**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 23 02:59:57 2011
Jan 23 08:49:30 <wgreenhouse> oh rock
Jan 23 08:50:12 <wgreenhouse> ka6sox: package name "emacs" or "emacs22" ?
Jan 23 09:01:04 <ka6sox> emacs22
Jan 23 09:01:30 <ka6sox> rwhitby would NEVER let vi be the *only* editor.
Jan 23 09:01:43 <rwhitby> indeed
Jan 23 09:05:15 <MetaView> there is nano
Jan 23 09:06:36 <wgreenhouse> very good
Jan 23 09:07:04 <wgreenhouse> most stuff I want is still ported to emacs 22
Jan 23 09:07:31 <ka6sox> sounds like an OS to me!
Jan 23 09:07:54 <wgreenhouse> I was just thinking that, and it totally is
Jan 23 09:08:15 <wgreenhouse> that version can run my most important ELisp apps :)
Jan 23 09:08:22 <wgreenhouse> thanks ka6sox
Jan 23 09:08:51 <ka6sox> yw...
Jan 23 09:09:19 * ka6sox goes back to writing erlang on his pixi
Jan 23 09:10:25 <wgreenhouse> heh.
Jan 23 09:10:54 <ka6sox> wgreenhouse, I need something that won't fail...this one goes into Space in 2 months or so.
Jan 23 09:11:04 <Jack87> hi alls
Jan 23 09:11:11 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, did you get any hackery
Jan 23 09:11:16 <ka6sox> hiya Jack87
Jan 23 09:11:33 <wgreenhouse> ka6sox: for the ogg issue?
Jan 23 09:11:45 <ka6sox> wgreenhouse, huh?
Jan 23 09:12:14 <wgreenhouse> ka6sox: which hackery are you referring to?
Jan 23 09:12:27 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, that was me....
Jan 23 09:12:36 <wgreenhouse> oh whoops
Jan 23 09:12:41 <Jack87> ya.. of ogg and some of your other stuff you were talking about
Jan 23 09:12:50 <wgreenhouse> tired, Jack87
Jan 23 09:12:51 <Jack87> did you get emacs working on optware?
Jan 23 09:12:58 <Jack87> ka6sox, did you fix find for optware
Jan 23 09:13:06 <wgreenhouse> about to install it
Jan 23 09:13:19 <wgreenhouse> apparently emacs 22 is available
Jan 23 09:13:23 <ka6sox> Jack87, yes, worked with the devs and its being fixed.
Jan 23 09:13:29 <Jack87> man i an just surprised to still see you here... as i left like 10 hrs ago for homework
Jan 23 09:14:19 <ka6sox> wish I had some better instructions on how the GPS worked...don't want to have to fly a separate one.
Jan 23 09:17:15 * Jack87 needs to read some back log to see what he missed.
Jan 23 09:17:25 <Jack87> GPU conversation on netbooks was getting good
Jan 23 09:17:51 <wgreenhouse> ka6sox: you and your pixi are going to space?
Jan 23 09:18:18 <Jack87> ~log
Jan 23 09:18:18 <infobot> i guess log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt
Jan 23 09:19:25 * oil_pre stil needs to mail that pixi with no screen to ka6sox 
Jan 23 09:20:48 <Jack87> oh boy
Jan 23 09:21:02 <Jack87> something happened to the logs? or people just stopped talking when i left haha
Jan 23 09:21:14 <arkivx> Anyone here know about "the service is not running"  ?
Jan 23 09:21:41 * Jack87 found out that sprint now charges for "premium GPS" to get traffic info.. lame
Jan 23 09:23:23 <ka6sox> oil_pre, yes, I do need it.
Jan 23 09:23:59 <ka6sox> but I'm much more concerned about the trip DOWN than UP.
Jan 23 09:24:02 <oil_pre> I'll try to remember to do it monday
Jan 23 09:24:09 <ka6sox> thanks.
Jan 23 09:26:35 <ka6sox> Jack87, I just need position information from the GPS...I half expect it to conk out @ 60k feet.
Jan 23 09:28:20 <Jack87> oh i have no need to their "Premium features" never used them when they were "included" just getting really annoyed with sprint making all these changes and effect current subscribers.
