**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 06 02:59:57 2010 Nov 06 03:13:29 rwhitby: lmao Nov 06 03:14:31 rwhitby: writhe, leather, bather, tray, almost looks like spellcheck gone bad Nov 06 03:22:51 PuffTheMagic: I can show you the find issue if you like Nov 06 03:23:41 PuffTheMagic: when I tried it on your gentoo box the -type l vs -type f behavior was defiitely wrong Nov 06 03:23:49 PuffTheMagic: resulting in md5sum errors Nov 06 03:32:58 destinal, i use find all the time and i never have issues with it Nov 06 03:33:51 PuffTheMagic: may be a bug in an edge case you don Nov 06 03:33:58 don't hit often Nov 06 03:34:51 what is this supposed problem again? Nov 06 03:34:55 sec Nov 06 03:37:17 PuffTheMagic: http://webos.pastebin.com/xTdW1XmP Nov 06 03:37:25 that's the problem Nov 06 03:38:22 since Metadoctor is doing a find . -type f so it can find files to do md5sums on, it grabs symlinks that it shouldn't when find is broken this way Nov 06 03:38:38 and the symlinks also point wrong but it doesn't matter if find ignores them properly Nov 06 03:38:47 interesting Nov 06 03:39:45 destinal, i dont hit that issue Nov 06 03:39:54 i just tried it Nov 06 03:40:29 hmm.. run "type find" are you using /usr/bin/find? Nov 06 03:41:03 http://dpaste.com/271181/ Nov 06 03:41:15 # which find Nov 06 03:41:15 /usr/bin/find Nov 06 03:42:07 and somewhere under /home also? (same fs as I am?) if so this is really bizarre Nov 06 03:42:37 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Nov 06 03:42:39 lol Nov 06 03:42:48 /home is hfsplus Nov 06 03:42:52 aha Nov 06 03:43:22 this is a MBP running gentoo ;) Nov 06 03:43:38 so something about the newer find you have with the build flags it was made with has problems on hfsplus, but my out of the box find 4.4.2 is fine Nov 06 03:44:07 so fyi you'll have problems with metadoctor under /home. if you run it somewhere else, you're probably fine Nov 06 03:46:16 PuffTheMagic: heh, how long did you use OSX before switching? Nov 06 03:47:41 this is my older mbp Nov 06 03:47:49 it has a fresher battery than my acer Nov 06 03:47:56 and its a c2d Nov 06 03:47:58 instead of cd Nov 06 03:48:11 ah, nice. Nov 06 03:48:22 but im using it as a desktop Nov 06 03:48:31 till jan when i buy a core i7 with 12gb ram Nov 06 03:50:59 i figured i would use hfsplus on /home so i could dualboot it Nov 06 03:51:11 but i am trying it out as my primary linux box atm Nov 06 03:51:20 just installed gentoo on it a few days ago Nov 06 03:51:34 i tried linux on my new unibody mbp Nov 06 03:51:36 so it's still installing then? ;) Nov 06 03:51:41 no Nov 06 03:51:54 gentoo takes like 4 hours to install from scratch these days Nov 06 03:51:59 if you go gnome/gtk Nov 06 03:52:04 little longer for kde4 setup Nov 06 03:52:08 qt is a beast Nov 06 03:52:22 its not like im running a 450mhz p3 Nov 06 03:52:37 I'm a kde user ;) Nov 06 03:52:47 i use both Nov 06 03:52:49 never tried to build it with gnome Nov 06 03:53:08 networkmanager gui in kde dont support btpan Nov 06 03:53:19 which i use a lot on my laptop to tether Nov 06 03:53:23 so i use gnome on my laptops Nov 06 03:53:27 and kde4 on my desktops Nov 06 03:53:35 I never liked network manager much either, in kde Nov 06 03:53:51 its crap Nov 06 03:54:03 in kde4 i use wpa_gui mostly Nov 06 03:54:08 since it handles wired too Nov 06 03:54:37 yeah, I'm a fan of wicd, but that's because I have to install gtk anyway for firefox Nov 06 03:54:44 destinal, the stupid touchpad on my new mbp ruined my linux experience Nov 06 03:55:03 i didnt feel like spending hours figuring out how to set the multitouch properly Nov 06 03:55:15 i kept trying to click and it would move the piointer :( Nov 06 03:55:37 Loudergood, no chrome for you? Nov 06 03:55:58 Loudergood, even though kde4 is so sexy i donty use any kde4 apps Nov 06 03:56:05 nope, I get stuck in software ruts Nov 06 03:56:07 xchat and chrome are gtk Nov 06 03:56:19 still love winamp on my windows box Nov 06 03:56:19 only kde app i use is k3b Nov 06 03:56:38 k3b is the THE best burning software ever Nov 06 03:56:43 better than nero Nov 06 03:56:43 oh I agree Nov 06 03:56:56 I also really really liked amarok 1.4 Nov 06 03:57:01 2 not so much Nov 06 03:57:08 i never got into that Nov 06 03:57:22 i used gtkpod when i needed to sync to my ipod Nov 06 03:57:27 and songbird briefly Nov 06 03:57:32 then i just stopped using ipod Nov 06 03:57:55 yeah, my poor rockboxed sansa just sits there now Nov 06 03:58:05 rockbox :D