**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 21 02:59:57 2011 Jan 21 06:03:54 #webos Jan 21 06:04:04 is awesome **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 21 07:52:16 2011 Jan 21 08:36:35 can someone check the wiki please? Jan 21 17:59:52 I was wondering if I can get some help Jan 21 18:00:01 first time here Jan 21 18:01:34 maybe.. Jan 21 18:02:01 I have installed novacom and the sdk on Mandriva 64bit 2010.2 Jan 21 18:02:48 and get this message when run novacom Jan 21 18:02:51 [2011/1/21 10:02:33] novacom_usb_findandattach_thread:424: usb_handle 0x180133a0, bus 001 dev 004 Jan 21 18:03:28 [2011/1/21 10:03:10] error reading packet, retry, rc: -1, errno 9 Jan 21 18:04:16 I have tried with both the 32bit and 64bit OS and is the same thing Jan 21 18:04:25 that I don't know...tried a different port or cable? Jan 21 18:04:35 it doesn't like what your pre/pixi is saying Jan 21 18:04:38 yes Jan 21 18:05:21 have you rebooted the pre/pixi? Jan 21 18:05:45 does anyone know why the packages are for ubuntu only in deb mode and not in rpm format as well Jan 21 18:05:52 yes I have done all of that Jan 21 18:08:17 I even checked that is set to developer mode as well Jan 21 18:13:21 geiner, not familiar with what is available on the rpm side...use .debs here Jan 21 18:16:29 I used the alien option to convert from deb to rpm and install properly but is upon use that starts the problem Jan 21 18:17:45 geiner, now you are into indian country and I can't help you much... Jan 21 18:18:13 thx anyways Jan 21 20:30:20 hi there Jan 21 20:30:52 can anyone help with a little problem I've got with preware and feeds Jan 21 20:31:56 I m getting crc errors Jan 21 20:33:52 eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee its quiet Jan 21 20:35:01 :-P> Does anyone know why certain feeds might give me a CRC error in preware Jan 21 20:40:13 it was working fine but now ive got crc errors when I have more than one feed enabled Jan 21 20:41:20 what feeds Jan 21 20:41:46 hmm it seems to vary Jan 21 20:42:00 reinstall preware Jan 21 20:42:01 iif i have optware enabled precentral gives me the error Jan 21 20:42:23 i'm putting like 1.3.8 preware on which is ancient Jan 21 20:42:32 ... Jan 21 20:42:39 is there somewhere I can get 1.5.0 as a java install Jan 21 20:43:09 or even 1.4.5 Jan 21 20:44:18 the java installers should be up to date Jan 21 20:47:04 mmm cant get on webos internals website for latest ver :( Jan 21 20:47:06 grrrr Jan 21 20:47:26 ? Jan 21 20:47:45 shouldn't be down Jan 21 20:48:21 nah i saw a tweet on it - DNS sever is boggored atm Jan 21 20:48:39 shit happens Jan 21 20:49:36 mebe i can update to new preware from within old preware Jan 21 20:49:39 different issues Jan 21 20:51:32 mm I just selected the precentral feed as my ONLY feed and got CRC error. A few mins ago did the same thing with no CRC error. Jan 21 20:52:01 it could very well be a bad precentral theme Jan 21 20:52:03 different every time :( I can't work out whats going wrong for me Jan 21 20:52:31 I don't think ive got any themes, never installed a theme Jan 21 20:52:44 feed, not theme Jan 21 20:52:53 * halfhalo wonders where he got theme from... Jan 21 20:53:25 :P Jan 21 20:54:39 oh son of a.... git is down as well Jan 21 20:56:00 mabee I should try again another day :) I Jan 21 20:56:10 that'll happen with dns issues Jan 21 20:57:13 * halfhalo goes to kick the dns servers Jan 21 20:57:36 where are my pants!!!! can't leave home to go kick a server without pants! Jan 21 20:58:00 no ya can get arrested for kicking servers without pants Jan 21 20:58:11 not if I drive fast enough Jan 21 20:59:17 