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Nov 16 03:13:46 <rsanchez1> dr battery and govnah give me different values for battery current
Nov 16 03:13:58 <rsanchez1> which one is more accurate?
Nov 16 03:15:24 <bpadalino> sounds like they're both undersampling a random process
Nov 16 03:23:39 <rsanchez1> well, which one is more accurate?
Nov 16 03:25:45 <bpadalino> how different are they ?
Nov 16 03:30:38 <rsanchez1> typically 20-30mA apart
Nov 16 03:32:35 <bpadalino> what's 30mA between friends?
Nov 16 03:38:30 <oil> lol
Nov 16 03:39:09 <scoutcamper> oil, what is GehrPelcg
Nov 16 03:39:11 <scoutcamper> ?
Nov 16 03:39:23 <oil> haha
Nov 16 03:39:47 <oil> you should be able to figure it out when looking at recent tweets
Nov 16 03:40:53 <SineOt> ahahaha
Nov 16 03:41:19 <SineOt> genius, genius
Nov 16 03:41:30 <scoutcamper> i cant find it ):
Nov 16 03:41:51 <SineOt> scoutcamper: it's ~encrypted~ 
Nov 16 03:42:27 <oil> lol
Nov 16 03:42:56 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/a/a6/Icon_KlingonKey.png
Nov 16 03:43:34 * oil still doesn't get what klingons have to do with it
Nov 16 03:43:38 <oil> besides the name looking klingon
Nov 16 03:43:49 <scoutcamper> the name prolly is Klingon
Nov 16 03:43:54 <scoutcamper> i got it :D
Nov 16 03:43:56 <oil> no, its not
Nov 16 03:43:59 <scoutcamper> but im not telling :D
Nov 16 03:44:13 <SineOt> scoutcamper: it's encrypted, not Klingon! lol
Nov 16 03:44:18 <rwhitby> oil: Klingons are very protective
Nov 16 03:44:41 <SineOt> so are refrigerators
Nov 16 03:44:42 <scoutcamper> SineOt,  i know, i got it another way
Nov 16 03:44:58 <oil> yeah, replies to the question kind of give it away
Nov 16 03:45:30 <oil> and by kind of, i mean, completely
Nov 16 03:45:30 * SineOt thinks refrigerators make as much sense as klingons :p
Nov 16 03:45:49 <oil> are klingons protective though? don't they just care about honor?
Nov 16 03:45:54 <oil> lol
Nov 16 03:45:57 <oil> they protect... that
Nov 16 03:46:18 <rwhitby> depending on what you are storing, it could be protecting your honour
Nov 16 03:46:21 * oil already knows "today is a good day to die" is going to be a random subtitle
Nov 16 03:46:33 <scoutcamper> a klingons Honor and Dying in Glorious battle are the highest honnor
Nov 16 03:46:41 <en0x> "honour" so british rwhitby ;d
Nov 16 03:46:54 * oil tries not to geek out too much and says no more
Nov 16 03:47:46 * scoutcamper just references Star Trek TNG
Nov 16 03:48:42 <scoutcamper> ~StarTrekTNG
Nov 16 03:48:43 <infobot> hmm... startrektng is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation
Nov 16 03:48:49 <scoutcamper> nuff said
Nov 16 04:14:05 <rsanchez1> ~what
Nov 16 04:14:06 <infobot> idk
Nov 16 04:15:55 <ka6sox> ~who
Nov 16 04:16:07 <ka6sox> doesnt like me
Nov 16 04:19:10 <rsanchez1> ~who?
Nov 16 04:19:25 <rsanchez1> ~what
Nov 16 04:19:26 <infobot> idk
Nov 16 04:19:31 <rsanchez1> lol
Nov 16 04:19:46 <ka6sox> who is on first
Nov 16 04:20:01 <ka6sox> idk is the 3rd baseman.
Nov 16 05:30:38 * halfhalo has mini crumb donutes
Nov 16 05:30:41 <halfhalo> donuts*
Nov 16 05:32:35 * halfhalo also found his pre!
Nov 16 05:38:22 <ka6sox> halfhalo, I want the chocolate ones.
Nov 16 05:40:15 <halfhalo> crumb ftw
Nov 16 12:33:43 <lordbah> Often when I wake my Pre with the power button it freezes for 5-30 seconds. Sometimes it is responsive for 1 second before the freeze. Do you think this interaction with the network time could be responsible? http://pastebin.com/U7VYtNhi
Nov 16 14:10:43 <GarthPS> hi
Nov 16 14:11:33 <GarthPS> does someone can help me to use my pre2 as internet provider via usbnet?
