**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 02:59:56 2011 Feb 07 03:53:10 hi all Feb 07 03:53:17 looking for some good websites for my pre when i get it Feb 07 03:53:23 precenteral.net Feb 07 03:53:25 what else ? Feb 07 04:08:26 webosroundup.com, aboutwebos.com, webosworld.com and http://bit.ly/webos-phd-m of course. Feb 07 04:09:29 ruddersquish.com :U Feb 07 16:33:51 does Jason Robitaille get on here? Feb 07 17:14:40 anyone else getting a 1saleaday pixi? Feb 07 17:22:44 RagingMind pixi is to small Feb 07 17:22:49 RagingMind you like pxies ? Feb 07 17:23:27 :) Feb 07 17:23:45 Josef_B, I have a pre, but my BF ordered a pixi and I was just wondering if anyone had received a tracking number yet Feb 07 17:24:26 nope Feb 07 17:24:32 i ordered a palm pre plus Feb 07 17:24:37 i have a tracking number for that Feb 07 17:25:54 he wants a pixi? Feb 07 17:26:08 what is wrong with him Feb 07 17:26:47 but tracking numbers are usually between you and whoever you bought it from Feb 07 17:27:58 oilsworkn, he's prone to impulse buys... and when I showed him that it was $50 he ran to his computer and got one Feb 07 17:28:06 me to Feb 07 17:28:10 if i see it i need it there Feb 07 17:28:12 if not i don't want it Feb 07 17:28:14 0_o Feb 07 17:28:30 or at least have it shipping / in route to me Feb 07 17:28:42 so tmoorrow i get my palm pre plus .. :D or maybe today Feb 07 17:28:45 i like fedex Feb 07 17:29:55 the only thing on the pixi is the kb is real nice Feb 07 17:29:58 but other then that, meh :/ Feb 07 17:30:08 yea Feb 07 17:30:12 i have fat ass fingers Feb 07 17:30:13 lol Feb 07 17:30:19 palm pre plus is my only option Feb 07 17:31:38 well the kbs are the same size, its just better feeling / more "clickey" on the pixi Feb 07 17:32:13 he currently has an iPhone, so this'll be an interesting transition Feb 07 17:32:30 ohh Feb 07 17:33:02 * oilsworkn doesn't foresee this ending well Feb 07 17:33:17 RagingMind wow going from an iphone to a pixi Feb 07 17:33:30 RagingMind he will have diffculty with screen resolution Feb 07 17:33:38 he prefers to use Ubuntu on his laptop and he's tired of his phone not working with it Feb 07 17:33:46 yea Feb 07 17:33:50 unless you jailbreak it Feb 07 17:34:07 install termplugin/terminal on his pixi :) Feb 07 17:34:14 he can't... it's on loan from a friend that made him sign a contract saying he wouldn't jailbrake it Feb 07 17:34:35 LOL Feb 07 17:35:16 it also laid out prices in case anything is lost or broken Feb 07 17:35:40 what a friend Feb 07 17:35:51 "initial here, here, annnnnnnnnnd here Feb 07 17:36:00 man I feel really generous about loaning my pre2 to my gf then... Feb 07 17:36:44 wow Loudergood Feb 07 17:36:55 Loudergood and why would you do that ? Feb 07 17:38:43 her POS samsung died, and it was the only GSM phone I had on hand, and she was planning to switch to verizon after her contract was up in 1 month Feb 07 17:38:57 so there was really no point in buying another GSM phone Feb 07 17:39:11 it's Monday... Wednesday is soon Feb 07 17:39:29 * oilsworkn wants to see what they got Feb 07 17:39:37 * oilsworkn hopes they come to sprint Feb 07 17:39:45 I hope whatever they have is ready soon Feb 07 17:39:53 since my attempt at getting one of my pre2s onto sprint was total failure Feb 07 17:40:19 cdma is a pain in the ass.. Feb 07 17:40:42 I like my Verizon network. it's the only 3G in my area Feb 07 17:40:48 well, my choice is what, CDMA or ATT? Feb 07 17:40:51 * oilsworkn sticks with CDMA Feb 07 17:41:34 oilsworkn: techincally also