**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 18 02:59:57 2011
Jan 18 05:09:42 * rick-home posted a rant on that thread.
Jan 18 05:10:39 <halfhalo> wooo ssds!
Jan 18 05:10:54 <halfhalo> makes for fast file transfers
Jan 18 05:21:20 <ajay> re
Jan 18 05:22:55 <ajay> Any webOSI gurus got tips on how to fix corruption of my Pre's filesystem(s)?
Jan 18 05:31:25 <rwhitby> fsck ?
Jan 18 05:31:36 <scoutcamper> webos doctor?
Jan 18 05:32:03 <rick-home> either or both of those.
Jan 18 05:32:48 <ajay> I am running a fsck from linux, it says Orphaned long file name part "ringtones" (and saverestore) with option to leave or delete. I want to save
Jan 18 05:34:16 <ajay> Can I fsck on-device? (Dunno if that would provide different results or not)
Jan 18 05:34:36 <rwhitby> sure, fsck on device would be best in fact
Jan 18 05:34:49 <rwhitby> even better from a recovery memboot
Jan 18 05:34:54 <ajay> ooo
Jan 18 05:35:02 <ajay> that sounds like a good plan
Jan 18 05:35:13 <ajay> that's the one where I take out the battery and hold vol up?
Jan 18 05:35:31 <rwhitby> and then memboot the installer image
Jan 18 05:35:33 <ajay> everything is fine, i just want to save those 2 dirs
Jan 18 05:35:50 <rwhitby> meta-doctor "make DEVICE=foo memboot-<carrier> mount" will do the trick
Jan 18 05:37:07 <ajay> installer image? that sounds scary.. will it just be a non-graphical boot?
Jan 18 05:37:56 <rwhitby> installer kernel and initramfs
Jan 18 05:38:21 <rwhitby> the flash partitions are not touched - it's a memboot
Jan 18 05:41:18 <ajay> sounds sweet. not familiar with this terminology, regardless.. you guys are on point and mad webOS knowledgeable!
Jan 18 05:50:08 <oc80z> hi wahts good
Jan 18 05:50:28 <oc80z> be messin with bitbake
Jan 18 05:51:11 <oc80z> anyone have an enviroment set up ?
Jan 18 05:51:22 <oc80z> trying to bake an ipkg
Jan 18 05:51:27 <rwhitby> oc80z: not for webSO
Jan 18 05:51:33 <oc80z> for openwrt-sdk?
Jan 18 05:51:44 <ka6sox> we don't bitbreak
Jan 18 05:51:50 <oc80z> hrmph
Jan 18 05:51:55 <halfhalo> breakdance, MAYBE
Jan 18 05:52:11 <ka6sox> oc80z, the base OS does...but apps don't
Jan 18 05:52:14 <rwhitby> oc80z: used bitbake/OE on prev projects.  never got it set up for webOS
Jan 18 05:52:23 <oc80z> hmmph
Jan 18 05:52:36 <oc80z> yeah i saw+
Jan 18 05:52:47 <oc80z> ok!
Jan 18 05:56:37 <ka6sox> oc80z, they use an OLD version of OE
Jan 18 06:00:31 <oc80z> Hmmph
Jan 18 06:06:52 <rwhitby> oil: ping
Jan 18 06:07:12 <oil> hey
Jan 18 06:07:29 <rwhitby> so I'm going to rearchitect save/restore to use node.js, since running 200 scripts to load the info is too slow at startup
Jan 18 06:07:56 <oil> node services can be unjailed?
Jan 18 06:08:00 <ajay> nice!
Jan 18 06:08:21 <rwhitby> I'm figuring the build can merge a whole heap of individual .js files into a single big minified file, which will be instantaneous to load the initial data from.
Jan 18 06:08:32 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, worked out how.
Jan 18 06:08:36 <oil> nice
Jan 18 06:08:53 <halfhalo> rwhitby: no need to heap them together
Jan 18 06:09:14 <rwhitby> halfhalo: why not?
