**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 21 02:59:58 2010 Nov 21 03:00:01 actually I think it would be cool to get something like a palmpad and wire a pre's comm board into it and use a bluetooth headset, instant (large and awkward) phone Nov 21 03:00:26 lol Nov 21 03:01:15 actually does anyone know if palmpad is ARM or x86 yet? Nov 21 03:01:41 or if we could just build a solar panel into the front of the device Nov 21 03:01:42 eek Nov 21 03:01:46 x86 tablets? Nov 21 03:01:57 haven't we been trying those for a decade now? Nov 21 03:02:36 good point, probably ARM. maybe even cortex-A8 (iphone and ipad use the same SoC after all, why can't pre and palmpad?) Nov 21 03:02:46 let's just hope they don't do it wrong Nov 21 03:03:53 because I really want to dev for tablets Nov 21 03:03:59 just not any one running android or iOS Nov 21 03:04:04 no matter how they do it I bet we'll have some really cool homebrew hacking on it Nov 21 03:05:05 it's promising that the new doctor doesn't show any sign of crypto lockdown in the new hardware's boot loader or flashing process either, means HP hasn't changed all that yet (and hopefully never will) Nov 21 03:05:44 god that would be terrible Nov 21 03:06:24 palm's saving face, besides its wonderful multitasking interface, for me, is its balance between "openness" and "closedness" Nov 21 03:06:41 I think palm has proved to the world that not locking your users out of their own devices isn't the end of the world (and in fact locking them out just means one person figures out a vulnerability and then everyone uses it. what they call a "class break" in social philosophy, I think Nov 21 03:07:12 but they're proud of the biggest homebrew community for mobile devices so I don't think they'll change that Nov 21 03:07:20 biggest, huh? Nov 21 03:07:35 well most active in terms of google results I guess Nov 21 03:08:37 good evening fellas Nov 21 03:08:54 Garrett92C: morning Nov 21 03:10:17 I just had a somewhat odd question about Preware... I've been bored lately so I decided to theme Preware to make it look like the App Catalog (well, color scheme at least). I was wondering if I submitted all my changes you guys might include it in a future release? :) Nov 21 03:10:48 Hi guys! Nov 21 03:11:24 i know, pretty silly request.. I figured I would at least ask though... Nov 21 03:11:55 doesn't hurt to ping rod on it Nov 21 03:12:02 I wanted to know if the frankendoctor research was still alive and well!? Nov 21 03:12:15 it is Nov 21 03:12:27 big step happened at the conference today Nov 21 03:12:38 thats great to hear! would you mind filling me in on what all has been achieved? Nov 21 03:13:00 look on precentral.net for all the details Nov 21 03:13:07 ok, I'll get in touch with him. Link to some screenshots:http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/269202-apps-do-you-want-themed-2.html#post2768325 Nov 21 03:13:17 thanks for your time :D Nov 21 03:13:21 the precentral thread was closed Nov 21 03:13:21 but in nutshell, pre2 going through sprint happened Nov 21 03:13:37 eager to se you idea garret Nov 21 03:13:46 oh yes but that was attaching a pre2 onto a sprint pre Nov 21 03:13:59 Addiarmadar: actually, I don't know about that. if you mean rod's pre2 running on sprint, that's not frankendoctor as shaikh means, he's probably looking (like us) to run 2.0 on original pre/pre+ Nov 21 03:14:20 effectively making it a pre2 on a Sprint, I wanted to know if the doctor to make a Sprint pre have webos 2.0 was doing well Nov 21 03:14:43 Addiarmadar: I posted a link to a few screenshots above Nov 21 03:14:48 yea exactly Nov 21 03:15:11 shaikh: Rod and I have been trying to get it working, I've run into problems related to