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Sep 25 03:02:01 <Amaranth> Ok, the accelerometer emulation works, tested with the pdk-chipmunk-test
Sep 25 03:05:55 <dtzWill> Amaranth: nice!
Sep 25 03:06:00 <dtzWill> Amaranth: grats
Sep 25 03:06:10 <dtzWill> i gtg, but keep up the good work everyone XD :)
Sep 25 03:10:43 <Amaranth> holy crap this is 1.5GB of stuff
Sep 25 03:11:27 <bpadalino> just zip it up
Sep 25 03:12:37 <Amaranth> Well, the OS X version is only 388MB of stuff
Sep 25 03:12:46 <Amaranth> So I have extras somewhere, I guess in the toolchain
Sep 25 03:13:42 <Amaranth> Yep, my arm-gcc directory is 1.5GB of stuff
Sep 25 03:14:15 <Amaranth> Oh, I have an extra directory in there I don't need
Sep 25 03:16:55 <Amaranth> There we go, down to ~450MB
Sep 25 03:17:27 <Amaranth> And gzip got it down to 126MB, yay
Sep 25 03:19:00 <Amaranth> That'll only take all night to upload...
Sep 25 03:19:16 <bpadalino> gzip it again
Sep 25 03:19:22 <Amaranth> uh
Sep 25 03:20:13 <Amaranth> wow, that actually cut 100MB off
Sep 25 03:20:22 <Amaranth> err, I meant got it down to 100MB
Sep 25 03:20:58 <dtzWill> Amaranth: do you need to ship the toolchain too? or can people just extract codesourcery's?
Sep 25 03:21:06 <dtzWill> oh you're on it. nvm :)
Sep 25 03:23:37 <Amaranth> Trying 7zip now, see if I can make it smaller
Sep 25 03:26:23 <Amaranth> Wow, 54MB
Sep 25 03:27:22 <bpadalino> soon, a single byte will represent it all!
Sep 25 03:28:25 <rwhitby> one thing to remember about a homebrew Linux PDK is that we can't actually distribute any of Palm's files - we have to distribute a script which downloads stuff from Palm and massages it into a Linux PDK.
Sep 25 03:28:52 <rwhitby> but I agree with dtzWill - a true host-emulating just-the-bare-minimum Linux PDK would be awesome
Sep 25 03:28:54 <Amaranth> bpadalino: Sure, you'll just need a 400MB inflation program to open it
Sep 25 03:29:16 <bpadalino> true
Sep 25 03:29:29 <Amaranth> I suppose I could try to script building it...
Sep 25 03:29:43 <Amaranth> The problem is I already have it which makes it hard for me to put more effort in to it ;)
Sep 25 04:20:33 <acydlord> fail, apparently the contacts app can't sync to google accounts that are only for google voice
Sep 25 04:21:46 <Amaranth> acydlord: I believe such accounts only have a GV specific API for managing contacts
Sep 25 04:23:09 <acydlord> that would be a fail, i dun goofed and deleted the google apps account my contacts were on, then remembered about 30 seconds too late
Sep 25 04:37:54 <zelton> greetings
Sep 25 04:50:04 <cryptk|wirc> ~seen rwhitby
Sep 25 04:50:08 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (5d 23h 9m 9s) #oe (5d 23h 9m 9s) #meego (5d 23h 9m 9s) #nslu2-linux (5d 23h 9m 9s). Has said a total of 116 messages. Is idling for 1h 21m 15s, last said: 'but I agree with dtzWill - a true host-emulating just-the-bare-minimum Linux PDK would be awesome'.
Sep 25 04:50:21 <halfhalo> dundundun....
Sep 25 04:50:38 <cryptk|wirc> damn, missed him
Sep 25 05:13:59 <nn7> ~seen nn7
Sep 25 05:14:01 <infobot> nn7 is currently on #webos-internals (28m 41s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen nn7'.
Sep 25 06:32:29 <ixs> hmmmm. I have a dead palm. It went swimming with a car and me... Are there any hardware hackers how have taken a look at the flash rom and its controller chips on the pre?
