**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 06 02:59:58 2011 Jan 06 06:28:46 freeTether 0.99.8 now in testing feed Jan 06 06:41:27 ~~~~ Jan 06 06:41:28 ARGH!!! STOP IT ka6sox!!! Jan 06 06:42:09 ~freetether Jan 06 06:48:20 Fail Jan 06 06:49:12 egaudet: I think you might have an error in the startup-assistant.js file Jan 06 06:49:27 egaudet: on first install, you'll get a white screen. restart and it's fine. Jan 06 06:49:42 usually happens when there is a missing comma in the changelog or something Jan 06 06:53:07 * oil got that as well Jan 06 06:54:23 fixed, 0.99.9 fixes missing comma Jan 06 07:00:58 egaudet: in Impostah, I disable the buttons while the spinner is active - you might want to do the same for the buttons Jan 06 07:01:20 that should help the "hit the buttons randomly to confuse it" problem Jan 06 07:01:34 s/buttons/toggles/ Jan 06 07:01:34 rwhitby meant: that should help the "hit the toggles randomly to confuse it" problem Jan 06 08:58:13 hei. at my palm pre, there is only sound when i get called or when i put on the speaker while telephoning. there is no sound at the alarm or playing music or videos. i tried rebooting several times, didn't work. what would you do? Jan 06 08:59:05 reboot, check sound settings, and if those fail, visit the webOS doctor. Jan 06 09:01:50 ok, thanks Jan 06 09:14:06 jojoo, plug headphones in and out a few times Jan 06 09:14:47 jojoo, back and forth... try calling your voicemail while you do it and watch to see if the speaker phone icon changes Jan 06 09:15:34 Jack87: i just read that in the precentral forums. sounds like black magic ;) Jan 06 09:15:38 i'll try Jan 06 09:15:58 doctor wont fix it.. its some sort of weird shit within the headphons jack. i had to get my pre replaced once for it. happened to another one and it was solved by accident doing that Jan 06 09:16:34 hehe no one had seen it before when i had the issue. you lucky man :) Jan 06 09:17:02 wouldnt call me a lucky man, i overslept beacause of this shit Jan 06 09:17:09 jojoo: Jack87 instrucktions worked for me more then once. It's a hardware problem I live with as I use BT headphones most the time Jan 06 09:17:21 jojoo, mentions black magic while i am watching "Merlin" :) Jan 06 09:17:31 lol Jan 06 09:19:20 i hope everyone is enjoying their new year... i have already had to write the date is 2011 it was odd Jan 06 09:22:40 i tried it now very often, with calling my voicemail and listening to music, but it doesnt work :/ Jan 06 09:23:12 jojoo, keep going Jan 06 09:23:56 twist it back and fort put it in and out. i say to call your voice mail so you can watch the speaker phone button change thats when you know its fixed Jan 06 09:24:28 wow. as you said keep going it worked! Jan 06 09:24:34 thanks a lot Jan 06 09:24:37 :) enjoy Jan 06 09:24:52 .oO(could'nt you say that before) Jan 06 09:25:32 * jojoo is going to post to the forums: put it in and out, back & forth, Jack87 has to say "keep going", then it will work ;) Jan 06 09:26:42 ok, thanks a lot, now i can go to breakfast ;) Jan 06 09:27:30 ~infobot nosound is fixed by plugging headphones in and out a few times back and forth in the headphones jack... try calling your voicemail while you do it and watch to see if the speaker phone icon changes when it changes thats when you stop and it should be fixed Jan 06 09:27:31 okay, Jack87 Jan 06 09:28:12 jojoo, i might go to bed soon :) Jan 06 10:55:22 anyone in here getting 0 apps in the app catalog? Jan 06 10:59:05 nope Jan 06 10:59:56 actually, on 1.4.5, yes. Jan 06 12:57:26 In germany I get 4191 with 1.4.5 Jan 06 15:09:03 is it possible to compile objective-c code with the WIDK? Jan 06 15:10:06 if not: how can i put objc in enable-languages and rebuild the gcc used for cross-compilation? Jan 06 15:23:50 morning Jan 06 15:28:01 it's too early for objc questions Jan 06 15:28:14 crap. now i want to get objc compiling working in the widk Jan 06 15:34:29 lol Jan 06 15:37:33 has anyone considered hosting their own "Cloud" for WebOS to talk to? Jan 06 15:39:58 so that it doesn't need to be dependent on Palm? Jan 06 15:41:54 hi @ all Jan 06 15:42:40 i have a question about the PalmDatabase from an Palm Pre Plus Jan 06 15:42:55 summatusmentis: would be cool to let webos use apple's calendar server (FOSS: calendarserver.org) Jan 