**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 31 02:59:58 2010 Dec 31 03:17:24 PuffTheMagic - Where abouts in troy are you? Dec 31 04:33:51 * DougReeder waves hello Dec 31 04:36:35 * scoutcamper waves back Dec 31 04:38:03 have I missed everything interesting for the day? Dec 31 04:39:24 nope Dec 31 04:48:00 hey egaudet, are you still around by chance? Dec 31 04:48:49 yes Dec 31 04:53:18 Hey you made a patch for changing how the browser presented itself correct, so it showed up as an iphone browser to web servers Dec 31 04:53:19 ? Dec 31 04:55:08 I was wondering how feasible it would be to make a patch that adds a dropdown in the browser settings with options to make the browser appear as Internet Explorer, FireFox and the iPhone for laughs Dec 31 04:55:40 also however webOS identifies itself would be in the list as well Dec 31 04:55:50 something similar to what can be done with blackberry Dec 31 05:01:42 That patch wasn't made by me, I had used it as an example to test out binary patching capabilities in AUPT but I don't have much direct knowledge of how exactly the browser identifies itself Dec 31 05:01:58 OK I see Dec 31 05:03:11 but for something like that where you are binary patching a string in Luna, if you wanted to switch between them, the best you'd probably get is switching out Luna binaries and restarting Luna which isn't really that great for what it sounds you want to do Dec 31 05:06:19 no, that wouldnt be fun :/ Dec 31 05:07:34 egaudet: what we need is a patch for palm's webkit that reads from somewhere. and for that we need to be able to compile our own build of their webkit which to my knowledge they haven't given us enough code to do (which is a license issue as well I think) Dec 31 05:08:06 but someone should try again, this was a while back Dec 31 05:11:34 being able to build webkit would be nice Dec 31 05:15:31 being able to change the user agent would be awesome Dec 31 05:25:16 * DougReeder waves goodnight Dec 31 06:39:59 hey, does anyone here know their way around webOS repair utility? Dec 31 06:42:11 which one? Dec 31 06:43:06 webOsdoctor? Dec 31 06:43:45 what are you having trouble with? Dec 31 06:50:14 ah don't worry Dec 31 06:50:27 it just wasn't recognising the Pre Dec 31 06:50:35 stuck at loading connected device's build info Dec 31 06:51:04 running webos doctor at the moment so it should be okay soon Dec 31 06:51:51 thanks anyway :) Dec 31 06:59:21 who do i talk to to get a patch into cross-compile.git? Dec 31 07:01:20 two patches in it are old and it pulls the latest trunk off svn so make stage fails pretty often Dec 31 08:29:44 anybody have commit-access to preware/crosscompile.git? Dec 31 08:47:57 fahhem: why? Dec 31 08:49:16 i have some fixes for it Dec 31 08:49:40 a bunch of the patches are setup for older versions of the code, but it does a svn checkout of the latest trunk Dec 31 08:49:47 so it needs periodic updating Dec 31 08:50:36 right Dec 31 08:51:13 i was originally editing the wiki, then i realized i could just submit patches Dec 31 08:51:33 I could push them for you, but you might want to talk to rwhitby.. he might give you access Dec 31 08:52:01 i'm fine with submitting patches for now Dec 31 08:52:42 do you have them up somewhere? Dec 31 08:52:46 since i'm probably only doing this now, but if i actually use it more often, i'll have reference patches to get access Dec 31 08:52:51 I'm compiling something now so it might be awhile Dec 31 08:53:18 not yet, i wanted make stage to finish so that they're all together, but i can start making the patches for each broken package now Dec 31 08:53:52 yep that's a good plan Dec 31 08:54:37 honestly (sorry to be so difficult) I'll probably be going to bed soon, but you can still try posting them in here when you're done, and if I'm not here there are others and I'll be here tomorrow Dec 31 08:55:35 that's cool Dec 31 08:55:48 