Jan 23 09:32:28 <ka6sox> Jack87, I don't need to know the traffic report...where I'm sending it I'd be more worried about the traffic between FL21 and FL45
Jan 23 09:32:44 <Jack87> lol
Jan 23 09:32:51 <Jack87> playing with kernels eh?
Jan 23 09:33:35 <ka6sox> no, I"m packaging it up in a styrofoam box and letting it fly
Jan 23 09:33:51 <Jack87> ka6sox, have you lost it?
Jan 23 09:34:21 <ka6sox> Jack87, I hope not...thats why I need the GPS to work.
Jan 23 09:35:08 <Jack87> oh boy
Jan 23 09:35:51 <MetaView> and the gps isn't working?
Jan 23 09:36:42 <ka6sox> MetaView, I don't know if this one has been programmed to quit @ 60,000ft like some are.
Jan 23 09:41:27 <ka6sox> <ka6sox>	MetaView, I don't know if this one has been programmed to quit @ 60,000ft like some are.
Jan 23 09:46:50 <Jack87> ka6sox, what is going on yo! please explain what are you up to there
Jan 23 09:48:01 <ka6sox> Jack87, I am sending a pixi up in a balloon capsule to the edge of space...using the camera, flash and other stuff to record the flight...
Jan 23 09:48:11 <ka6sox> I need the GPS to tell me where it is.
Jan 23 09:48:19 <ka6sox> so we can recover it.
Jan 23 09:49:00 <Jack87> hum. why are you doing this with a pixi? and how will you keep it powered
Jan 23 09:49:32 <ka6sox> flight is about 2-3hrs depending on winds
Jan 23 09:50:10 <ka6sox> investigating fibre optics for the camera..probably won't work.
Jan 23 09:51:27 <Jack87> how is it going to  be snapping pictures? wont the battery die pretty quick if screen is on and its snapping pictures.
Jan 23 09:51:34 <Jack87> while gps is going.
Jan 23 09:52:02 <cryptk> only needs to last for 2 hours
Jan 23 09:52:20 <Jack87> cryptk, and the amount of time it takes him to hunt down the phone
Jan 23 09:52:45 <ka6sox> Jack87, screen is *missing* from this one
Jan 23 09:52:54 <ka6sox> so thats not an issue
Jan 23 09:53:13 <ka6sox> and it can be off anyways...
Jan 23 09:53:28 <ka6sox> camera goes every 15seconds.
Jan 23 09:53:40 <ka6sox> GPS is important mostly for recovery
Jan 23 09:54:16 <ka6sox> the Arduino will take the GPS data and spit out a APRS locator string for the radio to transmit.
Jan 23 09:54:47 <cryptk> how do you know it will come down somewhere within a recoverable area?
Jan 23 09:54:58 <ka6sox> cryptk, don't
Jan 23 09:55:00 <cryptk> you do live near an ocean
Jan 23 09:55:20 <ka6sox> cryptk, because we aren't launching from near the ocean
Jan 23 09:55:30 <cryptk> where are you launching from?
Jan 23 09:56:22 <ka6sox> I think Nebraska
Jan 23 09:57:21 <Jack87> ka6sox, you is a wild man
Jan 23 09:58:04 <ka6sox> it'll be fun to see....so far the ground based testing has been good...I get 4+hrs of life snapping pix with the GPS running.
Jan 23 11:04:47 <createsoftware> Hi all =)
Jan 23 11:04:58 <createsoftware> Any updates on Terminal for webos 2.0?
Jan 23 11:05:19 <createsoftware> v0.3.0 currently crashes the phone :/
Jan 23 11:36:15 <rwhitby> yep, use "Secure Shell" instead
Jan 23 13:27:18 <RocketSnail> how can I put that X on my palm pre if I am stuck w/o a computer?
Jan 23 13:28:02 <RocketSnail> I downloaded the bs2 file, it's in my downloads folder :p  I have no idea how to open the file with root
Jan 23 13:28:58 <wgreenhouse> RocketSnail: if it's a .tar.bz2, the command to uncompress it would be tar -xvjf
Jan 23 13:29:11 <wgreenhouse> then hopefully it contains instructions
Jan 23 13:29:15 <wgreenhouse> on installation
Jan 23 13:30:45 <RocketSnail> this is it: debsmall.img.bz2 , sorry I meant bz2 not bs2 :p, but what these instructions are telling me to do is to inflate this image/file to 500megabytes (its like 88m right now)
Jan 23 13:31:21 <wgreenhouse> yes, bz2 compression is really that efficient
Jan 23 13:31:42 <RocketSnail> would you think I should uncompress it?  or inflate it? :?
