**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 02:59:58 2011
Jan 24 03:05:22 <SineOt> rwhitby: your tweets make it sound like something is coming :p
Jan 24 03:06:51 <ka6sox-away> SineOt, I wouldn't travel that far for nothing.
Jan 24 03:06:54 <rwhitby> there is a webOS update coming, yes.
Jan 24 03:07:05 <rwhitby> and I know exactly when.
Jan 24 03:07:13 <rwhitby> "in the coming months" ;)
Jan 24 03:07:19 <SineOt> heh
Jan 24 03:07:30 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 24 03:08:31 <Loudergood> that's about the schedule for me actually finishing an app, unfortunately
Jan 24 03:10:30 * SineOt is working on an app right now!
Jan 24 03:10:55 * SineOt is putting... Settings widgets in a side to side scroller!
Jan 24 03:11:02 <Loudergood> I've used one of your apps and it's sweet!
Jan 24 03:15:44 <SineOt> Loudergood: https://twitter.com/ruddersquish/status/29376482908315648
Jan 24 05:26:28 <ShadeS> hey
Jan 24 05:27:36 <ShadeS> 'java' is not recognized as an internal or oexternal command, operable program or batch file. <- what I see when I run palm-generate as per: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1661 and I see I have java installed into c:\Program File (x86) but not into c:\Program Files. I'm running windows 7 64bit
Jan 24 05:29:01 <bpadalino> add that location to your path ?
Jan 24 05:47:42 <ShadeS> bpadalino: er?
Jan 24 05:48:21 <bpadalino> if you modify your $PATH environment variable to include that directory ..
Jan 24 05:48:28 <bpadalino> you should get java to be a recognized command
Jan 24 05:49:20 <ShadeS> having a hard time finding that in win7
Jan 24 05:49:41 <bpadalino> not a windows user, sorry .. but look up windows 7 environment variables
Jan 24 05:49:49 <SineOt> ShadeS: install the 64 bit Java? :p
Jan 24 05:50:06 <ShadeS> will that work with the stuff i'm trying to do for the palm?
Jan 24 05:50:17 <SineOt> yes
Jan 24 05:50:56 <ShadeS> do i need 32bit java to do 32bit things?
Jan 24 05:51:02 <ShadeS> will java64bit applications work in java32?
Jan 24 05:51:54 <SineOt> 1) no, 2) no, 3) your using Win7 64 with Java32 installed, that's why your problem exists
Jan 24 05:54:51 <ShadeS> so i shouldnt add the path? just install java 64?
Jan 24 05:55:04 <SineOt> yup
Jan 24 05:55:46 <bpadalino> listen to him
Jan 24 05:55:50 <bpadalino> he's a lot smarter than i am
Jan 24 05:56:45 <ShadeS> ok
Jan 24 05:56:55 <ShadeS> uninstall first?
Jan 24 05:57:01 <SineOt> just install it :p
Jan 24 05:58:03 <ShadeS> i have the 32bit version installed apparently
Jan 24 05:58:16 <SineOt> yes, you do
Jan 24 05:58:26 <SineOt> hence why it's in (x86) and not Program Files
Jan 24 05:58:29 <ShadeS> yeah
Jan 24 05:58:33 <ShadeS> but i don't need to uninstall it?
Jan 24 06:12:45 <ShadeS> 'this program might not have installed correctly' ?
Jan 24 06:15:20 <ShadeS> SineOt: it doesn't work...
Jan 24 06:15:29 <ajay> rwhitby: would you prefer a du /var in the postinst? i think that change in logic in upstart sounds good..
Jan 24 06:16:38 <fahhem> du /var only returns the size of the directory entry in the fs, which is around 1k for many fs's
Jan 24 06:17:02 <rwhitby> ajay: as I said, I don't think the instantaneous free space is a good indicator of where to mount /var from
Jan 24 06:17:28 <fahhem> du -d /var would be more accurate, but it would take forever to recursively find the total allocated space for /var
Jan 24 06:17:59 <ajay> fahhem: ?
Jan 24 06:18:16 <ajay> fahhem: du -s /var/opt isn't so long
Jan 24 06:18:48 <rwhitby> neither df nor du have any bearing on whether /var should have been created as a loopback mount or not when the optware bootstrap is installed, nor whether it should be mounted from such on a reboot.
