**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 13 02:59:57 2010
Nov 13 03:05:38 <destinal> Colombia: well it is a proven solution at least, so there's that
Nov 13 03:06:02 <Colombia> ok te doctor is doen :)
Nov 13 03:08:10 <Colombia> i will have to tackle the ssh tomorrow
Nov 13 03:08:18 <Colombia> i need to catch some sleep :D
Nov 13 03:11:35 <Colombia> good night and thanks for your help
Nov 13 03:14:57 <destinal> Colombia: good night, good luck :)
Nov 13 03:49:15 <Colombia> seems like i just re dmanaged my pre hahahahahahhaha i am a dumb assss!!!!!!!
Nov 13 03:53:45 * oil smells a topic change
Nov 13 04:00:29 <Colombia> very funny oil hahhahha
Nov 13 04:01:46 * halfhalo would change it if he could
Nov 13 04:03:27 <Colombia> hahahahah
Nov 13 04:04:02 <halfhalo> and that is why they don't let me play with nice things
Nov 13 07:52:10 <R_E> anyone here?
Nov 13 07:52:43 <cryptk> R_E, I am here
Nov 13 07:53:15 <R_E> do you know stuff about lunix?
Nov 13 07:53:22 <R_E> linux*
Nov 13 07:54:06 <R_E> since no one want to work on it, i'm trying to install vlc optware with my limited knowledge
Nov 13 07:56:51 <R_E> anyhoo,after installing several dependencies it installed, but when i run it, it refuses to run as root
Nov 13 08:03:26 <R_E> also, it says "vlc: unsatisfied recommendation for faad2" and several other codecs when installing . the also have optware ipk's. not sure if i should install them as well
Nov 13 08:06:59 <cryptk> hrm, I haven't done much with vlc optware at all
Nov 13 08:08:28 <rwhitby> R_E: how do you intend on displaying the video from vlc?  or are you just going to use it for transcoding?
Nov 13 08:09:29 <R_E> thats the thing, i just want to see if it works, so i guess yes to the transcoding
Nov 13 08:10:18 <R_E> however, i saw a sdl plugin http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/expat_2.0.1-1_arm.ipk
Nov 13 08:10:26 <R_E> opps wrong link
Nov 13 08:10:32 <R_E> http://linuxappfinder.com/package/vlc-plugin-sdl
Nov 13 08:11:03 <R_E> i'm really not qualified to do this stuff with my limited knowledge of linux
Nov 13 08:11:27 <R_E> i only kinda know how this stuff works
Nov 13 08:27:41 <R_E> so i assume i need to create a non root user, does anyone know hot to do that?
Nov 13 09:16:41 <R_E> not sure anyone is still here, but i figured out how to adduser and got vlc to run
Nov 13 09:17:04 <R_E> obviously, no video output though
Nov 13 09:26:55 <tmzt_dg2root> R_E: so compile against the webos version of libsdl
Nov 13 09:31:13 <R_E> when i said earlier that i was not qualified to do this, i wasnt kidding. I don;t know how to compile
Nov 13 09:39:09 <R_E> anyhoo, its late, i'm gonna go to sleep
Nov 13 11:47:42 <GarthPS> hello everyone
Nov 13 12:10:00 <GarthPS> I want to make an introspection of the pre 2 hardware and or libs. so I f someone can help me and tell me where to put this . or if it is already done by someone
Nov 13 12:10:15 <GarthPS> thx
Nov 13 12:10:58 <GarthPS> (for thje moment I will post this on the wiki of FSO http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware
Nov 13 12:19:55 <cryptk> GarthPS, what do you mean by an introspection?
Nov 13 12:20:49 <GarthPS> cryptk: I want to list all its components
Nov 13 12:21:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> cryptk, dmesg, find / etc,,,
Nov 13 12:21:30 <GarthPS> to find te differents from the first pre.
