**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 16 02:59:58 2011
Jan 16 03:06:54 <TayTaBBB> anyone here?
Jan 16 03:10:22 <sega01> hey everyone
Jan 16 03:10:37 <sega01> is there a patch to make the mail client accept invalid SSL certs?
Jan 16 03:11:19 <sega01> hrm, i guessed i could have checked that on preware while mail was up
Jan 16 03:12:53 <sega01> i don't see anything in preware for it
Jan 16 03:15:40 <sega01> or i guess, self signed more rather
Jan 16 03:17:15 <sega01> ah, i'll try this: http://forums.palm.com/t5/Wireless-Email/Palm-Pre-SMTPS-SSL-Self-Signed-Certificate-w-Sendmail-amp/m-p/242347/highlight/true#M10011
Jan 16 03:25:43 <sega01> i copied the crt file with no luck. i'
Jan 16 03:26:02 <sega01> *i'm no SSL expert though, and i'm not sure how the SSL library in the pre's works
Jan 16 03:31:57 <sega01> any ideas?
Jan 16 03:34:25 <Minchkin> Rick-home: Do you have an idea on how to help this poor guy?
Jan 16 04:19:45 <rick-home> Minchkin -- sorry I was spaced out.
Jan 16 04:19:51 <rick-home> sega01  you still here?
Jan 16 05:04:56 <rick-home> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/HP-WebOS-Tablet-Now-Super-Likely-for-Feb-8-831186/
Jan 16 05:07:12 <Tibfib> dang, I'm excited for the tablet
Jan 16 05:09:06 <PuyffTheMagic> where did they get the 8th?
Jan 16 05:09:53 <rick-home> typo
Jan 16 05:11:09 * Jack87 is dreaming of WebOS TVs.... HP did make TVs for awhile prolly still do!
Jan 16 05:11:32 <rick-home> ho can license webOS onto lg tv's.
Jan 16 05:11:52 <Jack87> rick-home, why LG TVs?
Jan 16 05:11:56 * rick-home wants Phil McKinney's roll-printed touchscreen display tech as his wallpaper.
Jan 16 05:12:42 <rick-home> When Phil was at dev day in nyc, he kept making gestures in relation to the idea of large screen webos devices that were... how best to describe this...   "large"
Jan 16 05:13:22 * Jack87 used to sell these at costco http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=HP+TV&hl=en&prmd=ivns&resnum=3&biw=1440&bih=788&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=12813229303284003061&ei=LX0yTdTVE5G0sAO3p6G-BQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CGIQ8wIwAA#
Jan 16 05:13:50 <Jack87> they were a lot less money than that though
Jan 16 05:14:59 <Jack87> idea of HP TVs with webos sounds very real
Jan 16 05:15:10 <Jack87> netflix for webos will follow
Jan 16 05:15:41 <sega01> rick-home: i'm back
Jan 16 05:15:48 <rick-home> yeah...  but see, Phil was doing things like gesturing at an 8 foot folding table...
Jan 16 05:16:02 <rick-home> think of it as a three meter diagonal screen.
Jan 16 05:16:41 * Jack87 thinks it will replace chalk/white boards :)
Jan 16 05:16:52 <rick-home> exactly.
Jan 16 05:17:16 <Jack87> hehe think about changing cards as a teacher to go to a new board
Jan 16 05:17:33 <Jack87> and writing with your finger! it be fun
Jan 16 05:17:43 <rick-home> take the hp display stuff, glue it onto a 4x8 sheet of masonite, and cover it with a wear layer.
Jan 16 05:18:07 <rick-home> sega01  -- did you solve your problem?
Jan 16 05:18:51 <sega01> no, i have not
Jan 16 05:19:00 <sega01> i copied the crt SSL cert over
Jan 16 05:19:04 <rick-home> ok,  so, fill me in.  What's the issue?
Jan 16 05:19:05 <sega01> not sure if i need to reboot the phone or not after that
Jan 16 05:19:24 <sega01> the mail client in webos 1.4.5 doesn't like self signed certs
Jan 16 05:19:39 <rick-home> what happens?
