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Jan 14 03:49:49 <osahum> did anyone had the chance to try the new F105 161 kernel
Jan 14 03:51:00 <rwhitby> I used it to test Govnah 0.7.15
Jan 14 03:51:23 <osahum> did u like it?
Jan 14 04:51:58 <sethron|pre> testing delta dagger 1.4.5-161
Jan 14 05:03:30 <ka6sox> okay who is in SOCAL or close enough to come out to SCALE: www.socallinuxexpo.org
Jan 14 05:03:36 * halfhalo is!
Jan 14 05:03:40 <ka6sox> we (webos-internals) has a boot!
Jan 14 05:03:43 <ka6sox> er booth!
Jan 14 05:03:50 <ka6sox> (stand for you europeans)
Jan 14 05:03:50 <halfhalo> boot would be cooler....
Jan 14 05:04:29 <RagingMind> webos on a boot?  why not? :)
Jan 14 05:05:28 <SineOt> It's a bit of a drive but LAX isn't that far off
Jan 14 05:05:35 <sethron|pre> ka6sox I am close
Jan 14 05:05:57 * halfhalo is good as long as there is no traffic
Jan 14 05:06:00 <halfhalo> GRRR TRAFFIC!
Jan 14 05:06:46 <rwhitby> ka6sox: tweet it
Jan 14 05:09:16 <gkatsev> rwhitby: you better get started on that kayak if you want to be in SF by the time the HP event starts.
Jan 14 05:14:04 <scoutcamper> rwhitby, i see lots of kayaking in your future :D http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Adelaide,+South+Australia,+Australia&daddr=San+Francisco,+CA&hl=en&geocode=FRMI6_0dF95CCCk_sybFxzW3ajFAxo5iVDYDBA%3BFVJmQAIdKAe0-CkhAGkAbZqFgDH_rXbwZxNQSg&mra=ls&sll=-7.783119,170.006875&sspn=107.20857,158.027344&ie=UTF8&ll=7.013668,-176.660156&spn=107.294618,158.027344&t=h&z=3
Jan 14 05:14:38 <ka6sox> rwhitby, er..um...hmmm
Jan 14 05:14:45 <rwhitby> google takes the long way
Jan 14 05:15:17 <ka6sox> okay I could try that but with only 4 people following that will go no place...
Jan 14 05:15:30 * halfhalo will retweet
Jan 14 05:15:35 <k[t> :so is the url... =\
Jan 14 05:15:40 <rwhitby> ka6sox: that's where retweets come in
Jan 14 05:16:13 <gkatsev> and then adora will retweet it and everyone will know.
Jan 14 05:16:28 <halfhalo> DUNDUNDUN
Jan 14 05:17:33 <gkatsev> also, are all roads in japan toll roads? at least so it seems according to that google map
Jan 14 05:18:27 * gkatsev goes to sleep. Will RT in the morning.
Jan 14 05:18:29 <gkatsev> night all.
Jan 14 05:22:09 <ka6sox> okay lets see if I broke twitter with my awful posting.
Jan 14 05:22:10 <ka6sox> :D
Jan 14 05:22:30 * halfhalo can halps
Jan 14 05:22:59 * scoutcamper RT'd
Jan 14 05:23:29 <ka6sox> oh no...I'm d00med
Jan 14 05:23:37 <halfhalo> https://github.com/halfhalo/node-regexify werd...
Jan 14 05:23:58 <gkatsev> RTed. Now i'm going to sleep
Jan 14 05:24:05 * halfhalo has an excuse for typing all weird, he's on a mbp.  what excuse does ka6sox have!?!
Jan 14 05:24:21 <ka6sox> on MB
Jan 14 05:24:36 <halfhalo> valid excuse!
Jan 14 05:24:43 <rwhitby> ka6sox: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/exhibitors/hp
Jan 14 05:25:22 <ka6sox> rwhitby, ya, I know the guy who comes...
Jan 14 05:25:25 <rwhitby> ka6sox: we're not listed there yet
Jan 14 05:25:34 <ka6sox> we will be tonight
Jan 14 05:25:44 <ka6sox> I have the packet in my hot little hands.