Nov 13 12:21:45 <GarthPS> cryptk: yes but I am not very skilled for that so I need some help
Nov 13 12:21:50 <cryptk> GarthPS, you could post it on the webos internals wiki
Nov 13 12:22:25 <GarthPS> cryptk: I am already posting it on fso right now... :) but we could make a link
Nov 13 12:22:45 <GarthPS> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/Palm_Pre_2
Nov 13 12:22:50 <cryptk> well, the webos-internals wiki is considered the "one stop shop" of sorts for in depth webos information
Nov 13 12:23:41 <GarthPS> cryptk: yes .. not false :)
Nov 13 12:24:41 <GarthPS> ok I am ok to do this on webosinternal's wiki but as I said I need help for finding infos..
Nov 13 12:25:24 <GarthPS> and where do I put it on your wiki ?
Nov 13 12:27:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, I think you should post on webos-internals wiki and link from fso then
Nov 13 12:27:45 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: yes, It is what I was thinking. So I do that
Nov 13 12:27:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Nov 13 12:28:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, maybe put in research
Nov 13 12:29:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> add a palm-pre-2 page
Nov 13 12:29:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> and put everything in there for now
Nov 13 12:29:14 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: or in hardware and add a pre 2 ?
Nov 13 12:29:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> research would be better I think
Nov 13 12:29:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> look what's in there:
Nov 13 12:29:33 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: no you are right as it will not only be hw
Nov 13 12:30:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> examples of research: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_mpt
Nov 13 12:32:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, or beter: create a page and link both in research and in hardware
Nov 13 12:33:04 * GNUtoo|laptop thinks that research and hardware are redundant
Nov 13 12:35:07 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: under which name ?
Nov 13 12:35:18 <GarthPS> Palm Pre 2 introspection ?
Nov 13 12:35:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> PalmPre2HardwareComponentsResearch ?
Nov 13 12:36:57 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: all sticks ?
Nov 13 12:37:02 <GarthPS> sticked ?
Nov 13 12:37:08 <GarthPS> no space ?
Nov 13 12:37:42 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: would you mind if you create it ? :)
Nov 13 12:38:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok but pastebin me the infos
Nov 13 12:39:55 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: oh this I can do but It is just to find a good name and a good place :)
Nov 13 12:40:10 <GarthPS> for the page
Nov 13 12:40:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, I don't think I would find a better name than the one I jsut found
Nov 13 12:41:01 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: ok then . So PalmPre2HardwareComponentsResearch for the entry and for the title of the page ?
Nov 13 12:43:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Nov 13 12:43:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> for the page
Nov 13 12:43:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> but put a better name
Nov 13 12:43:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> for the link
Nov 13 12:43:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> such as palm pre 2 hardware components research(or what hardware does the palm-pre 2 have)
Nov 13 12:45:32 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: which page? :) it is for thoses dum question that I thought you are better than me to create entry
Nov 13 12:45:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 13 12:46:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> I create the entry and you populate it?
Nov 13 12:46:21 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: yes. one moment I drop the edit page
Nov 13 12:46:32 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: ok
Nov 13 12:47:20 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: you make links in research and hardware too ?
Nov 13 12:48:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> of course
Nov 13 12:50:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmPre2HardwareAndDriversInformations
Nov 13 12:51:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> pastebin your dmesg
Nov 13 12:52:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, or rather do that:
Nov 13 12:52:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> put your dmesg in a file
Nov 13 12:52:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> and do:
Nov 13 12:53:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> sed 's/^/ /' -i file
Nov 13 12:53:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> and open the file again
Nov 13 12:53:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> and raw paste it to the wiki
Nov 13 12:54:42 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop:  about the wiki , your new page is not visible on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research
Nov 13 12:55:54 <GarthPS> and about dmesg Is it normal that It only contains mac adress ? http://pastebin.com/DVmppUx2
Nov 13 13:02:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, no it's not normal
Nov 13 13:02:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, I'll keep it on hardware for now
Nov 13 13:02:58 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: ahh :)
Nov 13 13:03:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, reboot and retry dmesg
Nov 13 13:03:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> by reboot I mean the palm-pre-2
Nov 13 13:03:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> else look in the logs
Nov 13 13:04:31 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: ok. "I will kkep it on hardware for now" , about the wiki ?