i was expecting to just post the link anyway Dec 31 09:04:23 http://img141.imageshack.us/i/freetether1.png/ Dec 31 09:09:25 bluetooth AND wifi? are you insane? D: Dec 31 09:12:41 :p Dec 31 09:15:05 alright, my patches are listed at http://webosservices.com/patches.php Dec 31 09:15:21 looks good egaudet Dec 31 09:17:04 whoa, bluetooth and wifi at the same time? so all three devices now are on the same LAN too? Dec 31 09:25:57 fahhem, yeah Dec 31 09:26:32 oil, thanks, it's mainly all thrown together whatever I can find anywhere else hehe Dec 31 09:27:18 that's awesome, congrats! Dec 31 09:28:01 egaudet: thats mostly what I do :) Dec 31 10:28:01 man, so close, now qemu says "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 250" Dec 31 10:41:11 anybody fix this problem? "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 250" Dec 31 10:51:37 aw, a 2.1 update was pushed to my device Dec 31 10:51:42 and now it has the hp logo Dec 31 10:52:05 2.1 is out and i still don't have any 2.x, maaaan Dec 31 10:52:07 :P Dec 31 10:55:03 they pushed 2.1 to the Pre2? D: Dec 31 10:55:46 * fahhem checks for updates for the pre+ Dec 31 10:57:35 Mine got a push for it about 30 minutes ago Dec 31 10:57:53 Added dock mode (exhibition) Dec 31 11:00:52 Anything else? Dec 31 11:02:25 Odd time to push it Dec 31 11:03:21 people are gonna wake up thinking something's wrong with their pre2 Dec 31 11:04:00 more so to push it at 3AM the morning before a holiday weekend Dec 31 11:36:16 alright, up to 4 patches to fix packages in widk Dec 31 11:40:06 hm Dec 31 11:40:16 I may still have a wierd profile, so that may not be intended Dec 31 11:40:29 what's not intended? Dec 31 11:40:51 2.1 push Dec 31 13:53:38 Will I be able to submit apps to the app catalog built with the WIDK? Dec 31 13:56:03 or will Palm reject it? Dec 31 14:50:25 did I get this right? palm is pushing webos 2.1 right _now_ ? Dec 31 14:51:56 Thats what I was looking for Dec 31 14:53:20 I am thinking its misinformation as I cant confirm it anywhere. Dec 31 15:07:01 noradtux_: But onty to Pre2 as I read it Dec 31 15:10:08 hape: doesn't matter, pre2 is the platform which gives us navit-trouble Dec 31 15:11:52 I wish they would push a doctor with these things Dec 31 15:14:17 noradtux_: right, from this perspective it is a good thing. But I whant to have WebOS2 on my Pre- asap too :-( Dec 31 15:16:24 I can't tell what was launched as I turned my Pre 2 and Pre 1 into a Sprint Pre 2 with the update daemon disabled Dec 31 15:16:35 I dont see any updates Dec 31 15:18:01 and I have no profile on my pre 2 Dec 31 15:18:09 so I'm not sure if it will update right Dec 31 15:19:17 The fact that I havent seen anything lead up to a production release tells me this may be misinformation Dec 31 15:19:33 unless someone has confirmed it Dec 31 15:20:23 Although, it would make sense to get this polished up for CES Dec 31 15:20:34 especially if webOS will be on other devices Dec 31 15:20:37 like a tablet Dec 31 15:22:53 hape: thanks for the info :). If there is anything i can test for you, let me know. i would really like to bring navit on the pixi to a usable state. Dec 31 15:24:20 hmm..oh yeah that's why I didn't activate it..no sim card...oops Dec 31 15:41:43 noradtux_: any idea how lumines can help us to nail down the Pixi probĂlem. You know the screen refreshes for them only when the touch the screen? Dec 31 15:51:09 hape: hm, don't really know. IIRC the screen refreshes when a new location is delivered from webos Dec 31 15:51:38 to increasing debugging for vehicle_webos might provide some information on that Dec 31 16:14:32 hey peepsd Dec 31 16:15:28 i was looking online at a ftp site and found a copy of gentoo for armv6 and v7 Dec 31 16:16:45 http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Gentoo/releases/arm/current-stage3/ Dec 31 17:09:38 CTLAdvance: ping Dec 31 17:10:01 Hello Dec 31 