Jan 18 06:09:17 <halfhalo> if you do it right, there wont be a perf impact
Jan 18 06:09:22 <halfhalo> and easier to navigate
Jan 18 06:10:06 <rwhitby> halfhalo: they'll be separate files in the repo, just merge on-device
Jan 18 06:10:35 <oil> i mean, its still a bunch of what, checking files?
Jan 18 06:10:37 <rwhitby> but if you know a way to read and parse 500 json files as quickly as one, I'm all ears.
Jan 18 06:11:53 <rwhitby> oil: so I'm looking for a js object/class type schema for each file, so that they can be munged together into a single file without colliding
Jan 18 06:12:02 <halfhalo> if its json and not js runtime files, then merge em
Jan 18 06:12:33 <rwhitby> well, it could be either - haven't decided yet
Jan 18 06:12:59 <rwhitby> basically, here's the deal:
Jan 18 06:13:10 <oil> so each is its own object
Jan 18 06:13:13 <rwhitby> 1) folks submit easy-to-write backup scripts
Jan 18 06:13:17 <oil> {foo: bar}
Jan 18 06:13:28 <rwhitby> 2) each script has info, save and restore methods
Jan 18 06:13:51 <oil> and when build joines it, var scripts = [{foo: bar},{foo: bar}]
Jan 18 06:13:52 <oc80z> so.. scratchbox
Jan 18 06:14:00 <rwhitby> 3) the info method needs to look in the filesystem to see the current list of backup files for that appid
Jan 18 06:14:29 <halfhalo> I would go the class way personally
Jan 18 06:15:10 <halfhalo> each app would be instatiated as a class with info, save, and restore methods, and then only created when needed
Jan 18 06:15:11 <oil> like, {appid: "org.webosinternals.preware", save: function(){}, restore function(){}}
Jan 18 06:15:13 <rwhitby> 4) the list service method calls the info methods for all the appid's
Jan 18 06:16:15 <rwhitby> 5) each of the info, save and restore method will need to call upon methods from common classes, so that each individual script is only a couple of lines, and all the work is done in the common classes
Jan 18 06:17:14 <rwhitby> the 'list' service method (which calls the info method for each appid, which looks in the filesystem for a list of timestamped files for that appid) needs to be pretty much instantaneous, up to 1000 apps.
Jan 18 06:17:30 <halfhalo> oil: except you can't pass functions in json
Jan 18 06:17:34 <rwhitby> the save and restore methods can be slow
Jan 18 06:17:49 <oil> halfhalo: he is merging them when its packaged in build.git
Jan 18 06:17:55 <oil> he can put that into a .js file and include it
Jan 18 06:18:24 <oil> i don't see how it can check up to 1000 files instantaneously
Jan 18 06:18:42 <oil> lol
Jan 18 06:18:45 <halfhalo> well, could always run a test with the different methods
Jan 18 06:18:48 <rwhitby> cat header.js scripts/*.js footer.js > merged.js
Jan 18 06:18:48 <oil> can anything do that?
Jan 18 06:19:02 <oil> lol
Jan 18 06:19:20 * halfhalo keeps thinking from a purely node point of view
Jan 18 06:19:34 <ajay> oc80z: I wonder if you could just take a nokia scratchbox env and build with it instead..
Jan 18 06:19:35 <rwhitby> oc80z: we use sb2 for widk
Jan 18 06:19:36 * oil has never used node
Jan 18 06:19:51 * ajay hahas
Jan 18 06:20:17 <ajay> that was like, scripted
Jan 18 06:20:34 <rwhitby> oil: it should be able to get a recursive directory listing of up to 1000 filenames, and use js to weave that info into the returned data, pretty much instantaneously
Jan 18 06:21:21 <halfhalo> would it be checking to see if the files are there or just returning them?