Sep 25 06:36:26 <cryptk> ixs: you can /possibly/ fix it
Sep 25 06:36:33 <cryptk> sorry to hear about your water landing in a car btw
Sep 25 06:37:33 <cryptk> ixs: take the battery out, set it on the dashboard of your car (the phone and the battery) for about two days, or a windowsill, somewhere that gets plenty of sun
Sep 25 06:37:45 <cryptk> wait until you cannot see ANY signs of moisture
Sep 25 06:37:54 <cryptk> even around the screen
Sep 25 06:38:03 <cryptk> then see if it turns on
Sep 25 06:38:14 <cryptk> if it doesn't, a new battery has a decent chance of bringing it back
Sep 25 06:38:27 <cryptk> as long as you haven't tried to turn it on since it got wet
Sep 25 06:38:44 <cryptk> if you tried to turn it on after it got wet, your chances are significantly lower
Sep 25 06:40:16 <ixs> cryptk: The palm might be okay. I am not sure however. Good news: Palm was in my pocket in the orange black leather sleeve. And I got out of the car pretty quick. That meant not too much water. Problem: Someone of the "helpful" observers tried putting the phone together while it was lying in the sun... So I fear it might be fried. (Haven't tried it myself yet, as I planned on waiting for a week or so...) I'm just researching ...
Sep 25 06:40:22 <ixs> ... options.
Sep 25 06:41:30 <cryptk> just putting it together may not have hurt it, I forget if they try and turn on once the battery is put in
Sep 25 06:41:33 <ixs> In case the thing is half way alive I was hoping on novacomd and a flash dump. If this is not an option I thought about desoldering the flash chips and seeing if I can salvage something. possibly use an usb stick and replace the flash...
Sep 25 06:41:55 <ixs> it doesn't turn on automatically... but...
Sep 25 06:42:03 <cryptk> shouldn't hurt it any more then
Sep 25 06:42:37 <cryptk> I would let it finish drying out, (some people bake them in an oven, I know Rahul Sood has done it with a Pre that he got wet)
Sep 25 06:43:03 <cryptk> he mentioned it when he was a guest on a podcast, forget if it was PreCentral or WebosRoundup
Sep 25 06:43:44 <cryptk> if it doesn't turn on, if you have a friend with a pre, try their battery
Sep 25 06:43:53 <cryptk> if that works, then just get a new battery
Sep 25 06:44:02 <cryptk> I have had that work for several peoples phones
Sep 25 06:44:04 <ixs> ohh hell. I am not going to bake the thing... And buying a new one or so is not a problem if it is flakey or so... All I am caring about are the pics. :D
Sep 25 06:44:20 <ixs> but thanks for the pointers. will try them.
Sep 25 06:44:36 <SineOt> desiccant gel packs are nice to have around too
Sep 25 06:44:40 <SineOt> if you happen to have any
Sep 25 06:44:40 <cryptk> hrm... not sure of how to get the pics off without turning it on
Sep 25 06:44:57 <cryptk> yes, those work wonders, but few people have enough of them to do the trick
Sep 25 06:45:35 <ixs> but hey, back when I'm home in amsterdam or so... which will be in a few days... I have most of the good tools at home, but right now it's vacation time on the Balkan... and no equipment...
Sep 25 06:47:09 <cryptk> people vacation in the Balkans?
Sep 25 06:47:40 <SineOt> yup
Sep 25 06:47:52 <cryptk> wow, never knew there was anything interesting there...
Sep 25 06:50:20 <SineOt> not everyone goes on vacation to see something interesting ;p
Sep 25 06:50:27 <SineOt> sometimes they go to get away from it, lol
Sep 25 06:50:57 <cryptk> true
Sep 25 06:51:00 <cryptk> like camping
Sep 25 06:51:11 <cryptk> not to see cool things, but to 'get away' for a bit
Sep 25 06:53:04 <ixs> cryptk: jupp. people go on vacation on the balkans. In my case what I visited were some nature parks, architecture, beautiful women(seem to have quite a few here. :D) etc. the usual... :D ohh, and I got a story to tell my kids in a few years. how the car I was in fell from a bridge and landed head first in a river and nobody drowned... :D
Sep 25 06:53:32 <ixs> in this case it wasn't camping though. I found I didn't like it anymore since I was hired by an online hotel reservation service. :D
Sep 25 06:54:11 <ixs> ohhh. I didn't visit the beautiful women. I visited the bars which featured them... takl about bad choice of words...
Sep 25 06:54:23 <cryptk> hahaha
Sep 25 06:54:45 <cryptk> anyways, my 'date' with sam (Samuel Adams, american beer) is over
Sep 25 06:54:51 <cryptk> and as such, time for me to sleep
Sep 25 06:55:01 <cryptk> ixs good luck with your wet pre
Sep 25 06:55:10 <ixs> thx. and good night to you.
