**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 17 02:59:57 2010 Sep 17 05:16:27 Is anyone aware of a patch that allows you to change which device is presented in mass storage mode? Sep 17 05:18:52 what? Sep 17 05:19:14 Error454 What do you mean Sep 17 05:19:31 Instead of presenting /media/internal present /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs for instance Sep 17 05:19:47 there is not one i am aware of Sep 17 05:19:57 rwhitby, any insite? Sep 17 05:20:07 rwhitby * Sep 17 05:20:15 I looked around but thought I might be a poor searcher. Sep 17 05:20:25 lol, my keyboard hates me Sep 17 05:21:16 I'm actually not even sure what piece of WebOS inserts the storage driver, I believe the piece may be closed. Sep 17 05:23:02 Error454: not aware of anything like that existing Sep 17 05:24:15 rwhitby: Do you know off-hand whether this area is closed source? Sep 17 05:24:51 I grep'd through the source trees and the untar'd doctor and couldn't find any clues as to where the storage driver is inserted. Sep 17 05:25:24 Error454: some of it is controlled by the modem chip I believe Sep 17 05:25:30 Well *inserted* is a poor word since it is built into the kernel Sep 17 05:25:58 rwhitby: hmm, I'll read up on that Sep 17 05:26:40 Error454: also look in /usr/share/storaged/ Sep 17 05:27:15 rwhitby: ooh, this looks interesting Sep 17 05:27:29 Error454: and strings of /usr/sbin/storaged Sep 17 05:31:52 favorite string fron storaged "%s: media is exported, but got a cable insert!! wtf? ignoring" Sep 17 05:32:56 storaged looks to be the winner Sep 17 08:17:50 hi Sep 17 08:21:05 g'day Sep 17 08:48:22 rwhitby: did you find the problem in the uebercalender ipk that is in the 1.4.5 feed? Sep 17 08:51:07 hape: just working on that now actually Sep 17 08:57:28 ok, ping me if you need a test. Will be here for the next hour or so Sep 17 08:58:02 it should go through in the next build cycle Sep 17 08:58:30 ok Sep 17 09:46:47 rwhitby: diden't you updated the version number to 65? Preware still shows no update Sep 17 09:48:07 hape: should have gone to 66 Sep 17 09:51:16 rwhitby: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/ still shows the 63 as latest, Preware too Sep 17 09:52:54 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/org.webosinternals.patches.calendar-ubercalendar_1.4.5-66_all.ipk Sep 17 10:45:31 afternoon Sep 17 11:40:21 installing right now Sep 17 11:47:49 working now Sep 17 11:50:06 excellent Sep 17 12:06:22 reporting live from the webos-internals booth at froscamp in zürich, switzerland Sep 17 12:06:51 hf Sep 17 12:32:51 i have someone with a VKB problem Sep 17 12:33:01 on a pre plus Sep 17 12:33:10 double-tapping doesn't bring up the VKB Sep 17 12:33:12 any ideas? Sep 17 13:32:24 new warthog-113 kernels for pre and pixi are out Sep 17 13:51:22 got a question about VKB Sep 17 15:49:54 hi rod are you around? Sep 17 15:50:12 i'm attempting to do the webos meta doctor and am running into an error that i don't know what to do with Sep 17 15:50:30 xargs: md5sum: No such file or directory make: *** [build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.5/.patched] Error 127 Sep 17 15:54:37 oops i forgot it's 2AM in Australia Sep 17 15:54:40 is anyone around? Sep 17 15:56:50 i'm here Sep 17 15:57:19 hi Sep 17 15:57:30 does the error that i just pasted make any sense to you? Sep 17 15:57:45 i'm just following the steps as outlined here: xargs: md5sum: No such file or directory make: *** [build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.5/.patched] Error 127 Sep 17 15:57:56 oops. i meant here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6 Sep 17 15:58:33 which step gives the error? Sep 17 15:58:57 oh wait i'm sorry that was the wrong URL Sep 17 15:59:14 this is the