Jan 16 05:19:43 <sega01> only fix i saw was to copy the pem file over, but the crt seemed like it should work
Jan 16 05:19:55 <sega01> it gives an error, like the certificate being invalid and doesn't let you continue
Jan 16 05:20:00 <rick-home> makes sense to me.
Jan 16 05:20:04 <sega01> i can try it again to give you the exact message. it's been reported a lot
Jan 16 05:20:20 <rick-home> that's ok.  Not much point unless we come up with a fix.
Jan 16 05:20:34 <rick-home> So, you're trying a fix, but haven't re-booted?
Jan 16 05:20:42 <sega01> i'll do that
Jan 16 05:20:54 <sega01> it was just copying the .crt file to /usr/share/ssl
Jan 16 05:21:07 <sega01> i'm not sure what the SSL library does with them, if it needs to symlink them somewhere or do any fancy magic
Jan 16 05:21:33 <Jack87> reboot solves all..... (usually)
Jan 16 05:21:44 <sega01> ok, rebooting
Jan 16 05:25:51 <sega01> it gives the error again
Jan 16 05:26:04 <sega01> "The server's security certificate is not a trusted certificate"
Jan 16 05:26:23 <sega01> i've looked in preware for patches
Jan 16 05:26:26 <rick-home> sega01  ok -- is this YOUR email site, or is it a work site or what?
Jan 16 05:26:37 <rick-home> and is it imap or an exchange server or what?
Jan 16 05:26:49 <sega01> POP3, mine
Jan 16 05:26:57 <sega01> i can not use SSL,  but i'd prefer not to
Jan 16 05:27:14 <rick-home> oh that's ok, I'm just trying to get my head around the problem.
Jan 16 05:27:30 <rick-home> OK,  so,  what's the expiration date of the cert on the server set to?
Jan 16 05:27:41 <sega01> i don't think it's expired, but it's self signed
Jan 16 05:27:43 <sega01> let me check
Jan 16 05:27:56 <rick-home> You get the same message either way.
Jan 16 05:29:06 <sega01> expires in 2036 :-)
Jan 16 05:29:13 <rick-home> ok
Jan 16 05:29:54 <destinal-sleep> sega01: perhaps this will work for you  http://forums.palm.com/t5/Wireless-Email/Pre-IMAP-Dovecot-Success-Finally/td-p/267615
Jan 16 05:30:35 <rick-home> ok,  now,  you copied your private key to the phone ???
Jan 16 05:30:45 <sega01> to /usr/share/ssl
Jan 16 05:30:49 <sega01> let me try that certificate manager
Jan 16 05:31:58 <sega01> i have no preferences or certificate manager under device info
Jan 16 05:32:24 <rick-home> what os version are you on?
Jan 16 05:32:32 <sega01> 1.4.5
Jan 16 05:33:22 <rick-home> and you go to device info, and preferences, and you do NOT have a certificate manager?
Jan 16 05:33:24 <rick-home> ???
Jan 16 05:33:52 <sega01> phone preferences is only for network. device info has no certificate manager that i can see
Jan 16 05:35:09 <rick-home> device manager -- menu -- ?  no preferences?
Jan 16 05:35:44 <sega01> ohh, weird
Jan 16 05:35:49 <sega01> it didn't show the preferences button
Jan 16 05:35:58 <sega01> it was hidden under phone offline (it's not with any carrier atm)
Jan 16 05:36:06 <rick-home> aaaaaaaahhhhh
Jan 16 05:36:08 <rick-home> dev phone.
Jan 16 05:36:28 <sega01> for now, i may replace my android with it
Jan 16 05:36:35 <sega01> got it at work for $50
Jan 16 05:36:46 <rick-home> android drives me freaking up the wall nuts.
Jan 16 05:36:49 <sega01> cryptk has been showing me how awesome they are. i thought i couldn't go wrong with one to play with
Jan 16 05:37:03 <sega01> mine is a bit beat up but still outshines the android by far
Jan 16 05:37:17 <rick-home> I will be SO happy when I get somehting other than android on this here tablet...
