**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 02 02:59:58 2011 Feb 02 03:04:07 hey guys, is this the place for help on the SHR install script? Feb 02 03:06:08 I'm not aware of anyone here trying it yet. Feb 02 03:08:02 well bummer. apparently http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~morphis/oe/palmpre/deploy/images/palmpre/uImage-palmpre.bin is missing Feb 02 03:08:13 in fact, anything under deploy/ is gone Feb 02 03:38:32 maik: you don't need a special kernel AFAIK Feb 02 03:39:09 though I don't know what else was under deploy Feb 02 03:39:12 i'm just following the instructions at http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/PalmPreInstall Feb 02 03:40:00 which has you download a Makefile from http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=utilities.git;a=summary ... i think Feb 02 03:40:29 maik: try here instead https://github.com/slyon/bootr Feb 02 03:40:34 the README has steps Feb 02 03:40:56 oh, ok Feb 02 03:44:19 anyone happen to know if there's an app which has both Pre-size and Pixi-size screenshots? Feb 02 03:51:45 appsotutely: I don't think so. I only know of freeTether that has pixi screenshots Feb 02 03:55:33 destinal: interesting, that Makefile looks like it's a derivative of meta-doctor. good to see the reuse. Feb 02 03:57:46 well, I have it the automatic scaling working now, but it would be nice to test with an oddball edge case. Anyone recall if the App Catalog screenshots must be 320x480, or do they accept a 320x400 screenshot? Angry Birds Lite for Pixi has a 320x480 screenshot, so I'm curious now. Feb 02 03:58:38 that's a good question Feb 02 03:59:05 hm, i do need the SHR palm pre kernel, not sure where to get that since all of the place i see source the openembedded/~morphis page Feb 02 03:59:25 oh, i found this http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/palmpre/ Feb 02 04:03:56 rwhitby: nice Feb 02 04:04:31 so I'm a git newbie. I did two commits locally. If I want to turn the two commits into one, how would I do that? Merge? Feb 02 04:05:48 nope Feb 02 04:06:36 appsotutely: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#cleaning-up-history Feb 02 04:09:21 rwhitby: excellent, thanks! Feb 02 04:09:22 Can the pixi comms board be used in the pre? Feb 02 04:09:40 no Feb 02 04:09:47 damn Feb 02 04:10:01 my sprint pre has a bad esn Feb 02 04:10:05 electrically and physically incompatible Feb 02 04:33:40 rwhitby, oil: this patch should autoscale any screenshots thrown at it: http://webos.pastebin.com/dHMDpmMu Feb 02 04:34:40 appsotutely: does it load the image more times than previously? Feb 02 04:37:42 it uses document.createElement so that it can get the image height and width, so I think it will. How would I test that? Feb 02 04:39:28 or alternatively, does anyone know of a way to get that information by some other method? Feb 02 04:42:45 appsotutely: hmm - downloading every screenshot twice just to scale it right it is not economical Feb 02 04:48:09 rwhitby: then the info about each screenshot's dimensions will need to be captured at an earlier step, like perhaps on pkg-view and then appended into the screenshots array. Feb 02 04:48:51 can an image be scaled on the fly after it is loaded? Feb 02 04:49:05 yeah, it just zooms, so can't you set that? Feb 02 04:49:07 in which case the images could load as-is, and then scale correctly as a step at the end Feb 02 04:49:35 see onLoad Feb 02 04:52:09 there is already code like that (that doesn't scale) in the package.js model Feb 02 04:52:17 the function is using onload already. The problem is that the imageviewer takes a URL - I wonder if it would just take a document.image instead ... I'll see if something else works Feb 02 04:52:17 when loading icons Feb 02 04:53:31 maybe do the loading in the packages model Feb 02 04:53:40 then we can insert the image wherever with only loading it once Feb 02 04:54:30 where does packages get called? Feb 02 04:55:07 each package is a copy of the package model Feb 02 04:55:22 stored in the packages array Feb 02 04:55:56 that's during the loading of all the data? Feb 02 04:56:01 yeah Feb 02 04:56:29 in pkg-view its this.item Feb 02 04:56:30 I think that would be too early ... this would mean loading every single image from every single package Feb 02 04:56:33 is the package its viewing Feb 02 04:56:55 no, dont load the screenshots at initialize Feb 02 04:56:56 if we can load it once in the pkg-view, that would be better Feb 02 04:57:01 yeah Feb 02 04:57:37 hmmm, okay, I'll have to think about that ... Feb 02 04:58:02 for now we can do it the way you've done it Feb 02 04:58:15 at least it fixes the problem Feb 02 04:58:21 