**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 26 02:59:56 2010
Dec 26 03:07:31 <bhuey> folks I just wrote a 5 minute patch to remove the visual transitions in the messaging app
Dec 26 03:08:11 <bhuey> it's not nearly as annoying now and I was wondering what the easist way of getting it to a form that other folks can use other than a raw diff ?
Dec 26 03:13:23 <rwhitby> bhuey: patches.webosinternals.org
Dec 26 03:16:01 <bhuey> rwhitby: says your link is broken
Dec 26 03:16:34 <bhuey> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS
Dec 26 03:16:35 <bhuey> ?
Dec 26 03:17:11 <rwhitby> bhuey: what link?
Dec 26 03:17:28 <bhuey> rwhitby: the one you just posted to me
Dec 26 03:17:30 <rwhitby> oh, http://patches.webos-internals.org is the correct URL
Dec 26 03:18:37 <bhuey> it'll need review but there doesn't seem like much can go on htere
Dec 26 03:18:38 <bhuey> there
Dec 26 03:18:41 <bhuey> here that's bad
Dec 26 03:18:47 <bhuey> two line patch
Dec 26 03:42:19 <bhuey> rwhitby: submitted, thanks
Dec 26 03:50:43 <bhuey> shit, it'll need to be revised
Dec 26 04:22:03 <destinal> rwhitby:  I just made the 1.4.5 sdk novacomd work with pre2 in a way that works fine if you don't have a pre+ you also need to use
Dec 26 04:22:22 <destinal> @ 0x58064  --  find  30 08 03 80   (0x8030: 0x8003),  (the pre+ device id)  and replace with 30 08 42 80   (0x8030: 0x8042)   (pre2 id)
Dec 26 04:22:49 <destinal> err linux sdk novacomd 32-bit version that is
Dec 26 04:24:17 <destinal> if I had a list of all the product id's used by Palm I could probably find one that was never released to retail so we could use both Pre+ and Pre2 on the same novacomd
Dec 26 04:34:10 * halfhalo has crap wifi's
Dec 26 04:35:13 <halfhalo> about a tenth of what I get over powerline
Dec 26 04:35:43 <gkatsev> you use powerline networking?
Dec 26 04:35:54 <gkatsev> why not get a better wifi router?
Dec 26 04:36:31 <halfhalo> wifi does not really reach my room
Dec 26 04:36:44 <halfhalo> and I have really nice routers
Dec 26 04:37:17 <gkatsev> repeater?
Dec 26 04:37:39 <halfhalo> The belkin powerline hd adapters work nicely though.  Not gigabit, but they can hit 100Mb/s both directions
Dec 26 04:37:56 <gkatsev> thats pretty good
Dec 26 04:38:02 <destinal> rwhitby: heh, so I may have missed bootie, taking one more pass at it
Dec 26 04:38:11 <halfhalo> I have a repeater, but it doesn't work as well as the powerline
Dec 26 04:38:19 <gkatsev> heh
Dec 26 04:38:59 <halfhalo> I have a wired repeater normally active, but its unplugged due to my recabling stuff
Dec 26 04:39:39 <destinal> does anyone have any kind of list of the product and vendor ID's of the various devices, or at least what pre+ uses for now?
Dec 26 04:40:13 <destinal> 0x8030: 0x8003  is pre+ in nova,   but I'm not sure what it is in bootie
Dec 26 04:40:20 <halfhalo> tell me how to find it and I will look it up on my pre+
Dec 26 04:41:01 <destinal> halfhalo: can you boot into recovery mode with vol up and then on a linux box connected to it, lsusb -v
Dec 26 04:41:05 <destinal> look for "bootie"
Dec 26 04:41:16 * halfhalo goes to dig out the netbook
Dec 26 04:43:29 <halfhalo> ok, who would do something like this..... theres a password on it
Dec 26 04:43:45 <destinal> halfhalo: on your netbook?
Dec 26 04:43:51 <halfhalo> yeah
Dec 26 04:44:03 <destinal> lol, no idea
Dec 26 04:44:46 <destinal> halfhalo: oh you'll need sudo lsusb -v   I think
Dec 26 04:44:53 * halfhalo IS root
Dec 26 04:44:58 <destinal> :)
Dec 26 04:47:22 * halfhalo fails at volup apparently
Dec 26 04:48:12 <destinal> halfhalo: eh?  just power off and hold down volup while plugging in usb
Dec 26 04:48:19 <halfhalo> I _did_
Dec 26 04:48:25 <destinal> :-/
Dec 26 04:48:32 <destinal> bizarro world?
