**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 24 02:59:58 2010
Nov 24 03:01:27 <destinal> egaudet`:  in tisgxddk -  ./services4/srvkm/env/linux/module.c:#define DRVNAME		"pvrsrvkm"
Nov 24 03:01:55 <rwhitby> destinal: sysmgr-headers.tar.gz has the NPAPI headers
Nov 24 03:02:07 <bpadalino> indeed it does
Nov 24 03:02:08 <destinal> rwhitby: wow
Nov 24 03:02:09 <egaudet`> the kernel patches aren't quite complete for building for omap3430
Nov 24 03:02:13 <egaudet`> btw
Nov 24 03:02:24 <egaudet`> http://webos.pastebin.com/embwA0DM
Nov 24 03:02:26 <rwhitby> egaudet`: I suspect they are Pre 2 patches only
Nov 24 03:02:28 <egaudet`> add that in
Nov 24 03:02:52 <PuffTheMagic> this really sucks not having a 2.0 device yet
Nov 24 03:02:59 <egaudet`> the kernel boots on the pre
Nov 24 03:03:04 <bpadalino> rwhitby has one
Nov 24 03:03:07 <bpadalino> so does oil
Nov 24 03:03:30 <PuffTheMagic> and yet that dont change what i said ;)
Nov 24 03:03:48 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: well if we get this kernel going we can all have 2.0 devices right away :)
Nov 24 03:04:14 <egaudet`> I got 5:00 left to download the cs09 toolchain
Nov 24 03:04:20 <PuffTheMagic> i dont want to run 2.0 if its gonna be slower than 1.4.5
Nov 24 03:04:39 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet`: u could build one on gentoo faster
Nov 24 03:04:48 <PuffTheMagic> u could built it 10 times over
Nov 24 03:05:09 <egaudet`> 10 times in 5 minutes i doubt it
Nov 24 03:05:35 <egaudet`> i meant 5 minutes not 5 hours btw :P
Nov 24 03:05:35 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: have you sent in for a coupon yet?
Nov 24 03:05:44 <PuffTheMagic> 5:00 is 5 hours
Nov 24 03:06:13 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: ya im under review
Nov 24 03:06:37 <rwhitby> as soon as you get it, order the device. don't need to wait for me.
Nov 24 03:07:54 <egaudet`> 5:00 can also be 5 minutes and 0 seconds :P
Nov 24 03:08:04 <bpadalino> true
Nov 24 03:08:27 <PuffTheMagic> not with out a leading 0:
Nov 24 03:08:37 <destinal> egaudet`: with your patch did you manage to make the powervr driver build?
Nov 24 03:09:52 <bpadalino> what do you think Key_Optical is in the qt4 patch ?
Nov 24 03:10:38 <destinal> egaudet`: or wait I misread that patch, where did the TI stuff not build?
Nov 24 03:11:26 <PuffTheMagic> bpadalino: iris scanner
Nov 24 03:11:41 <egaudet`> destinal, the patch i put up is to get the 2.0 kernel to build for omap3430
Nov 24 03:11:51 <SineOt> bpadalino: optical mouse style center button
Nov 24 03:11:53 <egaudet`> they missed a few ifdefs for OMAP3630
Nov 24 03:12:16 <rwhitby> egaudet`: you said it booted?
Nov 24 03:12:22 <egaudet`> rwhitby, yes it boots
Nov 24 03:12:45 <bpadalino> SineOt: ah, you think so ?
Nov 24 03:12:47 <rwhitby> you used omap_sirloin_3430_defconfig or omap_sirloin_3630_defconfig ?
Nov 24 03:12:57 <SineOt> bpadalino: it's more likely than an iris scanner :p
Nov 24 03:12:58 <egaudet`> 3430, I franken doctor'd to the point of where we were with the 1.4.5 kernel
Nov 24 03:13:02 <bpadalino> :)
Nov 24 03:13:12 <rwhitby> egaudet`: nice
Nov 24 03:13:35 <egaudet`> now if I can build this pvrsvmkm module
Nov 24 03:15:19 * rwhitby bbl (lunch)
Nov 24 03:16:47 <rwhitby> egaudet`: key_Optical may be optical sensor
Nov 24 03:20:59 <destinal> egaudet`: any idea what's causing the build to fail?
Nov 24 03:21:41 <SineOt> rwhitby: what do you mean by optical sensor? the ambient light sensor?
Nov 24 03:22:07 <bpadalino> i guess libsoup is new to the whole shebang ..
Nov 24 03:22:30 <egaudet`> destinal, what build?
Nov 24 03:22:34 <rwhitby> looks like the cryptofs-patch is reversed
Nov 24 03:23:31 <destinal> egaudet`: the TI, or have you tried it yet?
Nov 24 03:24:00 <egaudet`> not yet, rebuilding the kernel with cs09q1armel
Nov 24 03:24:50 <jacques> egaudet`, what are the errors?
Nov 24 03:25:07 <egaudet`> what errors
Nov 24 03:25:18 <bpadalino> agreed
Nov 24 03:25:21 <jacques> "I built it for pre trying to frankendoctor but pvrsvrkm.ko still complains"
Nov 24 03:25:28 <bpadalino> rwhitby: agreed on the reverseness of the patch rather
Nov 24 03:26:13 <egaudet> jacques, oh it complains loading the module, symbol version or what not
Nov 24 03:26:19 * scoutcamper watches as webos history is made
Nov 24 03:26:33 <egaudet> but I didn't realize they posted source for that so I'll try to build that module when the kernel is finished building
Nov 24 03:26:43 <jacques> egaudet, but the errors haven't changed? they still look the same as before the new kernel source?
Nov 24 03:26:53 <jacques> ah ok
Nov 24 03:27:40 <SineOt> so just as an aside, looking at the mentions of the ifdefs for 3430 not being completely in... I take it there's nothing about the MSM2772 or whatever in the Pixi, eh?
Nov 24 03:28:38 <rwhitby> no, pixi has always had a separate patch
Nov 24 03:28:46 <egaudet> flipping yes, the module builds perfectly too :)
Nov 24 03:29:07 * destinal crosses his fingers for module load and luna happiness
Nov 24 03:29:11 <bpadalino> yay
Nov 24 03:29:39 <scoutcamper> SineOt, is your peware finaled?
Nov 24 03:30:00 <SineOt> scoutcamper: oh, no. I repackaged it to fix any possible versioning issues in the future
Nov 24 03:30:03 <jacques> is the pvrsvrkm.ko source in the kernel patch or in sgxddk.tgz or somewhere else?
Nov 24 03:30:16 <SineOt> been doing school stuff today, probably won't touch it more until late friday
Nov 24 03:30:18 <destinal> jacques: the lgz
Nov 24 03:30:21 <destinal> s/lgz/tgz/
Nov 24 03:30:22 <infobot> destinal meant: jacques: the tgz
Nov 24 03:30:28 <jacques> heh thanks
Nov 24 03:31:28 * rwhitby gets lunch to encourage Murphy to smile on egaudet and make it work while I'm away.
Nov 24 03:33:46 <scoutcamper> lol!
Nov 24 03:43:43 <rwhitby> didn't work.
Nov 24 03:45:17 <destinal> egaudet: any luck?
Nov 24 03:45:49 <destinal> I should probably set up a crossdev environment here
Nov 24 03:46:18 <destinal> haven't on this new workstation build yet
Nov 24 03:46:42 <egaudet> :/
Nov 24 03:48:01 <egaudet> same ole same ole
Nov 24 03:48:04 <egaudet> LoadNamedWSModule /usr/lib/egl/libeglsubdrv.so
Nov 24 03:48:04 <egaudet> Could not initialize EGL display - are the drivers loaded?
Nov 24 03:49:05 <destinal> egaudet:hmm..  I don't think that's the error I was getting when I tried it last...
Nov 24 03:49:17 <egaudet> .it was what I've always gotten
Nov 24 03:49:21 <rwhitby> it is
Nov 24 03:49:37 <egaudet> :'( so close
Nov 24 03:51:14 <rwhitby> do we have source for libeglsubdrv ?
Nov 24 03:51:43 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, go gentoo!
Nov 24 03:52:40 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: except that my workstation's running OSX and I'd rather avoid a VM
Nov 24 03:53:11 <destinal> is there an ia64/darwin build of the cs stuff?
Nov 24 03:53:31 <SineOt> ia64? isn't that for Itanium chips?
Nov 24 03:53:39 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, can u chroot into linux from bsd?
Nov 24 03:53:55 <rwhitby> destinal: I use the CS toolchain from the Palm PDK
Nov 24 03:54:17 <destinal> rwhitby: oh right, PDK :)
Nov 24 03:54:21 <rwhitby> but I've not been successful building a kernel with it
Nov 24 03:54:25 <egaudet> what does it mean when ldd seg faults on a .so
Nov 24 03:55:00 <destinal> SineOt:  correct, should be amd64 rather
Nov 24 03:55:24 <SineOt> destinal: hah, I was about to ask just what kind of crazy Mac you had found... ;p
Nov 24 03:55:24 <destinal> or whatever intel named their copy of amd64 :)
Nov 24 03:55:29 <Shaikh> Wooooo! I got a tweet saying the kernel has been released and the last hurdle for Frankenpre is getting worked on. Is this true?!
Nov 24 03:55:34 <SineOt> x86_64
Nov 24 03:55:48 <ashi_todd> yay
Nov 24 03:56:06 <ashi_todd> should be all sorted out when my pre 2 arrives in a week... thanks everyone.
Nov 24 03:56:09 <destinal> Shaikh: yeah, well, there may be more hurdles :)
Nov 24 03:56:32 <Shaikh> haha, well at least its one less Hurdle :)
Nov 24 03:56:32 <Davide_> Question: are the audio APIs finally exposed?
Nov 24 03:56:50 <Jakeeeee> yeah
Nov 24 03:58:07 <destinal> egaudet: have you tried copying EGL libs from castle?  I know it's a shot in the dark..
Nov 24 03:58:36 <destinal> but I seem to recall I got a different error
Nov 24 03:58:43 <tmzt_g2root> destinal: em64t
Nov 24 04:00:44 * scoutcamper wonders if there will  be a 2.0 (pre 2) overclock kernel now
Nov 24 04:02:21 <egaudet> destinal, it's the first error
Nov 24 04:02:26 <egaudet> but the error when it crashes is
Nov 24 04:02:33 <egaudet> ** (LunaSysMgr:3036): CRITICAL **: FATAL:(TextureSharedCompositingWindow::TextureSharedCompositingWindow(int, int, unsigned int, HostWindowDataOpenGLTextureShared*):66) gc
Nov 24 04:03:00 <destinal> egaudet: ah, yup, and the first error is at that same ioctl I assume?  I just went back and read my pastebin from nov 09
Nov 24 04:04:23 <egaudet> not sure
Nov 24 04:05:17 <destinal> scoutcamper: it's important to differentiate 1.x from 2.x as being different from castle vs roadrunner (pre2)  .. yeah probably a roadrunner uberkernel can be done but right now we're trying to get 2.0 to work on castle with help from the source from the kernel used on roadrunner in 2.0
Nov 24 04:05:48 <scoutcamper> i know, i am saying it is now possible, not being worked on
Nov 24 04:06:04 <Jakeeeee> is this 2.0 for castle or roadrunner?> sorry i just kind of fell in the loop
Nov 24 04:06:13 <rwhitby> there is no 2.0 for castle
Nov 24 04:06:21 <Jakeeeee> yet?
Nov 24 04:06:25 <rwhitby> the only stuff released is for roadrunner
Nov 24 04:06:26 <SineOt> correct
Nov 24 04:06:34 <SineOt> Palm has said that there will be in the "coming months"
Nov 24 04:06:56 <Jakeeeee> okay gotcha. so are we just trying to create a custom kernel?
Nov 24 04:07:07 <rwhitby> The FrankenDoctor is to run 2.0 on castle
Nov 24 04:07:16 <SineOt> trying to get 2.0 on Castle earlier than in the "coming months" basically
Nov 24 04:07:16 <Jakeeeee> SO intense.
Nov 24 04:08:33 <Shaikh> does Castel refer to both pre plus and pre minus?
Nov 24 04:08:45 <ashi_todd> Shaikh: yes
Nov 24 04:09:40 <Shaikh> awesome :)
Nov 24 04:09:42 <SineOt> guess what Pixie refers to! :V
Nov 24 04:09:46 <Shaikh> i love you people :)
Nov 24 04:09:54 <ashi_todd> <3
Nov 24 04:10:04 <Jakeeeee> is the hardest part of switching from roadrunner to castle the difference in processors?
Nov 24 04:10:29 <scoutcamper> Jakeeeee, from what i understand, yes
Nov 24 04:13:01 <destinal> so, what IS libegl, precisely?
Nov 24 04:13:19 <raeb> the opposite of slandegr
Nov 24 04:13:34 <scoutcamper> lib graphics?
Nov 24 04:13:57 <scoutcamper> destinal, library of graphics
Nov 24 04:14:13 <destinal> scoutcamper: yes I know that much...
Nov 24 04:14:31 <scoutcamper> :D
Nov 24 04:14:52 <destinal> ah, from mesa
Nov 24 04:14:57 <raeb> EGL™ is an interface between Khronos rendering APIs -OpenGL ES- and the underlying native platform window system.
Nov 24 04:15:02 <destinal> http://www.mesa3d.org/
Nov 24 04:15:37 <scoutcamper> destinal beat me to that link
Nov 24 04:17:07 <scoutcamper> netsplit?
Nov 24 04:18:05 * phil_bw wanders by
Nov 24 04:18:30 <ka6sox> morning phil_bw
Nov 24 04:18:48 <phil_bw> mornin'
Nov 24 04:19:01 <ka6sox> how goes it/
Nov 24 04:19:03 <ka6sox> ?
