**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 07 02:59:58 2010
Nov 07 03:03:22 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: I mean to go back to frankendoctor but I'm distracted by the reprap 3d printer motherboard a friend of mine and I are designing and daydreaming about what you could do with multitouch on a webos tablet.   (multitouch remote desktop for ubuntu unity and microsoft surface comes to mind, and 3d sculipting with 5 point inputs and an accelerometer) -- hard to focus.
Nov 07 03:04:44 <destinal> I wonder how hard it would be to reverse engineer Nook or Kindle's iphone apps since they're not likely to come up with webos ports and a webos tablet would be a good ebook reader
Nov 07 03:05:00 <destinal> we just need an online store to get new books from as well as pdf and epub
Nov 07 03:05:23 <PuffTheMagic> im sure there will be a kindle app
Nov 07 03:06:03 <halfhalo> I think kindle is waiting on hybrid, and I would not be suprised if nook was also
Nov 07 03:06:23 <destinal> on the one hand, a tablet's just different in size, but on the other hand, it's really used totally differently
Nov 07 03:07:09 <PuffTheMagic> they need to figure out how to do desktop widgets within webos
Nov 07 03:07:20 <PuffTheMagic> else tablets will be lots of wasted spce
Nov 07 03:07:21 <PuffTheMagic> space
Nov 07 03:08:53 <destinal> I wonder... a lot of the webos ui is javascript including the launcher, do we need pam to change anything?  has anyone played with the new touchstone mode where apps display stuff?
Nov 07 03:09:04 <destinal> I wonder how much that can be made to do widget things
Nov 07 03:09:28 <destinal> s/pam/palm
Nov 07 03:10:06 <halfhalo> Make the background system a mojo app.  boom, done
Nov 07 03:11:59 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, exhibition is not complete yet
Nov 07 03:12:11 <destinal> exhibition, right
Nov 07 03:13:23 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, i dont want full blown apps running in the background
Nov 07 03:13:32 <oc80z> whats good
Nov 07 03:13:34 <PuffTheMagic> i want want real widget suppport
Nov 07 03:13:35 <destinal> I hope the tablets have bluetooth.  the new bluetooth serial could make a lot of stuff possible.  I'm thinking about making an adapter that plugs into an iphone dock and lets you use iphone controls over webos music player etc
Nov 07 03:13:41 <oc80z> c40 going to work out
Nov 07 03:14:25 <egaudet> jacques, I don't think you get the current frequency reported in turbo mode
Nov 07 03:14:26 <destinal> serial terminals could be handy, and infrared remote controls
Nov 07 03:14:26 <halfhalo> PuffTheMagic: what I mean was if the background was an app, you could pass it information to make a widget, sorta like with notifications
Nov 07 03:15:13 <destinal> an I2c to bluetooth adapter for a nunchuk would be nice, I think the nunchuk would be cooler for webos games than a wiimote
Nov 07 03:15:16 <PuffTheMagic> i want an api/framwork where i can add/rearrange widgets like i can move apps in the launcher
Nov 07 03:15:36 <PuffTheMagic> granted, that would be very limited on a pre screen
Nov 07 03:15:46 <PuffTheMagic> but more useful on a tablet
Nov 07 03:15:56 <PuffTheMagic> but much appreciated on a pre
Nov 07 03:16:02 <PuffTheMagic> if they had widgets
Nov 07 03:16:06 <PuffTheMagic> and hid the launcher
Nov 07 03:16:11 <PuffTheMagic> i would actually use the wave launcher
Nov 07 03:17:03 <oc80z> dont let big brother take over.
Nov 07 03:17:27 <oc80z> save the sheep. program for hp.
Nov 07 03:18:45 <destinal> oc80z: huh?
Nov 07 03:20:20 <destinal> mmmm, a bluetooth serial NES controller...  you'd have to set the pre on a touchstone to play properly though
Nov 07 03:21:38 <scoutcamper> for vbadvance :D
Nov 07 03:21:58 <destinal> scoutcamper: definitely.
Nov 07 03:22:08 <destinal> hmm, not a very expensive part either  -- http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9913
Nov 07 03:22:54 <ka6sox> sparkfun is an excellent source
Nov 07 03:23:08 <linuxjacques> sparkfun FTW
Nov 07 03:24:29 <destinal> we never did get usb host working but I did get it to try, it gave power but never enumerated.  I should look at that again, usb would be easier.  but if it's not physically possible at least we can steal power from the pre..
Nov 07 03:25:11 <destinal> wouldn't need batteries in the bt controllers
Nov 07 03:25:48 <ka6sox> I think with the pre there are spots with a USB Host.
Nov 07 03:26:07 <destinal> ka6sox: spots?
Nov 07 03:26:14 <ka6sox> on the boards.
Nov 07 03:26:29 <egaudet> linuxjacques, what available frequencies are reported?
Nov 07 03:26:35 <PuffTheMagic> i cant get the jailbreak mod for ps3 working
Nov 07 03:26:38 <PuffTheMagic> it just reboots my phone
Nov 07 03:26:48 <destinal> ka6sox: it's a USB OTG chipset and I can make it go into host mode with the right cable but no more than that
Nov 07 03:27:02 <destinal> ka6sox: it provides power but won't communicate
Nov 07 03:27:41 <ka6sox> so the kernel doesn't have the support?
Nov 07 03:28:27 <egaudet> and are you using acpi-cpufreq module
Nov 07 03:28:28 <destinal> ka6sox: it looked like it did but wasn't enumerating but this was a while ago
Nov 07 03:28:55 <destinal> ka6sox: and before we had our own kernel working to hack on
Nov 07 03:29:07 <ka6sox> I should look at the 4030 docs to see if there is a problem there.