Jan 16 05:37:26 <sega01> the nook color?
Jan 16 05:37:27 <ka6sox> table?
Jan 16 05:37:31 <rick-home> yep.
Jan 16 05:37:32 <ka6sox> tablet?
Jan 16 05:37:46 <sega01> cryptk has been showing me his. you guys have made great progress with it
Jan 16 05:37:51 <rick-home> ka6sox  I want SOMEHTING OTHER THAN ANDROID on this nook color.
Jan 16 05:38:14 * ka6sox can hear rick-home *without* a computer or telephone.
Jan 16 05:38:37 <rick-home> androids going to drive me to do something irresponsible.
Jan 16 05:38:54 <sega01> where is the documents folder that certificate manager uses?
Jan 16 05:39:02 <sega01> i've mounted it and am looking for where to drop it
Jan 16 05:39:17 * Jack87 wishes his nook color could fly
Jan 16 05:39:38 <sega01> nevermind, it uses everything in that partition
Jan 16 05:39:55 <Jack87> android is not too bad on the nook color. andorid i general can use some work. however i wasnt the biggest fan on evo. i mean it was nice but i missed my pre.
Jan 16 05:40:06 <sega01> the evo is absolutely huge
Jan 16 05:40:16 <sega01> i hate only having a soft keyboard on my mytouch4g
Jan 16 05:40:32 <sega01> even in my youth, i can't seem to figure out how to type effectively with no tactile feedback
Jan 16 05:40:37 <sega01> i got the cert loaded. this thing is awesome
Jan 16 05:40:47 <rick-home> hehehehe
Jan 16 05:40:55 <sega01> now to retype my horrific SMTP password
Jan 16 05:41:31 * Jack87 loves palm keyboards but does miss graffiti 
Jan 16 05:41:54 <Jack87> my i500 oh that was an awesome phone lol palm os 4
Jan 16 05:42:18 <Jack87> flip phone with a regular keyboard and stylus + graffiti
Jan 16 05:42:25 <rick-home> we need graffiti for webOS.
Jan 16 05:42:33 <rick-home> I installed graffiti on the Nook.
Jan 16 05:42:34 <Jack87> ya....
Jan 16 05:42:44 <Jack87> meta touch and graffiti gestures on entire screen
Jan 16 05:42:54 <Jack87> rick-home, i couldnt get it to work right on the nook
Jan 16 05:43:03 <rick-home> I haven't tried yet.
Jan 16 05:43:13 <rick-home> I suspect it's a resolution related problem just like swype
Jan 16 05:43:14 <Jack87> anyway i need shower.. people are asking me to go socialize.
Jan 16 05:45:17 <sega01> is there a simple way to get it to make password fields visible?
Jan 16 05:45:32 <rick-home> app dependent
Jan 16 05:45:38 <sega01> ah :-/
Jan 16 05:47:55 <sega01> i got in :-)
Jan 16 05:48:11 <sega01> now to see if i can reply inline, bottom posting in text only
Jan 16 05:48:25 <rick-home> seee....  One of the coolest parts about a truely OPEN phone is, even if you hadn't, we could figure out why.
Jan 16 05:49:01 <sega01> definitely
Jan 16 05:49:11 <sega01> i've got openssh running on the phone. coolest thing ever to login as root with it
Jan 16 05:50:13 <ka6sox> hiya sega01
Jan 16 05:50:54 <sega01> hey ka6sox
Jan 16 05:51:22 <rick-home> sega01  you have terminal running on the phone so you can log into the phone FROM ITSELF?
Jan 16 05:52:15 <sega01> laptop -> openssh on phone :-)
Jan 16 05:52:20 <sega01> or terminal on the phone as root
Jan 16 05:52:38 <sega01> but it stays horizontally fixed if i turn the phone side ways and don't move it back :-(
Jan 16 05:55:50 <sega01> hrm, looks like the email  client sends in HTML
Jan 16 05:56:01 <sega01> i don't see any patches for text email and bottom posting
Jan 16 05:56:12 <sega01> maybe i should write one? :-)
Jan 16 05:58:22 <Minchkin> rick-home: Sega is back....:p
Jan 16 05:58:49 <Minchkin> Oh... LOL! I was scrolled back by like, and hour.