graphics drivers though Nov 21 03:15:20 I would like to be one of the first to get webos 2.0 onto a Sprint Pre haha Nov 21 03:15:30 others in the channel are also working on it as well Nov 21 03:15:31 Addiarmadar: I'm not too thrilled with the header images, but the rest of it feels pretty complete. :) Nov 21 03:15:56 shaikh: You and me both... Nov 21 03:15:57 oh alright, thats good to hear though, that you guys are still going at the strong :) i thought Rob may be happy with Pre2ing he Spring Pre haha Nov 21 03:16:22 rod* Nov 21 03:16:25 garret that mod looks awesome Nov 21 03:17:00 shaikh: nobody here really wants to wait a month to start working on webos 2.0, though certainly some of the developers here may go for pre2's I think making it accessible sooner to more developers is a good goal Nov 21 03:17:03 Ye Garret, thats a very nice Preware theme Nov 21 03:17:17 Addiarmadar: Thank you! I need to remake the background and seperator images though. I temporarily borrowed Palm's App Catalog images for those lol Nov 21 03:17:54 shaikh: basically we've got everything except lunasysmgr (the gui) working, but obviously that's an important part :) Nov 21 03:18:04 I wouldn't want to steal Palm's property for a Preware theme lol Nov 21 03:18:27 Yes thats true, I dont mean to say "You all have to get this to work for me" hahaha. You guys do your good work as you please and if you guys even stop working on it I wont really mind, I would just be sad that I would have to wait longer to get 2.0 the official way Nov 21 03:18:31 this way is much more fun lol Nov 21 03:19:10 thats great man! Nov 21 03:19:20 does the gui problem seem fixable? Nov 21 03:20:19 prolly but will be a matter of timming Nov 21 03:20:35 with enough research, perhaps. there are some binary kernel drivers included in the webos kernel and I suspect one of them for the powevr gpu has changed and the new lunasysmgr is trying to talk to it using a function the old module doesn't have Nov 21 03:20:47 tru Nov 21 03:20:51 very tru Nov 21 03:21:01 palm needs to releasem Nov 21 03:21:31 and yeah the source code to the open source parts of webos 2.0 isn't even up at this point Nov 21 03:22:17 with all the timming needed to port existing content to 2.0, good chance palm will push out 2.0 to all devices I fear Nov 21 03:22:26 ohh i was just about to ask isnt palm open source. Nov 21 03:22:35 I succeeded at loading one of the two newer kernel drivers from pre2 into the pre's kernel after strippingversion information but the second one wouldn't load Nov 21 03:22:57 yeah but there are limits Nov 21 03:23:03 shaikh: the parts they license from other open source projects and modify, those are open source Nov 21 03:23:20 they will release it, it's just not ready for the big picture Nov 21 03:23:22 palm hasn't really open sourced much of anything they've developed themselves from scratch Nov 21 03:23:27 Oh yes! I remember that from the talk from the Lawyer at devday haha Nov 21 03:23:52 (unfortunately) Nov 21 03:24:06 so I wouldn't say palm is "open source" as such Nov 21 03:24:43 more that they use and customize some open source components Nov 21 03:25:51 Right, that makes sense. Nov 21 03:26:19 I wonder if rod got past the app catalog issue with that pre2 on sprint or if that's on the app catalog blocking it. Nov 21 03:27:05 well he is in the IRC haha Nov 21 03:27:10 ask him :) Nov 21 03:27:31 Addiarmadar: I imagine there's something in the app catalog that isn't ready to convert your profile to webos2.0 from 1.x yet (so a new profile works but using one made before, not so much) Nov 21 03:27:35 and if you are reading this Rod, welcome to America! And I enjoyed your presentation! Nov 21 03:27:38 done bowling already? Nov 