you don't need pants just really big boots Jan 21 21:12:44 gettin there now - Ive updated preware from 1.3.8 to 1.5.0 from within preware Jan 21 21:13:58 so in theory I should be able to just enable the webos and precentral feeds and not get a CRC error Jan 21 21:14:12 \ Jan 21 21:16:27 my penguin seems to be pulsating 4 a bit too long here Jan 21 21:17:55 penguin? Jan 21 21:20:13 yea the splash screen at the start of preware Jan 21 21:21:04 pulsating penguin Jan 21 21:23:06 muh ... Its definitly hung on preware I'll try a restart Jan 21 21:27:24 ffs preware has now disapeared from the menu Jan 21 21:27:41 its flipping voodoo I tell ya Jan 21 22:11:56 hey cryptk: have you had any luck with the comm board swap? Jan 21 22:33:08 Isega01 which devices Jan 21 23:01:01 sega01, it's done Jan 21 23:17:22 oh man Jan 21 23:17:37 debugging Qt applications using gdb on-device is SLOW Jan 21 23:18:38 I bet Jan 21 23:18:59 of course that's because I have the qt libs debug info loaded and have memcache and the highest setting (while possibly still swapping to flash) Jan 21 23:19:56 yikes Jan 21 23:20:08 next you're going to tell me it's a sprint pixi Jan 21 23:20:22 no but it is an original pre :/ Jan 21 23:20:45 all I have unfortunately :p pre plus is still fairly expensive on ebay :p Jan 21 23:20:58 (or was a few weeks ago) Jan 21 23:21:27 I should be getting one in the mail shortly Jan 21 23:21:40 down to $90 Jan 21 23:23:27 I should just use the emulator Jan 21 23:26:01 cryptk: awesome, thanks. i've been anxious to give it a try and test the bandwidth on it Jan 21 23:26:17 the bandwidth is still 3G Jan 21 23:34:52 does the emulator already have PDK dev stuff installed? Jan 21 23:50:51 nals Jan 21 23:52:14 insane!!! Jan 21 23:53:35 cryptk: right, but i'm still curious about the real world difference from my 4G android vs the pre on t-mobile Jan 21 23:54:39 won't you still be limited to 2g? Jan 21 23:56:23 hrm, you mean edge speeds like the iphone on t-mobile? Jan 21 23:56:30 yeah Jan 21 23:56:31 hey guys Jan 21 23:56:35 does the pre do VNC & RDP? Jan 21 23:57:35 I think it may do vnc via homebrew, but I don't really remember Jan 21 23:58:04 home brew as in unlocked? Jan 21 23:58:30 no, as in via a preware installable app Jan 21 23:59:17 that's totally doable Jan 21 23:59:19 what about vpn? Jan 21 23:59:41 webos2.0 can on the pre2 Jan 21 23:59:43 ShadeS: yes Jan 21 23:59:47 um is debugging PDK apps possible in the emulator? Jan 21 23:59:49 I don't have a pre2 Jan 21 23:59:51 I just have a palm pre Jan 21 23:59:55 am I out of luck? Jan 21 23:59:59 yes Jan 22 00:00:00 the pre can do vnc Jan 22 00:00:03 ugh Jan 22 00:00:05 ? Jan 22 00:00:05 really? Jan 22 00:00:11 no vpn on the palm pre? Jan 22 00:00:22 nobody's hacked anything together yet? or is it a hardware/technological constraint? Jan 22 00:00:24 you can use openvpn from optware if you know how to configure it on the linux command line Jan 22 00:00:41 that doesn't sound too bad Jan 22 00:00:51 and once I use openvpn I can then use ssh/vnc/rdp ontop of it? Jan 22 00:00:55 assuming it'll do rdp... Jan 22 00:01:12 if you have a client that does those things Jan 22 00:01:54 do clients exist for the palm pre to do those things? Jan 22 00:02:02 I'm not aware of any... Jan 22 00:02:39 there is a pre vnc client, it's used to run X apps "natively" Jan 22 00:04:51 from the pre itself via localhost vnc that is Jan 22 00:05:15 ' "natively" ' ? why the quotes Jan 22 00:07:55 because it's X without an X server :) Jan 22 00:08:14 mojo vnc app in place of one Jan 22 00:14:43 rwhitby: I'm going to take a crack at widk installation on fedora