Nov 06 03:58:14 reminds me of my ipodlinux days Nov 06 03:58:44 I swear my first reflex when I get new hardware is "Can I root/hack it?" Nov 06 03:58:45 * PuffTheMagic has linux on nearly every device he owns Nov 06 03:59:21 * ashi_todd too Nov 06 03:59:27 Loudergood, i built a gentoo based car computer for my last car Nov 06 03:59:32 8" widescreen touchscreen Nov 06 03:59:37 like my nook, I had no real need for any of the features you get from the root, but I did it anyway Nov 06 03:59:40 mini itx box under the seat Nov 06 03:59:40 nice Nov 06 03:59:43 xmms2 Nov 06 03:59:47 with custom interface i made Nov 06 03:59:57 cool Nov 06 04:00:01 odb2 integration Nov 06 04:00:04 my one attempt at that failed, the lcd I bought was way too cheap and not bright enough during the day Nov 06 04:00:05 never got the navi shit finnished Nov 06 04:00:16 Loudergood, ya i had that issue too Nov 06 04:00:25 i made night and day modes Nov 06 04:00:29 with different color schemes Nov 06 04:00:38 * halfhalo is to lazy to make his own car comp Nov 06 04:00:54 halfhalo, hardest part was the interface Nov 06 04:01:04 none of the existing apps on linux are designed for fingers Nov 06 04:01:13 i rocked xmms for a while Nov 06 04:01:17 yeah that was a big issue too Nov 06 04:01:19 in double size Nov 06 04:01:26 on fluxbox Nov 06 04:01:30 it was ok Nov 06 04:01:38 but nothing compared to my xmm2 gui Nov 06 04:01:59 unity would be pretty nice for something like that now Nov 06 04:02:05 visualizations in the car was hot Nov 06 04:02:45 * halfhalo would have just made a web based interface to everathang Nov 06 04:05:07 * Nov 06 04:34:13 quick question I downloaded navit with the map and for somereason navit won't open Nov 06 04:47:48 I thought about making a car computer, but I'm happy with my Sprint Pre Plus on my Touchstone car mount. :D Nov 06 04:49:24 navit dont work Nov 06 04:49:29 sprint pre plus? Nov 06 04:50:02 I followed the com board swap / token swap guide. :) Nov 06 04:50:18 hmm haven't played with navit for a while... Nov 06 04:50:36 is there a gps program that don't use signal? Nov 06 04:50:59 navit only uses the gps signal Nov 06 04:51:05 doesn't need data Nov 06 04:53:03 yes but it won't start up Nov 06 04:55:02 fstab fix? Nov 06 04:55:23 search for fstab in preware and install it Nov 06 04:56:02 your an fstab Nov 06 04:56:45 what's that? Nov 06 04:56:54 if you got 1.4.5 over the air Nov 06 04:57:01 brb I'm gonna reboot my phone Nov 06 04:57:07 no, that wont help Nov 06 04:57:09 install fstab fixer Nov 06 04:57:13 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/254622-navit-3d-car-navigation-system.html Nov 06 04:57:17 says it right at the top of the thread Nov 06 04:57:21 I installed it Nov 06 04:57:32 oh, ok Nov 06 04:57:41 brb Nov 06 05:16:12 is there a WebOS Doctor out there for Verizon Palm Pre Plus that uses a pre 1.4.5 package? Nov 06 05:16:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Nov 06 05:17:18 I see a pre plus 1.4.5 package for verizon. Nov 06 05:17:35 danke schon Nov 06 05:17:40 bitte Nov 06 05:28:34 who the hell does /me in private chats anyway Nov 06 05:28:53 * ashi_todd does Nov 06 05:28:59 * ka6sox-work does Nov 06 05:29:24 * egaudet does Nov 06 05:29:27 fu all Nov 06 05:29:33 he he Nov 06 05:29:48 lol Nov 06 05:29:51 I just got a palm pre plus and was wondering if I should try to install preware or precentral's webOS? Nov 06 05:30:04 preware = awesome Nov 06 05:30:11 preware yes Nov 06 05:30:16 precentral has their *own* webOS? Nov 06 05:30:23 i don't know what you mean by precentral's webOS Nov 06 05:30:23 i've no idea what precentral's webOS is Nov 06 05:30:25 preware made of WIN. Nov 06 05:30:37 I have vista on my computer. Can we still be friends? Nov 06 05:30:43 no Nov 06 05:30:46 doubtful Nov 06 05:30:47 maybe Nov 06 05:30:47 i dunno that's tough Nov 06 05:30:49 lol Nov 06 05:31:17 lol I have windows 7 and ubuntu 10.10 :-p Nov 06 05:31:23 I mean I've made exceptions for windoze 7 but vista? I mean you wanna fight Nov 06 05:31:38 My genetic profile is missing the nerd gene, or rather it was damaged in the 70's Nov 06 05:31:39 sambodamon, I'm just kidding btw Nov 06 05:31:46 cancel or allow? Nov 06 05:31:49 vista suxs haha Nov 06 05:32:00 of course Nov 06 05:32:29 fstab worked guys thanks Nov 06 05:32:34 yay. Nov 06 05:32:47 what is danke schonn and bitte Nov 06 05:32:54 thanks and you're welcome Nov 06 05:32:57 yep Nov 06 05:32:59 auf Deutsch Nov 06 05:33:02 Auf Duetch Nov 