**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 08 02:59:57 2011 Feb 08 03:01:25 brb Feb 08 03:02:54 i want webos on this hardware Feb 08 03:02:58 ...oh, and the apps. Feb 08 03:03:47 dreadchicken: "juvenile" is an appropriate term, based on what I've seen Feb 08 03:03:50 i took a picture of a "chick hicks" car hauler Santa gave my son for Christmas in shopper and it freaking identifed it and found it online. wtf? Feb 08 03:04:38 rwhitby, yes. they talk [ROM]'s and such, but it isn't, is it? it's laying down a .zip on a fs. Feb 08 03:04:38 dreadchicken: nothing like Preware or Cydia ? Feb 08 03:05:32 nope, wild west. zip -d /sdcard/somestuff Feb 08 03:05:39 wtf it that? Feb 08 03:06:29 dreadchicken: there is a certain level of developmental maturity where you cease inserting numbers instead of letters inside application names, and care more for the cohesion of the ecosystem than for any one particular package. Feb 08 03:06:43 no package management, i can only assume that .apk is unsuitable for real pkg mgmt; i havent' looked in depth, but i assume it doesnt' have a decent set of tools in pre and post. Feb 08 03:07:16 ...and deprev Feb 08 03:07:31 dreadchicken: well, Palm's ipkg format didn't have pre and post until 1.4.5, but we managed to define a standard across webOS homebrew Feb 08 03:08:12 and Palm's installer doesn't even have a means to describe dependencies, yet Preware handles them fine. Feb 08 03:09:34 yes, webos internals has done a wonderful job and specifically you Rod. i remember the early days when we were hacking away and you were brining some sense to our discoveries. btw, i assume you had a heads up that they were going ipk? Feb 08 03:10:01 we saw ipk stuff in the first webOS doctor Feb 08 03:11:23 what brought you to webos though, serendipity or clue? Feb 08 03:14:11 I used Palm devices previously, and took some time to examine the webOS Doctor to notice that they had done things right with webOS. Feb 08 03:16:03 rwhitby, not to expand your head. i see what i would call the "spark plugs" still around, but we needed a framework to work within and you offered one and shepparded it along. Feb 08 03:17:15 a bit of organisation in a developer group can have some good multiplicative effects, as long as they are not individually constrained in any way. Feb 08 03:17:37 android sucks for that, they don't have users, /etc is fubar from what i have seen. /usr becomes /system and /home and /usr/local become /data. Feb 08 03:18:40 sshfs/samba or nfs? Feb 08 03:18:53 for file sharing betweet linux servers Feb 08 03:21:04 heh, i still muse that ken and dennis are well drunk knowing that unix did makes its place, not in high science, but in teens pockets. Feb 08 03:21:43 en0x, nfs between servers, it's what we do in the *nix world. Feb 08 03:22:18 i have bad experience with nfs Feb 08 03:22:55 en0x, how? it's rock solid and with all the advantages (and disadvantages) of being stateless up through ver3. Feb 08 03:23:11 locking is a hack, but works. Feb 08 03:23:27 timeouts, hanging up backups, Feb 08 03:23:43 when the server becomes unavailable it all fails and it can't recover Feb 08 03:23:50 then your network sucks. Feb 08 03:23:57 :) Feb 08 03:24:06 sshfs on the other hand can recover Feb 08 03:24:10 it has autoreconnect Feb 08 03:24:11 ;] Feb 08 03:24:11 blocks on io, not a bad thing. just make the export available again and it goes on. Feb 08 03:25:51 nfs doesnt' match the "right now" world, but you can have it block on io until the export becomes available again and