**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 09 02:59:57 2011
Feb 09 03:02:06 <SineOt> huh?
Feb 09 03:02:08 <bpadalino> proximity sensor should turn the screen off
Feb 09 03:07:31 <Josef_B> how about the volume issue
Feb 09 03:07:45 <Josef_B> like i would hear the person .. and it sounded like the speaker was on like i was blasting my speakers
Feb 09 03:07:53 <Josef_B> i would turn it down then i could barley hear
Feb 09 03:16:25 <Josef_B> i'll check for patches for volume hacks
Feb 09 04:31:03 <muesli_> timely netsplit that is :-)
Feb 09 04:31:25 <muesli_> so, making myself known once more.... got a sip account, palm pre
Feb 09 04:33:54 <rwhitby> muesli_: see /msg
Feb 09 04:34:40 <muesli_> rwhitby: thanks will let you know how it goes as soon as i'm at home
Feb 09 04:34:46 <rwhitby> ok
Feb 09 04:34:57 <muesli_> anything particular i need to be aware of?
Feb 09 04:35:12 <rwhitby> it's very early alpha
Feb 09 04:36:30 <muesli_> that's to be expected :-) i'm excited tho... let's see how it goes
Feb 09 04:37:33 <rwhitby> Thibaud has been testing it while travelling in a number of countries during development.
Feb 09 04:38:05 <shmungerwos> I'd love to beta test. Got a Pre Plus and Pixi Plus
Feb 09 04:39:59 <rwhitby> shmungerwos: what SIP provider do you use?
Feb 09 04:40:19 <oil> rwhitby: can't you call cross provider?
Feb 09 04:40:36 <rwhitby> oil: no idea, but a beta tester has to have a provider to start with
Feb 09 04:41:14 <oil> true
Feb 09 04:41:49 <destinal> lots of ways to use SIP for free  too
Feb 09 04:42:03 <destinal> nobody ever said you needed to be on the PSTN
Feb 09 04:43:07 * oil found free sip website and signed up
Feb 09 04:43:10 <shmungerwos> um. idk. do i have to signup for SIP service?
Feb 09 04:43:38 <shmungerwos> oil: which site
Feb 09 04:43:58 <oil> uh
Feb 09 04:44:00 <oil> sip2sip.info?
Feb 09 04:44:02 <oil> i think
Feb 09 04:44:04 * oil looks
Feb 09 04:44:13 <rwhitby> destinal: already having SIP set up is a prerequisite for this very early stage of alpha testing.
Feb 09 04:44:24 <rwhitby> we don't want to have to teach alpha testers about sip
Feb 09 04:44:30 <oil> yeah thats it
Feb 09 04:44:52 <shmungerwos> gotcha. ill look around. how long do i have to signup for beta?
Feb 09 04:45:24 <rwhitby> when you can tell us what STUN is, you'll qualify ;)
Feb 09 04:48:19 <RMind> I have a SIP account with ekiga.net,  it's not a dial out account though
Feb 09 04:48:22 <RMind> :)
Feb 09 04:51:57 <shmungerwos> rwhitby: sure thing! btw, im sure you hear this all the time, i'm a big fan of yours. enjoyed ur presentation on webos dev day
Feb 09 04:52:13 <shmungerwos> not that i was there. watched couple of times on youtube
Feb 09 04:52:27 <rwhitby> a couple of times? man, you must be bored!
Feb 09 04:53:05 <oil> he was counting "wabaws"s
Feb 09 04:53:12 <oil> :)
Feb 09 04:53:15 <rwhitby> heh, there was only 1
Feb 09 04:54:01 <rwhitby> oil: apparently wIRC is only hyperlinking up to before the hyphen in a URL like http://bit.ly/foo-0-1-3
Feb 09 04:54:23 <oil> really?
Feb 09 04:54:27 <RMind> yup
Feb 09 04:54:37 <oil> thats weirds
Feb 09 04:54:54 <oil> cant believe thats never came up before
Feb 09 04:54:55 <oil> haha
Feb 09 04:55:36 <oil> i was planning on changing how urls are handled anyways
Feb 09 04:56:29 <oil> http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects
Feb 09 04:56:36 <oil> why is freetether the only one with a description?
Feb 09 04:56:44 <RMind> okay... need to save battery while I close the store here.   ta ta
Feb 09 04:58:31 <Rick__> does anyone know if there is a plan for the new VoIP app to support codecs other than those supported by Linphone?
Feb 09 04:58:49 <Rick__> they seem pretty hefty for use over EVDO/GSM
Feb 09 04:59:08 <shmungerwos> rwhitby: no. first time i skimmed thru it. second time i was overtired. third time i actually paid attention.... :P
Feb 09 04:59:21 <oil> haha
Feb 09 04:59:46 <destinal> Rick__: dunno, but they're probably ok for EVDO honestly.   to get any other codec going obviously someone would have to write it for linphone and then it could be used here.
Feb 09 04:59:52 <rwhitby> shmungerwos: so you paid attention at least twice as much as oil?