Jan 14 05:26:08 <rwhitby> ka6sox: ok, I'll spruce up http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitor/webos-internals.html
Jan 14 05:26:28 <ka6sox> please do
Jan 14 05:26:30 <ka6sox> I need to send that NOW.
Jan 14 05:26:42 <ka6sox> as I've asked him to get it posted.
Jan 14 05:27:06 <ka6sox> last year we generated a LOT of buzz
Jan 14 05:27:25 <rwhitby> s/native binary applications (such as our latest SDL games)./hybrid applications (such as the premier webOS IRC client)./
Jan 14 05:28:19 <rwhitby> s/Preware, Terminal, wIRC, Virtual Keyboard/Preware, Govnah, UberKernel, Terminal, freeTether, wIRC, Virtual Keyboard/
Jan 14 05:28:48 <halfhalo> no love for impostah?
Jan 14 05:28:56 <rwhitby> nah
Jan 14 05:29:21 <rwhitby> ka6sox: and we need to put a link in to the NYC dev day youtube too
Jan 14 05:29:45 <ka6sox> okay you write it up...I give it to them :D
Jan 14 05:32:14 * halfhalo is done coding for the night.  writing half a page of doco was just killer
Jan 14 05:35:55 <rwhitby> ka6sox: email sent to you
Jan 14 05:36:04 <ka6sox> rwhitby, thanks
Jan 14 05:49:30 <osahum> is there here anyone would like to volunteer explaining to me some basics about VDD2 and other stuff related to the custom kernels?
Jan 14 06:02:44 <osahum> i have a questiob about VDD2
Jan 14 06:02:52 <osahum> question
Jan 14 06:35:16 <ka6sox> I need a logo that is at least 200px wide
Jan 14 06:35:27 <ka6sox> the one we used last year was too small
Jan 14 09:56:53 * Jack87 been neglecting webos-internals... aww.. miss you guys
Jan 14 10:04:35 <ka6sox> awwwww.
Jan 14 10:04:39 <ka6sox> we are still here.
Jan 14 10:06:09 <Jack87> :-)
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Jan 14 14:38:42 <semprance> rhwitby: backup is now just about usable. Restores conversations and standard sms (but not mms/im yet).
Jan 14 15:19:16 <RagingMind> semprance, backup and restore of messages?!  yay!
Jan 14 15:26:21 <semprance> maybe
Jan 14 15:26:29 <semprance> ;-)
Jan 14 15:26:49 <semprance> should take me another decade or so to work out the kinks..
Jan 14 15:28:36 <Rick_work> morning
Jan 14 17:59:15 <RagingMind> my messages are the only reason I haven't doctored my phone yet
Jan 14 18:06:49 <semprance> it's a pity it doesn't backup as default
Jan 14 18:15:39 <scooter314> hola
Jan 14 18:41:15 <phil_bw> hey quick favor: where does the browser save it's files again?  I vaguely remember a bunch of buckets... just not where
Jan 14 18:51:44 <phil_bw> man are people actually working or something.  not enoigh wIRC users it seems
Jan 14 18:52:04 <semprance> what files do you want? Downloads or db stuff?
Jan 14 18:52:17 <phil_bw> downloads
Jan 14 18:52:31 <phil_bw> I used to know but it's been ages since I accessed that area
Jan 14 18:52:35 <semprance> ./media/internal/downloads
Jan 14 18:52:38 <semprance> without the dot
Jan 14 18:52:40 <semprance> i think
Jan 14 18:52:47 <phil_bw> you sure?
Jan 14 18:53:05 <semprance> let me check
Jan 14 18:53:21 <phil_bw> ah crap
Jan 14 18:53:23 <phil_bw> you're right
Jan 14 18:53:28 <semprance> mm yeah I think it is
Jan 14 18:53:28 <phil_bw> my goodness
Jan 14 18:54:03 <phil_bw> oh I'm an idiot, it's *email* attachments that get buried in the abyss
Jan 14 18:54:19 <phil_bw> well anyway thank you
Jan 14 18:54:43 <semprance> no problem
Jan 14 22:23:32 <f13ftw> greetings all
Jan 15 01:01:09 <linuxman410> i am trying to install preware i got to blue arrow and nothing there
Jan 15 01:01:51 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-14-a.html is the support forum for WebOS Quick Install
Jan 15 01:02:49 <rwhitby> I personally use palm-install from the official Palm SDK to install Preware.
