**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 19 02:59:57 2010 Oct 19 03:07:36 dunno Oct 19 03:08:46 heh, surprised you're not using a ppc distro then ;) Oct 19 03:16:20 Loudergood, i'm a unix guy, but not a mac guy. this is my parent's computer. my debian cluster computer is out of commission due to a fried raid card that overheated (oops) so now im stuck with trying to effing root a computer that is not mine so i can install this effing darwin ports so i can install effing make so i can effing install jre6 so i can effing install preware on my effing pixi. grr. Oct 19 03:16:49 "this is my parent's computer" say no more Oct 19 03:17:01 >.< Oct 19 03:17:05 debulante: do you know anyone with a intel mac or a PC ? Oct 19 03:17:05 what u want to install on mac debulante? Oct 19 03:17:29 would probably be easier to do it on a mate's computer Oct 19 03:17:47 why are you trying to build it from source? Oct 19 03:17:49 install a trial version of vmware and install linux in it Oct 19 03:17:53 just use the binaries Oct 19 03:18:00 no need to use macports Oct 19 03:18:05 or get the virtual machinefrom sun Oct 19 03:18:10 the one that palm sdk is using Oct 19 03:18:20 i forgot it's name Oct 19 03:18:23 en0x: all the vms for OSX won't run on PPC Oct 19 03:18:33 because ppc is better than that Oct 19 03:18:35 oh man u got old mac Oct 19 03:18:36 :D Oct 19 03:18:44 the only option is a version of Virtual PC from 2005 lol Oct 19 03:19:01 * halfhalo has a 867MHz 12" powerbook in his desk Oct 19 03:19:15 twas my second laptop Oct 19 03:19:38 but seriously debulante just use the binaries Oct 19 03:19:39 i dont trust vm boxes. id rather do source, and i tried binaries, idk the commands to install freakin binaries and cant find em either Oct 19 03:19:55 you drop them anywhere Oct 19 03:20:07 and point JAVA_HOME at them Oct 19 03:20:29 no compile or unpacking? Oct 19 03:20:40 using /Applications/Utilities/Java Prefences Oct 19 03:20:57 well you have to unpack them from the tarball it downloads as Oct 19 03:21:00 but that's it Oct 19 03:21:29 can i delete the source folder once finished? will it compile into root? Oct 19 03:22:12 you're not compiling anything Oct 19 03:22:35 OOOOOOH cuz its jre!!! fml k i get it now Oct 19 03:22:50 no, because it's a -binary- it's already compiled ?_? Oct 19 03:23:32 i have always been required to compile even binaries on any unix...?? Oct 19 03:23:59 including arch redhat debian etc Oct 19 03:24:04 your unix sucks? Oct 19 03:24:08 :p Oct 19 03:24:12 f that Oct 19 03:26:16 its necessary to run the scripts within binary to "sync" with other scripts and binaries, rpm's etc. creating symlinks and stuff to the scripts and directories that the package calls for. at least, the good ones do that :P Oct 19 03:26:54 yeah, that's really the "good" way to make sure you have a system your average end user will understand :Q Oct 19 03:27:12 thats what kde is for my friend Oct 19 03:29:25 * Loudergood wonders just what kind of debian debulante has been working with... Oct 19 03:30:32 the debian "speshul" edition Oct 19 03:31:19 * debulante wonders why Loundergood is not aware of the .deb package scripting Oct 19 03:33:32 oh I'm aware of how dpkg works Oct 19 03:33:51 installing != compiling Oct 19 03:35:02 yeah, installing isn't compiling Oct 19 03:35:54 if it was then there wouldn't be things like "i386" Oct 19 03:36:11 well...there's always exceptions to that rule like gentoo Oct 19 03:37:40 not every debian system is going to be set up the same, even if they are all lenny it does not