**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 18 02:59:57 2010
Sep 18 04:05:01 <umidk42577> hey can someone help me with preware?
Sep 18 04:06:49 <rwhitby> http://install.preware.org/
Sep 18 04:07:09 <umidk42577> i tried installing it
Sep 18 04:07:24 <umidk42577> everything with blue arrow downloaded and installed
Sep 18 04:07:32 <umidk42577> but it does not show up on my pre
Sep 18 04:07:38 <rwhitby> which version of WOSQI did you use?
Sep 18 04:08:50 <umidk42577> i believe it is the latest version
Sep 18 04:09:06 <rwhitby> that's not a valid answer.  which version is it
Sep 18 04:09:30 <umidk42577> it is 1.1.1
Sep 18 04:09:37 <rwhitby> (at least 50% of people who give that answer to me don't actually have the latest version)
Sep 18 04:09:38 <umidk42577> 1.3.1*
Sep 18 04:10:22 <rwhitby> is that the WebOS Quick Install (WOSQI) version, or the webOS version?
Sep 18 04:10:29 <rwhitby> cause it's not the latest version of either.
Sep 18 04:10:48 <umidk42577> web os
Sep 18 04:11:04 <rwhitby> latest version of webOS is 1.4.5, and Preware will not work on anything earlier than 1.3.5
Sep 18 04:11:05 <SineOt> what in the world. What carrier do you have?
Sep 18 04:11:36 <umidk42577> how do i update?
Sep 18 04:11:49 <rwhitby> http://palm.com/support/
Sep 18 04:14:12 <umidk42577> k thank you
Sep 18 04:18:26 <rwhitby> and the invalidity of "the latest" as an answer to "which version" is proven yet again.
Sep 18 04:19:01 <SineOt> I really just want to know how someone could end up still on 1.3.1
Sep 18 05:54:54 <rwhitby> SineOt: it's usually cause they have used some illegally distributed ROM for an unsupported carrier.
Sep 18 05:55:41 <SineOt> if you were going to go that far, at least aim for something a little newer :p
Sep 18 05:56:53 <rwhitby> illegal ROM distributors usually don't care about maintainability or future business
Sep 18 06:56:53 <swisstomcat> morning
Sep 18 14:23:15 <KGF2009> Well, wIRC works!
Sep 18 14:34:24 <swisstomcat> wirc rocks!
Sep 18 14:35:11 <KGF2009> \o/
Sep 18 14:38:17 <bgp> does wirc support fish?
Sep 18 14:39:08 <KGF2009> Fish?
Sep 18 14:39:38 <PuffTheMagic> fish?
Sep 18 14:39:45 <PuffTheMagic> blowfish?
Sep 18 14:39:52 <bgp> yeah
Sep 18 14:40:05 <PuffTheMagic> if I switched to gnutls I could
Sep 18 14:40:10 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think openssl does it
Sep 18 14:40:13 <PuffTheMagic> i would have to check
Sep 18 14:40:18 <PuffTheMagic> what irc servers support it?
Sep 18 14:40:46 <bgp> I connect to several irc servers that use blowfish keys
Sep 18 14:40:53 <PuffTheMagic> like?
Sep 18 14:40:58 <PuffTheMagic> i know of none
Sep 18 14:41:01 <PuffTheMagic> iw ould like to be able to test it
Sep 18 14:41:12 <bgp> well they arent public sorry :(
Sep 18 14:42:14 <KGF2009> Can Verizon intercept IRC?
Sep 18 14:42:30 <bgp> uh you mean like log it?
Sep 18 14:42:39 <PuffTheMagic> bgp, so umm...
Sep 18 14:42:45 <PuffTheMagic> looks like openssl supports blowfish
Sep 18 14:42:54 <KGF2009> bgp, yeah.
Sep 18 14:43:00 <PuffTheMagic> i could add a field to wirc to specify the ciphers
Sep 18 14:43:03 <rwhitby> KGF2009: your carrier can intercept any data that traverses their towers and network
Sep 18 14:43:15 <rwhitby> KGF2009: hence the desire to use SSL for wIRC :)
Sep 18 14:43:34 <PuffTheMagic> or
Sep 18 14:43:35 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Sep 18 14:43:38 <bgp> kgf: most likely they wouldnt though
Sep 18 14:43:51 <PuffTheMagic> i will have to read more about how blowfish works
Sep 18 14:43:51 <rwhitby> well, most likely they wouldn't let you know that they are
Sep 18 14:44:06 <KGF2009> In that case..
