**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 15 02:59:58 2010 Nov 15 03:58:58 In Govnah I saved a new profile, but when I then tap Profile and tap my new profile to select it, Govnah still shows the previous profile. Nov 15 04:01:56 in fact it won't switch to any of the predefined profiles either. Nov 15 04:22:27 what kernel are you running? Nov 15 04:28:45 UK 1.4.5-119 Nov 15 04:30:41 do you see the temp in govnah ? Nov 15 04:31:42 yes. Nov 15 05:12:48 Maybe there's a rule that you can't change I/O Scheduler without rebooting?? Nov 15 05:14:08 it displays either an exact match profile (which will only happen if you create a new profile) or the first subset match for the predefined profiles Nov 15 05:17:53 Starting from screenstate 500/1000 I changed IO to noop, saved that as "Noop1", selected it and am now runningit. From that I changed IO to deadline, saved as "Dead". Now no matter what I select it always says "Noop1". Nov 15 05:18:51 I notice showing all data in profile list doesn't show I/O Scheduler. Nov 15 05:21:41 Aha. Change to Fixed Speed 800 is acknowledged. Nov 15 05:24:18 TCP congestion and IO scheduler is not saved in profile at the moment Nov 15 05:26:35 Hmm. Well, I don't think it was making any difference anyway. Just flipping switches to see if anything affects the 5-30 second freeze I usually see after waking the device. Nov 15 05:32:03 best to look at /var/log/messages using Lumberjack and see what it's actually doing during that time Nov 15 07:10:35 morning Nov 15 07:35:00 g'morning :) Nov 15 07:35:30 moin Nov 15 07:36:43 you know something about how the frankendev is going on? I didn't have time the last days to get the current state Nov 15 07:37:26 no, haven't heard anything Nov 15 07:37:40 :/ okay thx Nov 15 07:42:04 cu swisstomcat Nov 15 14:47:13 hi guys Nov 15 14:47:27 what is the difference between ipkg and ipkg-opt ? Nov 15 15:34:04 iirc ipkg is webos ipkg-opt is optware Nov 15 15:54:03 is there a wayy in mail app to see the password for my account? Nov 15 16:38:32 playya: thx. and what are main difference ? can I install a personnal package indifferently? Nov 15 16:40:15 GarthPS: what are you trying to install? A webos app or a linux one? Nov 15 16:41:41 halfhalo: eheh it is the same but you meant not from webos. so not from palm Nov 15 16:43:03 I mean is it something like preware for webos, or something like ruby for the linux layer Nov 15 16:58:18 halfhalo: a package build with openembedded Nov 15 17:00:09 GarthPS, CONFIG_MACH_SIRLION is set in the kernel config. this means you might use our kernel, but the compass might be missing Nov 15 17:06:04 playya: compass only or accelero too ? Nov 15 17:06:36 and you mean you just added it or it was already in feed? Nov 15 17:10:47 GarthPS, it's set in palm's kernel Nov 15 17:12:22 and for fso you have to link /etc/freesmartphone/conf/palm_pre to /etc/freesmartphone/conf/SirloinOMAP3630board Nov 15 17:13:31 playya: does this will be explained/noted somewhere? Nov 15 17:14:15 no. not yet Nov 15 17:14:46 you're the only one I know who owns a pre 2 and wants to run shr/fso on it :) Nov 15 17:15:02 playya: (plus I am not sure to all understand. CONFIG_MACH_SIRLION is set in the palm's kernel .so that should mean to me that your kernel is compatible with the palm's kernel right ?) Nov 15 17:15:14 playya: :) Nov 15 17:15:41 as it is only sold in FRance for now I think.... Nov 15 17:16:22 it's not compatible, but it should detect the right kernel configuration Nov 15 17:21:46 playya: otherwise does this mean it will take a lot of work to make a special kernel for the pre2? Nov 15 17:31:28 you need to create a kernel with some of palm's patches, there config and our changes Nov 15 17:44:03 heyho Nov 15 18:10:56 hi Nov 15 19:30:32 hi there i'm trying to set up the widk by following the tut on the