Dec 26 04:48:59 <destinal> halfhalo: you can always boot into regular webos, novaterm in and   "tellbootie recover"
Dec 26 04:49:21 <halfhalo> this assumes novaterm is installed
Dec 26 04:49:31 <destinal> uh, yeah
Dec 26 04:49:52 <destinal> or novacom open tty://
Dec 26 04:50:03 <destinal> or ssh in
Dec 26 04:50:04 <halfhalo> this netbook is never, ever used
Dec 26 04:50:11 <halfhalo> it doesn't have ANYTHING
Dec 26 04:51:09 <halfhalo> THERE we go
Dec 26 04:51:39 <destinal> halfhalo: poor neglected netbook  :P
Dec 26 04:52:03 <halfhalo> only thing its used for right now is linux
Dec 26 04:52:07 <halfhalo> and that is going away
Dec 26 05:10:25 <destinal> ok   trying  30 08 01 80   -> 30 08 41 80    and  30 08 02 80   -> 30 08 42 80
Dec 26 05:38:20 <destinal> cool, works
Dec 26 05:38:41 <halfhalo> sweet
Dec 26 05:39:13 <destinal> some pre+'s may not though with that binary so it would be good to break out the list and get a list of all the retail ID's so we know what's internal only and can be changed without modifying assembly language code (just editing the table in the binary)
Dec 26 05:40:12 <halfhalo> yup
Dec 26 05:41:39 <destinal> something tells me if the public 2.x.x sdk is still a ways off people will find this kind of binpatch really handy
Dec 26 05:45:24 <destinal> ugh, one more fail :(   usb passthrough
Dec 26 05:45:33 <destinal> for modem update
Dec 26 05:46:43 <destinal> hmm, it continues anyway after a minute or so,  maybe not a huge deal
Dec 26 05:48:27 <destinal> I could be wrong about it being an issue at all, might be a normal pause
Dec 26 06:11:02 <NuttyBunny> hi, happy holidays :D
Dec 26 06:15:47 <lingfish> Hi, you too... mine would be better if my Pre 2 had arrived :/
Dec 26 06:16:00 <torchie> what is going ON in here
Dec 26 06:16:33 <destinal> torchie: not much, besides me hacking the linux novacomd in 1.4.5 to talk to pre2
Dec 26 06:16:47 <torchie> ooh
Dec 26 06:17:05 <destinal> not sure how to distribute the patch, I don't usually work with binary patches
Dec 26 06:18:14 <destinal> also it overwrites the pre+ id so if you want to use both a pre+ and a pre2 on the same linux box it's less than ideal -- we should figure out all the usb ids
Dec 26 06:52:44 <scoutcamper> hey, for anyone who is interested http://reddinglights.com/Preware/index.php
Dec 26 06:55:38 * oil sees no screenshot, and the drawers do not work
Dec 26 07:02:35 <cryptk> I get screenshots (although they aren't the right size for the boarder images at the top/bottom), and drawers do not work...
Dec 26 07:09:46 <rwhitby> scoutcamper: You're fully testing this on Firefox, Chrome, IE and Safari before asking others to look at it, right?
Dec 26 07:16:23 <scoutcamper> rwhitby, they are workign 100% on ie6-8, chrome, firefox, and safari on my windows 7
Dec 26 07:16:55 <rwhitby> with correctly sized and aligned screenshots and working drawers?
Dec 26 07:16:56 <scoutcamper> oil cryptk, what browser do you use?
Dec 26 07:17:01 <oil> chrome
Dec 26 07:17:13 <scoutcamper> rwhitby, screenshots yes, drawres no
Dec 26 07:18:04 <scoutcamper> cryptk, i see what you are seeing now, my page cche still existed, interesting
Dec 26 07:20:27 <scoutcamper> oil, try clearing your page cache, ctrl+F5
Dec 26 07:20:34 <oil> i do each time
Dec 26 07:20:50 <scoutcamper> hmmm
Dec 26 08:03:59 <ajay> hola!
Dec 26 08:05:37 <ajay> damn that was random that my pre just locked up.. hrmm..
Dec 26 08:07:03 <ajay> i hoped between novaterm (restart luna), 'reboot', opt-sym-r and ringer switch i'd never have to do a battery pull again. guess i was wrong. (I don't have a power button)
Dec 26 08:09:03 <destinal> ajay: no power button?
Dec 26 08:09:14 <ajay> destinal: it's trendier to not have a power button
Dec 26 08:09:42 <destinal> ajay: so you have to plug into usb to turn your device on from battery pull?
Dec 26 08:09:43 <ajay> all the cool kids are dropping their pres while biking to ensure they lose their entire power button infrastructure (including the solenoid)
Dec 26 08:10:05 <destinal> ajay: indeed, quite the fashion this year
Dec 26 08:10:16 <ajay> destinal: isn't that hot? usually usb==the wall, but yeah. I'm pretty damn glad it does that!
Dec 26 08:10:54 <destinal> ajay: if it were me, I'd probably greenwire the traces to a custom button on the side.
Dec 26 08:11:11 <ajay> I might have complained before (like, maybe I'd say i wanted it off and charging is why i turned it off, but oh, i'm pretty excited about it!)