06 05:33:05 whoops Nov 06 05:33:07 what he sadi Nov 06 05:33:09 said Nov 06 05:33:10 heh Nov 06 05:33:12 blah Nov 06 05:33:16 what is auf deutsch Nov 06 05:33:22 "in german" Nov 06 05:33:26 it gets my gps location really fast I did the gps jack to with qpsd Nov 06 05:33:30 (in german) Nov 06 05:33:43 danke schonn = thank you and bitte = (you're) welcome ? Nov 06 05:33:52 not jack but hack lol Nov 06 05:33:57 and bitte can also mean please... depends on context Nov 06 05:34:15 and I thougth English was hard Nov 06 05:34:24 Englisch is hard. Nov 06 05:34:28 damnit please AND you're welcome :( I suck Nov 06 05:34:47 not reallly Nov 06 05:34:50 bitte bitte Nov 06 05:34:54 I took German in high school, but my accent sucks. Nov 06 05:34:58 its just 1:30am Nov 06 05:35:00 engllish is easy lol Nov 06 05:35:17 my teacher was an Irish American who learned German in France during WWII. Nov 06 05:35:19 1230 here Nov 06 05:35:26 10:30 Nov 06 05:35:29 I was in a play and one of the teachers wrote something dirty in german on the board Nov 06 05:35:43 22:30 here Nov 06 05:35:54 and that remains all I know Nov 06 05:36:00 22:30 here Nov 06 05:36:06 * halfhalo smacks ashi_todd for using big numbers Nov 06 05:36:14 :) Nov 06 05:36:16 * halfhalo also smacks ka6sox-work Nov 06 05:36:21 left coasters :D Nov 06 05:36:22 22:30 - 12:00 = 10:30 Nov 06 05:36:24 well 0030 here haha, Nov 06 05:36:29 when I go to devo mode, where will I find WebOS Quick Install? Nov 06 05:36:37 in real life it is 1:30 Nov 06 05:36:47 you'll download that to your computer Nov 06 05:36:49 devo? flowerpot hats. Nov 06 05:36:51 the rest of the timezones on earth are fake Nov 06 05:36:57 set the clocks back tomarrow Nov 06 05:36:59 are we not men? Nov 06 05:37:02 the cake is a lie Nov 06 05:37:05 some may be. Nov 06 05:37:14 how do i get it onto my pre? Nov 06 05:37:23 you don't Nov 06 05:37:24 nutcraccker? Nov 06 05:37:25 Qi doesn't go on pre Nov 06 05:37:27 * halfhalo is totally going to forget to change his watch tomorrow Nov 06 05:37:29 preware does Nov 06 05:37:33 webos quick install runs on your computer to talk to your pre. Nov 06 05:37:33 preware does Nov 06 05:37:46 http://install.preware.org Nov 06 05:37:47 yes, it will help you put preware on your pre. Nov 06 05:37:51 like that. Nov 06 05:38:02 http://install.preware.org Nov 06 05:38:03 gracias Nov 06 05:38:05 what he said*^^^ Nov 06 05:38:07 de nada Nov 06 05:38:09 de nada Nov 06 05:38:10 * halfhalo goes back to reading up on rtsp stream embedding in a webpage Nov 06 05:38:11 bastid Nov 06 05:38:19 heh Nov 06 05:38:40 time to nuke and pave the server. Nov 06 05:38:41 if I go from embedded development to IT what should I expect? Nov 06 05:38:55 long hours? no sleep? Nov 06 05:38:59 chaos? Nov 06 05:39:00 heartache and dissapointment Nov 06 05:39:20 lol I'm so screwed Nov 06 05:39:27 retards with a direct line to you and an overinflated ego? Nov 06 05:39:32 capslock keyboard, pebcak... Nov 06 05:39:43 cupholders Nov 06 05:39:54 capslock password i mean Nov 06 05:39:55 * halfhalo uses a dvd drive as a cupholder Nov 06 05:40:08 daltonj82: gps jack? qpsd? Nov 06 05:40:11 floppy disks as coasters. Nov 06 05:40:13 I will literally, and I mean literally, walk by someone with my elbow out and knock em upside the head Nov 06 05:40:22 not so many floppy disks now Nov 06 05:40:39 the first ones I used were 8" Nov 06 05:40:46 wow, i saw those once Nov 06 05:40:51 but I need $$ so yeah I guess anything that offers me gets me Nov 06 05:41:01 * halfhalo has a floppy drive somewhere in this house Nov 06 05:41:04 IT here I come! Nov 06 05:41:08 good luck Nov 06 05:41:09 oy... Nov 06 05:41:13 which distro do i install on http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/? Nov 06 05:41:18 * halfhalo uses a 2.5" hd as a coaster Nov 06 05:41:35 sambodamon, webos is the distro... Nov 06 05:41:55 preware feeds are apps mostly Nov 06 05:42:07 (or support libraries) and kernels Nov 06 05:42:15 internals, kernels, or patches? Nov 06 05:42:24 yes Nov 06 05:42:26 INTERNALS :D Nov 06 05:42:38 oh...duh Nov 06 05:42:39 speaking of preware, why is it that you can't install ipkg-opt ipkg's from preware.... that always made me mad Nov 06 05:42:48 you can Nov 06 05:43:08 any particular order, or save them to a folder and launch internals? Nov 06 05:43:10 not the ones from the cqxxxxxxxx feed, only the pre one Nov 06 05:43:10 PuffTheMagic: heh (re touchpad) Nov 06 05:43:41 bbiab...kidlet needs to go to bed. Nov 06 