57:04 How do you people put up with emulators on a touchscreen device Sep 04 04:57:16 The only game I've played so far that I deem playable with touch controls is angry birds Sep 04 04:57:16 it's horrid Sep 04 04:57:17 with our fingers Sep 04 04:57:24 * halfhalo has a psp for that stuff Sep 04 04:57:37 angry birds is making me angry Sep 04 04:57:40 dsi lx ftw Sep 04 04:57:40 stuck at 5-8 Sep 04 04:57:40 learn2dexterity old man ;) Sep 04 04:57:56 dsi xl even Sep 04 04:57:56 oh, the 3ds is nice Sep 04 04:57:59 ShadeS: touchscreen dpads have nothing to do with dexterity. I've even worked on their drivers Sep 04 04:58:15 I'm just joshing you Sep 04 04:58:20 chrisA has skillz Sep 04 04:58:29 We had an interview candidate who was 30 minutes late the other day so a coworker and I were playing angry birds full volume in the reception area Sep 04 04:58:31 do not taunt chrisA Sep 04 04:58:31 unlike SOME people Sep 04 04:58:35 mad skillz? Sep 04 04:58:37 namely me Sep 04 04:58:38 I hope people appreciated the zany muzaks Sep 04 04:58:52 Sorry, touchpanels make me bitter. I hate them Sep 04 04:59:09 HP was probably all like 'aww yeah that's totally compliant with the handbook' Sep 04 04:59:25 'having fun with zany muzaks is strictly prohibited' Sep 04 04:59:26 * oil can't stand touchscreen dpads Sep 04 04:59:44 LOOK WHO FINALLY SHOWED UP Sep 04 04:59:47 Especially when you need to bitbang the flash mechanism on a device that has no i/d cache working yet and has variable timings since the clocks are all wonky Sep 04 04:59:50 * chrisA SMASH Sep 04 05:00:11 * halfhalo bbiab loud driving time Sep 04 05:00:46 how is drop bear different from openssh Sep 04 05:00:54 I downloaded that but I don't see anything.. Sep 04 05:00:55 i/d cache is for children Sep 04 05:01:25 back in your day I bet you implemented the caches uphill Sep 04 05:01:43 haha Sep 04 05:01:45 in our day cache cached you Sep 04 05:02:19 so I downloaded dropbear... Sep 04 05:02:23 device with no i/d cache working sounds pretty alpha Sep 04 05:02:23 but I don't see that either Sep 04 05:02:27 you'd always get written back to at inopportune times Sep 04 05:03:00 rude Sep 04 05:03:36 chrisA: you really see more variable timings without cache than with cache ? Sep 04 05:03:46 http://www.gifbin.com/bin/032010/1269259657_omg_cat.gif =D Sep 04 05:04:25 bpadalino: no, the lack of cache just made things ridiculously slow (I think our cpu freq was off too) Sep 04 05:04:27 yes. yes the cat has a mouth Sep 04 05:04:44 oh yeah, no cache will do that Sep 04 05:04:47 early board bringup can be fun. Ask geist about the chipset that shall not be named sometime Sep 04 05:04:53 less power too for no cache Sep 04 05:05:15 i'll wait until it can be named before asking any questions .. :) Sep 04 05:05:40 though i am sure it comes with lots of swearing, green wires and scope traces Sep 04 05:06:44 for me it's spurs, clock jitter and timing closure on fpga builds :( Sep 04 05:07:45 ok time to try a dunkelweizen Sep 04 05:07:49 enjoy Sep 04 05:08:49 actually using the hardware keys are the best :) Sep 04 05:10:18 hmm Sep 04 05:10:25 Not sure how much this reminds me of a hefeweizen Sep 04 05:11:58 how much does it remind you of a dunkelweizen ? Sep 04 05:15:58 so what exactly do I do with this dropbear? Sep 04 05:16:05 I don't see it in the program list Sep 04 05:17:21 night Sep 04 05:18:26 ;( Sep 04 05:18:50 Mmm, hefeweizen Sep 04 05:19:19 dropbear/ssh are terminal programs... Sep 04 05:20:31 mmm, hefe Sep 04 05:23:33 definitely prefer hefe over dunkel Sep 04 05:26:14 halfhalo: and how do I get the terminal to run on the actual device? Sep 04 05:26:51 dur Sep 04 05:26:55 there's a terminal program i have to install Sep 04 05:26:56 right Sep 04 05:55:49 how to install webos quick install on a Vista OS Sep 04 05:57:02 we don't do webos quick install...so we don't know Sep 04 06:05:48 it's easy Sep 04 06:05:53 read the thread? :I Sep 04 06:17:47 Isn't WebOS quick install a JAR and can be run directly ? Sep 04 06:19:22 yeah, it is :x Sep 04 06:33:58 Can anyone help about building i686 part of WIDK? Sep 04 06:35:19 The code of glib-2.0 contains ARM assemble code and cannot be built under i686 configuration Sep 04 07:11:33 -77mA on a Pixi? D: That's insane Sep 04 07:11:34 anyone have ps3? Sep 04 07:18:55 chris___ i do Sep 04 08:27:33 chrisA: FYI, these days we do openssh in Preware, cause it doesn't need a root password when using key auth only, and OTA updates always seem to overwrite /etc/passwd, so openssh with key auth persists better :) Sep 04 12:50:07 heyho Sep 04 12:51:07 anybody here who has a palm pixi and can do me a low level favour? Sep 04 13:31:37 hmm.. for some reason my phone audio no longer works (phone does not ring or play music) Sep 04 13:31:59 I think it was right after I installed openssh is there any correlation there? Sep 04 13:40:02 I see this in the log : connect error 'Connection refused' on fd Sep 04 15:16:01 any news of webos 1.4.5 hittint at&t? Sep 04 19:19:01 is there any way to hide the dashboard if any card is up? Sep 04 19:19:30 like a system wide fullscreen Sep 04 21:20:55 heya i can't get WOSQI to recognize my device when usbnet is enabled.. rawr Sep 04 21:22:13 any ideas? Sep 04 23:03:08 So, is it time to publicly release Preware 1.3.6 ? Sep 04 23:19:36 hmm Sep 04 23:19:45 the first use app is borked or something Sep 04 23:19:55 i'm entering correct email and password and it says that it's wrong Sep 04 23:20:04 i have even reset the password Sep 04 23:23:01 and it still says failed Sep 04 23:30:09 lol it did not work over wifi it worked over 3g Sep 05 02:41:29 Preware 1.3.6 and Lumberjack 0.3.0 are released Sep 05 02:41:37 woo! Sep 05 02:42:18 i need to figure out why my phone gets slow after apps run for a while Sep 05 02:42:32 mem leakage somewhere Sep 05 02:47:16 any app i leave open for a while, leads to the condition **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:57 2010