Nov 13 13:04:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Nov 13 13:05:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> because of the title I gave
Nov 13 13:05:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think it's more suited to hardware
Nov 13 13:05:32 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: on so no link to research ?
Nov 13 13:05:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Nov 13 13:05:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> we can add it later
Nov 13 13:06:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> getting a dmesg is more important than wehere it is
Nov 13 13:06:14 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: ok
Nov 13 13:06:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> so please get your dmesg
Nov 13 13:06:24 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: I rebbot my pre 2
Nov 13 13:09:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 13 13:09:52 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: ah much better but stile some mac adress ..I should skip them before post them right ?
Nov 13 13:11:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> put XX:XX:XX as the 3 last things for the mac address if you want
Nov 13 13:11:51 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: oh in fact I still miss the biginning of dmesg..
Nov 13 13:12:10 <GarthPS> I start at [    1.230000]
Nov 13 13:12:11 <GarthPS> ..
Nov 13 13:12:33 <GarthPS> I will try with my darling's one
Nov 13 13:13:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 13 13:15:19 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: no mac adress messages but incomplet dmesg, only 227 lignes
Nov 13 13:15:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 13 13:15:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> you copuld paste anyway
Nov 13 13:17:26 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: yesh but how to set to display more lines ?
Nov 13 13:17:35 <GarthPS> if it is possible..
Nov 13 13:17:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, DISPLAY?
Nov 13 13:17:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> you're trough ssh?
Nov 13 13:17:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> or novacom
Nov 13 13:18:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> or the free novacom replacement?
Nov 13 13:18:35 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: an middified novacom as the official one still not work with new pre 2
Nov 13 13:18:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 13 13:18:45 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: so the free one
Nov 13 13:18:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Nov 13 13:19:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> so do that:
Nov 13 13:19:02 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: perhaps via ssh it could be better ?
Nov 13 13:19:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> dmesg > dmesg
Nov 13 13:19:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> and pull the dmesg file
Nov 13 13:19:38 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: how to pull it ? I don"t know novacom a lot
Nov 13 13:19:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't remember
Nov 13 13:19:53 <GarthPS> :)
Nov 13 13:29:32 <Loudergood> have the pdk installed? look for nova-browser
Nov 13 13:37:07 <GarthPS> Loudergood: you mean palm-sdk ?
Nov 13 13:37:27 <Loudergood> yeah I guess the pdk is part of the sdk now
Nov 13 13:38:42 <GarthPS> Loudergood: I have installed this palm-sdk_1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465_i386.deb but I don"'t have nova-browser
Nov 13 13:41:45 <Loudergood>  guess they still don't include the pdk on linux...disappointing
Nov 13 13:42:51 <Loudergood> I have to head to work, I'll check that out more when I get back in about 4 hours
Nov 13 13:46:35 <GarthPS> Loudergood: ok thanks! then I will like to have a like to the pdk
Nov 13 13:46:50 <GarthPS> to have a link not a like
Nov 13 14:41:04 <gtz1893> hi
Nov 13 14:41:31 <gtz1893> anyone here
Nov 13 14:43:13 <gtz1893> i am about to do the radio board swap from a verizon pixi plus to a sprint pixi. I wanted to know if the sprint ROM has native support for wifi
Nov 13 15:57:03 <ryan[WIN]> hi
Nov 13 17:28:29 <GarthPS> I need some help. I have installed dropbare with preware . I have added my .pub key in /home/root/.ssh/authorozed-key but still it throws me
Nov 13 17:28:36 <GarthPS> Permission denied (publickey)
Nov 13 17:28:41 <GarthPS> does someone knows?
Nov 13 18:05:23 <ka6sox> authorized_keys
Nov 13 18:05:37 <ka6sox> GarthPS, ^^^
Nov 13 18:07:04 <GarthPS> ka6sox: :) thx but I did write it well theire
Nov 13 18:07:42 <ka6sox> what are the permissions on that file?
Nov 13 18:08:21 <GarthPS> ka6sox: -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          397 Nov 13 18:12 authorized_keys
Nov 13 18:09:19 <ka6sox> yep that'll work
Nov 13 18:09:52 <ka6sox> you need to verify that it is only 1 line not several...so
Nov 13 18:10:14 <ka6sox> vi /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
Nov 13 18:11:24 <ka6sox> then ctrl-g to see how many lines it is.