and compiling truecrypt Jan 22 00:15:27 fprimex: why? Jan 22 00:16:35 rwhitby: widk on fedora just to do it and maybe provide some docs. truecrypt for webos because that'd rock imho Jan 22 00:17:06 I've already compiled truecrypt in WIDK, BTW. Jan 22 00:17:39 is it available? Jan 22 00:18:09 yes Jan 22 00:18:42 I must have missed it Jan 22 00:19:46 There's a binary in the gehrpelcg repo Jan 22 00:21:48 let me see if I pushed the build script somewhere **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 22 00:48:05 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 22 00:52:36 2011 Jan 22 00:53:19 Hey. Ok, so I have installed the new Pixi kernal, what is the lowest frequency I should go? Jan 22 00:54:30 play with it and see what it likes Jan 22 00:54:30 Ok Jan 22 00:54:40 it will always boot to stock if I recall correctly Jan 22 00:56:11 ok, so I went to 800000 and it bumped down to 787.2 Jan 22 00:59:12 Ok, now to work the magic out... What is "userspace"? Jan 22 01:00:10 that means that a program (like Luna) controls what the speed is Jan 22 01:00:44 Ok. On demand, does that just mean to give it more juice when it needs it? Jan 22 01:00:57 so it means that the software will automatically put the speed back to default Jan 22 01:01:05 yup to the ondemand thing Jan 22 01:01:34 there are some pretty good lists and explanations of the different governors out on the net that can explain it a lot better Jan 22 01:01:36 Now, if I have it set at anything, will it scale back when I turn the screen off? Jan 22 01:02:08 Yeah. I am at the internals site, but it is down. So I am here to bug you. Jan 22 01:02:13 the one special thing for webOS is that userspace get's hijacked by stuff on the phone so you can't use it to set something specific Jan 22 01:02:44 Ok. So userspace = no good. Jan 22 01:02:59 http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt Jan 22 01:03:04 I find I prefer screenstate Jan 22 01:03:16 I can't find screenstate Jan 22 01:03:20 I know pre has screenstate, does pixi? Jan 22 01:03:23 That is why I was asking. Jan 22 01:03:35 pixi may not have screenstate... *shrugs* Jan 22 01:04:06 Woah... Selected "powersave".... Lol. Do not want Jan 22 01:04:33 without screen state whatever you choose will be active even when the screen is off Jan 22 01:04:48 NOOO!!! Dang Jan 22 01:04:51 that's true...I don't have a pixi so I can't say Jan 22 01:05:08 I do. And it SUCKS Jan 22 01:05:35 I like conservative with it going between 250 and 800 on the pre Jan 22 01:05:36 Minchkin: have you read the in-app help in Govnah ? the blue question mark Jan 22 01:05:48 Minchkin, careful, there are pixi fans in here ;) Jan 22 01:06:09 destinal-away: halfhalo has an image file from hell .img. can you try to help him dig into it Jan 22 01:06:11 I've never even touched one Jan 22 01:06:14 Minchkin: and turn off manual settings too. Jan 22 01:06:18 Well... I's sorry. Ok Jan 22 01:06:34 you cannot put in 800000 on a pixi kernel unless you have the experts only manual settings on Jan 22 01:07:27 Well... I turned them on... Lul. And now they are off. Jan 22 01:08:03 yes, I am going to remove that preference completely from the app, since everyone who thinks they are an expert and turns them on invariably are not. Jan 22 01:09:01 you should just label it "I want to break stuff" Jan 22 01:09:09 Sure. I am no expert... But I could at least be learn-ed. Jan 22 01:09:22 That would be win. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 22 04:42:16 2011 Jan 22 05:42:59 I have a question about tethering Jan 22 05:45:21 how do I tether my Sprint Pixi using the new freeTether? Jan 22 05:45:47 using either bluetooth or USB Jan 22 05:46:47 I tried it via USB, but when it finished the install of the .inf drivers, it told me "Could not start [Code 10]" or something like that Jan 22 05:46:56 I know it was Code 10 though Jan 22 05:58:47 so, can anyone help? Jan 22 05:59:08 I have not been able to find out much about Code 10 Jan 22 06:38:59 mugen-, thought I would let ya know... ka6sox and I fixxored the server Jan 22 07:35:16 thx cryptk **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 22 11:17:40 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 22 11:22:19 2011 Jan 22 12:03:45 test Jan 22 12:03:48 s/test/tester/ Jan 22 12:03:48 cryptk meant: tester Jan 22 12:06:52 ~dict PFY Jan 22 12:06:56 Dictionary 'PFY' n. [Usenet; common] Abbreviation for `Pimply-Faced Youth'. A {BOFH} in training, esp. one apprenticed to an elder BOFH aged in evil. Jan 22 12:07:31 bwaaaaaa Jan 22 12:33:03 FYI if people come in with Code 10 errors tell them to update to newest windows service back Jan 22 12:34:59 s/back/pack/ I assume Jan 22 12:34:59 ~infobot Code10 is the error you get when you are trying to install USBNet drivers into Windows XP without updating to the newest service pack from Microsoft first. Jan 22 12:34:59 okay, Jack87 Jan 22 12:35:23 ~code10 Jan 22 12:35:27 ~Code10 Jan 22 12:35:32 infobot, what is Code10 Jan 22 12:35:33 I think you lost me on that one, cryptk Jan 22 12:35:45 ~Code10 Jan 22 12:35:50 infobot, Code10 is the error you get when you are trying to install USBNet drivers into Windows XP without updating to the newest service pack from Microsoft first. Jan 22 12:35:50 cryptk: i already had it that way Jan 22 12:35:55 he said okay Jan 22 12:36:03 infobot, what is Code10 Jan 22 12:36:03 cryptk: what are you talking about? Jan 22 12:36:06 wth Jan 22 12:36:12 infobot, Code10 Jan 22 12:36:14 ~infobot Code10 Jan 22 12:36:22 ~Code10 Jan 22 12:36:40 ~Jack87 Jan 22 12:36:40 i guess jack87 is a newb but not a moron. Jan 22 12:37:01 i give up Jan 22 12:37:20 ~log Jan 22 12:37:20 it has been said that log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Jan 22 12:37:45 cryptk, you taught it that :) Jan 22 12:37:50 did I? Jan 22 12:37:56 if I did, I don't remember Jan 22 12:38:06 haha you changed that topic didnt work Jan 22 12:38:14 than i was like teach infobot and you did Jan 22 12:38:21 well it was too long to include other info Jan 22 12:39:10 it was when i was on wIRC and wanted to read log without taping a ton on the browser Jan 22 12:39:13 oh, the log one Jan 22 12:39:21 I thought you were talking about ~Jack87 Jan 22 12:39:25 oh no Jan 22 12:39:30 ~cryptk Jan 22 12:39:46 infobot, cryptk is a SASA Jan 22 12:39:46 cryptk: okay Jan 22 12:39:46 hum.. infobot is not responsive Jan 22 12:39:55 ~cryptk Jan 22 12:39:56 methinks cryptk is a SASA Jan 22 12:40:02 ~code10 Jan 22 12:40:16 he is lagged Jan 22 12:40:29 infobot, forget Code10 Jan 22 12:40:29 i forgot code10, cryptk Jan 22 12:40:37 infobot, Code10 is the error you get when you are trying to install USBNet drivers into Windows XP without updating to the newest service pack from Microsoft first. Jan 22 12:40:37 okay, cryptk Jan 22 12:40:43 ~Code10 Jan 22 12:40:50 infobot, what is Code10 Jan 22 12:40:50 cryptk: I think you lost me on that one Jan 22 12:40:55 hum... give up? Jan 22 12:40:58 I got no clue man Jan 22 12:40:58 ~code10 Jan 22 12:41:48 ~infobot, Code10 is the error you get when you are trying to install USBNet drivers into WinXP without updating to the newest service pack first. Jan 22 12:41:49 okay, Jack87 Jan 22 12:41:57 ~code10 Jan 22 12:42:01 ~ code10 Jan 22 12:42:12 