17:10:17 ... Dec 31 17:10:25 PuffTheMagic: Pong? Dec 31 17:10:47 CTLAdvance: 15th street Dec 31 17:11:06 your name sounds familiar for some reason Dec 31 17:11:50 you in the albany/troy area? Dec 31 17:11:53 anyways, im about 30 minutes away in guilderland Dec 31 17:12:02 oh Dec 31 17:12:12 i go to RPI Dec 31 17:12:34 nice... Dec 31 17:13:46 CTLAdvance: idk, i used to work on a kernel patchset called zen-sources Dec 31 17:13:53 and im on the maxima car forums Dec 31 17:13:57 but with a different nick Dec 31 17:14:03 idk where else u would know me from Dec 31 17:14:43 where did you go to school before RPI Dec 31 17:15:05 Ryan Hope is what sounds familiar, not puff... Dec 31 17:16:37 RIT in rochester Dec 31 17:16:57 CTLAdvance: there was a soap opera back in the day called Ryan's Hope Dec 31 17:17:15 Did you know a kyle wray Dec 31 17:17:56 at RIT Dec 31 17:18:11 not ringing a bell what program was he in Dec 31 17:20:22 He went into bio sciences, so not sure which program he took there... Dec 31 17:21:42 Anyways, I must have run into someone with a similar sounding name in all of my travels... But when I saw you were in troy, I figured I would ask Dec 31 18:15:16 What do you guys make of the VZW Pre2 Best Buy story? http://www.precentral.net/verizon-pre-2-finally-pops-best-buy-systems Dec 31 18:16:05 what is there to make of it? Dec 31 18:16:16 all it says is "Pre2 will be on VZW soon" Dec 31 18:16:18 which we knew Dec 31 18:16:20 A surmised actual release date? Dec 31 18:16:49 Just trying to better define "soon", hoping someone in here has heard something more concrete Dec 31 18:17:04 oh, I have not. Sorry :) Dec 31 18:41:23 hello guys Dec 31 18:41:30 have a question Dec 31 18:41:49 yes? Dec 31 18:42:06 i getting this alert when try install something Dec 31 18:42:26 "this applications is not available for your carrrier" T_T Dec 31 18:42:36 i dont know what hat means! Dec 31 18:42:38 :'( Dec 31 18:42:43 I think that means palm has locked the app to be carrier specific Dec 31 18:42:43 cant install anything Dec 31 18:42:51 what carrier, hardware, webos version? Dec 31 18:42:53 what is a carrier? Dec 31 18:43:00 cellular service Dec 31 18:43:02 how can i change that? Dec 31 18:43:05 ahh! Dec 31 18:43:07 i see Dec 31 18:43:12 but Dec 31 18:43:24 a friend have the same service Dec 31 18:43:39 what scoutcamper said Dec 31 18:43:41 and he can install things Dec 31 18:44:24 do you know how can i fix that? Dec 31 18:44:53 LuisFernando, who is your carrier? verizon? at&t? sprint? and do you have a pre or pixi? a pre/pixi plus? and webos 1.4.5? Dec 31 18:45:02 at&t Dec 31 18:45:07 pre Dec 31 18:45:12 webos 2.0 Dec 31 18:45:19 ?????? Dec 31 18:45:28 LuisFernando, you have a pre2? Dec 31 18:45:29 what? Dec 31 18:45:32 yes Dec 31 18:45:34 ok Dec 31 18:45:40 i dont know Dec 31 18:46:41 LuisFernando, doctor your pre2? Dec 31 18:47:21 yes Dec 31 18:47:35 no, have you done that? Dec 31 18:48:05 thats my reccomendation, doctor your pre Dec 31 18:48:11 yes i used it to install to istall preware software Dec 31 18:48:54 bbl Dec 31 18:50:26 with the doctor i can change the carrier or fix the issue? Dec 31 18:51:59 A doctor will probably fix the issue. The AT&T Pre 2 shouldn't be limited from every app Dec 31 18:53:07 ok Dec 31 18:53:10 i will try Dec 31 18:53:16 thanks guys Dec 31 18:53:25 happy new year Dec 31 18:56:00 hhhmmm Dec 31 18:56:15 the doctor app got stucked triying to download something Dec 31 18:56:24 said Dec 31 18:56:33 Downloading appilication Dec 31 18:57:55 Name: Palm webOS(R)DOctor(tm) Build AT&T Dec 31 18:58:01 Publisher: palm Dec 31 18:58:21 From: http://palm.cdnetworks.net Dec 31 18:58:36 Did the doctor finish downloading through the browser, or did it not get that far? Dec 31 18:58:40 suggestopms? Dec 31 18:58:45 jar Dec 31 18:59:17 You downloaded the doctor, ran it, and it tried to download something else? You got me