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Nov 29 03:06:49 * scoutcamper wonders if there is an update on frankendoctor @ oil & egaudet 
Nov 29 03:07:22 * oil hasnt been doing anything with it
Nov 29 03:07:37 <scoutcamper> but has oil been watching :D
Nov 29 03:07:38 * halfhalo plays dramatic music
Nov 29 03:07:50 <oil> .me hasnt seen anything either
Nov 29 03:07:57 <halfhalo> lol
Nov 29 03:08:00 <scoutcamper> :(
Nov 29 03:12:22 <rick-home> scoutcamper  The few notes I've seen this weekend suggest that there are still "issues".
Nov 29 03:13:13 <scoutcamper> rick-home, i wonder what we still neeed
Nov 29 03:13:51 <rick-home> ask rwhitby, destinal, and ka6sox
Nov 29 03:16:13 * scoutcamper pokes those 3 cc @ rwhitby destinal and ka6sox 
Nov 29 03:16:56 * scoutcamper is too used to twitter :(
Nov 29 03:22:16 <scoutcamper> does anyone else ever get a * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). message overnight?
Nov 29 03:22:58 <scoutcamper> i got it like 15 times last night
Nov 29 03:34:24 <ka6sox> scoutcamper, wazzup?
Nov 29 03:34:51 <scoutcamper> ka6sox, any frankendoctor progress? if not, what is still broken?
Nov 29 03:35:22 <ka6sox> I believe that egaudet/destinal were still dealing with libpvr* issues
Nov 29 03:35:45 <scoutcamper> ok
Nov 29 03:36:05 <scoutcamper> also, do you ever get * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). on this server?
Nov 29 03:36:07 <ka6sox> of course this could become moot if palm releases 2.0 for any Pre+/-
Nov 29 03:36:17 <ka6sox> me?
Nov 29 03:36:21 <ka6sox> yes, of course
Nov 29 03:37:00 <scoutcamper> ka6sox, i wonder why? i was looking at my logs(my internet is intermitent) and was wondering what was going on
Nov 29 03:38:05 <ka6sox> scoutcamper, lack of source could be an issue :D
Nov 29 04:26:31 <destinal> scoutcamper: yes, we lack source code for palm's libegl*  libraries.  egaudet actually replaced all the powervr stuff with proper copies from TI's SGX SDK which eliminated the issues we were seeing before but there were new issues that will be rather difficult to get past without reverse engineering I think
Nov 29 04:28:07 <destinal> which given that we'll probably see the first castles officially running 2.0 in less than a week, probably isn't a great investment of time
Nov 29 04:29:05 <SineOt> where'd you come up with the "within a week" number?
Nov 29 04:29:12 <destinal> of course the first doctors might be out a bit after that..
Nov 29 04:30:31 <SineOt> and of course, if it's under NDA, it can't really officially be anything ;o
Nov 29 04:30:37 <destinal> SineOt: precentral had something on their site that was leaked from a carrier about OTA updates being 12/3 or 12/6, I forget
Nov 29 04:31:05 <destinal> not a US carrier but once any one gets a doctor we'll have the files we need
Nov 29 04:31:52 <destinal> s/one/one carrier/
Nov 29 04:31:54 <infobot> destinal meant: not a US carrier but once any one carrier gets a doctor we'll have the files we need
Nov 29 04:40:54 <SineOt> destinal: ah, awesome
Nov 29 04:41:05 <SineOt> I'd love to get it running on my dev pre
Nov 29 04:41:35 <mugen-> http://omnipotent.net/jquery.sparkline/#quickstart
Nov 29 04:41:51 <mugen-> i'm having troubles getting the jscript portion to run...
Nov 29 04:42:08 <SineOt> y'know, wondering if jquery mobile will be a major part of enyo
Nov 29 04:42:43 <mugen-> should theoretically work, right? just controller.get the classtag but it's not finding the method
Nov 29 04:42:43 <destinal> SineOt: yeah, I really thought we'd have this days after the 2.0 doctor came out.  shame about the revision of the graphics core being so important
Nov 29 04:42:59 <torchie> PDK is here to stay  right
Nov 29 04:43:20 <mugen-> ..anyone?