Nov 24 04:19:11 <egaudet> anyone that has a pre2 can you tell me what the output of lsmod is
Nov 24 04:19:42 <jacques> http://www.khronos.org/egl/
Nov 24 04:19:57 <rwhitby> egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/WccgFXv1
Nov 24 04:20:40 <destinal> I don't recognize omaplfb...
Nov 24 04:20:55 <PuffTheMagic> hw acclerated fb driver
Nov 24 04:21:08 <rwhitby> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        16808 Nov 18 11:09 /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/tisgxgfx/omaplfb.ko
Nov 24 04:21:10 <destinal> rwhitby: unfortunately libeglsubdrv seems to only exist in webos as near as I can tell
Nov 24 04:21:28 <scoutcamper> omaplfb=omap level facebook?
Nov 24 04:21:46 <jacques> I think by definition EGL libs are platform-specific
Nov 24 04:21:55 <destinal> probably something about a frame buffer
Nov 24 04:22:05 <scoutcamper> or just palm wanted to write their own thing
Nov 24 04:23:00 <Jakeeeee> frame buffer
Nov 24 04:23:01 <Jakeeeee> lol
Nov 24 04:24:17 <destinal> jacques: hmm,  ./services4/3rdparty/dc_omap3430_linux/omaplfb_displayclass.c:    // Do 1 first to get reverse ordering in egl subdriver (0 first)
Nov 24 04:25:07 <destinal> so clearly libeglsubdrv  is an egl subdriver (I know, genius, right?)
Nov 24 04:25:14 <jacques> :-)
Nov 24 04:26:03 <jacques> I don't understand the "do 1 first ..." comment at all
Nov 24 04:26:45 <jacques> ordering of what?
Nov 24 04:27:29 <destinal> the only google hit for "egl subdriver" is palm's libsdl patch where it tries loading it
Nov 24 04:28:07 <destinal> so this must be a fairly unique thing
Nov 24 04:29:25 <jacques> that reminds me I want to diff the libsdl patches
Nov 24 04:29:33 <PuffTheMagic> sounds like the subdriver is juse userland access/control for the driver
Nov 24 04:30:15 <destinal> can we figure out what the ioctl's it's doing to the powervr driver would result in at least, I wonder
Nov 24 04:32:43 <destinal> owner, unlock, open, release, and mmap
Nov 24 04:32:49 <jacques> destinal, luna is doing the ioctls ?
Nov 24 04:32:58 <Jakeeeee> alright i'm out. good luck egaudget, puff, destinal, rod, etc.
Nov 24 04:33:00 <destinal> jacques: yup
Nov 24 04:33:07 <destinal> I have an strace from a while back
Nov 24 04:33:57 <Shaikh> what does the + mean infront of all the important people's names?
Nov 24 04:34:08 <halfhalo> their important!
Nov 24 04:34:16 <halfhalo> @ means godlike
Nov 24 04:34:21 <destinal> http://webos.pastebin.com/VaEL4mWG
Nov 24 04:34:25 <Shaikh> Ohhh haha nice
Nov 24 04:35:05 <destinal> #
Nov 24 04:35:07 <destinal> ioctl(11, 0xc01c670c, 0x9ebbd2b4)       = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
Nov 24 04:35:14 <destinal> what's ioctl 11?
Nov 24 04:35:36 <jacques> does that "bad address" mean the address of the ioctl args?
Nov 24 04:35:43 <destinal> egaudet: can you strace your lunasysmgr also to confirm you get the same one?
Nov 24 04:36:10 <jacques> destinal, ioctl numbers aren't standardized are they?
Nov 24 04:36:56 <destinal> jacques: all I know is:
Nov 24 04:37:00 <destinal> static struct file_operations pvrsrv_fops = {
Nov 24 04:37:02 <destinal>         .owner=THIS_MODULE,
Nov 24 04:37:03 <destinal>         .unlocked_ioctl=PVRSRV_BridgeDispatchKM,
Nov 24 04:37:05 <destinal> etc
Nov 24 04:37:08 <dtzWill> the first parameter is the fd right?
Nov 24 04:37:35 <dtzWill> and googling 0xc01c670c ioctl and the resulting failures suggested a driver/firmware mismatch lats time we looked into it iirc.
Nov 24 04:37:57 <jacques> dtzWill, yeah I think you're right
Nov 24 04:38:15 <destinal> why's it trying to open #
Nov 24 04:38:16 <destinal> open("/etc/powervr.ini", O_RDONLY)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Nov 24 04:38:17 <jacques> int ioctl(int fildes, int request, ... /* arg */);
Nov 24 04:38:18 <destinal> anyway?
Nov 24 04:38:56 <destinal> yeah 11 is #
Nov 24 04:38:57 <jacques> destinal, maybe you need that file ?
Nov 24 04:38:58 <destinal> open("/dev/pvrsrvkm", O_RDWR)           = 11
Nov 24 04:38:59 <destinal> in this case
Nov 24 04:39:21 <jacques> does 2.0 image have /etc/powervr.ini ?
Nov 24 04:39:24 <destinal> rwhitby: does your pre2 have a /etc/powervr.ini on it?
Nov 24 04:39:59 <destinal> jacques: it's not always just about what's in the doctor these days, the installer may modify things
Nov 24 04:40:13 <jacques> (it seems to be non-immediately-fatal anyway)
Nov 24 04:41:04 <jacques> if it is a driver/firmware mismatch, I wonder where he firmware comes from
Nov 24 04:41:29 <jacques> is it embedded in a driver?
Nov 24 04:42:53 <rwhitby> destinal: no /etc/powervr.ini
Nov 24 04:43:08 <dtzWill> was it in /lib/firmware? I forget
Nov 24 04:43:08 <destinal> ok, must be optional
Nov 24 04:43:27 <dtzWill> also i encourage you to google that 2nd parameter and the results were on the first page or so
Nov 24 04:43:32 <dtzWill> maybe i misinterpreted or something
Nov 24 04:43:40 <jacques> it could be in /lib/firmware - that would be the proper place
Nov 24 04:43:42 <dtzWill> and/or might be useful to have more people review it, etc
Nov 24 04:44:28 <egaudet> ioctl(11, 0xc01c670c, 0x9ec75234)       = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
Nov 24 04:45:48 <rwhitby> jacques: http://webos.pastebin.com/3XHunYQy <- /lib/firmware
Nov 24 04:46:04 <destinal> http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/49415-caprice32-opengl-es-2-0/
Nov 24 04:46:26 <dtzWill> destinal: that was the primary one yes, ty.
Nov 24 04:46:39 <jacques> googling "ioctl 0xc01c670c" returns 9 hits (more than I expected ;-)
Nov 24 04:47:19 <dtzWill> usefully they all seemed related iirc, or more related than one would hope for googling what happens to get the int representation of some ioctl for some random system :D
Nov 24 04:48:05 <egaudet> well we have the code for pvrsrvkm
Nov 24 04:48:41 <dtzWill> oh sweet deals, i somehow missed that. i for some reason thought the source on opensource was a piece of it, not enough to actually see this call.
Nov 24 04:48:57 <dtzWill> quick someone build a debug version and see if that does anything useful :D
Nov 24 04:49:07 * dtzWill pretends someone will listen to him
Nov 24 04:49:09 <dtzWill> :P
Nov 24 04:49:25 <jacques> that is an interesting thread; talks about kernel being built against matching version of the drivers
Nov 24 04:49:34 <destinal> egaudet built and is running the version he built, but yeah, debug sounds useful :)
Nov 24 04:49:52 <dtzWill> destinal: oh nice! I maen errr, egaudet oh nice! ;)
Nov 24 04:52:43 <destinal> dtzWill: right, some of the irc logs others had about this talk about running pvr init
Nov 24 04:53:05 <destinal> maybe egaudet should build that binary fresh and try running it
Nov 24 04:53:55 <destinal> dtzWill: I forget now the name of the binary actually but something like that
Nov 24 04:55:22 <egaudet> what binary?
Nov 24 04:56:54 <destinal> egaudet: there's some shell script called pvr-init and tbh I'm not sure if it has specific firmware loading binaries or whatever in it
Nov 24 04:57:13 <rwhitby> it's /usr/bin/pvrsrvinit
Nov 24 04:57:28 <rwhitby> from /etc/init.d/rc.pvr
Nov 24 04:57:36 <jacques> egaudet, did you build omap3430_linux/  or omap3630_linux/ ?
Nov 24 04:57:44 <dtzWill> rwhitby: yes, that's the one. ty :D
Nov 24 04:57:52 <jacques> (I assume omap3430_linux)
Nov 24 04:58:58 <jacques> they have different configs for -DSGX_CORE_REV
Nov 24 04:59:44 <egaudet> yeah jacques 3430
Nov 24 05:00:18 <egaudet> I've built the tisgxgfx and dspbridge modules from source
Nov 24 05:00:45 <jacques> egaudet, and you are using the sgx drivers from 2.0 ?
Nov 24 05:00:49 <egaudet> ok debug gave me some info I think
Nov 24 05:00:53 <egaudet> [   55.500000] PVR_K:(Error): BridgedDispatchKM: Initialisation failed.  Driver unusable. [3307, services4/srvkm/bridged/bridged_pvr_bridge.c]
Nov 24 05:01:55 * NuttyBunny greets everyone.
Nov 24 05:01:59 <dtzWill> the plot thickens!
Nov 24 05:02:07 <rwhitby> g'day NuttyBunny
Nov 24 05:02:27 <destinal> egaudet: interesting, this TI thread mentions a test script -- http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/447/t/40515.aspx
Nov 24 05:02:46 <destinal> gfx_check.sh
Nov 24 05:03:38 <destinal> egaudet: also can you pastebin your log?
Nov 24 05:03:52 <NuttyBunny> Hi Rod, good thing you got home fine :D   Hey, I just read the news, and my Pre+ hasn't arrived yet to help :(
Nov 24 05:05:49 <egaudet> destinal, which log
Nov 24 05:06:18 <egaudet> [   16.820000] PVR_K: (FAIL) SGXInit: Mismatch in client-side and KM driver build options; extra options present in KM: (0x1). Please check sgx_options.h
Nov 24 05:06:36 <dtzWill> egaudet: nice find!
Nov 24 05:06:56 <jacques> yes, nice
Nov 24 05:07:08 <egaudet> well that's expected with debug I think
Nov 24 05:07:22 <egaudet> [   16.820000] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVFinaliseSystem: Failed PVRSRVDevInitCompatCheck call (device index: 0) [421, services4/srvkm/common/pvrsrv.c]
Nov 24 05:07:25 <egaudet> [   16.820000] PVR_K:(Error): BridgedDispatchKM: Initialisation failed.  Driver unusable. [3307, services4/srvkm/bridged/bridged_pvr_bridge.c]
Nov 24 05:11:32 <destinal> egaudet: this is the omap35x ddk,  is that bad?  is it compatible with 3430?
Nov 24 05:12:19 <destinal> err nevermind it supports 3430 it seem
Nov 24 05:12:20 <destinal> s
Nov 24 05:12:44 <jacques> I think 34xx and 35xx differ only in packaging
Nov 24 05:12:53 <jacques> or districution channel ...
Nov 24 05:12:57 <jacques> distribution
Nov 24 05:13:46 * scoutcamper points at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet
Nov 24 05:21:49 <scoutcamper> .\/me says Palm Pad(or webos toaster) plus webos 2.0 needs http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet .
Nov 24 05:22:40 <scoutcamper> s/.\/
Nov 24 05:22:49 <scoutcamper> darn
Nov 24 05:41:47 <egaudet>  PVR_K: (FAIL) SGXInit: Incompatible HW core rev (10201) and SW core rev (10205).
Nov 24 05:42:55 <rwhitby> egaudet: interesting
Nov 24 05:42:58 <jacques> egaudet, aha, that looks like what I saw before
Nov 24 05:43:12 <rwhitby> egaudet: 3430 vs 3630 ?
Nov 24 05:43:49 <egaudet> well I'm building the 3430 software
Nov 24 05:44:07 <jacques> diff eurasiacon/build/linux/omap3430_linux/makefile.core eurasiacon/build/linux/omap3630_linux/makefile.core
Nov 24 05:44:16 <jacques> < CORE += -DSGX_CORE_REV=121
Nov 24 05:44:23 <jacques> > CORE += -DSGX_CORE_REV=125
Nov 24 05:49:28 <egaudet> hmm where is it getting sw core rev
Nov 24 05:52:11 <jacques> SW core rev may be built into the client drivers?
Nov 24 05:52:45 <egaudet> hmm looks like it is using services4/system/omap3 and not services4/system/omap3430
Nov 24 05:54:05 <egaudet> what does notdir do in makefile
Nov 24 05:54:08 <egaudet> $(notdir ...)
Nov 24 05:54:41 <jacques> that sounds like a rwhitby question :-)
Nov 24 05:55:29 <rwhitby> Extracts all but the directory-part of each file name
Nov 24 05:55:43 <rwhitby> it's like basename on a list
Nov 24 05:57:36 <egaudet> hmm may have found it
Nov 24 06:01:10 * scoutcamper watches his irc window with anticipation of a win :D
Nov 24 06:01:30 <Suruat> hello anyone here?
Nov 24 06:01:39 <scoutcamper> Suruat, yes
Nov 24 06:01:40 <ka6sox> lets see...ypu
Nov 24 06:01:43 <ka6sox> er yup
Nov 24 06:01:53 <Suruat> sweet!!!
Nov 24 06:01:54 <egaudet> hmm nope
Nov 24 06:02:11 <scoutcamper> egaudet, u arent here or it didnt work?
Nov 24 06:02:19 <Suruat> I have not used IRC for like 7 months
Nov 24 06:02:22 <egaudet> didn't work
Nov 24 06:02:38 <scoutcamper> egaudet, :(
Nov 24 06:03:14 <dgathright> Doing some writing and want to make sure I have some terminology down correctly.  Is it fair to call Luna the webOS window manager?
Nov 24 06:03:50 <rwhitby> dgathright: close enough for non-technical folk
Nov 24 06:04:07 <dgathright> And really, it's just a chromeless Webkit, right?