Dec 31 18:59:33 I haven't seen that before, the doctors I've used are all self contained Dec 31 19:00:11 i just downloaded and doble clicked on the jar Dec 31 19:01:09 i thinks is starting to download but very slow Dec 31 19:01:12 T_T Dec 31 19:01:18 It's a big file Dec 31 19:01:30 really? Dec 31 19:01:44 dany other way to do it ? Dec 31 19:03:10 webosdoctorp102ueuna-wr.jnlp <-- this is the jar Dec 31 19:03:15 You'd have to ask one of the other guys that, I'm not sure. I know there are a couple ways of restoring to factory defaults, but I'm on Sprint, so I don't know how they'd carry to AT&T Dec 31 19:03:47 A java webstart file? That's a bit different Dec 31 19:04:25 how can i get that? Dec 31 19:04:32 Get what? Dec 31 19:05:37 A java webstart file Dec 31 19:05:45 the jnlp is a webstart file Dec 31 19:05:45 You already have one Dec 31 19:05:49 it points to the actual jar Dec 31 19:06:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions - the links there should be direct to the actual jars Dec 31 19:06:58 Judging from the webstart file you have, you need http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p201r0d11242010/wrep201rod/webosdoctorp102ueuna-wr.jar Dec 31 19:10:52 is downloading :D Dec 31 19:10:58 45% Dec 31 22:18:23 i need help Dec 31 22:18:54 web os quick installer won't recognize my device Dec 31 22:19:32 +PuffTheMagic Dec 31 22:35:51 hello. Dec 31 22:36:10 how do I install novacom drivers? Dec 31 22:36:16 please help. Dec 31 22:36:28 depends on uh, what you're trying to install them on? :I Dec 31 22:36:47 Windows? OSX? Linux? Have you tried just installing the SDK since it installs the Novacom drivers as part of that? Dec 31 22:38:57 yeah, sdk Dec 31 22:39:04 or start the doctor, it will install em too Dec 31 22:39:23 detch: put in the cassette and reboot the Sinclair ZX81 ... Dec 31 22:39:44 or alternatively, tell us what OS you're running ... Dec 31 22:39:56 its for Preware! Dec 31 22:39:57 lol Dec 31 22:40:12 detch: host OS Dec 31 22:40:16 it is the latest webos Dec 31 22:40:19 for palm pre plus Dec 31 22:40:23 host == your computer Dec 31 22:40:48 oh boy! :9 Dec 31 22:40:49 the bigger thing that your pre plus is connected to Dec 31 22:41:11 i am not familiar with this terminologyT-T Dec 31 22:41:22 it might have a keyboard and screen attached to it too, but don't install novacom on them Dec 31 22:41:25 what is the operating system you're running on your computer Dec 31 22:41:30 i just want to install preware onto my palm but i lack novacom drivers Dec 31 22:41:42 like..... windows, or macos, or linux Dec 31 22:41:48 windows Dec 31 22:41:56 * oil should have just guessed Dec 31 22:42:27 i downloaded the webos preware installer Dec 31 22:42:32 but it won't detect the device Dec 31 22:42:36 :( Dec 31 22:42:53 there are two devices on the list: emulator and USB device Dec 31 22:42:57 but neither are correct Dec 31 22:43:45 and your pre is in devmode? Dec 31 22:43:49 yes. Dec 31 22:43:57 and when you plugged it in you selected just charge? Dec 31 22:44:01 yes Dec 31 22:44:21 * rwhitby-pre points to PHD at this point ... Dec 31 22:44:37 lol Dec 31 22:45:07 so... Dec 31 22:45:12 :/ Dec 31 22:45:14 install the sdk Dec 31 22:45:16 and palm-install Dec 31 22:45:20 how. Dec 31 22:45:28 download it from palms website Dec 31 22:45:31 developer.palm.com Dec 31 22:45:35 install it Dec 31 22:45:38 use command line Dec 31 22:45:43 palm-install org.webosinternals.preware Dec 31 22:45:52 or whatever you call the ipk Dec 31 22:45:55 idk how to use command line! Dec 31 22:45:58 heh, this is going to end in tears Dec 31 22:46:05 start > run > cmd Dec 31 22:46:45 then mash your fingers on the keyboard and hope things turn out right :U Dec 31 22:47:21 hehe.. Dec 31 22:48:22 rwhitby-pre: while pointing to phd is certainly the easier option for us, and financially awesome for you, is it fair to a user who comes