21 03:28:50 so got past if new profile, imma gonna try with my Pre2 when I get it next week. Nov 21 03:28:53 Addiarmadar: of course I'd be interested to see whether the developers at devdays who got a free pre2 are able to use older palm profiles on the genuine device Nov 21 03:29:13 yeah they can Nov 21 03:30:23 so maybe something relating to using the device profile of an existing hardware device and serial number AND an older palm profile, maybe. interesting... Nov 21 03:30:26 activating a 2.0 device will convert the profile to 2.0 and migrate Nov 21 03:32:15 I'll have to remember that for when I get a pre2 and move it to sprint. maybe someone will have figured it out by then. if not, a new palm profile's not a big deal. Nov 21 03:32:31 rod's pre2 had the issue cause of the profile system saw meid of one device but saw another and being used on carrier not supposed to be on Nov 21 03:33:02 yeah no biggie, the bich is losing the paid apps Nov 21 03:34:21 And OTA is out the windows so any updates will have to be metadoctor Nov 21 03:34:37 Addiarmadar: that's not known for sure yet Nov 21 03:35:09 if the updates does kernel changes,, yeeeeeah Nov 21 03:35:57 The device will identify itself as roadrunner, not castle, so you won't get the wrong kernel. Nov 21 03:36:19 can't bet beta catalog apps onto my device ota. need to sideload them Nov 21 03:36:59 get* Nov 21 03:37:09 =( Nov 21 03:37:30 right but the update server pushes updates based on carrier flags too Nov 21 03:38:20 well 2.0.1 is out so wondering if rod's pre2 took it. best way to find out :) Nov 21 03:38:27 Addiarmadar: sprint will still support webos2.0 eventually, it *may* work (or may not) depending on how the OTA system works Nov 21 03:38:42 sfr only got the 2.0.1 update. just bugs Nov 21 03:39:06 unbranded gsms should only be getting it Nov 21 03:39:07 dev day pre 2 don't have an ota update yet. Nov 21 03:39:31 orly? Nov 21 03:39:34 I'm using it on wifi and no updates Nov 21 03:39:43 in fact, just sits there checking Nov 21 03:40:22 palm did say they were rationing the distribution to make sure the server doesn't get taxed. Nov 21 03:40:24 bnceo: I think some things aren't quite ready for pre2's besides SFR Nov 21 03:40:47 ya I know. Nov 21 03:41:03 need to get an att sim on this thing Nov 21 03:41:51 bnceo: btw are dev day pre's unlocked UTMS devices? Nov 21 03:42:01 destinal: next year sprint should get 2.0 but I want it now :) Nov 21 03:42:04 s/pre/pre2/ Nov 21 03:42:17 yes Nov 21 03:42:27 no such as unbranded cdma Nov 21 03:42:37 it will get it. no worries. een pixi will, minus flash. Nov 21 03:42:49 don't think the carriers won't allow it accept maybe metropcs Nov 21 03:42:50 even* Nov 21 03:43:36 Addiarmadar: well you can use pre2 on sprint or verizon today with the comm board swap but otherwise yeah it's probably hard to get either of the two to allow you to connect a device branded for the other Nov 21 03:43:43 even though there's no technical reason why not Nov 21 03:43:49 I have a feeling pixi will get flash just at a later time Nov 21 03:43:59 Cricket would probably be fine with whichever :) Nov 21 03:44:39 destinal: comm swap is not ready. works, but profile needs fixing. it will get there I think when sprint gets 2.0 Nov 21 03:44:52 destinal: when you do the com board swap, the carrier is still seeing the same ESN on that board and radio Nov 21 03:45:13 the com board is all they care about Nov 21 03:46:08 ya, true Nov 21 03:46:23 sure, I just mean that trying to get a comm board from sprint talking to vzw or vice versa would be unlikely to be successful but cricket will take anything Nov 21 03:46:26 It's still a neat feat rod did and proves just how close the pre and pre2 really