Dec 26 08:11:19 <ajay> destinal: Hm.. sounds clunky?
Dec 26 08:12:08 <ajay> but an interesting idea, building a power button i mean. i just bought a water-damaged pre off craigslist ($35, prob too much) and was planning on surgery
Dec 26 08:12:15 <ajay> but the surgery is more involved than i had expected.
Dec 26 08:12:24 <ajay> oh few, after battery pull it came back! hot damn
Dec 26 08:14:08 <ajay> it's pretty tough to hit that power button for 5 seconds to do a poweron/off, so a new powerbutton, however possible, would be nice.
Dec 26 08:14:59 <rwhitby> ajay: yeah, you'll need to do a camera board swap for the power button
Dec 26 08:15:42 <ajay> rwhitby: camera board?  It looked like there was a small portion I could take?
Dec 26 08:16:09 <rwhitby> ajay: I haven't seen a way to separate that bit from the rest of the camera board
Dec 26 08:18:50 <ajay> rwhitby: Hmm, ok, i guess i misremembered, since pics online seem to bear out what you say.
Dec 26 08:19:23 <ajay> I was hoping to swap out the power button without dealing with electronics, since that stuff's probably all water damaged.
Dec 26 08:19:48 <ajay> and it sucks the lcd is 1-unit, and tied with electronics, since i was hoping to do a "top screen" swapout as well. :(
Dec 26 08:20:16 <ajay> (since i've got a couple of dents in the lcd) bah
Dec 26 08:20:50 <ajay> i also do want a new usb port since mine's flakey.. i know, almost sounds like what i want is a new phone huh? heh
Dec 26 08:21:33 <ajay> rwhitby: haha! Without realizing it i pulled up your flickr pix!! :)
Dec 26 08:25:03 <ajay> rwhitby: they use CDMA in Oz?
Dec 26 08:33:09 <noradtux_> morning
Dec 26 08:33:28 <ajay> oh its a sprint phone.. were you able to put that back together afterwards? impressive regardless!
Dec 26 08:33:48 <ajay> noradtux_: morning!
Dec 26 08:34:01 <ajay> its like most people here are abroad or somethin!
Dec 26 08:34:10 <noradtux> could it be that the precentral ipkg feed is broken?
Dec 26 08:34:39 <rwhitby> noradtux: it was, but Dieter said it should be fixed by now
Dec 26 08:35:15 <noradtux> well, it serves some packages, but it doesn't contain stuff like internalz
Dec 26 08:36:25 <rwhitby> ah, that's probably due to parse errors in the control file - watch /var/log/messages as Preware parses the package info
Dec 26 08:36:37 <rwhitby> if so, report it to JayCanuck so he can fix it in the package
Dec 26 08:37:26 <noradtux> well, I have that problem with about half of my packages
Dec 26 08:37:36 <ajay> is WebOS Internals all male?
Dec 26 08:38:11 <rwhitby> the core team is, but we have had assistance on various projects from femals
Dec 26 08:38:15 <rwhitby> females even
Dec 26 08:38:37 <noradtux> and no messages from preware in the log
Dec 26 08:38:58 <rwhitby> noradtux: is it in the Packages file on ipkg.preware.org ?
Dec 26 08:39:05 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages
Dec 26 08:39:15 <noradtux> nope
Dec 26 08:40:54 <rwhitby> is it in the upstream XML feed at  http://www.precentral.net/precentral-ipkg-feed.xml ?
Dec 26 08:43:53 <noradtux> it is not
Dec 26 08:44:10 <noradtux> currently missing are agenda, internalz, keyring
Dec 26 08:44:47 <noradtux> going to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/ they are there, but I cannot download them
Dec 26 08:44:55 * oil doesnt see internalz in the xml file
Dec 26 08:45:12 <oil> or keyring, or agenda
Dec 26 08:45:21 <rwhitby> if it's not in the XML file, then it means that PreCentral has pulled them from the feed.
Dec 26 08:46:27 <oil> unfortunately, popupalerts don't get focus for text entry
Dec 26 08:46:30 <oil> its gotta be in its own scene :/
Dec 26 08:46:48 <noradtux> hmm, dieter isn't in irc, is he?
Dec 26 08:47:04 <rwhitby> no
Dec 26 08:47:25 <oil> why has precentral never gone standard format?
Dec 26 08:47:58 <rwhitby> they have no developers to create the feed apparently
Dec 26 08:48:01 <oil> that xml is just... horrid
Dec 26 08:52:28 <ajay> ah
Dec 26 08:52:29 <ajay> hah
Dec 26 09:10:01 <ajay> oo +/- for pushd/popd in bash, nice..