then continue. there are stories of nfs exports being reconnected after months(!) and the operation completing. Feb 08 03:26:35 but yes, the ls -l on a down server will hang forever. Feb 08 03:27:24 i'll take nfs over smb almost anyday, especially with ver4 being an option if i need it to be stateful. Feb 08 03:27:25 yap and i cant allow that... Feb 08 03:27:30 thanks for the tips anyway Feb 08 03:27:36 smb sucks Feb 08 03:27:42 rsync? Feb 08 03:27:46 just run into issues today and i could not remount it Feb 08 03:27:55 you require fs level access? Feb 08 03:27:58 it was saying that there is no directory bla bla Feb 08 03:28:12 right, stale mount? Feb 08 03:28:17 and the error wasnt good enough Feb 08 03:28:20 just a mount Feb 08 03:28:40 there is one main file server that serves all the content to streaming servers and web servers Feb 08 03:29:08 if you need to be stateful, nfs isn't your friend unless you want to use nfsv4 Feb 08 03:29:41 and there is one more server which is a transcoder and it transcodes vides and putting on the shared volume Feb 08 03:29:50 how about afs or the like? (hence is rsync an option, just rsync locally) Feb 08 03:29:52 only this server needs rw access to the share Feb 08 03:30:13 rsync won't do over 500gb and growing. Feb 08 03:30:23 dreadchicken: i'm talking about amazon aws Feb 08 03:31:13 this thing that i'm putting together has to be failover safe and autoscaling safe Feb 08 03:31:43 and i'm looking for the best option to share amazon's ebs volume Feb 08 03:31:46 i just rsynced 18tb over the weekend. Feb 08 03:31:53 gotcha, different problem. Feb 08 03:32:05 dreadchicken: yeah but on AMAZON u pay for every IO and GB Feb 08 03:32:24 yeah, i use it. Feb 08 03:33:33 there was this contractor working here Feb 08 03:33:40 so he just did a huge mess Feb 08 03:33:59 and everything fails every while, and I'm redoing it all Feb 08 03:34:17 which is mostly completed except sharing directory Feb 08 03:34:24 and i think i will go with sshfs Feb 08 03:35:08 common issue, he met the goals but not in a way that is maintainable or supportable. Feb 08 03:35:26 not only sharing Feb 08 03:35:46 he borked the httpd configs tomcat configs etc... monitoring bla bla bla Feb 08 03:36:34 the first month here at my new job was a hell Feb 08 03:36:35 ;] Feb 08 03:36:39 but now i'm doing ok Feb 08 03:38:25 the fun is un-fucking it. Feb 08 03:38:49 yap' Feb 08 03:39:36 you could nfs and use hard,intr to get a failure. i lean on nfs only because it is semi-ingrained into the *nix world. Feb 08 03:41:32 yeah Feb 08 03:41:46 but i'm still leaning towards sshfs Feb 08 03:42:29 i use sshfs, but it's a hack. really cool hack, but a hack. Feb 08 03:42:49 heh, if corporations knew what ssh was, it would be illegal. Feb 08 03:43:04 ^in the us Feb 08 03:44:10 ;D Feb 08 03:44:23 yeah and u should use telnet for login in Feb 08 03:44:24 ;P Feb 08 03:45:40 hah, in the webos world we DID early on. my contrib is getting dropbear running on webos, i couldn't stand we had open telnet. Feb 08 03:49:45 yes i know... i was here in early days too ;P Feb 08 03:50:20 the prodigal sons have returned for the big announcement :) Feb 08 03:51:12 i was here all the time just not talking because there was nothing to talk about :P Feb 08 03:52:14 en0x: and you think that will change tomorrow? Feb 08 03:53:33 no i just had a question and this # was the only one with live ppl Feb 08 05:42:19 #c++ Feb 08 05:42:21 erm Feb 08 06:07:47 rwhitby, heya how are things? Feb 08 06:08:01 u coming to SF for dev conf this