05:43:56 oh right, the feed to grab preware from Nov 06 05:45:51 so, i go to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ and download INTERNALS and run it alone? Nov 06 05:46:04 internals is the feed. Nov 06 05:46:12 (a directory) Nov 06 05:46:22 then you need to get to the pre Nov 06 05:46:32 then which version of webos you are running Nov 06 05:46:41 if you do it manually Nov 06 05:46:44 sambodamon, follow http://install.preware.org Nov 06 05:46:51 exactly and you'll be fine Nov 06 05:47:38 ah, thx. my first viewing of that link didn't fully load Nov 06 05:48:38 and thank you for your kindness, and especially for forgiving my OS Nov 06 05:48:58 np...we are pretty easy going. Nov 06 05:49:07 lol your OS is your preference and I like freedom :) Nov 06 05:49:30 don't ever let anyone take your freedom! :D Nov 06 05:50:12 unless its windows 95. Then you have issues Nov 06 05:50:24 or worse, ME Nov 06 05:50:42 Windows ME that is... Nov 06 05:51:27 yeah ME sucks and not me but you well not you but ME Nov 06 05:51:45 lol Nov 06 05:51:58 it's always sunny in philadelphia is hilariou Nov 06 05:51:58 its way to late for that type of sentence Nov 06 05:51:59 s Nov 06 05:58:31 wow this is alot different then the palm version haha Nov 06 06:03:33 sambodamon: you may find the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the official app catalog to be useful too. Nov 06 06:05:22 ashi_todd: webOS Doctor ist der Beste aller Zeiten!! Zehr Gut!!! Nov 06 06:06:05 tschus!!! Nov 06 06:09:33 daltonj82: gps jack? qpsd? Nov 06 06:11:45 thx +rwhitby Nov 06 06:19:56 ja Nov 06 06:30:37 wohl Nov 06 06:30:58 what did you do Nov 06 06:38:01 did you touch it? Nov 06 06:40:52 where do i find universal search to type for devo mode? Nov 06 06:43:03 nvmd found it Nov 06 06:44:51 ok I can open navit I downloaded the map and put it on the phone. navit opens but don't show a map just a blue dot is there a folder I put the navitmap.bin? Nov 06 06:51:11 any ideas on navit? Nov 06 06:54:26 whats navit? Nov 06 06:56:57 daltonj82: have you read the documentation? Nov 06 06:57:21 follow the Homepage link in the package description in Preware Nov 06 06:57:48 ok Nov 06 07:04:50 sweet thanks got it Nov 06 07:08:17 does anyone know if the otterbox will fit on the pre if I install the extended battery and it's back? Nov 06 07:10:41 no it wont Nov 06 07:12:05 rwhitbv: what about changing from metic units ? Nov 06 07:12:19 does anyone know if the otterbox will fit on the pre if I install the extended battery and it's back door? Nov 06 07:12:53 sambodamon: it wont Nov 06 07:14:12 daltonj82: thanks. Can you recommend a durable case that will or a thinner extended life battery? Nov 06 07:15:06 sambodamon: idk lol sorry Nov 06 07:26:22 night Nov 06 11:59:29 daltonj82: why would anyone ever want to change *from* metric units ... Nov 06 14:39:43 Precentral/treocentral forums are down, correct? Nov 06 14:40:12 yep Nov 06 14:54:48 How's the frankendoc doing? last I checked it was booting the kernel, rootfs but not init and would be in an infinant reset loop Nov 06 16:23:20 hi all, are there any mods that improve signal - or anyone know how to orientate a palm to achieve optimal reception? Nov 06 16:24:00 don't cover the bottom/back with your hand .. Nov 06 16:24:28 Sometimes when I set it down flat it helps. Nov 06 16:24:31 if you held it a couple hundred feet in the air, you'd probably get better LOS to the tower Nov 06 16:26:01 bpadalino: i have it hanging from a planter outside on my porch but it cycles from 1 bar normal to 3 bar 3g - trying to stabilize the signal - how far does the mobile Wifi reach? i could put it up a pole. Nov 06 16:26:37 ashi_todd: i've had it flat, on it's side, verticle, etc... Nov 06 16:30:17 tried roam only? Nov 06 16:32:44 you may just be at the whim of rayleigh and rician fading Nov 06 16:32:51 what type of environment are you in ? Nov 06 16:33:06 urban, extra urban, rural ? Nov 06 16:34:12 VERY Rural Nov 06 16:34:34 ashi_todd: what does Roam only do Nov 06 16:34:48 hrmm .. then probably not fading, but just fringe coverage :( Nov 06 16:35:21 I can literally SEE 4 towers from my porch in various directions, but I would say each tower is at least 15-20 miles away. Nov 06 16:35:32 It's a patch that forces your phone only to roam, not to even try your primary provider. Nov 06 16:35:52 if you can see them, the signal should be pretty strong .. that is somewhat unfortunate Nov 06 16:35:59 are you sure those towers