Dec 26 09:10:13 <ajay> (nice alias addition idea, i mean)
Dec 26 09:13:18 <ajay> omg ipkg-opt doesn't include fortune! a travesty.. ;^)
Dec 26 09:18:51 <rwhitby> ajay: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware
Dec 26 09:23:00 <ajay> rwhitby: Heh i don't know if folks would find that fun or stupid :)
Dec 26 09:23:46 <oil> rwhitby: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/zenity.git;a=commit;h=3f4403b71f38dd73c59694a4173efdc0119b7845
Dec 26 09:23:56 <ajay> but I feel like I had some other ideas for missing pkgs so thx for the tip!
Dec 26 09:24:02 <ajay> (now if I can remember..)
Dec 26 09:24:25 <rwhitby> oil: whoosh.  now it looks like I'll need to write something to drive it
Dec 26 09:24:54 <oil> works with all the options on the message dialog page
Dec 26 09:24:56 <oil> and the text entry page
Dec 26 09:25:26 <oil> if its just like --question
Dec 26 09:25:37 <oil> the launch params need to be "question":"1"
Dec 26 09:25:46 <oil> or anything truthy instead of 1, really
Dec 26 09:26:06 <oil> its not handling responses yet
Dec 26 09:26:08 <rwhitby> like "question":true ?
Dec 26 09:26:10 <oil> since there is nothing to respond to
Dec 26 09:26:13 <oil> yeah, that should work also
Dec 26 09:28:19 <oil> still gotta get some of the "general" options in there
Dec 26 09:28:23 <oil> like height and timeout
Dec 26 09:28:27 <oil> width is pointless
Dec 26 09:28:29 <oil> and window-icon
Dec 26 09:28:30 <ajay> i'm updating my ~/.bash_profile after not having touched it for years by looking at another's, and.. wow! I didn't realize how much was missing from my bash environment on my device, so many things that are usually just preset for me!
Dec 26 09:31:28 <oil> ohh, --notification will be easy :)
Dec 26 09:31:35 <oil> file selection dialog we alreay have
Dec 26 09:32:34 <oil> so add file selection stuff to the service you create :)
Dec 26 09:32:42 <oil> bring it over from preware
Dec 26 09:32:49 <rwhitby> ok
Dec 26 09:34:01 <rwhitby> it will be an interesting service.  it starts, connects to ls2, sends a launch, waits for a message, acks the message, closes the ls2 connection and then exits.
Dec 26 09:34:17 <oil> lol
Dec 26 09:34:34 <rwhitby> I wonder if there is a smarter way to do it ...
Dec 26 09:34:42 <oil> i dont know
Dec 26 09:35:03 <rwhitby> maybe build it into ipkgservice somehow
Dec 26 09:35:25 <rwhitby> and merge the zenity UI code into Preware
Dec 26 09:36:01 <rwhitby> so a script could luna-send to ipkgservice, and it could send a subscription up an open channel to Preware
Dec 26 09:36:41 <rwhitby> I guess the question is whether we want this to work when Preware is not running
Dec 26 09:37:30 <oil> idk
Dec 26 09:41:06 <rwhitby> do we want some random linux process to be able to interact with the user at times other than installation and removal?
Dec 26 09:41:52 <rwhitby> I guess ipkgservice could launch Preware in "dialog-only" mode if there was no active subscription ...
Dec 26 09:44:50 <oil> depends if we want it to be specific for preware installs or generally usable
Dec 26 09:45:21 <oil> if we're going to do it with preware only, im sure we could come up with something better then this
Dec 26 09:45:38 <oil> where the feed tells preware what the package wants
Dec 26 09:46:10 <rwhitby> oil: should we do a "zenity":"question" instead of "question":true, so that it is easy to identify the zenity launch params in case we want to merge it later?
Dec 26 09:47:04 <oil> if we were going to do it just for preware installs
Dec 26 09:47:10 <oil> i wouldnt use any of the code for this
Dec 26 09:47:23 <oil> popups/new cards wouldnt be the way to go for that
Dec 26 09:48:35 <rwhitby> in general, we need a way for a service (C or node.js) to be able to create a UI and interact with the user.
Dec 26 09:48:44 <rwhitby> installation is just a special case of that.
Dec 26 09:49:23 <oil> then it shouldnt be included in preware
Dec 26 09:49:44 <rwhitby> cause we could have a node.js service which watches new connections, and asks the user if it sees something phoning home ...
Dec 26 09:51:47 <Jack87-away> hi all!
Dec 26 09:52:02 <Jack87-away> ka6sox: hello!
Dec 26 09:52:36 <oil> hey
Dec 26 09:53:36 <Jack87-away> hi oil did you have a good xmas
Dec 26 09:53:44 <oil> it was alright
Dec 26 09:54:18 <oil> rwhitby: a nodejs service could run "zenity --error --text="blah blah blah.""