in asking for help to charge them 99 cents to get preware installed? Dec 31 22:49:36 nooo Dec 31 22:50:57 a way to do this without using cmd Dec 31 22:51:19 and while im guessing detch is in the us, phd isn't even a viable without paid catalog access, people in other countries without the paid catalog can't even use it Dec 31 22:51:34 detch: quick install? Dec 31 22:51:45 You downloaded the Preware Stand Alone installer, it obviously didn't work since you showed up here: You'll have to use the command line Dec 31 22:52:10 ahh :[ ok then Dec 31 22:52:24 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install Dec 31 22:52:48 yes, quick install won't work. says i don't have novacomd Dec 31 22:52:56 did you download the doctor? Dec 31 22:52:59 yes Dec 31 22:53:07 did you try the reinstall drivers option? Dec 31 22:53:14 (its in one of the menues of quick install) Dec 31 22:53:23 i will try that Dec 31 22:53:56 heh - just like PHD says ... Dec 31 22:55:37 oh THAT button. Dec 31 22:55:39 i clicked it. Dec 31 22:56:18 how long should it take? progress bar finished already. Dec 31 22:56:26 idk, ive never done it Dec 31 22:56:41 lol ok, it should be done Dec 31 22:56:50 you sure your device is in devmode? Dec 31 22:56:53 you should doublecheck Dec 31 22:56:54 yes. Dec 31 22:57:01 restarted it and everything Dec 31 22:57:19 or download and install the sdk Dec 31 22:57:28 try restarting the computer. Dec 31 22:57:56 @oil: that takes too long Dec 31 22:58:14 then getting help from oil and installing preware takes too long Dec 31 22:58:35 -.- Dec 31 22:58:39 yeah, if you want to get it installed, it just ~might~ take a while Dec 31 22:59:50 this is why telling people to use the PHD makes sense - the $1 weeds out those who are not serious about it Dec 31 22:59:55 40 minutes Dec 31 23:00:05 nahh. Dec 31 23:00:15 i'll reboot. Dec 31 23:00:16 i have to say rwhitby, i don't agree :/ Dec 31 23:00:21 Oh no, 40 minutes where you won't need to do anything and can go do something else that needs to get done ;_; Dec 31 23:00:31 they shouldnt have to pay you a dollar to prove they want preware Dec 31 23:00:47 :/ Dec 31 23:00:57 :/ Dec 31 23:01:40 yep, some initiative and you get instructions for free ... Dec 31 23:02:09 detch may need to restart computer Dec 31 23:20:24 http://ompldr.org/vNnN0ZQ on Pre2 Dec 31 23:21:37 nice Dec 31 23:26:06 cannot wait for freetether. Dec 31 23:34:57 is there a way to disable packages in WIDK from being built? or do i actually have to build all of them? Dec 31 23:35:31 fahhem: you can move a package to packages/nonworking.. not pretty but it works :p if you want just a specific package to be built: Dec 31 23:35:49 make ARCH=armv7 -C packages/cat/pkg stage Dec 31 23:36:02 (that will build its dependencies too) Dec 31 23:36:17 thanks Dec 31 23:37:39 i don't know if you saw, but i posted some patches at http://webosservices.com/patches.php for cross-compile.git Dec 31 23:47:10 fahhem: great. thanks Dec 31 23:49:37 Anyone try the steps I posted on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux to get Palm PDK working on Linux? I know WIDK > PDK for most purposes but I know some people just want the Palm official thing. Dec 31 23:50:21 i needed WIDK to work on a WIDK-made project, otherwise I would have Jan 01 01:08:20 i'm hoping elementary isn't a necessary package... Jan 01 02:31:56 does anyone know the process to pwn/root your palm pixi is it the same process as the pre or what? thanks Jan 01 02:37:52 yes stargeek, it is the same for all webos devices Jan 01 02:43:05 why do you have to "pwn" your pre...its like published info (documented by manufacturer) Jan 01 02:43:29 so is that "pwning" when the manuf *tells* you how to do it? Jan 01 02:43:42 yes? Jan 01 02:51:28 especially when they invite the community to come speak about it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 01 02:59:58 2011