**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 02:59:57 2010 Oct 18 03:43:57 Hey Oct 18 03:45:49 was wondering if aneyone had any idea why I'm not getting a full file listing from the webos-internals git version control feed in preware Oct 18 03:47:25 preware !git Oct 18 03:48:02 preware does not use the git repo for it listings. Oct 18 03:48:16 ok Oct 18 03:48:40 ipkg.preware.org/feeds is where the feeds are Oct 18 03:52:56 and there goes the router Oct 18 03:55:01 ok so preware does not pull data from the get server but it does pull from some sub version server? Oct 18 03:57:08 well my final goal is to get stella up and running on this pixie but preware is only pulling some of the folders Oct 18 04:04:47 stella? Oct 18 04:06:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Stella Oct 18 04:07:29 What about it Oct 18 04:08:07 Besides the awesomeness it looks like Oct 18 04:08:32 still not fully fimilar with the webOS system and installing Stella is proving to be a little more difficult to install than initially planned Oct 18 04:09:31 The application is not appearing in the webos-internals preware feed Oct 18 04:09:47 you are trying to install it to a pixi ? Oct 18 04:10:16 Pixi can run stuff? Oct 18 04:10:25 * oil is a little surprised he has never seen stella before, yet its on the wiki :/ Oct 18 04:10:31 yes Oct 18 04:10:45 Shamw on you oil Oct 18 04:10:54 the last time that page was updated was 2/2010 .. isn't that before pixi was running pdk stuff ? Oct 18 04:13:34 * halfhalo goes back to hulu on the ps3 Oct 18 04:14:23 is the repository that the pixie is pulling from not including stella because it is incompitable (or was when the application was prodeced)? Oct 18 04:14:42 Most likely Oct 18 04:17:38 also (another shot in the dark here) could grabing the ipk from the pre repository prove fruitful if the reason it is not loading is solely due to the fact the pixie listing hasent been updated? Or would a seperate build be nessary. Oct 18 04:18:14 A seperate build is needed for pdk apps Oct 18 04:18:28 ok Oct 18 04:18:29 it would be a separate build .. Oct 18 04:18:41 thanks for the info Oct 18 04:19:44 Yay pdk! Oct 18 04:28:48 well thanks for the help. (also found the http address of the server) and as was expected the Stella ipk is not located in the pixie's armv6/ directory but rather in the armv7/ Oct 18 04:30:27 you could feel free to try to compile for armv6 and the pixi platform and see if it works .. if it doesn't, the stuff should all be open Oct 18 04:31:00 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/stella.git;a=summary - git info there Oct 18 04:31:28 yah, already have a snapshot of the current revision Oct 18 04:33:04 I might have to do this another time seeing as I'm not thinking 100% being hoped up on Hydrocoding from the removal of my wisdom teeth Oct 18 04:33:26 codone* Oct 18 05:59:57 IRC client for the pre is great! thanks for the hard work Oct 18 06:01:13 :) Oct 18 06:02:47 hey ghostinator, thanks for the TCP text Oct 18 06:03:29 np,ill make it more end user friendly and hopefully get some speed testing/network throughput testing done Oct 18 06:09:51 what testing? Oct 18 06:10:16 (i already put what he posted in govnah) Oct 18 06:10:17 just stick with cubic. it's mostly okay. Oct 18 06:11:19 it's a good default, but my experience westwood is much better on my EVDO connection. VENO seems good as well Oct 18 06:12:17 that's like sticking with the stock kernel,it does the job as well. :D Oct 18 06:13:50 i went through months ago and did throughput testing on all the different algos Oct 18 06:14:28 I guess I missed that Oct 18 06:14:44 * oil doesnt think he posted