Dec 26 09:55:22 <rwhitby> oil: yep, it could
Dec 26 09:59:22 <rwhitby> ok, I guess we stick with starts, connects to ls2, sends a launch, waits for a message, acks the message, closes the ls2 connection and then exits.
Dec 26 10:02:53 <ajay> ok think its late enough for tonight.. ;^)
Dec 26 10:06:18 <rwhitby> oil: can you see any error in the replace modification in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/showprops.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/assistants/main-assistant.js;h=4223f0f09ad942a7faadbba9353cb5c988b2c48c;hp=4bd4f49d5768416849324d5f732b719ad40eb03a;hb=c172aaa234a1028eb3f5b5b5f18d71f4c2b64807;hpb=ba4eb874a9a4abfae2a0079e9e1ae1d32099c53e ?
Dec 26 10:07:28 <oil> to replace " with '?
Dec 26 10:07:29 <rwhitby> oil: it's mean to replace the " in ACCELCAL with ' so that trenchcoat works
Dec 26 10:07:38 <oil> seems like it should work
Dec 26 10:07:58 <rwhitby> do I need to escape the first " or something?
Dec 26 10:08:05 <oil> shouldnt
Dec 26 10:08:42 <rwhitby> ah, just realised that's in the copy stanza instead of the email stanza
Dec 26 10:10:08 <oil> alert("don\"t".replace(/"/gi, "'"));
Dec 26 10:13:26 <rwhitby> Show Properties 0.2.3 is in the testing feed
Dec 26 10:13:54 <rwhitby> oil: if it installs and runs for you, I'll push it to public
Dec 26 10:14:20 <oil> hm?
Dec 26 10:15:29 <rwhitby> Found that quoting problem when I restored my wiped device - the ACCELCAL wasn't accepted by trenchcoat with the \" quoting
Dec 26 10:16:20 <oil> well, its got single quotes here in copy/paste into memos app
Dec 26 10:16:28 <rwhitby> good
Dec 26 12:00:26 <douth> hey there well the packages Of preware dont load On My pre2?! Is this a known problem?
Dec 26 12:05:40 <bhuey> anybody here know about the internals of synergy ?
Dec 26 12:05:57 <bhuey> I think I'm running into a corruption and I don't know how to go about fixing it
Dec 26 15:36:24 <Ice8lue> Heyho
Dec 26 19:19:12 <cryptk> hola
Dec 26 19:29:11 <halfhalo> nuzrdnjdgrz
Dec 26 19:29:40 * halfhalo dropped his kb
Dec 26 19:31:01 * halfhalo is off to buy an el cheapo ups.  Or to tape some batteries to a surge protector, amounts to the same thing
Dec 26 19:36:54 <torchie> downs
Dec 26 19:57:12 <destinal-pre> ~~~~
Dec 26 19:57:12 <infobot> ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-pre!!!
Dec 26 19:59:12 <cryptk> ~beer
Dec 26 19:59:13 * infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer))
Dec 26 20:08:41 <destinal-pre> ~seen rwhitby
Dec 26 20:08:49 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 385 messages. Is idling for 9h 52m 18s, last said: 'good'.
Dec 26 20:21:02 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 26 20:24:32 <ice8lue2> merry chrstmas @ all
Dec 26 20:24:51 <ice8lue2> (a little late, i know)
Dec 26 20:29:08 <halfhalo> ok, I have two options
Dec 26 20:29:23 <halfhalo> one, go to each computer and shut it down manually, which takes time
Dec 26 20:29:30 <halfhalo> two, pull the two surge protectors
Dec 26 20:30:39 <ice8lue2> three, ssh into them and shut them down remotely^^
Dec 26 20:32:45 <halfhalo> bah
Dec 26 20:32:52 <halfhalo> pulling it it is!
Dec 26 20:40:52 <sancho_sk> Good evening.
Dec 26 20:41:02 <ice8lue2> heyh0
Dec 26 20:41:37 <sancho_sk> Did anyone here try to make the stage out of webos internals on Ubuntu 10.10 (32bit)?
Dec 26 20:42:45 <destinal> sancho_sk: I've done it on 11.04 so I imagine it'd be fine on 10.10  :)
Dec 26 20:44:08 <nikki_> how do i get webos intall
Dec 26 20:44:18 <sancho_sk> destinal: I am having problems with finding xar package in the first place. I tried to proceed without it, but later, during making the stage, I get an error message ln: accessing `/usr/local/lib/libespeak.so': Not a directory
Dec 26 20:44:21 <nikki_> install*
Dec 26 20:44:55 <destinal> sancho_sk: ah, yeah I had that issue as well.  I think I just found xar source and built it seperately
Dec 26 20:45:18 <destinal> I didn't have the not a directory problem though
Dec 26 20:45:21 <destinal> but I didn't try without it
Dec 26 20:47:12 <sancho_sk> Hmm, I already checked I have the library, also the dev package for it, but it for some reason resides at /usr/lib, instead of /usr/local/lib. I tried to make an ln -s to the right one, but with no luck :(
Dec 26 20:49:17 <sancho_sk> destinal: And can you advice, where can I get the sources? For obvious reasons, google finds TONS of stuff for a query 'xar' :)
Dec 26 20:49:35 <destinal> sancho_sk: well scratchbox does some smoke and mirrors, the stuff it shows in /usr/local/lib isn't really in /usr/local/lib when sb2 isn't running
Dec 26 20:49:51 <destinal> it's really all the ARM built libs
Dec 26 20:50:33 <sancho_sk> Got it - so the /usr/local/lib is not the one on my system, but more or less the one on the future webos, right?
