**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 13 02:59:57 2010
Oct 13 03:28:22 <summatusmentis> hi all, has anyone found a good fix for the text message conversations not showing up when you open them?
Oct 13 03:28:34 <SineOt> I've never run into that :(
Oct 13 03:29:07 <summatusmentis> I get texts, and the preview shows up in the conversations view, but when I try to open it, I just get a blank screen
Oct 13 03:29:27 <summatusmentis> also, people are reporting they're not getting my texts, but I'm not necessarily sure that's related
Oct 13 03:29:28 <SineOt> do you have any patches for the messaging app installed?
Oct 13 03:30:54 <summatusmentis> I just uninstalled the one card per convo app
Oct 13 03:31:04 <summatusmentis> the other one I've got is character count
Oct 13 03:31:29 <SineOt> did you restart after that?
Oct 13 03:31:34 <SineOt> I had trouble with the one card per convo app
Oct 13 03:31:35 <summatusmentis> yep
Oct 13 03:31:40 <summatusmentis> oh really? :(
Oct 13 03:31:47 <summatusmentis> I like the concept
Oct 13 03:31:54 <SineOt> yeah, the concept is awesome
Oct 13 03:32:02 <SineOt> the execution... leaves a little to be desired
Oct 13 03:32:35 <summatusmentis> bummer
Oct 13 03:32:47 <summatusmentis> is there an alternative? or not really?
Oct 13 03:33:00 <SineOt> not really
Oct 13 03:33:19 <summatusmentis> awesome
Oct 13 03:34:44 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: re: your question about dependencies.  yes, preware understands and honours dependencies.  Other install tools do not.
Oct 13 03:35:51 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: so, for instance, if a "frontend" app were dependent on some stuff in optware + a service, that could all be worked out in preware?
Oct 13 03:36:03 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 13 03:36:12 <summatusmentis> cool
Oct 13 03:36:27 <rwhitby> patches, for example, are dependent on two other packages being installed
Oct 13 03:36:28 <summatusmentis> how do the html/js frontend apps interact with services?
Oct 13 03:36:36 <rwhitby> openssh is dependent on a couple of packages
Oct 13 03:36:50 <rwhitby> preware itself used to depend on a service when the service was separate
Oct 13 03:37:59 <summatusmentis> from what I can tell, javacript can't directly call the command line, correct?
Oct 13 03:42:30 <rwhitby> correct, that would be a huge security vulnerability
Oct 13 03:44:09 <summatusmentis> so... I don't have a lot of background, but if I wanted to provide kerberos access to a webos app, would it be possible to write it in the sdk? or would it have to be entire pdk for securtiy reasons
Oct 13 03:52:54 <rwhitby> I suspect you'd want to do a hybrid
Oct 13 03:54:00 <SineOt> sure hope that 2.0 isn't too far off :(
Oct 13 03:54:07 <SineOt> (and that it ships with working hybrid apps for Pixi)
Oct 13 04:00:38 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: how are hybrids supposed to work?
Oct 13 04:01:21 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=tree
Oct 13 04:10:14 <summatusmentis> can I install packages from the command line? or is that not allowed?
Oct 13 04:10:43 <summatusmentis> can ipkg still be used?
Oct 13 04:14:29 <ka6sox-work> ipkg install still works from command line
Oct 13 04:17:59 <summatusmentis> cool :)
Oct 13 05:32:24 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: you must use the correct -o option, and will need to run postinst and prerm manually
Oct 13 05:32:37 <rwhitby> It's really best to use Preware to install ipkg files
Oct 13 05:33:00 <rwhitby> just put the ipkg file on the USB drive, and select it with the Install Package menu item in Preware
Oct 13 05:39:05 <swisstomcat> morningmorning
Oct 13 05:44:04 <RagingMind> 'ello all
Oct 13 06:55:01 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: thanks
Oct 13 07:24:11 <playya_> anyone has a nice xorg.conf example for the xkeyboard-config from webos-internals?
Oct 13 08:43:06 <playya> the palm pre boots really fast if you use enlightenment
Oct 13 08:45:41 <swisstomcat> how so?