Jan 24 06:18:51 <ajay> rwhitby: I already agreed to that, my changes were in checking size of /var/opt. If it's bigger than 64 MB, then the current script will break, as it did for me
Jan 24 06:18:56 <fahhem> /var/opt/ is much smaller than /var/
Jan 24 06:19:16 <ajay> fahhem: That's all that's relevant in this script
Jan 24 06:19:45 <ajay> s/my changes/my newly suggested changes/
Jan 24 06:20:19 <rwhitby> ajay: what if someone creates a 128MB ext3 loopback file first (which is explicitly allowed by the postinst and upstart, as the intended way to bootstrap from a larger file)
Jan 24 06:20:38 <ajay> du -d doesn't work, it wants a number
Jan 24 06:20:48 * rwhitby always looks at hard-coded magic limits used in comparisons with skepticism
Jan 24 06:21:26 <ajay> so in that case, leave /var/opt alone
Jan 24 06:21:39 <ShadeS> any ideas why java is not playing nice?
Jan 24 06:21:53 <ajay> maybe also if /var/opt is not nearly full, because that is part of the reason for your script
Jan 24 06:22:36 <rwhitby> ajay: that is not the reason for my script.  the script is there to migrate /var/opt to a loopfs, unconditionally
Jan 24 06:23:23 <ajay> rwhitby: which it won't do if /var/opt > 64MB
Jan 24 06:23:36 <ajay> you mentioned you were doing this due to /var shrinkage in 2.90
Jan 24 06:23:37 <ajay> 2.0
Jan 24 06:23:45 <rwhitby> ajay: depends on whether someone put in a larger ext3 loopfs file or not
Jan 24 06:25:13 <fahhem> ajay: sorry, turns out du -s is what i should have said
Jan 24 06:26:41 <rwhitby> ajay: what should happen is the default size of the new ext3 file should be larger than the current size of /var/opt if it exists.
Jan 24 06:42:03 <Jeryn> anyone home?
Jan 24 06:42:17 <fahhem> yep
Jan 24 06:42:18 <ka6sox> for small values
Jan 24 06:42:59 <Jeryn> awesome. I'm surprised this is working on my Pre. :) So... I have a question about the save/restore app.
Jan 24 06:44:49 <Jeryn> recently, I haven't been able to back anything up using save/restore due to not having permissions to save?
Jan 24 06:51:27 <rwhitby> Jeryn: never heard of that one before
Jan 24 06:53:05 <richajf> Can anyone here help me with save/restore? (I was in here as Jeryn a minute ago)
Jan 24 06:55:25 <richajf> wish I could get this to work. :-/
Jan 24 06:55:55 <ajay> oops, was on the phone, always forget i've got irc up.. ;^)
Jan 24 06:56:08 <richajf> haha, it happens
Jan 24 06:56:32 <ajay> rwhitby: yeah that would be reasonable..
Jan 24 06:56:50 <ajay> I already have the large /var though (per your suggestion, fwiw :)
Jan 24 06:57:46 <ajay> so making a larger file in /media/internal doesn't do me much of a service..
Jan 24 06:58:26 <ajay> Also, how does having a loopbackfs in /media/internal work when the device is in USB mode?  I know /media/internal is generally unavailable for me while in novaterm
Jan 24 06:59:14 <ajay> fahhem: yeah that's what i was thinking..
Jan 24 07:02:05 <rwhitby> ajay: it is unavailable during USB mode
Jan 24 07:02:29 <ajay> rwhitby: that would cause me excessive problems
Jan 24 07:03:16 <ajay> How about an alternate optware-bootstrap package that fulfilled the ipkg dependancy, would you be open to that?
Jan 24 07:04:01 <ajay> 'optware bootstrap for big /varriors'
Jan 24 07:05:05 <rwhitby> ajay: the existing package should identify when someone has enlarged /var and not create the loopfs.  what I'm saying is the detection method proposed is not sufficient.
Jan 24 07:05:57 <ajay> oh ok
Jan 24 07:06:24 <ajay> damn i wasted a pun for nothing.. :)
Jan 24 07:07:21 <ajay> That sounds good.  Actually now that you say that i don't know why i was looking at used and available when total was there
Jan 24 07:08:14 <ajay> that's a quick fix.