it :) Oct 18 06:15:27 yeah. long story short Oct 18 06:15:32 stick with cubic Oct 18 06:15:52 of course, you are welcome to use whatever you want Oct 18 06:16:01 but that's what i would tell people. Oct 18 06:16:27 reading about capabilities != testing said capabilities Oct 18 06:19:06 I mainly wanted to know what each one did and didn't see a compiled source. then I saw no info in the help file and couldnt sit idle Oct 18 06:19:13 how would you even go about testing that? Oct 18 06:20:25 use a tool Oct 18 06:20:41 gee wiz really :T Oct 18 06:20:50 file transfers through sftp I suppose, I have a speedtest app that is somewhat reliable Oct 18 06:20:56 I was thinking about holding it out the window to see if the bits flew faster Oct 18 06:21:12 I haven't put too much thought into it to be honest Oct 18 06:21:34 I do that sometimes to cool the cpu.. it gets hot in Florida Oct 18 06:22:00 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=network+throughput+testing Oct 18 06:22:58 that's so helpful :'3 Oct 18 06:23:13 it's not like I was asking how you went about testing it on the phone or anything Oct 18 06:23:45 haha, k guys I gotta go to bed, gotta work in the am and it's already 2am here. Oct 18 07:03:06 morning Oct 18 07:28:37 So, I had a palm device with a spanish GSM board in it (not paid catalog). I logged in with a profile, and got the free app catalog. I then put an unlocked AT&T comms board in it, and didn't change anything else (i.e. it's still a P100UEU, carrier ROW). It now sees the US Paid app catalog. Oct 18 07:30:42 hmm Oct 18 07:30:45 interesting Oct 18 07:31:11 The profile now has three phones registered on it. Oct 18 07:31:49 A Sprint Pre, an EU GSM Pre, and an AT&T PrePlus (except that it's actually a Pre) Oct 18 07:32:24 hah Oct 18 07:32:25 what? Oct 18 07:32:40 oh Oct 18 07:32:48 the profile has Country: USA Oct 18 07:33:03 Next I'll try activating that device with a Country: UK profile Oct 18 07:33:27 isn't it just the country of first activation together with the IMEI? Oct 18 07:33:40 that defines which app catalog Oct 18 07:38:40 that's what I'm going to determine, whether the country listed in the profile has any effect, or whether it's just the IMEI/MEID, and where that identifier was first registered, irrespective of anything else already in the profile Oct 18 07:40:21 if it's just the IMEI/MEID, and the device type or profile country doesn't matter, then that makes it easier to do a pre2 comms board swap if they are electrically and physically compatible Oct 18 07:42:49 i thought it was the country of first activation .. don't they have a paid app catalog in spain? Oct 18 07:46:21 yes, but that was a different GSM card, and when you use that GSM card, the app catalog requires an EU credit card. Now with the unlocked AT&T GSM card, it asks for a US credit card Oct 18 07:53:51 ah, because you put the different card in Oct 18 07:53:56 gsm card Oct 18 07:54:03 yep Oct 18 07:54:40 and the at&t comms board was activated in the us? Oct 18 07:54:44 I can put an EU GSM which was activated in Australia, a CDMA which was activated in US, or a US GSM which was activated in US Oct 18 07:55:49 the eu gsm card won't lead to paid apps tho, right? Oct 18 07:58:24 correct - I only get free apps on that one Oct 18 07:59:20 excellent - I get US Paid on the UK profile too Oct 18 08:00:10 cool Oct 18 08:00:18 profile doesn't have influence then Oct 18 08:00:33 So, the Country listed in your Palm Profile has no bearing on app catalog access. Oct 18 08:02:16 Looks like the Model is tied to the DeviceID, and has no connection to the real model. Oct 18 08:02:33 I have an AT&T comms board in a