06 15:43:21 also includes the address book server Jan 06 15:43:23 is it possible to add a contact whit plain sql syntax ? Jan 06 15:43:49 like "INSERT INTO com_palm_pim_contact ...." Jan 06 15:44:07 bastianm: that's sort of what I'm wondering, whether or not something like that could be run on a personal server Jan 06 15:44:59 i didn't have a cloue how to create the right id's Jan 06 15:51:23 * halfhalo is uploading his ces gigabyte video now Jan 06 15:52:06 so nobody has an idea how i can manage to add an contact direct to the database Jan 06 15:52:07 ? Jan 06 15:59:04 http://git.preyourmind.org/video-2011-01-05-19-16-21.mp4 Jan 06 15:59:20 whats that of? Jan 06 15:59:44 gigabyte press conference Jan 06 15:59:50 kwl Jan 06 16:00:49 open bars EVERYWHERE Jan 06 16:28:58 I would like to report a bug in preware ... Under application all and under list everything .. If sorted by time the list is incorrect and will shift after looking at any app or other ... Then shift again after viewing the next ... Jan 06 16:53:20 hmm, it appears there's a new egaudet` ...? In any case, I have a DBUS/Log dump for FreeTether 0.99.9 trying to connect a Nintendo DSi :) http://webos.pastebin.com/abrcYqfF Jan 06 17:09:25 flare576: so all looks well? Jan 06 17:15:05 nope, not really; should the DSi have failed initially? Jan 06 17:15:32 :: tries to get back in the habit of using names in IRC:: Jan 06 17:15:34 it looks like there is flakiness with the DSi's connection, but not FT related Jan 06 17:15:59 i.e. the wifi service reports back to FT service about connections Jan 06 17:16:09 egaudet: why would it have worked the second time then? and you're right, the DSi doesn't quite follow the same rules as a standard PC connection Jan 06 17:16:17 and it's picking up the DSi, then sending empty client list, then picking it up Jan 06 17:16:19 ohhh, ok Jan 06 17:16:53 hmm, so as long as there's at least one device already on the wifi list, it works (even when there really should be 2) Jan 06 17:16:57 but are the other issues you saw solved, e.g. client list etc... Jan 06 17:17:16 also try to connect the DSi twice in a row. Jan 06 17:17:18 absolutely! Jan 06 17:17:26 rather than dsi -> pc -> dsi Jan 06 17:17:33 ok, I'll give it a shot now. Jan 06 17:17:50 howdy folks - I need some assistance with installing preware... Jan 06 17:18:44 where are you in the process, PreNoob ? Jan 06 17:18:49 http://install.preware.org/ Jan 06 17:18:51 I had a PC running XP - which died, now I have a PC that's running windows 7 starter... and a Mac that's running 10.4 BOTH are not compatible with Quick Install Jan 06 17:19:57 I managed to get terminal, internalz, & brightness unlinked installed before my PCs motherboard took a crap Jan 06 17:20:06 PreNoob: have you tried just using the "get Preware" portiion of this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Jan 06 17:20:30 i know I should have FIRST installed PREWARE... but I am an idiot and hence why I'm here asking Jan 06 17:21:01 PreNoob: hah, everyone has to start somewhere, heck, yesterday egaudet led me through 3 hours of getting some logs off my phone :) Jan 06 17:21:56 PreNoob: use mac, install SDK, grab latest preware package from feed, palm-install it Jan 06 17:22:14 thanks for the link Flare576 - I was scouring the Preware.org page and it only had instructions via WOSQUI Jan 06 17:23:15 equadet - you mean via terminal on the pre? Jan 06 17:23:38 egaudet: i thought maybe the "Connection Test" was doing something odd to try and connect, so I tried just using a web-enabled application on it, still couldn't connect despite repeated attempts; I think as it stands there may need to be an existing device connected. Jan 06 17:25:26 PreNoob: I think he was talking about using your mac to install it remotely, kinda like... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux on the right Jan 06 17:25:54 Flare576 - i used the link you gave me and followed the instructions for doing it via terminal - thanks much!! Jan 06 17:26:13 awesome, glad you're up and running :) Jan 06 17:26:16 preware installed and purrin like a kitten Jan 06 17:26:55 * flare576 yells "Don't forget to donate" after the dust trail Jan 06 17:31:24 flare576: that is really odd Jan 06 17:31:52 flare576: do you have MHS ? Jan 06 17:32:44 I don't recognize the accronym Jan 06 17:34:15 The mobile hotspot app Jan 06 17:34:35 I used to, I removed it before installing the first release of the new FT Jan 06 17:34:52 did you ever use it with the DSi? Jan 06 17:34:56 new discovery: configuring the Nintendo DSi to have a static IP worked Jan 06 17:35:21 It had a problem where new devices starting connections would cause the data signal to drop, so it wasn't compatible. Jan 06 17:35:57 k I was just trying to see if there's anything that I can do different in FT service for this case Jan 06 17:36:03 (the DSi phones home immediately after creating a new connection to see if there are any firmware updates or changes to service agreement) Jan 06 17:36:16 if MHS worked for it then I'd be inclined to say i'm assuming something wrong or doing something wrong Jan 06 17:36:58 noppers, you're doing something even more right; there was absolutely no chance that MHS would ever have worked with DSi, at least the version I had. Jan 06 17:37:34 I'm going to do another dbus/log grab with the DSi setup to ignore DHCP, see if there's something you can spot that it does differently. Jan 06 17:38:00 dome a favor in the tail change it to: Jan 06 17:38:02 has anyone tested with a PS3/360/Wii yet? Jan 06 17:38:21 tail -f /var/log/messages |grep -v MUTEX Jan 06 17:38:30 flare576: not that I've heard Jan 06 17:39:39 ok, I'll see if I can give at least the Wii/PS3 a shot tonight; my brother-in-law has one of the new 360's with built-in wifi, but I don't know he wants me tinkering ;) Jan 06 17:40:38 egaudet: do you want "tail -f /var/log/messages | grep -v MUTEX | grep freetether" or do you just want everything except the MUTEX ? Jan 06 17:41:28 the former, thanks Jan 06 17:57:21 egaudet: that produced a log of much more reasonable length :D http://webos.pastebin.com/aFFVFVxM Jan 06 18:06:16 capture me wifi service and leave the DSi connected for a bit Jan 06 18:06:19 To be honest, expecting someone to do a manual configuration to work with a hotspot is pretty common (not that even attempting it is common as far as I've heard), but it just seems like there's a way around it in this case :D Jan 06 18:06:32 dbus-util --capture com.palm.wifi Jan 06 18:06:51 with the way I have it now? Jan 06 18:06:56 yeah Jan 06 18:07:00 ok dokey Jan 06 18:07:05 is the DSi internet good? or is it flakey? Jan 06 18:07:25 pretty solid, yup. I'm going to tool around some websites with it this time instead of just a connection test :D Jan 06 18:07:55 get me like 2 minutes idle, from fresh restart through connect and then 2 minutes idle. Then hit up some sites for couple minutes Jan 06 18:07:58 just want dbus, nothing from log? Jan 06 18:08:06 yeah just wifi dbus Jan 06 18:08:37 cool, I can do that, but I'm not sure exactly what the DSi is going to do during that "connected, but idle" state :) Jan 06 18:09:12 pre restarting now, so.. I'll be able to test in about 3 days. Jan 06 18:17:50 hrm, keeps giving me (matching bus containing 'com.palm.wifi') then exiting. Jan 06 18:18:37 I got that with org.webosinternals.freetether every time I restarted, but I usually solved it with a swipe-up and showing the app menu... Jan 06 18:19:54 annnd now it's working; squeaky wheel and all that, I guess Jan 06 18:24:30 * destinal is strongly considering buying a ps3 now that the root keys have been published. Jan 06 18:24:58 actually controlling the hardware you buy is rather important IMO Jan 06 18:33:58 egaudet: gotta warn you, this one is pretty boring ;) http://webos.pastebin.com/j8ayYiwm Jan 06 18:35:10 destinal: yeah, I'm pretty impressed with all the stuff they have going on with the PS3; not sure I'm ready to take a dip in that pool yet, but very interesting. Jan 06 18:36:32 bought palm pre and nook color both based on news that they weren't locked down. even if I don't have a pressing need to run my own code, I want to know that I can if I want to Jan 06 18:37:33 the nook color is a hell of a proposition. I have the original wifi/3g nook, and had it rooted for the first few months for browsing capability until B&N added an official one. Jan 06 18:38:54 The lock on what you can do with the 3g on the nook 3g is a little disappointing, but I think hacking around it is damn near impossible (or at least against a few