matter they will be different in some ways. the scripts ran at installation of a deb package within debian are able to move, seek, run, link, edit, etc any script, program, source, etc. those processes are part of the compiling process. i know all this because i aid in development for debian, so does my two brothers (one works w Oct 19 03:38:25 sure, but noone in their right mind runs those manually ;) Oct 19 03:38:29 gentoo is an exception! Oct 19 03:38:31 w00t? Oct 19 03:38:46 gentoo sucks. Oct 19 03:39:00 oh here we go Oct 19 03:39:10 i played with gentoo when i was 16 Oct 19 03:39:16 so does ubuntu Oct 19 03:39:18 now i'm too old to play with it all time Oct 19 03:39:29 cuz thats all its good for Oct 19 03:39:31 playing Oct 19 03:39:33 lets just all agree that slackware is weird Oct 19 03:39:40 agreed Oct 19 03:39:43 nah slackware is great Oct 19 03:39:48 linux with bsd init Oct 19 03:39:48 ;d Oct 19 03:40:03 bsd rc... i love bsd Oct 19 03:40:04 ;] Oct 19 06:13:28 morning Oct 19 06:17:22 dmorning Oct 19 09:31:00 palm pre 2 !!! Oct 19 09:38:04 where? Oct 19 09:48:40 article on precentral again Oct 19 09:49:03 looks pretty puny for a phone actually, but I'll buy it when it's announced for sprint Oct 19 14:10:39 So, webOS 2.0 and the Pre2 are official. Oct 19 14:10:51 available on SFR friday Oct 19 14:11:22 and verizon "in the coming months" Oct 19 14:12:12 OTA updates for everyone else also "in the coming months" Oct 19 14:12:24 Which I guess means waiting on carrier approval. Oct 19 14:16:46 probably Oct 19 14:16:50 but no sprint? Oct 19 14:24:50 not so far Oct 19 14:26:25 flash and skype "for verizon subscribers only" Oct 19 14:26:34 err, sorry...flash for everyone Oct 19 14:26:48 I'm sure the homebrew community will fix that. Oct 19 14:31:54 I wonder if someone can get around the skype/verizon exclusivity and at least get a version of skype that works on wifi for sprint users Oct 19 14:33:02 but as for the pre2, it's a prefail for me. CES better deliver..I'm hanging on to my pre minus Oct 19 14:33:57 I said it months ago that I had positive evidence there was an OMAP3630 in it...and it turns out I was right Oct 19 14:35:14 Unfortunately I have not found any similar "positive evidence" of a new palm phone with an OMAP4 processor... I do have some evidence that Motorola will be getting it Oct 19 14:58:02 xcomp_: i'm quite sure there will be a "workaround" for the verizon skype exclusivity Oct 19 14:59:31 agree that Pre2 is not a compelling upgrade...I'm on sprint and not interested in buying off contract, so it's a bit of a moot point unless something changes Oct 19 15:00:21 I *hope* that the Pre2 will be a midlevel phone, with a premium device to be released early in 2011...but I'm not as sure that's the case as some people are. Oct 19 15:01:28 The 99 euro price on SFR seems to be a good indicator that it will not be the top tier, especially since Euro subsidies are generally not that great. Oct 19 15:01:46 did I access this right? Oct 19 15:02:33 webOSdealer_: depends on what you were trying to do Oct 19 15:03:01 sorry: I guess I did. I wanted to know if anyone could help me out wuth my new patch in preware Oct 19 15:03:36 go ahead Oct 19 15:03:41 Fixed Keyboard Brightness 100 . It was apprived and released this morning but apparently it doest think 1.4.5 ready Oct 19 15:04:02 crap Oct 19 15:04:12 idontwan2know: new devices were announeced for 2011, not for this year .. so i assume we'll see the pre2 sucessor next year Oct 19 15:04:31 do you think I just forgot to check the 1.4.5 box and I should just rsubmit an update Oct 19 15:06:12 swisstomcat: i want to believe! Oct 19 15:06:15 webosdealer: do you know http://patches.webos-internals.org/? Oct 19 15:06:34 ya. That is where I submitted Oct 19 15:07:12 I submitted 3 essentially identical patches.. 