Dec 26 20:51:08 <destinal> sancho_sk: kind of, in some cases they're just stub libraries but it's intended to be enough to satisfy autoconf stuff and linking things
Dec 26 20:51:27 <destinal> usually they're the real libraries though
Dec 26 20:52:08 <sancho_sk> Thanks for the explanation. I am about to find the xar source and compile it, I'll get back with other errors :D
Dec 26 20:52:40 <destinal> sancho_sk: I think this is what you need http://freshmeat.net/projects/xar
Dec 26 20:53:06 <sancho_sk> destinal: thanks a lot...
Dec 26 20:56:16 <sancho_sk> OK, xar in place (thanks destinal), compiled and installed, but no change in the error message :(
Dec 26 20:56:18 <sancho_sk> ( sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv6 PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig ln -fs libespeak.so.1.1.44 /usr/local/lib/libespeak.so )
Dec 26 20:56:18 <sancho_sk> ln: accessing `/usr/local/lib/libespeak.so': Not a directory
Dec 26 20:56:18 <sancho_sk> make[3]: *** [build/armv6.built] Error 1
Dec 26 20:56:18 <sancho_sk> make[3]: Leaving directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/apps/espeak'
Dec 26 20:56:18 <sancho_sk> make[2]: *** [build_apps/espeak] Error 2
Dec 26 20:56:19 <sancho_sk> make[2]: Leaving directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile'
Dec 26 20:56:21 <sancho_sk> make[1]: *** [staging-armv6] Error 2
Dec 26 20:56:23 <sancho_sk> make[1]: Leaving directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile'
Dec 26 20:56:25 <sancho_sk> make: *** [stage] Error 2
Dec 26 20:56:34 <sancho_sk> Any hints?
Dec 26 21:04:57 <destinal> sancho_sk: weird
Dec 26 21:23:11 * halfhalo lost his desktop in his room
Dec 26 21:28:40 <ice8lue2> gnight guys
Dec 26 22:24:43 <datafirm> hi
Dec 26 23:29:13 <sancho_sk> Have a good night, everyone...
Dec 26 23:56:41 * halfhalo has internets!
Dec 26 23:56:55 <gkatsev> \o/
Dec 26 23:57:27 <oil> poor internet
Dec 26 23:58:11 <halfhalo> barely... moved the mac mini to a shelf under my desk instead of on top, and still have to rewire my rooms networking stuff, so its trying to squeeze all the signal strength from the main router it can
Dec 26 23:58:25 <gkatsev> can't you move the router?
Dec 26 23:58:40 <gkatsev> also, if your router supports external antennas, get bigger antennas
Dec 26 23:59:04 <gkatsev> I put 9dBi antennas on my wrt54gl (which came with 3dBi) and it definitely helped a lot
Dec 26 23:59:29 * oil prefers wired connection for devices which dont move
Dec 27 00:00:23 <gkatsev> oil: so do I. But my desktop is in my room and the router is on the otherside of the house on the first floor and I'm on the second
Dec 27 00:00:35 * oil would run a cat5 through the halls :)
Dec 27 00:00:40 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 27 00:00:56 <halfhalo> can't move the router since its at the only remaining rr cable drop in the house
Dec 27 00:01:05 <gkatsev> though the back of the house to the front and then up the stairs and then back to the back of the house?
Dec 27 00:01:05 <halfhalo> and bigger antennas it has
Dec 27 00:01:20 <gkatsev> halfhalo: well, I mean, can't you move it closer or something?
Dec 27 00:01:25 <oil> or just string it out a window and around then back in xD
Dec 27 00:01:48 <halfhalo> heh, if I stick my laptop outside my doorway I get full signal, but barely any when I pull it back in
Dec 27 00:02:45 * halfhalo can't string it through the walls nor over the roof due to his parents
Dec 27 00:03:02 <oil> just dont tell t hem
Dec 27 00:03:17 * halfhalo has a construction defect attorney as a father
Dec 27 00:03:24 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 27 00:03:32 <bpadalino> would he go over his own son?!
Dec 27 00:03:36 <bpadalino> s/over/after/
Dec 27 00:03:36 <infobot> bpadalino meant: would he go after his own son?!