points of the EULA) Jan 06 18:41:06 destinal: is the nook color wifi only or 3g as well? Jan 06 18:42:11 flare576: wifi only, though there are some pads on the board for sdio 3g/4g chip -- these pads are not populated in the current version but indicate they may be planning on something Jan 06 18:42:41 for a future production run Jan 06 18:43:26 gotcha, very interesting. I enjoyed reading that you could root the device, access android app store, grab the kindle app, and read books from amazon :) Jan 06 18:44:21 heh, freedom of choice is nice. angry birds seems to be popular too. why these things out of everything a tablet computer can do, I have no idea, but there you go Jan 06 18:44:24 I'd rather give my $$ to BN, but it's a novel idea for folks who already have a kindle. Jan 06 18:46:02 I think it goes in phases; I haven't used my Pre for anything more than a "dumb phone" for the last month or two, but for now I'm gung-ho for getting tethering and streaming data and IRC and whatever else I can pack into it :) Jan 06 18:48:49 a little off-topic, but I hope Palm nails on-screen keyboard. After almost 1.5 years of physical keyboards and 4 different Pres because of slider/keyboard issues, I'm sort of thinking about jumping ship to on-screen. Swipe is sexy. Jan 06 18:50:17 there's always something to be said for losing the screen real estate, but I'd at least like the choice. your guy's on-screen is sweet, don't get me wrong, but I still want to see what Palm has up their sleeves. Jan 06 18:54:54 flare576: have you seen that an on screen keyboard comes built into webos 2.0.0 and higher? Jan 06 18:55:44 Palm's clearly looking at slate type devices and, well, tablets :) Jan 06 18:57:10 destinal: I have not, actually, I'll start poking around some Jan 06 18:57:42 I'm excited to see what webos-internals does to a stock 1ghz processor :D Jan 06 18:57:53 flare576: I would expect to see a tablet announced at their February event and given the codenames we've seen in the 2.0 doctor and which ones have keyboards, either a second tablet or an iphone-shaped something with a big glass screen Jan 06 18:58:07 flare576: http://www.precentral.net/on-screen-keyboard-live-and-working-webos-2-0-update-x2-video Jan 06 18:58:20 2.0 built in OSK ^ Jan 06 19:02:13 I love that the keyboard is "universal" in that it doesn't falter between apps. It definitely needs a little polish, though. Jan 06 19:04:11 I have a coworker with an iPhone, mac, and iPad, and I have to admit, I really like the fact that all of his devices live in sort of an "ecosystem." He takes his iPad to a meeting, types up notes while he's there, they get synced back to his mac automagically, he can update a project plan on his mac, transfer it down to his phone or ipad so that he can bring it to my desk... it's slick, and I want it on WebOS. Jan 06 19:05:39 oh yeah, that's the other thing I can't wait for with 2.0... bluetooth keyboards :D Jan 06 19:12:39 am I still me... Jan 06 19:12:44 score. Jan 06 21:45:29 anyone know where I can download the ipkg for VIM Jan 06 21:46:09 littulb: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware Jan 06 21:46:23 yeah add the optware feed to preware Jan 06 21:46:55 I've added that feed... but dont see VIM in the list/ Jan 06 21:48:06 is it called something else in the feed? Jan 06 21:50:02 wow, almost all the tablets at CES this year seem to look like iPad Jan 06 21:50:15 guess you'll have to do it manually Jan 06 21:50:16 destinal: yep... Jan 06 21:50:34 destinal: chinese companies are unoriginal? color me shocked. Jan 06 21:50:38 destinal: you were expecting something new and innovative? Jan 06 21:50:39 littulb: you probably need to do ipkg-opt install vim manually Jan 06 21:50:41 xD Jan 06 21:50:56 littulb: since no vim package for preware was created Jan 06 21:50:58 oilsworkn: heh, well hopefully PalmPad will be something different I suppose Jan 06 21:51:28 well Jan 06 21:51:34 it will be different in that its not running android Jan 06 21:51:40 destinal: it's going to be a giant pre with full size slideout keyboard, numpad and all Jan 06 21:51:43 destinal: it can look like the ipad, the ipad has a nice huuge bezel, perfect for the gesture area Jan 06 21:51:52 but a tablet really only has one shape Jan 06 21:52:29 and thats rectangular