ill give it a test in a few Feb 02 05:00:04 however, i suggest looking at how it currently does the icons Feb 02 05:00:05 I'm trying to see where the screenshots get multiply loaded ... can I use a Mojo.Log.error or is it something else? Feb 02 05:00:13 like in pkg-view, the line this.item.iconFill(this.controller.get('icon')); Feb 02 05:00:32 I'll take a look at that too Feb 02 05:00:50 which calls packageModel.prototype.iconFill = function(target) Feb 02 05:00:55 in package.js Feb 02 05:01:29 w00t, FSO Feb 02 05:01:31 i use that code to swap out the placeholder icons Feb 02 05:01:40 when its loaded Feb 02 05:01:57 ok Feb 02 05:01:59 then its only loaded once Feb 02 05:02:45 lol, apparently i'm using someone's testing branch with Englightment Feb 02 05:04:36 rwhitby: this may sound like a crazy idea, but has anyone looked at the idea of an remote http based zip extractor that can extract individual files, then using that to just extract novacom drivers for a preware installer over http to avoid the need to download the whole thing? Feb 02 05:05:01 (the whole doctor image I mean) Feb 02 05:05:17 dawe hell, now it isn't booting Feb 02 05:05:42 destinal: sounds like something you should test :) Feb 02 05:06:08 * destinal goes to read about zip directory structure Feb 02 05:06:10 :) Feb 02 05:06:43 appsotutely: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/329 Feb 02 05:06:51 at least we get to close that now :) Feb 02 05:07:30 yay! Feb 02 05:07:56 i thought there was one in there for late-loading screenshots, but i can't find it Feb 02 05:08:02 i always meant to do it Feb 02 05:08:11 so we could have a spinner in the screenshots container while they're loading Feb 02 05:09:57 hmmm, I haven't played with spinner much, but I can take a look Feb 02 05:10:24 its pretty simple Feb 02 05:10:31 just a widget you put in your html and setup Feb 02 05:10:39 and its got a .start() and .stop() method Feb 02 05:12:03 alright, I'll add it tomorrow ... it's almost my bedtime (EST) Feb 02 05:13:41 is there a key combo to put the Pre into a "waiting to be flashed" mode? Feb 02 05:13:54 for use with a doctor Feb 02 05:15:43 maik: recovery wiki page Feb 02 05:15:51 k Feb 02 06:47:25 good morning all Feb 02 16:23:57 hello people :) Feb 02 16:25:45 wow, wtf. my telephone company calls me with an automated system and then starts asking me to key in security information so they know it's really me who answered.. like, uh, how do I authenticate you first? you called me... Feb 02 16:26:01 Lol Feb 02 16:26:12 lol Feb 02 16:26:34 does anyone know how FileMgr 2.0 is coming? Feb 02 16:26:37 phone phishing..heh Feb 02 16:27:40 Loudergood: thing is, I suspect it's really my phone company and just a poor security design, but I'm still not keying in that info to a potential unknown Feb 02 16:28:00 oh I don't doubt you're right Feb 02 16:28:09 anyone try to get access to the Pixi's LED since 1.4.5 Feb 02 16:58:19 Recently started seeing an issue in Preware where none of my installed apps are showing up. Removed Preware, reinstalled, same thing. Only by "reinstalling" an already installed app can I get Preware to see that the app is installed. Feb 02 16:58:42 Don't know if it's related, but I'm seeing an exception in infoLoad#parse on com.webosnerd.sdl-mille Feb 02 16:59:56 is the "Show Installed" checked/marked on in preferences? Feb 02 17:00:05 I've dropped some debugging lines in packages.js:packagesModel.prototype.loadPackages, but Status is always empty and Installed-Time is 0 (for everything except newly installed apps) Feb 02 17:00:24 PatrickC_Pre: Yes, but even if it wasn't, they should show up in "Installed Packages". Feb 02 17:00:50 oh, wierd.. above my head lol Feb 02 17:01:05 I'm also only showing 1420 "Available Packages" I kinda thought that was higher... Feb 02 17:01:25 (default set, minus the Palm Catalog feeds & themes) Feb 02 17:01:50 (and plus testing feeds, of course) Feb 02 17:03:10 drnull: could it be that something happened to your ipkg library in /media/cryptofs ? Feb 02 17:04:10 I'm not sure what, I can't figure anything I've done recently that might have corrupted it. Any pointers on what to look at? I've looked as far into the .js stuff as I can, it seems like everything is being returned by the c IPKG service and I'm not really sure how that works. Feb 02 17:06:18 has anybody else installed sdl-mille? That's the most recent change I can think of, and seeing as how it is throwing errors, I can't help but wonder if it's related. Feb 02 17:07:08 Other weird thing: I'm not seeing drPodder HB in preware. Would anybody else mind checking to see if it's there? Should be in the PreCentral