Nov 13 18:19:19 <GarthPS> ka6sox: ctrl-g does not work...
Nov 13 18:43:19 <ka6sox> GarthPS, thast control + g
Nov 13 18:43:22 <ka6sox> sorry
Nov 13 18:45:31 <GarthPS> ka6sox:  wc -l authorized_keys  works too no ?
Nov 13 18:46:16 <ka6sox> yep
Nov 13 18:46:27 <ka6sox> sorry..I usually us vi so I can fix it too.
Nov 13 18:46:56 <ka6sox> often I find that the paste of the key comes out as 3 lines
Nov 13 18:53:31 <ka6sox> about 90% of the times is 3 lines (or more) and the other 10% its missing characters from the key
Nov 13 19:05:10 <GarthPS> ka6sox: so root@roadrunner:/var/home/root/.ssh# wc -l authorized_keys
Nov 13 19:05:10 <GarthPS>         1 authorized_keys
Nov 13 19:05:14 <GarthPS> should be ok ?
Nov 13 19:08:25 <ryan[WIN]> hello
Nov 13 19:08:32 <ryan[WIN]> WHAT IS UP FELLARS
Nov 13 19:15:40 <ka6sox> GarthPS, compare it to the same key elsewhere...I'll bet its missing characters
Nov 13 19:16:36 <GarthPS> ka6sox: nope .....
Nov 13 19:17:35 <ka6sox> hmmm
Nov 13 19:24:05 <ka6sox> have you tried ssh -v to the pre? lets see what its saying...pastebin the results :D
Nov 13 19:24:17 <ka6sox> (sorry phone call here)
Nov 13 19:42:35 <GarthPS> ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/YjqV9ixx thx!
Nov 13 19:44:55 <GarthPS> ka6sox: I got eat , bbl
Nov 13 19:45:44 <ka6sox> k'
Nov 13 20:17:32 <JD82> wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstra says "" wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
Nov 13 20:17:32 <JD82> ""
Nov 13 20:17:41 <JD82> is there a new page?
Nov 13 20:18:28 <halfhalo> preware-bootstra or preware-bootstrap?
Nov 13 20:18:57 <JD82> im just following the instructions
Nov 13 20:19:12 <halfhalo> well, the link you pasted is missing the last p
Nov 13 20:20:04 <halfhalo> bit.ly/preware-bootstrap works, bit.ly/preware-boostra does not, which is what you had posted
Nov 13 20:20:25 <JD82> ok sorry
Nov 13 20:21:59 <JD82> got it lol
Nov 13 20:49:50 <rsanchez> hello
Nov 13 20:50:44 <rsanchez> I'm trying to use x forwarding via ssh in xterm on my pre, but whenever I try to open an application on the remote server, it gives the an error about the display
Nov 13 20:50:56 <rsanchez> can't open display and messages like that
Nov 13 20:51:27 <rsanchez> wondering if anyone here can help me get it going
Nov 13 20:58:34 <GarthPS> ka6sox: did you take a look ?
Nov 13 20:58:54 <ka6sox> GarthPS, yep...are you using an rsa or dsa key?
Nov 13 20:58:59 <ka6sox> (on the pre)
Nov 13 20:59:15 <GarthPS> ka6sox: on the pre I don't know..
Nov 13 20:59:39 <GarthPS> ka6sox: I use an rsa on my laptop
Nov 13 20:59:58 <ka6sox> paste the first 8 characters of the public key from the authorized_keys.
Nov 13 21:00:56 <GarthPS> ka6sox: ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAAB
Nov 13 21:01:47 <ka6sox> well..that matches
Nov 13 21:02:07 <GarthPS> ka6sox: what?
Nov 13 21:02:19 * halfhalo saw the dsa as well
Nov 13 21:07:14 <dtzWill> rsanchez: you did ssh with -X or -Y or something?
Nov 13 21:07:20 <dtzWill> and the ssh command you ran from within X?
