**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 16 02:59:57 2010 Dec 16 03:00:42 Impostah should be in the test feeds, no? Dec 16 03:01:34 HAHA GOT IT Dec 16 03:02:44 haha just for a heads up, if you edit the devicetool.jar and replace the kernel, re-run it, and delete /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use, then kill luna, and run firstuse it'll activate Dec 16 03:04:24 b3ll: what in the world did you do P: Dec 16 03:04:36 Impostah should be in the testing feeds, should it not? Dec 16 03:04:42 ffffuuuuu why won't my data restore Dec 16 03:04:47 sineot what's impostah? Dec 16 03:05:23 an application rwhitby cooked up, lets you explore the new features in 2.0 on your Pre2 Dec 16 03:05:41 will be installing that Dec 16 03:07:38 gayness Dec 16 03:07:42 have to make a new palm profile Dec 16 03:16:50 rwhitby-pre: I'm getting errors with 1.4.8 preware on webOS 2.0. It tells me http://ipkg.preware .... /patches//Packages.gz can not be found. Dec 16 03:17:38 I doubt that's a public doctor you are discussing in a public channel. Dec 16 03:18:28 he has pre2 Dec 16 03:19:01 rwhitby-pre: any ideas for solutions? re add the feeds? Dec 16 03:19:10 Preware works fine on Pre 2 webOS 2.0.x Dec 16 03:19:19 I didn't change anything, that's how the standard feeds started Dec 16 03:19:56 rwhitby-pre: I installed it, on first launch these errors came up Dec 16 03:20:07 this is a Pre2 running public 2.0.1 ? Dec 16 03:20:12 no Dec 16 03:20:17 right Dec 16 03:20:33 you cannot discuss anything else here. Dec 16 03:21:18 ... Dec 16 03:21:47 all of you, just stop it. that stuff is under NDA - keep it out of this channel. period. Dec 16 03:22:53 rwhitby-pre: I'm not mentioning any specifics, just that it doesn't work. I didn't think it was device specific.. Dec 16 03:22:57 (my issues) Dec 16 03:23:36 Tibfib: if you can't reproduce a problem on a public configuration it can't be supported, that's it basically Dec 16 03:24:39 oh duh Dec 16 03:24:42 nor may we be able to release any changes to make things work for NDA scenarios Dec 16 03:24:47 I know the issue. Nevermind Dec 16 03:26:29 I didn't think it was specific to my device situation, so that's why I reported it.. But it was, so nevermind :) Dec 16 03:28:18 sorry! Dec 16 03:40:19 tibfib sokay Dec 16 03:58:54 rick-nook: are you on a Nook Color? Dec 16 03:59:16 * halfhalo hates all andoid irc clients Dec 16 04:22:37 yes i am sine0t Dec 16 04:22:52 cool. you like it? Dec 16 04:22:57 love Dec 16 04:23:15 like it more w webos on it Dec 16 04:24:34 NC's a nice tablet but yeah, I'd like to run something besides android too Dec 16 04:25:27 how much are nc's nowadays? Dec 16 04:25:48 $250 Dec 16 04:25:49 249? I think Dec 16 04:26:19 I'm interested to see what Android 3.0 brings about in terms of like tablet support Dec 16 04:28:11 Having that Moto Tablet with 3.0 on it was a good move I thought :p Dec 16 04:28:21 I honeslty can't see myself with an android tablet for a while. I already have the ipad and kindle, no need for another one Dec 16 04:28:35 well all of them right now from playing with them are kind of lacking Dec 16 04:31:06 I may get a playbook though Dec 16 04:31:31 rwhitby, wirc still behaving for you? Dec 16 04:31:56 hey all Dec 16 04:32:03 the Playbook sounds interesting, yeah Dec 16 04:32:17 the fact that apparently all the apps are just Adobe Air though kind of makes me go "ehhhhh" Dec 16 04:32:23 PuffTheMagic: no more stuck processes. the only thing I'm seeing now is that on first startup it does not connect immediately. I have to wait for it to timeout, then I connect and it is fine. Dec 16 04:32:50 PuffTheMagic: so it's perfectly useable, I just have to "double start" it each time. Dec 16 04:32:53 rwhitby, is that to bip or directly to a server Dec 16 04:32:58 PuffTheMagic: to bip Dec 16 04:33:20 but in the server window it's not getting to the point where it connects to bip the first time Dec 16 04:33:48 yah im gonna have to do more smart cleanup in the plugin since the gui cant do it once it looses connection to the plugin Dec 16 04:33:53 it's as if the plugin is not starting quick enough or something, dunno (I don't know the architecture well) Dec 16 04:34:16 PuffTheMagic: this happens from a cold start, it's not a reconnect issue. Dec 16 04:34:30 rwhitby, if the plugin wasnt starting quick enough you would see a waiting for plugin message Dec 16 04:34:31 and it's pretty repeatable for me Dec 16 04:35:00 if its not connecting it sounds like something thinks a connection is still alive and timing out Dec 16 04:35:18 bip is weird, i can crash my bip easily with shitty irc clients Dec 16 04:35:21 if it's a cold start what is there to think that a connection is still alive though? Dec 16 04:35:44 SineOt, cold start of the app not of the phone Dec 16 04:36:16 with the last change i made, i dont think the disconnect call to the server is getting made Dec 16 04:36:17 could webos be keeping a, for lack of a better word, copy of the connection? Dec 16 04:36:23 so something is left open on one end Dec 16 04:36:42 its most likely on the server side Dec 16 04:36:50 PuffTheMagic: it's definitely not a connection open thing Dec 16 04:37:06 it happens on cold start of both client and server, with no previous wIRC usage for more than 24h Dec 16 04:37:35 and it always reconnects perfectly after that initial timeout Dec 16 04:38:22 it's almost as if the initial connect packet is not getting through or something (again, guesses with no knowledge of architecture or code) Dec 16 04:39:20 rwhitby, well i've had the problem where i try connecting 100 times in a row and it never gets though Dec 16 04:39:25 could be a related problem Dec 16 04:39:36 