Nov 16 14:11:55 <GarthPS> usbnet is already activated and I can shh to my pre
Nov 16 15:09:30 <pat^> hi. i was wondering if any of you is experiencing connection problems while using aim/icq on the pre? (namely being disconnected after issuing a login command)
Nov 16 15:22:21 <en0x> nope
Nov 16 15:22:50 <en0x> i dont do im on my pre beacause it eats the battery like crazy
Nov 16 15:51:23 <pat^> en0x: ok. could you maybe try to sign on from the pre for one time? i just want to be ceratin, that it is the libpurple problem i am guessing.
Nov 16 15:54:00 <en0x> welli don't use aim
Nov 16 15:54:08 <en0x> i can sign in to gtalk if u want and see
Nov 16 15:54:12 <ka6sox> good answer.
Nov 16 15:54:14 <playya_> ICQ doesn't work?
Nov 16 15:54:14 <playya_> ATM you need to disable SSL to get an ICQ connection
Nov 16 15:54:14 <playya_> same on my laptop
Nov 16 15:54:42 <pat^> en0x: thanks, but gtalk is not the problem.
Nov 16 15:55:01 <pat^> the only problem seems to be icq. aim works :)
Nov 16 15:55:50 <en0x> icq is obsolete
Nov 16 15:55:55 <pat^> yeah i know
Nov 16 15:55:56 <pat^> :)
Nov 16 15:56:05 <pat^> but try convincing all your friends to use jabber
Nov 16 15:56:12 <pat^> i mean, non-nerd friends
Nov 16 15:56:51 <en0x> uf u got gmail... u got jabber
Nov 16 15:56:52 <en0x> ;D
Nov 16 15:57:12 <en0x> yeah but icq was popular like 10yrs ago
Nov 16 15:57:18 <pat^> true
Nov 16 15:57:32 <oil> convincing friends to switch messaging protocols sounds difficult
Nov 16 15:57:37 <pat^> yep it is
Nov 16 15:57:53 * oil uses pidgin for that very reason
Nov 16 15:57:56 <pat^> especially if it means for them convincing all their friends to switch too :)
Nov 16 15:58:14 <pat^> yeah well, no problem on my pc :)
Nov 16 15:58:58 <lyptt> has anyone been able to get preware installed on a pre 2? I can't seem to get webOS quick install to do anything
Nov 16 15:59:30 <pat^> playya_: do you know any way to disable ssl on the pre ?
Nov 16 15:59:53 <en0x> yeah remove it from webos :D
Nov 16 16:00:08 <pat^> of course :)
Nov 16 16:05:46 <playya_> pat^, no. I'm using IM+ Lite which is a PITA
Nov 16 16:07:53 <pat^> playya_: kk
Nov 16 16:15:05 <pat^> i got a solution for everybody thats interested. just add the following 2 lines in /etc/hosts
Nov 16 16:15:08 <pat^> 64.12.202.116   login.oscar.aol.com
Nov 16 16:15:11 <pat^> 64.12.202.116   login.messaging.aol.com
Nov 16 16:15:25 <pat^> this is the ip address of login.icq.com
Nov 16 16:15:31 <pat^> :)
Nov 16 16:16:01 <pat^> thanks for the tip regarding the ssl problem playya_
Nov 16 16:16:31 <playya_> np
Nov 16 16:16:52 <playya_> is it possible that some ICQ server are not up to date with the latest protocol?
Nov 16 16:17:03 <pat^> i guess it's the other way around
Nov 16 16:17:13 <pat^> i guess they changed something in the protocoll again
Nov 16 16:17:17 <pat^> on the aol side
Nov 16 16:17:28 <pat^> and the version of libpurple that is used on the pre is kinda old
Nov 16 16:17:31 <pat^> its from 2008
Nov 16 16:17:51 <pat^> because of this other clients like pidgin are also not working
Nov 16 16:18:39 <pat^> this is why i hate proprietary protocols
Nov 16 16:18:42 <pat^> :)
Nov 16 16:20:32 <playya_> even worse: changing properitary protocols
Nov 16 16:20:45 <pat^> yep
Nov 16 16:23:54 <GarthPS> Does some one know how to tethering the pre 2 by usbnet ?