Jan 15 01:02:58 <scoutcamper> Egaudget, PuffTheMagic, im going down Interstate 5 in Cali and on IRC thanks to Freetether! I love WebosInternals
Jan 15 01:03:15 <halfhalo> ewww, the 5
Jan 15 01:03:19 <rwhitby> hopefully you're not the one driving
Jan 15 01:03:39 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 15 01:03:50 <scoutcamper> rwhitby, nope :D
Jan 15 01:04:05 * halfhalo avoids the 5 as much as possible
Jan 15 01:04:17 <scoutcamper> halfhalo, its not bad yet, ill be in sac in about an hr, that will be bad :D
Jan 15 01:06:37 <linuxman410> have tried every mode i could standalone is not there tried it
Jan 15 01:09:59 <linuxman410> i clicked on stand alone it says not found
Jan 15 01:12:28 <scoutcamper> linuxman410, explain in detail please
Jan 15 01:13:41 <linuxman410> i open the stand alone installer and it closes i use the othe option and hit blue arrow no files there
Jan 15 01:14:12 <scoutcamper> linuxman410, dont use standalone, pick Webos Quick Install or PalmSDK
Jan 15 01:15:20 <linuxman410> i tried quick install and hit blue arrow no files there
Jan 15 01:15:58 <rwhitby> scoutcamper: what's wrong with using the standalone installer?
Jan 15 01:15:58 <scoutcamper> bbl
Jan 15 01:19:40 <linuxman410> my updates say mac has newer version of java could that be stopping it cause it not installed
Jan 15 01:20:36 <SineOt> which version of OSX? 10.5? 10.6?
Jan 15 01:21:25 <linuxman410> 10.6
Jan 15 01:22:15 * rwhitby notes that this particular situation is described in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app that you can download from the official app catalog ...
Jan 15 01:22:28 <destinal> linuxman410: I believe this question is answered in Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the app catalog, but basically you have to switch your Java version
Jan 15 01:22:41 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 15 01:22:43 <linuxman410> it says the update will update java se 6 to 1.6.0_22
Jan 15 01:22:57 * halfhalo bought phd
Jan 15 01:23:10 * rwhitby bbl, since PHD can do the rest from here
Jan 15 01:26:38 <linuxman410> the java only has one version on this mac that is se 6
Jan 15 01:27:27 <linuxman410> it is already at 1.6
Jan 15 01:29:13 <destinal> hehCNN's Richard Quest reviews the ipad and compares apple's walled garden "nonsense" to "Palm, and Pre, with the homebrews and all of that sort of stuff with the patches.."
Jan 15 01:29:58 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 15 01:30:24 <linuxman410> what do i do now
Jan 15 01:30:59 <linuxman410> web quick install and web doctor are in same folder
Jan 15 01:33:55 <destinal> Tibfib: I had no idea that homebrew was mainstream enough that a CNN journalist uses it and compares it with off the shelf products from other vendors  :)
Jan 15 01:34:24 <Tibfib> heh. me either. pretty cool! even if it he did refer to it as that "stuff with the patches"
Jan 15 01:37:04 <rwhitby> destinal: got a URL for that clip?
Jan 15 01:41:26 <destinal> wow they make it hard to get a direct video URL
Jan 15 01:41:28 <destinal> rwhitby:   http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/tech/2010/04/30/quest.han.ipad.review.cnn.html
Jan 15 01:42:24 <destinal> rwhitby: walled garden and then palm pre reference about 4:30 in
Jan 15 01:43:55 <linuxman410> am i gonna have to borrow a windows computer to install preware
Jan 15 01:44:17 <destinal> linuxman410: just switch java versions
Jan 15 01:44:37 <linuxman410> it only has one version
Jan 15 01:45:01 <egaudet> just use palm-install
Jan 15 01:45:03 <linuxman410> and that is 1.6
Jan 15 01:45:22 <SineOt> egaudet: switch Java versions to what?
Jan 15 01:45:24 <linuxman410> where do i get palm install
Jan 15 01:45:31 <destinal> linuxman410: have you installed the Palm SD?