t-mobile Feb 07 17:41:37 yeah I hear you, I'd just like sim cards Feb 07 17:42:09 t-mobile like doesn't work here at all Feb 07 17:42:11 Loudergood: I wish gsm in the US didn't suck Feb 07 17:42:16 i dont think we even have a tmo store here Feb 07 17:42:25 CDMA has a sim-card equivalent, but no one uses it Feb 07 17:42:29 oilsworkn: I'm not sure tmo actually works anywhere :-D Feb 07 17:42:33 there's exactly one tmo tower in this entire state Feb 07 17:42:45 * halfhalo has alot of tmo towers here Feb 07 17:42:51 summatusmentis: all the same, I like having a gsm phone (ATT Pre+) because when I travel internationally, I can buy a local SIM Feb 07 17:43:11 there are definitely some countries where I wouldn't bring my smartphone, though, for fear of the data on it Feb 07 17:43:54 wgreenhouse: I can absolutely get behind that, I'm unfortunately in an area where gsm coverage is miserable, and it's not worth even trying Feb 07 17:44:09 dam Feb 07 17:44:15 my phone won't get here till tomorrow Feb 07 17:44:20 we used to have a good gsm carrier, and then they got bought by ATT Feb 07 17:45:30 I wish more companies did was RIM does, and make CDMA "world-phones" (CDMA + GSM chipsets) Feb 07 17:45:56 summatusmentis: yeah, I wonder why more hardware makers don't do that Feb 07 17:46:06 cost, I expect Feb 07 17:46:20 also, maybe pressure from the chipset companies Feb 07 17:46:52 hmm, maybe, and RIM is an established enough player that they can get the big fat carrier subsidy even if their cost is slightly higher Feb 07 17:47:07 are Blackberrys really really expensive smartphones in countries that don't do carrier bundling? Feb 07 17:48:20 I'm sure they make plenty of money off of BIS as well Feb 07 18:10:41 Heavy business travelers will pay extra for a world capiable phone. Feb 07 18:10:48 (How much extra is another question.) Feb 07 18:15:51 heh. true. Feb 07 18:16:16 GSM standard is a great product of government innovation, hehehehe Feb 07 18:16:25 the European Commission directed its development Feb 07 18:16:34 to ensure that there was a public domain standard for mobile Feb 07 19:06:50 hey guys Feb 07 19:19:22 got my pre guys Feb 07 19:19:23 :D Feb 07 19:19:26 like 10 mins ago Feb 07 19:19:28 :D Feb 07 19:20:32 i have an ipone / android / palm phone near me Feb 07 19:20:37 i can do my own dogfight Feb 07 19:20:38 :D Feb 07 19:25:31 throw away the iphone and cover the android one^^ the pre is all you will need ;) Feb 07 19:26:09 hehe Feb 07 19:26:18 im waitching palm video that i have seen lots of times on youtube Feb 07 19:32:38 time to install preware Feb 07 19:35:56 whats the faster code besides upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart ? Feb 07 19:36:59 Josef_B: on my device, the code was webos20090606 or something like that Feb 07 19:37:01 they are on the wiki Feb 07 19:45:58 what would be a decenter kernel patch with govnah Feb 07 19:46:02 trying to save battery Feb 07 19:46:06 500/800 ? Feb 07 19:47:08 Josef_B: play around with it, govnah gives you indication of the rate at which the battery is discharging Feb 07 19:47:27 Josef_B: for my Pre+, setspeed 600 turned out to be a good compromise between battery and performance Feb 07 19:47:55 one sec im downloading uberkernel Feb 07 19:52:18 wgreenhouse is that the actal profile ? Feb 07 19:53:17 fixed speed 600 Feb 07 19:56:54 ok Feb 07 19:56:57 once i choose it Feb 07 19:56:59 is it automatic Feb 07 19:57:02 its just stays now ? Feb 07 19:57:04 no save correct Feb 07 19:57:43 Josef_B: I believe it is only in