Jan 16 05:59:04 <ka6sox> sega01, do you work with cryptk?
Jan 16 05:59:21 <sega01> he sits about 10 feet away from me :-)
Jan 16 05:59:26 <sega01> he's on another shift, though
Jan 16 05:59:30 <sega01> but there's some overlap
Jan 16 05:59:34 <ka6sox> ah
Jan 16 06:04:34 <sega01> any good ways to reduce memory usage on these phones? mine is at 224MB with just govnah open. it has 256MB total
Jan 16 06:05:35 <ka6sox> sega01, I use compcache to help manage it.
Jan 16 06:06:57 <sega01> i have that on it. 16MB. wasn't sure if there was any simple way to lower the base memory use in the first place, though
Jan 16 06:09:15 <ka6sox> sega01, its like 160MB just for Luna.
Jan 16 06:09:34 <rick-home> Luna is sorta huge.
Jan 16 06:10:39 <torchie> wow is it really that big?
Jan 16 06:11:11 <destinal> well it does a lot...
Jan 16 06:11:48 <ka6sox> torchie, yup
Jan 16 06:12:01 <destinal> I think firefox frequently gets much larger than that on modern desktops
Jan 16 06:15:53 <torchie> well firefox gets much larger than everything
Jan 16 06:16:09 <torchie> bet safari dwarfs firefox in mem usage
Jan 16 06:16:19 <Jack87> go chrome
Jan 16 06:16:45 <sega01> ouch
Jan 16 06:16:54 <sega01> is luna java based? or partially?
Jan 16 06:17:04 <torchie> as much as I like chrome I wish it was a better citizen on osx
Jan 16 06:17:05 <sega01> i was actually kind of surprised to read that the phone uses a fair bit of java
Jan 16 06:17:14 <sega01> would be neat to rewrite the backend
Jan 16 06:17:22 <torchie> rewrite the backend in assembly
Jan 16 06:17:42 <sega01> heh, C for sanity reasons. assembly is fun, though
Jan 16 06:17:49 <sega01> i'd love to make a couple apps for it in just assembly
Jan 16 06:18:15 <destinal> sega01: Luna is written in c++
Jan 16 06:18:47 <destinal> sega01: many back end services are written in Java in 1.x.x  but Java is eliminated as part of the platform in webOS 2.x
Jan 16 06:18:57 <sega01> really? nice
Jan 16 06:19:07 <sega01> is the memory usage lower?
Jan 16 06:19:15 <destinal> in favor of c based services but notably in favor of node.js
Jan 16 06:19:24 <destinal> sadly, node.js isn't precisely memory efficient
Jan 16 06:19:50 <halfhalo> ehhh... sorta
Jan 16 06:20:05 <destinal> I mean it could be, and later versions are better at this
Jan 16 06:20:12 <destinal> but node.js is still rapidly evolving
Jan 16 06:20:18 <halfhalo> IIRC the main memory hog is v8, and thats already on the system
Jan 16 06:20:31 <sega01> i see
Jan 16 06:20:39 <sega01> that makes sense
Jan 16 06:21:00 <destinal> sega01: a lot of the back end services in 1.x.x were C, also
Jan 16 06:21:08 <torchie> hopefully next phone gets 16GB of ram
Jan 16 06:21:14 <torchie> and a 72 inch screen
Jan 16 06:21:31 <destinal> torchie: nice, can I take a picture of you lugging it around?
Jan 16 06:21:40 <sega01> sounds like they will offer a upgrade path for pre 1's to webos 2.0?
Jan 16 06:21:42 <torchie> even better, a picture of me holding it up to my ear ;)
Jan 16 06:21:50 <torchie> hope so, I really want it on my pre minus
Jan 16 06:21:50 <sega01> torchie: it's called an evo ;-)
Jan 16 06:21:55 <torchie> dell streak!
