**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 22 02:59:58 2010
Oct 22 05:19:22 <Flak> preware having problems?
Oct 22 05:19:57 <rwhitby> Guest13058: not that I know of
Oct 22 05:20:17 <Guest13058> can't get to any of the feeds from a new preware install, nor are they loading in WOQI
Oct 22 05:20:49 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ is fine here and on my device.
Oct 22 05:22:02 <Guest13058> there's a post on precentral about it as well
Oct 22 05:22:53 <Guest13058> my old pre times out on the feed updates as well, granted it takes a long time.  but all the feeds error out
Oct 22 05:24:31 <Guest13058> also, going direct to this times out
Oct 22 05:24:32 <Guest13058> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/
Oct 22 05:27:40 <rwhitby> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/
Oct 22 05:28:48 <Guest13058> hmm...
Oct 22 05:29:13 <Guest13058> think it's a dns issue me and many others are having then?
Oct 22 05:29:31 <halfhalo> could be...
Oct 22 05:30:49 <ka6sox> okay whats the deal with this?
Oct 22 05:31:07 <rwhitby> can you see http://ipkg1.preware.org/ http://ipkg2.preware.org or http://ipkg3.preware.org ?
Oct 22 05:31:41 <rwhitby> meh, skip ipkg1.preware.org
Oct 22 05:31:57 <rwhitby> it's currently pointing to ipkg3.preware.org - I can change it to point to ipkg2.preware.org
Oct 22 05:32:47 <ka6sox> I am unable to connect to ipkg3 currently
Oct 22 05:32:58 <ka6sox> but I can connect to ipkg2
Oct 22 05:33:35 <halfhalo> I can hit both
Oct 22 05:33:44 <Guest13058> ipkg3 is a no, 1 and 2 are yes
Oct 22 05:34:21 * halfhalo pulls out ipad to test, which has no dns record of the feeds
Oct 22 05:35:21 <rwhitby> ka6sox: I've switched to ipkg2
Oct 22 05:35:39 <rwhitby> (just then, so 30 mins TTL on DNS)
Oct 22 05:35:45 <ka6sox> okay good.
Oct 22 05:36:37 <halfhalo> hmmm.... 3 isn't resolving on the ipad
Oct 22 05:36:45 <ka6sox> halfhalo, 3 is down
Oct 22 05:36:57 <halfhalo> good times....
Oct 22 05:37:03 <ka6sox> I'm trying to login to the server and no go.
Oct 22 05:37:47 <rwhitby> ka6sox: weird that I can access ipkg3 over the web from here
Oct 22 05:38:05 <halfhalo> my desktop can hit it as well.
Oct 22 05:38:24 <rwhitby> ka6sox: and I can log into it from here
Oct 22 05:38:40 <Guest13058> so it's a dns issue then
Oct 22 05:38:46 <halfhalo> localized isp issues?
Oct 22 05:38:48 <rwhitby> so there is a network break between Hawaii and US
Oct 22 05:38:55 <Guest13058> ahh
Oct 22 05:39:46 <ka6sox> hawaii says they can get to it...the server is circa LA.
Oct 22 05:40:09 <ka6sox> I reported it to the mirror operator and he is looking.
Oct 22 05:40:14 <halfhalo> ka6sox: the ipad can't get to it via the cell network either
Oct 22 05:40:31 <rwhitby> ka6sox: ah, right. it's not in hawaii
Oct 22 05:40:33 <ka6sox> halfhalo, doesn't surprise me.
Oct 22 05:40:48 <ka6sox> rwhitby, yep...just controlled from there.
Oct 22 05:41:21 <halfhalo> well... it IS att :p
Oct 22 05:41:57 <ka6sox> Guest13058, what ISP are you using and from what area?
Oct 22 05:42:16 <Guest13058> looks like feeds are back
Oct 22 05:42:21 <Guest13058> I'm on Charter in WI...
Oct 22 05:42:26 <halfhalo> Not working from vzw wireless either
Oct 22 05:42:55 <ka6sox> well...dns has to TTL.
Oct 22 05:43:20 <ka6sox> okay reload please.
Oct 22 05:43:26 <ka6sox> (as in try again)
Oct 22 05:43:31 <Guest13058> WOQI and Preware are both working
Oct 22 05:44:19 <ka6sox> halfhalo, please try to update preware.
Oct 22 05:44:19 <halfhalo> At least that works
Oct 22 05:44:57 <halfhalo> upd
Oct 22 05:45:04 <halfhalo> well, the feeds are anyways
Oct 22 05:45:25 <ka6sox> the feeds are what are important.