Nov 29 04:43:31 <mugen-> or am i being daft...
Nov 29 04:44:04 <SineOt> destinal: yeah, I think most everyone thought it'd be pretty quick, but from what I've seen about the stuff with the kernel patches they posted not having everything set up for the 3300 or whatever... I don't even know if Palm has it figured out :p
Nov 29 04:44:35 <rick-home> torchie  pdk is here to stay, yes.  But it's scope will continue to shrink.
Nov 29 04:44:41 <torchie> ooh
Nov 29 04:44:49 <torchie> even if I'm making games?
Nov 29 04:44:54 <rick-home> hardware accelerated css, node.js, and webGL will shrink it substantially.
Nov 29 04:45:01 <torchie> fair nuff
Nov 29 04:45:19 <torchie> does webGL have immediate mode
Nov 29 04:46:36 <rick-home> no idea
Nov 29 04:49:13 <torchie> someday I'll have to learn shadeeeeeeers ;-;
Nov 29 04:57:43 <rick-home> again, I point out that this sort of thing is why I deicded long ago to focus on system DESIGN and not be a low-level coder.  :-)
Nov 29 05:09:25 <torchie> I want to stay a coder at all levels just-in-case
Nov 29 05:09:29 <torchie> I get trapped in a room
Nov 29 05:09:31 <torchie> alone
Nov 29 05:09:36 <torchie> and have nothing but a computer
Nov 29 05:09:42 <torchie> and a masterpiece to make
Nov 29 05:10:07 * halfhalo keeps a crowbar with me just for those instances
Nov 29 05:10:23 <torchie> wake up and
Nov 29 05:10:24 <torchie> SMELL
Nov 29 05:10:25 <torchie> the ashes
Nov 29 05:17:27 * rick-home used to think like torchie, then he got older, and tired. Then, he realized that there are people who will do the boring parts FOR him, and all they want is money. :-)
Nov 29 05:17:42 <torchie> yeah but what if I don't have money :(
Nov 29 05:17:47 * halfhalo charges alot for it
Nov 29 05:18:27 <torchie> what if I'm in a cave with a box of scraps
Nov 29 05:19:12 <rick-home> then you won't have a computer.  Least of your problems.  Stuck in cave miles from anywhere is why I carry a gun.  :-) and a radio.  And a flashlight.
Nov 29 05:19:14 * ka6sox thinks that the wifi in a cave sucks.
Nov 29 05:19:25 <rick-home> nodnod
Nov 29 05:19:29 <halfhalo> NOT as much as wimax!
Nov 29 05:19:52 * rwhitby didn't notice rick-home's gun at devday
Nov 29 05:21:03 <rick-home> concealed means concealed.  :-)  But Rick isn't stupid, and did not TAKE a gun to New York City, where he would have been arrested, flogged, and had other indignities thrust upon him.
Nov 29 05:21:37 * rick-home thinks that under NYC laws his pocket knife was probably illegal in MYC, but doesn't much care.
Nov 29 05:21:57 * halfhalo has a butterfly knife that he loves
Nov 29 05:24:58 <rick-home> well, my usual pocket knife is under 4" but is a lockback, and opens with a wrist flick, and does not require a finger on the blade to open.  Thus, yep, it's unlawful in NYC as a carry knife for both reasons.  Oh well.
Nov 29 05:26:20 <halfhalo> heh
Nov 29 05:26:35 * halfhalo may have pulled out lockpicks in palms hq at the first devdays
Nov 29 05:26:37 <rick-home> Since the TSA got stupid on knives, I have started carrying cheap $2 chinese folders that I buy in boxes of a dozen so that when I forget to take it out of my pocket before entering security, they can just toss it in the trash, no big deal.  I lost one coming home from Baltimore a couple of weeeks ago.  -- about half the time the x-ray misses it.  about half the time they catch it.
Nov 29 05:27:18 * rick-home keeps lockpicks in his laptop bag. :-)
Nov 29 05:28:14 <halfhalo> my flash drive always messes with the TSA
Nov 29 05:29:11 <rick-home> oh? that's never been a problem for me.
Nov 29 05:29:23 <halfhalo> Well, mines... different
Nov 29 05:30:01 <halfhalo> its goy a heavy duty metal case
Nov 29 05:30:18 <rwhitby> ironkey?