service your carrier ? Nov 06 16:36:09 ashi_todd: so I could hop on the at&t tower that's a half mile down the road? Nov 06 16:36:29 I have Sprint, and in parts of my house, I get about 1 bar, which it tries to hold onto. I turn that on, and I get a good signal on Verizon. Nov 06 16:36:39 +bpadalino those 4 are Verizon towers... only sprint and at&t are close... Nov 06 16:36:50 interesting Nov 06 16:36:56 palmguy: if you're already using GSM then you can hop on AT&T roaming... Nov 06 16:38:50 which provider are you on? Nov 06 16:39:17 that was weird - my palm dropped signal for a sec and I reconnected 0- now there's two of me ... Nov 06 16:39:24 I am verizon Nov 06 16:39:36 so that's not GSM right? Nov 06 16:39:41 ah, then you should be able to roam on Sprint. Nov 06 16:39:44 right, CDMA Nov 06 16:40:31 i wish these companies would quit dicking around and go with a dual gsm/cdma and just concentrate on providing top service.. Nov 06 16:41:04 I'd pay for that. Nov 06 16:42:07 ashi_todd: what would it take to produce a phone that was dual... and make an agreement with carriers to use the towers? Nov 06 16:42:53 like a small company - stuck in a very rural place... set a 15 year agreement with major carriers... Nov 06 16:43:16 and within first 3 years come out with open source phones that work on ALL cariers.. Nov 06 16:43:44 then after 13 years before the agreements run out - you sell to the highest bidder and kick back Nov 06 16:44:03 and get paid to develop kick ass apps & hardware Nov 06 16:44:41 15 year, lol Nov 06 16:45:06 dunno... that might work. Nov 06 16:47:40 I've heard that they're all going use compatible 4G standards..but that may just be a myth Nov 06 16:47:55 going to use Nov 06 16:48:26 That would be nice. Nov 06 16:49:34 hi Nov 06 16:49:47 I'm a libertarian socialist... I think that all utilities that use public commodities should be state owned... Nov 06 16:50:24 ie national carrier network, national rail system, etc Nov 06 16:50:31 way off topic. Nov 06 16:50:57 are there any decent apps that download torrents for WebOS? Nov 06 16:51:08 hi Metaview Nov 06 17:01:09 Probably a good idea... I trust gov't a bit over big business, heh. Nov 06 17:01:28 I haven't found a torrent program for WebOS... Nov 06 17:02:11 I did make a script to grab the last downloaded file and scp it to my desktop's torrent folder (while adding .torrent to the end), where Transmission will pick it up and start it. Nov 06 18:03:29 It feels really weird to be in a palm support chat Nov 06 18:03:40 :) Nov 06 18:03:46 why would you be in there in the first place... Nov 06 18:03:55 and trying to explain to them how I hosed my profile in a 2.0 image and to see if they can revert it Nov 06 18:04:03 this place is not palm support though Nov 06 18:04:18 I'm not talking about here Nov 06 18:04:26 I'm literally talking about the "Palm Support" chat Nov 06 18:04:30 oo Nov 06 18:04:40 I can't poke the profile people I know on a weekend Nov 06 18:04:47 So many a CS person can roll back a profile Nov 06 18:04:51 *maybe Nov 06 18:05:21 * halfhalo bets they say doctor followed by return to carrier Nov 06 18:05:50 If they do that I'll just wait until monday and have a friend fix it Nov 06 18:06:56 rwhitby: do you know of anyone making an effort to "port" optware packages to the pre? Nov 06 18:07:14 ipkg-opt works summatusmentis Nov 06 18:07:30 halfhalo: assuming the binaries are compatible Nov 06 18:08:00 yeah... which they are for some feed which starts with a c Nov 06 18:08:28 hrm Nov 06 18:09:39 "feeds which starts with a c" ? Nov 06 18:11:10 it's something like cs80x or some such Nov 06 18:11:43 everything in here is compatible: http://optwarefind.nslu2-linux.org/packages?utf8=%E2%9C%93&Package[Target]=cs08q1armel&Package[Architecture]=Any&Package[Section]=Any&Package[Package]=&commit=Search Nov 06 18:11:50 WOOOO CRAZY URL! Nov 06 18:12:19 halfhalo: hrm, interesting Nov 06 18:12:23 anybody know of an app that will allow me to send a text message to multiple recipients as I did on my treo 700? Nov 06 18:12:35 messaging? Nov 06 18:12:44 yes Nov 06 18:13:13 when I send a text message to phones Nov 06 18:13:27 no, I wasn't being clear. The standard text messaging app can do that Nov 06 18:13:36 just put more than one person in the "To" line Nov 06 18:13:37 well... I had to uninstall uberkernel again :( Nov 06 18:13:45 oh. ok Nov 06 18:13:47 thx Nov 06 18:13:53 sure thing Nov 06 18:14:07 even with the Palm Default profile my phone