Oct 22 05:45:35 * halfhalo knows
Oct 22 05:46:09 <ka6sox> okay this *must* have been a routing screwup.
Oct 22 05:46:17 * halfhalo really should metadoctor his pre
Oct 22 05:53:46 <halfhalo> Holycarp... Angelbird ssd.. Me likes...
Oct 22 05:54:06 <halfhalo> 1Gb/s read speed
Oct 22 05:55:44 * halfhalo wants
Oct 22 06:12:12 <mpingu> hi
Oct 22 06:13:56 <ka6sox> lo
Oct 22 06:15:24 <mpingu> anyone of you knows how to install ruby on a webos Device palm pre is my device
Oct 22 06:17:19 <ka6sox> halfhalo, youknow?
Oct 22 06:17:59 <mpingu> ?
Oct 22 06:18:22 <ka6sox> mpingu, I'm asking our resident ruby guy.
Oct 22 06:18:39 <mpingu> ah okay
Oct 22 06:18:56 <mpingu> i dont find any on the net
Oct 22 06:19:12 <ka6sox> I don't know so I can't say.
Oct 22 06:20:06 <mpingu> ah okay
Oct 22 06:21:26 <ka6sox> its late for him so he *might* have already gone to sleep.
Oct 22 06:21:31 <ka6sox> what TZ are you in?
Oct 22 06:23:18 <halfhalo> What now in the what what?
Oct 22 06:23:33 * halfhalo is on iPad and just switched back to irc
Oct 22 06:23:33 <mpingu> i am from germany so europe tz
Oct 22 06:23:46 <mpingu> hmm TZ questions you dont play eve or ?
Oct 22 06:24:51 <halfhalo> As for ruby, if it's in opt ware then Its easy to install, else it needs to be cross compiled
Oct 22 06:25:56 <mpingu> okay i am mostly asking because i want to install metasploit on it for some security testing on the got to bad aircrack  dont work or ?
Oct 22 06:27:33 <ka6sox> halfhalo, use your new tool to find out if its there.
Oct 22 06:27:37 * halfhalo doesn't know about wether aircrack works or not
Oct 22 06:28:07 <mpingu> for proper use of aircrack you need to patch the wifi drivers i dont think there is a madwifi port für palm pres driver
Oct 22 06:28:27 <ka6sox> doubt it as it uses a proprietary stack.
Oct 22 06:29:11 <halfhalo> ka6sox: To much effort on iPad
Oct 22 06:29:13 <mpingu> i only got a nokia n900 tut for installing metasploit  some of you would like to look over it the packages if there are in webos also ?
Oct 22 06:29:37 <ka6sox> halfhalo, I'm talking about optwarefind.
Oct 22 06:30:06 <halfhalo> I know :P
Oct 22 06:30:29 <halfhalo> But multitasking with hulu, safari causes it to run out of memory and close an app
Oct 22 06:30:55 <ka6sox> oh..right.
Oct 22 06:31:02 <ka6sox> where did we put that?
Oct 22 06:31:19 <halfhalo> Optwarefind.nslu2-Linux.org
Oct 22 06:31:32 <ka6sox> that makes too much sense.
Oct 22 06:31:43 <halfhalo> Then change it!
Oct 22 06:32:12 <ka6sox> 1.9.1.243-1'
Oct 22 06:32:22 <halfhalo> I like it
Oct 22 06:32:30 <ka6sox> thats the version in optware. of ruby
Oct 22 06:32:48 <halfhalo> It's shiny and new
Oct 22 06:33:08 <ka6sox> yep...shiny
Oct 22 06:33:35 <mpingu> cool
Oct 22 06:33:52 <mpingu> the optware stuff i am finding under preware right?
Oct 22 06:36:06 <halfhalo> You have to add it to pre ware
Oct 22 06:47:49 <mpingu> got pre ware now on it my pre was in rma till yesterday headphone jacket thing
Oct 22 06:50:48 <oil> so it was return merchandise authorization till yesterday?
Oct 22 06:51:39 <mpingu> ?
Oct 22 06:51:55 <mpingu> i got it since yesterday afternoon just installed pre ware and stuff again
Oct 22 06:52:58 <ka6sox> (he got it back after fixing the headphone jack)
Oct 22 06:56:29 <mpingu> i am getting an error at downloading ipkg.preware.org feeds
Oct 22 07:01:48 <ka6sox> are you using wifi or cell connection?