2 out no prob in preware. But I submitted the 3rd in a rush this am Oct 19 15:08:25 webOSdealer_: Its not you, its the system Oct 19 15:08:59 okay. So what is the solution? Oct 19 15:10:01 nothing at the moment except wait Oct 19 15:11:18 o really, so the patch that is in preware released this am that doesn't think it is 1.4.5 compatible will be updated automatically? Oct 19 15:11:43 webOSdealer_: yes Oct 19 15:12:43 hey sconix: sounds good. Thanks to all. Sconix: hope thiese patches made your life a bit less hectic Oct 19 15:13:44 its always good when people take some action by themself and not just wait and sit that someone else does all the work :) Oct 19 15:15:46 alright: back to my day job... How long should this just wait thing take? Oct 19 15:15:59 idontwan2know: I think skype actually blocks connections from networks not named verizon, so if there is a workaround it probably still won't work on 3G Oct 19 15:16:07 damn you, skype Oct 19 15:18:46 webOSdealer_: No Idea, but hopefully soon Oct 19 15:19:33 thanks everyone. Oct 19 15:20:09 the whole point of skype on the phone is to make wifi calls anyway, isn't it? Oct 19 15:21:15 if there's ever a device capable of making video calls, that would be a different story...but it's a bit of a moot point right now. Oct 19 15:33:51 idontwan2know: the point of skype is to be able to make cheap international calls. :) Oct 19 15:34:05 and free skype-to-skype calls Oct 19 15:34:28 verizon users get to do that on 3G, everyone else is left out in the cold Oct 19 15:34:48 just make a fring app, problem solved Oct 19 15:35:15 problem is the people I want to be able to talk to all use skype Oct 19 15:47:22 skype opened up their api Oct 19 15:47:25 so u can build an app Oct 19 16:04:20 hi all! do we already know whether webos 2.0 will also run on the old pre and pre plus? I can't remember having read anything affirmative to that end... Oct 19 16:05:32 i don't see why it shouldn't Oct 19 16:13:08 yes, 2.0 will be released for existing devices Oct 19 16:13:23 it was somewhere in one of the press releases Oct 19 16:13:53 great! so I guess as soon as the pre 2 will be out in france, at least the world-ready firmware image will be available somewhere... Oct 19 16:41:30 save/restore doesn't save my mobile hotspot :( Oct 19 17:23:52 wow...palm broke a lot more than I thought in 1.4.5 Oct 19 17:30:31 new warthog-pre-119. see changelog for details Oct 19 17:38:46 jhojho: ping Oct 19 17:39:19 pong Oct 19 17:44:24 when will minecraft run on webos? Oct 19 17:44:31 Neva! Oct 19 17:44:37 T_T Oct 19 17:48:30 SineOtter: See https://pastee.org/q98wm I was on the phone yesterday and unable to access scrollback. As I said, your question did not reflect what you may have been thinking. I can't and don't read minds. Oct 19 17:49:36 Yeah, I understand. There's better ways to get that info otu of someone's head than to toss a LMGTFY link, though :p Oct 19 17:49:38 but thanks Oct 19 17:55:00 * halfhalo goes to look up how to set up an ipkg building enviroment Oct 19 17:56:18 sure but i wasnt trying to get that info out of your head. =) you were the one asking questions. the point i was trying to make yesterday was that it helps to ask a) good questions and b) show that you have given some thought to the question rather