Nov 07 03:29:19 <ka6sox> (like it needs to be put in a different mode)
Nov 07 03:30:29 <linuxjacques> egaudet, available frequency steps: 2.67 GHz, 2.67 GHz, 2.53 GHz, 2.40 GHz, 2.27 GHz, 2.13 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.87 GHz, 1.73 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.47 GHz, 1.33 GHz, 1.20 GHz
Nov 07 03:31:13 <halfhalo> yup, its not showing turbo mode
Nov 07 03:33:06 <egaudet> yes it is
Nov 07 03:33:11 <egaudet> that first one is P0 turbo
Nov 07 03:34:21 <linuxjacques> 2.67 is the "normal" speed; it's supposed to go up to 3.33 in turbo
Nov 07 03:34:26 <egaudet> of course the frequency will vary at any given time by hardware
Nov 07 03:34:40 <egaudet> linuxjacques, I bet it -will- but you will not see that change in cpuinfo
Nov 07 03:34:46 <linuxjacques> egaudet, how can I tell if it's working?
Nov 07 03:36:24 <egaudet> linuxjacques, I'm not sure if there is an existing utility to measure the current frequency but run a benchmark, then set it to the P1 frequency and run it again
Nov 07 03:37:20 <linuxjacques> egaudet, ah I see what you meant now - first and second frequencies are listed as the same
Nov 07 03:37:38 <egaudet> they should be different by like 1 MHz or something
Nov 07 03:37:53 <egaudet> I think just to differentiate/control
Nov 07 03:38:41 <egaudet> linuxjacques, just found this, not sure if it will help you:  http://code.google.com/p/i7z/
Nov 07 03:39:31 <linuxjacques> egaudet, sweet, thanks
Nov 07 03:40:27 <egaudet> np, I've actually been working on / learning this stuff at work the past week so it's fresh in my mind
Nov 07 03:41:34 <ka6sox> destinal did you find the control bits to change the TWL_4030 into a host instead of a target?
Nov 07 03:42:39 <egaudet> speaking of TWL4030, has anyone tried to use the hardware voltage scaling stuff in the kernel on Pre?
Nov 07 03:42:56 <linuxjacques> egaudet, that tool's pretty neat. it says turbo is enabled
Nov 07 03:43:11 <egaudet> nice, does it report the measured frequency?
Nov 07 03:44:26 <egaudet> re: volt scaling, using CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_VMODE rather than CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS
Nov 07 03:44:28 <ka6sox> egaudet, the Android guys have...and jhojho I think has done some in warthog.
Nov 07 03:44:55 <egaudet> from what I understand it should allow those with "strong" devices to operate at lower voltages automatically
Nov 07 03:45:05 <linuxjacques> egaudet, and when I run yes, I can see the freq going up to 3.3GHz
Nov 07 03:46:46 <linuxjacques> egaudet, yeah it reports the measured freq
Nov 07 03:47:03 <egaudet> nice, I may have to play with it on Monday :)
Nov 07 03:47:26 <destinal> ka6sox: you could echo   host  or otg    /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode   or something,  setting host caused the kernel to panic,  setting otg and putting in the right cable caused it to work as a host for power at least
Nov 07 03:47:40 <destinal> s/otg/otg >/
Nov 07 03:47:40 <infobot> destinal meant: ka6sox: you could echo   host  or otg >    /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode   or something,  setting host caused the kernel to panic,  setting otg and putting in the right cable caused it to work as a host for power at least
Nov 07 03:48:21 <destinal> could have been that I didn't have the right modules in my kernel or there was an issue somewhere
Nov 07 03:49:16 <ka6sox> destinal, i think that when I read the usb_gadget code it would seem that if you changed the mode that the resulting status to cause the USB code to crash.
Nov 07 03:49:58 <kesne> Hello all!
Nov 07 03:50:14 <ka6sox> morning
Nov 07 03:50:54 <ka6sox> s/status to/would
Nov 07 03:52:12 <destinal> ka6sox: ah, good to know.  so you need to remove usb_gadet from the kernel first?
Nov 07 03:53:35 <ka6sox> let me look @ how they implement it...
Nov 07 03:54:15 <ka6sox> I need to re-read the code and see what its expecting for status from the TWL (and what changes when you switch modes)
Nov 07 03:56:42 <ka6sox> it may have to do also with these:
Nov 07 03:56:43 <ka6sox> twl4030_usb_set_bits(twl, TWL4030_OTG_CTRL, TWL4030_OTG_CTRL_DRVVBUS);
Nov 07 04:34:09 * scoutcamper wants a VZW Pre 2
Nov 07 04:34:11 <scoutcamper> :D
Nov 07 05:03:51 <quotemstr> Wait -- wifi doesn't support AES-only WPA2?
Nov 07 05:10:39 <scoutcamper> ummm quotemstr idk
Nov 07 05:11:09 <quotemstr> That's a little worrisome considering that attacks exist against TKIP .
Nov 07 05:11:32 <quotemstr> My new Pre (which now has working wifi again!) wouldn't connect to my AES-only network, but as soon as I enabled TKIP, it worked fine.
Nov 07 05:12:07 <scoutcamper> idk rwhitby or egaudet or PuffTheMagic any comment?
Nov 07 05:27:09 <sambodamon> how do I download quick text? http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/quick-text
Nov 07 05:27:33 <sambodamon> must I use NEATO, and if so, where do I get it?
Nov 07 05:36:22 * quotemstr is insanely happy to have a non-broken Pre again.
Nov 07 05:48:52 <destinal> quotemstr: what was broken?
Nov 07 05:49:19 <quotemstr> destinal: It wouldn't connect --- it complained about an invalid username or password.
Nov 07 05:52:17 <destinal> ah, ok
Nov 07 06:01:03 <quotemstr> Holy cow, there have been a lot of patches added over the past year.
Nov 07 06:20:18 <rwhitby> destinal: carrier tarballs include carrier-specific firmware for some of them, and verizon carrier firmware also somehow crippled the GPS to their own navigation software, and there are also services as well as mojo apps.
Nov 07 06:20:34 <rwhitby> carrier-specific modem firmware that is
Nov 07 06:21:00 <rwhitby> they are much much more than just webOS apps.