feed, but I'm not even seeing it here: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages Feb 02 17:07:59 question Feb 02 17:08:07 is it possible to get app catalog on sdk ? Feb 02 17:08:53 destinal: seems like /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/status only has the recent apps listed. I guess that's the problem? None of my existing apps (prior to reinstalling govnah, preware, and sdl-mille) are listed there. Feb 02 17:12:54 however, /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info shows all the apps I have installed. Maybe I'll try recreating the status file based on that... Feb 02 17:19:54 ok, seems like if I find all the .control files in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info and add those to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/status (along with a "Status: installed user installed" line) then ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed picks them up (as well as preware). Feb 02 17:29:48 drnull: cool, and, uh, weird that your status got wiped out at some point Feb 02 17:30:08 destinal: thanks for the pointer, things are back to normal now and I've got a few updates to install - I'll have to reinstall sdl-mille to see if it had any affect at all or if it was just a glitch Feb 02 17:31:01 also need to test and see if app catalog installs are mentioned in that status file (since mine are now that I rebuilt the file...) Feb 02 17:31:33 macman_: the SDK will not normally use the catalog since it's not an known palm device with valid device ID etc. you could grab your tokens from a real device and use them in the emulator to get catalog access but it's not a normal feature of the emulator Feb 02 17:32:56 macman_: it's important to note that the SDK's emulator is intended for developing and testing applications, not to demonstrate webOS to potential users Feb 02 17:33:06 drnull: (yes, I'm replying to myself) - yep, app catalog installs are mentioned in that status file, so we should be all good. (we? Really? It's bad enough that we're talking to ourselves, but we're a "we" now?) Feb 02 17:33:29 drnull: lol Feb 02 17:33:44 drnull: awesome that things seem to be working now Feb 02 17:34:16 destinal: yeah, no kidding. It would be nice to know why things died, but I'm not gonna fret too much about it (till it happens again) Feb 02 17:34:28 l Feb 02 17:41:34 one last update, just to clear the app, sdl-mille doesn't seem to cause the issue, so it was probably just a fluke. Feb 02 20:19:41 Heyho guys Feb 02 20:58:49 appsotutely|away: got your patch in there Feb 02 20:59:04 forgot its using the imageview widget, so ignore all the talk of loading the image in the package model Feb 02 20:59:16 will only be able to do that if we throw their widget out the window and do our own thing Feb 02 20:59:34 and there is some weird artifacts when viewing pixi screenshots on pre after it resizes Feb 02 21:46:22 drnull, destinal: ERU would have solved your problem 4 hours ago Feb 02 21:47:51 I don't see ERU in preware... Feb 02 21:48:16 oh, reconstruction, got it. Feb 02 21:48:40 Cool, ERU is exactly what I would have needed, yep. :) Feb 02 21:59:04 rwhitby: how is the http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages feed updated? I ask because I was trying to install drPodder HB on a development Pre via Preware and couldn't find it there. Feb 02 22:15:09 drnull: i think its updated every 15 mins by the autobuilder Feb 02 22:15:24 pulls the xml feed from precentral and reformats it for preware Feb 02 22:28:55 yep Feb 02 22:30:08 if drPodderHB isn't there, it's likely to be an XML parse error in the PreCentral upstream feed Feb 02 23:20:34 oil: do you have some screenshots for the artifacts that you're seeing? for the pixi screenshot on a pre Feb 02 23:24:06 rwhitby, oil: for the extra screenshots, it seems that Palm includes a set for each country that's listed, so an app that's available in 9 countries will show 9 sets of screenshots. Each set could be different, but they could all be identical as well. I've got a patch that would at least remove the duplicate URL's which solves the problem in most cases. Feb 02 23:25:13 a patch to the palm-scraper.py script? Feb 02 23:26:00 Is that the earliest place the data is examined? Feb 02 23:26:06 yep Feb 02 23:27:10 where can I find that? Feb 02 23:28:43 in the preware/build.git/scripts dir Feb 02 23:29:28 okay, I'll see if I can apply a patch there instead. Feb 03 02:33:07 rwhitby, oil: Patch to palm-scraper.py here => http://webos.pastebin.com/Qfz5Yefr Feb 03 02:33:22 * oil lets rwhitby test that one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 03 02:59:57 2011