rwhitby, are you using ssl by any chance? Dec 16 04:39:37 but I haven't debugged it at all, cause the reconnect is perfect always on the first try and there are no hangs ever now. Dec 16 04:39:40 PuffTheMagic: no ssl Dec 16 04:40:10 rwhitby, jhowirc claims he still gets the still open bug :( Dec 16 04:40:49 I've not seen it once since I got the new ipk from you. Dec 16 04:42:08 the connect bug should be easy to figure out Dec 16 04:46:07 rwhitby, does meta doctor support installing a custom kernel yet? Dec 16 04:46:49 yep, CUSTOM_KERNEL_DIR Dec 16 04:47:10 with ./boot and ./lib/modules subdirectories Dec 16 04:47:42 im wondering what i need to do to make a doctor for my frankenpre2 Dec 16 04:47:48 that will get the cam working Dec 16 04:48:43 I think you'd need kernel code, firmware (?), and camd at least, and hope that no APIs they use have changed. Dec 16 04:49:12 i've got a custom kernel on my pre2 now with the older camera driver Dec 16 04:49:16 and i also have the older fw Dec 16 04:49:23 but the fw does not seem to load Dec 16 04:49:41 dunno Dec 16 04:49:54 ya idk either yet Dec 16 04:49:59 more playing will be needed Dec 16 04:56:25 omg.. have I been cloned? Dec 16 04:56:37 no, it's the other machine :) Dec 16 05:50:18 * scoutcamper says, someone come up with something to discuss Dec 16 05:50:29 halfhalo, that means you Dec 16 05:50:32 no Dec 16 05:51:52 can I discuss how it's funny that this ATT SIM I have is so old it's not recognized as being an ATT SIM? :V Dec 16 05:52:01 lol Dec 16 05:52:08 SineOt, is it cingular? Dec 16 05:52:17 nope Dec 16 05:52:24 old old blue ATT Wireless Dec 16 05:52:46 LOL! Dec 16 05:52:52 what does it think it is? Dec 16 05:53:25 No idea, won't do anything with it, but asks for the Network Unlock because it's an unrecognized card Dec 16 05:53:28 it's one of these http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=300&uid=1517249421 Dec 16 05:53:32 so it's WAY ancient Dec 16 05:53:36 probably like 2003? Dec 16 05:53:51 lol Dec 16 05:53:55 atleast Dec 16 05:54:14 so actually, lol Dec 16 05:54:25 it's prior to ATT Wireless becoming Cingular Dec 16 05:54:46 * scoutcamper has one of these http://cdn3.ioffer.com/img/item/918/778/96/8561_1.JPG Dec 16 05:56:33 I'm going to go borrow a modern ATT 3G Sim to get my Pre activated... Finally. Dec 16 05:56:44 weeew Dec 16 05:57:08 then I might try to get the unlock code from ATT just so I can keep a dead SIM in it so it just... Displays nothing for the carrier Dec 16 05:57:16 torchie, your name makes me think of crackberry torch Dec 16 05:57:19 lol Dec 16 05:57:32 makes me think of pokemon :I Dec 16 05:57:53 started with pokemon :D Dec 16 06:00:31 yay pokemon Dec 16 06:00:38 Mijumaru > * Dec 16 06:09:34 Has anyone ever worked on trying to get more video codec support into webOS? Dec 16 06:10:01 apparently not Dec 16 06:10:26 I remember searching all over to see if anyone was working on it Dec 16 06:11:43 Hm Dec 16 06:11:55 Yeah because h264 baseline only kind of sucks Dec 16 06:12:07 even though main profile isn't that much different Dec 16 06:13:06 I don't know how it is on the Pre at least, but is codec coding accelerated via a chip? Dec 16 06:17:41 I imagine it is on the Pixi, I know the chipset is mentioned as having a 320mhz "digital signal decoder" or something which sounds like an h264 decoder hardware implementation... Dec 16 07:46:06 heya Dec 16 07:46:47 damn.. not that far from Palm/HP, but downloads moving from 24k to 767k/s. Hrmm.. Dec 16 07:52:43 metadoctor w/ 2.0? Dec 16 07:53:28 ajay, physical distance != logical or NET distance Dec 16 07:54:26 ka6sox: I dunno, I heard i'm physically pretty close to the heart of the internet, in which case.. Dec 16 07:55:30 ohh blech it looks like maybe hp is on AT&T, (in which case) no wonder..;^) Dec 16 07:55:36 *cough* NDA *cough* Dec 16 07:57:52 ? Dec 16 08:05:56 i take it the metadoctor experts aren't here right now? Dec 16 08:06:22 rwhitby-pre is :) Dec 16 08:08:22 maybe he's busy then.. Dec 16 08:10:01 I hope if the Vz Pre2 doesn't come out that they give them away! Dec 16 08:10:21 verizon gives them away? or hp? Dec 16 08:10:49 I like to say Palm, but i'll let you say hp.. (like they did w/ the att +'s) Dec 16 08:11:18 well, palm and hp are one in the same now :) Dec 16 08:11:24 I heard a rumor that the Pre 2's don't say "Palm" when you boot up anymore, is that true? Dec 16 08:11:28 but yea, free pre2s are awesome :) Dec 16 08:11:40 oil: not in my heart! Dec 16 08:11:56 i like to think that palm has access to hp's bank acct :) Dec 16 08:12:00 at devdays during one of the talks they were doing a video of a device Dec 16 08:12:11 and when it booted it had the hp logo where it used to have hte palm logo Dec 16 08:12:33 i assume they'll be switching to that Dec 16 08:12:41 oil: you were at devday? so you musta gotten a pre2 then, does yours do that? Dec 16 08:12:52 yeah i did, but no, it says palm Dec 16 08:13:08 nice Dec 16 08:13:24 but interesting about "the device" they video'd.. hrmm.. Dec 16 08:13:32 it was a pre2 Dec 16 08:13:40 oh Dec 16 08:13:41 doh Dec 16 08:13:42 i think it was the pdk and hybrids talk Dec 16 08:13:52 you might be able to catch it in the youtube vid Dec 16 08:14:03 i think it was that one anyways Dec 16 08:14:37 Palm should use BitTorrent Dec 16 08:14:46 i can't watch, it might break my heart.. ;^) Dec 16 08:14:53 lol Dec 16 08:15:22 i watched that talk because he talked about wIRC :) Dec 16 08:15:31 as a hybrid example that has no visible plugin Dec 16 08:16:11 huh! nice Dec 16 08:16:52 oh wait i already knew you went to dev day, silly me.. (since I tried to send you money, before the world realized paypal was evil.. ;^) Dec 16 08:17:07 