Feb 09 05:00:28 <shmungerwos> lol. now u can rest assured at least sum1 paid attention
Feb 09 05:00:34 <destinal> Rick__: hopefully it would be patched upstream so that the rest of the world can benefit from it too :)
Feb 09 05:01:07 <oil> to be fair though, i knew what all was going to be said
Feb 09 05:01:21 <oil> and i could have gone to the other track :)
Feb 09 05:01:31 <oil> but wanted to count webawses
Feb 09 05:01:40 <destinal> Rick__: http://www.linphone.org/eng/blog/linphone-over-3g.html
Feb 09 05:01:45 <shmungerwos> lol!!
Feb 09 05:01:48 <destinal> Rick__: they seem to be having success with it :)
Feb 09 05:02:03 <rwhitby> "Otherwise you will experiment packet losses" ?
Feb 09 05:02:11 <Rick__> ThatI'm not so sure- I've tried several of those via  Groundwire on iOS and they didn't do too well.
Feb 09 05:02:18 <destinal> rwhitby: lol
Feb 09 05:02:30 <Rick__> That link is encouraging though
Feb 09 05:04:11 <Rick__> Groundwire uses G.729 annex a for 3G and it is MUCH better. However it isn't
Feb 09 05:04:17 <Rick__> open source
Feb 09 05:04:19 <Rick__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.729#G.729_Annex_A
Feb 09 05:04:38 <shmungerwos> side note. did sconix create the advanced device menu patch?
Feb 09 05:04:54 <rwhitby> yep
Feb 09 05:05:48 <shmungerwos> is there any reason it shouldn't work on a pixi? i mean i have the same patches i had on my pre so nothing should be conflicting...
Feb 09 05:06:18 <shmungerwos> sorry. it works. the flashlight just doesnt turn on
Feb 09 05:06:32 <SineOt> flashlights don't work on Pixi
Feb 09 05:06:50 <shmungerwos> all patches?
Feb 09 05:07:12 <SineOt> yup, any flashlight patches that use the camera LED don't work on the Pixi
Feb 09 05:08:43 <shmungerwos> tnx.
Feb 09 05:18:19 <shmungerwos> rwhitby: once it goes public will i still need to fully understand SIP?
Feb 09 05:18:48 <rwhitby> probably
Feb 09 05:21:22 <shmungerwos> oh. so i'll keep on reading :)
Feb 09 05:22:40 <shmungerwos> just really overtired... slept 2 hrs of the last 26. its scray. i am awake over 85% of my weekdays
Feb 09 05:24:59 <rwhitby> oil_pre: wanna call me on Linphone to test the pop-up going away?
Feb 09 05:25:36 <oil_pre> I'd have to install it
Feb 09 05:25:52 <oil_pre> and set it up :/
Feb 09 05:26:23 <oil_pre> I'll be back at my dev pre2 with it installed later
Feb 09 05:27:14 <Sketh> Regarding the UI of Linphone, are you guys open to a different background for the dialer? WebOS 2.0 lost the swishy brush strokes effect.
Feb 09 05:27:56 <rwhitby> Sketh: I think we're far from worrying about the dialer background at the moment, but I'm sure oil_pre will work out how to make it themeable :)
Feb 09 05:28:59 <Sketh> Excellent, I'm aware it'd be long down the priority list, but my contributions to this app is already limited as I have little use for a VOIP client, but I'd like to help any way possible.... as always.
Feb 09 05:47:50 <jelatta> hey, how can i test out linphone?
Feb 09 05:48:14 <rwhitby> jelatta: who's your SIP provider?
Feb 09 05:48:29 <jelatta> just signed up for sip2sip
Feb 09 05:53:07 <rwhitby> jelatta: let us know how it goes
Feb 09 05:55:32 <scoutcamper> My Linphone Experience So Far
Feb 09 05:55:42 <scoutcamper> Lag in calling(acceptable)
Feb 09 05:55:51 <scoutcamper> Glitches in outgoing calls
Feb 09 05:56:15 <scoutcamper> If you close app off while trying to call hangs the service requires full retstart
Feb 09 05:56:35 <jelatta> will do
Feb 09 05:57:43 <mamouton> rwhitby I have my gizmo5 linked to my google voice will the app be updated to allow google voice to be setup? I setup gizmo5 and sipgate and both called out I just need to put some credits on account
Feb 09 05:57:58 <wgreenhouse> hmmm.  if you can put a SIP capability on a webOS phone, does that mean that someday I will be able to use my Pre+ with Asterisk, the Linux PBX service?
Feb 09 05:58:13 <scoutcamper> Incomming calls(from pc) Causes it to re-reg
Feb 09 05:58:35 <scoutcamper> and hang
Feb 09 05:59:09 <jelatta> wow this is sick
Feb 09 05:59:13 <jelatta> works great
Feb 09 05:59:35 <scoutcamper> jelatta, are you having a similar experience to what i described?
Feb 09 05:59:35 <jelatta> now to build a pbx and get the pre working as a soft phone over the pstn
Feb 09 06:00:18 <scoutcamper> rwhitby, i assume calling not on speaker is a feature for "the comming months"?
