**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 03 02:59:58 2011 Jan 03 03:06:52 hello Jan 03 03:07:11 trying to get mobilehotspot working, can anyone help? Jan 03 03:08:28 i have installed mobile hotspot as well as freetether and freetetherD, Jan 03 03:08:56 in mobile hotspot it says mobile service hotspot service is not running Jan 03 03:25:56 if u want a few more days freeTether 1.0 will be out Jan 03 03:26:03 no more need for mobile hotspot Jan 03 03:26:10 will give u wifi/bt/usb tethering Jan 03 03:27:43 where will that be availble? Jan 03 03:27:50 preware? Jan 03 03:30:39 any chance i could beta test it? Jan 03 03:33:26 its not really ready for beta me and egaudet have been doing lots of work on it Jan 03 03:34:04 we know everything that needs to happen its just tying it all into a reliable end user gui that is taking a little time Jan 03 03:34:23 but this release is gonna be ready this week Jan 03 03:34:28 in preware testing for a day or two Jan 03 03:34:32 then is normal feed Jan 03 03:34:56 so i could get it in preware now? Jan 03 03:35:43 jackjohn, no, in a few days when PuffTheMagic and egaudet release it Jan 03 03:36:03 ok thanks, wasnt clear what he meant by in preware testing Jan 03 03:36:12 what is meant by normal feed? Jan 03 03:36:33 webos-internals feed? Jan 03 03:36:37 jackjohn, on preware, you have the normal feed enabled, you have to manually enable the testing feed Jan 03 03:37:26 ok Jan 03 03:37:40 let me see if i can figure that out Jan 03 03:38:19 whats the url for the testing feed? Jan 03 03:40:48 found it Jan 03 03:45:01 so if i install the testing app, when its updated will preware let me know to update? Jan 03 04:05:59 hype for freetether Jan 03 04:06:32 yeah, it's in demand now Jan 03 05:25:41 so i modified a theme that i got off of prethemer, and all the directions i saw said after i made my edits to rezip it and install through woqi ... problem is, i can't figure out where ... i'm running the linux version of WOQI Jan 03 05:33:34 I can't seem to connect to jason robitaille's feed. I can't install his patches Jan 03 05:33:42 anybody else having this issue? Jan 03 05:38:31 why would we know about this? Jan 03 05:40:17 it's in preware Jan 03 05:42:05 actually, I think it's a preware feed. Jan 03 05:42:37 hmmm Jan 03 05:42:39 -1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/curl --create-dirs --insecure --location --fail --show-error --output /media/internal/.developer/ca.canucksoftware.systoolsmgr_0.3.0_all.ipk http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/ca.canucksoftware.systoolsmgr_0.3.0_all.ipk 2>&1 Jan 03 05:42:40 possibly Jan 03 05:42:52 also this: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Jan 03 05:43:03 the 404 means its not there Jan 03 05:43:09 so I'm not sure why Jan 03 05:43:22 i know i've had issues from getting stuff put out by PreGame Jan 03 05:43:28 namely the LED Manager Service Jan 03 05:43:43 also a 404 Jan 03 05:43:54 which is in the main Preware feed Jan 03 05:44:08 stuff is missing from ipkg.preware.org Jan 03 05:44:14 (maybe?) Jan 03 05:44:23 Davide-NYC: PreCentral moved their feed. I updated the Preware feeds to match, but Jason uses a custom Source: field in his packages, and he needs up modify them to match PreCentral's change. He is aware of that. Jan 03 05:44:25 maybe Jan 03 05:44:53 rwhitby: thanks. Then it's just a matter of him getting to it? Jan 03 05:44:54 ahh ... same issue with PreGame's stuff? Jan 03 05:45:14 KittyHeather: no, it should be fine, since it's in the webos-internals feed. Jan 03 05:45:51 also some of sconix's stuff. Jan 03 05:45:54 (I think) Jan 03 05:45:54 i just checked it and i get the same message, but with the address http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/net.vertigostudios.ledmanager_0.2.3_all.ipk Jan 03 05:46:35 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/net.vertigostudios.ledmanager_0.2.3_all.ipk works for me Jan 03 05:46:58 