than "help! make it work" Oct 19 17:56:38 after seeing the 500th post like that on precentral, it gets a little old Oct 19 17:57:18 of course the fact that I was hungry probably didnt help things. i'm not super friendly when i'm hungry. Oct 19 17:57:32 halfhalo: the wiki has okay directions. Oct 19 17:57:41 basically git clone the build.git Oct 19 17:57:51 and some other commands to set up the env Oct 19 17:57:55 and you should be good to go Oct 19 17:58:23 well, I -did- ask again after you scolded me yesterday, and I'd love to know what steps you took to test that and if it was done over wifi or over 3G, etc. I'd love to test it myself and see what I can do to try to squeeze the most out of my lackluster 3G connection at home Oct 19 17:58:32 actually that's if you want to build stuff inside the -internals environment Oct 19 17:58:41 my assumption is that you set up a server and just downloaded files from it to your phone and benchmarked off that Oct 19 17:58:55 server to phone over 3g Oct 19 17:59:21 use ttcp or iperf Oct 19 17:59:45 each run gets 5 results Oct 19 17:59:54 repeat for 3 runs Oct 19 18:00:04 for a total of 15 Oct 19 18:00:18 work your way through all the tcp algos Oct 19 18:00:47 server should have adequate bandwidth so that it's not a bottleneck on that end Oct 19 18:01:00 yeah Oct 19 18:01:08 what I did not test was adjusting tcp buffers Oct 19 18:01:11 what kind of 3G speeds do you normally see when not testing? Oct 19 18:01:34 I get about 150kbps so I'm curious if any of them might work a bit better at such low speeds Oct 19 18:02:25 work backwards through warthogkernel tweets Oct 19 18:02:28 it's posted somewhere Oct 19 18:04:54 oh yeah, I think I beat your low score for voltage draw on a Pixi with Warthog :p Oct 19 18:04:59 -52mA! Oct 19 18:05:20 of course a few seconds after waking it up it shot up to -550mA, but it was there for a second! Oct 19 18:11:14 My plan is to see if i can take packages from the npm db and turn them into ipkg's Oct 19 18:54:54 warthog-pixi-120 now available. surprise inside Oct 19 18:55:14 unicorns? Oct 19 18:56:06 hmm Oct 19 18:56:17 magic smoke and pixies Oct 19 18:56:18 clear Oct 19 18:56:19 ly Oct 19 18:56:26 i thought that webos 2.0 will be a significant speed boost comparing to 1.4.x Oct 19 18:56:34 like apps opening in 1 sec ;d Oct 19 18:58:10 and anyway... why do we have to wait for 2.0 when france is getting their 2.0 on friday... so it looks like webos 2.0 is ready for primetime... but no hp have to wait few months to release it to carierrs Oct 19 18:58:22 i bet verizon will be the last one to push it out ;D Oct 19 19:07:38 well we have yet to see webos2.0 running at 500mhz . that's going to be an important datapoint for people with older devices and not overclocked (lots) Oct 19 19:08:52 no speed difference Oct 19 19:08:52 :p Oct 19 20:38:57 is that camera auto-focus Oct 19 20:39:51 does not look like it.. you got to be kidding me. that with HP taking over the brand. sad :-| Oct 19 20:57:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArVP6ZNkmqw&feature=youtu.be Oct 19 21:05:11 xcomp_: where is the omap3630 confirmed for the Pre2 ? Oct 19 22:02:19 fff :( Oct 19 22:02:27 randomly lost all my mojo apps saved data Oct 19 22:02:55 Ouch Oct 19 22:04:46 at least it didn't take out my PDK app stuff! Oct 19 22:04:55 my angry birds saves :B Oct 19 22:05:38 well, thank god Oct 19 22:05:40 lol Oct 19 22:07:14 I know! I'm on the last set of levels! Oct 19 22:44:34 hola Oct 19 22:44:52 hi Oct 19 22:45:01 ka6sox: ka6sox3: are you around? Oct 