Sep 25 07:09:17 <ryan[WIN]> wheeel in the skyyyy keeps on turrrrninnnn
Sep 25 07:22:18 <valexa> I don`t knowww where Ill be tomoooorrowwwwww
Sep 25 07:34:26 <jack87> hello peoples
Sep 25 08:14:18 <dtzWill> jack87: 'ello! :)
Sep 25 08:14:38 <jack87> Hi will
Sep 25 08:15:03 <jack87> dtzWill: love seeing your apps get attention!
Sep 25 08:18:14 <dtzWill> jack87: me too :D xD
Sep 25 08:18:19 <dtzWill> good for webos-internals too
Sep 25 08:19:54 <jack87> yup indeed! are you getting a lot of downloads now?
Sep 25 09:03:36 <dtzWill> jack87: some :)
Sep 25 09:10:11 <oil> rwhitby: hey
Sep 25 09:57:34 <rwhitby> oil: hey
Sep 25 10:51:04 <Darkmagister> it's possible to change all the theme of the phone from palm light to palm dark ??? for all the app ???
Sep 25 13:03:52 <MetaView> hi
Sep 25 14:00:04 <rboatright> hi
Sep 25 14:00:16 <nammyunh> hullo folks
Sep 25 14:00:24 <krushia_> oh hai
Sep 25 14:01:37 <rboatright> hi back
Sep 25 14:05:54 <nammyunh> I had a question about preware 1.3.8 - it look like something borked with the app catalog on my pre plus - I can't install any app updates, or, indeed, open the list of installed apps from the app catalog. Uninstalling preware seems to fix this, though I never had a problem before, say, two days ago or so.  It's probably something else on my side, but I was just wondering whether anyone else has reported something similar
Sep 25 14:08:40 <rboatright> ouch.
Sep 25 14:10:40 <nammyunh> new apps install fine, fwiw.
Sep 25 14:11:48 <rboatright> uh...  me too? wow. rod won't be around for another 5 hrs or so. post a note in the thread at precentral
Sep 25 14:15:13 <krushia_> hmm... i have that issue too. i can install updates individually in the catalog, but cant open the updates app with the full list
Sep 25 14:16:27 <krushia_> well it opens but gives me the fail screen after a few secs
Sep 25 14:16:51 <nammyunh> yup that's what I get.
Sep 25 14:17:15 <rboatright> me too
Sep 25 14:17:36 <rboatright> post an error report please...
Sep 25 14:18:03 <nammyunh> will check precentral and post a bug post, if someone hasn't already
Sep 25 14:27:41 <krushia_> [2010-09-25 14:24:12] (LunaSysMgr) user.crit: com.palm.app.findapps: Error: CatalogServer._callServer {"errorCodes": "DISC0025", "message": "Could not locate the application"}, palmInitFramework347:2527
Sep 25 14:28:03 <krushia_> thats the error logged
Sep 25 14:36:01 <nammyunh> I cheched pre central and the thread there suggests that it's a bug on Palm's side: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/245792-preware-1-x-50.html
Sep 25 14:45:55 <MetaView> I wonder what is preware using to apply patches?
Sep 25 14:46:15 <MetaView> something internal or a separate command?
Sep 25 15:05:08 <MetaView> how can I get the patch command on my Palm Pixi without network access?
Sep 25 16:35:10 <ka6sox> its waaaaaaaay too early....
Sep 25 16:35:39 <halfhalo> oh shush you
Sep 25 16:35:50 <halfhalo> its 9:30
Sep 25 16:36:14 * halfhalo hands ka6sox coffee
Sep 25 16:44:24 * ka6sox gulps the coffee and asks for another
Sep 25 16:46:23 * halfhalo sends ka6sox a whole pot o coffee
Sep 25 17:35:46 <actionfigure> :)
Sep 25 17:35:48 <actionfigure> help!
Sep 25 17:35:51 <actionfigure> on linux
Sep 25 17:36:09 <actionfigure> installed eclipse, virtualbox, sdk, java, and i have firefox and chrome
Sep 25 17:36:15 <actionfigure> emulator works but its super slow
Sep 25 17:36:29 <actionfigure> and firefox and chrome do not work properly
Sep 25 17:36:55 <actionfigure> firefox wil not produce all the folders that it should so i cant go back and continue working
Sep 25 17:37:05 <actionfigure> chrome does the same thing and i can not upload images
Sep 25 17:37:22 <actionfigure> eclipse doesnt look like ares at all..