Dec 27 00:03:58 <bpadalino> i can see the law and order now .. ripped from the headlines .. dun dunnnn
Dec 27 00:04:03 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 27 00:04:32 <halfhalo> he defends, but he would either rip it from the walls or off the roof and make me pay for it all
Dec 27 00:04:33 <gkatsev> oil: i'd probably want cat6 cable since it's probably 100ft to string a cable in the hallway from the router to my room
Dec 27 00:04:47 <oil> whatever :)
Dec 27 00:04:57 * halfhalo runs cat6 locally
Dec 27 00:05:57 <gkatsev> halfhalo: but cant you move the router closer to your room?
Dec 27 00:06:06 <halfhalo> nope
Dec 27 00:06:14 * oil put his computer where the router is
Dec 27 00:06:27 <jaltman> move your room closer to the router?
Dec 27 00:06:34 * halfhalo has computers where that router is.  Their just not the ones he uses regularly
Dec 27 00:06:38 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 27 00:06:42 <oil> put them all in there!
Dec 27 00:06:43 <gkatsev> that's probably easier, right jaltman ?
Dec 27 00:06:52 <jaltman> lol, uh-huh
Dec 27 00:06:54 <oil> who ever has the most computers wins!
Dec 27 00:07:17 <halfhalo> theoretically I could patch the old coax cables running along the side of the house and use moca.... but powerline works well enough
Dec 27 00:07:38 <halfhalo> you know, when its plugged in and all
Dec 27 00:07:40 <gkatsev> I have 1 desktop and 3 laptops to myself. And I have 3 more desktops downstairs though, only one is in use and by my parents
Dec 27 00:08:05 <gkatsev> halfhalo: do you have a surge protector?
Dec 27 00:08:23 <gkatsev> does the powerline adapter come with surge protection?
Dec 27 00:08:41 <halfhalo> yes, and no, and its not on the surge protector
Dec 27 00:08:53 <halfhalo> since that filters the signal out
Dec 27 00:08:59 <gkatsev> yeah, I know
Dec 27 00:09:01 * halfhalo has 4 laptops, 2 desktops, and a work mbp
Dec 27 00:09:45 <halfhalo> heh, I went from one 12 outlet surge protector to two 6 outlet + ups and have a craptop of room to expand now
Dec 27 00:09:45 <bpadalino> i have a desktop i haven't turned on in years .. might make it a linux box in the new year
Dec 27 00:10:02 <gkatsev> I just wouldn't feel safe plugging in an ethernet from the wall directly into the computer
Dec 27 00:10:12 <oil> yeah
Dec 27 00:10:20 <oil> sounds like a good way to make things go boom
Dec 27 00:10:28 <halfhalo> its running through a linksys wrt300n
Dec 27 00:11:04 <halfhalo> and considering the last time the power even went out was when a car hit the local distributer thingamagjiger, not a big deal
Dec 27 00:11:06 <gkatsev> bah, linksys
Dec 27 00:11:15 * gkatsev is moving away from linksys routers
Dec 27 00:11:17 <halfhalo> and that was about 5 years ago
Dec 27 00:11:18 <gkatsev> they are expensive
Dec 27 00:11:24 <gkatsev> and they suck
Dec 27 00:11:52 <oil> here is halfhalos setup: http://www.progx.org/users/rico/ethernetKiller.jpg
Dec 27 00:12:05 <gkatsev> oil: hahaha
Dec 27 00:12:09 <halfhalo> eh, the 300n has issues acting as a dchp server, so its connected to a 600b
Dec 27 00:12:11 <halfhalo> 600n
Dec 27 00:12:15 <halfhalo> which was on sale
Dec 27 00:12:29 * halfhalo can't load the page
Dec 27 00:12:36 <gkatsev> halfhalo: so you are connecting the powerline to a router which connects to another router?
Dec 27 00:12:53 <halfhalo> my bandwidth is 3
Dec 27 00:12:58 <gkatsev> 3?
Dec 27 00:13:02 <gkatsev> what are the units?
Dec 27 00:13:11 <oil> just 3
Dec 27 00:13:15 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 27 00:13:57 <oil> the units are b/hr
Dec 27 00:14:10 <gkatsev> yeah, that's what I though.
Dec 27 00:14:21 <gkatsev> nbps
Dec 27 00:14:55 <gkatsev> yocto-bytes per year
Dec 27 00:15:07 <oil> pre decade
Dec 27 00:15:17 <oil> per*
Dec 27 00:15:27 <gkatsev> per yotta-nium
Dec 27 00:15:56 <gkatsev> that's it, yocto-bytes per yotta-nium
Dec 27 00:18:15 <gkatsev> where yocto == 10^-24 and yotta == 10^24
Dec 27 00:18:24 <gkatsev> smallest and biggest SI units prefix
Dec 27 00:18:36 * oil falls asleep
Dec 27 00:18:46 * gkatsev wakes oil up
Dec 27 00:18:56 <oil> its math class all over again
Dec 27 00:19:14 <oil> getting an eraser thrown at me by the teacher when i fall asleep
Dec 27 00:19:21 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 27 00:20:13 <gkatsev> my bio teacher in highschool used to drop the 10lbs textbook on the floor or on the desk of the guy sleeping. It makes a really loud sound. Was kind of funny.