becomes unstable and starts to lock up once a day or so Nov 06 18:15:08 the treo aso has a quicktext function that allows quick insertion of text (like directions to a location, etc). can the pre do that too? Nov 06 18:15:29 from the text messaging app Nov 06 18:16:13 there's no "quick access" text that I've found Nov 06 18:16:38 but I haven't really looked Nov 06 18:17:56 When I run WebOS Quick Install, and click the down arrow, I see a list of apps. How do I find descriptions of those? Nov 06 18:28:44 use Preware Nov 06 18:29:02 lol Nov 06 18:44:56 there should be an auto kick feature for mentioning quick install in here :D Nov 06 19:21:12 evening Nov 06 19:25:27 swisstomcat: hey Nov 06 19:25:42 hey destianl Nov 06 19:25:45 destinal even Nov 06 19:25:56 any news on frankendoctor? Nov 06 19:26:20 swisstomcat: I'll look at it later, for now I'm gonna try putting flash on 1.4.5 for the hell of it Nov 06 19:26:28 swisstomcat: I don't think there's news Nov 06 19:26:39 good luck Nov 06 19:29:03 hi Nov 06 19:29:17 MetaView: heya Nov 06 19:29:24 sambodamon: you can usethe autocorrect ftr Nov 06 19:30:26 hallo metaview Nov 06 19:30:39 getting ready for google developer day in munich this tuesday Nov 06 19:31:59 oh Nov 06 19:32:03 I'm not there... Nov 06 19:32:18 but enjoy and pick up your google phone (if they gave one away) Nov 06 19:33:45 I should really do more webos coding these days... Nov 06 19:33:59 there's also a bootcamp by the google technology user group on monday Nov 06 19:35:09 hm, I should ask my brother if he's going to munich, but he's not online right now Nov 06 19:35:32 * MetaView goes to pick up a movie for tonight Nov 06 20:12:49 interestingly this is in the flash config file Nov 06 20:12:51 # 1: enable local apps only Nov 06 20:12:51 # 2: enable webbrowser only Nov 06 20:12:51 # 3: enable webbrowser and apps Nov 06 20:12:58 flash local apps? Nov 06 20:13:27 hmm Nov 06 20:13:35 gross Nov 06 20:13:46 flash is a virus Nov 06 20:14:15 PuffTheMagic: yeah but for some enterprises it could be handy, I've seen some thick client air apps that could be ported easily with local support. I agree flash is evil overall Nov 06 20:17:45 flash is evil, flash is also not going anywhere unfortunately Nov 06 20:19:31 I just checked out cross-compile.git, did 'make toolchain' and it died on building dmg2img Nov 06 20:19:37 :-| Nov 06 20:20:37 jacques, get a funtoo livecd and emerge crossdev ;) Nov 06 20:20:50 jacques: if it's using scratchbox sometimes it randomly crashes and running it again usually fixes it Nov 06 20:20:56 no idea why Nov 06 20:21:36 were new deps added? trying to check that Nov 06 20:22:06 dmg2img.h:18:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory, dmg2img.h:19:19: error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory Nov 06 20:23:24 I don't see those mentioned on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Prerequisites Nov 06 20:25:10 hmm, no luck just dropoing in flash and hoping it works, tried editing the settings in /etc/adobe config files too to force it to launch automatically as opposed to click-to-start. I think it could be beacause the sqlite prefs database is missing the flash pieces, tried using the 2.0 browser app to see if I can set them the normal way but it hangs starting up so is probably missing other things. I could set the database settings ma Nov 06 20:26:01 you could extract fro mthe db what it is looking for? Nov 06 20:27:11 MetaView: well they're bound to be missing from the 1.4.5 database. I could look at the stock 2.0 database and see what the defaults are I suppose Nov 06 20:27:30 yes, that's what I thought about Nov 06 20:28:10 mainly I was hoping for an easy win since if it's hard I'll just focus on getting 2.0 working instead until I'm convinced it won't work, first Nov 06 20:28:45 (as we know it just works in 2.0) Nov 06 20:29:31 ah OK I see libz-dev libbz2-dev in prereqs Nov 06 20:30:48 now it's complaining about openssl includes Nov 06 20:31:29 oops libssl-dev is listed too Nov 06 20:34:47 MetaView: hmm, no db3 files in the 2.0 rootfs, seems things have changed Nov 06 21:01:39 now cross-compile is stopped because it's trying to patch libSDL but "can't find file to patch" Nov 06 21:03:43 http://webos.pastebin.com/buPV7jL4 Nov 06 21:21:10 im trying to access my pixi plus' files while in recovery mode...has anybody here done that before? Nov 06 21:21:29 so far the only way to get them to come up was membooting and i couldnt get