Feb 09 06:01:32 <jelatta> scoutcamper, when i closed the app after dialing the speaker was still on the call, even though the app was closed
Feb 09 06:01:58 <scoutcamper> k
Feb 09 06:02:00 <scoutcamper> bbl
Feb 09 06:02:05 <jelatta> gonna do more testing
Feb 09 06:02:06 <rwhitby> scoutcamper: requires a proxy to the private bus to change media routing
Feb 09 06:02:18 <scoutcamper|away> rwhitby, understood
Feb 09 06:02:30 <rwhitby> wgreenhouse: should be able to connect to Asterisk as it is now
Feb 09 06:02:44 <wgreenhouse> ah nice
Feb 09 06:03:18 * rwhitby bbl
Feb 09 06:28:29 <jelatta> im sure this is known but my display is also not turning off when held to my face
Feb 09 06:44:34 <rwhitby> jelatta_away: yes, that is known
Feb 09 06:51:57 <mobeatie> whats this about linphone and sip on webos? a little behind on my twitter feed
Feb 09 06:52:11 <rwhitby> early alpha test
Feb 09 06:52:12 <destinal> mobeatie: there's a linphone port and SIP on webos :)
Feb 09 06:52:42 <mobeatie> i would love to help test
Feb 09 06:53:30 <rwhitby> who is your sip provider?
Feb 09 06:54:22 <mobeatie> sip2sip
Feb 09 06:54:45 <rwhitby> mobeatie: see /msg and report feedback here
Feb 09 06:55:57 <mobeatie> does this require wifi?
Feb 09 07:04:16 <rwhitby> well, it probably does not *require* wifi, but you do need a good data connection of some sort
Feb 09 07:05:00 * rwhitby bbl
Feb 09 07:07:05 <mobeatie> just asking because i live in a "4g" area and use a "certain brand" of "4g" on a hotspot
Feb 09 07:07:29 <mobeatie> but if it just uses regular old data
Feb 09 07:14:08 <mobeatie> thanks for keeping from ever wanting and eye|droid!!!
Feb 09 07:44:47 <ajay_> anyone here drivin up to the WOR event tmrw morn?
Feb 09 07:53:17 <noradtux_wirc> morning
Feb 09 07:53:18 <ajay_> VoIP?  Wait someone's making a VoIP client ? But I just cancelled my VoIP account! ;^)
Feb 09 07:53:38 <ajay_> seriously though -- VERY cool.  I've been thinking of looking at what was portable, but a native app.. such a better idea!
Feb 09 07:56:04 <noradtux_wirc> rwhitby-pre: I heard linphone-alpha?
Feb 09 07:56:33 <noradtux_wirc> rwhitby-pre: if you need testers, here is one :-)
Feb 09 07:57:22 <ajay_> me too, i can still test on SIP..
Feb 09 07:58:04 <ajay_> I was just telling my friend the other day, if he doesn't want to pay for a cell phone, just get a mifi and use the skype he's already paying for on the android phone he's already paid for..
Feb 09 07:59:22 <ajay_> I was about to say it'd be fun to test skype like that on webOS, but damnit if that's not going to be possible.. *shakes fist at verizon* (At least anytime soon)
Feb 09 08:04:47 <rwhitby-pre> I just started a thread on PC for alpha testers
Feb 09 08:05:16 * oil calls rwhitby :)
Feb 09 08:05:44 <rwhitby-pre> oil: don't have either test device on me
Feb 09 08:05:48 <oil> :/
Feb 09 08:07:46 <ajay_> is it based on linphone.org's I assume?
Feb 09 08:07:51 <oil> lol @ post in comment to linphone story, "webOS Internals fails to fail."
Feb 09 08:08:10 <rwhitby-pre> fails to fail - heh
Feb 09 08:08:33 <rwhitby-pre> everyone call oil - his number is in the screenshot
Feb 09 08:08:38 <oil> lol
Feb 09 08:08:50 <oil> im runnin it right now
Feb 09 08:08:53 <rwhitby-pre> ajay_: yes
Feb 09 08:08:59 <ajay_> haha
Feb 09 08:09:18 <ajay_> good thing this chat is being archived
Feb 09 08:10:09 <rwhitby-pre> heh, it's a throwaway test number
Feb 09 08:10:19 <rwhitby-pre> mine is +2 on that one
Feb 09 08:10:22 <ajay_> hm, there's no 'file' cmd on webOS? I swear i spent my whole life ipkg-opt install'ing.. :)
Feb 09 08:10:32 <ajay_> damn.. :)
Feb 09 08:10:45 <ajay_> this reminds me of my dream of setting up a SIP gateway though.. so exciting..
Feb 09 08:10:53 <ajay_> too bad twilio doesn't support SIP (yet?)
Feb 09 08:12:02 <ajay_> rwhitby-pre: if it's based on that one, does it mean it's also a hybrid app? (maybe just being VoIP requires that actually?)
Feb 09 08:12:12 <oil> ajay_: preware can install ipks off the pre
Feb 09 08:12:24 <oil> yeah, its got a c service
Feb 09 08:12:45 <rwhitby-pre> yeah, C service like Preware
Feb 09 08:12:56 <oil> wouldnt really work as a plugin
Feb 09 08:13:01 <rwhitby-pre> so it works on 1.4+
Feb 09 08:13:13 <ajay_> oil: ? oh, i meant to install the 'file' command :)
Feb 09 08:13:14 <oil> since it needs to be running in background to receive calls
Feb 09 08:13:26 <oil> oh
Feb 09 08:13:26 <rwhitby-pre> yeah, you want the daemon running in the background for this one
Feb 09 08:13:39 <ajay_> in background? that reminds me of the other app i want in webOS -- Advanced Task Killer!