ajay: meta-doc works with 2.0 fine Dec 16 08:17:14 ajay: ah, yeah Dec 16 08:17:27 :) Dec 16 08:17:41 they were a little evil there though Dec 16 08:17:53 thinking your donation was fraudulent Dec 16 08:18:00 rwhitby-pre: awesome! Dec 16 08:18:11 brb Dec 16 08:18:25 rwhitby-pre: I'm definitely thinking to take your idea of making bigger other partitions.. Dec 16 08:19:09 Partially because I want to install apps that are WI using ipkg (I think that'll install them as system apps, so it won't look for updates anymore.. or sideloaded, like free music ringtones..) Dec 16 08:19:37 YAY app catalog access. Dec 16 08:19:40 oil: I did donate from my Pre, is why, apparently Dec 16 08:20:03 SineOt: where are you that you didn't have access? I can't believe I Didn't realize not everyone had access to that, so crazy.. Dec 16 08:20:19 I had an unactivated developer ATT Pre+ :] Dec 16 08:20:47 Which is now an activated, simless developer ATT Pre+ Dec 16 08:21:19 SineOt: Oh I have one of those.. hmm, oh i did see something about logging onto your palm profile with a dev acct, which was previously unavailable huh.. Dec 16 08:21:24 i wonder if that's all document on the wii Dec 16 08:21:25 anyone normal outside of us or eu does not have access Dec 16 08:21:27 wiki Dec 16 08:21:35 oh burn Dec 16 08:22:06 Palm should release big in BRIC (Brazil,Russia,India,China.. and prob a few more) Dec 16 08:26:32 well, yeah... but for app cat access you still need to have activated it at least once Dec 16 08:26:41 doh Dec 16 08:26:42 I think after that it's all good to go Dec 16 08:26:59 if you've never activated it just goes "Can't do that right now try again later" Dec 16 08:27:03 But later... Later never comes Dec 16 08:30:25 I heard that the Pre2 is going to be released "in coming months," is that related? ;^) Dec 16 08:30:55 that doesn't help my poor Pre+ running 1.4.5 Dec 16 08:31:21 In other news: in the 45 minutes since I activated and removed the SIM, the Pre's clock has already drifted 2 minutes :/ Dec 16 08:31:30 how in the world did they get a clock that was so bad Dec 16 08:31:32 huh Dec 16 08:31:37 thats weird Dec 16 08:31:53 eh, it's not too uncommon. It doesn't have network time to sync against, since well... There's no network. Dec 16 08:32:12 But 2 minutes over 45 minutes is pretty bad. Dec 16 08:32:25 The worst I've seen it drift was about 6 hours over 2 days. Dec 16 08:34:35 my friend really hates us running ntp on our server since it keeps running constantly, and there's no need.. Dec 16 08:34:57 I don't need to be running my battery down to keep time sync'd, personally.. Dec 16 08:36:18 Maybe not constantly, but... Being off by 5 hours after 2 days is pretty bad. Dec 16 08:36:57 You might as well not have a clock by that point P: Dec 16 08:41:33 http://i51.tinypic.com/f23fqq.png Dec 16 08:41:49 you think they mean the old phones code when they say "confirm your phone's code"? Dec 16 08:41:57 or they mean confirm the new phones code Dec 16 08:42:08 just confirm the new phone's code Dec 16 08:44:33 hm Dec 16 08:45:55 Didn't work? Dec 16 08:46:03 not doing it yet Dec 16 08:46:12 just wondering about its words Dec 16 08:46:15 * SineOt hmms, version 9.9.9. Dec 16 08:46:17 for when i do Dec 16 08:46:26 Sprint has terrible copy writers, so don't worry too much about it. :/ Dec 16 08:46:37 I got mailers all the time that would use "and" instead of "or." Dec 16 08:46:54 So it'd say get 20% off AND 30% off. When in reality, it was or. Dec 16 08:47:20 yeah, those go straight in the garbage Dec 16 08:47:38 you should recycle them :< Dec 16 08:47:55 thats what i meant Dec 16 08:48:05 gosh damnit ANOTHER flash update?? I wonder if Mobile Flash has security holes?? I wonder how they'd address security if so.. Dec 16 08:48:48 "lol good luck" Dec 16 09:08:43 morning! Dec 16 09:15:39 hi ice8lue Dec 16 09:15:55 hey MetaView =) Dec 16 09:25:56 what is new from preware 1.4.8 to 1.4.9? Dec 16 09:26:14 appmenu>help>changelog :) Dec 16 09:27:28 "Better handling of unknown webOS versions" Dec 16 09:28:20 alright good night guys! Dec 16 09:28:34 ah, understood =) Dec 16 09:28:39 darn howd it get so late! ;^) Dec 16 09:28:48 eh! Dec 16 13:00:05 hi there Dec 16 13:00:10 somebody here? Dec 16 13:01:12 well, i have a question to all pre/pixi users Dec 16 13:02:09 yes? Dec 16 13:02:14 i have turned off the systemsounds and put the audiolevel to zero, but whenever i start the camera the speaker makes a clicking noise Dec 16 13:02:37 and when i shut the camera down it clicks again Dec 16 13:02:46 there are diffferent audio levels, for system sound or game sounds etc. Dec 16 13:02:54 bbl Dec 16 13:03:15 i am just asking myself if this clicking at the start of the camera is normal Dec 16 13:04:39 its not a sound which is played, it is more like the speaker turned on/off quickly Dec 16 13:05:13 the phone is new and i just wanted to know if this is a normal behaviour or some hardwaredamage Dec 16 13:05:47 no patches or homebrew apps installed (at the moment) Dec 16 13:07:07 :( Dec 16 13:15:05 ok, another question, will the battery last longer with the uberKernel (without overclocking)? Dec 16 13:16:28 * NuttyBunny turns on the camera Dec 16 13:16:31 no, no sound Dec 16 13:16:59 hmm Dec 16 13:17:28 well starting the camera makes a noise like phweu Dec 16 13:17:39 PixiPlusLOVER: That's not normal, if you have the volumes set to 0, you should have no sound whatsoever Dec 16 13:19:14 as long a the camera is on the speaker make a shhhhhhhhhhhh sound Dec 16 13:19:19 is that abnormal, too? Dec 16 13:25:16 Well, the only shhh sound that I know of the Pre is then you close cards Dec 16 13:31:41 ok Dec 16 13:31:45 thank you Dec 16 13:32:15 i will try a