Nov 29 05:30:27 <halfhalo> no, its a corsair
Nov 29 05:30:57 <halfhalo> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Corsair-64GB-Flash-Survivor-GT-USB-Flash-drive.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.techfresh.net/corsair-flash-survivor-gt-usb-flash-drives/&usg=__3aCcBp_nN6wtFs8uZad9Kg6YLak=&h=270&w=450&sz=31&hl=en&start=0&sig2=PXLq7Ind2sasAMSUagynYA&zoom=1&tbnid=bX9B42O7vSXzAM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=188&ei=mTjzTO_dIYn2swPwluS1CQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcorsair%2Bmetal%2Busb%26um%3D1%26hl%3
Nov 29 05:30:57 <halfhalo> sa%3DN%26biw%3D1701%26bih%3D939%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=825&vpy=91&dur=513&hovh=174&hovw=290&tx=83&ty=125&oei=mTjzTO_dIYn2swPwluS1CQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=41&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0 but 16GB
Nov 29 05:31:56 <halfhalo> ran it over with a car before
Nov 29 05:32:47 <rick-home> shorter url...   http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Corsair-64GB-Flash-Survivor-GT-USB-Flash-drive.jpg
Nov 29 05:33:07 <rick-home> and, yeah, I see why that might mess with them.
Nov 29 05:33:12 * halfhalo copypastas google images link
Nov 29 06:10:04 <ka6sox> who wrote infobot?
Nov 29 06:10:13 <ka6sox> and who controls it?
Nov 29 06:10:34 <halfhalo> tim riker?
Nov 29 06:11:06 <ka6sox> ya, bummers...over in #oe the bot there does bit.ly's on long urls
Nov 29 06:12:39 * halfhalo could also be totally wrong
Nov 29 06:12:48 <halfhalo> could always run your own
Nov 29 07:21:39 <swisstomcat> morning
Nov 29 07:28:05 <torchie> eyote
Nov 29 14:42:21 <morphis> heyho
Nov 29 14:59:02 <destinal> morphis: morning
Nov 29 14:59:33 <morphis> destinal: it's evening here :)
Nov 29 15:00:05 <morphis> or stop, it only feels like evening and we have two hours left until it is evening
Nov 29 15:00:05 <destinal> heh, it's always morning when someone comes in.  of course that could have been a long time ago now. :)
Nov 29 15:00:15 <morphis> hehe
Nov 29 15:01:11 <destinal> morphis: playing with various other omap3 hardware.  beagleboard should get here in a few days
Nov 29 15:01:25 <morphis> destinal: great
Nov 29 15:01:32 <morphis> no pandaboard?
Nov 29 15:02:20 <destinal> morphis: for my purposes a cortex-a8 may be better than an a9
Nov 29 15:02:38 <morphis> ah ok and what are your purposes?
Nov 29 15:03:22 <destinal> morphis: well embedded systems hacking in general but I'd also like to try the webos userland on it :)
Nov 29 15:03:37 <morphis> ah thats nice
Nov 29 15:04:08 <morphis> maybe the next homebrew webOS tablet? :D
Nov 29 15:04:49 <GarthPS> lol kwel! :)
Nov 29 15:05:14 <GarthPS> perhaps before hp's one .. ?
Nov 29 15:05:19 <destinal> maybe.  or at least learning in preparation for that.  plus being a bit closer to my target may help with kernel development
Nov 29 15:05:26 <destinal> for pre/pre2
Nov 29 15:09:09 <destinal> and yes I could develop directly on the device but it's a little harder to get at various pads on the board than with beagle :)
Nov 29 15:10:06 <destinal> rather not crack even a dev pre open and solder to the pads on it until I have to
Nov 29 15:11:50 <morphis> I will do that in the next weeks
Nov 29 15:12:12 <morphis> as I am very interested in running a more recent kernel on the pre devices
Nov 29 15:12:19 <morphis> and to do that we need serial and JTAG
Nov 29 15:12:35 <tmzt_g2root> why do you need that?
Nov 29 15:12:42 <tmzt_g2root> can't you use bootusb?