Jan 16 06:22:23 <destinal> sega01: webos 2.0 will be released for the other devices besides pre2 in "the coming months" which is probably a few months or less I'd guess
Jan 16 06:22:39 <sega01> i see, that's exactly what i read
Jan 16 06:22:56 <sega01> it'll be really great if they come out with a HSPA+ compatible com board
Jan 16 06:23:07 <sega01> i'd love t-mobile's full speeds on the pre
Jan 16 06:23:09 <torchie> the coming months >:(
Jan 16 06:23:30 <torchie> before feb 9 would be awesome
Jan 16 06:24:04 <destinal> sega01: we've tried to get 2.0.0 and 2.0.1 running on the pre by using binaries from both platforms together but run into issues with the SGX powervr libraries and kernel modules (finding good versions of both that work together on castle and also support luna 2.x)
Jan 16 06:24:05 <rick-home> making the 2.x doctors public at the dev reception on feb 9 is a possibility.
Jan 16 06:24:33 <sega01> hmm, i see
Jan 16 06:28:59 <ShadeS> I'm about to install windows 7 and then check out the sdk
Jan 16 06:29:05 <ShadeS> time to move away from xp...
Jan 16 06:40:46 <Minchkin> That would be cool.
Jan 16 06:41:31 <sega01> 'night everyone
Jan 16 06:41:41 <sega01> thanks for the help, rick-home :-)
Jan 16 06:42:55 <ka6sox> nite sega01
Jan 16 09:30:17 <bikemon> Hi
Jan 16 09:30:47 <bikemon> maybe here anyone can help me with connecting pre 2 to ubuntu
Jan 16 09:31:16 <Jack87> bikemon, connecting how
Jan 16 09:31:17 <ka6sox> 'lo
Jan 16 09:31:28 <bikemon> via cable
Jan 16 09:31:35 <bikemon> my pre is in dev mode
Jan 16 09:31:54 <bikemon> I installed all apps - sdk and so on
Jan 16 09:31:54 <Jack87> install novacom driver.. go to developer.palm.com it explains
Jan 16 09:33:47 <bikemon> installed
Jan 16 09:33:55 <bikemon> do i have to reboot pc?
Jan 16 09:34:04 <bikemon> after installation ofc
Jan 16 09:34:59 <ka6sox> bikemon, it should have installed the novacomd driver
Jan 16 09:35:08 <bikemon> the problem is that when i connect device in charging mode, type novaterm in terminal I get a message: unable to find device
Jan 16 09:35:17 <ka6sox> see if that is running with a ps axwwww | grep novacomd
Jan 16 09:35:51 <bikemon>  4761 ?        Ssl    0:01 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd
Jan 16 09:35:51 <bikemon>  5039 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep novacomd
Jan 16 09:36:39 <ka6sox> okay, thats good.
Jan 16 09:37:21 <bikemon> so where can be a problem? I can't see this device
Jan 16 09:38:38 <Jack87> bikemon, try a different usb port maybe one you have is not powered?
Jan 16 09:39:42 <bikemon> nope, didn't help
Jan 16 09:39:59 <Jack87> bikemon, for sure you are in dev mode on the device?
Jan 16 09:40:44 <bikemon> yes, it is in dev mode
Jan 16 09:42:58 <Jack87> ka6sox, will fix you right up than
Jan 16 09:44:00 <Jack87> bikemon, kind of odd i dont think ubuntu has ever given me trouble with novacom
Jan 16 09:44:21 <Jack87> ... /novaterm
Jan 16 09:45:07 <bikemon> Jack87 - with Pre 2?
Jan 16 09:45:12 <Jack87> bikemon, than again my device isnt pre 2
Jan 16 09:45:15 <Jack87> haha... ya
Jan 16 09:45:16 <Jack87> :)
Jan 16 09:45:20 <Jack87> ya as in no
Jan 16 09:45:39 <ka6sox> bikemon, I haven't been able to do that...the pre2 takes a different novacom driver.
Jan 16 09:45:54 <ka6sox> and I've not seen one out in the wild :(
Jan 16 09:46:58 <Jack87> bikemon, best bet might be to wait till feb 9?