are Nov 21 03:46:54 ya. super impressed. Nov 21 03:48:16 btw, can I say how much I love wIRC. WOW Nov 21 03:49:15 when I get my Pre2, I'm hoping to make a full top app to have a full task manager. Nov 21 03:49:23 yes wirc ROCKS Nov 21 03:49:40 and will be in the 2.0 catalog soon I hear Nov 21 03:49:55 First time fully using it. loved that Ben from Palm had it on his launcher. Nov 21 03:50:05 good. I pay a pretty penny for it. Nov 21 03:50:42 2.99 or 3.99 would be nice. .99 would be insulting to this app Nov 21 03:50:55 brb wife agro Nov 21 03:51:25 wirc is that good huh? Nov 21 03:51:28 I have a question, Is this the only place to get news on the Frankendoctor? Is there any secret thread or maybe someone's twitter or rss feed which i can keep an eye on to keep up with the news? Nov 21 03:51:53 shaikh: you can always read the livelog of this channel, this is where everything happens Nov 21 03:51:57 there was a precentral threat till some dumbass fubard it for us Nov 21 03:52:53 yes, but can I read the livelog of this channel with my phone? Nov 21 03:52:57 shaikh: I think I'm currently the furthest of us along but I haven't had time to try to reverse engineer the ioctl that's going wrong Nov 21 03:53:06 shaikh: sure, it's a web page Nov 21 03:53:45 Im sorry for being a noob, but this is the first time ive used IRC haha. Where can I find this livelog? Nov 21 03:54:04 check the channel topic, it's linked there Nov 21 03:54:52 also http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Nov 21 03:55:06 lulz... logs... Nov 21 03:55:07 Oh i found them? There are a few webos ones. Three of them are webos-internals Nov 21 03:55:34 awesome! Thank you very much sir! Nov 21 03:55:52 ya. these guys rock Nov 21 03:56:08 shaikh: no problem Nov 21 03:57:50 would it be possible for palm to just start putting out OTA updates regardless of carrier? or is there some sort of legal agreement that they have Nov 21 03:58:09 carriers have rights over the devices Nov 21 03:58:22 hell incarnate Nov 21 03:58:26 uh huh :( Nov 21 03:58:46 carrier has to make sure their icons and pre installed crap are in the pkgs Nov 21 03:58:59 amongst other stuff... Nov 21 03:59:37 you guys hear about those iphone/ipad rumors where they're apparently gonna have some sort of internal sim that gives carriers the middle finger Nov 21 03:59:46 and that it doesn't mess with their cell towers and other backend systems Nov 21 04:00:17 ipod and ipad get updated via itunes. no ota Nov 21 04:02:37 torchie: a cool thing would be a custom / offline OTA updater that grabs the update packages from palm and installs them regardless of carrier approval. Nov 21 04:02:57 yeah, that's what I'm thinking Nov 21 04:03:04 like check palm.com over wifi Nov 21 04:03:06 so if OTA updates exist for any one carrier you could grab them Nov 21 04:03:55 well the "OTA" updater will use wifi already I believe but bases the list on what it grabs from what is new for your carrier Nov 21 04:04:00 what are the acrobatics involved in creating a dual mode pentaband GSM / CDMA phone Nov 21 04:04:09 dev phones IMO should get updates the fastest. no carrier Nov 21 04:04:23 phones should get the updates* Nov 21 04:04:28 torchie: $$$ Nov 21 04:04:35 :( Nov 21 04:04:56 torchie: ouch, if you mean a dual mode hacked pre, great pain. a larger case and putting two comm boards in it and bulding a switch?? Nov 21 04:05:06 well I mean the phone makers themselves Nov 21 04:05:30 does it cost significantly more/totally throw off the phone's size to make it dual mode? Nov 21 04:05:50 the droid 2 world edition's about the same size as the regular droid 2 right Nov 21 04:06:01 I don't think any of the modem chipset manufacturers make one that does both is