Jan 18 06:21:35 <rwhitby> ls -1R
Jan 18 06:22:11 <rwhitby> less than 5 filenames in each of 200 directories
Jan 18 06:22:50 <rwhitby> don't need to open or stat the files, only talking dirents here
Jan 18 06:23:11 <halfhalo> i think nodes fs.readDir would work, and is node native
Jan 18 06:23:50 <ajay> is ls faster/more effic than find? (I guess if you're already happy with the results tho doesn't matter.. tho find could have other ads, like -exec)
Jan 18 06:24:17 <rwhitby> ajay: I'll be using fs.readdir in node.js
Jan 18 06:24:26 <rwhitby> preferably not going to the shell for anything
Jan 18 06:25:23 <ajay> so saverestore isn't, and doesn't plan to be, a hybrid app? impressive
Jan 18 06:25:27 <rwhitby> so it will be one readdir to get the list of app directories in /media/internal/saverestore, and then a further readdir for each of those to get the filenames
Jan 18 06:26:03 <rwhitby> ajay: sure it's a hybrid - the service is node.js
Jan 18 06:26:29 <rwhitby> the service is currently C, calling out to the shell for just about everything.  that's why it's so slow.
Jan 18 06:26:54 <rwhitby> 201 fs.readdir's should be pretty fast.
Jan 18 06:27:01 <ajay> huh
Jan 18 06:27:14 <halfhalo> rwhitby: don't forget we can do more than one at a time
Jan 18 06:27:38 <oil> but is reading different areas of flash at hte same time going to increase anything?
Jan 18 06:28:13 <halfhalo> won't impact much now, but would scale much better if needed
Jan 18 06:28:15 <rwhitby> oil: I doubt it. theres no spindle, so it should be indentical
Jan 18 06:28:23 <rwhitby> identical even
Jan 18 06:29:04 <halfhalo> and plus, would help keep the whole chain in node async
Jan 18 06:29:17 <rwhitby> halfhalo: how would 100 sequential mtd reads differ from 100 parallel reads?  it's the same number of accesses to the flash, and it's all CPU cycles.
Jan 18 06:29:19 <oc80z> ok
Jan 18 06:29:49 <oc80z> but its for an ar71xx target
Jan 18 06:30:22 <ka6sox> rwhitby, for a flash it *doesn't* matter as there is no seek or rotational latency
Jan 18 06:30:32 <rwhitby> ka6sox: exactly.
Jan 18 06:31:33 <halfhalo> for 100, it would make _no_difference, but for node it is usually best practice to go async.
Jan 18 06:31:51 <ka6sox> node on a HD...probably
Jan 18 06:31:55 <oil> but is node a single thread?
Jan 18 06:31:58 <ka6sox> node on a flash? no difference
Jan 18 06:32:07 <halfhalo> yeah, node is single threaded
Jan 18 06:32:25 * halfhalo hit the thread memlimit only once... stupid v8
Jan 18 06:32:39 <oil> so queuing up a hundred async requests is no different from doing them one at a time
Jan 18 06:32:42 <rwhitby> halfhalo: right, so on a flash read, there is never a yield, so your 200 parallels happen sequentially anyway
Jan 18 06:33:50 <rwhitby> halfhalo: on that note, if I were to use your method, and spawn off 200 readdir's, how do I know when they are all finished so that I can send a single message back to the caller with the combined results?
Jan 18 06:34:53 <rwhitby> seems to me that the bookkeeping of knowing when all 200 are finished might even make it slower ...
Jan 18 06:35:04 <halfhalo> I use a counter that only fires off the callback on the last fs.readdir
Jan 18 06:35:29 <oc80z> blah
Jan 18 06:35:42 <halfhalo> with sync, node has to check, wait, check, wait, then fire off a new fs.readdir
Jan 18 06:35:52 <halfhalo> and in any case, we are quibbling over nanoseconds here
Jan 18 06:35:52 <rwhitby> check what?
Jan 18 06:36:00 <halfhalo> check if the previous read is done
Jan 18 06:36:08 <rwhitby> there is no yield on a flash read
Jan 18 06:36:25 <rwhitby> the read is done before node's async system call returns
Jan 18 06:37:01 <rwhitby> so doing it async and incrementing and checking a counter will be slower :)
Jan 18 06:37:49 <rwhitby> halfhalo: what would your scheme do if one of the replies gets lost and the counter never terminates?