hardwarereset, when thats not helping i should use my warrenty Dec 16 13:36:27 morning Dec 16 13:36:33 hey rick-nook, could I ask you a favor re: your nook? Dec 16 13:38:38 morning Dec 16 13:39:28 hey rick-nook, could I ask you a favor re: your nook? (not sure if you saw) Dec 16 13:39:52 is there some good tutorial for sdk devloping? or a book? the tutorial on the hp website is too short? Dec 16 13:42:34 summatusmentis: I have a nookcolor too if it helps Dec 16 13:43:28 destinal-pre: oh, well, would you mind screenshoting an ACM formatted PDF on the nook color? Dec 16 13:45:28 I'm trying to decide if I can make it work, or if I need to wait for a 10" webos one Dec 16 13:45:31 I'm picking up family at airport but if someone doesn't get it for you by when I get back Dec 16 13:45:48 yeah, no real pressure Dec 16 13:45:53 mostly mild curiosity :) Dec 16 13:46:33 I like it but palmpads probably going to be beyter Dec 16 13:47:05 also likely more expensive Dec 16 13:47:29 and as a member of the set "poor college student" Dec 16 13:47:29 true Dec 16 13:47:31 cheaper is better Dec 16 13:50:26 yeah it's amazing for $250 imo Dec 16 13:50:58 screen is probably worth nearly $200 of that Dec 16 13:54:15 aah! that's the reason! they must be shipping screen-less Pre 2 devices! ;) Dec 16 13:56:18 destinal-pre: that's why I'm so tempted, the price-point is really nice Dec 16 14:03:10 NuttyBunny: nc screen is like ipad. way better than pre screens Dec 16 14:47:08 ~foo Dec 16 14:47:08 i guess foo is bar Dec 16 15:05:04 ~bar Dec 16 15:05:04 i guess bar is baz or a friend of foo Dec 16 15:05:11 ~foobar Dec 16 15:05:12 $$%$% Dec 16 15:05:18 :/ Dec 16 17:04:06 I'm sooooo sick, and I have a meeting 2 minutes ago... I'll spread my germs to them, I should have been left at home, but noooo, "you have to be there, you're the one in charge"... bah Dec 16 17:06:02 That sucks Dec 16 17:06:19 +1 Dec 16 18:08:48 rick-home: ping Dec 16 18:23:22 Is it correct that the CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 is not on 2.0 anymore? Dec 16 18:33:40 sconix: do your system menu patches for today menu and so on work on 2.0.1? Dec 16 18:33:57 coz i can't install them Dec 16 18:34:58 ice8lue: if its in the patch feed for 201 it should work Dec 16 18:35:07 it is Dec 16 18:35:13 (did you first install the framework patch?) Dec 16 18:35:42 yes i did. but it gives me an error on a freshly doctored system Dec 16 18:36:28 whats the error? Dec 16 18:36:54 wait a minute, i'll try again Dec 16 18:37:03 (not that i'll know how to fix it, but maybe someone else will see it who will) Dec 16 18:37:10 xD Dec 16 18:40:22 no more launcher patches makes me sad :( Dec 16 18:49:23 it has problems to patch /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo2/submissions/93//stylesheets/global-menus.css Dec 16 18:50:23 yeah, no clue here xD Dec 16 18:51:24 * oilsworkn is suddenly interested where destinal works Dec 16 18:51:47 ;) okay...maybe it's because i'm using it on a WR Pre? Dec 16 18:52:29 oilsworkn: I'm a security consultant, mostly work remote from home Dec 16 18:52:37 ah Dec 16 18:53:23 got some guests staying at the house today though so I had to give up my office -- a coffee shop can be a good backup in a pinch :) Dec 16 18:54:20 so you basically just try to hack people all day? Dec 16 18:54:21 xD Dec 16 18:54:22 lol Dec 16 18:54:44 oilsworkn: yeah basically, and write documentation regarding the results of such Dec 16 18:54:55 sounds fun Dec 16 18:54:57 * halfhalo is watching the original tron on ze projector Dec 16 18:55:01 the documentation is the boring part Dec 16 18:55:03 well, not the documentation part Dec 16 18:55:06 haha Dec 16 18:55:20 but yeah I love my job Dec 16 18:58:15 * oilsworkn is going to attempt to switch to his sprint pre2 tonight :) Dec 16 18:58:42 * ice8lue now is jealous on oil =0/ Dec 16 18:59:01 swapping the boards was easier then i expected Dec 16 18:59:24 except the clips at the top of the keyboard bezel Dec 16 18:59:24 the hard part i think is the keyboard who shall "slide" back in the sides Dec 16 18:59:27 those took some work to figure out Dec 16 18:59:30 yer Dec 16 18:59:37 but now i know just how to work em Dec 16 18:59:50 I put the keyboard in a hard angle Dec 16 19:00:42 i put the top in and bend the little piece out until it matches up and connects Dec 16 19:01:14 Yay, finally got wirc working again Dec 16 19:01:49 yay Dec 16 19:02:20 it just didnt connect on my pre Dec 16 19:06:42 why not? Dec 16 19:09:21 i dont know.... i set the port to 6667 fixed and now its working (after a felt hundred tries before) Dec 16 19:14:25 hm Dec 16 19:51:50 hey guys when tethering my fone on my pc I get the error code 10 unable to start device under xp when installing the driver Dec 16 19:52:01 any fix for that Dec 16 20:03:18 what's a xp Dec 16 20:04:14 a dead one eyed guy sticking his tongue out Dec 16 20:12:44 I always thought of XP as being more of a squinty face with it's tongue sticking out. -_-... Dec 16 20:13:18 hi guys, I'm having a problem with the WIDK Dec 16 20:13:52 I want to compile libcurl for static linking, but when I try to compile my app, it gives me this error: /srv/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/usr/lib/libcurl.a(timeval.o): In function `curlx_tvnow': timeval.c:(.text+0xe4): undefined reference to `clock_gettime' Dec 16 20:14:18 when I compiled libcurl, I did it with: ./configure --without-ssl --without-zlib Dec 16 20:15:06 and here's the command I used to compile my program: g++ -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -o test1 test1.o -L/srv/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/usr/lib -Wl,-Bstatic -lmicrohttpd -lcurl -Wl,-Bdynamic -lpdl -lSDL -lpthread Dec 16 20:16:01 do I have to compile libcurl with different configure options? Dec 16 20:19:32 lol ya I don't like xp it's my friends pc Dec 16 20:22:12 Anyone here have a pre 2 and happens to know what it scores on sunspider 0.9.1? Dec 16 20:22:21 AStice, let me check Dec 16 20:23:00 running SunSpider 0.9.1 one moment... Dec 16 20:24:47 blargh, just realized I had a ton of stuff running in the background as well... closed all of that, gonna run it by itself Dec 16 20:25:26 * ice8lue just fell totaly in love to the new 30 seconds to mars single ;0) Dec 16 20:25:59 What's it called? Dec 16 20:28:52 * rsanchez1_ hates static linking Dec 16 20:29:44 5926.8ms on Sun Spider 0.9.1 Dec 16 20:30:05 Wow - That's faster then I thought it would be. That's awesome. Means the JavaScript engine was definitely updated Dec 16 20:30:09 for comparison, my desktop just did it in 2980ms Dec 16 20:30:19 1GHz Pre Plus on 1.4.5 scores about 11000 Dec 16 20:30:34 yepper, they made it much better Dec 16 20:30:46 so that would speed up any mojo app, right? Dec 16 20:30:49 Any Dec 16 20:30:54 That's going to be awesome Dec 16 20:30:54 I would be interested in seeing a Pre Plus on 1.4.5 score next to a Pre Plus on 2.0 score Dec 16 20:30:57 nice Dec 16 20:31:00 both overclocked to 1GHz Dec 16 20:31:19 I would love to see my physics app on a Pre 2 Dec 16 20:31:29 rsanchez1_: and found your clock_gettime()? Dec 16 20:31:34 is it made for WebOS? Dec 16 20:31:55 MetaView: I'm trying different compile options, seeing if it works now Dec 16 20:32:10 if so, I don't have App Cat on my Pre2 (dev device) but if you can get me a package I can install it with palm-install Dec 16 20:32:15 I would guess you have a defineto exclude it somewhere? Dec 16 20:32:55 I'm not sure, but what I tried didn't work :( Dec 16 20:33:23 it gave me ssl errors before, so I used --without-ssl and --without-zlib because I didn't need those features Dec 16 20:33:31 now it's giving me the clock_gettime error Dec 16 20:33:41 yes Dec 16 20:34:09 according to google they are part of clib and declared in time.h Dec 16 20:35:01 but if they aren't found I would expect you have a config.h where you might be able to exclude them Dec 16 20:35:05 my roomate is gonna run it on his iPhone Dec 16 20:35:17 hold on, found something else on google, gonna try that Dec 16 20:35:33 Just ran it on my iPod 4th Gen, 9536.7 +/- 0.1% Dec 16 20:36:25 I just needed to add: `curl-config --static-libs` Dec 16 20:36:41 thanks for the assistance! Dec 16 20:40:58 grrr, curl is still failing on Pixi with static linking... Dec 16 20:45:36 iPhone 3GS 13898.5 ms, he had one other tab open in the browser at the time Dec 16 20:45:49 and he moved the screen once or twice during the test Dec 16 20:45:49 he is gonna do it again with the tab closed and not touch the screen Dec 16 20:52:50 runnign it on the Nook Color Dec 16 20:52:59 it is 800MHz, and I believe Android 2.1 Dec 16 20:53:16 yep, 2.1 Dec 16 20:54:36 heh, I have an eris here with froyo on it Dec 16 20:57:27 * rsanchez1_ wishes the Pixi could've just been a smaller Pre... Dec 16 20:58:03 11500 on the nook color Dec 16 20:58:36 wow.. my desktop is fast 312.5 with firefox 4 beta Dec 16 20:59:24 My laptop gets 270 with Chrome 11.0.611.0 - Just had to sell my 8-core development machine (makes me cry) so I can't test it there Dec 16 21:00:53 * oil got 215 on his desktop while doing tons of other crap xD Dec 16 21:00:58 315* Dec 16 21:01:48 eris is still going lol Dec 16 21:04:27 I wonder if it will even run on my nook Dec 16 21:04:28 AStice: It's called Closer to the Edge Dec 16 21:05:29 Loudergood, old school nook? Dec 16 21:05:37 yeah Dec 16 21:05:40 don't think that browser does javascript... does it? Dec 16 21:05:48 I'm not really sure Dec 16 21:05:57 give it a shot Dec 16 21:06:10 let us know (tomorrow... when it finishes... lol) Dec 16 21:07:20 something isn't right with the eris...it seems to be repeating Dec 16 21:09:26 &inf; seconds Dec 16 21:11:16 on my desktop it ran the tests 22 times... Dec 16 21:11:18 not sure why Dec 16 21:11:31 my roomates iphone ran it way more than the advertised 5 times as well Dec 16 21:11:36 so did my pre and my NC Dec 16 21:11:40 nook does do js Dec 16 21:12:58 and go Dec 16 21:15:11 anyone tried kraken yet? Dec 16 21:15:25 whas this with all this stuff now? Dec 16 21:16:58 random benchmarking Dec 16 21:17:14 I assume there was some point to it before I got here Dec 16 21:17:21 ah Dec 16 21:17:57 but right now my nook and eris are both still running sunspider Dec 16 21:19:02 mbp gets 339... Dec 16 21:19:19 I'm thinking of trying kraken next Dec 16 21:20:19 I could run sunspider on my Kindle 3, if we're just running it on everything we can Dec 16 21:20:49 Mr lappytop does it in 300 flat Dec 16 21:21:03 we do seem to be getting carried away..that would be interesting to see compared to the nook Dec 16 21:21:25 * halfhalo dunnos what is really going on... he just got back from chipotle Dec 16 21:21:39 I had just gotten home from work Dec 16 21:21:59 pre2 is around 6 secs Dec 16 21:22:03 iirc Dec 16 21:23:13 yeah my pre2 just did it in 6100 Dec 16 21:23:26 Got to walk around the corner to the help desk - haven't registered my kindle on the network yet Dec 16 21:23:30 eris and nook are still humming along Dec 16 21:23:30 Be back shortly Dec 16 21:23:54 I'm trying the benchmark, and it won't stop Dec 16 21:23:58 just keeps going and going Dec 16 21:25:49 yeah it looks like that Dec 16 21:25:57 I just started kraken on my pre 2 Dec 16 21:26:06 Ok - running sunspider on my kindle Dec 16 21:26:24 no point Dec 16 21:26:47 kraken fails Dec 16 21:27:05 well at least the last time I tried Dec 16 