Jan 06 21:52:33 eh, there's no real reason they couldn't make it octagon shaped, other than that it would be stupid Jan 06 21:52:47 pentagonal? Jan 06 21:53:11 oilsworkn: yeah but these are the same as iPad as in black, rectangular borders in the same dimensions on some Jan 06 21:53:31 yeah Jan 06 21:53:37 gkatsev: I'm sure general dynamics is working on that for a certain customer Jan 06 21:53:44 lol Jan 06 22:25:10 Anyone 2.x doctored a Pre 1 yet? Jan 06 22:25:40 anyone who has wouldn't be able to talk about it in a public channel Jan 06 22:25:59 lingfish: with the public 2.0.1, some have, but nobody has gotten a working Luna in such a configuration Jan 06 22:26:30 Ah, so krazy hackery hasn't worked :) Jan 06 22:26:34 rwhitby: indeed Jan 06 22:26:38 related to the different SGX core revision (graphics/DSP) Jan 06 22:26:51 between castle and roadrunner Jan 06 22:27:31 Right. Jan 06 22:27:34 lingfish: to be honest I have ideas but haven't pursued them since I expected an official release in December Jan 06 22:28:59 Maybe by Feb 9 now? Jan 06 22:29:32 probably sooner , 2/9 is all about the new tablets / phones / whatever Jan 06 22:29:57 time to try to build widk again Jan 06 22:30:19 rwhitby: but I've been wrong before and maybe 2.0 on castle is march or later Jan 06 22:30:33 The coming months tells you nothing other than there are months that aren't here yet Jan 06 22:30:37 destinal: please... start formatting dates smartly like the rest of the world, and go to metric ;) Jan 06 22:31:01 lol Jan 06 22:31:10 yeah, 2nd September is a bit late for stuff Jan 06 22:31:11 lol, USA, last holdout of the british imperial backwardness :) Jan 06 22:31:13 yeah it'd suck to have to wait until september Jan 06 22:31:22 hehehee Jan 06 22:31:36 Imperial I get... but seriously??? mm/dd/ ?!?!? Jan 06 22:31:43 It's just plain broken. Jan 06 22:31:44 I don't know, the british still hang on to a lot of that crap too Jan 06 22:32:02 lingfish: worse is that they even do mm/dd/yy Jan 06 22:32:12 lingfish: 2011-09-02 better? Jan 06 22:32:13 heh. Jan 06 22:32:19 nooooooooooo! Jan 06 22:32:21 :P Jan 06 22:32:24 lingfish: I think it's related to speech, it's quite normal to say month-day here Jan 06 22:32:25 yyyy-mm-dd or dd-mm-yyyy! Jan 06 22:32:26 there is no way that a logical thinking person can rationalise writing a date as mm/dd/yy Jan 06 22:32:34 destinal: actually that's my favorite Jan 06 22:32:40 hahahah Jan 06 22:33:54 I know I know I did it to mess with ling. obviously from sorting you want yy-mm-dd (most to least significant in ordering) Jan 06 22:35:12 which is why I think 2/9 is more sensible personally Jan 06 22:35:24 Honestly, even on tax doco etc I just use yyyymmdd... even my photography. Jan 06 22:35:27 Exactly, for sorting. Jan 06 22:36:08 * rwhitby bbl Jan 06 22:36:45 but then you should have 10/2/9 which makes no sense from an offhand reference perspective, maybe my brain is just wired for the system I grew up using. Jan 06 22:37:26 well two digit years are just wrong to begin with Jan 06 22:37:36 and it'd be 11/2/9 Jan 06 22:37:50 err right, 11/2/9. force of habit there Jan 06 22:38:31 Loudergood: actually two digits makes a lot of sense when not programming computers. economical and generally unambiguous Jan 06 22:38:48 after all I don't plan to be anywhere in 1911 or 2111 Jan 06 22:40:21 If I start a story with: back in the summer of 92, referring to myself, it's safe to assume 1992 :) Jan 06 22:44:34 writing dates on documentation even, if would be a bit odd if you don't already know what century the document is from. Jan 06 22:45:29 ack, MS Windows on OMAP! Jan 06 22:45:47 real men just say "that one day wth the thing" Jan 06 22:45:50 * destinal hides Jan 06 22:46:06 I want it on the new moto phone Jan 06 22:46:22 halfhalo: or just use the word "dude" and vary your meaning based on intonation Jan 06 22:47:18 heh Jan 06 22:47:33 dest, have you seen the atrix? Jan 06 22:47:42 and lack of tabcomplet ucks Jan 06 22:49:01 * halfhalo tried to find arm booth Jan 06 22:50:57 halfhalo: Atrix looks really cool. I like the idea of a pocket computer that can expand out to fill whatever I/O you have Jan 06 22:51:11 yeah Jan 06 22:51:22 after all modern ARM processors are getting to be quite good netbooks Jan 06 22:51:41 I wanna see