to the folder i wanted Nov 06 21:42:30 hmm, changing the -p1 to -p0 in the libsdl Makefile fixed the patching process Nov 06 22:47:57 now cross-compile failed while attempting to patch evas Nov 07 00:18:25 Evening everyone... Has work on the FrakenDoctor halted because of the Dbag on the forums? Or just the thread Nov 07 00:18:43 just the thread Nov 07 00:18:50 see @webosinternals on Twitter Nov 07 00:19:23 ok thanks rod Nov 07 00:34:28 hmm MHS stopped working Nov 07 00:34:38 not forwarding any packets Nov 07 00:34:58 and can't seem to enable it, even manually Nov 07 00:44:19 * ashi_todd follows Nov 07 00:44:20 thanks Nov 07 00:49:24 the 3G icon keeps disappearing when MHS is on Nov 07 01:02:28 s Nov 07 01:02:53 anyone know meta-doctor really well? Nov 07 01:04:27 seb_or_sam: rwhitby wrote it, does that count? :) Nov 07 01:04:46 haha, well yes, of course, but I don't wanna bother him Nov 07 01:05:25 someone called "T0F3R" in the precentral thread wrote: A6=Keyboard! Good work Watson.. is this a tip from someone @ palm? Nov 07 01:06:05 if so that would leave stingray as the palmpad Nov 07 01:06:09 destinal: did they find that in the 2.0 dr? Nov 07 01:06:26 seb_or_sam: yeah I found the codenames in the 2.0 dr Nov 07 01:06:30 stingrays are big and flat Nov 07 01:06:41 destinal: nice! Nov 07 01:06:49 destinal: I'm going through the doctor too Nov 07 01:07:10 very interesting stuff there Nov 07 01:08:01 destinal: did you see the pic of the virtual KB background Nov 07 01:08:03 ? Nov 07 01:11:57 seb_or_sam: haven't really gone looking yet, this was during the frankendoctor search, I was grepping roadrunning in the class fil.es Nov 07 01:12:01 that's cool though Nov 07 01:12:56 destinal: nice. you lost me at "grepping roadrunning in the class file.es" tthough ;) Nov 07 01:15:23 destinal: if you wanna see the virtual kb background i'll post the path Nov 07 01:16:59 seb_or_sam: sure Nov 07 01:17:12 destinal: ok one sec... need to check Nov 07 01:21:28 destinal: nova-cust-image-roadrunner.rootfs/usr/palm/sysmgr/images/keyboard-background.png Nov 07 01:21:46 destinal: err... that's /usr/palm/sysmgr/images/keyboard-background.png Nov 07 01:22:06 just don't forget that I was the one who found it ok? ;) Nov 07 01:22:12 :) Nov 07 01:22:53 destinal: see it? Nov 07 01:23:52 and yes I looked in that keyboard folder too... not much too see. Just a few icons for things like backspace and shift Nov 07 01:26:49 seb_or_sam: what did you want to know about the metadoctor? Nov 07 01:27:18 rwhitby: how to use CUSTOM_CARRIER_TARBALL Nov 07 01:27:43 seb_or_sam: that's the wr.tar or sprint.tar or att.tar you find in the doctor Nov 07 01:27:55 just point it to the pathname of a replacement one Nov 07 01:28:00 rwhitby: I know, but I'm pretty clueless with the doctor so I don't know where to put it, etc. Nov 07 01:28:06 rwhitby: oh! Nov 07 01:28:14 rwhitby: I specify the path Nov 07 01:28:23 yep Nov 07 01:28:30 rwhitby: got it. I thought there was somewhere it needed to go. Nov 07 01:28:55 seb_or_sam: note that there be dragons were you are treading Nov 07 01:29:09 and unicorns if you play your cards right Nov 07 01:29:14 you can easily cause your modem to be inoperable going down that path Nov 07 01:29:23 rwhitby: well, I'm using a standard verizon tarball, but with ONE twist Nov 07 01:29:34 rwhitby: I removed he VZ Nav IPKs Nov 07 01:29:37 seb_or_sam: just leaving out GPS stuff should be fine Nov 07 01:29:45 good Nov 07 01:29:53 hoping to uncripple the GPS Nov 07 01:30:01 or de-cripple if you prefer Nov 07 01:30:01 seb_or_sam: let us know how that goes Nov 07 01:30:05 I shall Nov 07 01:31:51 so I just add CUSTOM_CARIER_TARBALL to the bottom of the list for user changes and point it to verizon.tar? Nov 07 01:32:06 it appears as if the powervr is the same on the 3630 for the pre2 as pre. Nov 07 01:32:15 seb_or_sam: yes Nov 07 01:32:39 ka6sox: specs are up on the public TI site I think Nov 07 01:32:44 rwhitby: ok. good. I think I get it... Nov 07 01:32:53 * rwhitby bbl Nov 07 02:06:54 rwhitby:wait, carrier tarballs don't talk to the modem directly, do they? I thought they were just specific apps and such provided by the vendor Nov 07 02:07:18 bookmarks and lgos and what have you as well Nov 07 02:07:25 s/lgos/logos/ Nov 07 02:07:25 destinal meant: bookmarks and logos and what have you as well Nov 07 02:15:50 carrier tarballs are is all webos shit Nov 07 02:18:40 destinal, cant we pressure palm for 2.0 kernel patches Nov 07 02:18:45 