Jan 15 01:45:34 <destinal> Palm SDK?
Jan 15 01:45:34 <SineOt> it's in the Palm SDK
Jan 15 01:45:45 <egaudet> ?
Jan 15 01:46:07 <linuxman410> how do i do that
Jan 15 01:46:44 <destinal> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=palm+sdk
Jan 15 01:46:52 <SineOt> Even here on my 10.6 system, there's only two options: 1.6.0_22 in 32-bit and 64-bit
Jan 15 01:47:57 <destinal> SineOt: I thought he had an older version set as primary.   My mistake.  May be a webos quick install issue and palm-install from SDK is the easiest thing
Jan 15 01:48:08 <SineOt> I think so, yeah
Jan 15 01:48:23 <SineOt> Unless webOS Quick Install has issues running under the 64 bit SDK
Jan 15 01:48:35 <Tibfib> no
Jan 15 01:48:35 <Tibfib> pe
Jan 15 01:48:52 <Tibfib> at least not on my machine
Jan 15 01:50:47 <linuxman410> you have to use a virtual box to install sdk
Jan 15 01:51:04 <SineOt> No. You can just install the SDK by itself.
Jan 15 01:51:17 <destinal> linuxman410: no, virtualbox is an optional component, only needed if you want to run the emulator
Jan 15 01:53:37 <linuxman410> just download sdk file and run it
Jan 15 01:56:46 <destinal> linuxman410: install sdk,    download the preware ipk,   from command line cd to wherever the ipk is and     palm-install preware*ipk
Jan 15 01:57:00 <destinal> err palm-install *preware*ipk
Jan 15 01:57:03 <Tibfib> destinal: that Richard Quest guy talks funnny :)
Jan 15 01:57:21 <Tibfib> and no, I'm not making fun of his accent
Jan 15 01:57:45 <destinal> Tibfib: yeah, he has a strange way with words for a journalist :)
Jan 15 01:58:10 <Tibfib> heh
Jan 15 01:58:56 <destinal> rwhitby: we should do a web application for installing preware for anyone with novacom drivers like the way ares installs things
Jan 15 02:00:25 <Tibfib> +1
Jan 15 02:12:41 * halfhalo runs away
Jan 15 02:15:46 * halfhalo thinks it kinda sorta be feasible
Jan 15 02:17:51 <destinal> halfhalo: ares does it already, right?
Jan 15 02:18:03 <halfhalo> I think so
Jan 15 02:18:24 <halfhalo> dunno how hard building a bridge between js and java would be tho
Jan 15 02:19:28 <linuxman410> where do i get preware.ipk
Jan 15 02:19:30 * halfhalo is sorta readin up on it now
Jan 15 02:19:55 <destinal> halfhalo: novacom has a port open, I think you just have to connect to it
Jan 15 02:20:06 <destinal> not sure how they do an xmlhttprequest across origins though
Jan 15 02:20:48 <halfhalo> IIRC there is a java applet that talks to novacom and interacts with JS.... yep, it just popped up for me
Jan 15 02:21:12 <destinal> halfhalo: ah
Jan 15 02:21:37 <halfhalo> which iteslf may not be a big deal, we would just have to have the applet signed
Jan 15 02:23:03 <Minchkin> Hey, can anyone help me with WebOS doctor on Ubuntu?
Jan 15 02:23:09 <sjsharksfan> hello to the webOS gods!! qq for folks if available..
Jan 15 02:23:09 <destinal> halfhalo: can't we just embed palm's applet? :)
Jan 15 02:23:33 <destinal> halfhalo: no copying needed if it's part of ares and we can just throw an embed tag at it
Jan 15 02:23:37 <halfhalo> no... not from the looks of it
Jan 15 02:24:04 <destinal> sjsharksfan: don't ask to ask, just ask. :P
Jan 15 02:24:09 <halfhalo> its ssl signed to ares.palm.com
Jan 15 02:24:13 <destinal> Minchkin: likewise :)
Jan 15 02:24:17 <halfhalo> looking at the html now
Jan 15 02:24:20 <linuxman410> i got preware ipk 1,5.0 is that what i need
Jan 15 02:24:46 <destinal> linuxman410: that's fine, you can always update preware from preware after it's loaded
Jan 15 02:24:46 <sjsharksfan> hahaha it's about a gsm unlocked pre2, trying to find a SIM card so I can develop my apps for webOS2.0
Jan 15 02:25:04 <Minchkin> Destinal: So we are in the same boat?