Jan 16 09:48:56 <bikemon> maybe
Jan 16 09:49:09 <ka6sox> we sure are pinning our "hopes" on Feb9
Jan 16 09:49:20 <bikemon> yes, i know
Jan 16 09:49:23 <bikemon> me too
Jan 16 09:50:06 <bikemon> can you tell me how to make screenshots? what app to use? search in app catalog didn't give right answer...
Jan 16 09:50:32 <Jack87> bikemon, screenshots on your phone?
Jan 16 09:50:47 <Jack87> press (i think white button) and sym and p
Jan 16 09:51:01 <Jack87> white button + sym + p
Jan 16 09:52:25 <bikemon> oh yeah, some shutter I've heard
Jan 16 09:54:03 <bikemon> thanks a lot it works
Jan 16 09:55:02 <Jack87> :)
Jan 16 09:55:07 <Jack87> new to webos bikemon?
Jan 16 09:55:31 <bikemon> yop
Jan 16 09:55:41 <bikemon> a week ago I bought pre2
Jan 16 09:57:56 <Jack87> hang in there... you will love it
Jan 16 09:58:11 <Jack87> go register at developer.palm.com
Jan 16 09:58:11 <bikemon> change to bikekowal
Jan 16 09:58:27 <bikekowal> yes, definitely, this OS is nice
Jan 16 09:58:52 <bikekowal> i want to write a review of pre2
Jan 16 09:59:16 <bikekowal> but I need to get to know this OS
Jan 16 09:59:31 <bikekowal> it's completely different than others
Jan 16 10:00:44 <Jack87> indeed it is
Jan 16 10:00:50 <Jack87> are you in the states?
Jan 16 10:00:56 <bikekowal> no
Jan 16 10:01:00 <bikekowal> Poland
Jan 16 10:01:18 <bikekowal> a bit far from states :)
Jan 16 10:03:17 <Jack87> im guess webos is not super popular there. what made you want one?
Jan 16 10:03:37 <bikekowal> probably i'm the first one
Jan 16 10:04:03 <bikekowal> I run a website and i write reviews in free tim
Jan 16 10:04:16 <Jack87> its a really neat OS.... i am spoiled now.. its hard to function on other platforms
Jan 16 10:04:20 <bikekowal> webos is the only mobile OS i didnt review :)
Jan 16 10:05:55 <Jack87> bikekowal, do you get app catalog in Poland?
Jan 16 10:06:01 <bikekowal> yes
Jan 16 10:06:20 <bikekowal> but im not sure if there are all apps
Jan 16 10:06:44 <Jack87> prolly not all but im sure most.
Jan 16 10:07:09 <Jack87> im not sure if you can install preware without novaterm :-?
Jan 16 10:07:25 <Jack87> bikekowal, you might be able to extract driver from the public webos doctor
Jan 16 10:07:41 <bikekowal> maybe
Jan 16 10:07:41 <Jack87> ka6sox, is this true or am I lying to the man
Jan 16 10:08:09 <ka6sox> for some reason I don't think that works...at least I never found it.
Jan 16 10:08:45 <Jack87> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Jan 16 10:11:28 <Jack87> bikekowal, download the latest doctor. and thinker around there see if you can find novacom drivers
Jan 16 10:12:42 <bikekowal> ok, downloading
Jan 16 10:12:57 <bikekowal> tell me, what about updates? i have 2.0.0.
Jan 16 10:13:10 <bikekowal> how to update to 2.0.1? is it possible?
Jan 16 10:13:55 <ka6sox> download the doctor, and run it.
Jan 16 10:14:13 <ka6sox> but install save/restore first and save everything.
Jan 16 10:14:26 <ka6sox> then you can restore it when you get to the new version.
Jan 16 10:15:57 <bikekowal> save/restore from app catalog?
Jan 16 10:16:03 <ka6sox> yup
Jan 16 10:16:11 <bikekowal> I cant see anything like this
Jan 16 10:16:29 <ka6sox> did you create a palm profile?