the reason nobody makes them Nov 21 04:06:56 then what's the deal with the world edition blackberry curve, droid, and touch pro 2? Nov 21 04:06:59 there's no real benefit to it and the cdma carriers would generally hate it Nov 21 04:07:53 and it's only american cdma carriers putting out these dual mode phones apparently Nov 21 04:08:04 vzw has a lot of biz clients. they need a world phone. and they price it higher as such. out of our reach as consumers Nov 21 04:08:11 d2 world's verizon, touch pro 2 world's sprint, world blackberry curve is sprint Nov 21 04:08:15 I suppose Nov 21 04:08:52 ah, I didn't realize such a device actually existed. well that would help them overcome the businesses that would object to their traveling users not being able to use GSM prepaid SIMs in other countries Nov 21 04:09:04 new idea Nov 21 04:09:07 webos needs cred in enterprise and consumers to get a world phone. long ways away. 2 years imo Nov 21 04:09:09 hot swappable comm boards Nov 21 04:09:17 so yeah I think only a mainstream CDMA company would have a reason to make one Nov 21 04:09:56 and I'm guessing they probably have two chipsets softswitched to the RF gear but I don't know for sure Nov 21 04:10:47 hmm Nov 21 04:12:08 you could make a comm board that could do both but honestly it would probably cost more than one that did either one by itself Nov 21 04:12:16 liking this pre 2 camera. better lighting Nov 21 04:12:48 bnceo: it's a much better part. unfortunately I think it still doesn't have autofocus, does it? Nov 21 04:13:17 nope. guess no bar code reader on this either Nov 21 04:13:19 =( Nov 21 04:14:40 no autofocus still? :( Nov 21 04:14:58 hmm. quick office don't like my excel file on google docs. weird. Nov 21 04:15:04 my friend's LG env touch has autofocus and macro mode, it's crazy Nov 21 04:15:14 bnceo: I wonder, has anyone tried carrying a macro lens that sticks over the carmera to do barcodes? Nov 21 04:15:20 like it is one pretty sweet featurephone Nov 21 04:15:24 also comes with this amazing alarm tone Nov 21 04:15:30 ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba! Nov 21 04:15:32 good morning~ Nov 21 04:15:34 it's a beautiful day Nov 21 04:15:45 thx? lol Nov 21 04:16:02 destinal: sounds like a weekend experiment. Nov 21 04:16:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rl80iqrsjc#t=0m45s Nov 21 04:16:47 Delicious Monster also seems to have written an amazing algorithm for scanning out of focus barcodes Nov 21 04:17:03 they use it for isight to read barcodes in their software Nov 21 04:17:46 "We had to write a new algorithm, using hard math and research papers and stuff, to do “image deconvolution” where we actually use the vector processor to re-focus the out-of-focus image, like in the movies or CSI, except for real." Nov 21 04:18:30 too bad it's a competitive advantage and not open source software :( Nov 21 04:21:28 wow. google docs on the browser reads my excel file better than quick office. I'm dumbfounded Nov 21 04:23:09 love the profile name on this thing: Dr Skipped Firstuse Nov 21 04:28:22 hmm apparently having full motion video helps with deconvolution of barcodes as well. in either case, there's lots of math.. Nov 21 04:29:06 ya. Nov 21 04:45:13 anyone in here play eve online? Nov 21 04:48:39 I tried once, but meh Nov 21 04:48:47 how long ago? Nov 21 04:48:56 a few months Nov 21 04:48:59 ah Nov 21 04:49:07 must be a WoWer? Nov 21 04:49:12 nope Nov 21 04:49:37 Don't play any mmorpgs Nov 21 04:49:51 ahh Nov 21 04:51:23 * phil_bw wanders by Nov 21 04:52:00 * Mugen[home] shoots phil with the aircannon Nov 21 04:52:20 dude... wIRC: Waiting for the plugin... ? Nov 21 04:52:34 you killed it Nov 21 04:52:43 nooooooooooooooooo Nov 21 04:53:51 * phil_bw drops to the ground Nov 21 04:54:46 that means the plugin died Nov 21 04:55:42 which plugin? Nov 21 04:55:52 wIRC's Nov 21 04:57:01 i'm confused... where did it install a plugin, and how did i manage to kill it? Nov 21 04:57:47 wIRC is hybrid, so it has both mojo and plugin stuff in one package, and who knows? Nov 21 04:58:16 ...alright, so how would i go about fixing this sucker? reinstall? Nov 21 04:58:37 reboot does it for me Nov 21 04:59:53 luna or full reboot? Nov 21 05:00:10 i know full, but luna might fix it as well Nov 21 05:00:14 kk Nov 21 05:00:15 thx Nov 21 05:00:21 it's called delicious monster now huh Nov 21 05:04:10 LOL Nov 21 05:04:34 best modern family quote EVER "Apparently my wife's in europe searching for the worlds most expensive hotel" Nov 21 05:07:40 off to bed. need sleep. pre on one side. pre 2 on the other. Nov 21 05:07:45 lata guys Nov 21 05:07:54 o\ Nov 21 05:08:11 going to be a hot night Nov 21 05:08:17 lol Nov 21 05:08:31 alright, so reboots didn't help wirc Nov 21 05:08:41 effin' hybrids Nov 21 05:09:04 yeah, the Prius does suck Nov 21 05:09:10 er wrong hybrids Nov 21 05:09:46 :) Nov 21 05:09:55 ...but seriously wtf Nov 21 05:10:39 just getting over a cold Nov 21 05:10:48 kind of a smart ass when I'm sick Nov 21 05:11:04 try reinstalling Nov 21 05:11:08 i am Nov 21 05:14:13 trying to run wirc on pixi? Nov 21 05:15:51 uh Nov 21 05:15:57 nooooooooo Nov 21 05:19:16 then reinstall! Nov 21 05:19:24 i am! Nov 21 05:19:33 errr-- did! Nov 21 05:20:58 yup... still busted Nov 21 05:21:32 luna reboot.. full reboot. reinstalled. luna reboot. full reboot. nadda Nov 21 05:26:35 well seems the problem is that wircd didn't install... WebOSquickinstall never prompted me to fix the dependancy Nov 21 05:27:29 why aren't you using Preware to install wIRC ? Nov 21 05:27:51 not in the list Nov 21 05:28:04 is there a repository i have to add? Nov 21 05:28:38 Curse of the pixi strikes again! Nov 21 05:30:17 bam! Nov 21 05:33:02 poor pixi Nov 21 05:33:10 see if the pixi had the exact same specs as the pre Nov 21 05:33:11 party Nov 21 05:35:34 so, can anyone point me in the right direction? Nov 21 05:35:53 wIRC doesn't show up in Preware... and wIRCd doesn't show up in QuickInstall Nov 21 05:37:20 install this: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv6/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.2.4_arm.ipk Nov 21 05:44:25 oil! Nov 21 05:44:36 hey Nov 21 05:44:50 half, thanks man, that fixed it Nov 21 05:45:27 curious tho... how come that it didn't show up in my internals feed? Nov 21 05:46:51 wait Nov 21 05:47:34 ...the fix is to install an older version? :P Nov 21 05:47:49 yup Nov 21 05:49:11 heh. Nov 21 06:09:41 wow. here's an issue. i'm on version 1.4.1.1 Nov 21 06:12:11 didn't realize webos doctor restored to 1.4.1.1 Nov 21 06:56:47 hello, i need help with recovery Nov 21 06:57:13 now, the doctor is stuck at 8%, which means it's a corrupted filesystem right? Nov 21 06:57:24 i managed to access the recovery shell with novaterm Nov 21 06:57:45 problem is, whenever i touch the LVM volumes it will cause it to panic Nov 21 06:58:45 novaterm will freeze there and the devices reboots, means novaterm have lost the connection Nov 21 06:59:04 rainyryh: I saw an instance of that recently with another person who came in here, I guess he had dropped his phone and then that started happening whenever he tried to recover — we're guessing he had a physically damaged flash disk or flash controller hardware connection was messed up somehow Nov 21 06:59:43 whoa Nov 21 07:00:06 we tried various things but weren't able to get it working, even raw writes to the flash disk would panic the kernel and it would reboot Nov 21 07:00:24 is