Sep 25 17:37:24 <actionfigure> anyone :(
Sep 25 17:48:38 <Guest49066> im trying to install and download the preware but when i install the preware bit on the webos quick install it says there is no device found yet my pre is on developer mode 'enabled' and its plugged in and i've followed the instructions
Sep 25 19:25:35 <jhojho> proof that a palm pre runs at -25C
Sep 25 19:25:37 <jhojho> http://twitpic.com/2rxc60
Sep 25 21:07:39 <jack87> ka6sox: are you here my friend?
Sep 25 21:49:59 <ka6sox> jack87, yeppers
Sep 25 21:50:21 <jack87> ka6sox: how have you been?
Sep 25 21:50:32 <nodejs-log> Hello ka6sox!
Sep 25 21:50:37 <halfhalo> :p
Sep 25 21:52:07 <ka6sox> tired but okay
Sep 25 22:53:17 <SineOt> sconix: a bit of an odd question, I'm sure: but would it be possible at some point to have both Mode Switcher and Advanced launcher prefs work together? I have a "driving" mode, and it'd be awesome to have it also switch to using larger icons :x
Sep 25 23:18:27 <jack87> SineOt: that would require for the phone to do a luna restart you should contact the dev for mode switcher and see if that is something he wants to do.
Sep 25 23:18:58 <SineOt> uh, you can change the icon size with the Advanced Launcher Prefs that sconix wrote without a luna restart
Sep 25 23:19:18 <jack87> Oh nice.. I havent played with that feature yet
Sep 25 23:19:44 <SineOt> you can change basically everything that used to require a separate patch to do in the preferences for it
Sep 25 23:20:56 <SineOt> also sconix developed both of them so hence my asking :p
Sep 25 23:21:48 <jack87> Haha.. very intresting I hope he gets back to you
Sep 25 23:22:16 <jack87> I wonder if he would be intrested in making presets by collecting info from users
Sep 25 23:22:26 <jack87> Customizable presets :)
Sep 25 23:23:32 <jack87> Driving/Work/Class/Low signal/Airplane/Meeting
Sep 25 23:24:54 <SineOt> Mode Switcher is already incredibly customizable
Sep 25 23:25:49 <SineOt> I've got a class mode that turns on five minutes before classes start, and off 5 minutes before they end that silences everything, puts email notification on mute, and vibration for sms/calls, opens the calendar and a task app :p
Sep 25 23:26:10 <jack87> SineOt: I know.. but it is only customizable. I am talking about coming stock with presets.
Sep 25 23:26:31 <SineOt> Driving mode turns on when it's connected to a car charger and there's a headphone jack plugged in, sets the media volume and opens 1-touch dial and Slacker~
Sep 25 23:26:52 <jack87> so like collecting some preset configs from users who have already made some custom settings like some common ones..
Sep 25 23:27:22 <SineOt> ah
Sep 25 23:27:29 <jack87> so for those who download mode switcher but dont want to create modes.. take advantage of some presets.. and simply customize them for their own needs
Sep 25 23:27:31 <SineOt> yeah, I think that was planned with the google docs export
Sep 25 23:27:41 <SineOt> but google docs didn't share quite like it was expected to
Sep 25 23:28:14 <jack87> anyway... I am going to hunt down some food. Have a good one.
Sep 26 00:07:11 <DThought> hmm
Sep 26 00:07:20 <DThought> in preware, the "stored pakage list"
Sep 26 00:07:46 <DThought> how do i use that to restore all packages i had before a reinstall?
Sep 26 00:14:48 <DThought> i seem all packages that  are from the catalog can't be installed that way...?
Sep 26 01:14:28 <Vince42> is there a way to manually remove a patch that won't update anymore? I already removed all patches manually - but this one remains.
Sep 26 01:19:26 <scoutcamper> is rwhitby arround?
Sep 26 02:04:55 <oc80z> yoh
Sep 26 02:04:56 <oc80z> whats good
Sep 26 02:36:03 <oc80z> need input
Sep 26 02:36:38 <SineOt> input on what
Sep 26 02:38:00 <oc80z> partitions bootie uses.
Sep 26 02:38:15 <oc80z> eg, installer, autoboot, bootfile
Sep 26 02:39:07 <chrisA> hm?
Sep 26 02:41:00 <oc80z> whats the partition size of initramfs partition
Sep 26 02:41:12 <oc80z> 4mb?
Sep 26 02:44:02 <oc80z> wiki needs much more documentation.
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