whatever Jan 22 12:42:53 weirdness Jan 22 12:43:03 oh well someone is bound to know what code10 is no Jan 22 12:43:10 it really doesn't like code 10, lol Jan 22 12:43:25 I tried teaching it code ten, code 10, codeten Jan 22 12:43:29 it just wouldn't take it Jan 22 12:43:47 weirdness! Jan 22 12:44:25 * Jack87 hates code10 Jan 22 12:44:57 * Jack87 goes to bed goodnight Jan 22 22:15:29 ~ogg Jan 22 22:15:30 [ogg] found at http://www.xiph.org Jan 22 22:16:12 hello all. is there any solution (either by patching the included music player or using one of the alternative ones) for playing ogg audio in webOS? Jan 22 23:17:59 Hi, does anyone know if there is a way to install webos 2 on a sprint pre? Jan 22 23:19:00 mandaman2k, maybe if you work for palm Jan 22 23:19:07 not at the moment Jan 22 23:19:55 ahh ok ok, thanks Jan 22 23:20:12 hope the realese it on feb 9th Jan 22 23:21:15 hmm...the ogg issue is the only thing I don't love about this phone Jan 22 23:22:25 ogg issue? :p Jan 22 23:22:30 ogg issue? Jan 22 23:22:47 no ogg support? Jan 22 23:23:00 * SineOt doesn't see that as much of an issue... Cough. Jan 22 23:23:13 cough? Jan 22 23:23:25 I am a Debian Linux user and most of my music collection (basically all the CDs I own) are already on my server in ogg format Jan 22 23:23:30 it'd be a pain to re-encode everything Jan 22 23:23:49 I don't recall if 2.0 fixes that or not Jan 22 23:23:54 2.0 has ogg support? Jan 22 23:24:14 I was wondering if there was a third-party media player that fixed that, or maybe a codec patch Jan 22 23:24:19 http://www.precentral.net/more-audio-codecs-coming-webos-unofficially raised my hopes Jan 22 23:24:29 i've been hearing about mplayer lately Jan 22 23:24:43 I'd settle for CLI mplayer on the Pre Jan 22 23:25:01 personally I'm wishing for a native japanese dictionary Jan 22 23:25:03 it's just irony++ to have a pulseaudio and gstreamer-based device that can't play the most typical Linux audio format :-/ Jan 22 23:25:12 since I tried the one on android Jan 22 23:25:12 why would you use a cli music application on a phoneee Jan 22 23:25:23 because cli looks cool Jan 22 23:25:25 SineOt: to get ogg and flac support Jan 22 23:25:53 why not convert to mp3 Jan 22 23:26:03 Jack87: because we're talking about thousands of files I already have Jan 22 23:26:09 so yes, I could Jan 22 23:26:16 over night :) Jan 22 23:26:19 but I was hoping there was a codec out there Jan 22 23:26:20 how many thousands are you going to carry on your phone though? :p Jan 22 23:26:43 convert as you need them to m4a, tuck them away for phone/media use Jan 22 23:26:49 eventually you'll have them all converted Jan 22 23:26:56 in flac or ogg much less than mp3 as mp3 is pretty compressed Jan 22 23:27:01 ugh converting Jan 22 23:27:05 SineOt, are you here or gone? Jan 22 23:27:08 meh. yeah I guess Jan 22 23:27:20 ka6sox, I'm here Jan 22 23:27:33 maybe I should learn enough about webos/mojo development to hack this back in Jan 22 23:27:34 cool, so I"ll see you then? Jan 22 23:27:42 huh? Jan 22 23:27:52 * SineOt is lost Jan 22 23:27:59 Feb 26-27 Jan 22 23:27:59 I say "back in" because the media libs webos uses (gstreamer etc.) do support ogg Jan 22 23:28:15 it's a bit silly that they were intentionally removed Jan 22 23:28:45 ka6sox: at the moment, I'm open that weekend Jan 22 23:28:58 SineOt, then you're booked :D Jan 22 23:29:05 he he Jan 22 23:29:16 wgreenhouse: not really, no one uses ogg enough to warrant the time and effort to support it in all the mojo media apis etc Jan 22 23:30:32 ka6sox: if you could get me all the info I'll need (times, etc, I assume it'll get done in