Feb 09 08:14:07 <oil> jstop?
Feb 09 08:14:30 <rwhitby-pre> like jstop?
Feb 09 08:14:44 <ajay_> jstop?
Feb 09 08:14:53 <oil> but jstop wont kill services
Feb 09 08:15:04 <ajay_> oh
Feb 09 08:15:17 <rwhitby-pre> services are too cool to be killed
Feb 09 08:15:31 <ajay_> am i mistaken, or are background services not visible in ps?
Feb 09 08:15:53 <oil> they should be, they're just binaries running listening to the bus
Feb 09 08:15:57 <ajay_> oh, and speaking of running in the background, don't a lot of apps do that?
Feb 09 08:16:14 <oil> only some apps run in the background all the time
Feb 09 08:16:17 <rwhitby-pre> lots of the ones I write do
Feb 09 08:16:20 <oil> dialer, messaging, email
Feb 09 08:16:46 <rwhitby-pre> but they just wait in select() for a message from mojo
Feb 09 08:16:49 <oil> rwhitby-pre: but none of those do anything when the app isnt open
Feb 09 08:16:50 <oil> yeah
Feb 09 08:17:08 <ajay_> it seems like drPodder can start up on its own and update its feeds, no?
Feb 09 08:17:17 <oil> thats different
Feb 09 08:17:24 <oil> thats using an alarm to wake up the app in intervals
Feb 09 08:17:32 <oil> but its not running in the background the whole time
Feb 09 08:17:33 <ajay_> like, a cron job?
Feb 09 08:17:37 <oil> yeah
Feb 09 08:17:39 <ajay_> oh
Feb 09 08:17:48 <ajay_> interesting..
Feb 09 08:18:09 <oil> modeswitcher i think has a patch to start at launch and run headless in the background
Feb 09 08:18:18 <oil> linphone wiill need the same thing
Feb 09 08:18:34 <oil> so the app is already loaded and waiting to pop the incoming call dialog
Feb 09 08:18:55 <rwhitby-pre> hmm - true
Feb 09 08:19:11 <oil> so there is no TMC chance when you get a call and it tries to spawn the app
Feb 09 08:19:18 <oil> since its already running
Feb 09 08:19:21 <rwhitby-pre> ajay_: got it working yet?
Feb 09 08:19:23 <oil> like the dialer
Feb 09 08:20:34 <ajay_> rwhitby-pre: just installed, looking for my username now..
Feb 09 08:21:03 <ajay_> having trouble logging into gizmo.. *shakes fist at google*
Feb 09 08:21:16 * rwhitby-pre notes that he has not made a successful audio call yet ...
Feb 09 08:21:27 <oil> when we connected that one time i got some weird noises
Feb 09 08:21:29 <oil> not a voice
Feb 09 08:22:05 <rwhitby-pre> Thibaud reckons he's been using it in different countries over the past weeks
Feb 09 08:22:39 <rwhitby-pre> so I'll try from home later
Feb 09 08:23:59 <ajay_> REG_PENDING.. hope i put the settings in right :)
Feb 09 08:24:18 <oil> sounds like its waiting for a response?
Feb 09 08:24:21 <oil> like settings are bad?
Feb 09 08:24:51 <ajay_> maybe..
Feb 09 08:24:51 <rwhitby-pre> I can get REG_OK reliably
Feb 09 08:25:18 <rwhitby-pre> Lumberjack messages and service
Feb 09 08:26:36 <ajay_> i wasn't sure what to put in for domain and proxy..
Feb 09 08:27:24 <oil> http://victorcab.blogspot.com/2008/07/gizmo-sip-setup.html
Feb 09 08:27:27 <oil> google :)
Feb 09 08:27:34 <oil> Domain: proxy01.sipphone.com
Feb 09 08:28:16 <oil> a couple other results confirm it
Feb 09 08:28:26 <ajay_> oil: oh that's a more informative page than what i got off gizmo.. :)
Feb 09 08:28:35 <ajay_> okay so if i close and restart it should stop trying to connect i assume?
Feb 09 08:28:51 <oil> just change prefs it will reconnect?
Feb 09 08:29:27 <oil> yeah, i changed my username and it went to pending, changed it back and now its OK
Feb 09 08:29:57 <rwhitby-pre> so now you can call oil
Feb 09 08:30:02 <ajay_> oh my
Feb 09 08:30:06 <oil> yeah, my numbers in the screenshot
Feb 09 08:30:16 <rwhitby-pre> but I don't know how to do cross-provider
Feb 09 08:30:41 <oil> hm
Feb 09 08:30:56 * oil would think you just call the number?
Feb 09 08:31:04 <oil> and your provider passes it to other providers?
Feb 09 08:31:10 <ajay_> i dont hear nothin
Feb 09 08:31:46 <ajay_> oil: did you see anything?
Feb 09 08:31:49 <oil> nope
Feb 09 08:32:06 <ajay_> i would think that you need to pass the whole address
Feb 09 08:32:22 <oil> but you cant put an @ in there
Feb 09 08:32:30 <ajay_> my #@@proxy
Feb 09 08:32:31 <ajay_> 01.sipphone.com
Feb 09 08:33:24 <oil> yeah, thats what google says
Feb 09 08:33:30 <oil> interface needs an @ button :)
Feb 09 08:34:31 <ajay_> hmm i don't see an @ in the other screenshots..