Nov 24 06:04:36 * NuttyBunny takes out his matraca... Go Team Go! :D
Nov 24 06:05:14 <ka6sox> egaudet, what module is giving you fits?
Nov 24 06:05:24 <egaudet> pvrsrvkm
Nov 24 06:05:46 <egaudet> I -think- this is our barrier to frankendoctor
Nov 24 06:05:50 <oil> each card is like a tab in a browser
Nov 24 06:09:01 <ka6sox> it looks like the beagleboard folks have had some success..but against 2.6.27
Nov 24 06:14:17 <oil> quit: false, PuffTheMagic should look into that in wirc
Nov 24 06:15:12 <oil> it happens when the connection is lost, like being on irc on a sprint pre and getting a phone call
Nov 24 06:15:32 <oil> i can't find it anywhere in mojo, so its got to be in the plugin
Nov 24 06:15:36 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Nov 24 06:15:44 <oil> * Suruat has quit (Quit: false)
Nov 24 06:15:49 <oil> it sends "false"
Nov 24 06:16:02 <oil> the gui even gets it
Nov 24 06:16:14 <PuffTheMagic> that could be frenode sending it not the client
Nov 24 06:16:54 <oil> i never see it with any other client :/
Nov 24 06:18:03 <PuffTheMagic> i thought we fixed this
Nov 24 06:18:52 <oil> like i said, its not in mojo
Nov 24 06:19:27 <rwhitby> hmm - mojodb partition is actually 144MB
Nov 24 06:19:55 <PuffTheMagic> oil, well its isnt really a bug as much as a lack of some lame default
Nov 24 06:20:03 <oil> ok
Nov 24 06:20:06 <oil> sorry for saying its a bug
Nov 24 06:20:12 <oil> it would be nice if the lame default was changed though
Nov 24 06:20:45 <oil> or allow the lame default to be set by the gui
Nov 24 06:21:02 <rwhitby> then the gui can have it's own lame default :)
Nov 24 06:21:07 <oil> right
Nov 24 06:21:18 <oil> or use the values we already have a preference for
Nov 24 06:23:03 <PuffTheMagic> well this sounds like in the C code when i parse the json from the gui
Nov 24 06:23:20 <PuffTheMagic> i create empty vars to store the to be parsed value
Nov 24 06:23:24 <PuffTheMagic> so if its still false
Nov 24 06:23:32 <oil> like i said, its not coming from the gui :/
Nov 24 06:23:34 <PuffTheMagic> then the gui is sending the wrong key most likely
Nov 24 06:23:41 <PuffTheMagic> well it coming from C
Nov 24 06:23:51 * halfhalo blames oil
Nov 24 06:23:54 <PuffTheMagic> because its not getting the right json pair from mojo
Nov 24 06:24:06 <PuffTheMagic> so its both places issues really
Nov 24 06:24:10 <PuffTheMagic> and/or both places fix
Nov 24 06:24:10 <ka6sox> poor oil...its not from him but he is still getting blamed
Nov 24 06:24:21 <oil> its impossible for me to have discussions anymore :/
Nov 24 06:24:30 <ka6sox> no kidding!
Nov 24 06:24:33 <PuffTheMagic> im not saying it oils fault
Nov 24 06:24:52 <PuffTheMagic> just that its most likely equally mojo and C's fault
Nov 24 06:24:54 * ka6sox frames this : <PuffTheMagic>	im not saying it oils fault
Nov 24 06:24:59 <halfhalo> Actually, I though I gave oil a patch to fix it, so I am blaming him :p
Nov 24 06:25:08 <oil> its not from the gui...
Nov 24 06:25:25 <ka6sox> thats a signoff message?
Nov 24 06:25:28 <oil> should i keep saying it?
Nov 24 06:25:40 <ka6sox> <oil>	its not from the gui...
Nov 24 06:25:40 <scoutcamper> ~oil
Nov 24 06:25:41 <infobot> well, oil is the breaker of wirc
Nov 24 06:25:41 <ka6sox> <oil>	its not from the gui...
Nov 24 06:25:42 <ka6sox> <oil>	its not from the gui...
Nov 24 06:25:43 <ka6sox> <oil>	its not from the gui...
Nov 24 06:25:53 <ka6sox> there I have said it.
Nov 24 06:25:54 <egaudet> QGestureManager::deliverEvent: could not find the target for gesture
Nov 24 06:25:56 <mugen-> oh god... what have i walked into
Nov 24 06:25:56 <ka6sox> (ofor him)
Nov 24 06:26:04 <PuffTheMagic> oil, yes the gui is not sending "false"... but if C is expecting part_msg:"value" and mojo is sending part_message:"value" where is the issue?
Nov 24 06:26:17 <oil> the part is not coming from the gui!
Nov 24 06:26:33 <ka6sox> there is an echo in here.
Nov 24 06:26:35 * halfhalo hasnt been paying attention since he is watching tv
Nov 24 06:26:40 <oil> its not initiated by the gui in any way
Nov 24 06:26:43 <scoutcamper> ~oil
Nov 24 06:26:44 <infobot> oil is, like, the breaker of wirc
Nov 24 06:26:53 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Nov 24 06:26:55 <mugen-> haha
Nov 24 06:27:01 <scoutcamper> :D
Nov 24 06:27:05 <rwhitby> egaudet: you're further?
Nov 24 06:27:18 <ka6sox> oil, that sounds like the C app not knowing how to deal with NO signoff message
Nov 24 06:27:33 <oil> it happens when the conenction to the netwrok is lost
Nov 24 06:27:43 <oil> ive seen it when i get a call while wircing over 3g
Nov 24 06:27:48 <scoutcamper> oil, make a boom, action time plugin for wirc :D
Nov 24 06:27:54 <mugen-> can't we all just get along
Nov 24 06:27:58 <egaudet> rwhitby, well I removed the check for the rev and it stopped giving us those errors but it clearly is not right.  though luna doesn't crash
Nov 24 06:28:04 * halfhalo has a habit of blaming oil then right after coming back and saying wirc the best mobile irc.  Because it is.  And android irc sucks
Nov 24 06:28:10 <egaudet> it's not drawing anything
Nov 24 06:28:12 <oil> it NEVER, i repeat, NEVER happens when the gui intiiates the part or quit
Nov 24 06:28:20 <ka6sox> oil, where aer we seeing that message.
Nov 24 06:28:21 <Tibfib> but it's always oil's fault.
Nov 24 06:29:07 <ka6sox> wierd...have we seen it on any other network? or only on freenode?
Nov 24 06:29:19 <oil> im never on another network
Nov 24 06:29:34 * rwhitby is over the "it's oil's fault" thing
Nov 24 06:29:53 <ka6sox> okay, I'll have to try it on my own network.
Nov 24 06:29:59 <ka6sox> after I get a pre2
Nov 24 06:30:11 * halfhalo even admits its getting old
Nov 24 06:30:26 <oil> the plugin even sends the quit: false message to the gui when it happens
Nov 24 06:30:36 <oil> i saw "oil has quit: false" in the channel
Nov 24 06:30:42 <oil> in wirc
Nov 24 06:31:36 <halfhalo> If I knew anyc I would totally look
Nov 24 06:31:38 <ka6sox> everything after quit: is the signoff message, usually from the client
Nov 24 06:32:02 <oil> the gui isn't initiating the quit though
Nov 24 06:32:24 * oil doesnt know why he bothers trying to get anything done anymore :/
Nov 24 06:32:25 * oil bbl
Nov 24 06:32:33 <mugen-> how is it that a room full of developers are arguing over what or what it doesn't do
Nov 24 06:32:46 <SineOt> mugen-: magic
Nov 24 06:32:55 <mugen-> i don't buy it :P
Nov 24 06:32:58 <scoutcamper> mugen-, because we all know its oil s fault
Nov 24 06:33:09 <mugen-> geez, give the guy a break
Nov 24 06:33:58 * halfhalo imposes a ban on the blaming of oil
Nov 24 06:34:09 * SineOt signs off and seconds said ban
Nov 24 06:34:56 * scoutcamper says its just a quit message, and aggrees its not oil s fault, and its a quit message, not the Apocalypse
Nov 24 06:36:00 <Suruat> Is it possible to stay signed into a single palm profile from multiple devices?
Nov 24 06:36:21 <SineOt> Suruat: no, whatever other devices you have will wipe themselves when you log into a new device
Nov 24 06:37:02 <PuffTheMagic> the problem is i either hardcode a quit message
Nov 24 06:37:22 <PuffTheMagic> or i pass the output of the json parser right into the function
Nov 24 06:37:26 <scoutcamper> PuffTheMagic, just make it say WIRC
Nov 24 06:37:38 <SineOt> or say "Oops, got a call"
Nov 24 06:37:41 <PuffTheMagic> scoutcamper, if i knew where it was coming from i could
Nov 24 06:37:48 <scoutcamper> or boom, action time
Nov 24 06:38:11 <PuffTheMagic> like i said, i dont see a place where a temp var is use that initialized to 0 or false
Nov 24 06:38:47 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, its probabably a filler because there isn't *any* message.
Nov 24 06:38:51 <ka6sox> its NULL.
Nov 24 06:39:32 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, that would only happen if the gui didnt send anything
Nov 24 06:39:43 <PuffTheMagic> every place i look i see a hardcoded default
Nov 24 06:39:57 <ka6sox> right...like when it abends by disconnecting
Nov 24 06:40:58 <PuffTheMagic> irc_cmd_quit(servers[i].session, "wIRC closed");
Nov 24 06:41:26 <PuffTheMagic> how am i supposed to set a message when there is a timeout and the server does the disconnecting
Nov 24 06:41:51 <ka6sox> what we need to see is to capture what the last message from the server is.
Nov 24 06:42:04 <scoutcamper> PuffTheMagic, hard code it, then post on the wiki to tell others how to change it
Nov 24 06:42:19 <SineOt> if the server was doing the disconnecting I don't think it'd be Quit: false... wouldn't it be listed as a Ping time: 265 or Connection Closed by Peer?
Nov 24 06:42:22 <PuffTheMagic> scoutcamper, HARD CODE IT WHERE?
Nov 24 06:42:35 <PuffTheMagic> go look at the code
Nov 24 06:42:42 * scoutcamper goes to look
Nov 24 06:43:39 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, if the gui isn't sending it and the C isn't sending it then we need the last thing that the server sent you.
Nov 24 06:44:12 <ka6sox> remind me not to get fort worth, charter cable service
Nov 24 06:44:26 <scoutcamper> PuffTheMagic, in mirc it is alias quit {
Nov 24 06:44:26 <scoutcamper>   if ($isid) return what do you need? anything
Nov 24 06:44:26 <scoutcamper>   !quit $1-
Nov 24 06:44:26 <scoutcamper> }
Nov 24 06:44:40 <PuffTheMagic> look at wIRC code
Nov 24 06:44:41 <PuffTheMagic> not mirc
Nov 24 06:44:49 <PuffTheMagic> :/
Nov 24 06:44:56 <Suruat> does anyone know why I keep getting diconnected? (Suruat quit: false)
Nov 24 06:45:21 <scoutcamper> PuffTheMagic, i know, im looking for reference
Nov 24 06:45:22 <PuffTheMagic> Suruat, your connection sucks?
Nov 24 06:45:28 <ka6sox> Suruat, that has been the subject of discussion for the last hour.
Nov 24 06:45:55 <PuffTheMagic> Suruat, are u using someone elses nick an are the ghosting u?
Nov 24 06:45:57 <Suruat> @PuffTheMagic LOL maybe
Nov 24 06:46:30 <Suruat> @Ka6sox hmm sux
Nov 24 06:46:50 <PuffTheMagic> Suruat, is your current nick registered to you?
Nov 24 06:47:09 <scoutcamper> Suruat, r u getting phone calls?
Nov 24 06:47:22 <mugen-> Suruat, I know what you did last summer...
Nov 24 06:47:48 <scoutcamper> PuffTheMagic, i give up ...
Nov 24 06:48:27 * scoutcamper has limited knowledge of C, but is learning more as fast as he can
Nov 24 06:49:12 <mugen-> not fast enough damnit!
Nov 24 06:49:15 <mugen->  :) jk
Nov 24 06:49:15 <Suruat> *nice
Nov 24 06:51:00 <mugen-> i'm looking at all the states north of me... god i'd hate to be up there right now
Nov 24 06:51:09 <mugen-> even seattle is getting nailed... 15 degree
Nov 24 06:51:12 <mugen-> degrees
Nov 24 06:53:46 <mugen-> maybe some bash.org quotes will cheer everyone up
Nov 24 07:01:08 <egaudet> night
Nov 24 07:01:20 <mugen-> nn
Nov 24 07:01:28 <scoutcamper> egaudet, good luck on franken doc tommorow
Nov 24 07:01:45 <ka6sox> nite
Nov 24 07:14:23 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 24 07:14:25 <PuffTheMagic> 2df74121 (Ryan Hope   2010-06-03 20:17:07 -0400  554)   plugin.cmd_quit(servers.getServerArrayKey(this.id), false);
Nov 24 07:14:31 <PuffTheMagic> ^^^ git blame says it was my fault
Nov 24 07:14:39 <PuffTheMagic> but it was in the mojo ;)
Nov 24 07:15:09 <oil> lol
Nov 24 07:15:53 <PuffTheMagic> so that prob should not use the normal part message from the cookie prefs
Nov 24 07:15:59 <PuffTheMagic> but
Nov 24 07:16:15 <PuffTheMagic> why is the server getting the message if they are "disrupted"
Nov 24 07:18:19 <mugen-> alright... so i came in late to the discussion... i'm checking out the code right now
Nov 24 07:18:44 <PuffTheMagic> we found where the problem is
Nov 24 07:18:51 <PuffTheMagic> changing the message is easy
Nov 24 07:19:01 <PuffTheMagic> but the real bug is why the message is being sent
Nov 24 07:19:26 <PuffTheMagic> its coming from code where we detect if the connection has dropped
Nov 24 07:19:31 <PuffTheMagic> or if the IP has changed
Nov 24 07:19:42 <mugen-> k
Nov 24 07:19:46 <swisstomcat> does wIRC work on 2.0.1?