Nov 29 15:13:07 <morphis> I can
Nov 29 15:13:17 <morphis> but I think I need some debugging method
Nov 29 15:13:59 <morphis> bootusb is nice to get the kernel on the device but who can I get a serial console to see some output if I can not use the display?
Nov 29 15:14:28 <morphis> or is there maybe some serial on the headset-slot?
Nov 29 15:14:39 <tmzt_g2root> there should be usb client serial now
Nov 29 15:14:47 <tmzt_g2root> well, you can use the mux'd usb as serial
Nov 29 15:14:48 <morphis> tmzt_g2root: where?
Nov 29 15:15:07 <tmzt_g2root> I thougt it went into upstream last year
Nov 29 15:15:10 <tmzt_g2root> but I haven't found it
Nov 29 15:15:17 <morphis> in upstream kernel?
Nov 29 15:15:28 <tmzt_g2root> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-usb/2010/3/14/6259213
Nov 29 15:15:44 <morphis> ok, but whats with the steps until I can use that
Nov 29 15:16:04 <morphis> maybe usb is not working with recent kernel out-of-the-box on the pre device
Nov 29 15:16:42 <tmzt_g2root> it's twl40xx what's the issue?
Nov 29 15:16:47 <tmzt_g2root> what kernel are you trying to use?
Nov 29 15:16:56 <tmzt_g2root> why would you expect uart to work any better
Nov 29 15:17:30 <morphis> as uart is simple to use and should work
Nov 29 15:18:17 <morphis> when I am now starting with adding a new omap board to a recent kernel I can do many mistakes
Nov 29 15:18:33 <morphis> and I think it is simpler to have serial than usb from the beginning on
Nov 29 15:19:04 <tmzt_g2root> can also do earlyfb
Nov 29 15:19:13 <tmzt_g2root> right, it's possible
Nov 29 15:19:28 <tmzt_g2root> but unless your touching the zImage decompression code you aren't likely to be unbootable
Nov 29 15:19:49 <Carbo> Sorry to interrupt you guys. Can you recommend a wifi router app for pre?
Nov 29 15:21:03 <morphis> tmzt_g2root: ok
Nov 29 15:22:39 <destinal> morphis: it's possible to reroute UART3 over the USB port pins on the device (so if you build a cable to connect to 3.3v serial and the usb port you can get what you're looking for)  -- involves talking to the PMIC (in uboot for instance)
Nov 29 15:23:41 <destinal> I haven't done it on this device but the nookdevs guys have done it for the new nookcolor which is omap3621 IIRC
Nov 29 15:24:55 <morphis> destinal: sounds very interesting
Nov 29 15:25:22 <morphis> so I get serial after booting with u-boot on the device
Nov 29 15:26:15 <destinal> yeah, then you can console=ttyS2 to see it.   of course it's possible to do a serial gadget instead but you lose a little visibility while the kernel gets to the point of loading it.
Nov 29 15:26:52 <morphis> jepp
Nov 29 15:26:52 <destinal> s/e it/e it in kernel boot as well/
Nov 29 15:26:52 <infobot> destinal meant: yeah, then you can console=ttyS2 to see it in kernel boot as well.   of course it's possible to do a serial gadget instead but you lose a little visibility while the kernel gets to the point of loading it.
Nov 29 15:27:22 <morphis> destinal: do you have some link for me about this?
