**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 20 02:59:58 2010 Dec 20 03:08:10 RMind, so u are back to 035? Dec 20 04:25:18 lol Dec 20 04:25:21 wham on glee Dec 20 04:36:10 PuffTheMagic: yes I'm back on 035 Dec 20 04:50:45 Hi :) Dec 20 05:31:55 for the download manager, does setting max speed to 0 make it unlimited or do you need to just set a ridiculously high limit? and does it actually change anything for real? Dec 20 05:45:31 Well, the patch sets MaxRecvSpeed to -1 Dec 20 05:45:43 i guess that'll do it then Dec 20 05:48:34 also it sets MaxQueueLength to 128 and MaxConcurrent to 2 Dec 20 05:48:54 hrmm .. maxconcurrent stays default to 2 ? Dec 20 05:48:56 interesting Dec 20 05:52:23 this webmyth thing is not working Dec 20 05:59:43 okay... now it's working Dec 20 09:07:14 good morning^^ Dec 20 18:12:05 quick question? does anybody know if it's possible to ssh to a proxy to run all of ur internet usage through the tunnel on WebOS? Dec 20 18:12:50 there is a vpn client in preware that I haven't used Dec 20 18:13:32 I was able to connect to my server athome via the Terminal app. but I am unsure if it is possible to run all internet requests through the tunnel just opened. Dec 20 18:16:18 I think the VPN client just allows you to control a computer not actually tunnel through that network via a proxy. Dec 20 18:17:19 That'd be VNC, not VPN. VPN by its very nature is so you can tunnel through a proxy. Dec 20 18:17:25 Hence the virtual private network. P: Dec 20 18:18:06 ah... I appoligize. great idea. thank you soooo much guys much appreciated. Dec 20 18:19:22 webos 2.0 has vpn built in Dec 20 18:19:28 The one in Preware lets you connect via OpenVPN, I think... The one in 2.x does IPSEC and Cisco. Dec 20 18:19:56 yeah I think you're right..it's been awhile since I looked at that Dec 20 18:22:27 It's a bummer though, IPSEC and Cisco are like, way hard to set up from what I can tell. :p Dec 20 18:28:07 hey guys Dec 20 19:36:44 Hi everyone.. Dec 20 19:37:11 4 failed logins since last login. <-- Who the hell would like to impersonate me? and why??? :S Dec 20 19:38:37 probably someone who likes your name Dec 20 19:39:39 hehehe.. I feel important ;) Dec 20 22:15:30 http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/12/its-not-rooting-its-openness.html Dec 20 22:17:51 "until carriers and manufacturers provide an easy method to legitimately unlock devices..." Dec 20 22:17:56 Hmm, sounds familiar... Dec 20 22:20:19 rsanchez1: yeah, somehow palm managed it without hurdles. I wonder if the need for locked down devices is totally imaginary Dec 20 22:21:26 destinal-work: thx for the link Dec 20 22:21:27 well, what reasons do the carriers give for wanting to lock down devices? Dec 20 22:21:40 Basically it boils down to protecting the network. Dec 20 22:21:51 and the users Dec 20 22:22:03 surely they can identify who is abusing the network and punish people individually Dec 20 22:22:20 and everyone using homebrew stuff on webOS is told repeatedly that they're taking a risk Dec 20 22:22:26 I think it's more along the lines of "if we let people do/install whatever we're at the mercy of whatever" Dec 20 22:22:31 granted, not all of them listen, but there will alway be people like that Dec 20 22:22:37 rwhitby: locking down the devices as in protecting them from the users doesn't make sense wrt protecting the users Dec 20 22:22:55 destinal-work: protecting the users from their own stupidity Dec 20 22:22:58 When someone releases a TOTALLY SWEET MESSAGING APP that actually is like, a huge bot net bandwidth hog doing dumb P2P discovery etc Dec 20 22:23:34 destinal-work: (where locking the device is the