Pre-, and it says Pre+ Oct 18 08:03:53 isn't the deviceid "just" a hash of the mac? Oct 18 08:05:59 no Oct 18 08:06:08 DeviceID in your palm profile is the IMEI or MEID Oct 18 08:06:26 which is permanently encoded on the comms board processor, not in the NVRAM Oct 18 08:06:40 nduid is permanently in the OMAP Oct 18 08:06:48 and everything else is just NVRAM tokens Oct 18 08:06:53 i see Oct 18 08:08:15 now, my next experiment will be to make a Palm Pre report a Palm Pixi comms board DeviceID during activation, and see if it then sees the Pixi app catalog instead of the Palm app catalog, even though the DMMODEL is P100UEU Oct 18 08:09:16 I wonder if Pre2 apps will have a separate part of the app catalog like Pre/Pixi does. Oct 18 08:09:28 or whether they will just see the Pre catalog Oct 18 08:09:30 good question Oct 18 08:09:53 i think they have to: node stuff, new crud api, ... Oct 18 08:10:10 but that would be webOS version, not device type, Oct 18 08:10:26 I'm talking device type: Pre/Pixi/Pre2? Oct 18 08:11:01 right Oct 18 08:11:04 guess it depends on what processor it really does have in it Oct 18 08:11:23 would 2.0 pdk apps run on 1.4.5? Oct 18 08:11:42 no idea, and couldn't say in here anyway Oct 18 08:12:56 if the pre2 had additional hardware ... Oct 18 08:13:09 with specific features Oct 18 08:13:26 pre2 isnt that much different from pre to require a different part Oct 18 08:13:37 maybe if the resolution was different Oct 18 08:13:39 does it have a compass? Oct 18 08:14:16 no public report or leak has mentioned one Oct 18 08:28:16 adding some webos-internals stuff to my front-trends presentation Oct 18 08:32:15 * bhuey can't wait for any new device on Sprint Oct 18 08:33:20 * oil would upgrade to pre2 on sprint Oct 18 08:33:29 same here Oct 18 08:33:39 they really hosed us Oct 18 08:34:17 * oil would have upgraded to a plus already if it was offered Oct 18 08:37:26 i assume that the pre2 will come to sprint Oct 18 08:37:36 and i hope for o2 too .. unlocked :) Oct 18 08:51:38 bbl Oct 18 09:09:09 screen size on it still sucks though Oct 18 09:09:28 webos browser is so os Oct 18 09:09:30 so so **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 12:30:01 2010 Oct 18 16:44:32 anyone know of the app that allows you to encrypt a message on one phone, then send it to another pre that knows the password to decrypt? for private messaging? Oct 18 16:45:54 I remember seeing it, but I can't remember what the name was Oct 18 17:06:33 hmm Oct 18 17:08:57 hey Marajin Oct 18 17:09:00 how's the Pixi? :p Oct 18 17:12:16 lol my buddy got a pixi and then came over and saw my pre and was like why the hell did I get this phone again, I sas like lmao Oct 18 17:13:32 for me? better keyboard, better battery life, better size, no hinge to break~ Oct 18 17:14:21 ya I do like those features, I hope the pre2 has better structure to it Oct 18 17:15:00 that's why I'm like, way curious about this rumored "Broadway" device that says it has a fixed, nonremovable battery and Pixi screen resolution Oct 18 17:15:06 SineOtter: it's totally going out of time sync and it turns itself off once or twice a day Oct 18 17:15:11 that thing could be waaaaaaaaaaaaay thin Oct 18 17:15:28 I think you got a dud! Doctored it yet? Oct 18 17:15:34 no Oct 18 17:15:35 not yet Oct 18 17:15:39 it is running faster Oct 18 17:16:06 any news on sprint getting any of these nee devices? Oct 18 17:16:06 I didn't install much to it beyond a coupla patches and the WH kernel Oct 18 17:16:19 new* Oct 18 17:16:47 no, but I'd say it's probably a decent bet on it happening given that Sprint missed out on all the + devices (or so I hope) Oct 18 17:17:09 I would think