Jan 24 07:10:10 <ajay> oh i know, was't sure whether to base it on 1.x or 2.x... will go with /var > 256mb
Jan 24 07:13:55 <ajay> do you have a better cmd?  df -m /var | grep var| grep -v dev| awk '{ print $1}' is a bit long, length tends to lead to sloppy
Jan 24 08:04:13 <ajay> rwhitby: Ok, I'm just going to email ya the current..
Jan 24 08:36:54 <ajay> has anyone tried to work on changing pre's naming mechanism for user-created mp4s?
Jan 24 08:51:00 <ajay> actually i wasn't gripping either, but i do have the att + sitting on top of the vz.. oh wait, att is losin sig now! gah
Jan 24 08:58:37 * ajay accidentally deleted the optware.ext3.. oops! 
Jan 24 09:00:58 <ajay> ok about that time..
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 11:22:50 2011
Jan 24 15:17:56 <r9s> hi
Jan 24 15:18:10 <r9s> I'm new here :)
Jan 24 15:18:45 <en0x> i bet i seen u before
Jan 24 15:19:06 <r9s> I have question: can I change the theme without removing it?
Jan 24 15:19:15 <en0x> no
Jan 24 15:19:20 <r9s> no, it's my first time :>
Jan 24 15:19:24 <r9s> ok
Jan 24 15:25:54 <r9s> en0x: where are you from?
Jan 24 15:26:17 <r9s> I believe I know u
Jan 24 15:27:04 <en0x> ehh
Jan 24 15:27:10 <en0x> boston
Jan 24 15:28:35 <r9s> kurwa
Jan 24 15:29:46 <r9s> I know some gay at the same nick
Jan 24 15:30:25 <en0x> o ja pierdole
Jan 24 15:30:43 <en0x> another polish fag on #
Jan 24 15:30:49 <r9s> heh
Jan 24 15:30:55 <r9s> boston, taaa
Jan 24 15:31:19 <r9s> wiedzialem ze skads znam ten nick
Jan 24 15:32:07 <r9s> en0x: masz Pre?
Jan 24 15:32:14 <en0x> mam
Jan 24 15:32:30 <r9s> podkrecales?
Jan 24 15:32:35 <r9s> procek
Jan 24 15:33:27 <r9s> enox: ping kurwa
Jan 24 15:33:28 <en0x> mhm 500/800
Jan 24 15:33:33 <en0x> r9s: nie wkurwiaj
Jan 24 15:33:48 <r9s> skad ja cie znam?
Jan 24 15:33:59 <r9s> palmgsm.pl?
Jan 24 15:34:09 <en0x> watpie
Jan 24 15:34:31 <r9s> taaak
Jan 24 15:34:44 <r9s> potem sprawdze
Jan 24 17:46:08 <r9s> hello moto
Jan 24 17:46:37 <r9s> I'm just kidding
Jan 24 17:46:43 <r9s> don't ban be
Jan 24 17:46:45 <r9s> plz
Jan 24 17:47:34 <RagingMind> I liked my RAZR
Jan 24 17:47:42 <Loudergood> I just bought my dad a razr
Jan 24 17:47:59 <Loudergood> his old prepaid phone was crazy old
Jan 24 17:48:01 <RagingMind> I'm all for motorola phones if it's not going to be a smartphone
Jan 24 17:48:07 <mpingu> i like my z6 or what was the moto with linux based stuff
Jan 24 17:48:23 <mpingu> the slider with linux as base i think it was razr z6
Jan 24 17:48:58 <PatrickC> motoroa is fine (just not thr droid)
Jan 24 17:49:00 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 24 17:49:09 * PatrickC will be lurking
Jan 24 17:49:47 <mpingu> hrhr i must look if i can find my z6 it was cool but to baad not many devloped stuff for it
Jan 24 17:50:07 <r9s> I like myself
Jan 24 17:50:29 * PatrickC time for lunch
Jan 24 17:53:45 <r9s> what time is there?
Jan 24 17:54:11 <mpingu> time for lunch
Jan 24 17:54:14 <r9s> whatever - how to enable landscape in wIRC?
Jan 24 17:58:10 <r9s> so why this channel exist? for what
Jan 24 18:03:44 <RagingMind> why wouldn't it?
Jan 24 18:04:28 <r9s> you can't answer to my question
Jan 24 18:04:44 <RagingMind> have you been to the webos-internals website?