Nov 24 07:19:50 <PuffTheMagic> so maybe the threshold for timeout is not longenough
Nov 24 07:19:55 <oil> it works on 2.0, dont see why it wouldn't work on .1
Nov 24 07:19:57 <PuffTheMagic> swisstomcat, JTops says it does
Nov 24 07:20:10 <swisstomcat> cool, i'll test it
Nov 24 07:20:33 <mugen-> how long is the timeout right now?
Nov 24 07:20:55 <mugen-> sorry... i'm up to speed in the code yet
Nov 24 07:21:59 <PuffTheMagic> ahh
Nov 24 07:22:07 <PuffTheMagic> we dont have a threshold set actually
Nov 24 07:22:13 <PuffTheMagic> as soon as we get an event
Nov 24 07:22:14 <PuffTheMagic> connectionInfo.isInternetConnectionAvailable
Nov 24 07:22:18 <PuffTheMagic> !connectionInfo.isInternetConnectionAvailable
Nov 24 07:22:30 <PuffTheMagic> we send the disrupted signal
Nov 24 07:22:45 <PuffTheMagic> so we should prob use a timer or ometing
Nov 24 07:22:57 <PuffTheMagic> and give it a chance to comeback with the old IP
Nov 24 07:23:12 <halfhalo> 255 seconds?
Nov 24 07:23:36 <PuffTheMagic> we used to use a timer it looks like
Nov 24 07:23:38 <mugen-> give it 3 tries at exponential timeout periods
Nov 24 07:23:40 <PuffTheMagic> but i commented that out
Nov 24 07:23:49 <PuffTheMagic> and simplified it
Nov 24 07:24:01 <PuffTheMagic> because it was not working right
Nov 24 07:24:02 <mugen-> start at 60s and scale it
Nov 24 07:24:08 <PuffTheMagic> no
Nov 24 07:24:15 <PuffTheMagic> just gonna add a prefs option for it
Nov 24 07:24:19 <PuffTheMagic> and let users pickw hat they want
Nov 24 07:24:34 <mugen-> it's such an irrelevant option tho :P
Nov 24 07:25:00 <PuffTheMagic> so then most people will never need to change what ever default i put in there
Nov 24 07:25:11 <PuffTheMagic> no need to make some crazy adaptive algo to do this
Nov 24 07:25:18 <PuffTheMagic> based on nothing
Nov 24 07:25:18 <Gollyzila> May I ask what you guys are working on right now?
Nov 24 07:25:28 <PuffTheMagic> when  an arbitrary value based on nothing is easier
Nov 24 07:25:31 <mugen-> crazy adaptive algo?
Nov 24 07:25:33 <mugen-> lol
Nov 24 07:26:09 <PuffTheMagic> Gollyzila, an oversight in wirc
Nov 24 07:26:45 <Gollyzila> Okee dokee, thanks.
Nov 24 07:34:39 <PuffTheMagic> oil, does JS have mutexes?
Nov 24 07:34:48 <PuffTheMagic> or a way to create locks and prevent races?
Nov 24 07:35:28 <oil> its single threaded
Nov 24 07:37:47 <oil> hey, its Kyusaku
Nov 24 07:38:09 <Kyusaku> hey oil what's happening
Nov 24 07:38:14 * rwhitby attempts to build a Pre 2 kernel
Nov 24 07:38:17 <oil> not much
Nov 24 07:38:21 <rwhitby> hey Kyusaku
Nov 24 07:39:25 <Kyusaku> hey Rod, I see even the flight back to Australia doesn't phase you for a minute
Nov 24 07:39:49 <rwhitby> sweet, patch applied
Nov 24 07:39:54 <oil> lol
Nov 24 07:41:03 * rwhitby compiles uber-kernel-pre2 on the bus on the way home from work
Nov 24 07:41:10 <oil> haha
Nov 24 07:41:29 <Shaikh> how goes the Franken pre research?
Nov 24 07:41:37 <oil> paused for sleep?
Nov 24 07:42:00 <rwhitby> Shaikh: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt
Nov 24 07:42:11 <Shaikh> Thank you Good Sir!
Nov 24 07:56:03 <Shaikh> "<egaudet> pvrsrvkm Nov 24 06:05:46 <egaudet> I -think- this is our barrier to frankendoctor" Does this mean no more Frankendoctor?
Nov 24 07:56:54 <rwhitby> that's the latest barrier
Nov 24 07:57:40 <SineOt> g'night everyone
Nov 24 07:57:48 <Shaikh> Ahh, does it seem breakable? Or will we have to wait for Palm to release more code?
Nov 24 07:58:29 <rwhitby> no idea
Nov 24 07:58:43 <torchie> what's the barrier to frankendoctor
Nov 24 07:58:45 <torchie> what's goin on
Nov 24 07:59:01 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 24 07:59:05 <Shaikh>  pvrsrvkm is the new barrier
Nov 24 07:59:22 <Shaikh> and the smart folks are working on it
Nov 24 07:59:28 <Shaikh> but
Nov 24 07:59:47 <Shaikh> well I dont know whats going on haha, im here to find out whats going on just like you
Nov 24 07:59:52 <torchie> something to do with the powerVR?
Nov 24 08:01:50 <Shaikh> Rod said he has no idea if/when this barrier can be broken, that worries me a little lol
Nov 24 08:04:08 <dgathright> Someone register isthefrankenprereadyyet.com
Nov 24 08:24:43 <ice8lue> Heyho! the 2.0 kernel source is out? :D
Nov 24 08:26:42 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 08:29:03 <ice8lue> so the frankendoc work can finally be pushed forward?
Nov 24 08:30:35 <swisstomcat> dunno
Nov 24 08:31:36 <ice8lue> xD kk
Nov 24 08:42:55 <Kyusaku> bbl
Nov 24 08:50:39 <MetaView> hi
Nov 24 08:52:34 <swisstomcat> moin
Nov 24 09:15:47 <Shaikh> egaudet, are you here?
Nov 24 09:45:37 <Shaikh> How many people are still active here?
Nov 24 10:36:05 <MetaView> 1
Nov 24 10:36:26 <MetaView> :) there are more
Nov 24 10:36:39 <MetaView> but most of them are sleeping right now
Nov 24 10:37:00 <MetaView> oh, seems me too
Nov 24 10:52:21 <ice8lue> egaudet are you online?
Nov 24 11:03:19 <rwhitby> ~seen egaudet
Nov 24 11:03:21 <infobot> egaudet is currently on #webos-internals (1d 9h 54m 16s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 4h 2m 11s, last said: 'night'.
Nov 24 12:17:36 <swisstomcat> rehi
Nov 24 12:42:14 <shabby> Good Mornin!
Nov 24 12:44:38 <shabby> how is the Frankenpre coming along??
Nov 24 12:46:45 <swisstomcat> dunno
Nov 24 12:48:24 <shabby> well i know about the new barrier, is it weakening? lol. I am sadly quite impatient about webOS 2.0. It has been hyped up way too much lol
Nov 24 12:49:18 <shabby> Also Id like to be considered to test it out if/when you guys need testers haha
Nov 24 13:54:29 <Ice8lue> egaudet are you there?
Nov 24 14:44:19 <raeb> ...frankendoc?
Nov 24 15:04:00 <pcworld> Any progress on FrankenDoctor? I saw kernel source is available now
Nov 24 15:11:53 <Rick_work> They were working on it last night but not done
Nov 24 15:15:16 <pcworld> thanks for info
Nov 24 15:15:20 <Rick_work> there were 360 patches posted in the kernal 2.0 material, and they were packaged differently than palm used to.  Hp has different standards.
Nov 24 15:15:56 <Rick_work> This is not going to be a one-night patch thing.  Expect it to take a bit.  We're talking Godling level hacking here.
Nov 24 15:21:37 <pcworld> But I'm sure they'll get it done! :)
Nov 24 15:25:48 <prewareisawesome> Hopefully they will get it done! (I am assuming your talking about franken pre?) hows it looking?
Nov 24 15:27:45 <pcworld> "<Rick_work> They were working on it last night but not done" "<Rick_work> there were 360 patches posted in the kernal 2.0 material, and they were packaged differently than palm used to. &nbsp;Hp has different standards." "<Rick_work> This is not going to
Nov 24 15:27:45 <pcworld>  be a one-night patch thing. &nbsp;Expect it to take a bit. &nbsp;We're talking Godling level hacking here."
Nov 24 15:28:35 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work, are the new kernel patches broken-out?
Nov 24 15:28:48 <PuffTheMagic> to the contain a series file that can be imported with quilt?
Nov 24 15:30:31 <PuffTheMagic> hmm just 2 patches
Nov 24 15:34:26 <egaudet> morning
Nov 24 15:34:38 <PuffTheMagic> morn
Nov 24 15:34:39 <pcworld> evening ;)
Nov 24 15:34:51 <en0x> morn
Nov 24 15:41:00 <Ice8lue> morning^
Nov 24 15:41:44 <rlopin> Good morning. Has anyone got Navit to work on the Pre2?
Nov 24 15:41:56 <egaudet_work> so I think we'd need to reverse the PVR libs in order for frakenpre to work
Nov 24 15:42:12 <PuffTheMagic> reverse them?
Nov 24 15:42:16 <egaudet_work> specifically I think maybe /usr/lib/libsrv_init.so and /usr/lib/libsrv_um.so
Nov 24 15:42:19 <PuffTheMagic> isnt that in that sgz package?
Nov 24 15:42:32 <egaudet_work> I don't see any client libs in it, I'll look again
Nov 24 15:42:55 <PuffTheMagic> well on the other size of it
Nov 24 15:43:00 <PuffTheMagic> now that we have the kernel patch
Nov 24 15:43:14 <PuffTheMagic> cant we just include the kernel symbols from the new patch into the olderone
Nov 24 15:43:17 <PuffTheMagic> via UK
Nov 24 15:43:19 <PuffTheMagic> or something
Nov 24 15:43:27 <egaudet_work> I've already built a new kernel, new modules etc...
Nov 24 15:43:46 <PuffTheMagic> and whats the issue
Nov 24 15:43:51 <PuffTheMagic> witht hat route
Nov 24 15:43:53 <egaudet_work> which is good because we can get debugging in the pvr kernel module
Nov 24 15:44:11 <egaudet_work> but the userspace libs use a different (newer, for 3630 i guess?) PVR rev
Nov 24 15:44:45 <PuffTheMagic> and they dont work on the old pre?
Nov 24 15:44:59 <egaudet_work> right
Nov 24 15:45:05 <PuffTheMagic> segfault?
Nov 24 15:45:12 <egaudet_work> no
Nov 24 15:45:24 <PuffTheMagic> in what way do they not work
Nov 24 15:45:27 <egaudet_work> the first thing that the pvr km complains about is the rev mismatch
Nov 24 15:45:34 <egaudet_work> 1.2.1 (HW) vs. 1.2.5 (client-side)
Nov 24 15:46:02 <PuffTheMagic> so cant we rebuild the a module and change that to match?
Nov 24 15:46:22 <PuffTheMagic> or hexedit ;)
Nov 24 15:46:47 <egaudet_work> so even if I skip that rev check to get further, nothing draws right.  It tries to draw after luna starts and nothing but a small bar of nothingness at the top
Nov 24 15:47:09 <destinal> egaudet_work: can we get a different version of the ddk?
Nov 24 15:47:30 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work, this is OLD luna running new kernel
Nov 24 15:47:32 <PuffTheMagic> or
Nov 24 15:47:38 <egaudet_work> new everything
Nov 24 15:47:56 <PuffTheMagic> what from 1.4.5 is injected into this imaeg?
Nov 24 15:48:01 <PuffTheMagic> image
Nov 24 15:48:05 <PuffTheMagic> frankenimage
Nov 24 15:48:07 <egaudet_work> destinal: not sure, but do the pre and pre2 have different GPUs?
Nov 24 15:48:10 <PuffTheMagic> it cant all be new
Nov 24 15:48:14 <destinal> egaudet_work: also as a sanity check have you tried building all this stuff and running it in 1.4.5 and trying opengl-es stuff?
Nov 24 15:48:23 <PuffTheMagic> they are the same for all intent and purposes
Nov 24 15:48:52 <destinal> just to make sure there aren't other issues..
Nov 24 15:48:58 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: the built kernel and modules
Nov 24 15:49:00 <egaudet_work> are injected
Nov 24 15:49:53 <egaudet_work> I briefly tried building the omap3630 version of the ddk but it was really late so I may have messed it up
Nov 24 15:50:22 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work, sound like there are some ifdefs that still need to be dealt with in the kernel
Nov 24 15:50:38 <PuffTheMagic> something isnt getting initialized correctly
Nov 24 15:51:08 <PuffTheMagic> or maybe not evenn ifdefs
Nov 24 15:51:13 <PuffTheMagic> it could be runtime conditionals
Nov 24 15:51:44 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic: there are a few places they missed ifdefs, I patched it though and the kernel boots and runs fine
Nov 24 15:52:03 <PuffTheMagic> runs fine till u use the ddx
Nov 24 15:52:35 <egaudet_work> don't think it's a problem with the kernel though
Nov 24 15:52:39 <PuffTheMagic> i guess im brining the dev pre home for thanksgiving
Nov 24 15:53:09 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work, kernel problem or userland is like different sides of same coin
Nov 24 15:53:16 <PuffTheMagic> 1 problem - 2 ways to fix it
Nov 24 15:53:24 <PuffTheMagic> we have source for kernel so that is prob the best way to fix it
Nov 24 15:54:41 <egaudet_work> I don't know what you mean anymore
Nov 24 15:54:55 <destinal> egaudet_work: I think the best way to check the kernel and ddk against a known state is to try it on 1.4.5.