year? Feb 08 06:08:10 missed u last year Feb 08 06:08:35 dreadchicken: ssh is already illegal in Iran Feb 08 06:09:06 wgreenhouse, technically it i illegal in my birth country too but everyone uses it still :) Feb 08 06:09:34 s/i/is/ Feb 08 06:09:35 drzero meant: wgreenhouse, techniscally it i illegal in my birth country too but everyone uses it still :) Feb 08 06:09:56 drzero: I went to the NYC dev day, but cannot make it to the Feb 9 event Feb 08 06:09:56 lol :) Feb 08 06:10:10 aww :( Feb 08 06:10:27 I have put in a proposal for a talk at OSCON in July in Portland. Feb 08 06:10:39 and now for the grand opening: - If only someone was here to help me debug freeTether :) Feb 08 06:11:19 * drzero just had a dishwasher disaster and is a little energized after cleaning up X gallon spill in his kitchen Feb 08 06:11:58 rwhitby, what's the criteria to get it approved? Feb 08 06:12:06 dunno Feb 08 06:12:24 sadly enough I might be leaving Pre for Android ;( Feb 08 06:12:29 http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011/public/cfp/144 Feb 08 06:12:35 drzero: good for you. I consider encryption to be the right that enables free expression on the Internet :) Feb 08 06:12:45 I want to start on some patches, and want to look at the layout of current patches. but can't figure out how to look at the guts of current patches. any help? Feb 08 06:12:59 hay wgrenhouse! Feb 08 06:13:07 hey PatrickC_Pre Feb 08 06:13:12 how goes it? Feb 08 06:13:14 wgreenhouse, well it's not totally illegal - you just have to use "FSB Approved Cyphers" Feb 08 06:13:20 how's it goin? Feb 08 06:13:23 goin good Feb 08 06:13:33 drzero: oh right, the crypto export restriction nonsense? Feb 08 06:13:44 waiting for the 9th! Feb 08 06:13:53 PatrickC_Pre: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/webos-1.4.5 Feb 08 06:14:08 nope - Russian federal security beauro restrictions :) Feb 08 06:14:17 luckily I live in the US :) Feb 08 06:14:18 oh, and we are going to host a live-blog from the event. arthur is running it Feb 08 06:14:20 oh. only ciphers with a backdoor yeah? Feb 08 06:14:24 ;-) Feb 08 06:14:34 only the ones they can crack :) Feb 08 06:14:44 they also technically banned Skype :) Feb 08 06:14:49 thanks rwhitby Feb 08 06:15:05 cuz they can' Feb 08 06:15:06 drzero: fortunately for Russia, I think Russian hackers are way ahead of the Russian govt Feb 08 06:15:09 t track it Feb 08 06:15:41 wgreenhouse, you are on point there - and the FSB (ex KGB) can't pay them enough to recruit them on their side like NSA can :) Feb 08 06:15:47 PatrickC_Pre: doing well, just recovering from a long day of class and orchestra rehearsal Feb 08 06:16:01 is PuffTheMagic ever around? Feb 08 06:16:17 sounds fun! lol Feb 08 06:16:30 yeah, it was a good, but long day Feb 08 06:16:39 I made it extra long by getting up and freaking out I was "late" Feb 08 06:16:46 for something I don't have to go to till Wednesday, lol Feb 08 06:17:07 lol Feb 08 06:17:13 late for the event? ;) Feb 08 06:17:26 you can have your calendar on your computers and phone and still be a FOOL waking up and figuring out what you need to do Feb 08 06:17:37 heh, nah, unfortunately no--late for my ass-early Wednesday class Feb 08 06:17:41 wgreenhouse, are you in Bay Area? Feb 08 06:18:03 re: 9th, San Francisco event Feb 08 06:18:46 erm I think I meant to ask PatrickC_Pre that Feb 08 06:19:07 drzero: nah, other side of country Feb 08 06:19:19 no, I'm in middle TN around Nashville... or I would go Feb 08 06:22:48 I live in SF but I haven't registered in time