Nov 07 06:21:22 <quotemstr> I'm shocked, shocked to see Verizon crippling a phone.
Nov 07 06:32:34 <curious1> I am shocked to see HP go with Verizon for a first release.  The sprint pre was palms fault, but the major downfall on the Pre plus is Verizon's.  (at least form what i have read.  I am sure there are bags of money behind the decision that i dont understand)
Nov 07 06:39:50 <quotemstr> Apparently you can get the Pre Plus to run on Sprint though.
Nov 07 06:40:07 <quotemstr> But if you're going to go through that much trouble, you might as well get a GSM phone.
Nov 07 09:01:34 <rwhitby> I doubt whether anyone in the public or press knows the real story behind the relationships between HP/Palm and the various US carriers.
Nov 07 09:02:26 <rwhitby> Most people just regurgitate opinions and guesses from tech bloggers without any basis in fact.
Nov 07 09:03:37 <ashi_todd> I get a sweet deal on Sprint, which is why I was happy to learn I could hack a Pre Plus to work on Sprint.
Nov 07 09:03:48 <ashi_todd> My niece works for Sprint.
Nov 07 09:05:45 <ashi_todd> G'night.
Nov 07 09:08:04 <ka6sox> nite
Nov 07 10:01:40 <quotemstr> So WebOS 2 is available on some phones now.
Nov 07 10:01:52 <quotemstr> But porting efforts have stalled because the kernel source isn't available.
Nov 07 10:01:58 <quotemstr> Isn't that a blatant GPL violation?
Nov 07 10:02:04 <ka6sox> no
Nov 07 10:02:26 <quotemstr> HP is distributing Linux, which is GPLv2d, without the corresponding source code. Yes?
Nov 07 10:02:27 <ka6sox> gpl says you have to request it
Nov 07 10:02:46 <ka6sox> and its been requested.
Nov 07 10:02:47 <quotemstr> GPL says the company can provide a written offer. Have they?
Nov 07 10:02:51 <ka6sox> yes
Nov 07 10:02:57 <quotemstr> Fair enough.
Nov 07 10:48:59 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 07 14:51:23 <hape> Hi
Nov 07 15:41:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi PuffTheMagic
Nov 07 19:33:18 <thebitguru> Hi, I just ran pdk-device-install and it installed dropbear on the pre, but when I ssh to the device it keeps timing out
Nov 07 19:34:05 <MetaView> over usb?
Nov 07 19:34:33 <thebitguru> installed over usb, but the pre is also connected to the wifi so I was ssh'ing using the wifi ip
Nov 07 19:34:48 <thebitguru> I can successfully ping the ip
Nov 07 19:35:04 <thebitguru> got the ip from a novacom session
Nov 07 19:35:17 <thebitguru> I mean novaterm
Nov 07 19:36:03 <MetaView> the pdk-device-install open the port only for usb connection
Nov 07 19:36:15 <MetaView> please read the docs on palm.com
Nov 07 19:36:39 <thebitguru> MetaView: hmm... my bad.  I will go read the docs.  Thanks!
Nov 07 19:36:46 <MetaView> :)
Nov 07 19:37:22 <thebitguru> I have used dropbear through preware and I was thinking that this might be setup similarly :)
Nov 07 19:37:56 <MetaView> no, the setup from palm is different: no keyfile, but password-less access only over usb
Nov 07 19:38:05 <MetaView> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1973&Itemid=336
Nov 07 19:38:15 <MetaView> "note about security"
Nov 07 19:38:58 <thebitguru> yup, I was skimming through that earlier and overlooked that :)
Nov 07 19:39:48 <thebitguru> oh, I didn't know about nova-browser.  That's awesome, exactly what I needed :D
Nov 07 19:51:17 <destinal> MetaView: I never saw this,  that's awesome
Nov 07 19:51:59 <destinal> though I don't know why they recommend openssh for devs when novacom is already there
Nov 07 19:52:41 <destinal> maybe their plugins for visual studio and xcode ssh to the device? hmm..
Nov 07 20:02:32 <MetaView> hm, is there a plugin for VS which connects to the device?
Nov 07 20:02:38 <MetaView> haven't seen it
Nov 07 20:32:03 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, scp is way more convent than novacom put
Nov 07 20:32:14 <PuffTheMagic> since scp handles * and -R
Nov 07 20:32:21 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: true
Nov 07 20:32:23 <PuffTheMagic> and doesnt make you name every output file
Nov 07 20:41:59 <Deceptive> Is it possible to custom rom the Pre?
Nov 07 20:44:41 <ka6sox> what are roms?
Nov 07 20:45:13 <SineOt> ka6sox: I think they mean something along the lines of like, the Cyanogen Roms you'd use on Android.
Nov 07 20:45:21 <SineOt> In which case: No, just patch what you don't like.
Nov 07 20:45:39 <destinal> ka6sox: they're these chips that you can burn with code and put in a cartridge for your atari :)
Nov 07 20:46:17 <ka6sox> oh wait...I have those in my Game boy
Nov 07 20:46:28 <Deceptive> What about custom themes?
Nov 07 20:46:31 <ka6sox> er rather DS light
Nov 07 20:46:33 <Deceptive> someone keeps askin me
Nov 07 20:46:38 <ka6sox> Deceptive, yes
Nov 07 20:46:42 <ka6sox> themes we gots
Nov 07 20:47:07 <destinal> Deceptive: custom OS installers are copyright violation because you're copying the manufacturar's copyright protected content (whether it be google's or palm's)
Nov 07 20:47:09 <Deceptive> you need preware and it "basically rooted" right?