webos-internals wiki, but i get an error: Nov 15 19:30:36 patching file m4/evas_check_engine.m4 Nov 15 19:30:40 Hunk #1 FAILED at 162. Nov 15 19:30:45 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file m4/evas_check_engine.m4.rej Nov 15 19:30:48 i'm using ubuntu 10.10 64 bit with all packages required Nov 15 19:32:35 * halfhalo_T400 backs away slowly from the widk Nov 15 20:20:08 frowb: just move the 'e' stuff to nonworking Nov 15 20:20:29 could've sworn someone was tasked to fix that :P it shouldn't happen... Nov 15 20:20:47 essentially they had the awesome idea of using a patch against ToT and then surprise surprise things break :) Nov 15 20:21:22 ok thx Nov 15 20:21:40 frowb: np. fwiw just as a friendly warning the WIDK is a bit of disrepair. Nov 15 20:21:48 we'd all love to fix it, but hasn't happened yet :/. Nov 15 20:22:09 since the sad truth is that it works well enough for our own hackery and so it gets left in that state :/. Nov 15 20:22:12 but....just warning :) Nov 15 20:40:16 Hello all Nov 15 20:59:12 hi Nov 15 20:59:37 for anyone who uses the debian chroot on their pre, were you able to get the chromium browser installed? Nov 15 21:00:25 rsanchez1: i never tried. does chromium have an arm build? Nov 15 21:00:34 everything that was in the repos seemed to work Nov 15 21:01:18 yes it does Nov 15 21:01:35 the thing is, I installed the package, but I can't find the chromium launcher anywhere Nov 15 21:01:43 can't find a chromium executable anywhere either Nov 15 21:01:59 errr surely there's some apt command that tells you what files were insatlled as part of the package. Nov 15 21:02:03 * dtzWill shows his apt nubbery Nov 15 21:02:25 I don't know, actually I didn't use apt to install it, probably should have Nov 15 21:02:38 I just downloaded the packages over wget and dpkg -i Nov 15 21:02:53 oh dpkg, w/e Nov 15 21:03:17 rsanchez1: grab the deb and unpack it manually and see where it installs it :) Nov 15 21:03:26 hmm Nov 15 21:03:29 and/or check common places Nov 15 21:03:47 just a dumb question. Can i open html file in webos and it will display like a regular html site Nov 15 21:03:50 ? Nov 15 21:04:02 I checked common places, checking the deb now... Nov 15 21:04:03 i have a flat html w/css file and i want to know if it will display Nov 15 21:04:05 rsanchez1: keep me/us posted on that please, chromium would be sweet :). Nov 15 21:04:12 rsanchez1: firefox worked but was slloooww :) Nov 15 21:04:33 I know, iceweasel is kind of slow as well Nov 15 21:04:43 I just want a nice quick chromium without all the toolbars Nov 15 21:04:49 anyone? Nov 15 21:05:15 en0x: not sure about that, maybe with internalz? Nov 15 21:05:30 rsanchez1: i probably meant iceweasel Nov 15 21:05:31 yes i do have internalz i just want to make sure before i copy the html over Nov 15 21:05:34 :p Nov 15 21:05:57 coz i'm too lazy bastard to check it myself ;d Nov 15 21:06:23 well i will check when i get home bbl Nov 15 21:09:04 I ssh'd into my pc yesterday, and could launch chrome with flash Nov 15 21:09:07 flash on my pre! Nov 15 21:09:15 it was slow as hell though Nov 15 21:09:34 are you surprised? Nov 15 21:09:46 X forwarding is... really, really, really slow Nov 15 21:10:34 well, it was on the local wifi network, so I guess it might have been a little faster? Nov 15 21:11:22 mabe Nov 15 21:11:24 maybe* Nov 15 21:23:44 hey, thanks for your great work. is there any alternative way to remove a single patch if it does not work through preware? Nov 15 21:27:15 i got some help over at precentral. sorry for bothering you. keep up the good work! really, thank you very much! Nov 15 21:27:58 rsanchez1: usb net gave me better performance :) Nov 15 21:28:16 gah, whenever I try to launch chromium, I get Segmentation fault Nov 15 21:28:37 sure it's the right arm architecture? Nov 15 21:30:35 I think