Sep 18 14:44:08 <bgp> puff: that would be awesome about the keys
Sep 18 14:44:16 <rwhitby> or who they are passing it on to ...
Sep 18 14:44:42 <rwhitby> or what keywords their government-supplied echelon boxes are looking for ...
Sep 18 14:44:54 <PuffTheMagic> bgp, what version of wirc do you have
Sep 18 14:45:10 <bgp> I dont have any on my phone atm
Sep 18 14:45:28 <bgp> not since my last doctor
Sep 18 14:46:00 * bgp fires up preware
Sep 18 14:47:03 * rwhitby bbt
Sep 18 14:47:50 <PuffTheMagic> bgp, looks like I should be able to add BF support but it doesnt exactly drop in replace SSL/TLS
Sep 18 14:48:04 <PuffTheMagic> so i will have to refactor shit a little
Sep 18 14:48:12 <KGF2009> SSL is 6697 right?
Sep 18 14:48:13 <PuffTheMagic> prob wont get to that till late tonight
Sep 18 14:48:19 <PuffTheMagic> KGF2009, there is no standard
Sep 18 14:48:38 <KGF2009> Then what is freenode's?
Sep 18 14:48:43 <PuffTheMagic> 7000
Sep 18 14:48:44 <PuffTheMagic> 7070
Sep 18 14:49:49 <bgp> :puff that would be sweet then I could connect to my bnc
Sep 18 14:50:00 <KGF2009> Did it work?
Sep 18 14:50:19 <bgp> idk do you feel more secure now
Sep 18 14:54:13 <KGF2009> So now if verizon does try to log it, they'll get a jumble of encrypted code?
Sep 18 14:54:51 <bgp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security
Sep 18 15:05:35 <teddys1> sweet
Sep 18 15:06:43 <hallad> wow puff I gotta say this is pretty slick
Sep 18 15:07:01 <hallad> great job on wirc
Sep 18 15:10:04 <teddys1> that's better
Sep 18 15:18:04 <KGF2009> PuffTheMagic, you made wIRC?
Sep 18 15:18:34 <PuffTheMagic> KGF2009, me and oil
Sep 18 15:18:47 <PuffTheMagic> i mostly do the backend/service/plugin stuff
Sep 18 15:18:57 <PuffTheMagic> but i play in the gui a little
Sep 18 15:19:00 <PuffTheMagic> when oil isnt looking
Sep 18 15:19:04 <PuffTheMagic> oil is the mojo master
Sep 18 15:19:44 <KGF2009> Well I've gotta agree with teddys. Great app.
Sep 18 15:20:54 <KGF2009> Does palm support veoh?
Sep 18 15:22:03 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Sep 18 15:22:43 <bgp> veoh the streaming website?
Sep 18 15:23:12 <KGF2009> Yeah.
Sep 18 15:23:22 <bgp> veoh is flash
Sep 18 15:23:24 <bgp> sooo no
Sep 18 15:23:31 <KGF2009> Aw.
Sep 18 15:24:33 <bgp> sometimes I am a lil bummed out that the pre isnt up to scratch to other phones in areas
Sep 18 15:24:54 <bgp> but then I remember, watching videos on a phone is a time waster I dont need
Sep 18 15:25:02 <bgp> and it is a phone after all
Sep 18 15:25:32 <KGF2009> Well the pre is no doubt better than my old WM6.
Sep 18 15:26:00 <bgp> no that isnt true
Sep 18 15:26:05 <bgp> webos is better
Sep 18 15:26:10 <bgp> the pre not so much
Sep 18 15:26:28 <KGF2009> How so?
Sep 18 15:27:03 <bgp> pre hardware is kinda shotty and adequate
Sep 18 15:27:09 <bgp> its not brilliant
Sep 18 15:27:17 <bgp> webos on the the other hand
Sep 18 15:27:21 <bgp> is epic
Sep 18 15:29:37 * KGF2009 nods.