since 2.0 is out and GPL Nov 07 02:21:41 jacques, http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP36xx_ES1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vM.pdf Nov 07 02:22:38 PuffTheMagic: well so far I just asked politely of their opensource email address Nov 07 02:22:47 ka6sox, tyvm Nov 07 02:22:50 PuffTheMagic: they said they're packaging it up and will have it on the site soon Nov 07 02:23:36 will you forward me your email Nov 07 02:23:45 so ic an send a simlar polite message Nov 07 02:29:13 lol Nov 07 02:29:36 did anyone notice there is a 2.6.25 kernel on palms site now Nov 07 02:29:50 for the pixi Nov 07 02:30:37 Adora: ah, yeah, I see. cool. Nov 07 02:31:06 I knew for a while pixi's kernel wasn't out there Nov 07 02:31:26 .25 is a massive leap Nov 07 02:31:39 really? interesting Nov 07 02:32:30 i dont understand why they have 2 patches Nov 07 02:32:38 they should just roll it up into 1 Nov 07 02:33:35 Has anyone tried the psfreedom kernel module ps3 jailbreak on 145? Nov 07 02:36:18 okay so...the kernel package is a 2.6.25 but the patches are for 2.6.24? um... Nov 07 02:36:31 ya Nov 07 02:36:36 that is reasonable Nov 07 02:38:18 Hi everyone, did I miss too much about the FrankenDoctor over the last 4 hours after PreHype's stupid posts? :) Nov 07 02:40:37 ka6sox, i've applied many "upstream" patches to older kernels with out failing Nov 07 02:40:59 im sure it they either failed to rename the patch Nov 07 02:41:10 or the its really .24 Nov 07 02:42:03 ya, I would hope so...we should verify that (that either the source or the patch is incorrectly named). Nov 07 02:44:30 * ka6sox starts that. Nov 07 02:44:43 * halfhalo makes popcorn and watches Nov 07 02:46:25 * PuffTheMagic hates the "make popcorn expression" Nov 07 02:46:36 its usually rwhitby making it waiting for me to make an ass of my self Nov 07 02:46:52 lol Nov 07 02:47:30 ha ha...thats good. Nov 07 02:49:47 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found Nov 07 02:49:47 19:44:19 ERROR 404: Not Found. Nov 07 02:49:47 anyone using linux on intel procs with "turbo mode" like the i7 and i5 ? Nov 07 02:49:53 so its a typo Nov 07 02:50:27 both the link and the name on the webpage are consistent but doesn't really exist Nov 07 02:51:04 PuffTheMagic: hehe, it used to be just you debating something that would signal time for popcorn -- you have a fairly agressive style of debate :) Nov 07 02:51:39 jacques: nope, why Nov 07 02:51:43 destinal, i just ask questions Nov 07 02:51:49 ask people to explain theme selves Nov 07 02:51:59 and that seems to be something people dont want to do Nov 07 02:52:00 PuffTheMagic: I mean that you don't sugar coat or tiptoe like some do Nov 07 02:52:09 just like "wtf?" Nov 07 02:52:53 it totally works for me but some people get pissed when you're direct Nov 07 02:53:06 halfhalo, my machine doesn't seem to be going into turbo mode Nov 07 02:53:32 what are you trying to do Nov 07 02:54:20 halfhalo, verify that turbo mode is working under linux on my machine - I expect to see it go to 3.33GHz when only one core is loaded, yet cpufreq-info and /proc/cpuinfo both say 2.66GHz Nov 07 02:54:31 destinal, i have to provoke discussion, its how i learn, it only turns into arguments when people resist ;) Nov 07 02:55:46 PuffTheMagic: and I was just thinking that we've had a lot of useful stuff figured out from these kinds of arguments, also Nov 07 02:55:47 this is running Fedora14, which has 2.6.35.6 kernel, so it should be new enough, I just dunno if there's something else I need to do to enable turbo Nov 07 02:56:42 turbo is not dependent on the os though... are you sure its only a single core being stressed enough? Nov 07 02:57:03 and it will jump in and out of turbo really fast, and if your cpu is to hot it will not trigger Nov 07 02:57:25 making people question things and defend positions is good for improving / evolving things Nov 07 02:57:41 halfhalo, what bothers me is cpufreq-info lists max speed per core/thread as 2.66 Nov 07 02:58:10 it may set that at boot though... which is what it would be at max Nov 07 02:58:21 destinal, im always thinking outside of the box and pushing limits, i need people to help constrain and refine those thoughts Nov 07 02:58:25 I'm running bzflag, which is notorious for loading a single core Nov 07 02:59:09 okay so I guess I should email the opensource email @ palm and ask them to fix that link. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 07 02:59:57 2010