the embedded linux replaced with something else though fr kicks Jan 06 22:52:51 halfhalo: I wonder if they've done cryptographic bootloader locks or if you could put whatever you want on it Jan 06 22:53:08 I dunno.. but it is running metacity Jan 06 22:53:26 and has ff with full plugins Jan 06 22:54:17 seems like it would be fun to hack on Jan 06 22:54:28 halfhalo: I had thought it was all android from reading that article Jan 06 22:54:31 any links? Jan 06 22:54:48 no links... saw it first hand Jan 06 22:54:58 and played with the media dock as well Jan 06 22:56:45 halfhalo: lots of hacking possibilities for the dock connectors too Jan 06 22:57:24 yupyup Jan 06 22:57:29 I mean if you can get keyboard and touchpad inputs and vodeo output for the netbook style dock, you could do all kinds of other things with those ports just as well Jan 06 22:57:40 s/vodeo/video/ Jan 06 22:57:44 destinal meant: I mean if you can get keyboard and touchpad inputs and video output for the netbook style dock, you could do all kinds of other things with those ports just as well Jan 06 22:57:46 docs have usb Jan 06 22:58:14 docks Jan 06 22:59:53 It always seems bizarre to me, Palm pulled the Foleo just before netbooks took off. They would have been in a perfect position. Jan 06 23:01:14 ehhh Jan 06 23:01:22 not really Jan 06 23:01:30 no? Jan 06 23:01:46 nope Jan 06 23:02:07 care to elaborate? Jan 06 23:02:24 foleo was a whole seperate device that still needed a smartphone to function Jan 06 23:02:48 halfhalo: and your netbook doesn't? Jan 06 23:03:14 doesn't need a smartphne nope Jan 06 23:03:18 halfhalo: not talking about Atrix, just netbooks before they become phone docking stations Jan 06 23:03:50 yeah I know Jan 06 23:03:58 halfhalo: from what I'm reading, Foleo was a linux netbook, with the option of tethering to your palm phone Jan 06 23:04:10 but a netbook just fine without that Jan 06 23:04:52 Hrm, is Terminal meant to work on 2.0.1? Jan 06 23:04:59 It installs, but I just get a black screen... Jan 06 23:05:07 iirc it was a req, not an option Jan 06 23:05:16 lingfish: terminal = fail on webos 2.0 and higher :( Jan 06 23:05:27 destinal: damn... k, ta. Jan 06 23:06:25 lingfish: you could try "secure shell" in the testing feed. no idea how functional it is at the moment Jan 06 23:06:51 k Jan 06 23:07:42 destinal: the foleo wasa great concept but horrible implementation, ad I think the atrix will be... inteesting at launch as well Jan 06 23:08:01 Hi everyone Jan 06 23:08:16 NuttyBunny: hey Jan 06 23:08:33 if the os is switched to windows and has gpu accl, it will sell Jan 06 23:08:44 I would buy it in a heartbeat Jan 06 23:11:00 since it would replace my laptop Jan 06 23:14:10 halfhalo: ugh windows? Jan 06 23:14:33 I need to rant about the Telcel 2.0 Pre video that went online on "PoderPDA"... but can't!! :( Jan 06 23:14:35 hmm well that didn't work any better than last time, different error though Jan 06 23:14:57 halfhalo: how much of the software you use will be available for ARM on Windows, anyway? Jan 06 23:15:25 NuttyBunny: 2.0 on the original Pre ? Jan 06 23:15:45 Yep, the video that appeared on PreCentral :) Jan 06 23:17:35 NuttyBunny: ah I missed it. just watching it now. Jan 06 23:18:19 NuttyBunny: looks good from the video. now when are they releasing it? Jan 06 23:18:55 2.0? for Telcel Pre? who knows... I guess mid feb, after the HP's conference :) Jan 06 23:19:16 I meant for the other Pre's Jan 06 23:19:19 NuttyBunny: My spanish isn't great, but good enough to understand it. Seems like a favorable description. Jan 06 23:19:33 for Telcel, I don't think it will see the light of the day :( Jan 06 23:23:14 NuttyBunny: did you notice that there's an Exhibition icon in one of his launcher pages? Jan 06 23:23:42 that's not 2.0.1 Jan 06 23:24:41 yeah, he obviously got that somewhere else Jan 06 23:24:50 No, that's not 2.0.1 or 2.0, but the sneaky bastard hid it in the first page Jan 06 23:37:59 Verizon Wireless and HP Introduce Industry's First Notebook PCs to Use @VerizonWireless 4G LTE Network http://bit.ly/fG6iFG Jan 06 23:38:34 oh, windows.. :( Jan 06 23:41:24 NuttyBunny: just tether with one of the 4g tablets / phones that are coming out Jan 06 23:43:37 but they won't have webOS Jan 06 23:47:13 NuttyBunny: palm's gotta give us a