Nov 16 16:24:26 <GarthPS> I tried http://mytether.net/but the app does nto launch (webos 2.0 I think)
Nov 16 16:25:11 <pat^> GarthPS: i think the easiest way is the wlan hotspot app from palm?
Nov 16 16:25:51 <GarthPS> pat^: If ONLY!!
Nov 16 16:26:02 <pat^> GarthPS: doesn't it work too ?
Nov 16 16:26:04 <GarthPS> pat^: but it does not work here on me pre 2!
Nov 16 16:26:14 <pat^> ah ok
Nov 16 16:26:21 <GarthPS> paIt connect
Nov 16 16:26:54 <pat^> well, i don't own a pre2 yet, so i guess you will have to wait or dig really deep into linux to get it working.
Nov 16 16:26:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried to give some commands to GarthPS but they failed too
Nov 16 16:27:00 <GarthPS> pat^: It does connect very fast but no internet then on the laptop plus it does not stop to disconnect and reconnect between the preand the laptop
Nov 16 16:27:10 <pat^> hm ok
Nov 16 16:27:13 <pat^> that sounds strange
Nov 16 16:27:47 <pat^> i don't know what they changed between 1.4.5 and 2.0, but i am sure that is the problem
Nov 16 16:28:13 <pat^> i guess there is no easy solution then right now
Nov 16 16:28:18 <GarthPS> pat^: I retry (ie perhaps I will lost my current connection) and report here what dmesg sais
Nov 16 16:29:14 <pat^> i'll be back in 5 minutes
Nov 16 16:37:53 <GarthPS> bridge0: port 1(uap0) entering disabled state
Nov 16 16:38:14 <GarthPS> I think this is what breaks the connection
Nov 16 16:51:24 <pat^> GarthPS: might be the case. but i guess this is a rather complex problem.
Nov 16 17:16:50 <rsanchez1> hello
Nov 16 17:23:23 <rsanchez1> just wondering if anyone has tried another linux distro besides debian as chroot on pre
Nov 16 17:31:45 <Loudergood> I love how this scheduler patch is being hailed as a huge fix for all the problems with desktop linux
Nov 16 17:40:24 <GarthPS> guys can we force to flash with webos doctor ?
Nov 16 17:40:48 <Loudergood> yours wont flash?
Nov 16 17:42:55 <summatusmentis> rsanchez1: part of the reason debian is used so frequently is because it's got a pretty good repo of arm binaries already built
Nov 16 17:43:10 <summatusmentis> other distros like fedora don't support the arm arch
Nov 16 17:44:46 <Loudergood> debian is a pretty amazing project
Nov 16 17:47:07 <GarthPS> Loudergood: its does not want to flash as me pre ins not in the bad state so webos doctor does not want to go further
Nov 16 17:47:32 <Loudergood> you did the battery pull trick?
Nov 16 17:47:35 <oilsworkn> that 8% bug?
Nov 16 17:48:03 <GarthPS> Loudergood: what is the battery pull trick ?
Nov 16 17:48:43 <Loudergood> the one to get your pre to boot into recovery mode
Nov 16 17:49:14 <oilsworkn> turn it off, hold the volume-up button as you plug it into usb
Nov 16 17:49:35 <oilsworkn> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Nov 16 17:52:29 <GarthPS> ok thx i will try that!
Nov 16 19:12:33 <NuttyBunny> Hi everyone :)
Nov 16 19:13:04 <oilsworkn> hey, its a wircer!
Nov 16 19:13:14 <halfhalo> booooo
Nov 16 19:14:01 <halfhalo> wait, its better than this client... so not boooo
Nov 16 19:14:11 <oilsworkn> haaa!
Nov 16 19:39:03 <sk4jc> are there any open source webOS patches that let you block IP addresses?