Jan 16 10:17:01 <bikekowal> yes
Jan 16 10:17:40 <bikekowal> during first boot
Jan 16 10:18:55 <ka6sox> okay are you connected to a wifi then?
Jan 16 10:19:05 <bikekowal> yes
Jan 16 10:19:57 <ka6sox> oh, you can't install preware....duh
Jan 16 10:20:06 <ka6sox> unless you used woqi
Jan 16 10:20:21 <bikekowal> whats woqi?
Jan 16 10:20:46 <Jack87> ka6sox, that might work but not sure...
Jan 16 10:20:53 <Jack87> considering there is no driver
Jan 16 10:20:56 <ka6sox> webos quick install, and I don't know if it works on 2.x devices
Jan 16 10:21:01 <dtzWill> Jack87: 'ello! :)
Jan 16 10:21:02 <Jack87> but the driver from this new doctor.. does it work with webos quick install
Jan 16 10:21:12 <Jack87> dtzWill, there you are! hello
Jan 16 10:21:16 <dtzWill> don't mean to interrupt, but saw you pinged me earlier so thought i'd drop in for a sec :)
Jan 16 10:21:24 <dtzWill> Jack87: here i am! :)
Jan 16 10:21:32 <Jack87> dtzWill, ya i did ping you... i wanted to say....
Jan 16 10:21:37 <Jack87> HELLO! :-)
Jan 16 10:21:54 <dtzWill> Jack87: =O
Jan 16 10:21:56 <dtzWill> Jack87: hi! :D
Jan 16 10:22:18 <bikekowal> so what to do?
Jan 16 10:22:33 <Jack87> bikekowal, do you have stuff you need to back up?
Jan 16 10:22:45 <Jack87> contacts and apps from catalog are saved in your profile
Jan 16 10:22:54 <bikekowal> yes
Jan 16 10:23:03 <Jack87> bikekowal, what do you have to backup?
Jan 16 10:23:15 <bikekowal> apps
Jan 16 10:23:23 <Jack87> catalog apps?
Jan 16 10:23:27 <bikekowal> yes
Jan 16 10:23:37 <Jack87> dont worry about it they will automatically restore
Jan 16 10:23:39 <bikekowal> but i can install them once againg
Jan 16 10:24:04 <bikekowal> what about backup util I have in my pre?
Jan 16 10:24:08 <Jack87> go run the palm back up
Jan 16 10:24:27 <bikekowal> complete
Jan 16 10:24:46 <Jack87> ok cool.. just run the webos doctor when its done and this will update to newest webos for you
Jan 16 10:25:05 <Jack87> and than you can tinker with trying to find the driver within the jar file after
Jan 16 10:25:16 <bikekowal> I need to connect it in charging mode?
Jan 16 10:25:33 <Jack87> ya
Jan 16 10:25:35 <bikekowal> ok
Jan 16 10:26:15 <bikekowal> I'll try it after 2 hours, i need to go shopping, fridge is empty
Jan 16 10:26:33 <Jack87> dtzWill, i been tinkering with nook color!.. its fun stuff.. great for school to.
Jan 16 10:26:52 <Jack87> ok cool. i prolly wont be around but others will
Jan 16 10:27:00 <dtzWill> Jack87: so i am hearing re:it's hackery-potential...
Jan 16 10:27:08 <dtzWill> Jack87: but glad it's helping with school, too.
Jan 16 10:27:28 <Jack87> webos doctor will reset phone to factory settings but everything should restore for you after you login to your palm profile
Jan 16 10:27:45 <dtzWill> almost got a kindle again (keep going back to the idea of it) but didn't since i really just wanted something i can use well with misc academic papers pdf-ified
Jan 16 10:27:49 <Jack87> dtzWill, indeed you would get a kick out of it! if you ever get one let me know
Jan 16 10:28:12 <Jack87> dtzWill, nook color be a far better choice :)
Jan 16 10:28:54 <dtzWill> yeah, i got some ties at amazon that give me an unreasonable bias towards the kindle, but it really just didn't seem suitable for my use case :(
Jan 16 10:29:25 <dtzWill> and books are nice and all, but as much as i fantasize about how i'll get an e-book reader and suddenly start reading agin
Jan 16 10:29:33 <dtzWill> have a feeling it won't be that easy, heh :/ :)
Jan 16 10:29:50 <dtzWill> *reading novels, etc
Jan 16 10:30:04 <Jack87> dtzWill, ya... its got me a bit more into reading
Jan 16 10:30:23 <Jack87> i dont think i could stand the e-ink. so much money on a device that just does one thing
Jan 16 12:35:03 <bikekowal> downloaded webOS Doctor, connected device but I have "INFO: got devices 0"
Jan 16 12:35:17 <bikekowal> what's going on?