19 22:57:15 hey guys Oct 19 22:57:21 webOS n00b here Oct 19 22:57:46 reading up on stuff, stumbled upon something called Qinray 1.0.3, wondering if someone here could explain what that is? Oct 19 23:00:24 it appears it is an old way of USB-Passthrough Oct 19 23:01:17 ...what's that? Oct 19 23:02:22 a way to access the phone with qualcom tools Oct 19 23:02:52 if you dont know what it is, trust me, you dont want to mess with it, it is one of the few things a doctor wont fix Oct 19 23:03:10 that's kind of where I'm researching Oct 19 23:03:59 er, what I'm researching, I mean Oct 19 23:04:01 qpst stuff? yeah that's dangerous territory Oct 19 23:04:22 I've been tempted to tread there to fix my damned gps though Oct 19 23:05:33 yeah, I've heard from a previous pre owner that he was scared to fix his gps because of some qpst hacking Oct 19 23:05:49 but personally, I've sucessfully meid modified 2 phones in the past Oct 19 23:05:51 friggin verizon Oct 19 23:06:05 so... qpst doesn't scare me THAT much. Oct 19 23:06:21 yeah I've done some qpst stuff on my old moto 815...but that phone was a lot cheaper... Oct 19 23:06:37 so, I was kind of handed this Pre from someone who was unhappy with battery life Oct 19 23:06:38 diiishe-away: Qinray 1.0.3 is an illegally distributed webOS Doctor. I cannot be discussed here. Oct 19 23:06:54 s/I cannot/It cannot/ Oct 19 23:06:54 rwhitby meant: diiishe-away: Qinray 1.0.3 is an illegally distributed webOS Doctor. It cannot be discussed here. Oct 19 23:07:03 oh. Oct 19 23:07:26 my apologies, did not know discussion of this nature was banned Oct 19 23:07:44 unless you paid for QPST, it's illegally distributed too. Any you'd know if you've paid for it, cause it's thousands of dollars. Oct 19 23:08:21 I don't own QPST, and I have actually never used it Oct 19 23:08:35 but I have used tools of a similar nature, hence I'm not scared of binary editing Oct 19 23:11:41 either way, would discussion of meid modification be forbidden here as well? Oct 19 23:34:18 diiishe: if there is a use for MEID modification which does not violate a carrier Terms of Service for that device, yes. Oct 19 23:34:34 (yes, it would be allowed that is) Oct 19 23:34:53 how about this: Oct 19 23:34:58 I have a 4G device. Oct 19 23:35:03 I like the style of the Pre better Oct 19 23:35:26 I'd like to be able to bring the Pre around with me when I want something small and stylish, and the 4G device when I want more power or certain apps Oct 19 23:35:53 discussion of a petition for verizon to fix the GPS for us? :) "Uncripple my Pre!" Oct 19 23:35:54 technically, the Pre is compatible with my plan so I'm not stealing service or anything (4G actually costs more for premium data) Oct 19 23:36:21 but, I'd like to clone the devices so I can switch off without calling into Sprint each time Oct 19 23:36:42 wait, i didnt think that was possible? Oct 19 23:36:51 I did the same thing with a samsung flip for hiking and my old WinMo phone Oct 19 23:36:55 i thought the network would break the meid Oct 19 23:37:04 big phone for work, little throwaway phone for pla Oct 19 23:37:06 play Oct 19 23:37:08 nope. Oct 19 23:37:12 I've done it. Oct 19 23:37:17 I even had a little chat with the FCC Oct 19 23:37:47 and apparently, the wireless protection act of 1998 only applies if esn modification is used to steal service. Oct 19 23:37:50 which I wasn't. Oct 19 23:38:04 Still, carriers won't tell u that because it can lead to potentially dangerous situations. Oct 19 23:38:30 ...which brings me here. I have not activated this