Jan 24 18:05:06 <r9s> yup
Jan 24 18:05:27 <RagingMind> it's a distinct community of people that would like a place to communicate.  so POOF!  we have #webos-internals
Jan 24 18:05:59 <halfhalo> yup
Jan 24 18:06:11 <r9s> cool story bro
Jan 24 18:07:37 <cryptk> r9s, wIRC doesn't have landscape AFAIK
Jan 24 18:07:49 <RagingMind> it's really not any more complicated than that
Jan 24 18:07:51 <cryptk> mainly because there are no devices that you can really type on in landscape view
Jan 24 18:08:05 <r9s> ok, I'm  sorry I just forgot to take my meds
Jan 24 18:08:18 <RagingMind> if they make a webos-internals movie think they could get Russell Crowe to play rwhitby?
Jan 24 18:08:27 <r9s> but I need landscape to using virtual keyboard
Jan 24 18:08:33 <halfhalo> Or sean connery
Jan 24 18:08:46 <r9s> or bruce willis
Jan 24 18:08:50 <halfhalo> Patches welcome
Jan 24 18:09:23 <cryptk> r9s, it's open source... change it, submit patch
Jan 24 18:09:41 <r9s> but I don't have a computer
Jan 24 18:09:45 <cryptk> everything we make is open source, feel free to change anything and submit a patch
Jan 24 18:09:49 <r9s> it's broken
Jan 24 18:10:07 <cryptk> then request that we make it landscape and if the wIRC devs have time, they may add it
Jan 24 18:10:32 <r9s> I will think about it
Jan 24 18:16:25 <cryptk> there are good ways to get what you want... then there is that way
Jan 24 19:23:34 <PatrickC> whats the current discussion
Jan 24 19:26:17 <PatrickC> does the LED work in 2.0 (as a flashlight)
Jan 24 19:37:35 <cryptk> on my Pre2 it does
Jan 24 19:38:02 <cryptk> using sconix's patches
Jan 24 19:38:55 <PatrickC> what patches?
Jan 24 19:38:59 <PatrickC> i havent seen any
Jan 24 19:56:05 <Jack87-Work> hi PatrickC
Jan 24 19:56:59 <Jack87-Work> PatrickC: to use LED flash light you can not install an app from the catalog requires magic
Jan 24 19:57:10 <Jack87-Work> although im not sure on webos 2.0
Jan 24 19:58:13 <PatrickC> hay jack, im talking about from preware
Jan 24 19:58:38 <cryptk> PatrickC, let me get you the patch name
Jan 24 19:58:53 <PatrickC> thanks cryptk
Jan 24 19:59:00 <cryptk> Advanced System Menus - Device Menu
Jan 24 19:59:19 * Jack87-Work needs to enable led flash light on webos 2
Jan 24 19:59:21 <cryptk> make sure you install Advanced System Menus - Framework first
Jan 24 19:59:26 <Jack87-Work> haha ihavent installed any patches
Jan 24 19:59:45 <PatrickC> ok, ill try it.. (though preware is not happy with me now.....)
Jan 24 19:59:54 <cryptk> then hold the orange/silver button and tap the device menu to bring it up in configure mode
Jan 24 20:00:10 <cryptk> scroll to bottom and tap last line until it ways Toggle LED Flashlight
Jan 24 20:00:20 <cryptk> PatrickC, what's wrong with your preware?
Jan 24 20:00:47 <PatrickC> it just tells me that it is downloading the file, and it never goes to the "IPKG Installing" part
Jan 24 20:00:56 <cryptk> good internet connection?
Jan 24 20:01:36 * cryptk loves his sprint Pre2 @ 1.4 GHz
Jan 24 20:01:49 <PatrickC> great internet connection over wifi
Jan 24 20:01:54 <cryptk> now I want a kernel that runs at 1.21 gigawatts
Jan 24 20:02:38 <cryptk> can you update package feeds?