Oct 22 07:02:08 <mpingu> cell
Oct 22 07:02:17 <mpingu> okay fixed just rebooted my pre
Oct 22 07:05:09 <mpingu> i got the normal optware feeds i dont got a ruby in it openSSH OpenVPN and stuff i ghgot
Oct 22 07:11:54 <ka6sox> you have to manually install it.
Oct 22 07:12:12 <mpingu> okay stupid question where do i find it ?
Oct 22 07:18:58 <rwhitby> Optware Advanced Linux Command LIne Installer in Preware
Oct 22 07:19:01 <rwhitby> install that
Oct 22 07:19:06 <rwhitby> novaterm or ssh in
Oct 22 07:19:08 <rwhitby> run ipkg-opt update
Oct 22 07:19:13 <rwhitby> run ipkg-opt ist
Oct 22 07:19:16 <rwhitby> run ipkg-opt list
Oct 22 07:19:31 <rwhitby> (the "ist" is a typo, don't run that)
Oct 22 07:19:39 <rwhitby> behold the 1700+ packages available
Oct 22 07:30:40 <mpingu> can i also install a terminal on the pre it self?
Oct 22 07:31:50 <mpingu> but its only via commandline or ?
Oct 22 07:39:54 <rwhitby> Have you typed "terminal" on the Preware main screen?
Oct 22 07:40:44 <mpingu> yeah
Oct 22 07:40:52 <mpingu> the terminal app
Oct 22 14:48:08 <Darkmagister> anyone have order the pre2 ???
Oct 22 14:51:48 <ka6sox> can you order them?
Oct 22 14:54:02 <Darkmagister> on the site it's possibile but i don't know if the pre 2 is sim locked
Oct 22 14:54:15 <Darkmagister> and i don't live in france ...
Oct 22 14:55:20 <ka6sox> I haven't seen it announced here in the US yet
Oct 22 14:55:41 <ka6sox> (that its available)
Oct 22 14:56:01 <summatusmentis> it says coming soon to vzw on the site, but if you go to "shop" it only shows the Pre or Pre+
Oct 22 14:56:07 <summatusmentis> (and pixi models, obviously)
Oct 22 14:57:09 <ka6sox> one would hope that the Oreo issue would be fixed :D
Oct 22 15:02:50 <summatusmentis> aren't the Oreo issues fixed in current new pre's anyway?
Oct 22 15:04:01 <Rick_work> Morning
Oct 22 15:04:14 <ka6sox> morning Rick_work
Oct 22 15:13:17 <RagingMind> I have no oreo issues... but I'm a bit anal with regard to care of my phone
Oct 22 15:13:30 <RagingMind> I carry it around in that little soft case that came with it
Oct 22 16:50:06 <dkwiebe> Does Zsoc still come here once in a while?
Oct 22 16:52:15 <ka6sox> sometimes.
Oct 22 16:53:11 <dkwiebe> ok, thanks.  I'll watch for him.
Oct 22 16:54:40 <ka6sox> I guess somethings can escape Black Holes.
Oct 22 16:54:59 <halfhalo> like windows?
Oct 22 17:51:20 <xbonesx> would it be possible to have the "total message count" patch have this format "**/**"; left being the amount of messages you've sent and the right being the amount of messages received?
Oct 22 17:58:35 <xbonesx> "muffle system logging": recommended or needed?
Oct 22 18:02:05 <xbonesx> are you not allowed to have the "no date" and "no battery level" patches at the same time? i always get an error, its either one or the other???
Oct 22 18:02:31 <summatusmentis> I'm assuming they modify similar things, and overlap
Oct 22 18:03:03 <xbonesx> i believe it just removes the line, im assuming it has to have atleast on line then...
Oct 22 18:05:01 <summatusmentis> do you know where they're hosted?
Oct 22 18:07:54 <xbonesx> summatusmentis: im sry, im not sure what you talking about?
Oct 22 18:08:36 <summatusmentis> the patches themselves, do you know where they're hosted?
Oct 22 18:11:58 <xbonesx> WebOS Patches feed
Oct 22 18:13:13 <xbonesx> or are you referring to the inner working of the patch, as in what it does? really not sure what your asking?
Oct 22 20:53:44 <xbonesx> Could someone help me edit the text color for the contacts page, i need it black?
Oct 22 21:21:34 <oc80z> whats good?
Oct 22 21:31:31 <rwhitby> pre2 in france
Oct 22 21:33:53 <bhuey> good
Oct 22 21:51:22 <Rick_work> So, If I get an unlocked Pre2, what pay-as-you-go sim is best in the US?