webos 4g phone eventually if they plan on staying around I think Jan 06 23:47:18 err HP now I suppose Jan 06 23:47:37 and I guess HP doesn't have to do anything to stay around if they want to spend money :) Jan 06 23:48:52 heh, i thought they were trying to move past the fiorina era ;) Jan 06 23:49:07 I just really hope webOS gains at least some of the marketshare this year, my gf loves my Pre (she has the Pre, I have a Plus), but she bought a Xperia Mini just for the medical apps :( Jan 06 23:50:32 yeah, my gf needs to buy a new phone to move to verizon..I'm thinking of pushing her towards the pixi..she's not really a data user though.. Jan 06 23:51:24 all she wants is a good qwerty phone that she can get for relatively cheap that I can hook up to page plus Jan 06 23:51:31 Loudergood: even if not a data user, having your contacts in the cloud is handy Jan 06 23:51:43 which is prepaid bring your own phone on verizon Jan 06 23:51:49 oh i agree Jan 06 23:53:01 she wants a clamshell qwerty phone but there's a real lack of those Jan 06 23:56:09 hi, I just upgraded to the Pre 2 but all my bookmarks are messed up, anyone know where I can go to fix it? Jan 06 23:58:53 Messed as in different order? Jan 07 00:00:29 hmm..maybe widk will work this time Jan 07 00:00:34 from the start page I have them all, but when I press on the app menu then bookmarks to edit or delete any of them, the list there is empty Jan 07 00:01:19 aaaaah, no, I don't know then :( Jan 07 00:02:13 yeah, its a weird one, I was wondering if all of them were stored in a file or something that I can delete or modify Jan 07 00:02:47 Gotta go! I don't want to be stuck in traffic, see ya later! Jan 07 00:02:57 good luck Jan 07 00:03:12 anyone else have any ideas? Jan 07 00:05:56 Bb: don't have any ideas since haven't have time to look into it, but I have the same problem Jan 07 00:07:06 Sonia: have you found any way to delete some bookmarks? Jan 07 00:07:40 sorry sconix, spellcheck changed the name for me Jan 07 00:09:42 I was thinking first to just try the clear bookmarks menu entry since its not that big of a task to add all back, have you tried it? Jan 07 00:12:22 how do you do that? Jan 07 00:31:27 sorry wirc froze Jan 07 00:48:58 woo an error Jan 07 00:51:38 sb2: Error: No target specified and none set as default, aborting. Jan 07 01:00:37 Louder|laptop: did you set the -M option? Jan 07 01:04:41 hmm let me check Jan 07 01:06:01 no, I was following the steps in the wiki and I didn't see that anywhere Jan 07 01:06:36 when you start an sb2 session, you run "sb2 -M /path/to/mapping-armv6" or v7 Jan 07 01:06:47 * rwhitby listens to PalmCast Jan 07 01:06:49 or are you in the middle of make toolchain/stage? Jan 07 01:07:00 yes, yes I am Jan 07 01:07:13 hey rwhitby, i was told to talk to you about getting commit access to cross-compile.git Jan 07 01:07:34 Louder|laptop: which package are you at? Jan 07 01:08:36 if I'm not mistaken it looks like glib-2.0 Jan 07 01:12:02 could you pastebin the last 30-50 lines? Jan 07 01:12:19 basically the output starting with "Entering directory ...glib2.0" till the end Jan 07 01:15:44 sure Jan 07 01:16:27 hmm..there's a lot of no such file or directories in here Jan 07 01:19:57 http://webos.pastebin.com/tm57BCXZ Jan 07 01:21:54 those are all before that log though Jan 07 01:23:10 that's an odd error Jan 07 01:23:16 did you ever do the sb2-init line? Jan 07 01:23:36 the second box here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Setup_Scratchbox Jan 07 01:28:59 apparently not Jan 07 01:29:17 Does QT work for anyone anymore? Last time i tried it none of the applcations would run... Jan 07 01:29:38 I wanted to try and write some apps using Lazarus and see if i could get them to run on the Pre Jan 07 01:30:06 hacknperl: for 1.4.5, the jail gets in the way Jan 07 01:30:16 you can run them from command line, or turn off jails Jan 07 01:30:20 jail? Jan 07 01:30:33 jail? Jan 07 01:31:03 Do you guys think it would be hard to install perl on the device and use that to write scripts.... Jan 07 01:31:22 Instead of javascript and html... perl and html Jan 07 01:31:49 you'd still need javascript to interact with HTML Jan 07 01:32:53 unless you used a perl-dom bind somehow, which in my head seems rather complicated and unnecessary Jan 07 