Nov 13 21:07:37 <dtzWill> rsanchez: also check that DISPLAY is set before the ssh'ing
Nov 13 21:11:31 <rsanchez> ssh -Y
Nov 13 21:11:58 <rsanchez> also, I'm just launching it using the start.sh script
Nov 13 21:12:15 <rsanchez> it has the line: export DISPLAY=:0.0
Nov 13 21:12:26 <rsanchez> so I assume the DISPLAY is being set
Nov 13 21:12:38 <rsanchez> or should I do that command from the command prompt as well?
Nov 13 21:23:29 <rsanchez> yeah, had to do it from the xterm command prompt as well before ssh'ing
Nov 13 21:23:42 <msd18> ya i was about to say do it from xterm
Nov 13 21:24:12 <msd18> the start.sh may not have been set to run that command just display it
Nov 13 21:24:17 <msd18> assuming it was ran
Nov 13 21:24:30 <dtzWill> that's odd. thought that'd work, sorry. some of that was a bit rough.
Nov 13 21:24:42 <dtzWill> if you have patches or fixes i'd happily update
Nov 13 21:24:54 <dtzWill> sorry, it probably just doesn't get set for whatever reason :)
Nov 13 21:25:12 <rsanchez> I don't know how to patch it up :(
Nov 13 21:25:27 <msd18> rc#.d
Nov 13 21:25:28 <rsanchez> I wish I did just to get the keybindings working
Nov 13 21:25:33 <msd18> where # = a number
Nov 13 21:25:41 <msd18> i forget wat number tho
Nov 13 21:25:53 <msd18> but one has the start envorement commands
Nov 13 21:26:07 <msd18> i would say start looking there in the .sh files
Nov 13 21:26:32 <msd18> if that dont work pm me ill be glade to help u further
Nov 13 21:27:40 <dtzWill> rsanchez: well setting the display env var is just some silly mistake somewhere
Nov 13 21:27:54 <dtzWill> well i'd think so anyway
Nov 13 21:27:58 <dtzWill> the keybinding stuff is a bit trickier
Nov 13 21:28:12 <msd18> ya its located in one of the /etc/rc#.d somewhere
Nov 13 21:28:24 <msd18> for setting it on startup
Nov 13 21:28:46 <msd18> cuse if im not mistaken webos doesnt use that function
Nov 13 21:28:51 <msd18> so it wasnt set
Nov 13 21:30:01 <ka6sox> GarthPS, lets get some more information. ssh -vvv root@whateveriptheroadrunneris.
Nov 13 21:31:59 <msd18> brb reboot ppl
Nov 13 21:34:58 <rsanchez> I'm trying to get around the keybindings problem by putting a function in my .profile file
Nov 13 21:37:03 <rsanchez> like if the function name is docommand, and you type something like docommand ps..rpdf, it would run the command ps2pdf instead
Nov 13 21:41:23 <ka6sox> whats a service like bit.ly that doensn't make you sign up ?
Nov 13 21:42:26 <SineOt> bit.ly only makes you sign up if you want the data tracking features
Nov 13 21:42:31 <SineOt> or is that what you want
Nov 13 21:46:06 <oil> you can datatrack without signing up
Nov 13 21:46:14 <oil> just put a + or whatever at the end of your url?
Nov 13 21:46:23 <oil> and it brings up the tracking page
Nov 13 21:50:49 <destinal> ka6sox: I'm finally getting sick of windows and vmware for my linux vm's fighting over the pre and also generally not having a unix based os on my desktop, think I'll switch to OSX  (probably still dual boot windows for games though).  it would be linux instead but I basically hate all linux gui's
Nov 13 21:51:43 <ka6sox> destinal, you are another quantum leap towards seeing the light!
Nov 13 21:52:04 <rsanchez> well if you have the money to throw away on a mac...
Nov 13 21:52:38 <destinal> rsanchez: buying a mac is one way, I guess
Nov 13 21:53:50 * oil has been using virtualbox
Nov 13 21:53:59 <destinal> ka6sox: I've done various linux desktops (gentoo, red hat, fedora, ubuntu, linux from scratch) since 1994 and I can't ever seem to keep it as my primary desktop for long.