Sep 18 17:32:23 <k-> ohnoes: / is full... i could've sworn i saw something around about using /media/internal for storage... if not, it'd be great to run resize2fs
Sep 18 17:33:53 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Sep 18 17:33:59 <PuffTheMagic> just put your files in media/internal
Sep 18 17:34:01 <PuffTheMagic> instead of /
Sep 18 17:36:08 * halfhalo just runs this great file compactor called rm -rf / that results in a TON of free space
Sep 18 17:36:58 <k-> hmm, this might become challenging.. i'm thinking of moving all applications, including ipkg-opt. but for some reason i find it inconvenient or not what i _really_ want to do...
Sep 18 17:37:20 <k-> :halfhalo: best damn tip of all day...
Sep 18 18:05:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> PuffTheMagic, can I ssh
Sep 18 18:06:39 <PuffTheMagic> GNUtoo|laptop, sure
Sep 18 18:07:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok thanks
Sep 18 18:07:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> because morphis wants me to push my initial module that makes libertas_sdio crash
Sep 18 18:07:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> and I want to take a look again at the wifiloader
Sep 18 18:51:32 <Emilio355> yo
Sep 18 18:53:03 <PuffTheMagic> GNUtoo|laptop, what ya working on?
Sep 18 18:53:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> on adding the irq
Sep 18 18:53:30 <PuffTheMagic> i really hope that works
Sep 18 18:54:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> me too
Sep 18 19:00:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> PuffTheMagic, is it blocked?
Sep 18 19:02:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> PuffTheMagic, what was the command to get the dmesg message?
Sep 18 19:03:35 <PuffTheMagic> blocked?
Sep 18 19:03:51 <PuffTheMagic> hardlocked?
Sep 18 19:04:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes and I want dmesg message
Sep 18 19:04:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> $ novaterm -t
Sep 18 19:04:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> unable to find device
Sep 18 19:05:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
Sep 18 19:05:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Sep 18 19:05:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe plug and unplug the usb cable?
Sep 18 19:05:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> ahhh ouch
Sep 18 19:05:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> I put the GPIO number
Sep 18 19:05:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> not the irq number
Sep 18 19:05:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> sorry
Sep 18 19:05:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll correct that
Sep 18 19:09:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> ping PuffTheMagic
Sep 18 19:09:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> is the pre still alive?
Sep 18 19:10:31 <PuffTheMagic> 1 sec
Sep 18 19:10:56 <PuffTheMagic> its alive again
Sep 18 19:10:57 <PuffTheMagic> booting
Sep 18 19:11:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Sep 18 19:11:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Sep 18 19:11:11 <PuffTheMagic> to get the emergency klog
Sep 18 19:11:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> what newbie error I did
Sep 18 19:11:18 <PuffTheMagic> go into bootie mode
Sep 18 19:11:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> no need anymore
Sep 18 19:11:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> I know my error mode
Sep 18 19:11:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/mode//
Sep 18 19:11:27 <infobot> GNUtoo|laptop meant: I know my error
Sep 18 19:11:34 <PuffTheMagic> and instead of pushing a kernel
Sep 18 19:11:39 <PuffTheMagic> juse use novaterm
Sep 18 19:11:44 <PuffTheMagic> then type help
Sep 18 19:11:51 <PuffTheMagic> and one of the options is klog or something like that
Sep 18 19:12:14 <halfhalo> or rm -rf / if you feel special
Sep 18 19:12:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Sep 18 19:13:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> radio mode radio frequency?
Sep 18 19:13:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> (rm -rf)
Sep 18 19:13:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> or:
Sep 18 19:13:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> rm -fr: translate everything into french
Sep 18 19:13:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> but as the CPU doens't speak french
Sep 18 19:13:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> it doesn't work anymore
Sep 18 19:13:28 <halfhalo> no, it enables unicorn mode
Sep 18 19:14:02 <halfhalo> well, rainbow mode technically but their both the same
Sep 18 19:15:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah isn't that an unix workstation thing
Sep 18 19:15:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> unicorn
Sep 18 19:15:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> arncorn was arm
Sep 18 19:15:36 <halfhalo> yeah
Sep 18 19:15:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> or or something like that
Sep 18 19:19:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> oops I forgott about the firmware
Sep 18 19:24:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> why doesn't it want to load a firmware?