Oct 22 21:51:57 <halfhalo> I think your down to tmobiles month to month or att's go phone plan
Oct 22 21:52:47 <Tibfib> I don't think the 3g works with tmobile
Oct 22 21:52:55 <Tibfib> if you care about that.
Oct 22 21:56:37 <Rick_work> not for developer device.
Oct 22 22:00:46 * halfhalo is off to the vet
Oct 22 22:01:05 * ka6sox hopes his shots don't hurt to bad.
Oct 23 00:51:00 <SineOt> hm, rwhitby, looking at the list of known webOS doctors... any idea why only the SFR Pre went from wrep to eurep, while Pixi+ stayed wrep?
Oct 23 00:51:47 <SineOt> (I also never noticed, but lol at Verizon doctors getting "ver1z0n")
Oct 23 00:52:53 <rwhitby> no idea
Oct 23 00:54:21 <SineOt> Makes guessing at the 2.0 URL all the harder! I found the doctor for ATT 1.4.5 by just breaking apart the known doctors to get the new one, but this one changes a lot from what I can tell
Oct 23 00:55:53 <SineOt> did Palm not post doctors for versions earlier than 1.2.1?
Oct 23 00:57:10 <bpadalino> they did
Oct 23 00:57:13 <SineOt> SFR got -real- weird Doctor links the more I look at them. Pre switched from wrep to eudep, Pixi+ grom 121ueu-wr.jar to 121ewweu-wr.jar
Oct 23 00:57:26 <SineOt> So it's just that webos-internals doesn't have those URLs logged?
Oct 23 00:57:56 <bpadalino> they used to be listed on the website .. check the previous versions
Oct 23 00:58:16 <SineOt> they're listed for the MD5 comparisons, but not for the full URLs from what I can tell
Oct 23 00:58:40 <oil> i believe they removed the old ones
Oct 23 00:58:46 <SineOt> yeah, they did
Oct 23 00:59:00 <SineOt> but it's easier to figure out how the get the current URLs if you can see how things have changed in the past
Oct 23 00:59:13 <oil> yeah
Oct 23 00:59:26 <oil> there is a url generator somewhere
Oct 23 01:00:40 <SineOt> of course I could have the right URL and there's just no doctor out yet
Oct 23 01:00:42 <bpadalino> http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Webos_Doctor_Versions&limit=500&action=history - read the history ..
Oct 23 01:02:22 <SineOt> I have been :p between the 1.0.0 release and 1.2.1, all that's provided are the MD5s, not the full URLs
Oct 23 01:02:57 <SineOt> although whatever happened here I have no idea http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar
Oct 23 01:03:07 <SineOt> Everything else makes SOME kind of sense then there's that out of nowhere
Oct 23 01:03:20 <oil> they used to replace the old doctor file with the new one
Oct 23 01:03:27 <oil> until someone noticed the new one was up before it was out
Oct 23 01:03:47 <oil> and they switched to different urls for each release
Oct 23 01:04:30 <oil> or something like that
Oct 23 01:04:53 <SineOt> yeah, but the URLs still made some sense
Oct 23 01:04:57 <SineOt> at least the current ones do
Oct 23 01:05:00 <SineOt> they aren't that hard to figure out
Oct 23 01:08:19 <SineOt> given what they use currently, this should be the 2.0.0 doctor for the Pre2: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p200r0d10222010/eudep200rod/webosdoctorp102ueu-wr.jar
Oct 23 01:08:28 <SineOt> I'm curious to see what the real URL turns out to be
Oct 23 01:12:24 <oil> hp.cdnetworks.net/...?
Oct 23 01:12:26 <oil> lol
Oct 23 01:14:15 <SineOt> hp, palmhp, hppalm all do nothing :p
Oct 23 01:17:48 <oil> was worth a shot, haha
Oct 23 01:18:17 <SineOt> my guess is either they changed things again, since both of the SFR doctors had different URLs, or they simply don't have a doctor for it up yet
Oct 23 01:41:14 <xbonesx> is their anyway that i can copy the contents of "/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images"
Oct 23 01:41:33 <xbonesx> im unable to transfer files through novaterm
Oct 23 01:41:47 <ka6sox-work> yep.
Oct 23 01:41:52 <ka6sox-work> try novacom
Oct 23 01:46:03 <xbonesx> lol whats the point of novaterm then?
Oct 23 01:46:13 <xbonesx> seems kinda useless...?