Nov 13 21:54:42 <hape> destinal: What is the big thing you like on the Windows desktop. I can not find anthing.
Nov 13 21:54:57 <ka6sox> my primary desktop is enlightenment with 2ea 19" widescreens.
Nov 13 21:55:48 <ka6sox> somewhere I have a T23 with windows on it.
Nov 13 21:57:42 <destinal> hape: say what you want about the windows GUI, XP is still a lot more solid, featureful and faster on the same hardware than linux desktop environments I've played with for day-to-day use.   OSX is very good in this arena too.   It's not like I can't use a linux desktop, it sometimes becomes annoying however.
Nov 13 21:58:42 * halfhalo uses mac and windows
Nov 13 21:59:44 <rsanchez> you just have to find the right one
Nov 13 21:59:48 <hape> destinal: ok, I have the feling the other way arround. I uses ubutu since the beginning of the year and never had a system that was quicker and more stabile before with windows on the same Thinkpad.
Nov 13 22:00:23 <destinal> I end up using cygwin and vmware on windows to give myself unix capabilities though, I think OSX may be the best of both worlds for now.
Nov 13 22:00:35 <sconix> nothing beats Linux with enlightenment :)
Nov 13 22:00:36 <ka6sox> for now
Nov 13 22:00:58 <sconix> for me its all about window management, which OS X does not have any and windows very little
Nov 13 22:01:01 <ka6sox> sconix, ya, I've played with unix since 1970 and its good.
Nov 13 22:01:09 <SineOt> what kind of window management?
Nov 13 22:01:16 <ka6sox> (was it 70 or 71?
Nov 13 22:01:17 <ka6sox> )
Nov 13 22:01:47 <destinal> sconix: osx has virtual desktops and so on but maybe there are specific features you mean
Nov 13 22:01:59 <sconix> with big monitors nowadays there is no use for fullscreen app usage so the handling of windows easily is the main thing
Nov 13 22:02:31 <sconix> well the virtual desktop in os x is still a bit joke I must say
Nov 13 22:02:48 <sconix> ok it works and does the minimum i.e. offers you multiple desktops but thats it
Nov 13 22:02:53 <ka6sox> I just don't use it
Nov 13 22:02:58 <SineOt> what else is there though? :x
Nov 13 22:03:12 <destinal> well I'll give it a shot for a while, we'll see how well it works for me.  a lot of it comes down to personal preference
Nov 13 22:03:13 <ka6sox> its there but its just as bad as the one in kde.
Nov 13 22:03:15 <sconix> at least I often have windows that stick on all desktops etc.
Nov 13 22:03:19 <SineOt> you can lock applications to certain workspaces, set windows to show across all of them, etc
Nov 13 22:03:44 <sconix> somehow it has seemt a bit too difficult in os x
Nov 13 22:04:45 <destinal> sconix: I do think enlightenment is a decent but not great, but I haven't used it in a while so maybe it's better than when I tried it also
Nov 13 22:04:55 <ka6sox> I do like the expose though...
Nov 13 22:05:44 <sconix> well I guess its also a matter of what one is used to, I guess I could get more out of os x with bit of learing definitely so that it would offer more than windows
Nov 13 22:06:38 <SineOt> yeah, it's kind of that way with everything
Nov 13 22:06:41 <sconix> but I have always liked e and it have suited my logic and offers enough options
Nov 13 22:06:59 <SineOt> I'm trying to get more into Linux (Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook) after using OSX for a long time
Nov 13 22:08:52 <rsanchez> can you change the OSX desktop environment?
Nov 13 22:09:03 <rsanchez> like if I wanted to use GNOME on OSX
Nov 13 22:09:44 <SineOt> I guess? But why you'd want to I'm not really sure
Nov 13 22:10:58 <ka6sox> nope
Nov 13 22:11:07 <ka6sox> GarthPS, you back from eating?
Nov 13 22:55:56 * sportman waves
Nov 13 22:56:21 <sportman> is frankin whatever talk allowed in here?