there a better way to get trace when it panics? Nov 21 07:00:37 even cat /proc/kmsg > /dev/pts/0 Nov 21 07:00:39 you can read the kernel log via bootie Nov 21 07:00:47 couldn't send it over to term when it panics Nov 21 07:01:20 if you catch it in bootie right after a panic while it's still on you can get the kmsg with novacom get Nov 21 07:01:20 hmm.. ok i check on bootie Nov 21 07:02:25 sorry, "klog list" is the command in bootie I believe Nov 21 07:02:58 rainyryh: was this device working fine before, did anything happen around the time it stopped? Nov 21 07:03:57 phone is my friend's Nov 21 07:04:45 rainyryh: if you don't mind me asking where are you located, could it be the same device of the person who came in before? seems a really rare type of issue Nov 21 07:04:52 he said it was fine until he tried webos Quick Install, panics, phone goes to reboot loop Nov 21 07:05:28 he got it from ebay yesterday Nov 21 07:05:53 ah, ok, well if it was working fine then it wasn't the same one, that one definitely wasn't :) Nov 21 07:06:13 ic Nov 21 07:06:24 rainyryh: I wonder if the flash could have been degraded the same way though or corrupted Nov 21 07:07:21 I've heard removing power while the device is writing can corrupt flash, maybe it can corrupt more than just filesystems and blocks on disk Nov 21 07:08:34 rainyryh: weird to not have seen this before and then twice in a short period of time. maybe it's just that most people probably don't debug this issue and just return the device to the carrier if they can Nov 21 07:08:54 hm. Nov 21 07:10:11 rainyryh: for the last person, we tried checking the logical volumes, they checked out, we tried recreating the fat filesystem, and it paniced. we tried dd'ing over disk parttion 3 from /dev/zero and it paniced Nov 21 07:10:57 in the end we even tried dding from /dev/zero to the raw /dev/mmc* (whichever it is) disk, even knowing that would wipe out the tokens and important data if it worked, but there was nothing else really to do anyway, and even that paniced Nov 21 07:11:14 so that proved it wasn't anything with the partition table being corrupted or any individual partition Nov 21 07:11:19 yes this is the problem i'm having now Nov 21 07:11:35 it could *READ* fine, too, just never write Nov 21 07:12:59 I'd be tempted to swap the flash chip but I think it's a BGA surface mount chip so pretty tricky to reflow :) Nov 21 07:13:18 I wonder if the device itself is still under manufacturer warranty Nov 21 07:15:44 I'm reading about similar failures on other embedded devices, looks like this might be a common flash failure mode Nov 21 07:16:55 I wonder how much has to do with how much webos devices are constantly writing logs to flash, that probably has to add up to a large number of writes over time. Nov 21 07:22:49 how can i go back to bootie after it panics? Nov 21 07:28:11 hmm, not sure. you could use the omap loader to load bootie, it grabs the omap3430's usb diagnostic interface when it appears briefly before boot Nov 21 07:28:35 see here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Nov 21 07:29:21 you need to be on some kind of unix host and extract boot.bin from the doctor and then sudo omap3_usbload boot.bin Nov 21 07:29:37 it'll wait for the omap3430 to appear and then send it bootie to have it boot off of it Nov 21 07:30:04 you may be able to just hold down the up arrow while it reboots but I'm not sure, I haven't tried it Nov 21 07:30:18 err volume up that is Nov 21 07:30:58 since normally when you turn on the device if you're holding vol up it'll go into bootie's and wait Nov 21 07:31:27 if you hold it down when the device reboots, I'm not sure if it'll do the same. if not, use omap3_usbload Nov 21 07:35:01 