Feb 08 06:22:54 maybe I can get one of my buddies back Feb 08 06:23:03 that stinks Feb 08 06:23:25 * drzero BRB - is going to toss the portable dishwasher/flood maker out on the street Feb 08 06:23:26 tune into http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com for live coverage of the event :) Feb 08 06:23:41 have fun lol Feb 08 06:23:57 you know its SF Feb 08 06:24:02 someone will pick it up and fix Feb 08 06:24:10 spending half its price in spare parts Feb 08 06:24:17 thanks for the link Rod, found what I was looking for :) Feb 08 06:24:31 will start /trying/ to work on a patch soon Feb 08 06:24:43 remember folks - just because it is "Italian Designed" and "mad in Turkey" doesn't mean its good Feb 08 06:24:55 that site I just linked to is awesome btw :) Feb 08 06:25:00 lol Feb 08 06:25:27 as for replacing my dishwasher - fuck it - I got a girlfriend :) Feb 08 06:25:28 not as awesome as http://preware.is.awesome.com/ Feb 08 06:27:09 u mean the site that won't load in my browser? lol Feb 08 06:28:31 hah, it's not meant to be entered in a browser. that's how awesome it is. Feb 08 06:28:50 if I don't respond for a while, I probably fell asleep :p Feb 08 06:29:38 lol Feb 08 06:29:50 thy both have "awesome" in the link though ;) Feb 08 06:30:17 is PreCentral doing a live blogging from the event? Feb 08 06:33:29 * PatrickC_Pre is moding his touchstone to work with a BB charger Feb 08 06:33:46 what? :p Feb 08 06:34:37 I lost my palm charger, so I am cramming a BlackBerry charger in it to make it work lol Feb 08 06:34:56 oh, and hay SineOt! Feb 08 06:37:45 PatrickC_Pre, palms are very power hungry Feb 08 06:37:50 IMHO Feb 08 06:38:05 that they are Feb 08 06:38:15 well, yeah, the touchstone is Feb 08 06:38:21 1A Feb 08 06:38:24 especially when they are trying to sync over 3000 emails Feb 08 06:38:31 what's the output on the the BB charger? Feb 08 06:38:58 70 mA Feb 08 06:39:16 700 mA * lol Feb 08 06:39:23 close Feb 08 06:39:27 that might actually work Feb 08 06:39:28 it works Feb 08 06:39:31 drzero, yes im always around Feb 08 06:39:34 most the time ;) Feb 08 06:39:37 its you that never seemt o be around Feb 08 06:39:49 PuffTheMagic, I was out of commission for a while ;) Feb 08 06:39:56 first changed 3 jobs Feb 08 06:40:02 i've got your whole complaint in my pm/backlog still Feb 08 06:40:15 then became self-unemployed (as I like to call it) Feb 08 06:40:18 and now I'm back :) Feb 08 06:40:38 PuffTheMagic, I haven't been able to get it to work with this crappy RTL card I'm using on my Linux box Feb 08 06:41:00 what are the args you pass to mobilehotspotd when you start it? Feb 08 06:41:17 we dont use that Feb 08 06:41:45 as in you don't use mobilehotspotd or you pass the args to it some other way? Feb 08 06:41:57 we dont use mhd Feb 08 06:42:03 ah I see Feb 08 06:42:39 I wish I could see the source then I won't have as many questions - possibly none at all :) Feb 08 06:43:00 the code is public in the repo Feb 08 06:43:02 drzero: what card? RTL8187SE? Feb 08 06:43:06 u can see it if you wanted to Feb 08 06:43:12 SineOt, uno momento Feb 08 06:43:39 i cant do any webos hacking for 10 more days Feb 08 06:43:44 root@locnar:~# lspci | grep Realt Feb 08 06:43:44 04:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20) Feb 08 06:43:51 but then i will fix all thee outstanding freetether bugs Feb 08 06:44:00 PuffTheMagic, I Feb 08 06:44:08 'm not sure this is even a real bug Feb 08 06:44:29 ah. I know the 8187SE is decently supported under Linux (depending) Feb 08 06:44:33 no idea about