URL: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html Sep 17 15:59:34 and it's Step 2: Setup meta-doctor Sep 17 15:59:52 in the terminal, i typed "make patch" Sep 17 16:00:27 should i paste the entire result of that command from the terminal, into here? Sep 17 16:01:39 hold on Sep 17 16:07:47 ok thx Sep 17 16:33:59 swisstomcat... any suggestions for me? Sep 17 16:40:57 no, sorry ... busy Sep 17 17:12:26 hi is anyone around? Sep 17 18:56:54 I want palm to hurry up Sep 17 18:57:02 I mean HP/palm Sep 17 18:57:16 I jus switched from pre to evo Sep 17 18:58:11 * chrisA yawns Sep 17 18:58:11 dakidd: How is the battery life difference? Sep 17 18:58:45 evo's battery life is some of the worst around Sep 17 19:00:01 My Pre is just a dev phone, so I don't get a good idea of how long it lasts under a normal days use Sep 17 19:01:37 i'm getting sick of ppl saying "palm hurry up" :S Sep 17 19:02:01 my brother is still using his moto razr which is 5 yrs old Sep 17 19:02:07 and he don't complain Sep 17 19:02:18 so is it normal that After running Dr.Battery my Health dropped? was 92% THEN I ran Dr.Batt, & says it's 77%.. getfull & getage report likewise.. just wondering, did I run it incorrectly? using apps while recalibrating? or was the initial 92% a false read? thanks if neone can suggest. Sep 17 19:02:36 There is a very vocal userbase in the minority who buy the next shiny thing no matter how long they've had the last shiny Sep 17 19:03:04 iphone thrive on that business.. hehe Sep 17 19:03:25 chrisA: yes... when parents give them money for new shiny thing... go make your own money and we will see how often you are going to buy a new phone then... and pay for rent and bills too ;) Sep 17 19:03:49 kids don't appreciate money Sep 17 19:03:53 I doubt it's parents Sep 17 19:04:03 Unless kids these days have way more money than I did Sep 17 19:04:09 lol true that! Sep 17 19:04:12 they do Sep 17 19:04:14 dunno, I had a job from 15 on Sep 17 19:04:18 they do Sep 17 19:04:19 I have never not had a job Sep 17 19:04:48 when i got to usa the first thing that I got was a job and then I went to high school lol Sep 17 19:04:49 Got my first job in college Sep 17 19:06:02 worked on a farm when I was 8... hard labor. Sep 17 19:06:16 I can't relate to those folks, but I'm a very small % of a minuscule minority who hangs out in channels like this. Sep 17 19:06:38 & hardly pay. but it gave me good standards. :) appreciation. Sep 17 19:06:52 solix: me too... in poland since I was 7 Sep 17 19:06:53 ;p Sep 17 19:07:39 yeah.. shovelin manure, bailin hay, 12-16hr days... crazy, but I miss it, even crazier.. lol Sep 17 19:08:29 kept me in good shape at least.. haha Sep 17 19:09:29 true now u got beer muscle? :> Sep 17 19:09:45 haha... yeap. :D Sep 17 19:10:05 & carpeltunel Sep 17 19:10:08 ;) Sep 17 19:10:39 hehe Sep 17 19:14:21 bah Sep 17 19:14:26 hard work's ok but good genetics are better! Sep 17 19:14:49 hey Sep 17 19:14:51 Error454: you submit that patch yet? Sep 17 19:15:15 what patch Sep 17 19:15:33 en0x: FWIW, I pay for my own shinies, and I has many of them Sep 17 19:15:38 solix: Yeah, it is in Sep 17 19:15:45 Marajin: good to know Sep 17 19:15:53 solix: If you enable the testing feeds you can use it right now Sep 17 19:15:59 then again, I'm also not classifiable as a kid, technically Sep 17 19:16:05 unfortunately =/ Sep 17 19:16:13 Error454: &h cool :) thx Sep 17 19:16:44 dakidd: A patch for usb devices Sep 17 19:16:47 TBH I mostly upgrade my phone so often because I shout at my carrier till they give me a free upgrade Sep 17 19:17:29 Technically since pre launch (and I got the pre at launch day in the UK), I've had two upgrades on my phone Sep 17 19:17:50 more accurately I've had one and they've promised me another cept they were unable to