Nov 07 20:47:19 <Deceptive> oh
Nov 07 20:47:20 <ka6sox> pres don't "root
Nov 07 20:47:32 <ka6sox> they are put in dev mode
Nov 07 20:47:33 <Deceptive> they enable something simular
Nov 07 20:47:39 <destinal> Deceptive: there's "developer mode" .  you turn that on, install preware, and you can then do whatever
Nov 07 20:47:40 <Deceptive> which is quite simular
Nov 07 20:47:52 <Deceptive> alright thank you for your help and time
Nov 07 20:47:55 <Deceptive> I sincerely appreciate it
Nov 07 20:47:57 <ka6sox> its with the blessing of Palm
Nov 07 20:48:12 <ka6sox> not like other manufacturers who are "jailbreaking
Nov 07 20:48:15 <ka6sox>  to
Nov 07 20:48:17 <ka6sox> get things you need
Nov 07 20:48:34 <Deceptive> do you need to be in dev in order to install themes?
Nov 07 20:48:40 <SineOt> No.
Nov 07 20:48:48 <destinal> Deceptive: have you seen the wiki listed in the topic?
Nov 07 20:48:54 <Deceptive> i will
Nov 07 20:49:02 <destinal> Deceptive: and preware can be used to install themes
Nov 07 20:49:14 <Deceptive> thanks :)
Nov 07 20:49:43 <Deceptive> home brew apps need to be installed with dev mode enabled right?
Nov 07 20:49:59 <SineOt> Nope...
Nov 07 20:50:07 <Deceptive> oh
Nov 07 20:50:13 <Deceptive> alright thanks :)
Nov 07 20:50:18 <Deceptive> much appreciated it
Nov 07 20:50:18 <SineOt> You just need Preware.
Nov 07 20:50:22 <Deceptive> for all your help
Nov 07 20:50:26 <ka6sox> any time
Nov 07 20:50:28 <SineOt> To get that on, you need dev mode-After that you can turn it off
Nov 07 20:50:32 <destinal> Deceptive: dev mode is used to install stuff over USB.  you really ony need it on while you install preware but you can turn it off after.  (no big reason to so most people don't)
Nov 07 20:50:47 <Deceptive> oh okay
Nov 07 20:50:51 <Deceptive> dev mode dont need on for wifi tethering?
Nov 07 20:50:57 <Deceptive> i wifi tethered one pre so far
Nov 07 20:51:01 <Deceptive> but needed dev mode enabled
Nov 07 20:51:08 <Deceptive> to install over preware
Nov 07 20:51:11 <Deceptive> thanks again
Nov 07 20:51:18 <destinal> ?
Nov 07 20:51:35 <ka6sox> another happy customer
Nov 07 20:52:18 * ka6sox goes back to gathering stats on how many times preware has been downloaded and how many of each app has been too.
Nov 07 20:52:37 <ka6sox> VBA is #2 so far
Nov 07 20:52:39 <destinal> ka6sox: I'd be curious to know about preware and terminal
Nov 07 20:53:27 <ka6sox> I'm gathering up all that
Nov 07 20:53:30 * ashi_todd has terminal on quicklaunch
Nov 07 20:53:49 <ka6sox> the poor machine is grunting under the strain of parsing 8GB of logs
Nov 07 20:55:48 <destinal> ashi_todd: I hope people are using it mostly trouble free,I feel bad because I haven't done much on the project for several months
Nov 07 20:56:36 <destinal> and the other 3 major contributers kind of faded away  a while ago
Nov 07 21:33:07 * rwhitby notes that all of Deceptive's questions are answered in the Preware Hombrew Documentation app ;)
Nov 07 21:34:32 * halfhalo doesn't believe that.  That would make it to easy
Nov 07 21:36:30 <ka6sox> ^too easy
Nov 07 21:37:17 * halfhalo sold that o for soda
Nov 07 21:37:32 <halfhalo> they have great trade in value
Nov 07 22:22:29 <chrisa> The backup util always seems to run indefinitely. I'm not convinced it actually does anything
Nov 07 22:23:00 <ka6sox> thats scary
Nov 07 22:23:24 <chrisa> ah, and now I see some threads about how it is broken and has no maintainer
Nov 07 22:23:54 <chrisa> Was a sms restore ever figured out?
Nov 07 22:24:09 <bpadalino> not restore, but save ..
Nov 07 22:24:40 <bpadalino> the databases in the backend i think were all associated with unique IDs of contacts.. but those IDs were not necessarily the same every time they were entered
Nov 07 22:24:49 <bpadalino> at least that's what it looked like to me :(
Nov 07 23:10:38 <rwhitby> chrisa: yeah, that backup util is bad news
Nov 07 23:11:07 <rwhitby> using it to backup is not dangerous (in most cases it just hangs anyway).  using it to restore can screw your palm profile.
Nov 07 23:11:36 <rwhitby> save/restore has SMS backup to HTML files, but no restore.  Perhaps for 2.0 ...
Nov 07 23:15:05 <chrisa> I can partly understand why a system would be designed so that backup/restore on messages is difficult due to various contact sources
Nov 07 23:15:24 <chrisa> But it's still frustrating that not even a one off solution was put in place
Nov 07 23:15:38 <chrisa> You always have phone numbers to fall back on
Nov 07 23:16:02 <rwhitby> chrisa: basically, I couldn't find a safe API to insert them back into the mix
Nov 07 23:16:16 <rwhitby> and it was too intertwined to hack
Nov 07 23:16:32 <chrisa> right, the messaging db is horribly overcomplicated
Nov 07 23:18:06 <bpadalino> indeed
Nov 07 23:18:19 <rwhitby> looks better on 2.0 from what I've seen of the schema files in the doctor
Nov 07 23:40:51 <ben_> can someone help point me in the right direction... I want like a trash folder or recycle bin for text messages / sms so I don't swipe and delete something that I didn't mean to... its too easy to just swipe and hit delete.... any ideas of how to make it save a copy of the message/conversation somewhere else when i hit delete, or maybe a backup that doesn't require sync and will backup sms messages right after they are receive
Nov 07 23:41:30 <ben_> even something to send them to like an extra email account for backup purposes or archiving...  anything close to any of this??
Nov 07 23:42:30 <SineOt> have you... accidentally swiped and deleted a lot of stuff?