Nov 29 15:29:28 <egaudet> volup+C on boot to get console to screen.  And you can always dump klog from bootie after a panic/reboot
Nov 29 15:31:16 <morphis> egaudet: even nice
Nov 29 15:32:45 <morphis> we will see when I have some more time which method I use in the end
Nov 29 15:33:23 <destinal> morphis: re the serial pin thing and nookcolor I can't find a copy of the patch pokey9000 pastebin'd.  jacques may have it.  and yeah, bootie is nice.  (shame it is not open source)
Nov 29 15:34:18 <morphis> destinal: jepp, bootie should be definitly opensourcen, even the whole novacom stuff
Nov 29 15:34:31 <morphis> s/opensourcen/opensource/
Nov 29 15:34:32 <infobot> morphis meant: destinal: jepp, bootie should be definitly opensource, even the whole novacom stuff
Nov 29 15:34:41 <destinal> novacom is really really handy, that would be a great contribution to embedded linux work
Nov 29 15:36:14 <destinal> I was just thinking, without it we need usbnet + ssh or usb serial tty and kermit etc, both methods are overly complex
Nov 29 15:37:55 <morphis> jepp
Nov 29 15:37:58 <morphis> novacom is nice
Nov 29 15:38:02 <morphis> kernel code is there
Nov 29 15:38:07 <morphis> but userland would even be nice
Nov 29 15:38:16 <morphis> and precom-progs is quite unstable
Nov 29 15:38:23 <morphis> and not really usable
Nov 29 15:38:56 <morphis> maybe we can start a petition to let palm/hp release it as opensource
Nov 29 15:39:24 <morphis> or maybe the specs
Nov 29 15:40:46 <destinal> morphis: yeah, I imagine they would benefit from the community adopting it, I don't see how it would have a negative result for them
Nov 29 15:41:14 <morphis> the only point for them is that other companies could take it for free :)
Nov 29 15:41:46 <Rick_work> morning
Nov 29 15:41:51 <destinal> morphis: but that's not something that's really a competitive advantage in a product exactly
Nov 29 15:42:02 <destinal> just helpful for developers / hackers
Nov 29 15:42:13 <morphis> ok
Nov 29 15:42:21 <morphis> maybe we should start a try
Nov 29 15:42:22 <destinal> Rick_work: morning
Nov 29 15:42:30 <morphis> and setup a petition
Nov 29 15:45:02 <morphis> should we do that with webos-internals in the background?
Nov 29 15:45:34 <webOSQuire> Good morning/day, all.
Nov 29 15:46:48 <destinal> morphis: I know there was some talk at palm devdays about opening something up for use in a sideloader for webos.   palm may decide to open source novacom for that or just release binaries, but let's see what happens there first
Nov 29 15:47:36 <morphis> ok
Nov 29 15:47:45 <morphis> what do you mean with 'sideloader'?
Nov 29 15:48:25 <destinal> morphis: to use to load up preware since right now you need an SDK (even if you're not a developer) or a doctor image (really large)
Nov 29 15:48:38 <destinal> for novacom drivers
Nov 29 15:49:06 <morphis> ah ok
Nov 29 15:49:19 <Rick_work> we put that idea in as many heads as we could reach at devday
Nov 29 15:49:31 <morphis> great
Nov 29 15:50:01 <morphis> so Palm has open ears for that ... sounds great
Nov 29 16:09:11 <ice8lue> hey everybody
Nov 29 17:35:21 <rsanchez1> hello
Nov 29 17:35:37 <SineOt>  hi
Nov 29 17:35:45 <rsanchez1> anyone know offhand how to make a plugin callback "asynchronous" for hybrid apps?
Nov 29 17:36:07 <rsanchez1> I know there's a function you call on the PDK side, forgot which one it is though, and I can't find it in the docs
Nov 29 17:38:20 <rsanchez1> is it PDL_JSReply?
Nov 29 17:50:01 <NuttyBunny> Nice, SSL works with XChat fine... g'morning everyone
Nov 29 17:53:49 <Schalla> Good Morning (:
Nov 29 18:23:07 <fprimex> ok, seriously, is this Palm chat support staffed with a bot or what?
Nov 29 18:23:41 <destinal> fprimex: lol
Nov 29 18:24:18 <fprimex> "hey, can I send you this log that explains everything from your own program?"
Nov 29 18:24:36 <fprimex> "What do you mean when you say Flash memory?"
Nov 29 18:28:02 <rsanchez1> I tried adding PDL_JSReply to my app and the plugin function is still not being called "asynchronously"
Nov 29 19:30:43 <egaudet> rsanchez1, what do you mean
Nov 29 19:31:49 <rsanchez1> well, my problem is that I'm having the plugin method download a file, and if it's a large file that takes more than a few seconds to download, the javascript side stalls until the file downloads
Nov 29 19:32:09 <egaudet> the js -> plugin method call cannot be asynchronous.  But your plugin can do whatever it wants in parallel to the js, and call back a js function at any point in time
Nov 29 19:32:39 <egaudet> you'll need to make your plugin multithreaded
Nov 29 19:32:57 <rsanchez1> well I assumed that was the case, that's why I wanted to see if I could make it "asynchronous", that is, have it appear that it is asynchronous
Nov 29 19:33:05 <rsanchez1> I thought all plugins are multithreaded anyway
Nov 29 19:33:19 <egaudet> js call to your plugin to start the download, the plugin kicks off the download thread and returns immediately.  When the download is done it calls back another method in the js to indicate completion
Nov 29 19:33:21 <rsanchez1> one thread for each plugin method call?