Feb 09 08:35:12 <ajay_> i wonder if there's a broker of some sorts that can tell you what provider "owns" what "number"
Feb 09 08:35:47 <oil> ajay_: whats your number?
Feb 09 08:36:27 <oil> oh, thats new
Feb 09 08:36:37 <oil> call error: need to confirm registration
Feb 09 08:37:27 <oil> i think the service crashed
Feb 09 08:37:45 <ajay_> Adora's up late! at least it's not just me then.. :)
Feb 09 08:38:00 <ajay_> oil: cool, i guess i've served my job then ! :)
Feb 09 08:38:10 <oil> well, thats for others to fix, im just a tester :)
Feb 09 08:38:48 <rwhitby-pre> yeah, just the number is not enough
Feb 09 08:38:50 <oil> only submitted 1 line of code, closing the incomming call popup haha
Feb 09 08:39:13 <rwhitby-pre> if you have dial-out you can try dialing a landline
Feb 09 08:39:37 <oil> crappy free account has none im sure
Feb 09 08:40:41 <ajay_> do you already have access to multiple providers i assume?
Feb 09 08:40:56 * oil made this account to test
Feb 09 08:41:22 <ajay_> oil: too bad i didn't have this yesterday, maybe i coulda contributed a line of code and told people i worked on linphone at the dev event, heh..
Feb 09 08:41:36 <oil> haha
Feb 09 08:41:38 <ajay_> are all of palm's on-phone apps open source?
Feb 09 08:41:42 <oil> you're there?
Feb 09 08:41:49 <ajay_> will be
Feb 09 08:41:52 <rwhitby-pre> nope
Feb 09 08:41:53 <oil> ajay_: i dont think any of them are
Feb 09 08:42:01 <ajay_> that's bogus-sauce
Feb 09 08:42:03 <rwhitby-pre> specific eula
Feb 09 08:42:11 <oil> yeah, you can look at it and use it for apps released in the catalog
Feb 09 08:42:13 <oil> or something like that
Feb 09 08:42:15 <ajay_> it'd be rad if voogle, this, etc, could borrow functionality from the main phone app..
Feb 09 08:42:18 <rwhitby-pre> you can use the code for webos apps
Feb 09 08:42:31 <ajay_> oh! perfect then
Feb 09 08:42:34 <oil> rwhitby-pre: we ever get it in writing that it includes preware?
Feb 09 08:42:47 <oil> i know you were working on that or something
Feb 09 08:42:48 <ajay_> oh maybe not perfect then.. ;^)
Feb 09 08:42:49 <rwhitby-pre> not yet
Feb 09 08:42:50 <oil> for betterlistselector
Feb 09 08:43:12 <rwhitby-pre> yeah, it's with Lisa and Chuq
Feb 09 08:43:18 <oil> hey Adora! :)
Feb 09 08:43:21 <ajay_> like speakerphone, select from contacts, diallist, etc
Feb 09 08:43:48 <oil> ajay_: i agree that following what people already know is a good thing
Feb 09 08:45:28 <Adora> a lot of our legalese was written before palm realized the homebrew community was gonna be so damn awesome
Feb 09 08:46:05 <oil> haha
Feb 09 08:46:14 <Adora> it's back on our radar to update those documents, but....not quite top priority yet  =]
Feb 09 08:46:20 <ajay_> is legalese changing harder with HP?
Feb 09 08:46:39 <Adora> not that I'm aware
Feb 09 08:46:46 <rwhitby-pre> yeah, I've been waiting till Friday to start hassling people about stuff
Feb 09 08:47:11 <rwhitby-pre> HP has a good open source group and governance
Feb 09 08:47:28 <rwhitby-pre> linuxq here yet?
Feb 09 08:47:31 <ajay_> hmm..
Feb 09 08:47:41 <wgreenhouse> rwhitby-pre: yeah, that's my sense as well
Feb 09 08:47:46 <wgreenhouse> these are the people who built the Itsy
Feb 09 08:47:54 <Adora> rwhitby-pre: we've got a lot of key folks leaving for MWC on Feb 10, so your harassing may not get noticed right away
Feb 09 08:48:03 <ajay_> they built a spider? from the children's song? damn
Feb 09 08:48:23 <rwhitby-pre> Adora: true, I'll wait till after that
Feb 09 08:48:26 <ajay_> oh wow, event-to-event.. Palm's on a world tour
Feb 09 08:48:34 <wgreenhouse> http://www.hpl.hp.com/downloads/crl/itsy/ ajay_
Feb 09 08:48:39 <ajay_> hehe
Feb 09 08:48:42 <rwhitby-pre> no hurry unless HP starts suing my ass ...
Feb 09 08:48:44 <wgreenhouse> a handheld device for homebrew enthusiasts
Feb 09 08:49:10 <wgreenhouse> HP is pretty interested in things Linux
Feb 09 08:49:15 <ajay_> wgreenhouse: I've heard of it before, but thought my joke had some quality.. :)
Feb 09 08:49:29 <wgreenhouse> ajay_: it did :)
Feb 09 08:49:36 <wgreenhouse> wanted to give you a look if you hadn't heard ofit
Feb 09 08:49:56 <Adora> rwhitby-pre:  if that ever happens, I will make someone's life hell until they knock it off
Feb 09 08:50:19 <oil> lol
Feb 09 08:50:30 <ajay_> i thought lawyers are already in hell?