Nov 07 23:42:40 <SineOt> it should pop up the "Delete/Cancel" thing o_o
Nov 07 23:44:35 <ben_> not w sms on the pixi
Nov 07 23:45:01 <SineOt> does on mine!
Nov 07 23:45:16 <SineOt> let me check what patches I have installed
Nov 07 23:46:21 <SineOt> oh, the buttons behind the thing are what I'm talking about
Nov 07 23:57:32 <ben_> hmm
Nov 07 23:57:49 <ben_> mine it just swipe, then delete or cancel...
Nov 07 23:58:04 <ben_> even if it said confirm.... the problem is if i delete the wrong message
Nov 07 23:58:07 <ben_> i'll still hit confirm
Nov 07 23:58:30 <ben_> and its like impossible to recover, even w the db file and sqlite...
Nov 08 00:01:23 <SineOt> well... hrm
Nov 08 00:01:37 <SineOt> it'd be easier to just be more careful than to code in some kind of message copy thing :s
Nov 08 00:05:10 <ben_> ya but like a month ago when i was trying to figure out how to recover something I thought I came across somethin on the webos internals wiki that was used to like backup all the texts to a memory card or sim card or something like that... i don't remember where it was, just thought it might be a starting point
Nov 08 00:05:43 <SineOt> you can back them up, but can't restore them, and there's no easy way to read them
Nov 08 00:06:17 <rwhitby> SineOt: Save/Restore saves messages in HTML format, readable in a browser.
Nov 08 00:06:28 <SineOt> Oooooh~
Nov 08 00:06:45 <ben_> is that the name of an app?
Nov 08 00:06:50 <ben_> save/restore
Nov 08 00:06:56 <rwhitby> SMS, MMS and IM messages that is. Not email (use GMail for that)
Nov 08 00:07:12 <ben_> ya email isn't an issue... trash folder for those anyways
Nov 08 00:07:14 <rwhitby> yes, it's featured in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the official app catalog.
Nov 08 00:07:27 <rwhitby> go download it now :)
Nov 08 00:07:48 <ben_> cool i'll check it out
Nov 08 00:08:13 <ben_> does it backup automatically
Nov 08 00:08:59 <rwhitby> not yet. looking for a mojo dev to add scheduling features to it
Nov 08 00:10:02 <ben_> hmm
Nov 08 00:10:50 <ben_> when i open the db file in an sqlite editor... I can see all the triggers, the actions linked to the WebOS UI, like when you mark it for deletion....
Nov 08 00:11:28 <ben_> think I could edit one of the triggers that has to do with receiving an sms to run the script?
Nov 08 00:11:33 <rwhitby> good luck decoding the intertwined synergy schemas - it made my brain hurt too much to try and restore anything
Nov 08 00:12:04 * halfhalo saw amelia earhart in there once
Nov 08 00:14:44 <ben_> REATE TRIGGER all_flagged_update_unread AFTER UPDATE OF flags ON com_palm_pim_FolderEntry WHEN (NEW.flags&32)=32 AND NEW.email=1 AND (NEW.flags&1)=0 AND (OLD.flags&1)=1 AND EXISTS (SELECT folder.use FROM com_palm_pim_Folder AS folder WHERE folder.id = NEW.com_palm_accounts_ActiveRecordFolder_id AND folder.use != 3) BEGIN UPDATE com_palm_accounts_ActiveRecordFolder SET unreadCount = unreadCount + 1 WHERE syncKey="_All_Flagged_"
Nov 08 00:14:57 <ben_> sorry
Nov 08 00:15:06 <ben_> thats the update unread trigger...
Nov 08 00:16:15 <ben_> i was thinking... i don't have to understand how its all intertwined maybe???  just somehow add a command to run the script to the end of a trigger like that
Nov 08 00:16:36 <ben_> sorry my coding skills are really novice and linux understanding is even worse
Nov 08 00:17:54 <rwhitby> I'm not aware of how to get sqlite3 to execute external shell scripts
Nov 08 00:20:05 <ben_> ohhh... the commands only work internal or between db files?  like everything that trigger changes and accesses is all within the db file anyways... hmm
Nov 08 00:21:53 <ben_> well it stores the sms data there, maybe i can figure out which is the "sms delete" trigger and somehow change it to just store the sms data in another location w/in the db file instead of removing it completely
Nov 08 00:22:05 <PuffTheMagic> maybe u could add a extra flag to the sms like "deleted"
Nov 08 00:22:13 <PuffTheMagic> which gets set when u swipe delte
Nov 08 00:22:22 <PuffTheMagic> then use a patch to hide the message istead of removing it
Nov 08 00:22:45 <PuffTheMagic> and have a special view which shows sms's tagged as delete
Nov 08 00:22:53 <ben_> ya, that sounds reasonable... i'll try that direction
Nov 08 00:22:54 <PuffTheMagic> and then have  a real delete option
Nov 08 00:24:39 <ben_> can u think of any patches for sms that would be easy to start from and edit the action of an already existing button/option to hide/unhide ones w that tag?
Nov 08 00:25:14 <PuffTheMagic> not off the top of my head
Nov 08 00:25:30 <PuffTheMagic> first step would be figuring out if u can add a extra field to the sms storage with out breaking shit
Nov 08 00:25:38 <PuffTheMagic> if u can then the rest is easy
Nov 08 00:27:25 <ben_> it already reads syncKey = "_All_Flagged_"
Nov 08 00:28:41 <ben_> i can use an existing tag or something and just have the delete trigger change the value, read that value as the ones that should be hidden...
Nov 08 00:28:47 <ben_> i'll look around, thanks for ideas
Nov 08 01:10:04 <thebitguru> hi, where is the build log for preware repositories (git.webos-internals.org)?
Nov 08 01:10:21 <daltonj82> quick question how do I chang the settings in navit so it won't read km/h I want it to read mph
Nov 08 01:10:30 <rwhitby> jhojho: does SysHealth work well enough to fix suspected corrupt sqlite db's yet?