and hope too Oct 18 17:17:14 yeah, it shouldn't be THAT unstable with so little done to it. It also shouldn't be having time drift like that Oct 18 17:35:05 SineOtter: oh it's losing like a half hour a day it's crazy Oct 18 17:35:28 SineOtter: apologies for the pause, got sidetracked doing a coupla demo videos for minecraft/runcraft to upload to yootoobs Oct 18 17:36:02 whhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaat, half an hour a day is insane Oct 18 17:37:24 SineOtter: yeah it's as if the clock just ... /stops/ at some point and doesn't kick in till I unsuspend my pixi Oct 18 17:37:30 overall I'm quite liking the pixi Oct 18 17:37:37 the keyboard is far nicer, I see what people meant Oct 18 17:38:17 yeah it is, it's a lot more firm and the keys are raised farther. You'd think it'd be harder to use with it being smaller than the one on the Pre, but that's really not the case Oct 18 17:38:39 pixi is nice Oct 18 17:39:06 my sis has it Oct 18 17:39:37 you get it set up for tethering, enox? I think it was you who was wanting to do that~ Oct 18 17:40:20 no i did not... it is as it is... i havent had a chaance to tether is and my sis don't want it... Oct 18 17:40:34 cos she is hooking up to someone else wifi lol Oct 18 17:42:18 lol Oct 18 17:42:28 someone else's wifi: the best thing Oct 18 17:42:56 yap ;D Oct 18 17:43:12 if u don't protect it... nobody will ;d Oct 18 17:43:14 Its like free monies Oct 18 17:43:17 Bah, my own wifi with a proper key, WPA2, and an 18M pipe is nicer. :) Oct 18 17:43:27 (But then, I'm paranoid.) Oct 18 17:43:40 i just use mac filtering on my wifi Oct 18 17:43:44 no encryption Oct 18 17:43:55 nobody hacked to my wifi in over 5 yrs lol Oct 18 17:43:55 en0x: Ah, so no security. Oct 18 17:43:59 I use... a shotgun Oct 18 17:44:37 Mercury: yeah, your own wifi is nice, but when that's not working... lol Oct 18 17:44:49 I see someone on my network and bam, down the go Oct 18 17:45:00 my gf spent a week without internet because Time Warner couldn't tell a connection from a hole in the ground Oct 18 17:45:25 "network outage in the area" my ass :B if your engineers take a week to fix something like that maybe you need new engineers :B Oct 18 17:45:27 lol Oct 18 17:45:30 Its tw what did you expect Oct 18 17:45:39 they don't get paid enough Oct 18 17:45:46 the same thing is at our university too Oct 18 17:45:52 we fix issues within a week Oct 18 17:46:08 ;d Oct 18 17:46:10 that if the cable internet goes out that it'd at least have the decency to make the cable TV go out too! Oct 18 17:46:26 because it's awesome to know your internet is dead but you can still buy a 9.99 movie on demand :B Oct 18 17:46:29 Lol Oct 18 17:46:46 Hey its cable that's what they do Oct 18 17:46:49 i don't remember when was a last time I bought a movie on demand Oct 18 17:47:16 I just watch the free stuff on demand, because for movies it's like... I'll walk down the street to Redbox and pay a buck for it instead Oct 18 17:47:19 I did recently off of direct tv Oct 18 17:48:06 I just -love- that Time Warner is playing up the fact that ondemand gets movies before redbox, when it's Time Warner's and other cable/sat companies lobbying the studios that put the 28 day delay in place to begin with :9 Oct 18 17:48:48 well that's because their scared of the big bad digital download Oct 18 17:49:28 so they block redbox from renting new releases for 28 days? :p Oct 18 17:49:45 Don't judge my logic Oct 18 17:49:50 Its sound Oct 18 17:49:53 Ish Oct 18 17:49:59 heh i get movies on torrents even before it gets on ondemand or redbox ;p Oct 18 17:50:15 Wow swype recognizes ish? Oct 18 17:50:32 you know how painful movies on