Jan 18 06:38:06 <rwhitby> I guess that's the same in both
Jan 18 06:38:20 <halfhalo> wouldn't happen in either case
Jan 18 06:38:26 <oil> yeah
Jan 18 06:38:29 <oil> thats why async sucks
Jan 18 06:38:50 <halfhalo> no, async sucks due to callback hell, but only in larger programs
Jan 18 06:38:50 <oil> haha
Jan 18 06:38:55 <rwhitby> async rules when there is actual I/O with yields happening
Jan 18 06:40:41 <rwhitby> so, back to the original question
Jan 18 06:41:10 <rwhitby> do I make each app a class, or do I just do each js fragment as an object with an inline function for each method
Jan 18 06:41:38 <halfhalo> object==class in this case
Jan 18 06:41:41 <rwhitby> oh, is there a way to do a conditional load in node.js?
Jan 18 06:42:10 <halfhalo> as in, only load in the stuff related to installed programs?
Jan 18 06:42:14 <rwhitby> so I can have a preloaded set of classes, and then someone can cp over a new .js file with an appid.js name and it will load that if it is references
Jan 18 06:42:32 <rwhitby> so people can easily test the scripts for new apps
Jan 18 06:42:56 <halfhalo> wouldn't be that hard to write
Jan 18 06:42:57 <oil> rwhitby: probably
Jan 18 06:43:42 <halfhalo> just have an object that contains all the loaded in appid.js contents, and it something is asked for thats not there, do a fs.readFile and load it in
Jan 18 06:44:38 <halfhalo> would use less ram in any case
Jan 18 06:45:30 <halfhalo> did something similar for a node config loader and psuedo json files
Jan 18 06:51:06 <halfhalo> the tradeoff would be it would be slower to load for people who have a larger set of scripts to load.  How much slower, no idea, but I'm thinking nanoseconds
Jan 18 06:52:11 <rwhitby> 99.99% of users will load the single merged .js file from the package build.
Jan 18 06:52:48 <rwhitby> 1 or 2 people at any time might test a new script
Jan 18 06:54:28 <rwhitby> now to work out how to have a single package with both a C service and a node.js service, and have the postinstall script switch between them at install time.
Jan 18 06:54:50 <oil> lol
Jan 18 06:54:58 <halfhalo> just check to see if node is on the device
Jan 18 06:55:17 <rwhitby> the check is not the hard part
Jan 18 06:58:21 * halfhalo dunnos about such things
Jan 18 07:25:26 <ajay> rwhitby: 'make DEVICE=foo memboot-verizonwireless mount' is looking for downloads/webosdoctorverizonwireless-.jar .. hmm, doesn't seem quite right?
Jan 18 07:32:44 <rwhitby> ajay: what did you use for "foo" ?
Jan 18 07:35:00 * rwhitby bbl
Jan 18 07:36:20 <ajay> oh got it
Jan 18 07:36:40 <ajay> but ya know, without a power button, it's pretty impossible to powerdown the device.. ;^)
Jan 18 07:37:02 <ajay> (with the cable plugged in, i mean)
Jan 18 07:37:18 <ajay> and poweron too.. damn, that was sloppily written
Jan 18 07:39:51 <ajay> I ran it, got the phone to put a USB symbol on the screen, but.. now just sittin..
Jan 18 07:41:29 <ajay> oh i can novaterm in.. but can't seem to run cmds
Jan 18 07:41:45 <ajay> oh
Jan 18 07:44:05 <ajay> what was the cmd to boot that installer img?
Jan 18 07:56:28 <ajay> oh is it just the novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage got it.. what I'm really not sure about is how to fsck /media/internal
Jan 18 07:56:37 <ajay> I don't know much about the whole LVM scene
Jan 18 08:03:06 <ajay> ok think I got it.. ;^) but it didn't offer to restore my dirs, gah fsck
Jan 18 08:05:19 <ajay> fat needs a lost+found
Jan 18 08:07:33 <ajay> hm, maybe dos wants to have a crack at it.. if not, then time for doctorin anyways..