Nov 29 19:34:09 <rsanchez1> hold on let me try something I might have missed...
Nov 29 19:36:12 <egaudet> With hybrids, the method that you call from JS is not asynchronous.  It will not return until that method is done
Nov 29 19:37:20 <rsanchez1> gah, you would have to explicitly tell it return PDL_TRUE, right?
Nov 29 19:37:59 <egaudet> yeah, which is why for anything that takes time you need to create a separate thread to do the work
Nov 29 19:38:39 <rsanchez1> ok, so I added return PDL_TRUE and now it's letting the javascript side do it's work
Nov 29 19:38:43 <rsanchez1> thanks for the help!
Nov 29 19:39:26 <egaudet> how does that change the situation you explained?
Nov 29 19:39:48 <egaudet> i.e. it still won't return until the file downloads if it's not downloading in a separate thread
Nov 29 19:40:03 <rsanchez1> it should be downloading in a separate thread
Nov 29 19:40:16 <rsanchez1> but I don't know why it wasn't before
Nov 29 19:40:32 <rsanchez1> maybe because before the plugin method function didn't return anything?
Nov 29 19:40:54 <egaudet> if it didn't return anything you should have got at least compiler warnings
Nov 29 19:41:08 <egaudet> if not errors
Nov 29 19:41:14 <rsanchez1> didn't get either of those
Nov 29 19:42:40 <egaudet> well it was returning junk then
Nov 29 20:46:22 <Ice8lue__> rwhitby: could you tell me how to access the git repos again? you disconnected last time
Nov 29 20:50:17 <pcworld> Any news on FrankenDoctor?
Nov 29 20:51:02 <SineOt> no. Apparently it might stall out for a bit since it's rumored that we'll see the first 2.0 for Pre/Pre+ doctor like... Next week
Nov 29 20:51:38 <ice8lue> SineOt: where did you get that info from?
Nov 29 20:51:44 <pcworld> o2 UK?
Nov 29 20:51:56 <pcworld> blog in precentral.net
Nov 29 20:52:09 <SineOt> ice8lue: destinal said that there's some leaked document saying OTA 2.0 upgrades will go out to some non-US carrier around 12/3 or 12/6
Nov 29 20:52:39 <ice8lue> SineOt: really? that's strange... are you a EA member?
Nov 29 20:52:50 <pcworld> You could simply modify the doctor with meta-doctor, right?
Nov 29 20:53:01 <SineOt> ice8lue: it was on Precentral, leaked carrier documents. Probably o2 UK or something
Nov 29 20:53:31 <pcworld> to make it work on phones from other carriers
Nov 29 20:53:32 <ice8lue> pcworld: the new one? it can be possible. but it will take some time
Nov 29 20:53:32 <SineOt> Palm hasn't said anything about it, but the carrier expects it to go out then... So I'd take some weight in it, since the carrier has to approve the update before it goes out anyways
Nov 29 20:54:08 <SineOt> pcworld: yeah, it would be. That's the goal of the FrankenDoctor, to get the 2.0 doctor from SFR to run on other carriers, but it's running into some problems with binary drivers
Nov 29 20:54:08 <ice8lue> yeah of course, i remember to have read about that
Nov 29 20:54:44 <SineOt> binary drivers that would be included in any theoretical non-US carrier 2.0 update designed to run on Castle
Nov 29 20:55:52 <pcworld> I mean if for example o2 uk releases webOS 2.0 for Pre-/+, you could make it run on phones from other carriers using some options in meta-doctor
Nov 29 20:55:59 <SineOt> yes you could, pcworld
Nov 29 20:58:06 <pcworld> good... hopefully o2 Germany users will be again the first that get the update, as it was on 1.4.5
Nov 29 20:58:41 <ice8lue> pcworld: +1 on that, but i dont really believe in this date
Nov 29 20:59:05 <pcworld> and I bet Sprint users have to wait until "the coming years"
Nov 29 20:59:42 <SineOt> pcworld: ehhh... if they did I have a feeling the doctors would find themselves "accidentally" left somewhere people could find them
Nov 29 20:59:58 * oil cries uncontrollably :,(
Nov 29 21:00:10 * SineOt gives oil some chocolate. :<
Nov 29 21:00:26 * oil eats tear covered chocholate
Nov 29 21:00:42 <ice8lue> awwww ;)
Nov 29 21:00:50 <SineOt> the salt makes it better c:
Nov 29 21:01:07 * halfhalo laughs
Nov 29 21:01:28 <pcworld> lol
Nov 29 21:04:52 <ice8lue> oil: is there any way I could join webos-internals?