the 8185 Feb 08 06:44:49 is that still in staging? Feb 08 06:45:05 I have no clue about anything you guys are talking about :) Feb 08 06:45:08 believe so yes Feb 08 06:45:15 I think all the RTL cards are still Feb 08 06:45:36 nite all Feb 08 06:45:47 I know that the 8187SE though is mostly functional (and works with the Pre) as of Ubuntu 10.10 Feb 08 06:45:50 PatrickC_Pre, nighty night Feb 08 06:45:53 other distros barf on it though Feb 08 06:46:12 update your kernel Feb 08 06:46:14 freaking Jolicloud not being able to do WPA/WPA2 comes to mind Feb 08 06:46:14 SineOt, that's my next step upgrade to 10.10 Feb 08 06:46:38 u dont have to use ubuntus kernel Feb 08 06:46:41 I'm on root@locnar:~# cat /etc/issue.net Feb 08 06:46:41 Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS Feb 08 06:47:41 or we can rebuild their "generic" one to at least stay somewhat consistent with the distro Feb 08 06:47:56 too bad my Gentoo box died not too long ago Feb 08 06:48:14 u dont need gentoo to build your own kernel Feb 08 06:48:16 just do it Feb 08 06:48:22 its simple Feb 08 06:48:36 lspci will tell you evernthing u need to know Feb 08 06:48:39 PuffTheMagic, I know man - sierously I've done LFS before :) Feb 08 06:49:01 * wgreenhouse wishes everyone a belated Happy Squeeze Day Feb 08 06:49:33 drzero, you nick seems familar, u ever use zen-sources? Feb 08 06:49:55 as in IRC channel? Feb 08 06:50:02 never mind Feb 08 06:50:08 thats a no Feb 08 06:50:21 heh - you might know me from #freebsd on EFNet back in the day Feb 08 06:50:38 haha no Feb 08 06:50:47 efnet sucks Feb 08 06:50:52 dalnet is where it was at Feb 08 06:51:20 well EFNet was great and free 14 years ago :( Feb 08 06:51:42 sorry it was never great Feb 08 06:51:51 :D Feb 08 06:52:05 PuffTheMagic, well I guess by "great" I meant anarchist :) Feb 08 06:52:38 dalnet was where all the good warez and mp3s were Feb 08 06:52:51 PuffTheMagic, that's where I used to get my pr0n :) Feb 08 06:52:58 XDCC - whoot! Feb 08 06:53:08 its where eveything good on irc was Feb 08 06:53:28 thats how i made my contacts to be a ftp dump site Feb 08 06:53:30 ok - this is gonna sound lame - but quickly clue me in - where is CVS, SVN, whatever repo the code is in? Feb 08 06:54:00 PuffTheMagic, you by chance ever were on virex.com FTP dump? Feb 08 06:54:18 nope Feb 08 06:54:19 http://git.webos-internals.org/ Feb 08 06:54:27 ah git - I likes that Feb 08 06:54:35 k - off to see the Wiki Feb 08 06:55:26 PuffTheMagic, thanks for the clue in and not getting all mad at me for PM-ing you Feb 08 06:55:42 i never needed to go on other dump sites cause I had my onwn, i got hooked up with a rap mp3 irc group and they used my server at school, all i had to do was delete shit every month and I had every album/promo/single etc that ever came out, not to mention they traded shit for moves so i got all that too Feb 08 06:56:17 it was great while it lasted Feb 08 06:56:35 PuffTheMagic, sounds like virex.com when I worked at a hosting in NYC :) Feb 08 08:16:37 morning! Feb 08 08:40:03 hola Feb 08 09:25:38 * ajay is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] Feb 08 09:26:20 * ajay is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 42 secs Feb 08 13:17:09 hey, after seeing the myriad alien dalvik video on engadget, where they claim to run most android apps on a nokia n900, I had to remember the n900 running an unmodified version of need for speed... android apps?hooray! Feb 08 13:21:44 yeah the n900 community is pretty crazy cool Feb 08 15:56:48 guys I'm in mail right and