so Nov 15 21:31:07 armel? Nov 15 21:35:14 gonna try again with apt... Nov 15 21:35:29 lol I should've done that in the first place instead of manually installing all those packages Nov 15 21:35:35 if there's a copy in the deb repos that seems like your best bet Nov 15 21:37:45 Hi everybody! Nov 15 21:39:24 hi Nov 15 21:40:47 Question. Is there a ways to translate the PIDs found in the top command into the appId? Nov 15 21:41:29 So I can know the names of the process.... Nov 15 21:47:22 awk Nov 15 21:47:33 use ps | grep Nov 15 21:47:44 filter through awk if you just want the name Nov 15 21:49:43 ok, so I installed chromium using apt-get, but then for whatever reason the touchscreen became unresponsive Nov 15 21:53:04 had to reboot to fix, gonna try chromium shortly Nov 15 21:55:45 thank ron! trying that now. Nov 15 21:56:43 chromium on the pre??? Nov 15 21:56:54 hopefully Nov 15 21:56:58 * rsanchez1 crosses fingers Nov 15 21:56:58 O.o Nov 15 21:57:08 ok that would be amazing^^ Nov 15 21:57:12 well, not as a native app, but still on the pre Nov 15 21:57:14 * ice8lue crosses fingers too Nov 15 21:57:59 well...maybe at least better as the current firefox build? Nov 15 21:58:27 yes! chromium is running Nov 15 21:58:40 thumbs up! Nov 15 21:59:07 dangit I cannot do a | on the pre keyboard :( Nov 15 21:59:34 Addiarmadar: you can't find it with the Sym button? Nov 15 21:59:59 sym screen won't come up in the terminal app Nov 15 22:00:34 oh, then you want to consult this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Nov 15 22:00:50 how did u get chromium on the pre? Nov 15 22:01:52 do you have debian installed on your pre? Nov 15 22:02:28 ah okay via the chroot debian^^ Nov 15 22:02:37 yep Nov 15 22:03:03 no, after I had to doctor it, some days ago, i didnt reinstall debian^^ Nov 15 22:03:27 you'll have to add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main Nov 15 22:04:07 I replaced http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian with http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ since the US mirror is much closer Nov 15 22:04:23 then after that, apt-get update and apt-get install chromium-browser Nov 15 22:04:35 duh the non obvious keys Nov 15 22:04:58 but doesn't that need a window manager to run? Nov 15 22:05:12 ok, then install a window manager too Nov 15 22:05:23 my favorite one right now is fvwm-crystal Nov 15 22:05:28 ^^ Nov 15 22:05:30 gonna try enlightenment later Nov 15 22:06:18 unless if someone else has a recommendation for a different window manager that looks nice and runs well on the pre... Nov 15 22:09:49 * rsanchez1 loves chromium on pre Nov 15 22:10:28 last thing missing is the keybindings... Nov 15 22:13:03 actually, nvm, I can get all the keys running fine in the window manager Nov 15 22:14:27 ok so I did ps | grep 1220 for example to get the appId but terminal did nothing. Did I miss something?? Nov 15 22:20:49 Is there an article I can study to get chromium on the pre? Nov 15 22:21:24 no I just installed it how I would install chromium on regular debian/ubuntu Nov 15 22:21:35 do you have debian installed on your pre? Nov 15 22:22:01 not yet Nov 15 22:22:09 how about xterm? Nov 15 22:22:09 how? Nov 15 22:22:31 just terminal Nov 15 22:23:00 ok, so the first thing you're going to want to do is install xterm Nov 15 22:23:34 you can find it on preware if you have the testing feeds enabled Nov 15 22:23:49 short guide on that here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Nov 15 22:24:18 yea I got testing feed up, sec Nov 15 22:24:26 once you install xterm, you're gonna want to install debian Nov 15 22:24:49 short guide on that here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian Nov 15 22:25:09 note that in the example they give, they resize to 500M, but you might want to go bigger than that Nov 15 22:25:13 