device, it was handed to me, and I'd like to know if I can clone its meid. Oct 19 23:38:51 Again, if this is against the rules here, I'll bring my discussion elsewhere. I'm not looking to break anything. Oct 19 23:39:21 diiishe: anything that doesn't violate copyright or terms of service is fine. Oct 19 23:39:33 (see /topic ) Oct 19 23:39:44 so... am I cleared on this discussion? Oct 19 23:39:47 :) Oct 19 23:39:47 if it's not illegal and doesn't violate any agreement you have with sprint... but I have a feeling that you'd need tools like qpst Oct 19 23:39:56 hmm Oct 19 23:40:09 diiishe, if both phones are on, if i call that number, do both ring, both get txt's etc? Oct 19 23:40:14 which goes back to the thousands of dollars to actually have a legal copy of Oct 19 23:40:15 I did it before with the trial version of some software who's name I can't recall Oct 19 23:40:23 for the samsung, that is Oct 19 23:40:36 scoutcamper, technically, YES Oct 19 23:40:39 but I wouldn't do that Oct 19 23:40:41 * scoutcamper points at the qualcom chipset Oct 19 23:41:06 having both on sets off red flags that something is wrong with your account Oct 19 23:41:10 diiishe: but in general, no-one here has hacked on the modem, so other arenas may be more useful Oct 19 23:41:11 they will think someone is stealing your service Oct 19 23:41:36 rwhitby, I appreciate your honesty. Oct 19 23:43:53 hello. Oct 19 23:43:55 whats good? Oct 19 23:50:51 oc80z: Pre2 Oct 20 00:00:37 Mmm.. Oct 20 00:00:45 been out the states Oct 20 00:15:17 is there a reason not to underclock the pre? Oct 20 00:21:24 summatusmentis hmm? i do. Oct 20 00:22:00 oc80z: I'd like to try 125/1000 or 125/800 to see how that works with battery life Oct 20 00:22:12 but am I damaging my cpu by pushing the load on it all the time? Oct 20 00:22:15 no. Oct 20 00:22:22 i have cooked the device to over 60degrees, F Oct 20 00:22:36 er... errrrr, C Oct 20 00:23:00 i was on the beach with the stereo bluetooth for a few hours, w/o radio on.. Oct 20 00:23:18 the govnah's icon is funny when it goes like 65 degrees, it turns the icon on fire. Oct 20 00:23:21 so by UCing my cpu, and forcing the cpu be used constantly to just run the OS (until the screen comes on), it'll be ok? Oct 20 00:23:23 you cant break this device Oct 20 00:23:27 i am certain of it. Oct 20 00:23:31 alright Oct 20 00:23:32 cool Oct 20 00:23:44 I might try that, the battery life is abysmal Oct 20 00:24:08 however, there are processes that may spike your cpu or awake it. Oct 20 00:24:31 if you are doing screen on/off scaling... i think messaging w/ facebook/googletalk will kill the battery. Oct 20 00:24:47 I don't use those Oct 20 00:24:50 besides, 1000mhz is really fast, i think 720 is solid. Oct 20 00:25:02 I was running at 250/720 Oct 20 00:25:09 for screen stuff, at 125 you can hang. , 250 you could possibly miss a phonecall, dunno. Oct 20 00:25:20 oh really? Oct 20 00:25:22 yeah... dunno, Oct 20 00:25:23 hrm Oct 20 00:25:25 i mean, its possible. Oct 20 00:25:31 depending on how much ram is available. Oct 20 00:25:39 may be the package should come with Watchdog Oct 20 00:25:46 (heh) Oct 20 00:25:53 I've got compcache going too Oct 20 00:26:02 yeah Oct 20 00:26:08 keep plugging away Oct 20 00:26:43 has anyone looked at bikeshop? Oct 20 00:26:46 so there's no "recommended setting" really? Oct 20 00:26:56 sorry, bikeshed Oct 20 00:27:46 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue214 Oct 20 00:27:49 what man? Oct 20 00:28:35 i suggest not running over 800mhz Oct 20 00:28:52 hrm Oct 20 00:29:03 I'll