I habe many folders / lables ... non of them show my unread messages ... there a way to setup my email/gmail to display all of trhem as unread ? Feb 08 15:57:01 just the lables I'm after Feb 08 16:01:35 It will only show "unread" from past couple of days or so AFAIK Feb 08 16:30:20 anyone know where the screen layout or bookmarks are saved? Feb 08 16:59:20 yo Feb 08 16:59:22 so yea Feb 08 16:59:41 for some reason email isn't reading my unread messages from gmail Feb 08 16:59:43 any ideas ? Feb 08 17:43:34 hey all Feb 08 17:43:39 need some help with this copy and paste Feb 08 17:43:45 i sent myself and email an rss feed Feb 08 17:44:01 im doing the regular copy and paste but it won't let me higlight in the message Feb 08 17:44:03 any ideas ? Feb 08 17:44:17 hold the shift/"up arrow" key and tap to select Feb 08 17:45:04 thanks Feb 08 17:45:07 did the whole thing Feb 08 17:46:19 the selection thing is kinda... not smart about what it selects Feb 08 17:47:16 always worked for me Feb 08 18:03:38 looking on google Feb 08 18:03:44 looks like the pre only syncs the inbox Feb 08 19:28:04 everybody at work Feb 08 19:28:08 :P Feb 08 19:28:14 work from home you will love to hate it Feb 08 19:28:14 :D Feb 08 19:33:34 * oilsworkn works from work and home Feb 08 19:34:06 too much work-from-home = productivity plummets Feb 08 19:34:08 for me Feb 08 19:35:23 yeah if your work from home office = your relax at home room then bad things happen Feb 08 19:35:54 yeah, it's certainly not been a great combo for my grades.. Feb 08 19:36:32 lol Feb 08 19:36:40 not that im all that productive at work either Feb 08 19:36:51 everyone I know who works from home works from their relax room so productivity like, doesn't exist Feb 08 19:36:55 as visible by my being in #webos-internals :) Feb 08 19:36:59 heh Feb 08 19:38:03 at home, my chair is slowly breaking Feb 08 19:38:13 it won't stay "upright" now Feb 08 19:38:19 its always in "lean-back" mode Feb 08 19:38:34 hard to work when you're leaned back and ready to toss your feet up on the table Feb 08 19:38:49 my chair at work is like that... Feb 08 19:39:06 my chair at work couldn't be more crappy Feb 08 19:39:20 like, the $8 office chair special Feb 08 19:39:29 but I come in two hours before everyone else so leaned back with my feet up is a good way to describe it Feb 08 19:39:33 the one thing I liked when I worked at Disneyland was the chairs Feb 08 19:39:34 it doesn't have a lean feature Feb 08 19:39:43 because they had Aeron or whatevers Feb 08 19:39:51 im tempted to take a picture of its crappyness Feb 08 19:39:56 those "800$ for the base model" chairs Feb 08 19:39:59 sine, u worked at disney? lol Feb 08 19:40:00 but might get weird looks taking a picture of my chair Feb 08 19:40:11 man southern california EVERYONE works for Disney at some point Feb 08 19:40:27 lol Feb 08 19:40:36 were you an imagineer? Feb 08 19:40:44 i lived near disney WORLD and i never knew anyone who worked for them Feb 08 19:41:13 I wish Feb 08 19:41:14 what part is it, tomorrow land or something where the "its a small world after all" song plays 24x7? Feb 08 19:41:27 that technically falls under Fantasyland Feb 08 19:41:28 i bet they rotate personnel in that position frequently Feb 08 19:41:34 I worked in Tomorrowland Feb 08 19:41:46 and no I wish I was an imagineer because fff Feb 08 19:42:01 no dress codes, no bullshit, not public facing! what's not to love Feb 08 19:42:08 im a sad man Feb 08 19:42:18 yeah Feb 08 19:42:21 i still have the screen cover from when i unboxed yesterday