Nov 16 19:39:46 <oilsworkn> afaik, you can just block whatever you want in your hosts file
Nov 16 19:40:26 <sk4jc> i have a crazy idea to help with VZW GPS issues
Nov 16 19:41:09 <sk4jc> block their aGPS servers so they fail immediately and roll over to standard GPS
Nov 16 19:42:23 <sk4jc> I have an AT&T pre plus with no sim card (Meta doctor works great) and I get a fix with no radio in about 20 seconds with a sub 10 meter tracking fix in under 2 minutes
Nov 16 19:46:00 * oilsworkn has no verizon device
Nov 16 19:46:26 <sbromwich> sk4jc: Ad Blocker
Nov 16 19:46:40 * halfhalo has a vzw device somewhere
Nov 16 19:46:40 <oilsworkn> sbromwich: he wants to block the specific ip
Nov 16 19:46:58 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: details, details
Nov 16 19:47:15 <oilsworkn> i assume adblocker patch just adds them to the hosts file
Nov 16 19:47:22 <sbromwich> yup
Nov 16 19:47:45 <oilsworkn> so it should be easy to test once you figure out their agps server ips
Nov 16 19:47:53 <sbromwich> yup
Nov 16 19:48:47 <sk4jc> i wonder if the server name from the VZW patch would work
Nov 16 19:48:48 <sbromwich> iptables -I OUTPUT -d x.x.x.x -j REJECT off the top of my head
Nov 16 19:50:20 <sk4jc> PDEIS801.myvzw.com
Nov 16 19:51:57 <sbromwich> iptables -I OUTPUT -d PDEIS801.myvzw.com -j REJECT
Nov 16 19:52:15 <sk4jc> anyone have a vzw pre to test?
Nov 16 19:52:55 <sk4jc> if that is not the right servername then is there a way to see what IP is called when launching VZNav?
Nov 16 19:53:22 <SineOt> sk4jc: what's getting tested?
Nov 16 19:53:42 <SineOt> my ~life partner~ has a vzw pre but she's not around right now for me to test against
Nov 16 19:54:58 <sk4jc> make the request to the VZW aGPS server fail immediately to roll over to standard GPS quicker
Nov 16 19:55:28 <SineOt> Hmmm.
Nov 16 19:55:44 <SineOt> Is it still making aGPS calls, even though it can't use it? Haha.
Nov 16 19:55:45 <sk4jc> my newly sent AT&T pre can get a GPS fix in 20 seconds with no radio
Nov 16 19:56:00 <sk4jc> i think it requests it and just hangs
Nov 16 19:56:07 <SineOt> My Pixi can pull a fix in like 3 seconds, VZW takes foreverrrrrrrrrr
Nov 16 19:56:16 <SineOt> Hmm... I'll try it out later, that's for sure
Nov 16 19:56:30 <sk4jc> instead of rolling over because vz crippled it for the pre
Nov 16 19:56:42 <SineOt> Is PDEIS801.myvzw.com the only aGPS server Verizon runs? or is it something that got split off locally?
Nov 16 19:57:10 <sk4jc> i dont know exactly. I am guessing because that is what is in the VZW aGPS patch
Nov 16 19:58:07 <SineOt> Hmm... With radio off complete, but wifi on, would it still try to make a call to the aGPS servers?
Nov 16 19:58:21 * SineOt is trying to figure out a way to get the IPs it tries to call
Nov 16 19:58:27 <sk4jc> ill try again with wifi off
Nov 16 19:58:32 * SineOt is also a dumb dumb and is probably missing something
Nov 16 20:00:59 <sk4jc> ok
Nov 16 20:01:13 <sk4jc> so, new location, not radios
Nov 16 20:01:24 <sk4jc> 75 meter fix in 40 seconds
Nov 16 20:01:34 <sk4jc> sub 10 meter in under 1 minute
Nov 16 20:01:34 <halfhalo_T400> better than my epic
Nov 16 20:01:46 <sk4jc> 52 seconds
Nov 16 20:02:01 <sk4jc> why do we need aGPS??
Nov 16 20:02:43 <halfhalo_T400> Because... it sounds like your not doing it from a cold boot and/or using googles location service as well?
Nov 16 20:03:15 <sk4jc> ok, so you leave that on. Ill turn it off any when i am at home ill try again
Nov 16 20:03:15 <SineOt> let me try some stuff to get a cold boot aGPS fix
Nov 16 20:03:57 <halfhalo_T400> Yeah, you really need a cold boot to test that stuff
Nov 16 20:04:44 * SineOt is waiting on his pixi to reboot! Takes foreverrrr. Hopes 2.0 speeds that up.
Nov 16 20:05:03 <sk4jc> i have auto locate off with no radios. I will drive home in 6 hours and try from there
Nov 16 20:05:27 <sk4jc> that should be enough time to remove the cashed data you think?
