**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 25 02:59:57 2011 Jan 25 03:28:23 can anyone answer a computery question Jan 25 03:36:23 1+1=10 Jan 25 03:36:27 no Jan 25 03:37:45 oil: there are only 10 kinds of people in the world.. Jan 25 03:37:53 :( Jan 25 03:37:58 those who understand binary and those who dont Jan 25 03:38:10 oil: exactly! Jan 25 03:38:16 i read the tshirt Jan 25 03:38:18 lol Jan 25 03:38:19 umm how reliable is the information you get when you look up what country an IP address is in Jan 25 03:38:35 dsfg: 89.1350123% Jan 25 03:38:38 somewhat? Jan 25 03:38:57 if it says someone is in costa rica can i safely assume they are in costa rica? Jan 25 03:39:31 dsfg: well, it means they're connected from an IP that's almost certainly in costa rica, but that doesn't mean they can't be VPN'd or proxied via that IP Jan 25 03:39:46 he is really dumb with computers Jan 25 03:39:52 he wouldnt know how to use a proxy or anything Jan 25 03:40:01 he doesnt know what country he is in? Jan 25 03:40:24 to be fair, neither do I.... Jan 25 03:40:27 lol Jan 25 03:40:32 i just think he's lying to me :( Jan 25 03:40:37 and i want to know the truth Jan 25 04:02:54 you can't handle the truth Jan 25 04:03:17 rwhitby, nice quote Jan 25 04:07:12 how is everyone tonight? Jan 25 04:07:41 its monday.... Jan 25 04:07:53 lol Jan 25 04:08:14 im not liking the Java language.... i like Javascript better Jan 25 04:19:52 so i'm having problems after i swapped out a comm board. i had a radio pretty much die on me, it kept doing the "phone offline" thing, so i got a used pre on the cheap on ebay. i swapped comm boards, and activated the new esn, but it won't connect to evdo so i can't activate my profile. anyone know what i could do? Jan 25 04:22:38 bypass profile activation, use the patch that Arthur Thorton made, take it to sprint? Jan 25 04:22:59 don't take it to Sprint :C Jan 25 04:23:14 if anything, doing that should have happened PRIOR to the boardswap Jan 25 04:23:28 you crack it open, it's your problem now-not Sprint's Jan 25 04:23:58 yeaaa, i wasnt thinking Jan 25 04:24:04 ask the community at P|C Jan 25 04:24:49 yeah, i did. one guy suggested i check out this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre%2B_on_Sprint Jan 25 04:24:54 to get the tokens and stuff Jan 25 04:25:13 yeah, I'd start off with getting the tokens Jan 25 04:25:16 so i put my old radio back in, and activated it, but it won't get evdo either Jan 25 04:25:49 do i need to meta-doctor it and the get the tokens that way?? Jan 25 04:31:14 are the tokens tied to the system board somehow? could i just pull the board from the one i got on ebay and dump it in mine? Jan 25 04:36:01 or is it just tied to the esn? Jan 25 04:36:13 I have no idea, I've never dealt with tokens before :( Jan 25 04:44:21 dang ok Jan 25 04:48:43 just use profile activation bypass tool provided by palm at developer.palm.com Jan 25 04:57:30 the tokens are definitely tied to the comms board. Jan 25 04:57:45 you can use the Show Properties app to email them to yourself. Jan 25 05:39:28 is there any way to flush the ram on webos without reboot Jan 25 05:40:14 I have no apps running yet it has 138 mb of swap used that happens when I open and app and doesn't release when I close Jan 25 05:40:28 my guess is cache that stayed in ram Jan 25 05:42:10 interesting..which apps have you been running? Jan 25 05:44:39 night webos-internals Jan 25 05:45:20 msd181989, swap should clear out when you open other cards...or are you getting "too many cards" errors? Jan 25 05:45:55 I'm running uberkern Jan 25 05:46:05 and ya I am at times really laggy Jan 25 05:46:19 I start laggin 20 after reboot ram fills fast Jan 25 05:46:40 20 minutes? 