I have it at 2000M Nov 15 22:25:31 how did u get xterm to work under 1.4.5? Nov 15 22:25:38 for me it's not even starting up Nov 15 22:25:43 you can only launch it via terminal in 1.4.5 Nov 15 22:25:50 ah okay Nov 15 22:25:55 something about jailing in 1.4.5 won't let it launch via launcher Nov 15 22:26:21 once you have debian installed, you're gonna want to get a window manager installed as well Nov 15 22:26:29 yeah i thought about that...but shouldn't the fstab tool fix that? Nov 15 22:27:11 for that, when you're in debian (after running /usr/sbin/chroot /media/cf) you can do apt-get install fvwm-crystal to install the fvwm-crystal window manager Nov 15 22:27:22 ice8blue: does it fix it? I didn't try that out Nov 15 22:28:12 rsanchez1: nope =/ Nov 15 22:28:34 and finally, to get chromium installed, just do what I said a short while ago when I mentioned how to do apt-get install chromium-browser Nov 15 22:29:32 to actually use the thing, you launch xterm, then in xterm you launch debian (after running /usr/sbin/chroot /media/cf), then you launch the window manager (you should only need to type fvwm-crystal), then you can find Chromium as a browser option in the application menus Nov 15 22:29:44 * rsanchez1 should probably write a guide for all this Nov 15 22:29:53 +1^^ Nov 15 22:30:46 lol I downloaded a lot of stuff to get all of this working Nov 15 22:31:10 got my pre back last Friday, and today netstat is showing me I downloaded 1.31GB over wifi, 123MB over 3G Nov 15 22:31:24 omg^^ Nov 15 22:31:35 * dtzWill is happy to see interest/people having fun with it again :) Nov 15 22:31:56 * rsanchez1 is hoping this interest will get dtzWill to update for 1.4.5... Nov 15 22:32:31 hehe, if you do, i will write the guide^^ Nov 15 22:33:51 of course, you could just skip all the installation if you ssh into a computer that already has a window manager and chrome installed Nov 15 22:34:08 but then it will be very slow unless you connect over local wifi or usbnet Nov 15 22:34:09 but that would be faking :) Nov 15 22:35:21 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/240926-x-server-pre.html was done via debian chroot Nov 15 22:35:24 :) Nov 15 22:35:58 boo iceweasel Nov 15 22:36:06 lol proof of concept :) Nov 15 22:36:38 I actually liked using iceweasel better than the native pre browser, and chromium beats both of them Nov 15 22:36:54 its magical Nov 15 22:37:00 lol and openoffice really does take that long to load Nov 15 22:37:20 although I didn't have it overclocked when I tried to load openoffice... Nov 15 22:37:59 yeah abiword works much better :) Nov 15 22:39:53 can't even find xterm anymore^^ Nov 15 22:40:41 dtzWill: are there any new achievements in the frankendev? Nov 15 22:41:12 ice8lue: not afaik, no Nov 15 22:41:40 =/ Nov 15 22:44:07 ok got xtermed installed but won't load. need to restart? Nov 15 22:44:23 xterm I mean Nov 15 22:44:38 nope, xterm won't start using the launcher Nov 15 22:45:01 as rssanchez1 said some time before, it can only be started via terminal Nov 15 22:46:19 kk how to do that in term? Nov 15 22:48:19 navigate to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ and look for xterm Nov 15 22:48:24 you could cd *yterm Nov 15 22:48:39 *xterm i mean Nov 15 22:49:47 xterm-launcher Nov 15 22:50:08 then when you're in the org.webosinternals.xterm-launcher directory, do ./start.sh Nov 15 22:50:18 brb Nov 15 22:50:38 yap^^ Nov 15 22:57:21 dangit I cannot cd to media. this due to it being read only? Nov 15 22:57:39 do you try via pc or phone? Nov 15 22:58:39 phone Nov 15 22:58:50 using terminal throug phone Nov 15 23:00:01 cd /media ? Nov 15 23:00:55 there it goes Nov 15 23:01:02 I was like wtf for a min Nov 15 23:01:14 ;) Nov 15 23:05:58 jackpot! Nov 15 23:06:23 that did the trick Nov 15 23:16:00 what did the trick? Nov 15 23:18:30 got xterm to