find me a phone I was even remotely interested in Sep 17 19:18:02 so I just have my pre and my xperia x10 that I use every day Sep 17 19:18:13 (pre is for work, xperia for personal) Sep 17 19:18:16 xperia x10 :S Sep 17 19:19:26 If sony weren't such little bitches the X10'd be awesomesauce Sep 17 19:19:28 I've had maaaany like most, but the pre By Far has been my fav.. but mostly due to the preware/homebrew crews.. :) Sep 17 19:19:29 but no Sep 17 19:19:53 they went 'ZOMG No! Android 1.6, no multitouch and battery life of a /half/ a day!' Sep 17 19:20:19 naturally xda-devs went '... **smack** Rooted, battery life of 3 days, thaaaaank you' Sep 17 19:20:50 so my x10 now has bettery screen, camera and battery than my pre.. but that 1.6 version of android is a real bugger Sep 17 19:21:02 I'm crossing my fingers on a bootloader exploit to get CFW Sep 17 19:21:21 and meanwhile waiting for the pre 2 basically :P Sep 17 19:22:58 I'm real happy with just the pre+.. does more than I need. Sep 17 19:23:17 I have a launch pre.. it has issues Sep 17 19:23:25 like the 'ZOMG! You moved! **turns off**' Sep 17 19:23:34 ouch. Sep 17 19:23:55 It only developed the issue after a few months so I thought I'd dodged the bullet Sep 17 19:24:16 one I had did the overheatin yellow spots.. but had it replaced.. this ones great. Sep 17 19:24:48 1yr palm warrantee.. Sep 17 19:25:03 I /think/ I've just about passed the 1 year mark on my pre Sep 17 19:26:05 i had my pre since june 6th, 2009 Sep 17 19:26:06 :P Sep 17 19:26:10 palm sent my new one Next Day delivery, with return box for old one. real nice to work with.. Sep 17 19:26:17 I can't remember when UK release was.. august 09ish Sep 17 19:26:49 AFAIK I wouldn't have to deal with palm, I can just bitchslap o2 and they'll send me a new one with a box for the old one, they've done it for other things before Sep 17 19:27:45 dealing with Palm was better than vzn here, imho, .. I'd prefer it :) Sep 17 19:28:04 well that's vzn Sep 17 19:28:14 I hear shocking things about the US carriers Sep 17 19:28:20 even t-mobile UK Sep 17 19:28:39 not bad, but when I have to explain to the tech support the difference between WiFi and Hotspot..... grrrrump. lol Sep 17 19:29:38 verizon is awesome here(us), just get some less than qualified tech *sometimes. Sep 17 19:30:49 well, I stand to be corrected but best I can tell TCO for cells in the US is just plain higher and service is generally worse Sep 17 19:31:05 not surprising, cause it's a larger country with lower pop density Sep 17 19:31:07 but still Sep 17 19:32:32 yeah, it's Kinda* a hit/miss some*times.. but like you do, we just keep tellin them.. or in pre's case, homebrew fixes it for em/us.. ;) Sep 17 19:32:50 heh :) Sep 17 19:33:22 Well it's part of my job to slap sales reps around for better deals so I can't help taking it home with me anyway when it comes to my cell tariffs Sep 17 19:34:11 true Sep 17 19:34:33 Rule of thumb is 33% discount IME Sep 17 19:34:42 :) Sep 17 19:35:26 ight ttyl :) Sep 17 21:47:27 hmm who was it that mentioned the 360 patch? Error? Sep 17 21:48:12 error454 Sep 17 21:48:21 was his nick Sep 17 21:56:37 hello, does anyone know where text messages are stored on the palm pre? Sep 17 21:56:42 ive been searching /var/data Sep 17 21:56:58 but i can't seem to find them Sep 17 21:57:45 isn't there a folder named 'messaging/es' I thought there was.. sorry can't check atm. Sep 17 21:58:45 I could have sworn they were stored in the db, maybe that was the old days? Sep 17 21:58:50 that might be jus for dloads storage what I'm remembering tho.. Sep 17 22:06:14 Hey is there an known issue with the Advanced Launcher Config Install Sep 17 22:10:25 Is the palm pre's temperature sensor actually accurate? Sep 17 22:11:25 Pre doesn't have a