keep playing and see if I can find a "sweet spot" Oct 20 00:32:29 mine runs well at 800mhz, until I tried to do a long video recording, that eventually locked up the camera, until reboot anyway Oct 20 00:33:10 500/720 is what i use Oct 20 00:33:19 also I get a ton of battery life by turning off phone data Oct 20 00:33:44 250 isnt really useful Oct 20 00:33:52 Loudergood: I was using mode switcher and a couple of modes I found on P Oct 20 00:33:56 P|C ** Oct 20 00:34:05 but I didn't like that there were no notifications Oct 20 00:35:56 yeah, I've got wifi at home, work, and on campus so it's not a big deal for me Oct 20 00:36:24 http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/10/introducing-bikeshed-package.html Oct 20 00:36:31 Should we incorporate this package Oct 20 00:37:56 oc80z: feel free to package it for optware Oct 20 00:38:16 i need some help crosscompiling for armv7 Oct 20 00:41:17 i just got back from tokyo, so, im busy with irl stuffs. Oct 20 00:42:05 ill look in to it later on eh? Oct 20 00:42:07 am I the only one that feels a bit ..underwhelmed by what I've seen of webos 2.0? ;x Oct 20 00:42:17 looks like it Oct 20 00:45:04 the help us with porting the the shr apps to the pre :) Oct 20 00:45:54 PuffTheMagic, morphis pushed some kexec related patches from n900 to our kernel git Oct 20 00:46:10 I'll try to build a new kernel after the shr-image Oct 20 00:48:02 playya__, idk where they came from, but unless they are his own creation, i doubt they will help Oct 20 00:48:15 i've tried patch that was out there Oct 20 00:48:31 i seems to work on the n900 Oct 20 00:49:10 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/palmpre/kexec Oct 20 00:49:28 is n900 an armv7? Oct 20 00:49:56 yes Oct 20 00:50:53 t is the first Nokia device based upon the Texas Instruments OMAP3 microprocessor with the ARM Cortex-A8 core. Oct 20 00:52:48 well this is good news Oct 20 00:52:59 can go back and work on my bootloader Oct 20 00:53:21 we're working on a bootloader, too Oct 20 00:53:28 based on efl and kexec Oct 20 00:54:28 here's our code: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=utilities.git;a=tree;f=palmpre/preboot;h=2b2c7fb44cbac990c998c730ae9e2f2f855dad31;hb=HEAD Oct 20 00:54:57 if this works we could provide a installer in optware Oct 20 00:55:51 yeah i know about that Oct 20 00:55:59 but its overkill for what we need Oct 20 00:56:02 hmm Oct 20 00:56:18 ok Oct 20 00:56:27 you only want to change the kernel? Oct 20 00:56:38 vala! Oct 20 00:56:51 How is that workin out PTM? Oct 20 00:57:10 PTM? Oct 20 00:57:14 playya__, i plan on making a kernel a stripped down uImage with just framebuffer and input support with a simple kexec bootloader cpio built in Oct 20 00:57:19 which will replace the default kernel Oct 20 00:57:28 then people can switch kernel at boot with ease Oct 20 00:57:38 truu Oct 20 00:58:07 was gonna use kexec-loader Oct 20 00:58:10 preboot should support the touchscreen and keys and should be configurable Oct 20 00:58:16 tweaked for Pre's screen size Oct 20 00:58:42 playya__, well if and when that works ok Oct 20 00:58:59 but i dont feel like dicking around with efl in our autobuilder Oct 20 00:59:16 and kexec-loader work right now Oct 20 00:59:21 just needs small tweaks Oct 20 00:59:29 we should have a ecore/evas-fbonly recipe somewhere Oct 20 01:00:02 i dont feel like maintaining efl makefiles in our autobuilder! Oct 20 01:00:56 i don't know you system ^^ Oct 20 01:01:30 when your bootloader is complete and usable let me know Oct 20 01:01:38 ... till then, im