Nov 29 21:05:02 <oil> do something awesome
Nov 29 21:05:22 * halfhalo votes large cash donation
Nov 29 21:05:43 <ice8lue> baking chocolate chip cookies won't count huh? ;)
Nov 29 21:05:56 <ka6sox> hmmm....probably not :(
Nov 29 21:06:02 <ice8lue> too bad =/
Nov 29 21:06:08 * halfhalo has cookies
Nov 29 21:06:10 <ashi_colocated> might get you a position as official cookie maker...
Nov 29 21:06:10 <oil> its a meritocracy
Nov 29 21:06:19 <ice8lue> xD
Nov 29 21:06:27 * pcworld wants cookies too
Nov 29 21:06:49 <ice8lue> had to stop most of my development projects cuz of my studies...
Nov 29 21:07:01 <ice8lue> think i should continue some of them
Nov 29 21:19:06 <ice8lue> do you guys know a free vpn gateway?
Nov 29 21:19:52 <ice8lue> to use with openvpn
Nov 29 21:21:53 <Loudergood> yeah my semester has kept me scrambling too much too do much outside work
Nov 29 21:22:39 <ice8lue> Loudergood: same for me =(
Nov 29 21:35:06 <chrisa> hmmm
Nov 29 21:35:20 <chrisa> Is that umts doctor out yet for 2?
Nov 29 21:35:29 <halfhalo> should be
Nov 29 21:49:08 <ice8lue> JesusMcGluehwein: toller Name xD
Nov 29 21:50:37 <JesusMcGluehwein> ice8lue, mullet wine time here at the University! (and Mullet Wine is too long to append to my nick)
Nov 29 21:50:52 <ice8lue> ^^
Nov 29 21:51:53 <JesusMcGluehwein> though i missed the chemists mullet wine stand, they use some chemical destillation process to make it taste super awesome without the risk of hedache...
Nov 29 21:52:18 <ice8lue> xD hehe
Nov 29 22:32:34 <dtzWill> "During lunch, there was a huge crowd around Rod after he got his Pre 2. I have no idea what that was about." hahaha <3
Nov 29 22:33:06 <dtzWill> (from http://bit.ly/ftq53J )
Nov 29 22:39:16 <ashi_colocated> :) nice pic
Nov 29 22:45:12 <rwhitby> dtzWill: yeah, Lisa's awesome
Nov 29 22:50:12 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby, did u see my comment (and destinal remark) about the fso guys and pres?
Nov 30 00:54:45 <ka6sox> does preware download the packages file based on the webos version in the device?
Nov 30 00:55:06 <ka6sox> and then get the icons that are associated with those apps?
Nov 30 00:55:53 <rwhitby> preware downloads the packages file based on the feed configurations, some of which contain version numbers in the feed URL
Nov 30 00:56:09 <rwhitby> icons are lazy loaded as the list of populated
Nov 30 00:56:52 <ka6sox> does it keep the icons on the device or download them every time?
Nov 30 00:57:11 <halfhalo> caches em I would think
Nov 30 00:57:45 <ka6sox> I'd like to know that as 90% of the traffic on the server is downloading those icons.
Nov 30 00:58:24 <halfhalo> seriously?