Oct 13 08:49:51 <playya> maybe because I'm running nearly no damons
Oct 13 09:59:54 <xota> hi! I've reinstall my Palm Pre with webosdoctor, and after select my language (in the Pre, te process was finished) I turn off my mobile taking the battery because the red button to turn off doesn't work. Now the phone doesn't turn on... it show the palm logo (as turning on) but withou beat
Oct 13 10:06:07 * bhuey needs to doctor his phone as well
Oct 13 10:07:00 <bhuey> that pre 2 would be a decent upgrade but it's nothing to scream about
Oct 13 13:47:57 <wysiwtf> hy fellas
Oct 13 13:49:28 <wysiwtf> installing the "media volume in device menu" patch did render the bluetooth/wlan switches in the top right menu not working anymore on my webos 1.4.5
Oct 13 13:49:53 <wysiwtf> took me ages to find out what causes it
Oct 13 16:00:48 * oilsworkn wonders if there is a patch for pandora so that it will not throw a banner and wake up the device whenever it changes songs
Oct 13 16:00:59 <halfhalo> make one
Oct 13 16:01:02 <oilsworkn> makes it hard to use it when mowing the lawn
Oct 13 16:01:08 <oilsworkn> keeps waking up in my pocket and doing random stuff
Oct 13 16:11:07 * oilsworkn wants for halfhalo to finish his patch
Oct 13 16:11:14 <oilsworkn> :)
Oct 13 16:11:50 <halfhalo> which patch what now?
Oct 13 16:12:01 <oilsworkn> pandora patch, go
Oct 13 16:12:06 <halfhalo> bah
Oct 13 16:12:13 <halfhalo> don't use pandora
Oct 13 16:12:48 <oilsworkn> ;(
Oct 13 16:33:45 <halfhalo> THATS finished for now, at least
Oct 13 16:34:05 <halfhalo> yay iframes!
Oct 13 16:36:36 <summatusmentis> so, how possible is is patching "default palm apps"?
Oct 13 16:36:55 <halfhalo> easy peasy generally
Oct 13 16:37:31 <summatusmentis> I was using an app on android which required answering a math question prior to turning off the alarm clock
Oct 13 16:37:46 <summatusmentis> would a patch that did that for the default palm alarm clock be possible?
Oct 13 16:38:37 <halfhalo> I do believe so, but it would be a pretty big patch
Oct 13 16:39:51 <summatusmentis> right
Oct 13 16:39:55 <summatusmentis> I understand that
Oct 13 16:57:08 * oilsworkn looks at halfhalo, looks at pandora, frowns
Oct 13 16:57:20 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 13 17:00:46 * halfhalo doesn't do patches
Oct 13 17:29:05 <summatusmentis> is it possible my pre won't go above 500Mhz?
Oct 13 17:29:13 <summatusmentis> govnah isn't properly scaling it, seemingly
Oct 13 17:29:27 <oilsworkn> hm?
Oct 13 17:29:43 <oilsworkn> govnah doesn't scale anything
Oct 13 17:30:11 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: well, ok, govnah is the one setting the profiles for uberkernel to scale
Oct 13 17:30:32 <summatusmentis> the point being, when I set it to 500/1000 in govnah, the pre just stays at 500 w/ the screen on
Oct 13 17:30:33 <oilsworkn> well, somewhat :)
Oct 13 17:30:36 <oilsworkn> close enough
Oct 13 17:30:44 <oilsworkn> you have uk installed?
Oct 13 17:30:46 <oilsworkn> and rebooted?
Oct 13 17:30:53 <summatusmentis> yes, on both counts, afaik
Oct 13 17:32:58 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: I just checked, I do have UberKernel(Pre/Pre+) installed
Oct 13 17:35:03 <summatusmentis> oh
Oct 13 17:35:16 <summatusmentis> screenstate gets turned off when charging by default
Oct 13 17:36:29 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 13 18:16:05 <tenspd137> anyone home?
Oct 13 18:16:26 <halfhalo> Yup
Oct 13 18:17:02 <tenspd137> I have been having trouble installing WIDK.  I am hoping this is the right place to go.
Oct 13 18:17:35 <halfhalo> it is
Oct 13 18:18:51 <halfhalo> although I don't know if anyone is around to answer your qustions about widk right now
Oct 13 18:19:20 <tenspd137> *sigh* ok - thanks!
Oct 13 18:29:27 <sugardave> he probably should have waited
Oct 13 18:30:24 <halfhalo> he used webchat, never would have happened
Oct 13 18:31:45 <sugardave> oh yeah
Oct 13 18:43:12 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: what all needs to happen for an optware cs08q1armel arch app to be available for armv7?