Nov 08 01:10:43 <rwhitby> thebitguru: logs.nslu2-linux.org
Nov 08 01:10:54 <rwhitby> thebitguru: "tinker" is the machine to look for
Nov 08 01:11:09 <jhojho> dunno
Nov 08 01:11:13 <rwhitby> thebitguru: are you going to update WOL to change the Java service to C or JS ?
Nov 08 01:11:15 <jhojho> i havent looked at it in months
Nov 08 01:11:35 <jhojho> where are you seeing corrupt dbs?
Nov 08 01:11:40 <thebitguru> rwhitby: nope, it is still java.  I am just pushing some updates.
Nov 08 01:11:49 <halfhalo> ewww, hava
Nov 08 01:12:04 <rwhitby> jhojho: wusaint is loosing cookies.  I suspect corrupted dbs
Nov 08 01:12:12 <jhojho> oh
Nov 08 01:12:18 <jhojho> have to get on his phone
Nov 08 01:12:28 <ashi_todd> daltonj82: just learn km :)
Nov 08 01:12:32 <jhojho> there might be a file with a -journal extension
Nov 08 01:12:36 <rwhitby> jhojho: e.g. govnah settings, preware settings, etc
Nov 08 01:12:38 <jhojho> have to remove that
Nov 08 01:12:53 <jhojho> I had that problem a while back iirc
Nov 08 01:13:03 <jhojho> or maybe it was a -lock
Nov 08 01:13:11 <jhojho> either case,
Nov 08 01:13:13 <jhojho> log in
Nov 08 01:13:22 <jhojho> kill lunasysmgr (just in case)
Nov 08 01:13:24 <daltonj82> ashi_todd: haha I can pass on that right?
Nov 08 01:13:49 <ashi_todd> daltonj82: heehee. I seem to remember there was a P|C thread that mentioned how to do that...
Nov 08 01:14:00 <ashi_todd> change to miles, not learn kilomitres
Nov 08 01:14:22 <rwhitby> jhojho: lost his wIRC settings too
Nov 08 01:14:36 <jhojho> then sqlite the db in question
Nov 08 01:14:42 <jhojho> and that should clean things up
Nov 08 01:14:46 <rwhitby> ashi_todd: your arm is going to be sore after 1000 mitres
Nov 08 01:14:58 <rwhitby> and you'll need to re-sharpen the saw too
Nov 08 01:15:26 <ashi_todd> but I'll have a lot of nice woodwork by then.
Nov 08 01:15:44 <rwhitby> indeed, those joints will be perfect after that much practice
Nov 08 02:15:01 <thebitguru> rwhitby: do I have permission to publish changes to Makefiles?
Nov 08 02:15:44 <rwhitby> thebitguru: for your apps, absolutely.
Nov 08 02:16:55 <thebitguru> http://dpaste.com/272103/
Nov 08 02:17:09 <thebitguru> I am trying to push changes to wolservice and wolui
Nov 08 02:17:54 <rwhitby> thebitguru: you have to use the push url
Nov 08 02:18:05 <rwhitby> git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/...
Nov 08 02:18:41 <thebitguru> git push git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git  ?
Nov 08 02:18:50 <rwhitby> no
Nov 08 02:19:05 <rwhitby> git push git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git
Nov 08 02:19:46 <thebitguru> Oh, I see.
Nov 08 02:25:40 <thebitguru> rwhitby: hmm... are only jpg images supported in the screenshots or will pngs work as well?
Nov 08 02:31:04 <webOSSUCKs> web os SUCKS
Nov 08 02:31:12 <thebitguru> lol, really?
Nov 08 02:31:18 <webOSSUCKs> why would anyone buy a pixi or pre
Nov 08 02:31:21 <webOSSUCKs> get a damn driod
Nov 08 02:31:28 * halfhalo has a droid and hates it
Nov 08 02:31:28 <webOSSUCKs> webos is a damn fail
Nov 08 02:31:31 <webOSSUCKs> wanna be apple
Nov 08 02:31:36 * halfhalo also has webOSSUCKsip
Nov 08 02:31:42 <thebitguru> webOSSUCKs: what are you trying to achieve with this conversation? :)
Nov 08 02:31:51 <webOSSUCKs> i cant even download preware
Nov 08 02:31:58 <webOSSUCKs> god HP SUCKS
Nov 08 02:32:13 <webOSSUCKs> why the hell do i keep getting a error code
Nov 08 02:32:14 <webOSSUCKs> wtf
Nov 08 02:32:19 <thebitguru> what error code?
Nov 08 02:32:28 <Loudergood> Steve Jobs got into the hard cider again..
Nov 08 02:32:30 <webOSSUCKs> when i try to install preware
Nov 08 02:32:34 <ka6sox> do you have a question?
Nov 08 02:32:47 <webOSSUCKs> YES WHY THE HELL DOES WEBOS SUCK?
Nov 08 02:32:52 <webOSSUCKs> pixi sucks
Nov 08 02:32:57 <webOSSUCKs> always goes into airplane mode
Nov 08 02:32:58 <webOSSUCKs> why?
Nov 08 02:33:01 <webOSSUCKs> i dont get it
Nov 08 02:33:09 <webOSSUCKs> why they cant make a useful phone
Nov 08 02:33:15 <webOSSUCKs> the battery life is terrible
Nov 08 02:33:22 <webOSSUCKs> hotspot sucks
Nov 08 02:33:28 <webOSSUCKs> phone gets hot like a damn stove
Nov 08 02:33:33 * halfhalo goes to google
Nov 08 02:33:38 <bpadalino> you bring up great points ..
Nov 08 02:33:38 <webOSSUCKs> i could cook eggs on it
Nov 08 02:33:52 <ashi_todd> sounds convenient
Nov 08 02:34:00 <Loudergood> it's cold where I'm from, hot is a bonus
Nov 08 02:34:17 <ka6sox> JohneeWarmer
Nov 08 02:34:22 <webOSSUCKs> ok can someone tell my why the hell i'm getting an error code when i try to install preware
Nov 08 02:34:34 <webOSSUCKs> it says error:1 connection refused
Nov 08 02:34:43 <ashi_todd> are you in developer mode?