effect while the Govnah app/service is running Feb 07 19:58:04 you could use Mode Switcher to make it semi-automatic (activates when entering mode) Feb 07 19:58:24 without Govnah, the phone uses whatever the default cpu governor for the kernel is Feb 07 19:59:04 so yeah, if you reboot or something, you won't be using the governor you used before Feb 07 20:03:10 sure he will? Feb 07 20:03:25 when the profile is set, it will stay also on reboot Feb 07 20:03:49 only if there is a crash/luna freeze, the profile will be set back to palm standard Feb 07 20:06:42 ice8lue: I thought without Govnah running, in the event of reboot, it went back to e.g. UberKernel Standard Feb 07 20:06:46 if using UberKernel Feb 07 20:13:07 mhhh possible Feb 07 20:23:32 wow Feb 07 20:23:40 my hand is covering the camera Feb 07 20:24:39 i feel so advanced Feb 07 20:24:40 lol Feb 07 20:24:46 playing with the emulator for so long Feb 07 20:24:57 well its the real thing and i can actuall do guestres Feb 07 20:24:59 that is also diff Feb 07 21:04:31 Josef_B: cool, congrats on the Pre :) Feb 07 21:04:55 Josef_B: told you the emulator couldn't really give you a feel for what the device is really like Feb 07 21:05:22 though better than nothing I suppose Feb 07 21:27:20 anyone going to the event on wednesday? Feb 07 21:34:00 'the event' ? Feb 07 21:34:58 feb 9th Feb 07 21:36:36 yes Feb 07 21:36:44 cool Feb 07 21:50:47 Hi webos-internals Feb 07 21:51:15 hay Garrett92C! Feb 07 21:51:26 Who made the "Boom, action time!" patch? I have a question for you :) Feb 07 21:52:05 im not sure if hes on here, whats the question Feb 07 21:52:06 pretty quiet in here... lol Feb 07 21:52:08 ill see if i can answer it Feb 07 21:52:25 it usually is around this time, everyone is in different time zones Feb 07 21:53:17 I wanted permission to distribute a modified version of it. I edited it so there is no text in the Just Type bar. I want to post instructions on P|C showing people how to hide the 'Just Type' bar Feb 07 21:53:40 Since it seems like no one likes it being there lol Feb 07 21:53:53 does it totally hide the bar, or just the text? Feb 07 21:53:59 i like it ;) Feb 07 21:54:22 totally hides the bar... Look here: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/274403-why-webos2-0-launcher-unpatchable.html#post2851832 Feb 07 21:55:38 The Just Type window still opens when you tap that area or start typing, so no loss of function. :) Feb 07 21:55:40 wow, thats awesome Feb 07 21:56:05 head over to #webos and ask if he is in there Feb 07 21:56:44 I used an edited version of the Boom action time patch and a custom image... It's actually ridiculously easy to hide it lol Feb 07 21:57:01 lol Feb 07 21:57:08 just check the #webos channel Feb 07 21:57:29 I'm an irc noob... how do I change channels????? lol :( Feb 07 21:58:00 "/join #webos" Feb 07 21:58:15 i was like that about 3 weeks ago, no problem ;) Feb 07 21:58:23 sweet.. thanks! Feb 07 22:00:21 ok, found out it was oil who made it... He must not be online though. :( Feb 07 22:00:36 he is Feb 07 22:00:49 just make a message like "hay, oil, are you there" Feb 07 22:02:51 how do i send a message to oil? lol Feb 07 22:04:28 :( Feb 07 22:06:40 "/msg oil " without the "<>" Feb 07 22:09:18 ah thanks Feb 07 22:09:35 no problm ;) Feb 07 22:10:17 and now, I wait.... Feb 07 22:10:25 lol Feb 07 22:11:27 I'm sure he wouldn't care if I redistributed the edited patch... but better safe than sorry! I'll write the thread up in anticipation of a "yes". lol Feb 07 22:26:34 there an app