Sep 18 19:59:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> [  874.810000] libertas: failed to load helper firmware
Sep 18 19:59:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok I nned v9 firmwares
Sep 18 20:02:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> FIRMWARE=libertas/sd8686_v9_helper.bin
Sep 18 20:02:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll look
Sep 18 20:17:37 <PuffTheMagic> ya you should have v9 in there
Sep 18 20:22:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> [ 2197.920000] libertas: failed to load helper firmware
Sep 18 20:22:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> with newer v9 too
Sep 18 20:22:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Sep 18 20:22:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> what firmware palm uses?
Sep 18 20:24:00 <PuffTheMagic> prob v8
Sep 18 20:24:02 <PuffTheMagic> crc them
Sep 18 20:25:02 <PuffTheMagic> GNUtoo|laptop, where did all the wireless-compat firmwares go
Sep 18 20:25:13 <PuffTheMagic> and where are the orig firmwares/
Sep 18 20:25:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't remember
Sep 18 20:25:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think I tared them
Sep 18 20:27:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> is it problematic?
Sep 18 20:27:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet that can be restored
Sep 18 20:27:49 <PuffTheMagic> no
Sep 18 20:27:54 <PuffTheMagic> not an issue
Sep 18 20:28:00 <PuffTheMagic> i was just gonna crc them and compare
Sep 18 20:28:03 <PuffTheMagic> but i couldnt
Sep 18 20:29:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Sep 18 20:31:07 <jess> how can I delete a theme from my pre?
Sep 18 20:32:25 <egaudet> with whatever tool you used to install it
Sep 18 20:32:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> PuffTheMagic, I'll continue another day
Sep 18 20:33:33 <Guest36743> iused preware, but I can't find the menu option. Do you know where it is?
Sep 18 20:35:41 <Guest36743> do I need to delete patches and themes before installing webos 1.4.5?
Sep 18 20:36:27 <PuffTheMagic> GNUtoo|laptop, ok
Sep 18 20:36:29 <egaudet> if you used preware just go to installed packages find it and remove it
Sep 18 20:36:40 <egaudet> you only need to remove a select few patches not all of them
Sep 18 20:53:04 <chrisA> There was a preware specific method of backing up / restoring sms messages wasn't there?
Sep 18 20:53:08 <chrisA> Or general message history
Sep 18 20:55:35 <chrisA> hm, may not work with 2.0 changes though
Sep 18 21:04:20 <halfhalo> didn't it just read the db with em in it?
Sep 18 21:04:54 <chrisA> db may have changed
Sep 18 21:06:01 <halfhalo> yeah, but that shouldn't be a huge issue, unless it changes to some superduper secure encrypted thingamabober
Sep 18 21:51:18 <KGF2009> PuffTheMagic, is there tab complete in wIRC?
Sep 18 21:53:55 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Sep 18 21:54:52 <PuffTheMagic> gesture+orange
Sep 18 21:56:46 <KGF2009> PuffTheMagic,
Sep 18 21:56:53 <KGF2009> Oh awesome.
Sep 18 21:57:00 <KGF2009> Thanks.
Sep 18 22:00:47 <halfhalo> that damn quit false thing is still there
Sep 18 23:12:10 <Dave__> I have to send my palm pre in for repair. I've installed a few 'hacks' on it in the past. How do I make sure it is restored to 100% default factory ettings?   I know how to reset through the phone's software, but i want to make sure the 'hacks' aren't still kicking around
Sep 18 23:21:08 <bgp> dave you could doctor it
Sep 18 23:23:11 <bgp> I have to go out of town for a while for business and the place I am going doesnt have sprint coverage (my carrier) so I will be roaming (I believe on verizons network) does anyone know is there is a way I can get data to work?
Sep 18 23:23:41 <halfhalo> Theres an option in the phone app preference menu to enable data roaming
Sep 18 23:24:21 <bgp> isnt that only for 3g though?
Sep 18 23:24:37 <bgp> I guess my question is there 2g data?
Sep 18 23:24:45 <bgp> like at&t edge
Sep 18 23:24:52 <halfhalo> I think your limited to 2g data when data roaming
Sep 18 23:27:53 <bgp> the last time I was in this location I didnt have access to data
Sep 18 23:28:20 <bgp> I am fairly positive I had data roaming enabled
Sep 18 23:29:03 <bgp> what could be another cause for no data but voice connectivity?