shifts) that'd be awesome Jan 22 23:30:39 SineOt: I don't see how it would be "all the apis"--as far as I understand it, it'd be enough (at least for the use-case I want) to add it back in to gstreamer and add it to the filename association stuff Jan 22 23:30:57 besides, Linux is the 1% desktop OS, webos is the 1% mobile OS, we should be supporting each other :) Jan 22 23:31:05 * Jack87 seconds the request from SineOt for himself Jan 22 23:32:06 SineOt, okay see PM and i"ll get you hooked up. Jan 22 23:32:21 thanks Jan 22 23:32:23 ka6sox, me to! Jan 22 23:32:44 wgreenhouse: if you're the 1% OS, don't pander to the other 1%s, pander to the other 99 :p Jan 22 23:32:47 okay Jack87...you can come play too. Jan 22 23:33:02 :) Jan 22 23:33:51 SineOt: fine, I guess I'll just convert as I go. Jan 22 23:34:14 wgreenhouse, you kinda have no other choice Jan 22 23:34:18 it's just frustrating that the Pre is using the same media library backend as my desktop, but for unknown reasons its copy was built without the same capabilities Jan 22 23:34:27 eh Jan 22 23:34:33 its all about CODECS... Jan 22 23:34:36 the Pre is a Linux device, I want it to do the same stuff my other Linux devices do, damnit :P Jan 22 23:34:39 i know the reason.. palm doest feel like it Jan 22 23:34:49 and some don't work well on other architectures. Jan 22 23:34:57 (not coded for them) Jan 22 23:35:12 just because it's Linux doesn't mean it's going to function 100% like it does everywhere else, that's a dumb assumption :p Jan 22 23:35:27 SineOt: it's not an assumption but a demand :-P Jan 22 23:35:34 ka6sox: sure, but the codec in question is available for ARM Linux--could probably be ported the same way irssi, nano, etc. have been Jan 22 23:35:41 perhaps I'll have a try at it Jan 22 23:35:48 well man, that's an even dumber demand :p Jan 22 23:35:57 bad premises goes for bad conclusion i am reading that right now in my textbook Jan 22 23:36:23 wgreenhouse, see if you can wedge it in then...go get it, make it work, and write it up in the wiki how to do it. Jan 22 23:36:35 SineOt: I didn't assume it would work out of the box, but thus far the Pre has exceeded all my assumptions about what would work Jan 22 23:36:42 it is much more Linuxy than I expected Jan 22 23:36:52 wgreenhouse, if you pull it off!! awesomeness! Jan 22 23:37:08 * ka6sox wonders if you can get more linuxy than linux??? Jan 22 23:37:26 ka6sox: it's more Linuxy than Android, for instance Jan 22 23:37:51 Android !Linux = WIN.... Jan 22 23:37:52 correct Jan 22 23:38:15 it uses the linux kernel and then goes off on a tangent. Jan 22 23:38:19 yeah Jan 22 23:38:31 and copies Java source :V Jan 22 23:38:42 whereas a palm pre's guts viewed thru novacom or an SSH connection looks like a UNIX box Jan 22 23:38:55 SineOt, thats another WONDERFUL internet rumor... Jan 22 23:39:31 if you can pull it somewhere from Google's servers, a court is going to go "copies!" Jan 22 23:39:44 true Jan 22 23:39:48 it's a pretty bad idea when you're getting sued by Oracle over infringements to have that stuff floating around Jan 22 23:40:10 regardless of if it actually gets used on a shipping handset or not Jan 22 23:40:15 if they were smart, they just used IcedTea or another of the FLOSS JVMs Jan 22 23:40:25 OT Jan 22 23:41:03 ka6sox: "webos is better and more of a Linux than Android" seems on topic :) Jan 22 23:41:44 wgreenhouse, yes, thats true...but copyright infringement by google re JAVA is diffferent. Jan 22 23:41:57 I wish it was different Jan 22 23:42:01 wgreenhouse, and yes its much more lemmony Jan 22 23:42:09 lemmony? Jan 22 23:42:12 I wish webos led the