Jan 24 20:02:40 <Jack87-Work> PatrickC: reboot pre
Jan 24 20:02:57 <Jack87-Work> reboot fixes all :)
Jan 24 20:02:57 <PatrickC> if i can get wirc up on the pixi, ill reboot the pre, im tethering it now
Jan 24 20:03:11 <cryptk> that's possibly why
Jan 24 20:03:23 <cryptk> I don't think the pre's normal internet connection will work while it is tethering
Jan 24 20:03:34 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok it has been
Jan 24 20:03:38 <cryptk> odd
Jan 24 20:03:39 <Jack87-Work> it should share internet but your device that is tethering from it might be hogging connection
Jan 24 20:03:41 <cryptk> try rebooting
Jan 24 20:03:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> rebooting now
Jan 24 20:04:34 <Jack87-Work> cryptk: i have had it share nicely before and not so nicely other times
Jan 24 20:10:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> I tried to install system menu frameworks, and it just gave me an IPKG install error
Jan 24 20:14:09 <Jack87-Work> secretary wants to talk to me about weekend
Jan 24 20:14:15 <Jack87-Work> oh god make it stop
Jan 24 20:16:52 <cryptk> you likely have conflicting patches
Jan 24 20:17:00 <cryptk> remove any and all patches that touch the device menu first
Jan 24 20:19:04 <PatrickC_Pixi> the only one I have is add battery percentage next to battery.. and it just decided it was time for another restart... :/
Jan 24 20:25:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> time for another luna restart
Jan 24 20:29:09 <cryptk> the best way to get the advanced patches installed... update saved packages list, EPR, install advanced config patches, go to saved packages list and reinstall patches one at a time
Jan 24 20:29:18 <PatrickC_Pixi> with no patches installed that affect the top bar, it still gives me an ipkg error
Jan 24 20:29:35 <cryptk> any that fail to install conflict with advanced and are quite likely replaced by it
Jan 24 20:29:41 <cryptk> what is the error?
Jan 24 20:30:19 <PatrickC_Pixi> unable to run command: IPKG OFLINE ROOT
Jan 24 20:30:24 <cryptk> you can use the app menu on the error screen and email it to cryptk at webos-internals dot org
Jan 24 20:30:44 <cryptk> can you email me the whole thing?
Jan 24 20:30:58 <PatrickC_Pixi> yep
Jan 24 20:31:34 <cryptk> I love how fail2ban emails me whenever someone gets themselves banned off my server
Jan 24 20:31:35 <cryptk> lol
Jan 24 20:32:11 <PatrickC_Pixi> let me know if you get it
Jan 24 20:32:15 <Jack87-Work> did you use epr?
Jan 24 20:32:27 <PatrickC_Pixi> not yet.
Jan 24 20:32:35 <Jack87-Work> run epr and try again
Jan 24 20:33:20 <cryptk> blargh, sorry, wrong email... cryptk at nas-admin dot org
Jan 24 20:33:38 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 24 20:34:26 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok, it gave me a mail delivery not working notification email back lol
Jan 24 20:34:43 <cryptk> yeah, cause I gave you the wrong email, lol
Jan 24 20:34:47 <cryptk> it is at nas-admin dot org
Jan 24 20:35:00 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok, let me know if you get it
Jan 24 20:35:07 <cryptk> got it
Jan 24 20:35:19 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok
Jan 24 20:35:35 <cryptk> yep, you still have some kind of patch that is conflicting
Jan 24 20:35:44 <cryptk> update saved packages list, EPR, install advanced config patches, go to saved packages list and reinstall patches one at a time
Jan 24 20:36:00 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok. doing that now
Jan 24 20:36:34 <Jack87-Work> PatrickC_Pixi: did you mess with any quick install tweak/patches?
Jan 24 20:36:58 <cryptk> after you EPR, before you install your other patches, install any other advanced config patches you have
Jan 24 20:37:06 <cryptk> and uninstall any themes before EPR
Jan 24 20:37:09 <PatrickC_Pixi> no, I didn't. the only thing I did with WebosQI was install preware
Jan 24 20:37:18 <Jack87-Work> PatrickC_Pixi: ok sounds good
Jan 24 20:37:25 <cryptk> (themes are horrible, they change the code in bad bad bad ways)
Jan 24 20:37:27 <PatrickC_Pixi> I have no themes on it
Jan 24 20:37:30 <cryptk> good
Jan 24 20:37:35 <cryptk> so you are good to go then
Jan 24 20:37:41 * Jack87-Work won't touch themes
Jan 24 20:37:50 <cryptk> (trust me, the advanced config patches are worth the extra effort)
Jan 24 20:38:00 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol jack. same here. (though I do make them :)
Jan 24 20:38:05 <cryptk> sconix has done an AMAZING job
Jan 24 20:38:14 <Jack87-Work> PatrickC_Pixi: :-)
Jan 24 20:38:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> I know!
Jan 24 20:38:46 <PatrickC_Pixi> I ant wait to get Filemgr 2.0!!