manufacturer's poor attempt at security) Dec 20 22:23:36 rwhitby: ah. yeah, some people should not have root on their own PC's :) Dec 20 22:23:55 no I don't believe that but I get the feeling Dec 20 22:24:04 I don't get why everyone always goes for a blanket solution first instead of targeting the problem Dec 20 22:24:17 for phones it's locking the device instead of going after individual abusers Dec 20 22:24:18 rsanchez1: usually it's due to the lawyers involved Dec 20 22:24:31 stupid lawyers, messing everything up Dec 20 22:24:46 no, stupid people litigating each other Dec 20 22:24:56 it's all a great mess Dec 20 22:24:59 no lawsuits == no lawyers Dec 20 22:25:08 rwhitby: I wonder if personal computing ever would have happened the way it did if we had today's legal climate back then. Dec 20 22:25:33 lawyers, like sex workers, are just people meeting demand with supply Dec 20 22:25:46 haha, yeah that's true Dec 20 22:26:48 and now supposedly there's talk of increasing internet regulation to make sure wikileaks doesn't happen again Dec 20 22:27:03 just secure your stuff, don't punish the rest of the internet for your inability to keep secrets Dec 20 22:27:25 yup Dec 20 22:27:48 rsanchez1: the only way to stop something like wikileaks entirely is to totally supress freedom of speech, so I'm sure that'll be nextr Dec 20 22:27:56 in the name of protecting national security Dec 20 22:28:03 well, according to US senate representatives the solution to that one is assassinations by the US government isn't it? Dec 20 22:28:51 net neutrality my rear end Dec 20 22:29:41 rwhitby: I thought that was a canadian saying we should send out a hit squad Dec 20 22:34:39 destinal-work: what can we use on webOS for a whitelisting outgoing firewall ? Dec 20 22:36:42 "Application wants to access , and is sending to it. Allow it? " (originally oil's idea) Dec 20 22:37:04 destinal-work: is there a good iptables recipe for that? Dec 20 22:40:31 I froze wirc Dec 20 22:41:08 iptables doesn't support fqdn, does it? I thought it only did ip addresses Dec 20 22:41:46 destinal-work: it was a Canadian, yes Dec 20 22:42:05 I accidentally hit "away" instead of "favorite channels" and now the main wirc card is frozen on the menu thingy :( Dec 20 22:42:40 that happens to me all the time Dec 20 22:42:45 it must be a known bug, right? Dec 20 22:42:58 me too :) Dec 20 22:43:04 potentially? I haven't had a chance to look into it yet Dec 20 22:43:30 is there a bugzilla thing for webos stuff? Dec 20 22:44:12 rwhitby: hmmm, I don't know how you'd do it with iptables Dec 20 22:44:51 rwhitby: I know someone wrapped lunasysmgr in transparant socks via tsocks, a similar approach could work here Dec 20 22:46:07 still not sure how you'd know which app was doing it though, it's all luna to the system Dec 20 22:46:19 until it's node or some other service I Imagine Dec 20 22:48:54 rwhitby: though, with LD_PRELOAD tricks... hmm Dec 21 00:39:39 hey hey! has anyone received the pre2 discount coupons from HP? Dec 21 00:41:21 also, what is the status of the frankendoctor? Dec 21 00:46:07 yep, our webos-internals devs got coupons last week. Dec 21 00:46:24 no new progress on frankendoctor Dec 21 00:50:05 great news on the phones. I guess we have to wait for official support of older devices. How's the keyyboard on the Pre2 compared to the Pre Plus? Dec 21 02:26:15 Will metadoctor work with the new doctors? Dec 21 02:36:48 * Davide-NYC arghh I need some new Palm HW yesterday! (sorry) Dec 21 02:37:09 Frustrated with the speed of some of these wonderful little phones. Dec 21 02:37:21 (or lack thereof) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 21 02:59:58 2010