Oct 13 18:57:21 <halfhalo> did you try just adding the feed to preware and see if stuff worked as is?
Oct 13 19:03:33 <summatusmentis> oh, no
Oct 13 19:03:55 <summatusmentis> I assumed the cs08q1armel was mirrored in the arv7/preware feed
Oct 13 19:04:21 <summatusmentis> armv7
Oct 13 19:33:46 <halfhalo> I don't hink it is
Oct 13 19:41:55 <Ted__> Helllo!
Oct 13 19:43:21 <Ted__> Can someone explain how Dr.Battery works?
Oct 13 19:44:18 <oil> magics
Oct 13 19:44:31 * halfhalo likes magics
Oct 13 19:44:47 * oil sprinkles a little bit into everything
Oct 13 19:45:05 <Ted__> I mean, what does recalibrating it do?
Oct 13 19:45:11 <oil> oh, i have no clue
Oct 13 19:45:17 <oil> it wasn't written by webos-internals
Oct 13 19:47:17 <Ted__> Haha, alright, thanks anyways!
Oct 13 19:47:36 <Ted__> And, I know! BUt you guys here ate 11000 times better then any forum for information.
Oct 13 19:48:21 <en0x> it has java service :(
Oct 13 19:50:20 <Ted__> Haha, again,thanks anyways!
Oct 13 19:50:23 <Ted__> Cheers!
Oct 13 19:53:16 <oil> en0x: i thought rwhitby helped him convert it to a c service and package it with the app so its one package
Oct 13 19:58:48 <en0x> idk i used the first version tho
Oct 13 19:58:48 <en0x> ;P
Oct 13 19:59:20 <en0x> ok time to go home...
Oct 13 19:59:21 <en0x> laterz
Oct 13 20:08:17 <JesusMcCloud> aloha.. i am having trouble here.. it started a few hours ago... as soon as i open up my messages application the touchscreen goes crazy (i even see the touch efect on varius spots) it keeps jumping everywhere in the right anyone ever eperienced this?
Oct 13 20:08:54 <oil> clean the screen
Oct 13 20:09:35 <oil> anything on it that can conduct electricity will appear to the device as a tap
Oct 13 20:09:38 <oil> so just clean it real good
Oct 13 20:10:07 <JesusMcCloud> polished it...
Oct 13 20:10:18 <JesusMcCloud> hope that was the only problem...
Oct 13 20:30:55 <JesusMcCloud> cleaning did not do the trick
Oct 13 20:32:43 <JesusMcCloud> my device still registers taps all over the place
Oct 13 20:33:07 <JesusMcCloud> i did not install any new software or anything, not vene reboot... nothing
Oct 13 20:33:15 <JesusMcCloud> and i can't use my phone that way
Oct 13 20:55:59 <Mara-afk> hmm
Oct 13 21:00:56 * Mara-afk waves at SineOt 
Oct 13 21:05:18 <SineOt> hey
Oct 13 21:05:24 <SineOt> you pick up a Pixi?
Oct 13 21:06:00 <Marajin> SineOt: yeah it's on order, should deliver tomorrow
Oct 13 21:06:07 <SineOt> Cool :9
Oct 13 21:06:17 <SineOt> You picked a good time to get one, the OC kernel is pretty awesome
Oct 13 21:06:26 <Marajin> heh :)
Oct 13 21:07:06 <SineOt> speaking of which: jhojho, I don't know if it's related to the v16 test kernel or not, but this morning I was having issues where on charger, it... Wouldn't charge. Usage would drop to -2mA, but never above 0.
Oct 13 21:07:18 <SineOt> A reboot and new memboot seems to have fixed it though.
Oct 13 21:10:29 <Marajin> anyway I'm gonna get an early night tonight mate
Oct 13 21:10:36 <Marajin> really nearly overslept this morning
Oct 13 21:10:54 * Marajin waves.
Oct 13 21:10:58 <Marajin> catcha around
Oct 13 21:11:05 <Marajin> I'll letcha know if my pixi arrives ;)
Oct 13 21:12:59 <SineOt> okay
Oct 13 21:13:00 <SineOt> night~
Oct 13 21:23:54 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 13 21:24:42 <halfhalo> morning
Oct 13 21:24:45 <SineOt> morning
Oct 13 21:44:16 <Amaranth> afternoon
Oct 13 21:44:18 <Amaranth> :P
Oct 13 22:04:07 <Mousey> webos has java right?