torrents are with 2mbps DSL? really, really, really painful Oct 18 17:50:46 Sprint 4G in the area pulls like 6-7mbps :C Oct 18 17:50:55 Torrents are bad, mkay Oct 18 17:51:21 newsgroups are superior no doubt Oct 18 17:51:34 Sprint 4g just pulled three here in socal Oct 18 17:51:53 toooooooootally reading the linux mailing list with that 365 day binary retention :V Oct 18 17:52:04 halfhalo: where at? Anaheim? Oct 18 17:52:04 Which is cool since I only had one bar Oct 18 17:52:25 Nope, in the sf valley Oct 18 17:52:33 ah Oct 18 17:53:13 they've got it rolled out in Fullerton/Anaheim right now in "secret" I guess, but there's a hill that's JUST tall enough to make sure you can't get 4G at the house :C Oct 18 17:53:36 Its all the same service area Oct 18 17:54:00 no bars here.... Oct 18 17:54:08 Psh Oct 18 17:54:09 100miles *west* of LA. Oct 18 17:54:28 That's because it doesn't love you Oct 18 17:54:48 Its pretty fast/nice though Oct 18 17:55:35 ka6sox, isn't 100 miles *west* of LA out in the middle of the ocean ?_? Oct 18 17:55:37 clear put some ads in boston Oct 18 17:55:46 get wireless net for 35 bucks a month Oct 18 17:56:03 SineOtter, nope... Oct 18 17:56:20 okay its 285 not 270 Oct 18 17:56:22 Eh, doesn't work at my house really yet though Oct 18 17:56:49 Now he's making numbers up again Oct 18 17:56:52 SineOtter: It depends a lot on what direction west you go _exactly_, it's easy to miss and end up in the water. Oct 18 17:57:07 or where in LA you start measuring from! Oct 18 17:57:23 I'm going to assume you're measuring from down town which would be like Malibu and stuff Oct 18 17:57:34 SineOtter: I don't know how big those islands are. Oct 18 17:57:38 I would go from lax Oct 18 17:58:50 the channel islands? they're pretty big Oct 18 18:00:08 they're also -really- empty so expecting coverage out there is kind of :p Oct 18 18:01:20 Verizon has a Cell Site on Santa Cruz Island. Oct 18 18:01:46 *all* the fishermen are on Verizon Oct 18 18:02:16 And so are the fish Oct 18 18:02:24 and the seals! Oct 18 18:02:46 Birds are on tmobile though Oct 18 18:02:49 ... And possibly the sea otters too. Heard rumors that there might have been a sea otter in newport bay which would be -awesome- Oct 18 18:03:13 birds only went with tmo since they can add lines for 5$, since there's so many of them Oct 18 18:03:29 It needs to be training more right now Oct 18 18:03:51 Stop sucking swype Oct 18 18:04:09 its only a 3 mile swath between the mountains and the sea. Oct 18 18:04:14 okay bbl Oct 18 18:04:36 He drive into the ocean Oct 18 18:05:10 Swype is making me type like a 5 year old... Oct 18 18:05:29 swiper no swypee! Oct 18 18:06:09 Hah Oct 18 18:23:34 evening Oct 18 18:38:28 so when a docter is done to a pre does it replace all file system directories? replace kernel changes too? Oct 18 18:39:49 xbonesx: yes.. Oct 18 18:40:57 and xbonesx, there is no need to send the same message to both webos channels Oct 18 18:41:38 lol well some people chill in one and not the other, yes i know the big dogs do but the big dogs dont always answer quesitons right away Oct 18 18:42:00 And it also bugs everyone else Oct 18 18:42:11 choose the channel that it belongs into the most and post it there Oct 18 18:42:55 my apologies Oct 18 18:43:09 thank you for the reply though! :) Oct 18 19:16:28 I'm trying to follow the instructions from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH about how to be able to ssh into your pre, and I've done everything it says, and my keys are working, but I keep getting a password prompt Oct 18 19:16:36 does anyone have any ideas? Oct 18 19:17:01 what os are you sshing from? Oct 18 19:19:49 OS X Oct 