21:27:12 interesting Dec 16 21:28:05 think I mentioned it to unwiredben already Dec 16 21:31:56 cant beleive that eris is still going Dec 16 21:33:22 Kindle 3 is still chugging away Dec 16 21:33:52 yeah, the nook has been running for quite some time now Dec 16 21:34:25 there's a lighter spot in the e-ink where the text keeps updating Dec 16 21:35:08 Taking at least a second for each test, so I'm thinking the score is going to be pretty up there Dec 16 21:40:16 34660.1 +/- 0.8% for the Kindle 3 Dec 16 21:40:19 That's a long time Dec 16 21:41:12 lol Dec 16 21:41:19 try 69333 for the nook Dec 16 21:41:34 +/- 1% Dec 16 21:41:55 comedy option: Dec 16 21:42:12 droid eris 59115ms Dec 16 21:45:30 isn't there a patch to enable the virtual keyboard on 2.0? Dec 16 21:46:55 is it in the testing feed? Dec 16 21:47:50 it's somewhere Dec 16 21:48:01 but honestly it works so badly it's kind of not worth losing the wave Dec 16 21:48:10 * Tibfib never uses wave Dec 16 21:48:27 dangit, advanced device menu doesn't work because of the meta tap glitch Dec 16 21:48:41 * Tibfib is using pre2 fyi Dec 16 21:50:09 * rwhitby uses the new virtual keyboard for opening apps Dec 16 21:51:07 rwhitby: is there a patch? Dec 16 21:51:11 is it in the testing feed? Dec 16 21:51:48 yes, and it's a patch so there is no testing feed. Dec 16 21:52:28 oh yeah. I guess I never paid enough attention to realize there's no test patches :) Dec 16 21:52:37 * Tibfib probably needs to update his pre2 Dec 16 21:59:23 they are in here now! Dec 16 21:59:28 whoohoo Dec 16 21:59:43 * halfhalo hides the goods Dec 16 21:59:43 it's like the matrix! Dec 16 21:59:43 and so much for the back log idea Dec 16 21:59:49 netsplits are SUCH FUN. but they've become uncommon. Dec 16 21:59:55 lol Dec 16 21:59:55 except that no one died from disconnection (right?) Dec 16 21:59:59 except for just now Dec 16 22:00:01 and yesterday Dec 16 22:00:04 and the day before Dec 16 22:00:14 Hi everybody! Dec 16 22:00:36 * scoutcamper notes that netsplit's have been happening more often in the past week Dec 16 22:04:04 ka6sox: dtzWill: rwhitby: oil: PuffTheMagic: egaudet: haha ok the rest. HI! Dec 16 22:04:34 * scoutcamper has figured out the 2012 Apocalypse, IRC wil have a PERMANANT NETSPLIT Dec 16 22:04:41 Jack87, hi Dec 16 22:04:53 hi scoutcamper! Dec 16 22:06:36 do any of the free twitter clients support lists? Dec 16 22:06:48 spaz Dec 16 22:07:03 i have that and see no lists Dec 16 22:07:36 PuffTheMagic, ask dkdsgn on twitter, he is trying them all Dec 16 22:08:31 none support lists well Dec 16 22:09:02 is that a new feature or something? Dec 16 22:09:20 PuffTheMagic, just unpopular Dec 16 22:09:55 well i just found out about them today, seems like a great way to organize groups of people Dec 16 22:10:52 * Jack87 thinks people are speaking greek Dec 16 22:11:18 что? Dec 16 22:12:33 rsanchez1_, ??? Dec 16 22:13:08 how can lists be unpopular? Dec 16 22:13:27 scoutcamper: did you see ??? Dec 16 22:13:31 people say -way- too much over the course of a day, I need to filter! :P Dec 16 22:13:33 yes Dec 16 22:14:12 oh, how unfortunate Dec 16 22:14:47 что? Dec 16 22:14:54 haha Dec 16 22:15:13 ты понимаешь? Dec 16 22:15:26 rsanchez1_> ты понимаешь? Dec 16 22:15:54 ... Dec 16 22:16:17 anyone use a Drobo? Dec 16 22:45:06 hey what was that windows bassed command line program called that runs commands on your webos device i forgot Dec 16 22:45:34 you know via USB in Dev mode.. it was released by palm i believe Dec 16 22:46:47 novaterm... thats what it was Dec 16 23:26:29 I just had to complete redo my phone, what's the standard way to tether a laptop to the palm pre now? (wired, not wireless) Dec 16 23:26:51 I use a kensington lock Dec 16 23:27:02 I use string Dec 16 23:27:20 * halfhalo uses velcro Dec 16 23:27:29 ha Dec 16 23:27:32 jhowirc: string's not really wired though Dec 16 23:27:39 unless it's wire string Dec 16 23:27:56 nn7: it depends on your carrier and device Dec 16 23:27:56 there you go Dec 16 23:28:13 oops, I left that out Dec 16 23:28:18 I have a palm pre plus on verizon Dec 16 23:28:50 does plugging it in via usb and turning on mobile hotspot count? Dec 16 23:29:11 I don't know Dec 16 23:29:35 previously I had to use some freetether program to turn on the ip forwarding Dec 16 23:29:38 or something Dec 16 23:29:51 but it was some alpha application that doesn't seem to have ever been updated Dec 16 23:32:27 yup Dec 16 23:32:31 alpha Dec 16 23:32:52 probably written by a drunk pirate Dec 16 23:33:15 haha Dec 16 23:33:38 damn drunk pirates... always crashing their boats.... Dec 16 23:34:18 nn7, not only did i never update freetether, i never released it Dec 16 23:34:26 :D Dec 16 23:34:33 but it worked well Dec 16 23:34:42 but i real release will be out in a few days Dec 16 23:35:44 * oilsworkn hopes the interface mockup makes it in as an easter egg Dec 16 23:35:48 :) Dec 16 23:35:58 ok, I'll just add the testing feed Dec 16 23:40:04 oilsworkn, that horse is pretty dead Dec 16 23:40:13 horse murderer Dec 16 23:40:32 * oilsworkn keeps kicking it Dec 16 23:42:29 oilsworkn, you mean beating right? Dec 16 23:42:40 * oilsworkn shoots it Dec 16 23:43:06 hmm.. adding the testing feed failed Dec 16 23:43:18 its not in the testing feed Dec 16 23:43:21 nor will it be Dec 16 23:43:49 "ERROR: Command filed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-GyaOsV Http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/arm7/Packages.gz' Dec 16 23:43:57 PuffTheMagic: did you remove it? Dec 16 23:44:11 the old one wont help you Dec 16 23:44:15 and the new one isnt going thre Dec 16 23:44:31 why is this all so cryptic Dec 16 23:44:33 nn7: your URL is not correct Dec 16 23:44:46 the old