Nov 16 20:07:04 <sk4jc> if it is as simple as blocking VZ's servers I will be very happy
Nov 16 20:07:27 <halfhalo_T400> yeah, but its not just cached data, but also the fact that the phone has locked onto the sattelites and has a rough idea where they are (if you just close the app and then reopen it soon after)
Nov 16 20:07:55 <SineOt> hah
Nov 16 20:08:00 <halfhalo_T400> And IIRC vzw completely replaced the gps subsystem vs the palm one for other cariers
Nov 16 20:08:13 <SineOt> cold boot: 17m fix in 8 seconds
Nov 16 20:08:14 * halfhalo_T400 slaps his kb for not behaving
Nov 16 20:08:23 <sk4jc> which carrier?
Nov 16 20:08:32 <SineOt> sprint, so with functioning aGPS
Nov 16 20:08:34 * halfhalo_T400 epic has crappy gps
Nov 16 20:08:50 <sk4jc> my sprint pre is very similar
Nov 16 20:09:00 <sk4jc> but vz is the problem. it would be from them
Nov 16 20:09:08 <sk4jc> at&t is fine as well
Nov 16 20:09:11 <SineOt> yeah. They did something weird with the aGPS
Nov 16 20:09:19 <SineOt> because they wanted to do their own location APIs
Nov 16 20:09:30 <SineOt> they released them for Android, but I guess forgot about webOS
Nov 16 20:10:00 <sk4jc> so if we can block it then it will use the bit slower standard GPS instead of hanging on an aGPS server that doesnt respond
Nov 16 20:12:25 <SineOt> Possibly, if it is in fact trying to make an aGPS call and then failing, waiting for a time out, and then attempting standard GPS
Nov 16 20:12:43 <sk4jc> thats what I would like to test
Nov 16 20:14:14 <sk4jc> i am tired of poor reviews from cruddy GPS performance
Nov 16 20:14:17 <mdogg> how does vz nav get a fix?
Nov 16 20:15:20 <SineOt> mdogg: it uses the aGPS server. VZW did something weird with it, changed ports or something
Nov 16 20:15:46 <mdogg> can we not use their code then?  VZ nav app is plaintext
Nov 16 20:15:47 <SineOt> VZ Nav uses the proper ports, everything else on the system that tries to make an aGPS call won't actually get a response
Nov 16 20:16:09 <SineOt> there's a few patches that attempt to fix it but even then it can't bring speed up to par with Sprint/ATT
Nov 16 20:16:30 <sk4jc> getting it closer would be better. if this idea works
Nov 16 21:38:09 <GarthPsfromprewe> does some know how tofix ipkg? I have messed it up by using it directly to remove some app and now icant install abything with palmcatolog nor preware
Nov 16 21:41:58 <GarthPsfromprewe> GNUtoo|laptop ,an idea ?
Nov 16 21:53:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPsfromprewe, hi
Nov 16 21:55:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPsfromprewe, what's the error you get?
Nov 16 22:00:27 <GarthPsfromprewe> GNUtoo|laptop , installation failled. Impossible installation .an operation ned to be done or some thing like that and need to restart somethign toreper but it does not fix anything at all
Nov 16 22:05:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPsfromprewe, any errors from opkg?
Nov 16 22:06:50 <egaudet_work> did you use -o /var instead of -o /media/cryptofs/apps ?
Nov 16 22:07:56 <GarthPsfromprewe> perhaps yes
Nov 16 22:12:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll sleep bye
Nov 16 22:12:57 <GarthPsfromprewe> bye
Nov 16 22:20:15 <sk4jc> I made a patch based on the ad block patch to try to block the VZW aGPS server
Nov 16 22:20:30 <egaudet_work> if you used -o /var, I'll bet it created stuff in /var that webOS thinks it needs to migrate
Nov 16 22:20:33 <sk4jc> anybody want to test it?
Nov 16 22:20:45 <egaudet_work> check for /var/usr/lib/ipkg
Nov 16 22:29:08 <sk4jc> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2762097&posted=1#post2762097
Nov 17 02:58:30 <b-man`> infobot: Schoentoon is the monitor dude
Nov 17 02:58:30 <infobot> okay, b-man`
Nov 17 02:59:07 <halfhalo> ~halfhalo
Nov 17 02:59:07 <infobot> hmm... halfhalo is a web programmer specializing in ruby on rails and node.js server side applications, and also is dabbling in sysadmin work as well.  He is also insane in the membrane, and drives way to fast on the streets.
Nov 17 02:59:14 <halfhalo> WOOOO!  no-one changed it
Nov 17 02:59:37 <dtzWill> s/to/too/
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