Nov 30 00:58:49 <oil> it downloads every time
Nov 30 00:58:59 * halfhalo ewwws
Nov 30 00:59:15 <oil> yeah, cause mojo can write them out to a file and all...
Nov 30 00:59:30 <oil> keep your ewwws to yourself
Nov 30 00:59:54 <halfhalo> download it to /media/internal/.preware/icons and link to it like a local image
Nov 30 01:00:18 <oil> im sure the download manager would love me filling it with hundreds to thousands of images
Nov 30 01:01:26 <ka6sox> oil, any reason why we can't do that? (or shouldn't)
Nov 30 01:01:47 <halfhalo> same impact as displaying it as an image bandwidth wise, but doing it all at once would be a little excessive
Nov 30 01:02:11 <halfhalo> I do(well, did) something like 200+ images at once for steamfriends
Nov 30 01:04:09 <halfhalo> All avatars for someones friends (plus their friends), plus achievment icons for each achievement for each game that supports it
Nov 30 01:04:24 <oil> patches welcome
Nov 30 01:05:32 * halfhalo thinks about it
Nov 30 01:07:18 <rwhitby> you also need to correctly handle icon changes
Nov 30 01:08:03 <halfhalo> yeah, I forgot how I handled that in steamfriends, but I made sure it was handled since avatars change a good deal with some people
Nov 30 01:10:45 <halfhalo> IIRC the way I did it was do request for the image on the local fs, and if it failed downloaded the image from the server
Nov 30 01:11:11 <rwhitby> that won't handle icon changes
Nov 30 01:11:20 <halfhalo> (me is getting there)
Nov 30 01:11:32 <halfhalo> well THAT failed on my part
Nov 30 01:12:56 <halfhalo> I would not check for icon changes perse, since there is no real way to, but instead refresh icons on a new app version (Specifically, use the md5sum of the app as a uid for the image.  when that changes boom, update icon)
Nov 30 01:15:36 <ka6sox> halfhalo, cogitate on that....and come up with a simple bulletproof concept and play with it :D
Nov 30 01:16:07 * halfhalo is missing a step though
Nov 30 01:16:29 <halfhalo> in the removing of old icons part of the program
Nov 30 01:17:14 <halfhalo> Unless I can hook into the update procedure itself and grab the old md5sum
Nov 30 01:20:32 <halfhalo> oh... is it stored somewhere?
Nov 30 02:06:07 <ket> why is user k[t: banned from this channel again?
Nov 30 02:11:07 <ka6sox> ket, because the client kept bouncing for 4+hrs
Nov 30 02:11:16 <ka6sox> every 10 seconds or so.
Nov 30 02:11:38 <ket> and the ip again?
Nov 30 02:11:46 <ka6sox> ?
Nov 30 02:11:56 <ka6sox> don't understand the question.
Nov 30 02:12:42 <ka6sox> ket, its nothing personal...has to do with polluting the logs.
Nov 30 02:13:31 <ket> well i've sort of fixed it: (if you're speaking of about 2 or 3 sundays ago...
Nov 30 02:13:37 <ket> )
Nov 30 02:13:41 <ka6sox> ket, yup
Nov 30 02:14:18 <ka6sox> I'm the one who put the ban on...I'll remove it...but if it fails again I'll have to put it back on :(
Nov 30 02:14:23 <ket> well i don't really know what it was, but freenet6 continuously dropped my tunnels that day...
Nov 30 02:14:39 <ket> ka6sox: understood
Nov 30 02:26:02 <ka6sox> okay ket..there you go.
Nov 30 02:34:41 <ka6sox> ket, try to relog in as your normal nic
Nov 30 02:34:42 <ka6sox> k
Nov 30 02:37:09 <ket> -- this is the best i got...  http://sprunge.us/UXXZ
Nov 30 02:43:17 <ka6sox> ket,  there is no ban on the other nick now...you may use it as you wish...
Nov 30 02:43:20 <ka6sox> laters.
Nov 30 02:46:21 <ket> ok: will do: i have nothing in the logs...
Nov 30 02:50:53 <ka6sox> that works
Nov 30 02:55:08 <k[t> indeed: thx again ka6sox
Nov 30 02:55:18 <ka6sox> g'day
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