Oct 13 22:04:47 <SineOt> yes but not really
Oct 13 22:04:51 <Mousey> rats
Oct 13 22:05:03 <Mousey> there go my ambitions of porting minecraft ^_^
Oct 13 22:05:12 <SineOt> heh
Oct 13 22:05:19 <SineOt> that would run so bad :p
Oct 13 22:05:31 <Mousey> pessimist!
Oct 13 22:06:00 * Mousey plays Space Beta instead
Oct 13 22:06:23 <SineOt> it would! XD
Oct 13 22:06:33 <SineOt> it runs terrible on a 2.16ghz GMA950 Macbook
Oct 13 22:06:46 <Mousey> lol mac
Oct 14 02:05:52 <summatusmentis> if I were interested in providing webos front-ends for current linux software, what would be the best way of going about it?
Oct 14 02:06:28 * halfhalo goess to make an ubuntu livecd remaster with the express purpose of metadoctor
Oct 14 02:06:57 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: hybrid comes to mind
Oct 14 02:07:21 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: I only kind of know what hybrid is
Oct 14 02:07:21 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: although pdk works too, depends on your UI req/ideas/etc
Oct 14 02:10:12 <summatusmentis> hrm... hrm... how does hybrid work?
Oct 14 02:11:10 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: i'm no expert on the details, but essentially it's the combination of a webos (sdk, html/js/etc) frontend with a native c/c++ backend.
Oct 14 02:11:25 <summatusmentis> do you have any idea how they interact?
Oct 14 02:11:33 <dtzWill> through some kind of service interface, i'm not sure of the lifetime of the plugin ....
Oct 14 02:11:41 <summatusmentis> hrm
Oct 14 02:11:41 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: no, not enough to properly answer your questions.
Oct 14 02:11:47 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: look at wirc it's a hybrid
Oct 14 02:12:03 <dtzWill> afaik it's the only/best example of a hybrid out there. it's authors oil and PuffTheMagic can probably help you more if you ask nicely :)
Oct 14 02:12:09 <summatusmentis> I'm considering a network filesystem "hub" app
Oct 14 02:12:37 <oil> well, hybrid with service, or hybrid with plugin
Oct 14 02:12:58 <oil> one is homebrew only but has more access, the other will be allowed in the catalog but is jailed
Oct 14 02:12:59 <summatusmentis> what's the difference?
Oct 14 02:13:04 <summatusmentis> oh
Oct 14 02:13:14 <summatusmentis> jailed to what extent?
Oct 14 02:13:26 <oil> same as all pdk im pretty sure
Oct 14 02:13:30 <oil> though i dont know all the rules
Oct 14 02:13:30 <summatusmentis> ah
Oct 14 02:13:41 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: not being rude, but you might want to also browse some of the palm documentation on this. if nothing else it should be a useful resource :)
Oct 14 02:14:02 <dtzWill> *not trying to be :(
Oct 14 02:14:02 <summatusmentis> I'm fairly certain it'd need to be homebrew, as the idea is to use some linux utilities as they are
Oct 14 02:14:09 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: ah, kk.
Oct 14 02:14:42 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: no no, I have read around a bit, the palm website is hard to navigate
Oct 14 02:15:04 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: view the developer day videos on PDK and hybrid apps
Oct 14 02:15:12 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: ain't that the truth. :). okay i really wasn't trying to send you away or anything of the sort, but just that some of this might be there and usefully so :).
Oct 14 02:19:01 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: I appreciate the pointer
Oct 14 02:19:14 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: ah, I don't usually look to video for documentation, thanks
Oct 14 02:23:10 <rwhitby> the developer day videos are the best source of information about webOS there i
Oct 14 02:23:11 <rwhitby> s
Oct 14 02:35:47 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: cool, I'll keep that in mind
Oct 14 02:36:28 <summatusmentis> oh, rwhitby, while you're here, is inadyn available for the armv7 arch?
Oct 14 02:38:42 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: just ipkg-opt install it
Oct 14 02:39:28 <summatusmentis> that was a different arch
Oct 14 02:39:38 <rwhitby> (using the Optware Advanced Command Line Linux Installer from Preware)
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