18 19:20:05 just from Terminal.app Oct 18 19:22:42 halfhalo: ignore me, I'm stupid, my dyndns isn't updating Oct 18 19:33:05 summatusmentis: terminal.app is ohsobroken anyway Oct 18 19:33:12 use iterm at the minimum and that's hardly wonderful Oct 18 20:13:33 Marajin: terminal.app works pretty well for me Oct 18 20:13:39 I've tried iterm and hated it Oct 18 21:09:57 summatusmentis: I hate iterm but terminal.app has been buggy as hell through 3 versions of OS X and two completely different macs.... Oct 18 21:10:02 wait, no 3 different macs Oct 18 21:10:20 how so? Oct 18 21:10:21 powerbook g4-800, Intel Core Duo Mac Mini and an Intel Core 2 Duo iMac Oct 18 21:10:31 I can't say I've ever run into issue with it :x Oct 18 21:10:36 SineOt: it suffers massively from rendering issues for me Oct 18 21:11:05 it'll fail to update things properly or completely mess up encoding Oct 18 21:11:13 weird Oct 18 21:11:23 what are you using/trying to do? I'll poke it here~ Oct 18 21:11:31 perhaps a peculiarity of my terminal sessions but PuTTY/iTerm/etc. just go perfectly Oct 18 21:11:47 well I tend to go terminal -> local shell -> ssh to my linux box -> screen session Oct 18 21:11:57 I've seen a few issues where lines get screwy but... It does the same thing on my Ubuntu netbook so I kind of think it's just universal that it sucks Oct 18 21:12:15 inside that screen session I have irssi, finch (ncurses pidgin) and a few telnet connections to MUDs and such Oct 18 21:12:30 it can't render finch properly worth a damn Oct 18 22:03:18 Still looking for someone who can look into an EPR hang. Oct 18 22:03:41 rwhitby: ^ Oct 18 22:03:42 :) Oct 18 22:03:57 i would have done egaudet: ^ Oct 18 22:04:03 but he seems to be mia Oct 18 22:04:26 Vacation? Oct 18 22:04:41 lol Oct 18 22:05:37 idk, i haven't seen egaudet in weeks or so Oct 18 22:05:58 ive actually had a feature request for keyboss to tell him about the entire time! Oct 18 22:06:08 hah Oct 18 22:06:43 lordbah: is it sitting at the end of the process and not doing anything? Oct 18 22:07:43 SineOt: Spinning at some point. ps shows "md5sum somenonexistentfile" running and not exiting. Oct 18 22:08:01 I just restarted at that point and it seemed to work fine Oct 18 22:08:11 lol Oct 18 22:08:17 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2712696#post2712696 Oct 18 22:08:29 "if it breaks I'll just doctor it!" *pulls the plug* Oct 18 22:08:50 I've restarted several times. Oct 18 22:08:56 * oilsworkn is sad themes have never been made more better Oct 18 22:09:25 hm Oct 18 22:09:36 * halfhalo thinks oil should start to work on them Oct 18 22:09:41 what are you running EPR to remove? Oct 18 22:09:45 This hang is weird, but it wouldn't happen except that something somewhere is pointing at a virtual-keyboard folder despite the fact I've run Cleanup VKB and removed any VK package I can find. Oct 18 22:10:31 I'm running EPR to prepare for installing the Advanced Configuration packages. Oct 18 22:10:39 ive only ever installed one theme, the l4d one i think, it was only on my pre for like 5 mins, lol Oct 18 22:11:10 you should be fine if that's what it's hanging on Oct 18 22:11:18 is it successfully removing all your patches? Oct 18 22:13:20 hmm Oct 18 22:14:05 SineOt: List of Installed Packages doesn't show a Patches category. Oct 18 22:14:28 I'd say it's safe to assume that all of your patches have been removed then Oct 18 22:14:38 unless you can still access some of the patch features Oct 18 22:17:36 That's weird too. Wish I could remember the name of the launcher patch I had, because I can still orange+tap to bring up a menu with delete/rename/hide/move. I can Edit Launcher Pages. I