Jan 15 02:25:14 <destinal> Minchkin: ie, just ask :)
Jan 15 02:25:32 <sjsharksfan> thx :)
Jan 15 02:25:37 <Minchkin> Destinal: I'm confused! Lol
Jan 15 02:26:09 <destinal> sjsharksfan: do you actually need telephony or a palm profile?  if not, just run the devmode code in the dialer
Jan 15 02:26:24 <linuxman410> i found it with quick install but it does nothing
Jan 15 02:26:40 <sjsharksfan> I tried that, but it doesn't come up.. I must be doing something wrong.. :/
Jan 15 02:26:57 <destinal> sjsharksfan: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1552  under Enable Developer mode, webOS 2.0
Jan 15 02:27:05 <sjsharksfan> no phone needed..  just ability to connect to wifi
Jan 15 02:27:49 <Minchkin> Destinal: Can you help me run WebOS Doctor on Ubuntu 10.10?
Jan 15 02:27:49 <sjsharksfan> yep, I have been on that page too.. the keyboard doesn't seem to recognize the keystrokes
Jan 15 02:27:50 <destinal> Minchkin: what I meant was, you don't have to ask for someone to help you and then explain the problem, just explain the problem and someone will eventually read it and probably respond :)
Jan 15 02:28:10 <linuxman410> i am using webos quick install i point to the ipk package and it will not install
Jan 15 02:28:10 <Minchkin> Destinal: Oh. Ok
Jan 15 02:28:35 <destinal> linuxman410: did you find a terminal?
Jan 15 02:28:51 <destinal> linuxman410: use the terminal and palm-install, not WOSQI
Jan 15 02:28:59 <linuxman410> on the mac
Jan 15 02:29:11 <destinal> linuxman410: yes, mac comes with a built in terminal application in utilities
Jan 15 02:29:12 <Minchkin> Well, here it goes. So I would like to run WebOS Doctor on Ubuntu 10.10 because my bluetooth won't work anymore...
Jan 15 02:30:21 <linuxman410> ok i have a terminal open now what
Jan 15 02:30:31 <Minchkin> If anyone could help, that would be fantastic... Although I might have to go for about 30 min in 15...
Jan 15 02:30:41 <destinal> linuxman410:  type      palm-install ~/Downloads/*preware*ipk
Jan 15 02:30:49 <destinal> exactly as written
Jan 15 02:30:51 <sjsharksfan> thanks destinal. I have to go offline for a bit.. I will come back to the channel in a bit.. I have to read some more too ;) I thought I needed a sim card no matter what, but I guess I don't right?
Jan 15 02:31:07 <destinal> sjsharksfan: nope, no sim card needed
Jan 15 02:31:21 <destinal> sjsharksfan: good luck / see you around
Jan 15 02:31:22 <sjsharksfan> sweet..  I will ping yall back in a bit.. :)
Jan 15 02:31:31 <Loudergood> Dr destinal in the house tonight to fix your phone problems ;)
Jan 15 02:31:33 <sjsharksfan> thanks again
Jan 15 02:32:00 <destinal> Minchkin: ok, so, just about any recent version of ubuntu will work with webos doctor if you first install the Palm SDK
Jan 15 02:32:09 <destinal> Minchkin: and also install Sun Java JRE
Jan 15 02:32:26 <destinal> It cannot be one of the open source java runtimes
Jan 15 02:32:33 <Minchkin> Destinal: Can you walk me through it?
Jan 15 02:33:18 <destinal> Minchkin: first get sun java 1.6   -- http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/how-to-install-java-jre-and-java-plugin.html
Jan 15 02:34:08 <destinal> Minchkin: then install the Palm SDK here:  http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1585&Itemid=55
Jan 15 02:34:33 <destinal> actually that walks you through installing Java also
Jan 15 02:34:48 <destinal> so you can skip the first link
Jan 15 02:35:59 <Minchkin> Destinal: Oh gee... LOl
Jan 15 02:36:04 <Loudergood> the install java instructions on that site don't exactly work for 10.10
Jan 15 02:36:32 <destinal> Loudergood: palm's instructions don't?