20 applications? 20 phone calls? Jan 25 05:47:07 nope Jan 25 05:47:13 I run 3 apps Jan 25 05:47:34 which apps Jan 25 05:47:44 term, chat light, mp3, photos Jan 25 05:48:03 that's 4 apps :[ Jan 25 05:48:06 my bad 4 Jan 25 05:48:08 not familar with chat light Jan 25 05:48:28 do you have compcache enabled? Jan 25 05:48:34 ya Jan 25 05:48:52 how much RAM are you giving compcache? Jan 25 05:48:53 it helped me not crash Jan 25 05:49:16 my fone litteraly froze alot due to lagg Jan 25 05:49:22 umm let me look Jan 25 05:49:50 memlimit = 16384 Jan 25 05:50:43 lagg gets so bad when I hit 194 / 134 memory / swap Jan 25 05:50:55 and that's after 20 mins Jan 25 05:50:59 okay well...your settings are right....so that means I can't help you... Jan 25 05:51:11 are you expecting this to act like a desktop? Jan 25 05:51:16 because it isn't Jan 25 05:51:20 I had to doctor 4 times now due to lagg Jan 25 05:51:26 hell no Jan 25 05:51:29 okay that makes no sense. Jan 25 05:51:44 doctoring to fix Lag? Jan 25 05:51:47 I mean I had alot of apps installed Jan 25 05:52:06 ya Jan 25 05:52:18 you can just delete those, no need for a full doctor Jan 25 05:52:18 each time I doctored it would work fine Jan 25 05:52:36 I have no apps but a few and I'm bak to laggin Jan 25 05:52:37 then leave it alone and just run it that way. Jan 25 05:52:39 well, yeah, probably because you hadn't done what ever you did the first time to it again... :p Jan 25 05:53:13 I mean it's bad where I'm only runnin chat light and it locks up Jan 25 05:53:27 anyways to see wats running in the back group Jan 25 05:53:34 background Jan 25 05:53:45 e Jan 25 05:54:39 3.9 gb internal space left y am I laggin =/ Jan 25 05:55:16 what have you done to it? Jan 25 05:55:22 are you still trying to write apps on it? Jan 25 05:55:30 I doctored 3 days ago so nothin Jan 25 05:55:48 rofl no sin I'm not to busy for that Jan 25 05:56:44 I mean I shouldn't have to reboot ever 4 hours due to mem and lagg Jan 25 05:57:37 does upstart show wats runnin in back ground Jan 25 05:59:21 sin any ideas Jan 25 05:59:49 no, ps does Jan 25 06:00:28 ps? Jan 25 06:00:57 terminal command Jan 25 06:01:46 oh ok Jan 25 06:02:07 o.o Jan 25 06:02:25 sh and ps only things runnin? Jan 25 06:02:34 on pts/0 Jan 25 06:02:54 what am I missing? Jan 25 06:03:14 when doctoring do services still stay Jan 25 06:03:42 no Jan 25 06:04:13 then this makes absolutely no sense unless my palm backup restored them Jan 25 06:09:34 I only have 56 packages installed Jan 25 06:09:41 24 apps Jan 25 06:09:48 all which I use Jan 25 06:10:16 15 of it consist of messenger plugin Jan 25 06:10:43 anyone here have idea idea why my mems being munched on Jan 25 06:11:46 and small question why can't pixi go faster then 600 Jan 25 06:24:07 is anyone here familiar with how the GLIB main event loop API works? Jan 25 08:17:37 hi Jan 25 09:21:08 anyone in here? Jan 25 09:21:57 i need some help. if anyone here has ever seen the bottom of a GMC Envoy 4WD pls respond Jan 25 09:23:42 once again, does anyone have mechanical experience? Jan 25 