Nov 13 22:58:35 <oil> yes
Nov 13 23:21:33 <GarthPS> ka6sox: yes...
Nov 13 23:24:43 <GarthPS> ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/BbVHZVnT
Nov 13 23:25:44 * halfhalo votes missing/incorrect private key
Nov 13 23:29:46 <GarthPS> halfhalo: but I have already used this key
Nov 13 23:57:09 <halfhalo> so, apparently my cable modem is dying... :/
Nov 13 23:57:33 <halfhalo> I plugged in the vaccum and the modem died...
Nov 14 00:00:43 <rwhitby> destinal: good plan on going to OSX - that's what I use, with VirtualBox and VMWare to run Linux and Windows on it.
Nov 14 00:01:14 * halfhalo would use a vm app on his mac... except he has no space for them
Nov 14 00:01:33 <jhowirc> get more space
Nov 14 00:02:00 * halfhalo can't afford a bigger ssd
Nov 14 00:02:23 <halfhalo> WAIT A SECOND, theres the new 120GB ssd from intel!
Nov 14 00:10:25 <jhowirc> I want a ssd for my macbook
Nov 14 00:10:34 <halfhalo> their worth it
Nov 14 00:23:54 * jacques wants a 240G+ SSD.
Nov 14 00:24:11 <jacques> I think I should wait til Q1 tho
Nov 14 00:41:25 <jhowirc> I was considering the momentus xt but heard bad stuff about it
Nov 14 00:41:38 <halfhalo> its decent enough
Nov 14 00:43:17 <jhowirc> well supposed it was actually causing badness
Nov 14 00:46:51 <rwhitby> So, the Pre 2 kernel has some sort of automatic voltage calibration
Nov 14 00:46:57 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmPre2HardwareAndDriversInformations
Nov 14 00:49:14 <jhowirc> orly
Nov 14 00:50:11 <jhowirc> loving the webos internals mobile interface to the web site
Nov 14 00:50:12 <rwhitby> OPP5 (1GHz) starts at vsel 62, calibrates to 49, then adds margin to 52
Nov 14 00:51:06 <rwhitby> I wonder if it can calibrate automatically for freqs over 1GHz ...
Nov 14 00:53:53 <jhowirc> whoa
Nov 14 00:54:15 <jhowirc> my phone can only do 1.05 at 61
Nov 14 00:54:26 <jhowirc> so 52 is fantastic
Nov 14 00:55:12 <jhowirc> need someone to run govnah on pre2 to see current draw
Nov 14 01:11:56 <DarkManDo> hey everyone, does anyone know have to hack webos to support flacc
Nov 14 01:14:38 <DarkManDo> please help
Nov 14 01:23:29 <ashi_todd> no idea, don't use flacc
Nov 14 01:23:38 <ashi_todd> have you searched precentral.net forums for flacc?
Nov 14 02:03:10 <scoutcamper> ~oil
Nov 14 02:03:10 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, oil is a viscous substance that makes mice not squeak.
Nov 14 02:03:15 <scoutcamper> lol someone kept that :D
Nov 14 02:03:23 <oil> :/
Nov 14 02:04:03 <oil> infobot: forget oil
Nov 14 02:04:03 <infobot> i forgot oil, oil
Nov 14 02:04:07 <oil> thanks
Nov 14 02:04:18 <scoutcamper> ~botsnack
Nov 14 02:04:18 <infobot> scoutcamper: thanks
Nov 14 02:10:58 <halfhalo> ~botsmack
Nov 14 02:10:58 <infobot> OWW!
Nov 14 02:13:43 <b-man`> :\
Nov 14 02:14:47 <oil> infobot: oil is not at fault
Nov 14 02:14:47 <infobot> okay, oil
Nov 14 02:16:03 <rwhitby> oil: Govnah full screen graphs - should we limit the freq one to the known freq limits?
Nov 14 02:16:12 <oil> i dont know
Nov 14 02:16:20 <oil> im still not completely happy with it :/.
Nov 14 02:16:45 <rwhitby> ok, it's in testing feed, but not in the changelog and not announced, so can be pulled again at any time.
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