Feb 09 08:50:39 <Adora> ajay_:  point
Feb 09 08:50:39 <wgreenhouse> I'm in law school, and I agree
Feb 09 08:50:40 * ajay_ ducks
Feb 09 08:50:41 <oil> no, thats where they escaped from
Feb 09 08:50:42 <rwhitby-pre> Adora: it's good to know you've got my back. thanks, mate.
Feb 09 08:51:15 <wgreenhouse> I think the homebrew community is one of the main selling points for Palm and webOS.  it certainly was for me
Feb 09 08:51:27 <wgreenhouse> it's easier to...do things...than with most Android devices
Feb 09 08:51:52 <Adora> rwhitby-pre:  well I know you've got OUR back.  Goes both ways....mate.  =]
Feb 09 08:52:11 <Adora> AWWWW OK NOW EVERYBODY HUG
Feb 09 08:52:16 <ajay_> haha
Feb 09 08:52:57 * rwhitby-pre lingers a little too long on the hug with Adora ...
Feb 09 08:53:26 * ajay_ says creepy..
Feb 09 08:53:49 <ajay_> j/k :)
Feb 09 08:54:22 <ajay_> hm, there goes linuxq, i wonder..
Feb 09 08:54:34 <ajay_> oh in that case, anybody else have a gizmo account in here?
Feb 09 08:54:47 <rwhitby-pre> oh, it was meant to be creepy - I'm yet to ruffle Adora's tough facade ;)
Feb 09 08:55:09 <ajay_> is that how you spell that.. i see..
Feb 09 08:55:51 <Adora> I have a tough facade?
Feb 09 08:56:19 <rwhitby-pre> nothing fazes you
Feb 09 08:56:31 <rwhitby-pre> yet you have a soft centre :)
Feb 09 08:56:41 <Adora> oh, yeah.....that's totally a facade
Feb 09 08:56:56 <Adora> I am fazed on almost an hourly basis
Feb 09 08:57:41 <rwhitby-pre> especially when Aussies hug too long, hey?
Feb 09 08:57:44 * Adora fazed
Feb 09 08:57:45 <Adora> SEE!
Feb 09 08:57:52 <Adora> there it goes again!
Feb 09 08:57:58 * destinal wishes he was in San Francisco where it's 50F out instead of zero degrees as in Southern Colorado tonight.
Feb 09 08:58:04 <ajay_> Adora: can i ask you a quick Palm-y q?
Feb 09 08:58:09 <ajay_> destinal: c'mon down!
Feb 09 08:58:14 <Adora> ajay_:  hit me
Feb 09 08:58:30 <rwhitby-pre> Adora: you guys still at the pub?
Feb 09 08:58:41 <destinal> ajay_: I wish.  I have an invite to the Palm dev event today, but my training class was cancelled so my official reason for being in town evaporated.
Feb 09 08:58:42 <Adora> just don't try to hug me, rwhitby-pre might start getting territorial
Feb 09 08:58:44 <ajay_> Adora: just wondering if anyone coming to the press event had to pre-RSVP or if they can just show up?
Feb 09 08:59:03 <ajay_> destinal: burn.. too bad they're checkin ids hella strict at the door!
Feb 09 08:59:27 <Adora> press event is invite only for like, legit press and analyst people
Feb 09 08:59:44 <Adora> and a very, very small number of devs
Feb 09 09:00:01 <ajay_> else you could give it to someone else.. it's weird they said there would be a waitlist at first, but then none..
Feb 09 09:00:06 <Adora> and both events are very, very much at capacity  =]
Feb 09 09:00:26 <ajay_> oh I don't think there should ever be a capacity.. if the whole world wants to come, i say, welcome to Palm! :)
Feb 09 09:00:39 <destinal> ajay_: sadly buildings exist in physical space
Feb 09 09:00:51 <destinal> and you can only fit so many people into one
Feb 09 09:00:54 * oil prefers the internets for just such reason
Feb 09 09:00:54 <Adora> I agree, but the san francisco fire marshal thinks otherwise
Feb 09 09:00:54 <ajay_> destinal: um, that's not your best argument :)
Feb 09 09:01:31 <Adora> but the event will be recorded and posted very soon afterwards
Feb 09 09:01:35 <Adora> within hours, we're told
Feb 09 09:01:49 <destinal> Adora: there's this thing, I know you know about it, they call it ustream.tv...
Feb 09 09:01:51 <oil> the real question is
Feb 09 09:01:53 <ajay_> Adora: but capacity is 3,000, no?
Feb 09 09:01:53 <oil> will the wifi work
Feb 09 09:01:57 <oil> haha
Feb 09 09:02:19 <ajay_> oil: I can stand outside with my hotspot.. maybe i can sell access to it actually.. :)
Feb 09 09:02:20 <Adora> ajay_:  oh dear no, less than 500
Feb 09 09:02:26 <destinal> Adora: seriously why no livestreaming love?