Nov 24 15:54:57 <egaudet_work> it's the module
Nov 24 15:55:30 <egaudet_work> destinal: yeah that's a good idea
Nov 24 15:56:07 <destinal> I can try tonight, though maybe someone will have time before then
Nov 24 15:58:40 <Ice8lue> is it possible to install the new kernel into a runing 1.4.5 like the uberkernel?
Nov 24 15:58:53 <Ice8lue> not now but technically possible
Nov 24 15:58:54 <PuffTheMagic> u wont gain anything from that
Nov 24 16:01:56 <Ice8lue> was just interesting^
Nov 24 16:03:10 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: well, he won't gain anything from it, but it would be a good smoke test for us :)
Nov 24 16:07:50 <Ice8lue> ^^
Nov 24 16:08:36 <destinal> Ice8lue: though at this time we don't need additional victims :)
Nov 24 16:08:49 <Ice8lue> too bad^
Nov 24 16:09:53 <destinal> since we have dev castles it'll be easier to debug locally  -- anyone with kernel hacking or graphics driver experience would be really helpful though.
Nov 24 16:10:46 <Ice8lue> hm yeah...but don't have one of those abillities...
Nov 24 16:12:55 <pcworld> If you got it running on a Pre+, would it complicated to get it running on a Pre-?
Nov 24 16:13:08 <pcworld> *be complicated
Nov 24 16:15:21 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, i will be playing a lil witht his over the weekend
Nov 24 16:15:51 <PuffTheMagic> the testing kernel instructions should enable fbcon by default though
Nov 24 16:16:32 <destinal> pcworld:  Anything we get working on pre should work on pre/pre+  -- AFAIK they're the exact same board with different flash & RAM chips installed
Nov 24 16:17:18 <pcworld> thank you
Nov 24 16:18:15 <hape> rlopin: did you testet Navit on aPre2. Would be interested in the results if you did.
Nov 24 16:18:39 <hape> rlopin: noradtux said it could work as it is an arm7 too
Nov 24 16:20:56 <rlopin> hape: I switched over to #webos to ask the question. In the process of trying to get a response.
Nov 24 16:23:23 <swisstomcat> i can test navit, hape
Nov 24 16:23:39 <hape> rlopin: I do not know of anyone that has tested it. But we can ask somebod to do it
Nov 24 16:23:43 <hape> swisstomcat: ;-) Thnaks
Nov 24 16:24:21 <hape> swisstomcat: How do you got a Pre2 to Autria? Do you was at the the Developer day?
Nov 24 16:24:38 <hape> s/Austria/Swiss/
Nov 24 16:24:40 <swisstomcat> i got one through webos-internals .. developer device
Nov 24 16:24:55 * halfhalo thinks it was money well spent
Nov 24 16:24:57 <Ice8lue> swisstomcat: now i'm jealous^
Nov 24 16:25:13 <en0x> swisstomcat: and u dont develop shit :P
Nov 24 16:25:24 <swisstomcat> halfhalo: i hope i can live up to the expectations :)
Nov 24 16:25:33 <swisstomcat> en0x: hehe .. but i'm propaganda minister
Nov 24 16:25:37 * halfhalo knows swiss will
Nov 24 16:25:37 <en0x> ;]
Nov 24 16:25:39 <hape> swisstomcat: well done. Thanks for testing Navit on it
Nov 24 16:25:51 <swisstomcat> navit installs cleanly
Nov 24 16:26:11 <swisstomcat> en0x: i've just translated govnah to german .. does that count? :)
Nov 24 16:26:31 <halfhalo> See, if I was using webos, I would not find myself in this current predicament when my phone is brokked due to a bad rom flash
Nov 24 16:26:37 <halfhalo> curse you android!
Nov 24 16:26:46 <en0x> swisstomcat: did u use google translate? :P
Nov 24 16:26:55 <swisstomcat> of course
Nov 24 16:27:00 <en0x> swisstomcat: then it does ;D
Nov 24 16:27:24 <Ice8lue> mh juts btw. if there's a need for german translations, i'm in ;)
Nov 24 16:27:24 <swisstomcat> hape: it starts and displays some stuff
Nov 24 16:27:41 <swisstomcat> ice8lue: you can review if i translated it correctly
Nov 24 16:28:24 <Ice8lue> sure =)
Nov 24 16:28:52 <swisstomcat> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=summary
Nov 24 16:29:22 <halfhalo> THIS ROM STUFF CONFUZLES ME!
Nov 24 16:29:30 <swisstomcat> hape: seems it works but i have to download the map data first
Nov 24 16:30:10 <en0x> swisstomcat: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/assistants/main-assistant.js;h=89b28a360fbb7462f42bcd446956b124d080fb0d;hp=4752695d55343aa24e5268a41f69a4c0992520e6;hb=620c39fde06429a4c1b46015efe9fb495574acf0;hpb=3aeeab9b9b8d1b174d313d790e8c0cf001beabd2 how's this different? :S
Nov 24 16:30:33 <swisstomcat> i removed the // :)
Nov 24 16:30:44 <swisstomcat> ask the one who put it there
Nov 24 16:31:16 <en0x> lol
Nov 24 16:31:17 <en0x> ;]
Nov 24 16:31:23 <en0x> epic
Nov 24 16:33:09 <rlopin> hape: I am testing Navit now. I had no GPS inside my house so moved to a window to get a clear line of site to the sku
Nov 24 16:33:14 <rlopin> sky
Nov 24 16:35:32 <rlopin> hape: please go to the #webos channel. I have started an ongoing discussion about Navit on the Pre2 (unlocked, GSM, no SIM)
Nov 24 16:39:17 <PuffTheMagic> navit has never worked for me
Nov 24 16:39:23 <PuffTheMagic> i try it every time there is an update
Nov 24 16:44:21 <en0x> too many wircers here :S
Nov 24 16:48:07 <rlopin> PuffTheMagic: Navit never worked for me on my Pre-minus either. I was hoping things would be better on the Pre2.
Nov 24 16:48:24 <en0x> it worked for me fine
Nov 24 16:48:30 <en0x> but sprint nav is good enough for me
Nov 24 16:49:19 <rlopin> ex0x: Sprint nav is fantastic when you've got good cell coverage. But I was traveling in the boonies and lost cell tower contact. Not a pretty feeling.
Nov 24 16:49:36 <rlopin> No cell tower, no maps.
Nov 24 16:50:13 <rlopin> en0x: Did you download and use a pre-built map (.bin) from OpenStreet?
Nov 24 16:50:22 <en0x> yes
Nov 24 16:51:16 <PuffTheMagic> was that part of the directions that i did not read?
Nov 24 16:51:37 <rlopin> en0x: I did the same for the entire USA. Didn't work. So I generated my own .bin for the NorthEast. Still no luck. Log file says: "PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed
Nov 24 16:51:37 <rlopin> map_binfile:map_binfile_open:Failed to load media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//maps/*.bin'
Nov 24 16:51:37 <rlopin> navit:main_real"
Nov 24 16:51:41 <swisstomcat> you need to download and install the map data
Nov 24 16:51:52 <swisstomcat> hmmm
Nov 24 16:52:05 <PuffTheMagic> that woudl explain things
Nov 24 16:52:15 <PuffTheMagic> but its the maps are free why does it not download them for u
Nov 24 16:52:34 <raeb> its up to you to select how much map data you want to download
Nov 24 16:52:52 <rlopin> WebOS-internals Wiki has instruction on how to download and install maps. I followed the instructions precisely.
Nov 24 16:52:55 <destinal> probably the whole world's map data would be immense :)
Nov 24 16:53:20 <rlopin> It is 3GB, but Pre2 has 16GB so no biggie. I then just downloaded northeast map. Still have issue.
Nov 24 16:53:28 <swisstomcat> hmm
Nov 24 16:53:37 <swisstomcat> i have the map data but the map doesn't show in the main screen
Nov 24 16:53:45 <Loudergood> do you have a gps lock?
Nov 24 16:53:49 <rlopin> swisstomcat: exactly the issue I have
Nov 24 16:53:56 <swisstomcat> how to debug?
Nov 24 16:53:57 <Loudergood> there aren't any roads at 0,0
Nov 24 16:54:04 <rlopin> I just downloaded MapTools out of Preware and it showed a GPS lock within 1-2 minutes
Nov 24 16:54:16 <rlopin> Navit shows the blue dot now -- but no map is rendering underneath it
Nov 24 16:54:24 <swisstomcat> hmm
Nov 24 16:54:43 <Loudergood> I have a verizon phone...so my gps experience has not been pleasant.
Nov 24 16:55:05 <PuffTheMagic> raeb, are u saying that is the app couldnt give us the option to pick how much map data we want?
Nov 24 16:55:42 <raeb> good point
Nov 24 16:55:59 <swisstomcat> you can choose how much data you want in the map builder
Nov 24 16:56:06 <swisstomcat> the swiss map is 148mb
Nov 24 16:56:33 <rlopin> For Navit you have to manually download and drop the map file into the maps folder the Navit app creates on the media internal partition.
Nov 24 16:59:11 <swisstomcat> how can i/we help to debug the "problem" with navit?
Nov 24 17:00:38 <Ice8lue> swisstomcat: there are some lines in the govnah strings i would chande
Nov 24 17:00:42 <Ice8lue> *change
Nov 24 17:00:47 <swisstomcat> go ahead
Nov 24 17:01:02 <Ice8lue> mh just write them here?
Nov 24 17:01:17 <swisstomcat> or shoot me an email, mleut@yahoo.com
Nov 24 17:01:25 <swisstomcat> i was not 100% sure on some terms
Nov 24 17:01:36 <Ice8lue> ok, will mail them to you
Nov 24 17:03:10 <rlopin> Swisstomcat: Here is a screen capture I just took: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25465833@N02/5204071611/
Nov 24 17:08:58 <Ice8lue> u got mail sir^
Nov 24 17:12:33 <Ice8lue> btw, is it possible for everyone to commit to these git sources?
Nov 24 17:19:57 <Ice8lue> that way, i could systematically translate the apps on there
Nov 24 17:42:59 <linuxjacques> anyone recall if verizon blocks port 22 ?
Nov 24 17:43:20 <halfhalo> I don't think so..
Nov 24 17:43:44 <linuxjacques> cool
Nov 24 17:58:03 <rlopin> swisstomcat: was able to make the failed log entry for the map go away by renaming the map from "osm_bbox_-125.4,24.3,-66.5,49.3.bin" to "usa.bin". Now encountered a second error in log file related to some unknown key symbol in the navit.xml file "vehicle_webos:vehicle_webos_open:PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed
Nov 24 17:58:03 <rlopin> navit:main_real:Using '/media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//navit.xml'
Nov 24 17:58:03 <rlopin> graphics_sdl:graphics_sdl_idle:Unknown key sym: e7
Nov 24 17:58:03 <rlopin> navit"
Nov 24 18:09:26 <ryan[WIN]> hm
Nov 24 18:10:26 <rlopin_> .
Nov 24 18:17:45 <destinal> whoa ameng?
Nov 24 18:17:48 <destinal> ~seen ameng
Nov 24 18:17:57 <infobot> ameng <~Administr@221.220.195.208> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 27d 6h 8m 45s ago, saying: ':)'.
Nov 24 19:21:21 <GarthPS> for those under linux intersted about some info about novacom here is what I juste have by mail with an HP/Palm developer relation agent : "The Novacom that’s included in the webOS 2.0 beta SDK in our Early Access program should be able to talk to the Pre 2 from Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X.  You can get access by mailing pdc@palm.com and agreeing to a NDA."
Nov 24 19:24:16 <SineOt> Since there's no Novacom that can talk to a Pre2 in the SFR doctor, right?
Nov 24 19:25:43 <GarthPS> SineOt: not completely! I have been further about this point :)
Nov 24 19:26:00 <SineOt> Er, I mean no novacom for Linux!
Nov 24 19:26:12 <SineOt> There's a Novacom Pre2 for Windows/OSX, but not linux.
Nov 24 19:26:42 <GarthPS> SineOt: underlinux yes. it is dead right know but I succeded to do it under windows xp by manualy extracting the novacom installer and install it, then I was ably to used webos doctor under xp
Nov 24 19:27:36 <GarthPS> SineOt: yeah right
Nov 24 19:40:42 <SineOt> i386, or i386 (1) D:
Nov 24 19:40:45 <SineOt> what is the difference :C
Nov 24 19:57:10 <mugen-> o\ all
Nov 24 20:00:20 <SineOt> hey mugen-
Nov 24 20:01:47 <mugen-> god resident evil afterlife was good :D
Nov 24 20:03:12 <SineOt> you're making me want to go see a movie :B
Nov 24 20:03:18 <SineOt> at the awesome 21+ theater
Nov 24 20:03:25 <destinal> ~seen lemketron
Nov 24 20:03:26 <SineOt> with leather seats and a full bar in the theater lol
Nov 24 20:03:32 <infobot> lemketron <~lemketron@palm-64-28-152-131.palm.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 63d 19h 23m 37s ago, saying: 'wasn't that the first pdk that appeared, before ours?'.
Nov 24 20:08:22 <mugen-> lol
Nov 24 20:08:25 <mugen-> full bar, eh?
Nov 24 20:08:43 <SineOt> yeah, it's pretty nice
Nov 24 20:08:49 <mugen-> where's this at?
Nov 24 20:08:56 <SineOt> Anaheim Garden Walk
Nov 24 20:09:03 <mugen-> ahaa
Nov 24 20:09:23 <SineOt> there's a theater around here that has a bar right across the walk way from it with a good happy hour...
Nov 24 20:09:42 <SineOt> Alpha & Omega 3D while tipsy for free? yessssss
Nov 24 20:20:38 <spdsktr> hey everyone
Nov 24 20:20:42 <SineOt> hey
Nov 24 20:22:11 <spdsktr> so, wanted to report an odd thing on the Franken-Pre for Rod
Nov 24 20:22:31 <spdsktr> we ended up swapping it back, but now the device (which has no catalog access now), is downloading apps on it's own
Nov 24 20:22:33 <swisstomcat> hey james
Nov 24 20:22:41 <spdsktr> hey marcus, missed you last weekend!