holding vol up when it panics and reboots works Nov 21 07:35:25 awesome, thought so just never tried exactly that scenario Nov 21 07:35:37 I'm usually booting cold when I want to go into bootie for recovery Nov 21 07:35:42 "kernel panic - not syncing: MMC_CMD13 failed 0x00080900" Nov 21 07:36:05 most likely flash memory is faulty Nov 21 07:37:14 google shows beagleboard (same omap family) to #define MMC_CMD13 (INDEX(13) | RSP_TYPE_R1 | DP_NO_DATA | DDIR_WRITE) Nov 21 07:37:30 I could look at webos's kernel specifically but I'm willing to bet it's the same write command Nov 21 07:40:46 rainyryh: I wonder if you can find this device's creation date, see if it's still under manufacturer's warranty and get palm to replace it? I really wonder if all the logging these devices do cause them to write too much and burn blocks of flash even with wear leveling Nov 21 07:40:56 it's decided my friend is going to send it back for repair. Nov 21 07:41:24 *nods* sounds like a plan Nov 21 07:41:25 well, anyways, i thank you for your time, destinal Nov 21 07:42:00 rainyryh: you're welcome, I feel a little better about the other device we saw now that I've seen another example of the issu Nov 21 07:42:02 e Nov 21 07:42:49 ok, i'm done here. see you. Nov 21 07:43:05 rainyryh: good night Nov 21 08:09:33 test Nov 21 09:34:16 så Nov 21 09:38:54 �� Nov 21 09:58:42 hi MetaView Nov 21 09:59:29 hi Nov 21 13:19:20 morning Nov 21 13:19:58 morning Nov 21 13:21:30 I wonder if the pixi shuts down if it exceeds 50,000 feet altitude... Nov 21 13:21:55 hehehe Nov 21 13:22:16 or gets down to -20C...or something like that. Nov 21 13:22:39 enyo amazing tom Nov 21 13:22:58 I should look at that talk. Nov 21 13:23:10 really fufills promise made in ares. Nov 21 13:23:42 also name is cool Nov 21 13:23:52 ya, it is. Nov 21 13:24:12 I've been hacking around on my pixi tonight making it so that I can take a picture every 5 seconds. Nov 21 13:24:47 cool now, mount to front of acr Nov 21 13:24:49 car Nov 21 13:25:13 I'm actually going to fly one...dunno how high it will go. Nov 21 13:25:45 want to keep it warm enough Nov 21 13:25:47 ahhh. ballon or rocket? Nov 21 13:25:59 balloon Nov 21 13:26:17 chem hand warmer plus duct tape Nov 21 13:26:27 ya, thats what I think too... Nov 21 13:26:42 hams.... Nov 21 13:26:58 the tracker is one that has been flown a bunch of times. Nov 21 13:27:13 track via gps via 2m? Nov 21 13:27:19 APRS Nov 21 13:27:42 on 2M ya. Nov 21 13:27:43 ahhh Nov 21 13:28:15 have to figure out how to get the GPS data out of the phone however...dunno if I can. Nov 21 13:29:31 wanted to 2 my -pre but we have to figure out the profile problemm... Nov 21 13:29:49 bummers Nov 21 13:30:30 odnod Nov 21 13:30:37 there has to be an API for the GPS. Nov 21 13:30:52 is Nov 21 13:31:38 doubt it gives altitude however Nov 21 13:32:42 true. wonder why not? all gps fixes are 3d Nov 21 13:33:13 inherant in the math Nov 21 13:33:27 with 4 sats ya... Nov 21 13:34:26 well.. with 3 sats you have a confusion centerin on an altitude Nov 21 13:34:29 the pixi is lighter than the iPhone...should go higher. Nov 21 13:35:05 (but its probably more a function of when the balloon bursts. Nov 21 13:35:13 _ Nov 21 13:35:17 isn't height limited to balloon break? Nov 21 13:35:26 ya, Nov 21 13:35:36 so... no Nov 21 13:35:39 but you don't have to stress it as much if you are lighter. Nov 21 13:35:54 ie LESS gas needed to lift and longer before burst. Nov 21 13:36:05 chute or crush landing Nov 21 13:36:19 I hope the chute works! Nov 21 13:36:49 prefer planned crush Nov 21 13:37:09 how much cushion? Nov 21 13:37:11 6" Nov 21 13:37:13 or more? Nov 21 13:37:47 more. 12 last time. 7 layers. Nov 21 13:38:10 whoa... Nov 21 13:38:14