Jan 18 08:07:40 <ajay> g'nite!
Jan 18 08:14:42 <oc80z> blah
Jan 18 08:14:54 <oc80z> i cant get squidview on this router
Jan 18 09:49:58 <Minchkin> Is there another update to preware coming?
Jan 18 11:26:47 <shaikh> hello hello
Jan 18 11:38:59 <jhojho> what palm can access when you install the facebook for webos app.
Jan 18 11:39:05 <jhojho> https://img.skitch.com/20110118-dkxqg5hnbmeakq9he3pea18ggb.jpg
Jan 18 11:41:09 <Jack87-Nook> Chat huh?
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 18 14:13:58 2011
Jan 18 14:44:20 <rohit90> Hello Sir, I have got palm pre with webOS 20
Jan 18 14:44:30 <rohit90> not able to enable developers mode
Jan 18 14:44:45 <rohit90> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1639&Itemid=19#InstallingEclipsewiththeSDK-dev_mode
Jan 18 14:44:51 <rohit90> follwed this link.
Jan 18 14:45:04 <rohit90> but I don't know what is the phone app
Jan 18 14:45:14 <rohit90> I recieved palm yesterday
Jan 18 14:45:16 <rohit90> plz help
Jan 18 14:45:34 <rohit90> URGENT,, dying  to try my app on phone
Jan 18 17:55:17 <kewin> hi all
Jan 18 17:56:19 <halfhalo> hi
Jan 18 17:58:22 <kewin> I'm following the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Installation_on_Ubuntu_for_webOS_PDK_cross_compiling how to to cross compile a program. I have a error during `make stage' about navit. Here is the output: http://pastebin.com/BpZkjGRT
Jan 18 18:00:18 <kewin> Someone has an idea about that?
Jan 18 18:57:21 <Rick_work> well, if would have been good if he had waited
Jan 18 18:57:25 <Rick_work> oh well
Jan 18 18:57:52 <halfhalo> this is the internet, people don't wait
Jan 18 19:46:28 <destinal> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/exclusive-hp-palms-webos-tablets-pictures-plans-and-mor/
Jan 18 19:46:43 <halfhalo> saw it
Jan 18 19:47:21 <destinal> Opal September, Topaz hopefully much sooner
Jan 18 19:47:55 <destinal> if not HP may be in trouble with this
Jan 18 19:57:59 <mikewx> looks pretty
Jan 18 19:58:30 * mikewx looks at his ipad...looks at his pre...looks at his ipad....
Jan 18 20:00:48 <halfhalo> duct tape them
Jan 18 20:02:10 <mikewx> i'm just hoping sprint ahs something decent to say at their feb announcement
Jan 18 20:02:23 <mikewx> if i have to move to vzw i'm most likely to iphone it
Jan 18 20:09:45 <egaudet> gesture area for all orientations, front facing camera :)
Jan 18 20:11:39 <mikewx> yeah looks really nice
Jan 18 20:12:03 <mikewx> apps matter though, and so far... not seein the webos lovin from devs
Jan 18 20:12:17 <mikewx> awesome hardware and design only get ya so far
Jan 18 20:23:55 <destinal> mikewx: considering all the other major US Players being represented in the Opal leak but not Sprint, I think Sprint is probably out of the webos device game after pixi
Jan 18 20:24:36 <destinal> so a sprintified  / comm board swap hacked pre2 may be the latest / last we Sprint users can get
Jan 18 20:26:18 <mikewx> destinal: yeah, sad :( My sprint monthly bill is $56/mo taxes fees and all included. The same plan on vzw (for iphone) would cost me $78+taxes and fees. Sprint has great coverage for me, and superior network performance and they're cheaper. That's a lot to give up...