Feb 09 09:02:45 <ajay_> Adora: on the herbst pavillion page it said 3,000 max cap, 800 at banquet-style
Feb 09 09:02:58 <destinal> It's like 2011, where is the streaming video and where is my flying car
Feb 09 09:03:00 <Adora> destinal:  I tried so hard, but the higher ups value crystal clear quality more than realtime
Feb 09 09:03:19 <ajay_> oh but the adjoining cowell theater is 437-seat.. yeah that would make more sense
Feb 09 09:03:21 <oil> destinal: there is laws against flying your car while watching livestreams
Feb 09 09:03:25 <oil> they'll pull you over
Feb 09 09:03:41 <destinal> lol
Feb 09 09:03:50 <ajay_> the acoustics aren't so hot in herbst, from my last conference there..
Feb 09 09:03:52 <D2__> Hello
Feb 09 09:03:59 <D2__> Was anyone looking for the SIP client Alpha Testers?
Feb 09 09:04:07 <rwhitby-pre> PR control and livestream are not compatible
Feb 09 09:04:29 <ajay_> D2__: do you have gizmo?
Feb 09 09:04:32 <rwhitby-pre> D2__: what provider are you using?
Feb 09 09:04:33 <ajay_> :)
Feb 09 09:04:35 <ajay_> haha
Feb 09 09:04:40 <ajay_> i've ruined it for everyone
Feb 09 09:04:41 <oil> how would they even pull over a flying car
Feb 09 09:04:45 <oil> they would ground you?
Feb 09 09:04:49 <oil> couldn't you just fly away?
Feb 09 09:04:55 <ajay_> oh me oh my
Feb 09 09:04:57 <Adora> oil:  magnets
Feb 09 09:04:58 <destinal> rwhitby-pre: I doubt PR control exists as more than a dream.  given smartphone cameras which I figure a few people there may have ;)  and liveblogging
Feb 09 09:04:58 <oil> lol
Feb 09 09:05:04 <oil> or is it like 5th element
Feb 09 09:05:06 <oil> where they hover
Feb 09 09:05:08 <ajay_> better get to bed .. wanted to hit the WOR event at 9a but dunno if that'll happen now.. :)
Feb 09 09:05:25 <wgreenhouse> oil: software takeover
Feb 09 09:05:30 <oil> ah
Feb 09 09:05:36 <wgreenhouse> flying cars would have rootkits for the cops
Feb 09 09:05:36 <rwhitby-pre> destinal: it's like the illusion of security
Feb 09 09:05:37 <Adora> photos and liveblogging totally ok, I really think the big concern is quality
Feb 09 09:05:46 <oil> well, the cop car runs iCar, and my car runs linux
Feb 09 09:06:05 <wgreenhouse> oil: the govt. would definitely find a way to ban FLOSS cars :)
Feb 09 09:06:09 <oil> lol
Feb 09 09:07:11 <destinal> oil: so you would multitask circles around the cop while he's stuck in only one mode at a time? :)
Feb 09 09:07:23 <oil> yeah, he has to turn the sirens off to turn
Feb 09 09:07:25 <rwhitby-pre> cop cars will have steampunk harpoons
Feb 09 09:07:34 <oil> oh, dangerous
Feb 09 09:07:34 <Adora> oil:  HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
Feb 09 09:07:37 * ajay_ hates "coming months"
Feb 09 09:07:56 <ajay_> now that i say that, it even SOUNDS dirty
Feb 09 09:07:58 <wgreenhouse> cop airship
Feb 09 09:08:12 <rwhitby-pre> I think 'coming months' might now be 'coming hours'
Feb 09 09:08:36 <ajay_> rwhitby-pre: i would be quite surprised if i could make a skype call in coming hours
Feb 09 09:08:57 <ajay_> quite
Feb 09 09:09:23 <rwhitby-pre> but you may find out a solid date when you will be able to
Feb 09 09:09:50 <rwhitby-pre> or never if you're not on verizon I presume
Feb 09 09:09:59 <ajay_> rwhitby-pre: umm, if that was comforting, it would only be marginal, lo siento!
Feb 09 09:10:19 <oil> carrier exclusive stuff :(
Feb 09 09:10:25 <ajay_> but i am on vz, so that's what i was implying.. :)
Feb 09 09:11:17 <ajay_> (webOS 2, but more importantly, that pre2.. i know, i may not want a pre2 after t-9 hours, but .. i think i will.. at least for a few months..)
Feb 09 09:11:47 <ajay_> i don't know why, but lately not having a power button has _really_ been bugging the sh*t out of me, i dunno how it got so bad for me all of a sudden.. ;^)
Feb 09 09:14:35 <rwhitby-pre> D2__: so it works?
Feb 09 09:14:45 <ajay_> Adora: k, then see you at the dev event ! (I presume?)
Feb 09 09:15:10 <Adora> ajay_:  yep yep!
Feb 09 09:15:12 <ajay_> i'll try to get my cousin's gizmo creds so i can test calling myself or something.. (is that creepy? dunno :)
Feb 09 09:15:27 <ajay_> later folks!
Feb 09 09:15:58 * ajay_ swears his battery life has gotten _way_ worse lately.. hrmm..
Feb 09 09:18:27 <rwhitby-pre> oil: D2__ got it to work first go, with good audio quality and no stutter.
Feb 09 09:19:46 <oil> to you, over sip2sip?