Nov 24 20:22:47 <swisstomcat> new apps?
Nov 24 20:23:00 <swisstomcat> yeah, i was bummed too that i couldn't come .. oh well
Nov 24 20:23:00 <spdsktr> Hot Babes, Asian Girls, and AccuWeather
Nov 24 20:23:07 <swisstomcat> odd?
Nov 24 20:23:10 <spdsktr> the first 2 I have never downloaded on any profile and did not know existed
Nov 24 20:23:22 <spdsktr> the latter I have on my Sprint Pre
Nov 24 20:23:23 <swisstomcat> now we know your secret ;)
Nov 24 20:23:36 <spdsktr> tell me about it... but, it is freaking me out actually
Nov 24 20:23:44 <swisstomcat> yeah, really weird
Nov 24 20:23:56 <spdsktr> I mean, it has NO catalog access right now at all, but somehow installing these apps entirely on it's own
Nov 24 20:24:20 <spdsktr> if it had catalog access, I would shrug it off as someone playing with it and accidentally installing, but not possibke
Nov 24 20:24:48 <swisstomcat> hmm
Nov 24 20:25:08 <swisstomcat> messed up install history?
Nov 24 20:25:37 <SineOt> yeah, my guess would be that somewhere along the line the Palm servers got to thinking that you had, at one point, purchased/installed those
Nov 24 20:25:49 <spdsktr> possibly, but never did fully log into my profile on the device
Nov 24 20:26:11 <spdsktr> ended up with a new profile on device, and my original profile was never updated to 2.0
Nov 24 20:26:35 <spdsktr> it did get reset in a sense, as soon as I got home, it said I was logged out of my profile, rebooted and reset (Sprint Pre)
Nov 24 20:26:48 <spdsktr> 2 hours later, did it again and did a complete wipe, but everything back to normal
Nov 24 20:27:02 <swisstomcat> bah, i've seen that message like 3 times already on my dev pixi
Nov 24 20:27:04 <swisstomcat> it sucks
Nov 24 20:27:58 <spdsktr> I wonder if Dieter logged into that profile he created on a diff device and downloaded apps that it is then simultaneously downloading to mine?
Nov 24 20:28:21 <swisstomcat> oh
Nov 24 20:28:43 <swisstomcat> he was using your profile (then new one for the frankenpre2)?
Nov 24 20:28:49 <spdsktr> I had to scamper off for my preso when they created the new profile, so I was not present for that
Nov 24 20:29:35 <spdsktr> and I know dieter used a P|C email for it, and had to know the password -- so maybe he logged into it on his dev Pre 2 he got there?
Nov 24 20:30:31 <oil> :/
Nov 24 20:31:06 <swisstomcat> so we know dieter's secret now :)
Nov 24 20:31:10 <halfhalo> hahahahaha
Nov 24 20:31:11 <spdsktr> lol
Nov 24 20:31:39 <swisstomcat> asian babes, huh
Nov 24 20:32:14 <spdsktr> and hot babes
Nov 24 20:32:40 <spdsktr> I'm worried about my wife seeing them on the device... imagine me trying to explain it having a mind of it's own!
Nov 24 20:33:07 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 20:33:39 <oil> "i swear, it was just a popup"
Nov 24 20:34:00 <spdsktr> lol
Nov 24 20:34:22 <oil> then this shows up in the mail: http://www.sextoy.com/prod_info.php?a=glove&pnum=PD8612-00
Nov 24 20:34:42 <spdsktr> I shot Dieter an email, see if he is using the profile else where. If so, then I can relax knowing they are just linked somehow
Nov 24 20:37:07 <spdsktr> so any internals members need an AT&T Pre for dev? With my new Pre 2, and old SPrint Pre, I have too many devices
Nov 24 20:37:52 <ka6sox> spdsktr, yep...
Nov 24 20:38:10 <SineOt> I'm sitting here waiting for my AT&T Pre to get here, actually. :p
Nov 24 20:38:20 <SineOt> Stupid UPS...
Nov 24 20:38:43 <spdsktr> got it the day before Dev Day, then got my Pre 2 a few days later
Nov 24 20:38:45 <swisstomcat> i also have a gsm pre to give away
Nov 24 20:39:09 <SineOt> (Palm almost sent me two of them, even)
Nov 24 20:39:44 <spdsktr> Got that second email too, like they entirely missed my first one
Nov 24 20:39:54 <spdsktr> but I do know someone who got 2 devices from it
Nov 24 20:40:44 <SineOt> heh
Nov 24 20:41:03 <SineOt> the did miss my two emails originally asking about the dev device program... took almost 3 weeks to hear back :p
Nov 24 20:42:00 * oil has one of each device BUT a pre plus
Nov 24 20:42:18 <SineOt> so wait, you've got a pixi, and a pixi plus, but no pre plus?
Nov 24 20:42:40 <oil> no, no pixi minus
Nov 24 20:42:43 <swisstomcat> pixi plus,2 pre-,pre plus,pre2
Nov 24 20:42:46 <oil> not so good for dev without service
Nov 24 20:43:16 <SineOt> ... oh yeah, huh
Nov 24 20:43:37 <oil> pixi+, two pre- (one is my main phone), and a pre2
Nov 24 20:45:10 <Ice8lue> spdsktr: yeah, really could need one =)
Nov 24 20:45:29 <swisstomcat> ice8lue: you can have my gsm pre-
Nov 24 20:45:43 <swisstomcat> s/can/could
Nov 24 20:45:48 <oil> really could need one?
Nov 24 20:45:52 <Ice8lue> swisstomcat: really? that would be awesome!
Nov 24 20:45:53 <oil> something is wrong with that sentence, lol
Nov 24 20:46:39 <spdsktr> a gsm Pre - eh?
Nov 24 20:46:44 <swisstomcat> yeah
Nov 24 20:47:10 <Ice8lue> the pre- i'm using at the moment is...well it suffered from some dev experiments^
Nov 24 20:47:25 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 24 20:47:37 <swisstomcat> shipping should not be too expensive to germany
Nov 24 20:48:11 <Ice8lue> from swiss? no i think that should be like austria right?
Nov 24 20:49:30 <spdsktr> heh, Dieter said " Can't recall. I might have" o_O
Nov 24 20:50:05 <SineOt> he obviously doesn't want to admit to downloading hot babes and asian girls
Nov 24 20:50:13 <Ice8lue> xD
Nov 24 20:51:10 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 24 20:51:16 <swisstomcat> ice8lue: should be cheap
Nov 24 20:51:45 <Ice8lue> swisstomcat: what do u want for it?
Nov 24 20:51:52 <Ice8lue> btw, did u get the translations?
Nov 24 20:52:06 <swisstomcat> ice8lue: yeah, got them ... i'll update govnah .. thank you
Nov 24 20:52:20 <swisstomcat> ice8lue: i have to check with webos-internals .. are you a member?
Nov 24 20:52:30 <Ice8lue> kk thank you
Nov 24 20:52:36 <Ice8lue> mh no=/
Nov 24 20:53:15 <Ice8lue> but i'd like to be
Nov 24 20:54:27 <summatusmentis> is there a particular way to "join" w-i?
Nov 24 20:56:41 <oil> summatusmentis: do something awesome?
Nov 24 20:56:52 <torchie> initiation ritual
Nov 24 20:57:04 <swisstomcat> blood brotherhood
Nov 24 20:57:04 <oil> its a meritocracy
Nov 24 20:57:15 <summatusmentis> ah, that's sorta what I assumed
Nov 24 20:57:23 <Ice8lue> blood brotherhodd xD
Nov 24 20:57:27 <summatusmentis> I didn't know if there was an official registration thing or whatever
Nov 24 20:57:36 <halfhalo> There is
Nov 24 20:57:41 <oil> there is no formmail or anything xD
Nov 24 20:57:42 <halfhalo> it involves mailing me a check
Nov 24 20:57:55 <halfhalo> and/or cookies
Nov 24 20:58:20 <Breadwinka> mmm cookies
Nov 24 20:58:25 * summatusmentis waits for his precentral cookies to expire, and mails them to halfhalo 
Nov 24 20:58:58 <Ice8lue> could offer warm brownies, baken just seconds ago^
Nov 24 21:01:06 <Breadwinka> ^^^ Jealous
Nov 24 21:01:21 * halfhalo has del taco in his immediate future
Nov 24 21:01:34 <Ice8lue> ;) you're free to check by and get some^
Nov 24 21:15:41 <Ice8lue> may i could join you?
Nov 24 21:25:46 <Ice8lue> yay, i love python. now i can use my pre as a controller for my mediacenter
Nov 24 21:25:56 <Ice8lue> just too bad it doesnt have infrared
Nov 24 21:26:08 <SineOt> what do you use for your media center?
Nov 24 21:26:49 <Ice8lue> i transfered a netbook into a nice little alu case and it's running xbmc now
Nov 24 21:27:36 <SineOt> why not Boxee, why Xbmc?
Nov 24 21:27:56 <Ice8lue> well, i just love the new UI
Nov 24 21:28:23 <Ice8lue> it supports lots of formats, has some nice tools in it
Nov 24 21:29:34 <SineOt> (Boxee is built on XBMC)
Nov 24 21:29:37 <SineOt> how'd you do the controller?
Nov 24 21:30:01 <hape> swisstomcat: Did Navit start on you Pre2?
Nov 24 21:30:24 <Ice8lue> i wrote a plugin in python which acts as a server. the client runs on the pre and sends its commancs via wifi
Nov 24 21:35:04 * Ice8lue is just looking at the boxee page...and my netbook is soooooo lame... ;)
Nov 24 21:35:22 <bloodykill12> does anyone know how to download preware?
Nov 24 21:36:14 <ashi_todd> lol
Nov 24 21:36:46 <halfhalo> still not the record
Nov 24 21:38:43 <Ice8lue> bloodykill12: http://get.preware.org/ download the installer or install the ipk via webos quickinstall
Nov 24 21:38:54 <Ice8lue> oh, he's already off
Nov 24 21:39:07 <swisstomcat> hape: yeah, it did
Nov 24 21:39:37 <swisstomcat> hape: but the map was not displayed
Nov 24 21:43:47 <NuttyBunny> Hi everyone, have I missed anything interesting since this morning? :)
Nov 24 21:44:45 <SineOt> cool
Nov 24 21:45:07 <SineOt> lol... Ice8lue, what netbook is it? I run boxee on mine, it's just your bog standard 1.6ghz Atom chip
Nov 24 21:45:10 <swisstomcat> nuttybunny: nothing interesting .. palmpad aside
Nov 24 21:45:28 <Ice8lue> no its an 1,3GHz atom Z520
Nov 24 21:45:32 <SineOt> has some trouble with 720p but I never expected that to play fine anyways
Nov 24 21:45:32 <Ice8lue> or 570?
Nov 24 21:45:41 <halfhalo> my watch runs faster than that...
Nov 24 21:45:41 <Ice8lue> oh ya^
Nov 24 21:45:43 <SineOt> ah, one of the like ultra low low power Atom chips
Nov 24 21:45:50 <Ice8lue> ya
Nov 24 21:45:57 <Ice8lue> eeepc 1201ha
Nov 24 21:46:06 <NuttyBunny> ok,  checking the log right now.. :) thanks swisstomcat
Nov 24 21:46:29 <swisstomcat> more rumours about the palmpad
Nov 24 21:46:47 <SineOt> I <3 my Wind U100... the one button overclock is nice ;)
Nov 24 21:46:54 <SineOt> bumps it up to 1.93ghz
Nov 24 21:48:46 <Ice8lue> wel...in theory mine does overclocking too^
Nov 24 21:48:54 <SineOt> oil: can I be part of w-i based solely on my preware on drugs theme? XD
Nov 24 21:49:33 <swisstomcat> hehe
Nov 24 21:52:29 <Ice8lue> SineOt: Boxee looks cool =)
Nov 24 21:52:41 <SineOt> yeah, I really like it... it's pretty nifty
Nov 24 21:52:46 <Ice8lue> let's see if i can control that too via that plugin
Nov 24 21:54:08 <SineOt> you should be able to, it's based on xmbc so they should be mostly compatible
Nov 24 21:55:18 <SineOt> I've been thinking about maybe making a Boxee remote if I can figure out how :x
Nov 24 21:55:36 <SineOt> since when I have my Mini hooked up to the TV it's annoying to have a keyboard hooked up
Nov 24 21:55:55 <Ice8lue> i know...had my netbook on TV before
Nov 24 21:56:47 <SineOt> http://developer.boxee.tv/Remote_Control_Interface
Nov 24 21:57:15 <SineOt> I might give it a try later after my dev Pre gets here, since my Pixi lacks wifi
Nov 24 21:58:18 <swisstomcat> goodn8
Nov 24 21:58:47 <daltonj82> I have a question I put in the feed like thw wiki says for the development kernals and it's coming up with errors what's the feed for the development kernals?
Nov 24 21:59:59 <rwhitby> It's on the Testing_Feeds wiki page
Nov 24 22:00:09 <Ice8lue> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Kernel_Testing_Feeds
Nov 24 22:00:14 <Ice8lue> follow these steps
Nov 24 22:00:51 <daltonj82> ok I'll try it again thanks
Nov 24 22:00:55 <Ice8lue> np
Nov 24 22:02:05 <scoutcamper> SineOt, did you finish it? why not send to oil or rwhitby to package into next preware
Nov 24 22:02:24 <SineOt> scoutcamper: not yet no, probably will wrap it up this weekend
Nov 24 22:02:36 <SineOt> going to spend tonight cooking for tomorrow :p
Nov 24 22:02:46 <scoutcamper> :D i dont do that till tommorow :D
Nov 24 22:03:04 <daltonj82> preware.is.awsome.com/ that's the feed I put in and it comes up with a error
Nov 24 22:03:09 <SineOt> we've got a few dishes that can be made ahead of time so it shouldn't really be an issue
Nov 24 22:03:25 <SineOt> saves time for tomorrow to relax :D
Nov 24 22:04:01 <scoutcamper> eh, all my dishes dont take long, could prolly cook the whole thing in 2hrs, except the turkey of course :D
Nov 24 22:04:31 <oil> idk
Nov 24 22:04:32 <oil> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/269202-apps-do-you-want-themed-2.html#post2768325
Nov 24 22:04:39 <oil> that guy is doing a good job too :)
Nov 24 22:05:26 <spdsktr> rwhitby: did you see my notes earlier about the FrankenPre2 side effect?