run Nov 15 23:21:13 okay cu guys, its about 1h after midnight over here^^ Nov 15 23:24:26 I can get rid of deian from the usb drive mode rigt when I need to?? Nov 15 23:24:40 debian Nov 15 23:24:48 rm -r will recursively delete all the files Nov 15 23:25:05 sbromwich: lol Nov 15 23:25:15 make sure you run it explicitly against the directory you mean to though... Nov 15 23:25:20 otherwise there will be much lulz. Nov 15 23:25:37 when you don't want debian, just unmount it and remove it from /media/internal Nov 15 23:25:39 heh Nov 15 23:26:03 I think if you back up debsmall.img to your computer, you can restore it later on exactly as you had it Nov 15 23:27:44 yeah should be able to. DLing the debian img file now Nov 15 23:28:10 has anyone managed to boot mem a kernel compiled on a 64 bit host? Nov 15 23:28:15 I ask purely out of scientific curiosity. Nov 15 23:28:25 and a desire not to bugger about with 32 bit chroots. Nov 15 23:28:45 sbromwich: it should work fine. Nov 15 23:28:57 that's what I thought Nov 15 23:29:33 every time I boot a self-compiled kernel I end up back at the stock kernel Nov 15 23:30:10 debian img file is going to media/internal/downloads atm. would I have to move it somewhere else? Nov 15 23:30:54 with uberkernal if i have it set for 500/800 if my screen is off but yet playing pandora is it running at 800 or 500? Nov 15 23:31:22 500 Nov 15 23:31:31 does it chop on you? Nov 15 23:32:15 ok cool thank you no i just set up uberkernal but i always play pandora at work. i just didnt want my battery to drain faster Nov 15 23:32:32 well, you can leave it whereever you like actually Nov 15 23:33:12 JD82: I set mine to 125/800, dunno if it's much more savings but I'm really not using the phone when it's in my pocket Nov 15 23:33:14 just make sure this line points to the correct file: mount -o loop /media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf Nov 15 23:34:03 chronomex: hum... i might give it a try Nov 15 23:34:28 got the idea from ryanc Nov 15 23:34:32 worth a shot thanks for the fast replys Nov 15 23:35:24 I'm out see ya later Nov 15 23:38:09 xterm has to be used to mount and run debian right? Nov 15 23:39:14 Addiarmadar: errr you can mount from anywhere Nov 15 23:39:24 the chroot part probably you wanna do in the xterm yes Nov 15 23:40:53 kk Nov 15 23:58:00 holy moly x does use up some rampower. Nov 15 23:58:17 play around with that later Nov 16 00:00:02 how do you make xinit not start a server? Nov 16 00:00:04 it would be great if there was a patch for webos to use this http://preona.net/2010/11/ever-wanted-arc90s-readability-as-an-api/ Nov 16 00:00:43 basically have an additional button for the browser to return nicely formatted text Nov 16 00:12:47 huh... building in a 32 bit chroot works. Nov 16 00:12:49 swizz. Nov 16 00:52:52 hiya sbromwich Nov 16 01:01:42 hey ka6sox-work Nov 16 01:01:52 how's life in the fast lane? Nov 16 01:02:54 burning it @ both ends.... Nov 16 01:03:11 San Fran, Monterey and Palm Springs....and thats just this week! Nov 16 01:04:14 heh Nov 16 01:04:44 I've managed to stay within 20 sq km but I've lit a few fires around the place Nov 16 01:06:02 found a nice little hole in one of our vendors' apps wherein a telnet server with no authentication was bound to 0.0.0.0 and allowed a remote machine to watch the user enter patient data Nov 16 01:06:55 do you get to actually see anything out there or are you just out fixing towers and the like? Nov 16 01:07:21 :P Nov 16 01:07:45 I will do San Fran and Monterey in 1 day...mostly driving unfortunately Nov 16 01:07:56 bummer :-/ Nov 16 01:08:03 nice scenery though? Nov 16 01:08:14 ya, Nov 16 01:08:16 101 is nice Nov 16 01:10:48 must got a nice view from the top of some of those towers too Nov 16 01:11:15 oh yeah...very nice Nov 16 01:11:20 some of the best views. Nov 16 01:11:37 