Sep 18 23:29:21 <halfhalo> No idea
Sep 18 23:31:12 <bgp> well... I guess I will just find out tommorow
Sep 18 23:32:04 <bgp> I might look into getting a prepaid phone for tethering if I start travelling more
Sep 18 23:32:35 <bgp> I know that AT&T has edge service and pockets of 3g in the area
Sep 18 23:33:20 <bgp> Can anyone confirm if Sprint roams on Verizon
Sep 18 23:33:30 <halfhalo> I know for a fact they do
Sep 18 23:33:35 <halfhalo> Since mine is right now
Sep 18 23:33:36 <bgp> ok good
Sep 18 23:33:49 <bgp> and you data?
Sep 18 23:33:58 <halfhalo> yeah, but only x1
Sep 18 23:34:05 <bgp> *have data
Sep 18 23:34:27 <bgp> soo you can use sloooooow data?
Sep 18 23:34:34 <halfhalo> yeah
Sep 18 23:34:44 <bgp> well thats better than none
Sep 19 01:19:39 <k-> is it possible to simpy grow the root mount point " / "
Sep 19 01:22:13 <rwhitby> yes, you can boot from an initramfs and lvresize the offline partition
Sep 19 01:22:33 <rwhitby> but it's much easier just to create a new ext3 lvm partition and mount that
Sep 19 01:23:04 <rwhitby> unless you're intending on replacing mojo or never OTA updating the device, adding stuff to / is not a good idea
Sep 19 01:36:10 <FuMan> So, first time trying to use the meta doctor… i installed and built everything, ran it, and ive just been at pulsing Palm for a couple hours O_o
Sep 19 01:36:22 <FuMan> pulled the battery, powered on, same jazz
Sep 19 01:36:58 <rwhitby> check the java log on the host while the doctor is running, and novaterm into the device to see what's happening while it's flashing
Sep 19 01:37:54 <FuMan> alright, ill save the logs and hit back
Sep 19 01:37:58 <FuMan> thanks for the nose in the right direction
Sep 19 01:38:32 <rwhitby> put it in recovery mode, and doctor it again while you watch
Sep 19 01:40:41 <FuMan> also, threshold issue
Sep 19 01:40:52 <FuMan> how the heck do you turn the wifi on, before you have to login to palm profile in the first run O_o
Sep 19 01:41:45 <rwhitby> metadoctor
Sep 19 01:41:53 <rwhitby> bypass first use, or install wifi profile
Sep 19 01:43:03 <FuMan> well, does the meta doctor cause the phone to do anything else besides first boot into the setup? will there be a new option for "do this later" or something?
Sep 19 01:43:36 <FuMan> hrm, now immediately relevant
Sep 19 01:43:38 <rwhitby> have you read the documentation at the top of the meta doctor?
Sep 19 01:43:47 <FuMan> just the wiki
Sep 19 01:44:01 * halfhalo runs from wiki
Sep 19 01:44:14 <FuMan> well, it was plenty solid to get it all setup and built
Sep 19 01:44:18 <FuMan> couldn't have done that to save my life
Sep 19 01:44:27 <FuMan> but the wiki lacks much of anything regarding actual usage
Sep 19 01:44:45 <rwhitby> "If you would like Meta-Doctor to apply patches to webOS in order to add or change functionality from the factory install, open the Makefile with your favorite text editor and uncomment (remove the leading # characters from) the options you would like to use."
Sep 19 01:45:18 <FuMan> heh
Sep 19 01:45:27 <FuMan> so "bypass first use" is a patch eh
Sep 19 01:45:40 <FuMan> if you don't edit the makefile at all, did it just rebuild a dupe of the regular doctor jar?
Sep 19 01:45:55 <rwhitby> yep
Sep 19 01:46:03 <FuMan> heh, tardo up in here.
Sep 19 01:46:12 <FuMan> i figured that was additional, beyond my need type patches
Sep 19 01:46:21 <FuMan> well, time to rebuild and redoctor O_o
Sep 19 01:46:45 <rwhitby> I've added a bold note at the top of the wiki page to look in the Makefile for documentation of the features
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