to extend the launcher ? Feb 07 22:26:37 or a preware hack Feb 07 22:29:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Launcher_Add_or_Delete_Pages Feb 07 22:29:14 there something easier as a preware download to do this patch ? Feb 07 22:29:42 yes, in Preware Feb 07 22:29:51 let me guess Feb 07 22:29:54 launcher ? Feb 07 22:30:17 did you "Just Type" to search for it on the Preware main screen? Feb 07 22:30:31 rwhitby im on a palm pre plus Feb 07 22:30:49 is it multiple app launcher beta ? Feb 07 22:30:50 nope can't be that one Feb 07 22:31:49 rwhitby so many launcher options in preware Feb 07 22:31:56 do you mind narrowing it down Feb 07 22:33:43 go to "available patches" then "launcher" Feb 07 22:34:06 yea Feb 07 22:34:12 i did the advanced config thing Feb 07 22:34:17 ("available patches" on the main scene isn't default) Feb 07 22:39:47 ok Feb 07 22:39:51 another question Feb 07 22:40:05 i know the backup on the pre backs up to your palm profile Feb 07 22:40:09 does it backup your apps as well ? Feb 07 22:40:35 it saves that you've downloaded x frmo the catalog Feb 07 22:40:40 and when you restore, it redownloads it Feb 07 22:40:56 oh Feb 07 22:41:00 just app catalog stuff Feb 07 22:41:12 saved package list / saverestore for homebrews Feb 07 22:41:22 ~hgoh Feb 07 22:41:23 rumour has it, hgoh is the Holy Grail of Homebrew, which can be found at http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew Feb 07 22:41:36 * oilsworkn doesn't think its the "holy grail Feb 07 22:41:38 " Feb 07 22:41:39 :) Feb 07 22:41:49 rwhitby that for me ? Feb 07 22:41:56 oilsworkn: you're right, PHD is that now ;) Feb 07 22:42:00 Josef_B: yes Feb 07 22:42:03 HAHA Feb 07 22:42:29 * oilsworkn should have asked for a cut of the profits when you asked if you could use the codes :) Feb 07 22:42:42 then i would probably call it the holy grail :) Feb 07 22:42:44 lol Feb 07 22:43:42 whats with that guy in the pixi overclocking thread posting govnah screenshots Feb 07 22:43:45 that are like, gigantic Feb 07 22:43:57 dunno Feb 07 22:44:00 lol Feb 07 22:44:10 he just loves typing orange-symbol-p Feb 07 22:44:24 but then he opens them up in an editor and doubles their size Feb 07 22:44:28 whats a testing feed rwhitby ? Feb 07 22:44:38 currently i have preware 1.5.4 from webos quick install Feb 07 22:44:40 ~testing-feeds Feb 07 22:44:40 i guess testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Feb 07 22:45:33 rwhitby i will install that once i get used to this Feb 07 22:45:34 0_o Feb 07 22:46:19 you should do a lot more independent research before doing that, based on the questions you've asked here so far, most of which are answered in existing forum threads or wiki pages ... Feb 07 22:46:42 k Feb 07 22:47:29 you don't want to use up your welcome on questions that google can answer, lest you are then ignored for the questions that it cannot. ;) Feb 07 22:48:01 awww Feb 07 22:48:17 ok coo Feb 07 22:48:43 we're pretty lenient, but there have been people in the past who have gone over the limit :) Feb 07 22:48:58 they start getting lmgtfy links Feb 07 22:49:13 yeah, that's the first hint :) Feb 07 22:50:51 yea Feb 07 22:50:57 wwhen i was on android and n00bs would come in Feb 07 22:51:07 lol Feb 07 22:51:12 i would desgise the lmgtfy in a is.gd or a tinyurl link Feb 07 22:51:15 lol Feb 07 22:52:41 gotta tinyurl it Feb 07 22:52:50 for maximum lols Feb 07 22:53:09 :D Feb 07 23:29:11 so anyways Feb 07 23:29:15 * Josef_B looks at his pre again Feb 07 23:44:51 hay guys Feb 08 00:24:14 sent