Jan 18 20:27:21 <mikewx> but unless something changes, the pre isn't enough to make me jump network
Jan 18 20:27:46 <mikewx> i'm not even sure the iphone is enough to make me jump, but the free mobile hotspot mode that it supposedly has helps level the cost aspect
Jan 18 20:28:34 <destinal> mikewx: hopefully someone will start marketing a service to sprintify pre2's.  still without a subsidy we'll only get the die-hards
Jan 18 20:30:01 <seb_or_sam> Verizon users want to do coms board swaps on a Pre 2 as well ;)
Jan 18 20:30:30 <destinal> seb_or_sam: well, vzw is *supposed* to be coming out with a pre2
Jan 18 20:30:52 <destinal> and ATT presumable
Jan 18 20:30:54 <destinal> y
Jan 18 20:30:58 <seb_or_sam> destinal: Yeah, but I got my GSM Pre 2 at dev day and I want it to work on Verizon... I don't wanna buy a new one
Jan 18 20:31:18 <destinal> seb_or_sam: oh, yeah, well comm board swap should be good then, agreed.
Jan 18 20:31:39 <seb_or_sam> destinal: Yeah. I'm worried about profile issues though.
Jan 18 20:33:00 <destinal> seb_or_sam: we'll get to the bottom of that
Jan 18 20:33:21 <seb_or_sam> destinal: how are things going with that? anyone done it without issues?
Jan 18 20:33:58 <destinal> seb_or_sam: we think that the moment that if you keep all the pre tokens, ie the device claims it's a sprint pre, everything just works.
Jan 18 20:34:28 <halfhalo> what's the fun in that
Jan 18 20:34:29 <destinal> except for some issues where hanging up calls returns errors as if they were disconnected, etc
Jan 18 20:35:28 <seb_or_sam> destinal: Really? So I save the tokens and it works as if it were a verizon pre 2?
Jan 18 20:35:33 <destinal> seb_or_sam:  of course you have to disable updates so you don't get pushed an OTA update with a kernel that doesn't match your device etc
Jan 18 20:35:44 <destinal> seb_or_sam: I don't think anyone's tried with vzw pre2 but presumably.
Jan 18 20:35:55 <seb_or_sam> destinal: Well yeah, then it's time to meta-doctor ;)
Jan 18 20:36:25 <seb_or_sam> destinal: or pretending to be a verizon pre plus, whatever works
Jan 18 20:36:35 <destinal> seb_or_sam: I still wouldn't use your same palm profile.  1.4.5 -> 2.0 is a one way street with your profile
Jan 18 20:36:39 <destinal> and if there are issues...
Jan 18 20:36:47 <seb_or_sam> destinal: that's the problem
Jan 18 20:37:08 <destinal> now, once 2.0 comes out for vwz pre+
Jan 18 20:37:09 <seb_or_sam> destinal: I wanna keep the apps I've bought... which is a lot
Jan 18 20:37:13 <destinal> then things will be safer
Jan 18 20:37:19 <seb_or_sam> destinal: true
Jan 18 20:37:44 <destinal> I want to say "in the coming years"
Jan 18 20:37:44 <seb_or_sam> destinal: I'm going crazy with my Verizon Pre Plus though. I wanna through it against the wall.
Jan 18 20:37:46 <destinal> :P
Jan 18 20:38:12 <destinal> since 2.0 is taking sooooo long
Jan 18 20:38:25 <seb_or_sam> haha
Jan 18 20:38:30 <seb_or_sam> yeah, it's painful
Jan 18 20:59:14 <lumines> is it possible to disable updates? o_o
Jan 18 20:59:19 <lumines> ota
Jan 18 21:21:05 <destinal> lumines: yes
Jan 18 22:15:22 <Jack87-Work> scoutcamper|sick: sick?
Jan 18 22:19:30 <playya> is there any brief description of the pixi's touchscreen?
Jan 18 22:19:58 <playya> i want to remove some of the tslib config options on the palmpre
Jan 18 22:20:45 <playya> if it's the same driver, we might be able to reuse these options to configure it for the pixi
Jan 18 22:48:58 <PuffTheMagic> HP/Palm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where is 2.0 for pixie?????????????????????????????????