thermistor. It does have a battery temperature sensor though which I imagine is what you're talking about Sep 17 22:11:29 Pixi has an actual thermistor Sep 17 22:11:45 my pre plus does i think Sep 17 22:11:49 i've gotten a temp warning before Sep 17 22:11:57 Yes, that's what I mean. Sep 17 22:12:13 I downloaded a patch to show said temperature, and I've noticed it frequently goes above 100. Is that normal? Sep 17 22:12:25 F or C? Sep 17 22:12:49 F. Sep 17 22:12:53 yea Sep 17 22:13:04 100C and I would not be touching it, believe you me. Sep 17 22:13:17 Ah. Good to know. Sep 17 22:13:19 if it's a cpu temp that's low Sep 17 22:13:31 What's the hottest it should be? Sep 17 22:13:33 cpu operating ranges are like 50-80C Sep 17 22:14:06 What about for battery? Because I'm fairly sure that's what I'm seeing here. Sep 17 22:14:12 iunno Sep 17 22:14:20 i got my temp warning using the wireless charging puck Sep 17 22:14:29 that thing makes my phone really hot Sep 17 22:15:03 Yeah, my phone warms up when I charge it too, but I dismissed that as normal; but it's just, I never really thought it would be 100-120 degrees. Sep 17 22:15:13 Doesn't feel like 100. Sep 17 22:15:39 For one thing, the battery is going to be hotter than the rest of the phone Sep 17 22:15:48 The device will shutdown between 65-70C Sep 17 22:15:50 i wouldn't worry about it Sep 17 22:15:53 If it's not shutting down you're fine Sep 17 22:16:06 Lovely. Sep 17 22:16:10 you've got a good 20-30C left as a buffer Sep 17 22:16:40 Good. Sep 17 22:17:00 I'm just not very experienced with phone hardware yet. ..Or software, for that matter. But I'm better with software. Sep 17 22:17:26 whoops, I was a bit off Sep 17 22:17:29 We shutdown at 60ish Sep 17 22:17:39 65 is when the bootloader freaks out Sep 17 22:17:48 Freaks out? Sep 17 22:18:06 Stops the boot process Sep 17 22:18:22 kernel panic! Sep 17 22:18:39 So at 60, it'll actually go through a normal shutdown, but at 65 it'll just shut down cold? Sep 17 22:18:49 and at 70 it explodes Sep 17 22:19:03 and li-ion batteries make awesome hand grenades Sep 17 22:19:06 no, we trigger normal shutdowns in all cases Sep 17 22:19:30 "We"? Sep 17 22:30:32 chrisA? Sep 17 22:31:46 hm? Sep 17 22:32:40 "We"? Sep 17 22:32:42 what's the operating temperature ratings for commercial phones nowadays anyway ? Sep 17 22:32:53 well iphones run really hot Sep 17 22:32:58 cause apple's are flaming Sep 17 22:33:06 85C ? Sep 17 22:34:15 oh, no .. it's way off Sep 17 22:34:20 0C to 35C Sep 17 22:34:32 -20C to 45C for storage Sep 17 22:35:27 I would NOT want to be holding my phone @ 85C Sep 17 22:35:28 chrisA: do you have temperature chambers for qual testing or is that all handled by the actual manufacturer ? Sep 17 22:35:57 We have ovens and freezer majiggers Sep 17 22:36:06 very nice Sep 17 22:36:16 There is a group who does compliance testing for that sort of stuff, though for the end of pixi I spent a weekend playing in the oven Sep 17 22:37:01 thermal vac and shake table are the final tests. Sep 17 22:37:08 Is there a way I can simulate temperatures in the pre emulator? Sep 17 22:58:48 Oh look, an update. Sep 17 22:59:14 an update for ? Sep 17 22:59:42 Pre. Sep 17 22:59:46 1.4.5. Sep 17 23:00:02 oh cool Sep 17 23:00:04 congrats Sep 17 23:00:21 Maybe -now- I can run wIRC properly. Sep 17 23:01:49 one can only hope Sep 17 23:02:41 I should try to run wirc on 2.0 Sep 17 23:03:22 yeah you should Sep 17 23:03:29 help debug it Sep 17 23:03:38 chrisA: how did you like working with the ovens ? Sep 17 23:03:52 Kinda boring once the novelty of playing with the oven passed Sep 17 23:04:02 I had more fun writing the thermistor driver and playing with a can of freezer Sep 17 23:04:11 ooh, that is fun Sep 17 23:04:25 do you detect overtemp and