you guys a facebook add Feb 08 00:24:49 what? Feb 08 00:25:33 whoever it isw Feb 08 00:25:36 is* Feb 08 00:25:54 http://www.facebook.com/webosinternals Feb 08 00:28:59 sent them an add? Feb 08 00:29:06 what do u mean? lol Feb 08 00:46:59 add friends in facebook thing Feb 08 00:47:13 ahh ok Feb 08 00:47:49 check out http://www.facebook.com/pages/Awesome-App-Reviews/197138620296442?v=wall Feb 08 00:48:04 fahhem: any luck? :) Feb 08 00:48:47 yeah, i got my option in and all, but I just need to see how to add a button for slow Feb 08 00:48:54 turbo got the SPEED button Feb 08 00:50:52 or should it just be an option they choose and it throttles the speed until they unset the option Feb 08 00:51:03 what app? Feb 08 00:56:50 fahhem: what kind of button? virtual? physical? Feb 08 00:59:15 fahhem: probably'll need to extend the various arrays and such in Event.h and Event.cpp Feb 08 01:00:14 fahhem: unless you just wanna hardcode it or w/e Feb 08 01:09:31 well, Event.h uses KEY_BUTTON_* for buttons that mean different things Feb 08 01:09:43 so there's the dpad buttons, 'speed', etc Feb 08 01:10:06 i was gonna find the list of buttons and co-opt it as a 'slow' button Feb 08 02:24:51 grabbed a droid phone to check it out. wow, what a fragmented homebrew world. hasn't anyone considered a package manager? Feb 08 02:27:45 a droid phone :p Feb 08 02:27:50 there's like 6 droids now Feb 08 02:27:59 + whatever other android hardware is out there Feb 08 02:36:53 well, not a droid but an evo. since the announcement is upcoming and i have 30 days to return it, it seemed like the right time to try it out. Feb 08 02:42:11 i like the evo, wish it had webos on it tho :/ Feb 08 02:42:37 the Evo is kind of one of those way too big to be practical devices Feb 08 02:44:45 nah, it's thin enough to pocket. i'm a business dude and it's not bad in the front pocket or coat pocket due to thinness. the issue so far is that the OS is less than desirable and the damned hardware buttons are touchy. Feb 08 02:45:53 how is the homebrew community? Feb 08 02:46:00 like for overclocking and patching Feb 08 02:48:18 it's strong, but i would say it is more...hmm...juvenile than the webos world. Feb 08 02:49:55 have u overclocked yet? lol Feb 08 02:50:17 this new Kyocera Echo looks awesome Feb 08 02:50:38 some things humor me, the recovery boot reminds me of the old SunOS tape based (1/4") swap based root. Feb 08 02:51:15 the Echo looks like the type of device that would be cool then you realize it's terrible Feb 08 02:51:46 and they do everythign in damned zip files, i guess .apk's are shitty for depres or some such. Feb 08 02:51:58 "You can run two apps at the same time!*" Feb 08 02:51:58 *not really, it just freezes one app, switches to the other, and keeps flicking back and forth, so each app basically runs at half speed Feb 08 02:52:15 the Echo almost makes me want to go to Android just because of the form factor of the phone! Feb 08 02:52:19 almost lol Feb 08 02:52:36 its practicly an android tablet with a phone Feb 08 02:55:06 brb Feb 08 02:57:53 i think it will bomb Feb 08 02:58:03 yeah Feb 08 02:58:27 Wanna see something funny? it was an email i just got lol Feb 08 02:58:28 if it could realistically run two apps at the same time, and not effectively halve the cpu power instead Feb 08 02:58:33 its long though... Feb 08 02:58:38 matter of fact, from what i have seen webos kills droid for usability and elegance, but the webos hardware sucks. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 08 02:59:57 2011