can enter Edit Mode and hit + to add more launcher pages. etc. So that patch doesn't seem to be removed. Oct 18 22:18:23 Top bar patches are all still active. Oct 18 22:18:27 maybe you should try to rebuild the preware db? Oct 18 22:19:12 How? Oct 18 22:19:34 Emergency Reconstruction Utility? I think? Oct 18 22:19:42 Something like that. Rebuilds the Preware database. Oct 18 22:19:46 yeah I think that's it Oct 18 22:20:04 Will try that. Oct 18 22:20:21 I'm getting old, gotta get something with a much larger screen for my next phone. Oct 18 22:21:53 mount a magnifying glass to the front of your phone Oct 18 22:22:06 "steam punk" Oct 18 22:22:15 lol Oct 18 22:26:44 Ran ERU. Still no Patches category in Installed Packages. Oct 18 22:27:29 reboot, see if patches are still there? Oct 18 22:28:55 Power/Restart in progress. That takes like 10 minutes :-( Oct 18 22:31:47 well, since it was just patches, a quicker luna restart would have also worked xD Oct 18 22:37:17 Patches are still functional, and Preware still doesn't see any of them. Oct 18 22:37:34 :/ Oct 18 22:37:52 yep, sounds like you've destroyed the patch database Oct 18 22:40:46 Where does that live? Oct 18 22:55:59 I was thinking to use Save/Restore and Doctor - but, do I want to NOT restore the Preware files? Oct 18 23:01:35 man.. been awhile since I've been in here Oct 18 23:01:52 college is keeping me busy :> Oct 18 23:16:17 if anyone's around ... I forgot the correct git url for dev commits. I need to push a fix for evas Oct 18 23:23:03 Does a destroyed patch database mean it's time to run WebOS Doctor? Oct 18 23:28:45 that or webOS Repair Tool Oct 18 23:31:35 rwhitby: Does a destroyed patch database mean it's time to run WebOS Doctor? Or is that kept in the area Dr doesn't touch any more? Oct 18 23:31:50 run webOS Repair Tool Oct 18 23:32:04 get your webOS files back to virgin state. then start again. Oct 18 23:32:09 if all that is too hard, just doctor. Oct 18 23:33:12 "WebOS Repair Utility"? Oct 18 23:34:04 yes Oct 18 23:36:19 rwhitby: forgot the git url for commits. I need to push a fix for evas. Oct 18 23:36:49 xcomp_: git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/cross-compile.git Oct 18 23:37:32 xcomp_: BTW, all that stuff has been broken for a lot of people for a long time now. Oct 18 23:37:53 thanks Oct 18 23:38:02 yeah I'm a bit confused by the new directory structure as well Oct 18 23:38:50 i was going to try to rebuild everything and fix any issues Oct 18 23:38:57 excellent. Oct 18 23:40:04 how is "make update" supposed to work with the new dir structure? Oct 18 23:44:33 Rhuh rhow! Oct 19 00:04:55 Hmm. WebOS Repair downloaded a doctor of 1.4.1.1 whereas my phone is 1.4.5. Wonder why/how it DL'd the wrong one. Oct 19 00:10:56 rwhitby, ping! Oct 19 00:11:15 lordbah, what carrier/model? Oct 19 00:11:23 Sprint Pre Oct 19 00:12:01 manully download the 1.4.5 dr? Oct 19 00:13:38 Palm gave me a .jnlp file. Double-clicked it, it now says it is downloading 1.4.5. Oct 19 00:18:09 lordbah: get the doctor from the webos-internals.org page for it Oct 19 00:18:13 it has a direct download link Oct 19 01:20:35 You know rwhitby, that is a bit of an ambiguous post you made in the Govnah thread, it sounds really snooty. Maybe a smiley or something to soften it to the level of sarcastic humor? Oct 19 01:21:06 lemme see Oct 19 01:21:09 link plz Oct 19 01:23:21 Zen00: unfortunately, fixxxer1022 seems to have an ability to rub me the wrong way Oct 19 01:23:50 "are we there yet?" "are we there yet?" "why aren't we there yet?" "must be a govnah bug, we're not there yet" Oct 19 01:24:08 Yeah, it's just posts like that that caused me to be wary of