undertemp operating conditions Sep 17 23:04:25 ? Sep 17 23:04:29 yes Sep 17 23:04:41 Actually, I don't think undertemp is a use case Sep 17 23:04:51 overtemp is due to situations like leaving it on a car dashboard in arizona Sep 17 23:05:14 what about leaving it in the car in NY winter? :( Sep 17 23:05:18 Are you palm staff or something? Or just a good developer? Sep 17 23:05:32 chrisA is palm Sep 17 23:05:35 all of it Sep 17 23:05:40 no fingers :( Sep 17 23:05:43 lol Sep 17 23:06:07 if he's a palm i'm surprized he hasn't gone blind yet :P Sep 17 23:07:55 chrisA: Pre has a temp sensor in the OMAP. It's not officially supported by TI, but it's there and we use it in UberKernel Sep 17 23:08:25 I don't think our userspace uses it though Sep 17 23:09:06 no, vendor kernel does not expose it Sep 17 23:09:23 But I am always willing to admit a lack of omap knowledge Sep 17 23:09:33 OMAP? Sep 17 23:09:47 chrisA: it took me three goes at finding a patch which actually worked for it Sep 17 23:10:22 KGF2009: the processor in the Pre, as opposed to the MSM in the Pixi Sep 17 23:11:08 Is UberKernel recommended? Sep 17 23:11:36 KGF2009: At least one HP executive uses it daily. Sep 17 23:12:33 Aha. Sep 17 23:12:44 Well, I'll give it a shot as soon as this update is done. Sep 17 23:12:55 Anything I should know? Sep 17 23:14:05 chrisA: do you work with channel simulators or anything or is that a different group too ? Sep 17 23:15:51 Different Sep 17 23:16:04 Unless I misunderstand what you mean by channel simulator Sep 17 23:16:52 RF channels for mobile <-> basestation simulation Sep 17 23:17:21 There are teams dedicated to just RF Sep 17 23:17:37 do they seem like a fun group, well respected, or kind of off to the side ? Sep 17 23:18:04 Not sure, don't work with them Sep 17 23:18:16 sounds like off to the side then :( Sep 17 23:18:17 rf rarely interacts with this level, more with the modem core guys Sep 17 23:18:30 I live in a bubble Sep 17 23:18:39 don't we all ? Sep 17 23:19:07 I cross over daily...sometimes within seconds (or hertz) Sep 17 23:19:08 i was just wondering how they do the diversity stuff with RF Sep 17 23:19:09 if we didn't, our heads would explode Sep 17 23:19:29 bpadalino, frequency or space? Sep 17 23:19:31 i know for EVDO it's not necessarily as important, but for LTE they have 2x2 and 4x4 Sep 17 23:19:44 ka6sox-work: both! MIMO all the way Sep 17 23:19:44 oh...frequency Sep 17 23:19:50 yep Sep 17 23:20:00 spatial diversity helps out a lot surprisingly enough Sep 17 23:20:08 its amazing Sep 17 23:20:28 even a crappy spatial diversity receiver can usually outperform a great equalizer Sep 17 23:20:29 another thing that does well is frequency hopping Sep 17 23:20:53 then again, this isn't #wireless so i'll pipe down :( Sep 17 23:21:01 me too... Sep 17 23:23:14 rwhitby, what should I know before I get UberKernel? Sep 17 23:23:50 KGF2009: you should read the homepage link for it in description in Preware Sep 17 23:24:19 you people are cwazy! Sep 17 23:24:56 Why, thank you! :D Sep 17 23:38:27 Awww! Some of my patches got removed in the update. Sep 17 23:45:46 Um, what do I do if I have a patch that refuses to update or remove? Sep 17 23:46:10 did you read the thread about which ones needed to be removed first? Sep 17 23:46:25 No, not about UberKernel. Sep 17 23:46:32 I haven't installed that yet. Sep 17 23:46:42 KGF2009: Um, what do I do if I have a patch that refuses to update or remove? Sep 17 23:46:47 rwhitby: did you read the thread about which ones needed to be removed first? Sep 17 23:47:16 I didn't know there was one. Sep 18 00:03:20 - In Preware, run EPR (Emergency Patch Recovery) Sep 18 00:03:23 Where's that? Sep 18 00:03:43 ..Nevermind. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 18 02:59:57 2010