Nov 24 22:05:59 <SineOt> that looks awesome :<
Nov 24 22:06:07 * SineOt suddenly feels ashamed :<
Nov 24 22:07:30 <Ice8lue> daltonj82: did you reboot the device right after entering that?
Nov 24 22:07:41 <daltonj82> yes
Nov 24 22:08:20 <Ice8lue> thats strange, always worked for me.... which preware version do u use?
Nov 24 22:09:58 <daltonj82> the newest one I just installed it
Nov 24 22:10:10 <Ice8lue> strange...
Nov 24 22:10:14 <egaudet> SineOt, there's a boxee remote for webOS already
Nov 24 22:10:29 <SineOt> there is? man, now I'm double ashamed wtf
Nov 24 22:10:36 <Ice8lue> do you have a pre or pixi?
Nov 24 22:10:51 <egaudet> pre
Nov 24 22:10:55 <SineOt> Pixi, but I'll have a dev Pre later today when UPS decides to show up :p
Nov 24 22:11:02 <daltonj82> pre
Nov 24 22:19:09 <rwhitby> daltonj82: check the name of the feed - it has to match exactly
Nov 24 22:21:20 <scoutcamper> hey PuffTheMagic i discorvered that the quit message must be network specific, it doesnt send flase on synIRC
Nov 24 22:21:41 <scoutcamper> s/flase/false
Nov 24 22:22:24 <simzz> hi
Nov 24 22:22:38 <simzz> i was wondering if the root tutorials out there were correct
Nov 24 22:22:54 <simzz> because they do not look like they are fit for webos 1.45
Nov 24 22:23:01 <simzz> and that is what i run on my pre
Nov 24 22:24:00 <Ice8lue> or try to enter http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/
Nov 24 22:24:20 <simzz_> sorry, my browser just crashed...
Nov 24 22:24:25 <sepi-pre> what's the best way to start a process and communicate with it using stdio on webos? do I need to create a java service for this?
Nov 24 22:25:16 <Ice8lue> simzz: there's no rooting as for android
Nov 24 22:25:23 <Ice8lue> webos is open by default
Nov 24 22:25:33 <simzz_> what about file structure
Nov 24 22:25:44 <simzz_> i know you can plug it in and go to usb mode
Nov 24 22:26:17 <Ice8lue> well you can use novaterm or ssh to connect to the root filesys
Nov 24 22:26:28 <simzz_> is there anything i need to do to my pre to be able to do this
Nov 24 22:26:29 <simzz_> http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/internalz
Nov 24 22:26:45 <Ice8lue> or internalz from the pre itself, yes
Nov 24 22:26:54 <Ice8lue> no you just need preware installed
Nov 24 22:27:00 <simzz_> how would i do that?
Nov 24 22:27:28 <Ice8lue> http://get.preware.org/ download the installer or install the ipk via webos quickinstall
Nov 24 22:27:54 <simzz_> i have installed homebrew apps before, but this one says root is required
Nov 24 22:28:21 <Ice8lue> maybe you have to turn on devmode?
Nov 24 22:28:26 <simzz_> and what is this about? http://www.everythingpre.com/forum/threads/how-to-root-the-pre.17285/ is that just ssh/novcom access
Nov 24 22:28:29 <simzz_> ?
Nov 24 22:29:04 <SineOt> it's all WAY outdated
Nov 24 22:29:06 <SineOt> there is no root
Nov 24 22:29:15 <SineOt> just enable dev mode and everything is fine
Nov 24 22:29:15 <simzz_> ok thanks
Nov 24 22:29:21 <simzz_> one last thing
Nov 24 22:29:42 <simzz_> you are probably biased about preware, but filecoaster also looks cool
Nov 24 22:29:50 <simzz_> it doesn't work though
Nov 24 22:29:57 <simzz_> do you know why?
Nov 24 22:30:06 <SineOt> it's way old and no longer developed? :p
Nov 24 22:30:14 <simzz_> thats what i thought
Nov 24 22:30:24 <Ice8lue> preware is the standard
Nov 24 22:30:25 <Breadwinka> ya preware is pretty much all you need
Nov 24 22:30:32 <Ice8lue> and does all that too, though
Nov 24 22:30:33 <simzz_> but a week ago i tried, and it just showed the loading sign forever
Nov 24 22:30:44 <simzz_> and now it has a timed out message
Nov 24 22:30:49 <Ice8lue> it takes a while to load
Nov 24 22:31:09 <Ice8lue> sometimes it looses connection for me
Nov 24 22:31:10 <SineOt> it's pretty telling when the precoder.net site for Filecoaster takes you to a domain parking page
Nov 24 22:32:03 <simzz_> trying filecaster again...
Nov 24 22:32:09 <simzz_> says
Nov 24 22:32:13 <simzz_> an error occured
Nov 24 22:32:24 <Ice8lue> ya it's outdated
Nov 24 22:32:25 <simzz_> exception: timeout
Nov 24 22:32:33 <SineOt> simzz_: just get preware... preware is already supporting webOS 2.0, filecoaster isn't even working on 1.4.5 apparently
Nov 24 22:32:34 <simzz_> ok thanks
Nov 24 22:32:39 <SineOt> you'll save yourself a lot of headaches
Nov 24 22:32:45 <simzz_> guess i'll just stick to preware
Nov 24 22:33:02 <Ice8lue> right decision^
Nov 24 22:33:08 <simzz_> i have used it before
Nov 24 22:33:15 <simzz_> it was a little hard to use though
Nov 24 22:33:22 <simzz_> not really hard
Nov 24 22:33:29 <simzz_> but unorganized a bit
Nov 24 22:33:40 <Breadwinka> how is it unorganized?
Nov 24 22:34:11 <SineOt> Breadwinka: it's easy to get lost if you don't know exactly what it is you're looking for... but it's basically the same problem as the official app catalog
Nov 24 22:34:48 <simzz_> yeah
Nov 24 22:35:01 <simzz_> its a little cleaner in the official
Nov 24 22:35:16 <simzz_> but preware still is nice, i'll give you credit, its a great app
Nov 24 22:35:46 <SineOt> simzz_: my advice, is just start with the categories and skim around. it all makes sense soon enough, and after you get over the initial hump, it's easier to just look at the new items to keep up to date on what's out there since it's way slower moving than the official app catalog
Nov 24 22:36:18 <simzz_> thanks for the help
Nov 24 22:40:32 <Ice8lue_> ok guys, will go to sleep now (arround midnight over here). gn8 everyone!
Nov 24 22:40:59 <ka6sox-away> nn
Nov 24 23:04:23 <rwhitby> spdsktr: will catch you about franken side in about 20 mins
Nov 24 23:15:29 <spdsktr> rwhitby: sure thing, no biggie, just freaking me out
Nov 24 23:18:55 <egaudet> meh the ddk doesn't work on 1.4.5
Nov 24 23:19:44 <destinal> egaudet: ah, ok, then at least we're clearly Doing Something Wrong.
Nov 24 23:19:47 <destinal> good to know
Nov 24 23:20:19 <destinal> (or the source code is in error or isn't compatible with castle)
Nov 24 23:21:10 <destinal> egaudet: same issue on castle?  and did you try with both palm stock and new source kernel with the new ddk?
Nov 24 23:21:55 <egaudet> I didn't try the new kernel on 1.4.5
Nov 24 23:22:19 <egaudet> I get what seems to be a similar issue but there's less debugging info
Nov 24 23:22:38 <egaudet> I think it skips some init part, there's no libsrv_init.so in 1.4.5 but there is in 2.0
Nov 24 23:24:04 <destinal> maybe we should hit up some of the other open source omap communities to try and learn from their experiences in getting the ddk working.  looks like the beagleboard guys have messed with it, for one.
Nov 24 23:24:20 <destinal> or I guess we could try TI forums..
Nov 24 23:24:44 <rwhitby> spdsktr: ok, can you give me a summary now?
Nov 24 23:24:52 <ka6sox-away> destinal, ya, I was looking last night @ the beagleboard ml's
Nov 24 23:25:17 <spdsktr> the Pre 2 is auto-magically downloading apps on it's own -- same condition it was in when you handed it back to me
Nov 24 23:25:41 <spdsktr> not activated, activation bypassed, no catalog bypass -- yet 3 apps have now installed themselves
Nov 24 23:25:46 <destinal> wow
Nov 24 23:25:47 <destinal> lol
Nov 24 23:25:57 <spdsktr> err, no catalog access
Nov 24 23:26:12 <destinal> spdsktr: which apps?
Nov 24 23:26:28 <spdsktr> Hot Girls, AccuWeather, and Asian Girls
Nov 24 23:26:45 <spdsktr> Hot Girls and Asian girls are not on my profile
Nov 24 23:27:18 <destinal> it would be very interesting to trace the palm update service traffic when this happens. hmm
Nov 24 23:27:20 <rwhitby> spdsktr: oh, I added those to the download queue database to try and get you in trouble with your wife
Nov 24 23:27:32 <rwhitby> j/k
Nov 24 23:27:34 <spdsktr> rwhitby: yeah, thanks for that :P
Nov 24 23:27:54 <spdsktr> I just am trying to figure out HOW to explain to her that my Pre 2 has a mind of it's own
Nov 24 23:28:00 <destinal> spdsktr: your pre2's just expressing its individual tastes.
Nov 24 23:28:16 <spdsktr> destinal: I should take it drinking then, prollya  good wingman
Nov 24 23:28:40 <spdsktr> I asked Dieter if he used that profile you guys created, and yes he thinks he put it on that pre-prod unit, but swears he has not downloaded those apps
Nov 24 23:28:56 <rwhitby> spdsktr: can you open the backup app and see if there is a profile listed in the app menu there
Nov 24 23:29:44 <spdsktr> rwhitby: why yes, there is! idk the password tho
Nov 24 23:30:56 <spdsktr> not listing an email address
Nov 24 23:32:22 <rwhitby> spdsktr: see /msg
Nov 24 23:33:27 <destinal> egaudet: hmm, beagleboard's only $125 on digikey now.  tempted to grab one to work on my low level omap and powervr experience   (and of course to try loading webos on it :) )
Nov 24 23:43:18 <destinal> egaudet: alas, not in stock anywhere right now, it seems.
Nov 24 23:44:58 <rwhitby> wow, Palm listed my presentation before Phil McKinney's: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/11/devdaynyc.html
Nov 24 23:46:12 <rwhitby> So, anyone see the Firesheep port to webOS?  I'm wondering how he's snooping the data.
Nov 24 23:46:41 <rwhitby> http://www.precentral.net/firesheep-ported-webos-now-anyone-pre-can-steal-your-passwords-video
Nov 24 23:47:02 <bhern> 33i did :)
Nov 24 23:48:25 <destinal> bhern: hey!
Nov 24 23:48:33 <destinal> rwhitby: yeah I saw it too but haven't grabbed it yet.   sounds like the wifi chip would have to have monitor mode for this to work, IIRC
Nov 24 23:49:01 <rwhitby> destinal: that's what I thought.  the fso guys have a wifi driver rewrite, but I didn't think they had monitor working yet.
Nov 24 23:49:20 <rwhitby> bhern: g'day
Nov 24 23:52:04 <bhern> i'm curious to tinker with that if anyone does get their hands on it
Nov 24 23:54:37 <rwhitby> bhern: yeah, I'm going to reach out to them to get info, and maybe to get it in Preware with a front-end.  I know that destinal and jhojho are keen to get everything working over SSL only
Nov 24 23:59:17 <bhern> i suspect i know what they're doing but i'd like to see it just the same
Nov 24 23:59:26 <bhern> plus... it'd be a handy tool :)
Nov 25 00:21:30 <destinal> bhern: ah, tool is now released -- http://omoco.de/firesheep/
Nov 25 00:21:46 <destinal> it's node.js based...
Nov 25 00:22:16 <halfhalo> ah
Nov 25 00:22:26 <halfhalo> that would esplain alot
Nov 25 00:23:05 <halfhalo> and I think it would mess up alot on webos2.0 devices
Nov 25 00:24:08 <destinal> halfhalo: what do you mean?  it would be designed for webos 2.0 devices...
Nov 25 00:24:51 <destinal> rwhitby: he specifically mentions he built locally by installing gcc from preware..
Nov 25 00:27:09 <rwhitby> ah, the omoco guy.  I know his work.
Nov 25 00:27:37 <rwhitby> he knows enough to create a front-end too.
Nov 25 00:28:03 <halfhalo> destinal: Because 2.0 devices ship with node, specifically v0.1.102, wheras he is building 0.2.4, which has api changes
Nov 25 00:28:37 <destinal> halfhalo: ah, I didn't realize he built it.
Nov 25 00:29:49 <halfhalo> It would run just fine on pre 1.4.5 devices, but would probably break every application with a node.js service on 2.0
Nov 25 00:31:08 <destinal> rwhitby: what's the be_palm binary though?  no source code reference, is it something out of the box or new?
Nov 25 00:32:55 * halfhalo goes back to writing his node script
Nov 25 00:37:16 <rwhitby> looks new
Nov 25 00:38:48 <rwhitby> it has libpcap.so.0.9 dependency
Nov 25 00:48:24 <jhowirc> I'm wondering too
Nov 25 00:57:39 <rsanchez1> hello
Nov 25 00:59:25 <rsanchez1> has anyone here tried the ubuntu netbook rootfs instead of the debian rootfs?