going the kexec-loader route Oct 20 01:01:48 since its a tiny C app Oct 20 01:02:03 and has no deps Oct 20 01:02:10 OK Oct 20 01:26:51 I JUST LOVE NOT HAVING AN UNDO FEATURE Oct 20 01:26:57 IT REALLY MAKES MISTAKES GREAT Oct 20 01:30:04 oc80z: what software are you using that requires undo to turn off capslock? Oct 20 01:41:52 /undo capslock Oct 20 01:42:07 ping oil_ Oct 20 01:42:29 halfhalo: ? Oct 20 01:44:01 your collective trollatism has been taken in to consideration. Oct 20 01:44:21 notes+ now has undo :) Oct 20 01:46:12 * nt4cats yawns Oct 20 01:46:50 wake up! Oct 20 01:47:53 you first! Oct 20 01:49:09 * nt4cats is installing preware on the replacement Pre ... this reminds me of the good old days Oct 20 01:50:37 preware-bootstrap is the bees knees Oct 20 02:01:50 I didn't have novacom installed on my Fedora box. Good thing that there is a novaterm-bootstrap, too. Oct 20 02:05:20 wow preware is a lot faster than it used to be Oct 20 02:05:41 lol Oct 20 02:06:22 I haven't used it since June, I suspect there has been an improvement or two in that time. Oct 20 02:06:38 one or two :) Oct 20 02:07:42 oil: if you've seen all of the incremental improvements it may not be obvious how much faster it is ... but step away for a few months and the delta is obvious. Well done! Oct 20 02:08:01 sorta like I don't notice my kids growing until I look at their school pictures from a year or two ago ... Oct 20 02:08:06 yeah Oct 20 02:39:34 I am very happy with the new Preware and my wife is happy with her 3 favorite patches. Thanks folks! Oct 20 02:40:26 nite all Oct 20 02:40:35 what are her favorite patches? :op Oct 20 02:41:02 SineOt: repeat notification (both Messages and missed calls) and the "make the speaker volume louder" patch Oct 20 02:41:35 Advanced System Config is really nice if she likes repeat notifications, gives a -lot- more options too Oct 20 02:41:58 SineOt: now she can hear the phone ringing in her purse ... and the repeat notifications for TXTs/calls is a feature that I can't believe are missing from the base WebOS Oct 20 02:42:01 * SineOt has it set to repeat AIM messages every 2 minutes 3 times, missed calls every 10 minutes 5 times, SMS every 5 minutes... Oct 20 02:42:40 SineOt: she uses her phone for calls, TXTs, and FaceBook. Occasional/rare browser use -- that's it. Oct 20 02:42:52 SineOt: .. so simple/basic is fine :) Oct 20 02:43:02 I suppose :) Oct 20 02:44:03 I may check out Advanced System Config sometime when she leaves her phone unattended, though. Thanks for the info. Oct 20 02:44:19 it's a lot more fine grained :) Oct 20 02:44:27 I have it also turn off blinking notifications for emails! Oct 20 02:44:51 I find the glowing orb unsettling Oct 20 02:45:14 When I had the Pre I quickly disabled that globally Oct 20 02:45:26 I've got a Pixi, so I just have a nice little glowing cylon eye Oct 20 02:45:44 +1 for the cylon Oct 20 02:46:38 (my laptop is named 'cylon', the development VM I use at work is 'agathon', my when-forced-to-run-a-windows-app VM is called 'baltar' ... I'm sort of a BSG nerd) Oct 20 02:47:03 new BSG or old BSG? :p Oct 20 02:47:45 I like both (I was a kid when the old one was running), but I have much love for the new one. Oct 20 02:48:23 I was uh... -9 years old when the original was running ;P Oct 20 02:51:45 I was born in 1971, I was somewhat young, but still remember watching it when the 1978 series originally aired. Oct 20 02:52:44 Thanks again, I'm going to toddle off to bed. Nite all. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 20 02:59:56 2010