one worked fine until I had to swap my phone out for a new one Dec 16 23:44:48 nn7, its armv7 Dec 16 23:44:52 not arm7 Dec 16 23:45:09 ahh... thanks Dec 16 23:46:30 PuffTheMagic: why won't the old one help me? Dec 16 23:46:54 nn7, u were the one that came in here that said it no longer worked for you Dec 16 23:47:16 * halfhalo gets the popcorn and sets up shop Dec 16 23:47:35 halfhalo, thats rwhitby phrase Dec 16 23:47:37 u cant use it Dec 16 23:47:56 I just looked through the log, I don't see where I said it didn't work Dec 16 23:48:06 in fact I said nothing like that Dec 16 23:48:08 lol Dec 16 23:49:08 I simply said it was in testing and hadn't been updated. I installed in nearly a year ago. I came in here to ask if there was a newer, more modern way of doing it Dec 16 23:49:30 it's like saying "I've been using IE3, I just got a new computer, what's a better way to browse the internet" Dec 16 23:49:47 no, there isnt Dec 16 23:49:52 ok thanks! Dec 16 23:50:02 upgrade to netscape! Dec 16 23:50:09 weee! Dec 16 23:50:12 although it looks like freetether isn't in testing anymore Dec 16 23:50:44 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/us.ryanhope.freetether_0.0.1_all.ipk Dec 16 23:50:45 infobot ate it. He'll poop out a new version eventually Dec 16 23:50:54 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/us.ryanhope.freetetherd_0.0.3_armv7.ipk Dec 16 23:51:29 freetetherd says that freetether uses the freetetherd, but doesn't imply that it is a replacement for it Dec 16 23:51:43 nor should it Dec 16 23:51:48 freetetherd is not a replacement Dec 16 23:51:52 its the service for the freetether app Dec 16 23:51:52 "So far, only freeTether uses this service." Dec 16 23:52:04 * rwhitby wonders where freetether{a,b,c} got to Dec 16 23:52:13 any idea where I can find the freetether app? Dec 16 23:52:15 * oilsworkn believes d was for daemon Dec 16 23:52:25 or it got a d in school Dec 16 23:52:29 like it used to be wircd Dec 16 23:52:41 it has taken me over 30 minutes to get an answer to this question so far Dec 16 23:52:52 does anyone here do wired tethering between a palm pre and their laptop? Dec 16 23:53:01 no Dec 16 23:53:05 * oilsworkn doesnt Dec 16 23:54:00 uh uh Dec 16 23:56:58 nope Dec 16 23:57:31 * rwhitby uses a GSM Pre on a carrier that is not facist, so the built-in mobile hotspot just works Dec 16 23:57:41 lol Dec 16 23:57:55 my mobile hotspot works, and it's free, but it kills the battery quick Dec 16 23:58:13 um, you're asking for a wired tethering solution, right? Dec 16 23:58:15 rwhitby: but doesn't your carrier have crappy data plans though? Dec 16 23:58:28 nn7: like, wired as in the phone charges from the laptop Dec 16 23:58:31 lets see now...2 radios...going full blast...YUP...that'd drain a battery fast. Dec 16 23:58:32 just hook it up usb to charge it and use it over wifi Dec 16 23:58:48 oilsworkn: I don't know, it's unlimited data Dec 16 23:58:59 ka6sox: true, the overall power consumption will be larger Dec 16 23:59:03 oilsworkn: doesn't get enough juice from USB to remain charged Dec 16 23:59:30 nn7: i prefixed my question about crappy data to rwhitby :) Dec 16 23:59:41 ahh Dec 16 23:59:44 oilsworkn: I mainly use the hotspot app to do HAWX over wifi with my son's Pre Dec 16 23:59:52 ah Dec 17 00:00:06 hotspot app is awesome for ad-hoc mobile networks amongst family webOS devices Dec 17 00:00:07 nn7: then plug it into the wall? Dec 17 00:00:12 it gives more power then usb Dec 17 00:00:29 yeah, plug it into the wall, next to your ISP wired network connection ;) Dec 17 00:00:30 oilsworkn: yeah, that's possible, or I could install freetether and use wired tethering Dec 17 00:00:42 then do it :) Dec 17 00:01:04 that's the reason I'm here, I want to install freetether Dec 17 00:01:05 oilsworkn: we need a "Just do it ..." patch Dec 17 00:01:17 nn7: oilsworkn gave you the two URLs above Dec 17 00:01:33 that's to a daemon that freetether uses, not the freetether app Dec 17 00:01:46 look again Dec 17 00:01:49 oh crap, he did link the app Dec 17 00:02:12 :) Dec 17 00:02:31 nn7: we're not usually this sarcastic ;) Dec 17 00:02:32 my work here is done, time to go home Dec 17 00:03:03 rwhitby: it's IRC, I expect a simple question to require about an hour of back and forth, doesn't matter which channel or what subject Dec 17 00:03:40 hmm pre2 reports mouse events differently Dec 17 00:03:49 not sure if it's the screen that's more accurate or b/c of webos 2.0 Dec 17 00:03:49 "how do I copy a file in windows?" "Have you tried it on a mac?" "What color is your monitor?" "Why would you want to copy a file?" "My uncle tried to copy a file once, the moon blew up" Dec 17 00:04:00 but that was unexpected. Dec 17 00:04:54 nn7: you've captured the essence of IRC pretty well just there Dec 17 00:05:27 nn7: trust me it does get enough juice to remain charged.. just slowly charged Dec 17 00:06:13 Jack87: yes and no, depends on what else you're doing with it Dec 17 00:06:32 Jack87: I watched it slowly discharge until it died, it was a sad realization Dec 17 00:06:54 nn7: damn i dont think i have enough time to watch it slowly discharge.. Dec 17 00:07:34 dare I ask how to install this ipk file or should I just trust google? Dec 17 00:07:36 dtzWill: does this mean back to the drawing board for you when it comes to the games? Dec 17 00:07:54 Jack87: nah, actually it makes using on-screen controller much better imo Dec 17 00:08:06 Jack87: but the menus etc, have code that detects what is a tap and what is not Dec 17 00:08:12 nn7, copy to the usb partition and use preware to install Dec 17 00:08:17 nn7: there are a number of ways.. take your pick precentral has tons of walk through articles as well