not very... public though ;-) Nov 16 01:11:43 but I'm grounded now...so I stand on the ground and let the young bucks climb :D Nov 16 01:11:49 oh ah? Nov 16 01:12:05 medical, or too valuable to send up there? Nov 16 01:12:13 yes Nov 16 01:12:14 both Nov 16 01:12:40 ouch Nov 16 01:12:44 nothing too serious I hope? Nov 16 01:12:55 he's an old bloke like me Nov 16 01:13:02 although it's always nice to be sufficiently valuable not to have to do the scut work any more... Nov 16 01:13:04 heh Nov 16 01:13:19 <<< Ancient Nov 16 01:13:28 too ancient to have a Cub Scout. Nov 16 01:14:08 oh rats...need to finish the Photo Finish device too... Nov 16 01:14:28 ? Nov 16 01:14:46 I can highly recommend PFY, qty 2 Nov 16 01:14:52 PFY? Nov 16 01:15:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell Nov 16 01:15:12 explains it better than I could Nov 16 01:15:22 oh yeah. Nov 16 01:15:26 forgot that. Nov 16 01:16:01 its a device to determine who comes in 1st,2ond,3rd for Pinewood Derby Nov 16 01:16:17 2ond, nice Nov 16 01:16:33 ahhh Nov 16 01:18:52 the mockup works..I just need to finish up the arch/sensors and a small bit of VHDL. Nov 16 01:19:11 details, details Nov 16 01:19:32 yep...but its fun... Nov 16 01:20:27 in your copious free time, no doubt ;-) Nov 16 01:25:40 its all lies Nov 16 01:27:34 allegedly Nov 16 01:36:51 sbromwich, yep...okay...the VHDL is done...now I just have to determine if we care about anything beyond 1,2,3. Nov 16 01:39:03 just to rub it in to the kids that they lost? ;-) Nov 16 01:39:29 no, probably not...okay forget anything beyond 1,2,3 Nov 16 01:39:51 heh Nov 16 01:53:37 how much better will my battery life be with my phone set to 125/800 in uberkernal? Nov 16 01:57:06 compared to... what? Nov 16 01:58:55 JD82: the answer to that question depends completely on your usage patterns. Test it and find out for yourself. Nov 16 01:59:21 Don't believe what anyone else tells you, cause they don't have the same usage patterns as you do. Nov 16 02:00:31 very true..I didn't notice much difference and went back to 500/800 personally Nov 16 02:02:06 a Nov 16 02:10:17 JD82: google "race to idle" Nov 16 02:14:52 yeah, but race to idle doesn't work if you're streaming pandora with the screen off :) Nov 16 02:15:16 doing that with a performance 1GHz profile will not be good Nov 16 02:18:32 with the pixiplus streaming now its under 60% CPU with 800mhz Nov 16 02:20:55 race to idle will work for buffered blocks but yeah, it won't be stellar Nov 16 02:21:07 and ondemand scheduler screws up phone service IMO Nov 16 02:22:57 the pixi scheduler seems not so optimized...the phone seems to get quite hot with simple tasks. Nov 16 02:23:40 yeah, I've noticed that recently with mine, although I'm starting to wonder if it's related to the broken traces on the keyboard backlight Nov 16 02:24:04 it's hit 55C pretty easily on a car charger streaming, which seems WAY hot Nov 16 02:24:06 SineOt, why? Nov 16 02:24:17 since it normally sits at like 30-33C streaming Nov 16 02:24:35 streaming over the modem while it's charging will make it heat up Nov 16 02:25:08 oh I was streaming that way and saw close to 45C Nov 16 02:25:15 yeah, but it used to do so at like 33C but now has gone a lot higher Nov 16 02:25:17 but I was asking for max performance. Nov 16 02:25:28 I doctored it for a random restart issue Nov 16 02:25:40 and noticed that it was heating up way more than it should be Nov 16 02:26:20 when I use my modem hard the back always heats up, charging it too just ramps up the temperature even more Nov 16 02:26:36 all that power draw has to drop its heat somewhere... Nov 16 02:27:06 yeppers. Nov 16 02:27:08 I should build a heatsink into the car mount... Nov 16 02:27:16 I ask max-Q from mine. Nov 16 02:27:29 max-Q? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 16 02:59:58 2010