Jan 24 20:38:47 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Jan 24 20:40:56 <PatrickC_Pixi> just finished booting
Jan 24 20:41:05 <PatrickC_Pixi> going to install the patches now :)
Jan 24 20:42:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> I still get a ipgk error even after running the epr
Jan 24 20:42:56 <cryptk> you have something funky going on with those files then
Jan 24 20:43:09 <cryptk> they got modified by something that wasn't removed cleanly
Jan 24 20:43:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> oh well. man that stinks!
Jan 24 20:43:26 <PatrickC_Pixi> I don't feel like doctoring it lol
Jan 24 20:43:27 <Jack87-Work> PatrickC_Pixi: you can always doctor :)
Jan 24 20:43:30 <cryptk> haha
Jan 24 20:43:31 <Jack87-Work> :)
Jan 24 20:43:50 <Jack87-Work> you can extract the files from the doctor and important into the pre
Jan 24 20:43:57 <cryptk> you could always just pull the files required out of a doctor and put them on your phone
Jan 24 20:44:07 <cryptk> damn... we are on the same page today
Jan 24 20:44:08 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's a developer phone, and I don't want to have to use the patch to the app catalog
Jan 24 20:44:20 <PatrickC_Pixi> how do I pull files from the doctor?
Jan 24 20:44:34 <Jack87-Work> use winrar or z7ip to extract
Jan 24 20:48:37 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm probably going to try and get into the pixis LED soon.. I really want the LED flashlight lol
Jan 24 20:49:06 * PatrickC_Pixi is going to brb.. gotta do a little skool lol
Jan 24 20:51:41 <Jack87-Work> bye PatrickC_Pixi
Jan 24 20:51:59 <PatrickC_Pixi> bye lol
Jan 24 21:03:04 <Jack87-Work> cryptk: are you still here
Jan 24 21:03:14 <Jack87-Work> that answers that
Jan 24 21:03:18 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 24 21:03:31 <Jack87-Work> :-)
Jan 24 21:04:07 <Jack87-Work> one time i am glad not to be on his ZNC although it reboots fast
Jan 24 21:06:06 <Jack87-Work> well sorta... as you see Jack87_Away timed out
Jan 24 21:07:11 * PatrickC_Pixi I'm still lurking :)
Jan 24 21:08:44 <halfhalo> apart from the occasional server reboot (or 8), this znc never goes down
Jan 24 21:11:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> anyone herd of a 127 MB .zip file? lol
Jan 24 21:11:55 <Louder|laptop> sure, I've made larger ones in the past
Jan 24 21:12:05 <halfhalo> same
Jan 24 21:12:20 <PatrickC_Pixi> wow, lol. I thought zip files were suppost to be small
Jan 24 21:14:01 <Louder|laptop> untill you stuff them full of things
Jan 24 21:14:50 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol. well, eclipse for java EE is definitely stuffed full lol
Jan 24 21:16:28 <PatrickC_Pixi> I hope android isn't much different then webos when it comes to coding apps
Jan 24 21:17:03 <Louder|laptop> lol
Jan 24 21:17:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> doea anyone here develop for blackberry?
Jan 24 21:23:20 <swisstomcat> patrickc: i've dabbled with the webworks sdk for the playbook
Jan 24 21:24:17 <PatrickC> how does it look? complicated?
Jan 24 21:24:22 <PatrickC> for a new-time coder?
Jan 24 21:28:10 <swisstomcat> patrickc: html/css/js
Jan 24 21:28:19 <swisstomcat> not sure about the device data and sensor api
Jan 24 21:28:36 <Jack87-Work> PatrickC: android is not as fun
Jan 24 21:28:42 <Jack87-Work> but its still cool
Jan 24 21:28:45 <Jack87-Work> get a nook color :)
Jan 24 21:29:20 <PatrickC> well, i have an app that i am suppost to develop for someone on android
Jan 24 21:30:23 * PatrickC brb
Jan 24 21:44:25 * PatrickC is going to go and take care of all that school piling up on his desk
Jan 24 21:46:00 <Louder|laptop> shocking I've had nothing pile up so far this semester
Jan 24 21:46:31 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm on the phone now :p
Jan 24 21:46:32 <Louder|laptop> my plan of avoiding as many intro and gen ed classes as possible in the beginning is starting to pay off :P
Jan 24 21:46:36 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm in hish school
Jan 24 21:46:44 <PatrickC_Pixi> and I love to put stuff off lol
Jan 24 21:46:58 <Louder|laptop> yeah, I hear you there
Jan 24 21:48:36 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's especially fun when ur homeskooled and have a computer sitting next to you (i mean my phone lol)
Jan 24 21:50:42 * PatrickC_Pixi is on a break playing new super mario on the wii :)
Jan 24 22:02:40 * PatrickC_Pixi thinks it time for more skool
Jan 24 23:18:02 <tmzt> shouldn't native code support make the developer buyin problem easier to solve?