01:33:03 I was thinking if we made a native webos app that interacted with perl scripts... then just make some cool apps for the pre that way... it gets more complicated then that i know... i am just trying to think of a way to use perl to make some simple apps Jan 07 01:33:31 if you got a perl interpreter written in javascript, you could use perl but that would be extra slow Jan 07 01:34:00 ok I've got make stage going again here Jan 07 01:34:29 so it was sb2-init? Jan 07 01:35:15 well not an interpreter written in javascript... i am thinking a simple systemmm something like back in the days of perl/cgi... if we had a webos app with an htmlview and then the interface of the perl script can be drawn with standard html... nevermind all of it... lol Jan 07 01:36:09 perl is a pretty big install, isn't it? Jan 07 01:36:28 fahhem: yeah it was Jan 07 01:36:37 it's going much father so far Jan 07 01:37:00 i hope with my commits in recently you should get all the way through without a problem Jan 07 01:37:45 unless someone made a significant svn commit to a trunk-tracking package in widk in the last week Jan 07 01:38:22 I was having a libtool issue a few days ago Jan 07 01:38:32 and decided to try again from scratch today Jan 07 01:39:30 perl could probably be installed in under 30 megabytes... which is a lot Jan 07 01:39:36 for a phone lol Jan 07 01:39:47 yeah, i made some libtool fixes Jan 07 01:39:58 oh good Jan 07 01:41:10 rwhitby: any reason you added the 2009q1 toolchain? Jan 07 01:43:47 yes, that's the toolchain used by Palm for webOS 2.0 Jan 07 01:44:48 alright, i'll try to update the wiki once 2.0 is out on the older pre/pixis Jan 07 01:52:29 this is a pretty long build Jan 07 01:54:23 yeah, took me 3 days (including hiccups and running out of space) Jan 07 01:54:51 that's right, I remeber you telling me that now Jan 07 01:55:04 lucky for me I'm home for evening and plugged in Jan 07 01:55:29 doing it on your laptop? Jan 07 01:55:52 if your computer is faster than 1GHz, then it'll be faster Jan 07 01:56:57 yeah it's got a 2ghz core2 duo in it Jan 07 01:57:22 I've got a more powerful desktop, but I always seem to get more work done on this thinkpad Jan 07 01:58:41 i'm the other way around, but i ssh into my desktop since it's always online while my laptop goes with me to classes and such Jan 07 01:59:27 yeah taking this to class was the best decision I ever made, trying to develop on lab machines and then take the work home sucked Jan 07 02:02:02 damn..there's that libtool error again Jan 07 02:04:00 thinks I'm using 2.1a for some reason Jan 07 02:05:02 http://webos.pastebin.com/C3isa8Vk Jan 07 02:05:53 yeah, you need some pretty upgraded packages for this stuff if you're in debian Jan 07 02:06:05 that's where it gets weird Jan 07 02:06:21 I'm using ubuntu Jan 07 02:06:45 Package: libtool Jan 07 02:06:46 Versions: Jan 07 02:06:48 2.2.6b-2ubuntu1 Jan 07 02:07:18 that's your own system, sb2 has it's own libtool installed from when you run sb2-init Jan 07 02:08:40 ooh ok Jan 07 02:11:23 i think since you ran some stuff without running sb2-init, you may need to run a make clean/clobber to restart from scratch(box) Jan 07 02:13:46 well, we'll find out then Jan 07 02:14:40 let me go ahead and nuke the whole thing just to be sure Jan 07 02:15:11 yeah, did that twice Jan 07 02:15:26 rm -rf cross-compiling; git clone ... Jan 07 02:15:32 yup Jan 07 02:16:37 at least the servers are fast Jan 07 02:17:09 and my desktop crashed...that's not good, all it was doing was playing music.. Jan 07 02:20:25 and make toolchain Jan 07 02:20:50 i've had that problem with windows Jan 07 02:22:05 yeah, it's been doing that every few days since I update security essentials to 2.0 Jan 07 02:30:45 ok toolchain done Jan 07 02:33:51 running PATH=/srv/preware/cross-compile/toolchain/arm-2007q3/bin:${PATH} sb2-init -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm armv7 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc Jan 07 02:36:26 ok that's done Jan 07 02:36:52 back to make stage Jan 07 02:44:15 I don't know why but I love watching the readout fly by on the terminal when I'm compiling Jan 07 02:45:11 it's pretty cool, though a little boring after a while Jan 07 02:47:51 yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 07 02:59:58 2011