11:02:00 uhm... this is kinda the wrong channel for that shmungerwos Jan 25 14:55:36 can anyone here help me with a problem I'm having with save/restore? Jan 25 16:09:06 * halfhalo yawns a good morning to people Jan 25 17:41:12 rwhitby: cookie data in imposta is... weird Jan 25 17:43:01 Mmmmm..... Cookies.... Jan 25 17:43:06 http://packetstormsecurity.org/news/view/18525/Microsoft-Responds-To-Jailbreakers-With-Free-Schwag-Not-Lawsuits.html Jan 25 17:43:43 interesting Jan 25 17:43:51 yeah Jan 25 17:43:52 I won't go into detail about the issue that they make "jailbreaking" necessary in the first place, but at least their attitude is better than apple's, clearly Jan 25 17:44:05 yes Jan 25 17:44:15 I'm sure most of us are familiar with that Jan 25 17:44:18 when hp/palm have enough marketshare hopefully they will start pointing out to the masses how awesome they are about us mucking about Jan 25 17:44:32 Thisnrocks attitude is better than apples.... Jan 25 17:45:00 oilsworkn: well, HP's CTO has said it in interviews, yeah? maybe not shouting it from the rooftops .. Jan 25 17:45:41 they should Jan 25 17:50:15 lol Jan 25 18:07:41 hola Jan 25 18:08:50 hello Jan 25 18:12:27 * oilsworkn hasn't seen mousey round these parts in a while Jan 25 18:12:42 yah, i've been a busy mousey =/ Jan 25 18:12:53 TOO BUSY! D: Jan 25 18:13:06 * oilsworkn has been slacking harder then ever Jan 25 18:20:15 * halfhalo gives oil a cookie Jan 25 18:21:28 * oilsworkn needs to implement pastebining(?) into lumberjack Jan 25 18:22:58 so i can pastebin an error to rwhitby, haha Jan 25 18:23:05 you should make your own pastebin! Jan 25 18:23:14 serverside, meh Jan 25 18:23:31 :p Jan 25 18:23:43 it would be eeeaaaaassssyyyyyy Jan 25 18:24:00 i know Jan 25 18:24:03 there is just no reason Jan 25 18:24:06 when pastebin exists Jan 25 18:24:12 true Jan 25 18:25:15 * oilsworkn doesn't reinvent wheel Jan 25 18:25:33 * halfhalo chromes the wheel Jan 25 18:28:53 * oilsworkn hopes next leak is about enyo xD Jan 25 18:36:32 regex.construct(":<%[s]servername%> NOTICE ").then("*").if(" :<%[s]message%>").call("home"); == AWESOMENESS Jan 25 18:38:26 oh? Jan 25 18:39:09 it creates /:(.*) NOTICE \**\* :(.*)/ as a regex object Jan 25 18:39:18 and stores it internally Jan 25 18:39:52 along with all other regex created objects, and then I can run a match against all of them Jan 25 18:41:55 regex.construct(":<%[]servername%> <%[d]type%> <%[]nick%> :<%[s]message%>").call("home") matches all numerical events save for those with values before the : Jan 25 18:45:18 well.... it WOULD if it wasn't being difficult and having options override other options Jan 25 18:45:40 lol Jan 25 18:47:33 interesting... I'm not actually running that function it looks like Jan 25 18:48:13 the way its setup in wirc works perfectly :) Jan 25 18:48:31 heh Jan 25 18:48:51 I'm redoing my node irc with my regex module to see how easy it is Jan 25 18:50:24 when you making wirc node version? Jan 25 18:50:26 xD Jan 25 18:52:09 lets go with... when I get a webos2 device and/or enyo comes out Jan 25 18:52:24 well, ill have to rewrite it for enyo Jan 25 18:52:36 * oilsworkn is not looking forward to rewriting all these apps :/ Jan 25 18:59:43 I broke it and I don;t know how.... Jan 25 19:01:06 AH HA! Jan 25 19:01:15 * halfhalo forgot to save the file Jan 25 19:01:45 gg halfhalo, gg Jan 25 19:06:54 :p Jan 25 19:42:50 