Jan 23 13:31:48 <wgreenhouse> okay, command to uncompress would be "bunzip debsmall.img.bz2" then
Jan 23 13:31:53 <wgreenhouse> those mean the same thing, RocketSnail
Jan 23 13:32:42 <RocketSnail> oh..  I was thinking it would uncompress it's contents, I didn't know it would inflate it.  I get it :)
Jan 23 13:32:52 <RocketSnail> okay I'll run that into terminal
Jan 23 13:32:55 <wgreenhouse> its contents are a disk image file :)
Jan 23 13:33:03 <wgreenhouse> so it won't become like a directory or anything
Jan 23 13:33:05 <wgreenhouse> just a .img file
Jan 23 13:38:24 <RocketSnail> very cool, so it created another file after the bunzip command, and now after the second command resize2fs it is resizing the file
Jan 23 13:38:40 <wgreenhouse> ah nice
Jan 23 13:39:00 <wgreenhouse> I haven't followed this particular procedure yet, I'm sure I will soon
Jan 23 13:39:06 <wgreenhouse> just had my Pre Plus about a month now
Jan 23 13:43:04 <RocketSnail> howre you liking it?
Jan 23 13:43:29 <wgreenhouse> great so far.  of course, most of the best stuff for it is Preware and Optware
Jan 23 13:43:37 <wgreenhouse> I hope that HP is able to realize webOS's potential
Jan 23 13:44:01 <ka6sox> wait till Feb9 and then see.
Jan 23 13:44:30 <wgreenhouse> ka6sox: indeed I am making with the hopeful waiting
Jan 23 13:45:23 <Jack87> ~jack87
Jan 23 13:45:23 <infobot> i guess jack87 is a newb but not a moron.
Jan 23 13:45:29 <wgreenhouse> RocketSnail: I find the interface design much more sensible than Android or iOS.  and I like that I can do things like put an OpenBSD SSH server on it and interact with it like most any other unix box
Jan 23 13:45:37 <Jack87> ka6sox, go to bed!
Jan 23 13:46:08 <cryptk> ^^^agreed^^^
Jan 23 13:46:10 <cryptk> lol
Jan 23 13:48:01 * Jack87 kicks ka6sox so he gets to bed... just like he kicked Jack87 to do homework
Jan 23 13:52:02 <RocketSnail> feb 9webos2 comes?
Jan 23 15:12:47 <RocketSnail> ahh it worked fine.  when I was inflating the size of the file it was lagging everything so I had to abort all my open apps
Jan 23 15:15:16 <RocketSnail> would any of you know if I have to active the debian Rootfs before moving on to the next step?
Jan 23 20:45:17 <tmzt> its so awesome that the tablet looks like the pre which looks like the pebl (weird that thats motorola though)
Jan 23 20:45:59 <DThought> there are validated photos of the tablet?
Jan 23 21:19:11 <bsm> DThought: render images
Jan 23 21:19:48 <DThought> bsm: the ones that HP commented with "you think, engadget shows the latest" ? or such?
Jan 23 21:20:19 <bsm> I guess tmzt meant these, yes
Jan 23 21:21:00 <DThought> okay, thank you ;)
Jan 24 01:07:36 <oc80z> whats good
Jan 24 01:09:18 <rwhitby> oc80z: impostah does cookies
Jan 24 01:48:58 <rsnail> hi guys...  would u have any idea on how to see more than just /media/internal in USB MODE for the palm?
Jan 24 01:52:01 <rsnail> because i need to get to /media/cf and i am only able to see internal
Jan 24 01:52:32 <bpadalino> what's /media/cf ?
Jan 24 01:52:55 <rsnail> it has something in it i need to use to get X11 linux on the pre
Jan 24 01:53:31 <bpadalino> don't put it in usb mode and novaterm in
Jan 24 01:53:46 <bpadalino> then use novacom get/put
Jan 24 01:53:47 <rsnail> novaterm ?
Jan 24 01:53:54 <bpadalino> from the sdk
Jan 24 01:54:01 <rsnail> oh okay
Jan 24 01:54:03 <rsnail> thank you!
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