Jan 24 23:19:10 <tmzt> maybe whats needed is an open (MIT/BSD) template for building a native gl es app on iPhone/Android/webOS/Meego/RIMM stuff etc.
Jan 24 23:19:26 <tmzt> with cross platfom build tools
Jan 24 23:26:35 <Mousey> dumb question alert: is the pre2 out?
Jan 24 23:26:48 <ka6sox> ~lart mousey
Jan 24 23:26:48 * infobot forces mousey to use Outlook Express
Jan 24 23:26:51 <Mousey> oe
Jan 24 23:26:52 <Mousey> ow
Jan 24 23:26:58 <ka6sox> Mousey, yup
Jan 24 23:27:07 <Mousey> time to upgrade! ^_^
Jan 24 23:27:09 <ka6sox> for about a BILLION years.
Jan 24 23:27:18 <Mousey> sorry, been playing too much minecraft
Jan 24 23:27:28 <Mousey> http://minecraft.ross154.net:8077 see??
Jan 24 23:27:33 <ka6sox> now...if you are asking if SPRINT has it...different question
Jan 24 23:27:42 <ka6sox> Mousey, yup...I see.
Jan 24 23:27:42 <Mousey> oooooooh
Jan 24 23:27:44 <Mousey> crap
Jan 25 00:03:12 <tmandry> ok I have a test Pre (don't care if it breaks) and I'd like to try clocking it to 1.2GHz.. what do I need (or is there a thread on this)?
Jan 25 00:05:08 <scoutcamper> tmandry, check out F102A
Jan 25 00:07:20 <tmandry> kk
Jan 25 00:22:44 <tmandry> ehh.. I need compcache to not be fixed at 20MB for my purposes
Jan 25 01:05:18 <PatrickC_Pixi> what's up?
Jan 25 01:28:45 <mercades> how to i download preware
Jan 25 01:29:02 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/phd-ac has the instructions
Jan 25 01:32:22 <Loudergood> amazing how people can't figure it out, but manage to get in here just fine
Jan 25 01:33:54 <scoutcamper> Loudergood, no kidding
Jan 25 01:34:27 <PatrickC_Pixi> I know.
Jan 25 01:34:37 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's amazing they come here before google
Jan 25 01:35:54 <Loudergood> ah I bet I see why lol
Jan 25 01:36:08 <Loudergood> still..
Jan 25 01:36:42 <PatrickC_Pixi> what do you mean "i bet I see why" lol
Jan 25 01:36:44 <Loudergood> preware.org (which is the first link in google) has a direct link to the web chat
Jan 25 01:37:08 <Loudergood> of course it's right next to a huge button that says preware install guides
Jan 25 01:37:11 <PatrickC_Pixi> ahhh ok
Jan 25 01:37:27 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Jan 25 01:38:03 <scoutcamper> rwhitby, why dont you add a link to Preware homebrew documentation app to topic?
Jan 25 01:39:24 <Loudergood> scoutcamper: noone reads the topic ;)
Jan 25 01:39:32 * scoutcamper does :D
Jan 25 01:40:26 <test_> yup...this shows the topic
Jan 25 01:52:31 <PatrickC_Pixi> where do we talk about Pre|Central and some bugs of the site?
Jan 25 01:53:22 <halfhalo> the p|c forums
Jan 25 01:54:20 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok, I didn't know if there was an IRC channel for P|C
Jan 25 02:31:54 <m0ngr31> so i'm having problems after i swapped out a comm board
Jan 25 02:33:23 <m0ngr31> i had a radio pretty much die on me, it kept doing the "phone offline" thing, so i got a used pre on the cheap on ebay
Jan 25 02:34:10 <m0ngr31> i swapped comm boards, and activated the new esn, but it won't connect to evdo so i can't activate my profile. anyone know what i could do?
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