Jan 18 22:50:52 <Loudergood> sitting right next to 2.0 for pre
Jan 18 22:51:01 <Loudergood> mostly.
Jan 18 22:52:38 <SineOt> Man man man, I sure hope that September 2011 is like, WAY off :C
Jan 18 22:52:44 <SineOt> because that's stupid stupid
Jan 18 22:55:41 <destinal> SineOt: it's probably right on.  but it may not apply to Topaz.
Jan 18 22:56:05 <Loudergood> or phones
Jan 18 22:56:09 <Loudergood> or netbooks
Jan 18 22:57:40 <SineOt> I'm just looking at it off the basis that Motorola wants to ship like 800,000 Xoom tablets by the end of March
Jan 18 23:32:12 <sye> hello
Jan 18 23:32:35 <sye> how do i uninstall the preware from my palm pre
Jan 18 23:33:23 <sye> ?
Jan 18 23:34:33 <Loudergood> why would you want to?
Jan 18 23:36:03 <sye> ?
Jan 18 23:36:17 <sye> anyone here
Jan 18 23:36:48 <SineOt> yes
Jan 18 23:36:58 <SineOt> quit leaving and you'll get your question answered much faster :3
Jan 18 23:37:13 <sye> i got disconnected sorry
Jan 18 23:37:47 <sye> i have a palm and after installing the preware i am having problems with the phone
Jan 18 23:38:12 <SineOt> Preware won't cause problems with the phone by itself
Jan 18 23:38:13 <sye> i wanted to know how to uninstall it to see if the problem is with the preware
Jan 18 23:38:18 <SineOt> Have you installed anything via Preware?
Jan 18 23:38:26 <sye> applications
Jan 18 23:38:28 <sye> thats all
Jan 18 23:38:56 <Loudergood> what is the problem?
Jan 18 23:39:28 <sye> the phone freezes and doesnt let me do anything i have to restart it and or nothing updates on the phone
Jan 18 23:39:49 <sye> alarm doesnt go off, time gets stuck, shuts off
Jan 18 23:40:11 <sye> and i only have had it for 6 month but after the preware all this happened
Jan 18 23:40:13 <SineOt> Yeah, that's a problem that runs way deeper than just installing Preware
Jan 18 23:40:23 <sye> what do you suggest
Jan 18 23:40:25 <SineOt> How did you install it?
Jan 18 23:40:44 <sye> by the instruction in preware website
Jan 18 23:41:11 <SineOt> There are 3 sets of instructions on the site :I
Jan 18 23:41:20 <sye> the first one
Jan 18 23:41:55 <SineOt> which is... (?)
Jan 18 23:42:27 <sye> well hold on let me look at it again i dont remember
Jan 18 23:43:08 <sye> webos quick install
Jan 19 00:18:07 <destinal> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/hp-calls-us-out-implies-its-got-even-better-scoops-at-february/
Jan 19 00:33:06 <lamawithonel> destinal: I'm glad to see they're staying on top of things
Jan 19 00:33:37 <RagingMind> I think that's an awesome reply, and pleasantly quick :)
Jan 19 00:33:46 <destinal> lamawithonel: and hopefully not just that they're releasing phones too
Jan 19 00:34:01 <lamawithonel> as much as I like seeing news on webOS, everytime I do I cringe at the thought that they are loosing control of their message
Jan 19 00:34:02 <destinal> lamawithonel: with that kind of response, they need to have something up their sleeves
Jan 19 00:35:12 <lamawithonel> true that
Jan 19 02:15:41 <sjsharksfan> what up party ppl! destinal, you around?
Jan 19 02:25:49 <RagingMind> rsync to backup my phones media/internal ?
Jan 19 02:25:51 <RagingMind> overkill?
Jan 19 02:26:11 <RagingMind> though staged backups would be more useful
Jan 19 02:26:35 <RagingMind> anyone have backuppc installed and use it to keep backups of their pre?
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