Oct 23 01:46:55 <SineOt> novaterm... is a terminal
Oct 23 01:47:03 <SineOt> novacom does everything else
Oct 23 01:47:34 <xbonesx> lol
Oct 23 01:47:35 <xbonesx> ok
Oct 23 01:52:57 <xbonesx> i wish i had studied css
Oct 23 01:53:07 <xbonesx> editing these files would be so much easier
Oct 23 01:53:27 <xbonesx> actually understanding what each part actually means too
Oct 23 01:56:42 <xbonesx> so with novacom, i would type something like "novacom -t cp /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images"
Oct 23 02:03:42 <xbonesx> novacom -d
Oct 23 02:03:51 <xbonesx> oops thought i was in my terminal lol
Oct 23 02:16:08 <xbonesx> could anyone give me an example of copying a file using novacom?
Oct 23 02:16:40 <bpadalino> novacom get file:///path/to/file > localfile
Oct 23 02:16:41 <rwhitby> novacom get file://tmp/foo > foo
Oct 23 02:18:05 <xbonesx> where will it store the file on my pc??
Oct 23 02:18:40 <bpadalino> in my example, localfile in the current directory .. in rwhitby's .. foo in the current directory
Oct 23 02:18:42 <xbonesx> im using linux ofcourse
Oct 23 02:19:12 <xbonesx> can that be used recursively?
Oct 23 02:19:16 <xbonesx> for dir?
Oct 23 02:20:06 <xbonesx> "/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images" i want this dir off the phone
Oct 23 02:20:28 <SineOt> rwhitby: what's the plan once you do get your hands on the 2.0 doctor for the SFR Pre 2?
Oct 23 02:22:00 <oil> learn all its sekrets?
Oct 23 02:22:57 <xbonesx> is there an easier method to getting files to/from the pre?
Oct 23 02:23:45 <bpadalino> tar up the files first, then get the tar ?
Oct 23 02:24:26 <xbonesx> so create a tar of the dir then transfer that?
Oct 23 02:24:34 <xbonesx> how would i do that on the device?
Oct 23 02:25:50 <xbonesx> i suppose i could just use the novaterm to "cp" a dir to "/media/internal" then transfer via usb... but will any of the files in the "/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images" prevent me from doing this?
Oct 23 02:26:10 <bpadalino> you should feel the rush of adventure as you try it yourself first
Oct 23 02:26:16 <bpadalino> like pioneering new ground
Oct 23 02:26:27 <xbonesx> true, lol :)
Oct 23 02:26:45 <xbonesx> guess i could do that then cross reference whether all the files were copied
Oct 23 02:26:58 <xbonesx> lol more work... :(
Oct 23 02:27:14 <bpadalino> just tar them up into a file in /media/internal
Oct 23 02:27:23 <bpadalino> tar -cf
Oct 23 02:27:58 <xbonesx> using novaterm?
Oct 23 02:28:08 <bpadalino> yeah, term in ..
Oct 23 02:28:12 <bpadalino> run tar
Oct 23 02:28:28 <bpadalino> then grab the files
Oct 23 02:28:30 <xbonesx> so, tar -cf /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images /media/internal/"tar name"
Oct 23 02:28:42 <bpadalino> i think the tar name comes first
Oct 23 02:29:14 <xbonesx> example?
Oct 23 02:29:24 <xbonesx> not understanding... :(
Oct 23 02:29:41 <xbonesx> not too familiar with "tar"
Oct 23 02:29:53 <bpadalino> tar -cf /media/internal/archive.tar /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images
Oct 23 02:30:22 <xbonesx> lol that would suck if i tried to tar my entire /media/internal/ LMAO
Oct 23 02:30:49 <rwhitby> xbonesx: just use the 'make backup' target in the MetaDoctor to grab all the filesystems
Oct 23 02:31:01 <bpadalino> or that
Oct 23 02:31:11 <rwhitby> it streams the tar across novacom
Oct 23 02:31:30 <xbonesx> im very sry, example?
Oct 23 02:31:50 <xbonesx> metadocter, not even sure what that is
Oct 23 02:31:59 <xbonesx> the webos doctor?
Oct 23 02:32:20 <rwhitby> no, WebOS Internals MetaDoctor
Oct 23 02:32:35 <rwhitby> wiki page and forum threads
Oct 23 02:34:18 <xbonesx> oh ok, lol i just opened the webos doctor in the archive manager and found the image of the pre
Oct 23 02:37:05 <xbonesx> that all i was looking for was a untouched folder of all the images for theming
Oct 23 02:41:41 <xbonesx> opening webos doctor up in the archive manager wont effect anything as long as i dont change anything, right?
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