Jan 15 02:37:02 <Loudergood> you'll notice at the top it says 10.04 and 9.04
Jan 15 02:37:09 <Loudergood> they mostly work
Jan 15 02:37:26 <destinal> ah so you need the first link then as it has you add the other repository
Jan 15 02:37:41 <Loudergood> oh ok
Jan 15 02:37:52 <Loudergood> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/10/sun-java-runtime-jre-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-partner-repository/
Jan 15 02:38:06 <Loudergood> try that one..looks like they added it to the partner repository
Jan 15 02:38:41 <destinal> Loudergood: yeah, first link had you do the same, but yours is a better description
Jan 15 02:39:09 <Loudergood> ah so it did
Jan 15 02:40:04 <destinal> Minchkin: if you have a pre2 there are other problems.  hopefully you have any device but a pre2? :)
Jan 15 02:40:08 <linuxman410> org.webosinternals.preware_1.5.0_arm.ipk this is name it gave file and cannot get it to palm install i typed what u said
Jan 15 02:40:42 <SineOt> and what it did it say back?
Jan 15 02:41:01 <linuxman410> illegal option
Jan 15 02:41:46 <destinal> linuxman410: ah, maybe you have more than one ipk downloaded
Jan 15 02:42:00 <destinal> palm-install ~/Downloads/org.webosinternals.preware_1.5.0_arm.ipk
Jan 15 02:42:03 <destinal> should work
Jan 15 02:42:09 <Minchkin> Destinal: Pixi Plus on AT&T
Jan 15 02:42:22 <Minchkin> Destinal: ooo.... lucky me.......... LOL
Jan 15 02:42:45 <destinal> Minchkin: curious, do you use the new freeTether?
Jan 15 02:43:07 <NuttyBunny> hi all
Jan 15 02:43:31 <linuxman410> it says installed already is it that fast
Jan 15 02:43:41 <destinal> linuxman410: yup, basically instant
Jan 15 02:43:48 <destinal> linuxman410: should be on your device now
Jan 15 02:43:52 <Minchkin> Destinal: No? Although, now im interested... My connections slow, so i have time... Enlighten me plz!
Jan 15 02:44:02 * NuttyBunny has been stuck in traffic for 1:30 hrs (in a 15km ride)
Jan 15 02:44:09 <destinal> Minchkin: ah, just wondering, it can tether over bluetooth is why I wondered
Jan 15 02:44:41 <Minchkin> Our laptop doesn't have bluetooth
Jan 15 02:44:51 <destinal> can also tether over USB
Jan 15 02:44:56 <linuxman410> do i leave phone in development mode
Jan 15 02:45:13 <destinal> but it's not in the stable / regular feed yet so it's really a beta thing and may not be reliable yet
Jan 15 02:45:45 <destinal> linuxman410: your choice, I never turn off dev mode, there's not a real downside to having it enabled
Jan 15 02:46:33 <destinal> linuxman410: but preware doesn't require it be enabled either
Jan 15 02:47:39 <destinal> back in a bit
Jan 15 02:47:45 <Minchkin> I was using Music Remix 2.0 and it stopped playing music over bluetooth. And it has been acting up lately. The whole phone in general... So I am going to flash it and put just preware back on. Nothing else.
Jan 15 02:48:07 <destinal-away> Minchkin: sounds like a decent plan
Jan 15 02:48:53 <Minchkin> Destinal: I don't know though. I wish I had the pre! X(
Jan 15 02:49:38 <NuttyBunny> Pres are really cheap these days :)
Jan 15 02:49:57 <Minchkin> I am going to go on eBay.
Jan 15 02:50:36 <Minchkin> See if I can find one to replace this one. The freaking rubber backing keeps falling off my Pixi
Jan 15 02:51:08 <SineOt> Ehhh good luck with that. Happens a lot
Jan 15 02:51:09 <NuttyBunny> cool, but if you can go for a Plus, it's even better :)
Jan 15 02:57:12 <Minchkin> I can only go for a plus. I have AT&T
Jan 15 02:57:18 <Minchkin> Shoot....
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