Feb 08 19:42:27 it looks fine to me Feb 08 19:42:28 i hate dealing with the few people i have to deal with as it is Feb 08 19:42:28 :D Feb 08 19:42:48 factory screencover on devices = looks ghetto Feb 08 19:42:49 lol Feb 08 19:42:50 i hate having the factory one on there, it makes it harder to scroll for me Feb 08 19:42:57 oilsworkn: haha Feb 08 19:43:08 one day at Buzz we carried 34,000 people Feb 08 19:43:09 like, the guy wearing the coat with the tag still in so he can return it later Feb 08 19:43:13 * PatrickC_Home cant wait for tomorrow Feb 08 19:43:22 PatrickC_Home: go to tomorrowland! Feb 08 19:43:47 * PatrickC_Home ive been there, it was nothing like the next day :) Feb 08 19:44:01 i tried to use Blender Feb 08 19:44:06 didn't like it lol Feb 08 19:44:08 rwhitby is already there Feb 08 19:44:16 he still has to wait though Feb 08 19:44:16 so in each hour we'd have to like, talk with a ton of people Feb 08 19:44:18 rwhitby is perpetually in the future Feb 08 19:44:20 and tell them what to do Feb 08 19:44:20 so is arthur thorton Feb 08 19:44:23 where to go Feb 08 19:44:41 all for 50 cents more than minimum wage! :V Feb 08 19:45:03 and his toilet spins the opposite direction Feb 08 19:45:07 freaky Feb 08 19:45:19 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14110963/pre_taken_with_a_bad_camera.JPG Feb 08 19:45:41 so what we know about the future is: "upside down, and spins backwards" Feb 08 19:45:44 is that a piece of boxing tape on there? Feb 08 19:45:50 lol Feb 08 19:45:54 its the default plastic Feb 08 19:45:56 cover thing Feb 08 19:46:03 wow it looks bad Feb 08 19:46:05 lol Feb 08 19:46:06 default wallpaper? Feb 08 19:46:06 yea Feb 08 19:46:08 it has bubbles Feb 08 19:46:10 how long have you had this thing? Feb 08 19:46:14 thats change #1 Feb 08 19:46:25 yesterday .. no oilsworkn it looks like that cause i haven't taken off the plastic Feb 08 19:46:27 got battery% but not a new wallpaper Feb 08 19:46:28 lol Feb 08 19:46:29 plus a crappy camera Feb 08 19:46:42 oilsworkn i changed the pic from my wife to that background Feb 08 19:46:54 why? Feb 08 19:46:57 dunno Feb 08 19:46:58 the real question is..... Feb 08 19:47:05 peeping eyes Feb 08 19:47:06 do u have angry birds or fog horn? Feb 08 19:47:08 lol Feb 08 19:47:15 peeping eyes? Feb 08 19:47:26 we're all perfectly normal upstanding gentlemen Feb 08 19:47:31 yep Feb 08 19:47:34 well, except PatrickC_Home Feb 08 19:47:43 and halfhalo Feb 08 19:47:46 well..... i try.... :) Feb 08 19:47:47 lol Feb 08 19:47:47 my pre gets very warm Feb 08 19:47:49 and oil Feb 08 19:47:56 psh Feb 08 19:47:57 what is the internal temp? Feb 08 19:48:12 dunno i have govnah installed Feb 08 19:48:25 my pixi got up to like 60 C before Feb 08 19:48:28 41c Feb 08 19:48:38 do u have the patch installed where it says it next to the battery? Feb 08 19:48:39 who doesn't have govnah installed? Feb 08 19:48:40 now 39c Feb 08 19:48:40 not to bad Feb 08 19:48:43 * SineOt has My Little Ponies as his wallpaper right now :T Feb 08 19:49:03 the pixi is at 27 C now Feb 08 19:49:32 PatrickC_Home what profile do you have setup ? Feb 08 19:49:33 2c jump is weird sometimes Feb 08 19:50:05 lemme look Feb 08 19:50:46 palm default Feb 08 19:50:51 :/ Feb 08 19:50:56 i thought i changed that to 800 already lol Feb 08 19:51:05 just got the phone like 4 days ago Feb 08 19:51:09 :/ Feb 08 19:51:13 had to get it replaced Feb 08 19:51:29 how about fixed 806.4? Feb 08 19:51:52 whhhhyyyy would you run it at fixed 806? Feb 08 19:51:52 i need to buy the touchtone Feb 08 19:52:10