Nov 08 02:34:50 <webOSSUCKs> yess
Nov 08 02:34:59 <ashi_todd> hmm
Nov 08 02:35:38 <bpadalino> well that's odd .. why not just get rid of your webos device and get a different one?
Nov 08 02:35:47 <bpadalino> android or iphone or what have you?
Nov 08 02:35:51 <ka6sox> hmmm...I use palm install and have NO problems.
Nov 08 02:35:52 <webOSSUCKs> oh i will
Nov 08 02:35:57 <webOSSUCKs> im getting the driod X
Nov 08 02:36:04 <webOSSUCKs> hahahhah goodbye webos
Nov 08 02:36:08 <halfhalo> see ya
Nov 08 02:36:09 <webOSSUCKs> THEY DONT EVEN HAVE GOOD APPS
Nov 08 02:36:12 <webOSSUCKs> they suck
Nov 08 02:36:20 <halfhalo> dont let the door hit you on the way out
Nov 08 02:36:22 <webOSSUCKs> how can they call it an app store
Nov 08 02:36:40 <bpadalino> no reason to bother installing preware then .. don't bother :)
Nov 08 02:36:55 * rwhitby gets the popcorn
Nov 08 02:36:58 <webOSSUCKs> i need preware god damnit
Nov 08 02:37:04 <destinal> lol
Nov 08 02:37:09 <webOSSUCKs> i need to install patches that webos fail to offer
Nov 08 02:37:28 <bpadalino> nah - it sucks completely .. just yank the battery and be done with it
Nov 08 02:37:33 <webOSSUCKs> YOU CANT EVEN DELETE A DAMN CONTACT without having to install a PATCH!!
Nov 08 02:37:38 <webOSSUCKs> are you kidding me?!?!
Nov 08 02:37:40 <oil> dont feed the troll
Nov 08 02:37:44 * halfhalo just did
Nov 08 02:38:00 <halfhalo> contact DELETED
Nov 08 02:38:05 <bpadalino> amusing
Nov 08 02:38:11 <webOSSUCKs> How am i trolling? Im just point out all the flaws that webos has.
Nov 08 02:38:16 <oil> where is an op when one is needed?
Nov 08 02:38:17 <halfhalo> http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=98.204.182.19
Nov 08 02:38:22 <oil> lol
Nov 08 02:38:30 <halfhalo> ops are eating popcorn
Nov 08 02:38:42 <ashi_todd> mmm
Nov 08 02:38:49 <webOSSUCKs> even the OPs suck
Nov 08 02:39:04 <webOSSUCKs> \why do you guys waste your time using webos?
Nov 08 02:39:11 <halfhalo> just to make you mad
Nov 08 02:39:39 <webOSSUCKs> i cant wait for my driod. im gona post a youtube video of me breaking this god damn pixi in half
Nov 08 02:39:59 <webOSSUCKs> pixi is such a gay phone anyway
Nov 08 02:40:30 <thebitguru> when does the webos internals repository get updated with changes?
Nov 08 02:40:42 <webOSSUCKs> it doesnt
Nov 08 02:40:45 <ka6sox> popcorn with REAL butter...not that fake carp.
Nov 08 02:40:59 <ashi_todd> mmm fake carp
Nov 08 02:41:03 <oil> thebitguru: what repo are you talking about?
Nov 08 02:41:09 <webOSSUCKs> OK SO DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY I CANT DOWNLOAD PREWARE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
Nov 08 02:41:10 <halfhalo> ka6sox: yupyup
Nov 08 02:41:15 <thebitguru> oil: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary
Nov 08 02:41:24 <halfhalo> BECAUSE YOU CANT FORM A COMPLETE QUESTION
Nov 08 02:41:35 <webOSSUCKs> omg
Nov 08 02:41:35 <ashi_todd> :D
Nov 08 02:41:40 <oil> i believe the autobuilder is every 15 mins?
Nov 08 02:41:45 <webOSSUCKs> wow people here suck
Nov 08 02:41:48 <webOSSUCKs> cant even help me
Nov 08 02:42:00 <rwhitby> bummer
Nov 08 02:42:01 <ka6sox> well..maybe if you were nicer.
Nov 08 02:42:09 <gabe2gg> webosucks why u so mad tho?
Nov 08 02:42:11 <webOSSUCKs> ok
Nov 08 02:42:12 <webOSSUCKs> im sorry
Nov 08 02:42:30 <rwhitby> too late buddy
Nov 08 02:42:34 <oil> no you're not
Nov 08 02:42:36 <oil> lol
Nov 08 02:42:37 <webOSSUCKs> now can i get some help so i can download patches that webos fails to offer
Nov 08 02:42:42 <rwhitby> no
Nov 08 02:42:57 <webOSSUCKs> LOL omg please
Nov 08 02:42:59 <oil> download "preware homebrew documentation" from the official catalog
Nov 08 02:43:01 <oil> it explains it all
Nov 08 02:43:10 <oil> haha
Nov 08 02:43:12 <rwhitby> oil: nice one
Nov 08 02:43:29 <webOSSUCKs> when the hell does webos 2.0 come out? hopefully they will have a contact delete tool
Nov 08 02:43:32 <ka6sox> oil is RIGHT...thats the answer.
Nov 08 02:43:55 <webOSSUCKs> I just dont understand how a cell phone doesnt have a delete option for a contact
Nov 08 02:43:58 <rwhitby> you don't have 2.0 already?
Nov 08 02:44:02 <webOSSUCKs> that doesnt even make sense
Nov 08 02:44:05 <webOSSUCKs> no
Nov 08 02:44:09 <rwhitby> bummer
Nov 08 02:44:17 <webOSSUCKs> gimme it?