Dec 17 00:08:27 Jack87: and that's broken b/c unless you tap *perfectly* it things you dragged, since on all the other devices there was no reason for a tap tolerance Dec 17 00:08:28 I pulled it into /tmp with wget, is there a cli method? Dec 17 00:08:55 nn7, look at the preware homebrew documentation app for this stuff Dec 17 00:08:57 dtzWill: i see... why do they care for a tap tolerance now? Dec 17 00:09:41 scoutcamper: trying that, so far google gives me, "NOTE THAT THIS PAGE IS OBSOLETE, AND CONTAINS INCORRECT INFORMATION FOR WEBOS 1.3.5 OR LATER" Dec 17 00:09:51 Jack87: oh I just mean, like in the rom selector. given the input events my app gets, how does it know if a user meant to 'click' on a rom (with the intent of playing it) Dec 17 00:09:58 vs trying to scroll the rom selector thingy Dec 17 00:09:58 nn7: check this out http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Dec 17 00:10:11 if you put finger down, move it, then you're scrolling Dec 17 00:10:14 except this new screen Dec 17 00:10:21 nn7: "Preware Homebrew Documentation" is an app in the app catalog, not a wiki page. Dec 17 00:10:32 dtzWill: roger Dec 17 00:10:35 unless you are intense about tapping quickly with no movement..... it reports thta you're dragging Dec 17 00:10:42 anyway nbd at all hehe just unexpected. Dec 17 00:13:55 ug, so I have to install documentation on the phone and scroll through it to find out how to install an ipk? Dec 17 00:14:28 use preware or palm-install from your pc Dec 17 00:14:50 ahhh.. there a ipkg program that installs ipk's Dec 17 00:14:51 you dont have too, no, copy the .ipk to the usb mode of the phone, then open preware, and in the oull down menu, click insytall apps, select the app and click ok Dec 17 00:14:55 just didn't want to answer the question Dec 17 00:16:25 egaudet: palm-install requires SDK eh? Dec 17 00:16:40 Jack87, yep Dec 17 00:17:05 egaudet: not all .ipks will successfully palm-install Dec 17 00:17:08 palm-install requires novacom which is part of the sdk for non-linux users :) Dec 17 00:17:19 egaudet: safest is palm-install preware, then use preware for all else after that Dec 17 00:17:22 rwhitby, oh right I forgot about dinosaurs Dec 17 00:17:34 nn7: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/IPKG_Service Dec 17 00:17:51 zomg no Dec 17 00:18:00 Jack87: absolutely not Dec 17 00:18:16 Preware -> app menu -> install package -> file:///tmp/my.ipk game over Dec 17 00:18:33 rwhitby: why is that? Dec 17 00:18:39 its old and busted Dec 17 00:18:42 Jack87, that is extreme! Dec 17 00:18:46 that's at least 100 years old Dec 17 00:18:51 and old and busted :D Dec 17 00:18:54 still using -o /var heh Dec 17 00:18:57 * rwhitby marks the page appropriately Dec 17 00:19:11 haha oh right /var! Dec 17 00:19:51 Jack87: it's very simple. 1) Install Preware, 2) Use "Install Package" menu item in Preware. Dec 17 00:22:17 rwhitby: this shiould be fun fact of the day Dec 17 00:24:21 Jack87: and for 1), I personally recommend the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the official app catalog, for obvious biased reasons :) Dec 17 00:24:35 * halfhalo has that app Dec 17 00:24:57 rwhitby: Hehe understood... nn7 go get homebrew documentation app :) Dec 17 00:26:06 WOOT! Dec 17 00:26:17 exactly one hour after I came into the channel Dec 17 00:26:21 freetether installed Dec 17 00:26:42 it's a new record :) Dec 17 00:26:42 nn7: did you install freetetherd? no a, b, or c Dec 17 00:26:55 I installed the daemon and the app Dec 17 00:27:02 :) Dec 17 00:27:16 now tether Dec 17 00:28:18 tman, ping? Dec 17 00:28:46 oh well...sayonara. Dec 17 00:29:12 big words Dec 17 00:36:14 * scoutcamper pokes halfhalo and says new topic Dec 17 00:39:48 * scoutcamper pokes anyone for a new topic Dec 17 00:41:09 marshmellows Dec 17 00:42:13 * scoutcamper just microwaved some marshmellows., never as good as flame cooking them, but still good. Dec 17 00:49:28 are we seriously talking marshmallows in webos-internals? Dec 17 00:49:46 >.> Dec 17 00:50:50 * scoutcamper goes to play new tron game Dec 17 00:51:36 destinal-pre: not yet Dec 17 00:53:48 :p Dec 17 01:56:59 webos world pre 2 sprint ... Dec 17 02:03:25 wouldnt that be fantasm Dec 17 02:09:38 * halfhalo has bluray drive Dec 17 02:13:45 oh nice... maybe I'll get brave enough to try to make a verizon one Dec 17 02:26:24 dumped? Dec 17 02:32:22 so, whos going to see tron tomorrow Dec 17 02:32:33 I'm seeing tron tonight Dec 17 02:32:59 I'm not, see, that defeats the purpose of seeing the 10:45am show Dec 17 02:33:07 which is go see a movie instead of doing work Dec 17 02:34:06 at least I dont have to worry about my timesheet, since I'm just going to make that up later Dec 17 02:34:12 lol Dec 17 02:36:21 * halfhalo watched the original at work today Dec 17 02:37:27 it twas funny Dec 17 02:38:08 I maintain that if I was not supposed to watch hulu/netflix/movies at work there would not be the wall panel for the projector next to where I sit Dec 17 02:38:32 that's a good argument Dec 17 02:38:41 Its a great arguement Dec 17 02:38:50 it has served me well Dec 17 02:39:42 my work is way too small for a projector...maybe I'll bring mine in when the boss is on vacation the week after next Dec 17 02:39:44 Well that, and the fact I has superfast internets to stream stuff off of Dec 17 02:39:52 my boss was spazzing today Dec 17 02:39:58 no sleep apparently Dec 17 02:43:28 tomorrow im gonna wake up an read all the stuff saying tron sucked BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE IT IS 3 HOURS OF ME GETTING PAID FOR WATCHING A MOVIE Dec 17 02:44:27 movie ticket is free as well **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 17 02:59:59 2010