is warthog kernel for verizon avail anywhere for overclockin on pixi Jan 25 19:45:12 uh... yes? Jan 25 19:45:57 location Jan 25 19:46:34 do I need to uninstall uberkern first? Jan 25 19:46:35 the kernel testing feeds Jan 25 19:46:50 ya I have the testing feeds I didn't see warthog Jan 25 19:47:07 I have both all and pixi test Jan 25 19:47:16 the -kernel- testing feeds Jan 25 19:47:41 link Jan 25 19:48:08 you're a bright boy, you can find it Jan 25 19:48:21 o.o Jan 25 19:48:34 is it within the all test feeds Jan 25 19:49:13 its within the kernel test feeds Jan 25 19:52:46 found it lol Jan 25 20:21:36 how to update a 2.x compatible patch version? Jan 25 20:21:49 using the webos patch portal Jan 25 20:22:12 can I just click update and select 2.0.1 as version? Jan 25 20:22:24 or will it overwrite the 1.4.5 version? Jan 26 00:03:35 hey sin you here Jan 26 00:03:43 it's sinE Jan 26 00:03:46 sinEEEEE Jan 26 00:03:50 there's an e Jan 26 00:03:50 sine Jan 26 00:03:51 but yes Jan 26 00:03:51 lol Jan 26 00:04:12 ok I found the kernel test but it says use preware.is.awsome.com Jan 26 00:04:29 and reboot and preware will fix it onboot Jan 26 00:04:36 I did so and it didn't work Jan 26 00:04:53 o.o Jan 26 00:05:32 so wat path do I use Jan 26 00:05:53 you didn't put the URL in right then Jan 26 00:06:32 ya I did Jan 26 00:06:45 does the name have to be exact? Jan 26 00:07:49 yes Jan 26 00:08:12 ok Jan 26 00:08:25 * msd181989 think I typed name wrong Jan 26 00:13:58 Is the line "controller.pushScene('pkg-load', id);" in the Preware source for app-assistant.js incorrect? I can't see a pkg-load scene in the sources and I'm confused. Jan 26 00:17:48 ok do I have to uninstall the uberkern b4 installin warthog Jan 26 00:18:49 sine Jan 26 00:18:55 yes Jan 26 00:19:45 so I have to uninstall uber bpadalino 4 I install warthog Jan 26 00:20:18 uber me!! Jan 26 00:20:53 or use the stock kern Jan 26 00:22:21 Error: require Failed: The scene assistant 'PkgLoadAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in sources.json?, line undefined, file undefined Jan 26 00:22:23 every time.. Jan 26 00:22:30 needs to be changed to 'pkg-view' Jan 26 00:33:30 ol sine I have warthog installed what is needed now to get past 600 Jan 26 00:33:49 you're smart, you can figure it out Jan 26 00:34:00 and if you can't, you probably shouldn't be overclocking in the first place Jan 26 00:34:00 o.o Jan 26 00:34:05 rofl Jan 26 00:37:37 very true Jan 26 00:39:01 yeah my impressions of him kind of nose dived after he asked me if I wanted to help him code a botnet trojan :/ Jan 26 00:40:06 SineOt: want to help me code a botnet trojan? Jan 26 00:40:35 bpadalino: omg yes Jan 26 00:40:39 <3 Jan 26 00:40:57 i think this is where i rofl and lol a lot Jan 26 00:41:18 building a trojan botnet is a great way to learn all the ins and outs of the RFCs ;) Jan 26 00:42:02 i'll just use twitter to send commands to the bots Jan 26 00:45:09 it's not 5 but it's time to punch out because i'm on call Jan 26 00:45:32 punch it Jan 26 00:57:46 where do you report bugs for preware? Jan 26 01:08:41 /dev/null? Jan 26 01:08:52 semprance, are you on twitter? Jan 26 01:10:42 ka6sox: I though /dev/null was only for feature requests? Jan 26 01:10:51 :D Jan 26 01:11:39 * ka6sox was being bad and I apoligize Jan 26 01:11:53 yes Jan 26 01:12:25 * halfhalo goes back to running into the wall Jan 26 01:14:38 