http://atech.pastebin.com/dGs7ReB2 Jan 03 05:47:00 Don't know PreCentral is trying to distribute that in their feed Jan 03 05:47:10 i just tried it two minutes ago Jan 03 05:47:14 s/know/know why/ Jan 03 05:47:14 rwhitby meant: Don't know why PreCentral is trying to distribute that in their feed Jan 03 05:47:28 maybe something in that pastebin would show the root of my problem? Jan 03 05:47:34 nevermind about sconix. The ASM - Framewrok doesn't install cleanly. Jan 03 05:47:36 same issue - PreCentral upstream change, which for some reason is now publishing packages that it shouldn't Jan 03 05:48:08 That's not the only they're publishing which they shouldn't. Jan 03 05:48:14 * Davide-NYC ducks Jan 03 05:49:47 * ka6sox can't fix problems with upstream, so he heads out Jan 03 05:51:21 i'm still trying to work out my theming issues Jan 03 05:57:11 from what I can tell, in old versions of WOQI in the Themer menu there was a button to let you load your own zip file from your computer ... in the 3.14 version of WOQI I can't find that button anywhere Jan 03 05:59:43 KittyHeather: sorry, dunno much about WOQI - perhaps try the PreCentral support thread for it. Jan 03 06:01:05 yeah ... they're the ones who say there's a local theme button in WOQI Jan 03 06:03:36 which there was like back in 2.6, somewhere between then and now it got removed Jan 03 06:09:46 yeah ... every time someone asks how to install themes in 3.14 on the official thread they just tell then "Use Preware" ... so I dunno anymore ... Jan 03 06:11:19 Should be in the changelog for WOQI when it got taken out. If it was open source you'd be able to look at the source code repo to see what and when it happened, but alas it's closed. Jan 03 06:12:02 yeah, so i guess i have to muck with uploading the info to prethemer and try to get the ipk that way Jan 03 06:25:19 ahh, which for the record, the prethemer website appears to let you upload the zip file, and it'll make the ipk for it without having it go public (so if you are uncertain about rights, etc.) Jan 03 06:25:55 screwed up the first time, and now it's locked my themes up, so i'm trying to fix that right now Jan 03 06:31:52 * halfhalo attempted to work on code tonight but didn't because it's todamncold Jan 03 06:32:01 yeah same Jan 03 06:32:07 except it was more like INTERNET VIDEOOOOS Jan 03 06:32:21 * halfhalo is expecting snow where he lives Jan 03 06:33:22 south florida Jan 03 06:33:26 :D Jan 03 06:34:49 rwhitby: What do you think of making the patch portal in node.js. Like ruby, it's much more suited to using git they way it's currently used, and it's js, which means more than just me (unfortunately) knows how to program in it Jan 03 06:36:11 works for me Jan 03 06:36:44 Sweet. Jan 03 06:36:45 replicate the current one, then we'll make improvements from there. Jan 03 06:37:13 * KittyHeather only understood every third or fourth word Jan 03 06:37:38 * halfhalo is not replicating the whole "everything in one giant file" though Jan 03 06:37:50 good Jan 03 06:38:33 * rwhitby is now up-to-date with webos-internals housekeeping after 5 days campling Jan 03 06:38:39 camping even Jan 03 06:38:43 Heh Jan 03 06:38:57 now to look at this mplayer stuff Jan 03 06:39:18 * halfhalo is shutting everything down tomorrow since he leaves for ces on Tuesday Jan 03 06:39:58 Assuming I can get there Jan 03 06:40:35 mplayer wha Jan 03 06:45:09 did the source get posted? Jan 03 06:46:27 would this mplayer be able to handle other video formats? i've had a heck of a time trying to find something to convert my avi's to mp4's Jan 03 06:47:19 dtzWill: http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-for-palm-pre/ Jan 03 06:47:19 * halfhalo does think that before the node patches portal gets going a clear outline of what it does now needs to be recorded, and a discussion of where people want it to go to in the long run to avoid having to rewrite parts of code due to a lack of foresight Jan 03 06:47:40 rwhitby: wowza, excellent :D Jan 03 06:48:12 oil and I reckon we can do a simple file-picker front-end to it Jan 03 06:49:03 worth looking into after i get my phone reflashed *smacks herself upside the head* Jan 03 06:52:42 * halfhalo just wants something like " it does a,b, and c now, we want it to do x,y, and z in the long run" Jan 03 06:54:11 rwhitby: sounds good re:picker :) Jan 03 09:19:35 ~log Jan 03 09:19:36 well, log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Jan 03 10:21:48 * dtzWill_wirc waves Jan 03 18:13:29 heyho! Jan 03 18:14:32 morning Jan 03 18:16:21 i got my samba configuration working so far...but now i need to get back into webos programming for the guy =/ Jan 03 18:16:48 gui Jan 03 18:17:17 thats awesome! Jan 03 18:17:26 nice Jan 03 18:17:56 is it worth to build try building that app in ares? Jan 03 18:18:26 do you not have sdk? Jan 03 18:18:37 all you really need to do is have a pretty way to edit some text files right? Jan 03 18:18:45 sure i have Jan 03 18:18:51 ya, something like that Jan 03 18:19:26 in best case, getting an option into device menu, but so far, i want to build a gui for editing the config Jan 03 18:20:25 oh yeah, use device menu to start/stop the service..I like that Jan 03 18:20:55 indeed Jan 03 18:21:18 ;) Jan 03 18:21:28 so when you are at public wifi zone you arent sharing everythng if you rememmber to turn it off :)' Jan 03 18:21:41 yap... Jan 03 18:22:35 maybe it would also be possible to activate that service automatically if a special wifi network is connected? Jan 03 18:23:08 let's set that to the todo list^ Jan 03 18:23:50 ice8lue: that sounds like a good job for mode switcher Jan 03 18:24:39 Loudergood: is modeswitcher capable of doing thing dependend on a special SSID? I dont use that app^^ Jan 03 18:25:02 I think so, but I'm not sure since I don't either Jan 03 18:25:15 hmm... Jan 03 18:25:20 will check that later Jan 03 18:25:47 wanna finish that app soon because my exams at university are coming closer ~.~ Jan 03 18:26:10 ah i know how that is, mine were before the holiday Jan 03 18:26:26 like wise Jan 03 18:26:40 nervous for school to start again ahh! Jan 03 18:26:56 and were they successfull? Jan 03 18:27:06 Jack87: which school type? Jan 03 18:27:29 yeah they were thankfully Jan 03 18:28:11 =) congratulations Jan 03 18:28:28 i failed my CS exam (we were allowed notes and i made notes on one comp finished on another and went to print from first comp) when i went in to take the exam. my notes i printed were of first draft hadnt sycned yet and i didnt check! :( Jan 03 18:28:35 ice8lue: university Jan 03 18:28:56 in the states school is used for anything education related pretty much Jan 03 18:29:33 anyway still scored an A in the class (all assignments and previous exams were 100% perfect) Jan 03 18:30:04 whois infobot Jan 03 18:30:09 lol Jan 03 18:30:10 oops Jan 03 18:30:13 ;) luck^^ Jan 03 18:33:12 :) Jan 03 18:33:41 ~nickometer Jack87 Jan 03 18:33:43 'Jack87' is 19.000% lame, scoutcamper Jan 03 18:34:04 xD Jan 03 18:34:06 whats the other 81%? Jan 03 18:34:14 lol Jan 03 18:34:16 idk Jan 03 18:34:18 ask it Jan 03 18:35:03 how? Jan 03 18:35:25 ~nickometer scoutcamper Jan 03 18:35:26 'scoutcamper' is 0.000% lame, ice8lue Jan 03 18:35:34 :D Jan 03 18:35:35 ^^ Jan 03 18:36:18 ~nickometer jack87 Jan 03 18:36:19 'jack87' is 19.000% lame, jack87 Jan 03 18:36:36 ~nickometer infobot Jan 03 18:36:37 'infobot' is 0.000% lame, loudergood Jan 03 18:36:58 ;) good one Jan 03 18:37:42 im special :) Jan 03 18:38:26 ~ Jan 03 18:39:46 ~nickometer ice8lue Jan 03 18:39:47 'ice8lue' is 14.000% lame, scoutcamper Jan 03 18:39:56 ^^ Jan 03 18:40:09 ;) Jan 03 18:40:33 ok, no more infobot in the public channel Jan 03 18:40:45 * Loudergood gets the feeling the bot doesn't like numbers Jan 03 18:40:46 you can do this private Jan 03 18:41:37 lol Jan 03 18:41:52 Loudergood, nope Jan 03 18:41:57 im still 0% Jan 03 18:42:05 haha Jan 03 18:44:26 Loudergood, http://adamspiers.org/computing/nickometer/ Jan 03 19:12:09 hmm libtool error building widk on ubuntu 10.10 Jan 03 19:43:55 scoutcamper: cool, I get 0% also Jan 03 19:45:10 :D Jan 03 22:27:16 What are the best options for getting python running on 1.4.5? Jan 03 22:27:58 cross compliation? Jan 03 22:28:05 dunno if python's in optware Jan 03 22:40:48 cmonnnnnnnnn Pre 2!!!! Jan 03 23:03:12 got it. ipkg-opt list | grep pyth Jan 03 23:04:16 gives a hit. only question would be the best way to wrap it into an app without requiring users to have ipkg-opt installed and online. But I'll figure that out. At least I know there's a package I can work against. Jan 03 23:05:20 klktrk, optwarefind.nslu2-linux.org Jan 03 23:06:02 and if you have a login on the webos-internals wiki then add that to the optware page please. Jan 03 23:06:36 or halfhalo can add it (as its his app :D) to the wiki so folks can find it. Jan 03 23:10:55 ka6sox: thanks. Jan 03 23:12:08 klktrk, love the nick. Jan 03 23:12:28 keeping drummers in time forever :D Jan 03 23:12:50 while slipping off in my own life. yes. Jan 03 23:14:15 don't I know it Jan 03 23:14:51 3hrs to mix/master for every minute of actual track. Jan 03 23:19:18 wowzers Jan 03 23:20:24 that assumes its <16tracks...over 16tracks and its a LOT more Jan 03 23:31:35 klktrk: if someone is going to be running python on the command line anyway, then installing ipkg-opt via Preware is no big deal for them. If you're going to embed it into some mojo application, then that would be a reason to repackage it. Jan 03 23:35:46 Curse you AusPost! Jan 03 23:36:59 rwhitby: yeah, i'm not going to ask them to run it on the command line. Or, rather, I want to present a GUI to the average user which will run some python commands in the background, so I'll have to package it. Jan 03 23:39:11 mastrin sounds hard yo Jan 03 23:40:02 whowhatnow? Jan 03 23:41:56 hehe... optwarefind... Jan 03 23:42:19 klktrk: homebrew or app catalog? Jan 03 23:46:46 theoretically optwarefind has an api... someone should make an app for that Jan 03 23:47:54 rwhitby: i'll probably start at homebrew. Jan 03 23:49:04 rwhitby: see what the demand is like. not sure it's really for the average user, since it will require a host to connect to, and I'm not sure how many people have that. but i also don't want to make it too geeky since it's intended for security in public wifi spots. Jan 03 23:49:21 so it's got to be easy to use. Jan 03 23:50:08 klktrk: for app catalog, you'll need to package python with every app which uses it (meaning multiple copies of python on the device). with homebrew, we may be able to just have one copy. Jan 03 23:50:27 rwhitby: that's very good to know. Jan 04 00:24:40 Hey are there any good tutorials on how to put together WebOS services? Jan 04 00:26:18 userbound: are you in the early access program? Jan 04 00:26:45 rwhitby: I am not Jan 04 00:27:20 Since official support for webOS services is a webOS 2.0 feature, you should be. Jan 04 00:29:19 hi Jan 04 00:29:23 If I wanted to develop a service for 1.4.5 - It'd just be a waste of time? I read that you can unofficially create Java services for WebOs 1.* Jan 04 00:30:23 how do you run webos quick instal? Jan 04 00:33:19 userbound: Java is no longer supported on 2.0, so it would be a waste of time Jan 04 00:37:04 synergy is by far the weakest component in webos Jan 04 00:37:29 god I hope that 2.0 is going to fix this Jan 04 00:40:48 ka6sox: i've added the searchable ipkg tool to the webos-internals page. Jan 04 00:41:18 the question is.... is the backend running? Jan 04 00:47:07 * rwhitby bbl Jan 04 01:04:36 halfhalo: it looks like it's running. i mean, i can get to the page and search on it. Jan 04 01:05:03 Not the same backend.. :p Jan 04 01:06:20 :-) Jan 04 01:06:54 The data gatherer is written in node and is separate from the webpage on purpose Jan 04 01:08:32 :( synergy kicks ass for me **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 04 02:59:58 2011