Dec 27 00:20:34 <oil> its not funny for the sleeper thats for sure
Dec 27 00:20:41 <gkatsev> nope
Dec 27 00:21:46 <Rick_work> i used to smack a meter stick across the desk of the sleeper.  Or, have two students pop paper bags in the ears on either side...
Dec 27 00:22:11 * oil would just let them sleep
Dec 27 00:22:18 <oil> as long as they werent snoring
Dec 27 00:22:34 <oil> they wake up a couple periods later surrounded by entirely different class
Dec 27 00:22:44 <oil> now that would be funny
Dec 27 00:22:49 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 27 00:23:02 * gkatsev has to go shovel because of the snowpocalypse in Boston
Dec 27 00:23:07 <oil> sux
Dec 27 00:23:16 * oil hates shoveling snow
Dec 27 00:23:31 <gkatsev> thank god it didn't rain
Dec 27 00:23:39 <bpadalino> make it rain
Dec 27 00:23:55 <gkatsev> bpadalino: I will stab you in the face if it rains.
Dec 27 00:24:01 <bpadalino> ha
Dec 27 00:24:12 <gkatsev> just letting you know.
Dec 27 00:25:36 <bpadalino> noted
Dec 27 00:27:16 * oil really hopes it starts raning
Dec 27 00:27:17 <oil> lol
Dec 27 00:28:40 <jaltman> rained here yesterday before it turned to snow
Dec 27 00:32:41 <jaltman> i dont wanna go back to work tomorrow
Dec 27 00:46:39 <halfhalo> ...
Dec 27 00:46:52 <halfhalo> I opened the door to the garage and lost my signal
Dec 27 00:47:09 <halfhalo> so juryrigged the powerline adapter straight to the gigabit switch in my desk
Dec 27 00:55:52 <jaltman> bye now
Dec 27 00:56:12 <Loudergood> lol
Dec 27 00:56:36 <Loudergood> those work pretty well until there's a power surge
Dec 27 00:56:50 <halfhalo> heh
Dec 27 00:57:04 * halfhalo does a speedtest to see if he lost bandwidths
Dec 27 01:02:10 <Loudergood> you can hit 100Mbit on some of them
Dec 27 01:02:47 * halfhalo hit 122 when he tested it before
Dec 27 01:02:59 * halfhalo has the Belkin gigabit hd kit
Dec 27 01:03:59 <Loudergood> yeah, pretty much faster than wireless
Dec 27 01:04:07 <gkatsev> back
Dec 27 01:11:10 <bhuey> anybody an expert on PalmDatabase.db3 here ?
Dec 27 01:57:19 <halfhalo> what
Dec 27 01:57:20 <halfhalo> the
Dec 27 01:57:21 <halfhalo> hell
Dec 27 01:57:43 <halfhalo> I was running the ethernet cord around my room and I pulled the bookshelf out and found a cable drop
Dec 27 01:57:54 <halfhalo> Plugged it in and its friggin live
Dec 27 01:59:21 <halfhalo> I mean... why would no-one tell me this
Dec 27 02:10:43 <gkatsev> halfhalo: hahahaha
Dec 27 02:11:29 <destinal> halfhalo: nice find
Dec 27 02:16:22 <halfhalo> now I get Directv AND basic cable@
Dec 27 02:16:24 <halfhalo> !
Dec 27 02:30:08 <tmandry> ka6sox: ping
Dec 27 02:31:55 * halfhalo has only 3 more crimps to do on this rediculous ethernet cable and he is golden
Dec 27 02:37:19 <ka6sox> tmandry, morning
Dec 27 02:37:35 <ka6sox> just got ahold of the 1.4.5 pre...let fire this thing up.
Dec 27 02:38:51 * halfhalo waits for the inveitable dundunDUN moment
Dec 27 02:40:37 <gkatsev> halfhalo: making your own cables?
Dec 27 02:41:05 <halfhalo> yeah, but using a really long donor cable I found that I hate
Dec 27 02:41:35 <halfhalo> instead of having orange/white wires its justa white cable next to the orange
Dec 27 02:41:35 <gkatsev> ok
Dec 27 02:41:41 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 27 02:51:15 <halfhalo> one left...
Dec 27 02:52:11 <tmandry> ka6sox: let me know how it goes. you got the second version right?
Dec 27 02:55:24 <ka6sox> tmandry, yeppers
Dec 27 02:55:26 <ka6sox> using that one
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