that is, I am on twitter Jan 26 01:23:06 what is the "bug"? Jan 26 01:25:31 when cross-launching using the "view" type, preware tries to push a scene called 'pkg-load' Jan 26 01:25:37 it should be 'pkg-view' (I think) Jan 26 01:26:35 that works? Jan 26 01:27:07 huh? Jan 26 01:27:13 no, its supposed to be pkg-load Jan 26 01:27:15 that doesn't work Jan 26 01:27:21 because it doesn't exist Jan 26 01:27:24 because it isn't complete Jan 26 01:27:41 pkg-load would take the id passed and load just its info and display it Jan 26 01:27:48 pkg-load would push pkg-view Jan 26 01:28:02 ah ok Jan 26 01:28:09 I just assumed because of the pkg-view constructor Jan 26 01:28:24 So where is pkg-load? Or was it never added in the first place? Jan 26 01:28:39 thats all the farther it got Jan 26 01:28:44 there is no pkg-load yet Jan 26 01:28:56 Ok Jan 26 01:29:03 i believe single-load has been re-added to the service Jan 26 01:29:08 but i've yet to implement Jan 26 01:29:30 Right, well I shall wait and keep an eye on the git Jan 26 01:29:50 thanks for clearing that up for me. Jan 26 01:30:29 no problem Jan 26 01:31:56 * PatrickC_Pre will be lurking Jan 26 02:23:38 anyone help with a pixi connection issue Jan 26 02:25:11 hello Jan 26 02:25:41 what's the issue? Jan 26 02:27:10 what's the problem Jan 26 02:27:43 well, got to dev mode, in as root, then generic serial and reduced cdc abstract.... drivers not installed, manualy installed generic serial but can't get cdc abstract to install Jan 26 02:27:57 tried 4 different drivers, I know the ones i got work but no luck Jan 26 02:28:08 ok, that's over my head... SineOt? Jan 26 02:28:26 also if i try to reconnect with novaproxy and putty soon as i open novaproxy it errors out Jan 26 02:28:42 what exactly are you trying to do? Jan 26 02:29:12 sprint pixi, flashing to cricket, done many pre's but this is my first pixi Jan 26 02:29:58 raster ping? Jan 26 02:30:00 novaproxy hasn't been used in quite a while .. novaterm is available for all the platforms i believe Jan 26 02:30:08 ok.. I don't know how, cause I'm on sprint and don't need to flash.. so hopefully SineOt can help or someone else Jan 26 02:30:09 ka6sox: pong Jan 26 02:30:11 ? Jan 26 02:30:38 yeah, no idea if anyone will be much help Jan 26 02:30:46 if I don't have a right mouse button on my touchscreen how can I get to the menus? Jan 26 02:30:56 Oh, been using novaproxy for over a year now, don't do these very much so haven't looked into newer ways Jan 26 02:31:23 ka6sox: i have no context Jan 26 02:31:29 my biggest problem is I am stuck in mtp d userial mode and can't get it out Jan 26 02:31:31 for enlighenment Jan 26 02:31:33 I think it is either Meta-Tap or Alt-Tap Jan 26 02:31:44 ka6sox: u cant Jan 26 02:31:54 u'd have to re-bind Jan 26 02:32:01 main menu is by default on left mouse Jan 26 02:32:23 illume enables long-ress on shelf gagdtes as illume is intended for ts devices Jan 26 02:32:27 but default e doesnt Jan 26 02:33:14 okay thanks...I was going to add enl to my tablet port I'm working on...my laptop already uses it. Jan 26 02:34:30 I need a tablet friendly windowing env Jan 26 02:35:13 * PatrickC_Pre brb Jan 26 02:45:25 -finally- Jan 26 02:45:33 guys I got Qt really working, for real Jan 26 02:46:21 (it wasn't before, the old port broke) Jan 26 02:52:27 good job tyler **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 02:59:57 2011