Nov 08 02:44:27 <webOSSUCKs> howd you get it
Nov 08 02:44:31 <rwhitby> no
Nov 08 02:44:36 <webOSSUCKs> :(
Nov 08 02:44:38 <webOSSUCKs> please
Nov 08 02:45:20 <summatusmentis> have you even tried searching for answers to your questions?
Nov 08 02:46:33 <webOSSUCKs> tell me how to get 2.0
Nov 08 02:46:38 <rwhitby> no
Nov 08 02:46:44 <webOSSUCKs> why not
Nov 08 02:47:00 <rwhitby> you are not worthy
Nov 08 02:47:04 <webOSSUCKs> omg
Nov 08 02:47:07 <halfhalo> and a prick
Nov 08 02:47:18 <oil> and you're feeding it
Nov 08 02:47:29 <webOSSUCKs> I just want answers
Nov 08 02:47:36 <webOSSUCKs> you guys fail to do anything
Nov 08 02:47:36 * halfhalo is bored and nothing is on tv
Nov 08 02:47:37 <scoutcamper> webOSSUCKs, if it sucks-why be her?
Nov 08 02:47:54 <webOSSUCKs> well i have a pixi
Nov 08 02:47:56 <scoutcamper> s/her/here
Nov 08 02:48:00 <webOSSUCKs> and i need to download patchs for it
Nov 08 02:48:08 <webOSSUCKs> so im here to get help
Nov 08 02:48:08 <webOSSUCKs> duhh
Nov 08 02:48:32 <scoutcamper> get preware
Nov 08 02:48:39 <scoutcamper> preware.org
Nov 08 02:48:58 <webOSSUCKs> no i want 2.0 now
Nov 08 02:49:07 <rwhitby> scoutcamper: oil already pointed out the Preware Homebrew Documentation app
Nov 08 02:49:38 <webOSSUCKs> but i want 2.0!!!!!
Nov 08 02:49:51 <rwhitby> bummer
Nov 08 02:49:55 <scoutcamper> webOSSUCKs, there is no way to do it yet, just wait like everyone else on the planet not in france
Nov 08 02:50:13 <destinal> ~smart-questions
Nov 08 02:50:13 <infobot> from memory, smart-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Nov 08 02:50:24 <webOSSUCKs> but thats not gona be for another month!! i dont like waiting
Nov 08 02:50:27 <rwhitby> ~botsnack
Nov 08 02:50:27 <infobot> thanks, rwhitby
Nov 08 02:51:24 <summatusmentis> webOSSUCKs: no one was 2.0 except the france people
Nov 08 02:52:00 <webOSSUCKs> someone here make a patch for the pixi so i can use the camera light while im using the video app
Nov 08 02:52:05 <summatusmentis> there have been some people working on trying to make it work on current pre's, but those efforst are not functional yet
Nov 08 02:52:15 <destinal> webOSSUCKs: sir, yes, sir!
Nov 08 02:52:19 <summatusmentis> also, demanding things is not a good way to get things done
Nov 08 02:52:34 <scoutcamper> webOSSUCKs demanding does nothing, asking politely might get something
Nov 08 02:52:40 <destinal> webOSSUCKs:  would you like fries with that?
Nov 08 02:53:07 <webOSSUCKs> I mean if they come with fries then why not
Nov 08 02:53:14 <scoutcamper> webOSSUCKs, boohoo
Nov 08 02:53:38 <destinal> ~fries
Nov 08 02:53:58 <destinal> aww.  infobot needs educated I see
Nov 08 02:54:40 <webOSSUCKs> why is HP even making another pre? who the hell is going to want to buy that.
Nov 08 02:55:05 <webOSSUCKs> Webos is a terrible software, a bunch of apple wannabes who wont worthy of working with apple made such a shitty software
Nov 08 02:55:06 <oil> all this attention, the troll must be on cloud 9
Nov 08 02:55:26 <halfhalo> or speed
Nov 08 02:55:42 <webOSSUCKs> i have had 3 pixis in the last 6months
Nov 08 02:55:51 <webOSSUCKs> thats saying something
Nov 08 02:56:08 <halfhalo> you break phones alot?
Nov 08 02:56:44 <appstuh> that says something about you and the hardware. software isn't hardware you idiot
Nov 08 02:57:13 <webOSSUCKs> whocares
Nov 08 02:57:19 <webOSSUCKs> the software and hardware SUCK
Nov 08 02:57:22 <webOSSUCKs> CHEAP PHONES
Nov 08 02:57:27 <webOSSUCKs> i got this damn phone for free
Nov 08 02:57:32 <webOSSUCKs> verizon even hated it'
Nov 08 02:57:44 <webOSSUCKs> they sold it for FREE plus with mobile hotspot
Nov 08 02:57:45 <webOSSUCKs> hahahhhahha
Nov 08 02:58:05 * halfhalo tried to go make more popcorn but the microwave is in use
Nov 08 02:58:09 <scoutcamper> webOSSUCKs, are you like an apple employee? or steve jobs?
Nov 08 02:58:31 <Loudergood> I told you Steve got into the hard cider again..
Nov 08 02:58:32 <b-man`> infobot: ping
Nov 08 02:58:32 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 08 02:58:34 <appstuh> yesh, webOS sucks so much everyone copies it and loves the cards metaphor.. oh, sorry. you don't know that word,do you
Nov 08 02:58:40 <b-man`> ~burn webOSSUCKs
Nov 08 02:58:41 * infobot pours gasoline all over webOSSUCKs, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
Nov 08 02:58:44 <webOSSUCKs> If i were i would have a damn Iphone not a shitty Pixi phone
Nov 08 02:59:13 * ka6sox has his finger on the button.
Nov 08 02:59:34 <halfhalo> NOOOOO
Nov 08 02:59:41 <halfhalo> I'm still bored
Nov 08 02:59:45 <rwhitby> ka6sox: he's getting boring now
Nov 08 02:59:47 <webOSSUCKs> ok everyone needs to stop hating on me. WEBOS is a FAIL, it will never be better then driod or apple, NEVER EVER
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