Jan 16 12:41:45 <Loudergood> phone in recovery mode?
Jan 16 12:41:59 <bikekowal> khem...
Jan 16 12:42:04 <bikekowal> rather no
Jan 16 12:42:25 <Loudergood> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Jan 16 13:29:56 <RMind> suggestions for apps that don't launch?  already reinstalled the app  :(
Jan 16 18:21:45 <ice8lue> heyho!
Jan 16 18:22:07 <fudge_> hi
Jan 16 19:04:02 <ice8lue> destinal: are you still working on the franken doc?
Jan 16 22:54:43 <ka6sox> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/exhibitors/webos-internals
Jan 16 22:56:47 <halfhalo> nice
Jan 16 22:58:17 <ka6sox> how do you put that into a bit.ly thing...
Jan 16 22:58:43 <Jack87> ka6sox, that is awesomeness
Jan 16 22:58:51 <Loudergood> you start by going to http://bit.ly
Jan 16 22:59:23 <ka6sox> but they want me to give them too darned much info to *just* shorten a link...I'll use tinyurl instead :P
Jan 16 22:59:30 <bpadalino> goo.gl works too
Jan 16 22:59:56 <bpadalino> if you don't trust those libians
Jan 16 23:00:56 <Jack87> http://goo.gl/WDZen
Jan 16 23:00:57 <Loudergood> you can't just paste the link in and hit shorten?
Jan 16 23:01:04 <Loudergood> http://bit.ly/hth9tM
Jan 16 23:01:24 <bpadalino> they're so short!
Jan 16 23:01:54 * Loudergood needs a domain name shorter than 5 letters...
Jan 16 23:02:09 <Loudergood> ho.ly
Jan 16 23:11:24 <semprance> is.gd i think
Jan 16 23:12:12 <Loudergood> I've got it. w.at
Jan 16 23:13:21 <ka6sox> okay sent...lets hope the twitter gods are happy :P
Jan 16 23:13:58 <ka6sox> twitter: responsible for murdering language worse than SMS.
Jan 16 23:14:14 <ka6sox> s/worse/more
Jan 16 23:14:18 <halfhalo> hehe
Jan 16 23:14:21 <ka6sox> s/worse/more/
Jan 16 23:14:23 <infobot> ka6sox meant: s/more/more
Jan 16 23:14:27 <ka6sox> sigh
Jan 16 23:14:30 <Loudergood> lol, m nt sur tats pssbl
Jan 16 23:14:48 <Loudergood> it appears we've been out shortened already http://singlefunction.com/the-shortest-url-shorteners/
Jan 16 23:15:21 <ka6sox> doesn't really matter...its gone now...it'll either fly or fry.
Jan 16 23:15:38 <Loudergood> this one is kind of cool, but yes
Jan 16 23:15:47 <Loudergood> http://tinyarro.ws/
Jan 16 23:15:55 <Loudergood> apparently they use unicode symbols
Jan 16 23:22:30 <bpadalino> http://➡.ws/ just seems weird to try to put into the address bar
Jan 16 23:26:07 * ka6sox likes rwhtiby's tweet better than his own.
Jan 17 00:11:37 * halfhalo yawns
Jan 17 00:11:52 <halfhalo> awww, it doesn't like me
Jan 17 00:56:51 <halfhalo> *crickets*
Jan 17 01:01:31 <oil> its broken
Jan 17 01:26:29 <halfhalo> no, it just doesnt like me
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