the internet back in my beginning days of nerd-dome. Oct 19 01:24:08 "oh, it's a kernel bug", "are you going to fix it?" Oct 19 01:24:13 * oil knew it wasnt govnah from the start :) Oct 19 01:24:43 I mean what sort of question is "will the kernel be updated at all?" Oct 19 01:24:48 Somewhat ambiguous that I couldn't tell if they were making fun of me, or fun with me. Oct 19 01:25:24 He just wanted to know if there would be a specific release in the near future to cover the bug, or if it was determined something that wasn't worth worrying over in the near future. Oct 19 01:25:29 That's how I'd interpret it. Oct 19 01:26:01 But then, I am a teacher, of sorts. Oct 19 01:26:04 I should have just answered "No, I'm going to do a SuperPreKernel and leave crap lying out there unfixed for people to cut there fingers on" Oct 19 01:26:22 Zen00: you're right of course. I've edited the post. Oct 19 01:26:39 That would clearly have rung of sarcasm, and while he might been stung a bit by it, it wouldn't have been offensive. Oct 19 01:26:57 Cool, just didn't want to see some tempers flare over a misconception. Oct 19 01:27:49 One of the things that I always hated most in forums was when they made a "Ring of Flame" zone, it just always encouraged bitterness in the forum members. Oct 19 01:29:57 * rwhitby declined being a Forum Leader for the reason of being unable to promise not to do that Oct 19 01:30:32 when they asked me, my response was something like "sure, ill take it, if it means i can still lmgtfy stupid questions" Oct 19 01:30:39 there was no response, or tag Oct 19 01:31:02 That's why the forums I frequent have rules about that sorta stuff Oct 19 01:32:04 Now I'm afraid to ask what lmgtfy means. Oct 19 01:32:13 Letme google that for you Oct 19 01:32:22 No, I hate that! Oct 19 01:32:51 It's one of the second rudest responses to someone's question. :P Oct 19 01:32:55 Of course, I do wish there was a rule banning stupidity on those forums Oct 19 01:32:56 lol Oct 19 01:32:57 hah Oct 19 01:32:59 no it's not Zen00 Oct 19 01:33:08 it isnt Oct 19 01:33:17 Lmgtfy is banned on mah forums Oct 19 01:33:23 boo Oct 19 01:33:26 en0x: I edited it Oct 19 01:33:51 it's just strong encouragement for actual thought Oct 19 01:33:55 Specifically the link to the website that does it. I always hate it when I've done the googling, and ask the question, and the pat answer that comes back is "Let me google that for you." >:( Oct 19 01:33:57 yes it is :p Oct 19 01:34:00 en0x: oh, sorry, thought you were responding to the earlier thing Oct 19 01:34:23 it's one thing to ask when you have tried and failed Oct 19 01:34:24 rwhitby: congrtz on going to palm dev day... :) Oct 19 01:34:33 that's why my response is always "what google search terms have you tried so far?" ;) Oct 19 01:34:40 another to expect an answer to be handed to you Oct 19 01:34:47 Yeah, congrats! I wish I could go, but as no one ever has any of these things nearby where I live... Oct 19 01:35:00 jhopixi: I was "actually" putting thought into asking you how you tested the TCP algos, like if you just set up a test server and downloaded files into the browser from it, over the air or over wifi, etc, so yeah, a lmgtfy was kind of rude :p Oct 19 01:35:14 no Oct 19 01:35:28 go back and look at your question again Oct 19 01:35:38 :/ Oct 19 01:35:46 I do want to know how that testing comes out, saw the forum post and, while I get the gist of it, it's not my area of expertise. Oct 19 01:35:48 rwhitby: ask when 2.0 will hit ;d Oct 19 01:35:51 you might have been thinking that Oct 19 01:35:52 Well, its one thing to say google it, but lmgtfy is just to.. sarcastic I guess Oct 19 01:36:06