Nov 25 00:59:37 <rsanchez1> on a pre
Nov 25 01:00:58 <rsanchez1> link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
Nov 25 01:01:38 <rsanchez1> I'm intersted in trying the unity desktop on pre
Nov 25 01:07:41 <sepi> Is it allowed for pdk apps to execv?
Nov 25 01:10:49 <rwhitby> destinal: be_palm seems to be a tcpdump-style exe
Nov 25 01:24:11 <sepi> rwhitby: is imposta a service for starting arbitrary system commands?
Nov 25 01:25:38 <sepi> I'm just investigating a method to communicate between a js app and a native processes stdio
Nov 25 01:26:24 <sepi> I've been planning to write a pdk app that does this and that exposes some functions to js for io with the process
Nov 25 01:28:09 <rsanchez1> I have a hybrid app that downloads a file and writes to disk using fwrite
Nov 25 01:28:19 <rsanchez1> is that what you mean?
Nov 25 01:28:54 <rsanchez1> the js side supplies the url
Nov 25 01:30:22 <rwhitby> sepi: that's not what Impostah is
Nov 25 01:34:55 <rsanchez1> oh wait, you mean that you want the js side to take the plugin's stdout as input, for example?
Nov 25 01:35:23 <sepi> rwhitby: what is it supposed to do? And is there a solution allready to what I am trying to build?
Nov 25 01:35:52 <sepi> like a general dbus service that can simply attach to a process' stdio and forward it
Nov 25 01:35:59 <rwhitby> sepi: hybrid apps are what you need - see the PDK videos from the last two dev days on that subject
Nov 25 01:36:21 <rwhitby> sepi: a service which started arbitrary system commands would be an enourmous security vulnerability
Nov 25 01:36:55 <rwhitby> since a mojo wallpaper app could then send your password database to a russian botnet
Nov 25 01:37:33 <sepi> rwhitby: ok, so my approach using fork/pipe/execlp should be ok
Nov 25 01:37:36 <sepi> ?
Nov 25 01:38:14 <rwhitby> sepi: is your approach to write a hybrid app using the PDK?
Nov 25 01:38:52 <sepi> well actually I wanted to use the webosinternals pdk
Nov 25 01:39:18 <sepi> afaik it's only a different builiding method
Nov 25 01:41:19 <rsanchez1> just follow the guide here: http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK
Nov 25 01:41:23 <egaudet> so definitely looks like the 1.4.5 pvr stuff had a different version of the ddk
Nov 25 01:42:20 <rsanchez1> to build an plugin exe try the doom demo
Nov 25 01:42:22 <egaudet> one of the ioctl's (getmiscinfo) is erroring because the destination buffer is null, which I'll bet is likely due to a change in the structure of the ioctl input parameter
Nov 25 01:43:17 <egaudet> but using the 2.0 /usr/bin/pvrsrvinit and libsrv_*.so libs gets further so I'll keep debugging with that
Nov 25 01:48:52 <sepi> btw, is it normal that the bottom lines of terminal get covered when I have an icon in the lower border of my pre?
Nov 25 01:49:15 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 25 01:49:45 * rwhitby just booted uber-kernel-pre2
Nov 25 01:49:52 <sepi> :)
Nov 25 01:50:27 <sepi> Any plans to port terminal over to widk?
Nov 25 01:50:34 <sepi> and run it fullscreen
Nov 25 01:50:52 <sepi> or just run it fullscreen without porting if that ist possible
Nov 25 01:52:38 <destinal> sepi: I'd like to do terminal as a hybrid app with mojo rendering, but it could also be done as a graphical hybrid app like the spinning shape demo from palm
Nov 25 01:52:53 <destinal> with a mix of SDL + mojo
Nov 25 01:54:03 <rsanchez1> rwhitby: you gonna overclock the pre2?
Nov 25 01:54:52 <rwhitby> rsanchez1: I'm sure someone is going to work on it eventually.  I'm focusing on the other aspects of UberKernel at the moment.
Nov 25 01:55:14 <sepi> rwhitby: so, how is the  pre2 hardware?
Nov 25 01:55:21 <sepi> built quality
Nov 25 01:56:13 <rwhitby> My Palm device build quality has always been good.
Nov 25 01:57:26 <destinal> mine hasn't but only really bad on one device.  (where it had bright spots on the bottom of lcd and the volume button  broke)
Nov 25 01:59:50 <sepi> hmm, I recently hat a problem with the headphone jack switch bein strange. I now cleaned it and it's ok again
Nov 25 02:00:26 <sepi> Anyway, I hope to be able to write a gnugo frontend in the next few days
Nov 25 02:00:35 <sepi> but now I'll grab some sleep
Nov 25 02:00:44 <sepi> bye and thanks for your help
Nov 25 02:04:30 <rsanchez1> I hope to get a pre2 soon
Nov 25 02:04:55 <rsanchez1> couldn't go to dev day, so I have to wait over regular snail mail
Nov 25 02:07:12 <Shaikh> Good evening folks, how goes the Frankenpre research? Broke down that new barrier yet?! :D!?
Nov 25 02:14:37 <destinal> Shaikh: the term is now ambiguous.  2.0 on castle or roadrunner on sprint?
Nov 25 02:15:17 <Shaikh> Castle
Nov 25 02:15:31 <Shaikh> and Roadrunner, I have a castle and my sister has a Roadrunner
Nov 25 02:15:35 <Shaikh> NO wait
Nov 25 02:15:46 <destinal> roadrunner = pre2
Nov 25 02:15:51 <Shaikh> is roadprunner the pixi? lol
Nov 25 02:15:56 <Shaikh> roadrunner*
Nov 25 02:15:58 <destinal> pixie = pixi
Nov 25 02:16:03 <Shaikh> haha alright
Nov 25 02:16:07 <Shaikh> then just castle
Nov 25 02:16:20 <rwhitby> destinal: FrankenPre is 2.0 on castle.  Reverse-Half-FrankenPre is Sprint Pre 2.
Nov 25 02:16:37 <destinal> lol, ok, then I guess it's not ambiguous ;)
Nov 25 02:16:48 <Shaikh> I need the FrankenPre for Castle
Nov 25 02:16:58 <Shaikh> haha
Nov 25 02:17:20 <destinal> Shaikh: egaudet  and others are trying it but the ddk we now have source code for doesn't seem to want to be happy on 1.4.5 or 2.0
Nov 25 02:17:46 <Shaikh> hmmm, is it still powervr?
Nov 25 02:17:54 <destinal> yeah, powervr
Nov 25 02:18:33 <Shaikh> ahhhh sigh
Nov 25 02:18:43 <Shaikh> i was hoping for a thanksgiving Miracle... hehe
Nov 25 02:18:47 <egaudet> I think the userspace tools of 1.4.5 use an older version of the ddk and thus the ioctl failure.  The 2.0 userspace tools are expecting SGX530 rev1.2.5, of which the Pre has SGX530 rev1.2.1
Nov 25 02:18:54 <Shaikh> too bad not everyone in the world has Thanksgiving on the same day
Nov 25 02:19:10 <egaudet> that is my opinion on the matter after debugging
Nov 25 02:19:57 <rwhitby> egaudet: can we swap in the 1.4.5 userspace tools into the 2.0 image ?
Nov 25 02:20:00 <Shaikh> cant you make it lie to the 2.0 userspace tools? lol
Nov 25 02:20:04 <egaudet> I can bypass the versino check with the pre using 2.0 userspace tools and built ddk, but I get up to the following:
Nov 25 02:20:06 <egaudet> [ 1969.730000] PVR_K:(Error): BridgedDispatchKM: PVRSRV_BRIDGE_GET_DEVMEM_HEAPINFO [3305, services4/srvkm/bridged/bridged_pvr_bridge.c]
Nov 25 02:20:06 <egaudet> [ 1969.730000] PVR_K:(Error): GetHandleStructure: Handle index out of range (1628 >= 47) [401, services4/srvkm/common/handle.c]
Nov 25 02:20:06 <egaudet> [ 1969.730000] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVLookupHandle: Error looking up handle (1) [1114, services4/srvkm/common/handle.c]
Nov 25 02:20:13 <destinal> Shaikh: lying doesn't seem to help
Nov 25 02:20:17 <egaudet> sorry should have pastebin
Nov 25 02:20:44 * rwhitby doesn't mind for small pioneering pastes
Nov 25 02:20:46 <egaudet> rwhitby, you mean the 1.4.5 km?
Nov 25 02:21:47 <rwhitby> egaudet: I think I mean 1.4.5 userspace and older ddk version together with Pre SGX520 1.2.1
Nov 25 02:21:52 <rwhitby> 530
Nov 25 02:22:07 <rwhitby> not sure what that means for km
Nov 25 02:22:32 <egaudet> well we  have no source for older ddk, which just builds the km's (kernel modules)
Nov 25 02:23:18 <egaudet> I -think- I tried the 2.0 image with 1.4.5 kernel, modules and userspace but maybe not
Nov 25 02:23:35 <egaudet> wil try that again, I just wont be able to get any debugging info
Nov 25 02:23:43 <destinal> egaudet: I did that too
Nov 25 02:23:52 <destinal> well maybe not the right pvr init binary
Nov 25 02:23:57 <destinal> whatever it is
Nov 25 02:24:35 <egaudet> destinal, yeah the libsrv*'s and pvrinit binary need to match the pvrsrvkm.ko module
Nov 25 02:24:41 <rwhitby> egaudet: yeah, that's what I'm suggesting: 1.4.5 everything, including 1.4.5 pvr init binary manually inserted into 2.0 rootfs
Nov 25 02:33:22 <Shaikh> Did it work?!
Nov 25 02:34:16 <destinal> Shaikh: I think he'd have to try it first :)
Nov 25 02:34:20 <egaudet> it's trenchcoat flashing
Nov 25 02:34:43 <destinal> egaudet: not worried about public indecency charges?
Nov 25 02:35:03 <egaudet> oh I bet it is going to go wrong because 1.4.5 libsrv* doesn't have some symbols that other things like the QT libs need
Nov 25 02:35:05 <egaudet> that's my bet
Nov 25 02:35:08 <destinal> egaudet: http://code.google.com/p/0xdroid/wiki/How_to_Integrate_with_SGX is somewhat interesting, made for the sgx android folks though
Nov 25 02:35:19 <egaudet> destinal, lol
Nov 25 02:35:49 <destinal> http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/ConfigureAndBuild#Install_the_Android_Graphics_SGX_SDK_on_Host_Machine
Nov 25 02:36:25 <Shaikh> in your expert opinion egaudet, do you see any other way other than putting the 1.4.5 stuff into 2.0?
Nov 25 02:37:27 <egaudet> imo it's not going to happen until Palm releases 2.0 to the pre
Nov 25 02:39:12 <Shaikh> sadness!
Nov 25 02:39:13 <egaudet> unless there is code in the 2.0 stuff that can use the 1.2.1 rev that we don' tknow about yet
Nov 25 02:39:31 <Shaikh> well lets hope there is!
Nov 25 02:39:52 <egaudet> assuming it's not too hard for Palm to support 1.2.1 and 1.2.5 at run time it may or may not already be there
Nov 25 02:39:52 <Shaikh> so from everything that you have learned from doing all this, have you guys had any brilliant patch ideas?
Nov 25 02:40:20 <Shaikh> ohh
Nov 25 02:40:44 <Shaikh> why would Palm have to support both?
Nov 25 02:41:10 <Shaikh> sorry if my questions are distracting you from your work haha
Nov 25 02:41:36 <egaudet> the pre2 has 1.2.5 and the pre has 1.2.1
Nov 25 02:41:48 <egaudet> revisions of the SGX530
Nov 25 02:47:52 <Shaikh> well arent they supporting both 1.2.5 and 1.2.1 already?
Nov 25 02:48:33 <egaudet> they are with 2 different webOS versions currently
Nov 25 02:49:29 <egaudet> the libraries in the 2.5 rootfs seem to want to use 1.2.5, our only hope is if that is a runtime decision or something else that we can change IMO  Or I'm missing something else entirely
Nov 25 02:49:37 <egaudet> s/2.5 rootfs/2.0 rootfs/
Nov 25 02:49:37 <infobot> egaudet meant: the libraries in the 2.0 rootfs seem to want to use 1.2.5, our only hope is if that is a runtime decision or something else that we can change IMO  Or I'm missing something else entirely
Nov 25 02:52:55 <Shaikh> well hopefully its the best case scenario and Palm can support both revisions AND its only a runtime decision that can be changed!
Nov 25 02:53:16 <Shaikh> I remember you saying we are very close
Nov 25 02:53:36 <Shaikh> so do you think this will be the last of our troubles?
Nov 25 02:53:39 <rwhitby> I don't remember anyone saying we are very close
Nov 25 02:54:12 <rwhitby> we are as close as we have been at every stage, which is that there are an unknown number of hurdles between here and success.
Nov 25 02:54:47 <egaudet> 1 <= hurdle < infinity
Nov 25 02:55:11 <Shaikh> ahhh, that was just my wishful thinking then :( lol
Nov 25 02:56:24 <Shaikh> but thank you guys! you guys are awesome :) Other than "Boom, Action Time" have you guys made any new kickass patches specifically for 2.0?
Nov 25 02:57:39 <oil> lol
Nov 25 02:57:56 <Shaikh> oh! how about a patch that lets you edit the Boom, Action time to whatever you want! hah
Nov 25 02:58:01 <rwhitby> hey rick-home
Nov 25 02:58:06 <ashi_todd> heh, that will be the first patch i add
Nov 25 02:58:23 <oil> boom action time is just a joke :)
Nov 25 02:58:29 <rick-home> hi ho
Nov 25 02:58:47 <oil> hey rick
Nov 25 02:58:47 <ashi_todd> i know, but a good joke
Nov 25 02:58:52 * rwhitby -> lunch
Nov 25 02:59:06 <rick-home> boom action time should have a settable parameter
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