integration front and meego, the fragmentation front Jan 22 23:42:23 #webos-watercooler? Jan 22 23:42:26 and then everyone wins! Jan 22 23:42:43 torchie, we can only hope :D Jan 22 23:42:58 wonder if sprint's magical announcement will be meego related Jan 22 23:44:24 that'd be perfect Jan 22 23:44:50 I have an HP Mini 210 netbook, which was apparently one of the Meego testing platforms--thinking about trying their liveusb image Jan 22 23:44:52 except in 8 days 3G's gonna cost more no matter what i upgrade to Jan 22 23:45:34 * Jack87 doesnt like HP mini.. as usualy are a lesser machine than its competitors and costs more Jan 22 23:45:54 this particular one was a really good deal and has proven to be a tank...also an excellent debian-unstable box Jan 22 23:46:12 Meego is pretty nice, I'm using it right now Jan 22 23:46:21 But it's not very uh, "linuxy?" :p Jan 22 23:46:28 Jack87, but they are TANKS and make Acer's look like TOYS. Jan 22 23:46:32 * Jack87 likes good deals Jan 22 23:46:43 tank as in built like a tank? Jan 22 23:46:47 because that's a good deal Jan 22 23:46:52 yes, torchie Jan 22 23:46:52 what's "linuxy" Jan 22 23:46:57 torchie, yep Jan 22 23:47:03 I still like my MSI Wind U100... Who doesn't love a built in, stock from the factory, overclock button? Jan 22 23:47:10 Flavour of the day "Linuxy" Jan 22 23:47:20 torchie: I'm being facetious :p Jan 22 23:47:32 Meego is weird on the backend Jan 22 23:47:46 linuxy like "uses x11 and runs one of those 'desktop environments?' Jan 22 23:47:57 xfce Jan 22 23:48:11 yeah, I don't think it runs X11 and it uses like, zypper or something weird Jan 22 23:48:19 my acer makes for a nice macbook nano Jan 22 23:48:25 no x11 no desktop environments Jan 22 23:48:32 torchie: my definition is more like "uses GNU coreutils and GNU libc" Jan 22 23:48:34 the best linuxes are the ones that don't use them :D Jan 22 23:48:47 eglibc FTW Jan 22 23:48:51 but yeah, one button and it bumps to 1.9ghz from 1.6ghz, makes Atom not suck as bad :V Jan 22 23:48:54 the best unices eschew such things as well Jan 22 23:48:56 so really, I guess I mean GNULinuxy Jan 22 23:48:58 :D Jan 22 23:49:10 atom isnt so bad Jan 22 23:49:14 eh, it's what I'm used to. I'm also an Emacs addict Jan 22 23:49:16 is that a different flavour? Jan 22 23:49:29 it's not bad, but it's not exactly the best either Jan 22 23:49:37 wgreenhouse, oh you mean the OS that pretends to be an editor? Jan 22 23:49:40 gotta check if my sprint contract basically calls "the time has come" in march Jan 22 23:49:43 ka6sox: indeed Jan 22 23:49:53 Atom is more hindered by the crappy GMA video chipsets Intel loves to pair them with Jan 22 23:50:06 are there any linux distros that just boot into emacs Jan 22 23:50:14 SineOt, yes Jan 22 23:50:18 SineOt, think target market...then it makes sense Jan 22 23:50:41 torchie: I saw a pretty straightforward guide to using Emacs on an almost bare kernel as /bin/sh Jan 22 23:50:44 anybody played with a T2? Jan 22 23:50:48 is that close enough to booting into Emacs? :) Jan 22 23:50:59 ka6sox: nah, it's just more that the GMA950 and GMAx000 lines are just horrible regardless of target markets Jan 22 23:51:28 I decided my Pre Plus was okay in my book when I sshed into my server's emacs session from it Jan 22 23:51:39 also, when I got wIRC connected to my znc+bitlbee setup Jan 22 23:51:40 these new amd netbooks are going to kick butt Jan 22 23:51:58 * ka6sox checks to see if emacs is in Optware for the Pre Jan 22 23:51:58 :/ Jan 22 23:52:07 yeah, Fusion kicks butt because the GPU that it gets paired with isn't an anemic excuse for graphics Jan 22 23:52:17