Feb 09 09:20:08 <rwhitby-pre> no, his own test
Feb 09 09:20:13 <oil> oh
Feb 09 09:20:42 <D2__> Outbound was fine
Feb 09 09:20:47 <D2__> Inbound no response on phone
Feb 09 09:21:29 * oil goes to sleep :)
Feb 09 09:21:50 <rwhitby-pre> do you need to set the proxy?
Feb 09 09:23:04 <D2__> No
Feb 09 09:23:08 <RagingMind> okay, I"m home now and can figure out my sip password...
Feb 09 09:23:08 <D2__> Left Proxy alone
Feb 09 09:23:27 <D2__> Just tried second call, instantly connected and clear and fine
Feb 09 09:23:31 <D2__> though volume is a bit low
Feb 09 09:24:02 <rwhitby-pre> D2__: not even a ring?
Feb 09 09:24:11 <D2__> Nope
Feb 09 09:24:16 <D2__> Not even a ring
Feb 09 09:24:39 <D2__> My inbound works by calling a regular number which then routes it to the VOIP
Feb 09 09:24:43 <D2__> its kind of like a local Google Voice service
Feb 09 09:27:11 <RagingMind> is there a way to dial a not-number?
Feb 09 09:27:39 <rwhitby-pre> not at the moment
Feb 09 09:27:55 <RagingMind> okay... I won't be able to test then
Feb 09 09:28:25 <RagingMind> I have a sip account, but it's just an internet registrar thingy... I can't dial real phone numbers with it
Feb 09 09:29:12 <RagingMind> I can only dial other people that have blah@moof.wtf type addresses
Feb 09 09:30:02 <D2__> How long has this linphone thing been in development for?
Feb 09 09:30:04 <destinal> RagingMind: yeah, it's kind of sad really how instead of changing the telephony network VOIP has been mostly subsumed into PSTN access
Feb 09 09:30:42 <destinal> phone numbers are so last century, yet we seem to be stuck with them
Feb 09 09:31:00 <RagingMind> in LTE everything is data... but I'm afraid to look into how actual voice calls are handled
Feb 09 09:31:36 <destinal> D2__: you'd have to ask the main linphone project developers, probably quite a while.  this is just the webos port of it
Feb 09 09:32:25 <wgreenhouse> imo, the phone system should just make a clean break with phone numbers someday, and use ipv6 addresses as phone numbers :)
Feb 09 09:32:25 <RagingMind> there was someone else in here recently that had a VoIP project... with a different name
Feb 09 09:33:14 <destinal> wgreenhouse: what about using something like email addresses?
Feb 09 09:33:23 <destinal> a bit easier to remember .. ;)
Feb 09 09:35:16 <D2__> ipv6 is a horror to remember
Feb 09 09:37:37 <wgreenhouse> destinal: hmm.
Feb 09 09:39:32 <rwhitby-pre> movox is the other project
Feb 09 09:41:17 <rwhitby-pre> movox is based on sjphone I think
Feb 09 09:44:33 * rwhitby-pre bbl
Feb 09 09:52:34 <wgreenhouse> destinal: I was attracted to ipv6 idea because it seems more portable than name@domain.  today, in many countries, people can keep their phone numbers from one provider to another
Feb 09 09:52:46 <wgreenhouse> that would be hard to do if it were bound to some domain, like wgreenhouse@att.net or something
Feb 09 11:25:56 <blablubb> Hi, I really would like to test the SIP Client. How can I get it?
Feb 09 11:27:21 <kbywal> Hi everyone. I am quite new here. I am intersted in alpha testing of the Linphone. I am posting from Pre2 and would like to use my old Pre to test Linphone (I have a SIP account at iptel.org
Feb 09 12:34:17 <Goyena> Howy, all. I'm here abt Linphone's alpha.
Feb 09 12:36:02 <Goyena> From the PC thread, I saw Thibaud (t?) is dev. I'm on SFR on a Pre+ (thus 1.4.5) in France. Is Thibaud French?
Feb 09 12:37:09 <Goyena> SFR provides a SIP account for holders of a triple play in France. I've used mine on a PC, Linux netbook and a Nintendo DS. (the latter with no success).
Feb 09 12:38:45 <Goyena> I'd be willing to participate in the alpha testing. DM me on the P|C forum if you the above qualifies.
Feb 09 13:16:03 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Feb 09 13:19:19 <beantastic> hello I am interested in doing some testing on Linphone for webos.
Feb 09 13:22:24 <lmentop> Are alpha testers still being taken for Linphone? If so I'm interested
Feb 09 13:25:51 <beantastic> That makes two of us lmentop.
Feb 09 13:49:54 <cryptk> hrm... I think rwhitby is working with linphone... but he is likely asleep right about now
Feb 09 13:50:39 <cryptk> it is like 1AM there I think...
Feb 09 13:51:00 <cryptk> good times to catch him are in the late afternoon (for US people, not sure where you guys are all at)
Feb 09 13:53:28 <beantastic> Yeah I figured that was probably the case but you never know somtimes people are on IRC at all hours of the night.
Feb 09 13:54:35 <cryptk> hehe, rwhitby has a good day-job... he needs his sleep
Feb 09 13:55:38 <beantastic> I will have to try to catch him later.  I was excited to get linphone seutp
Feb 09 13:56:24 <lmentop> i need a day job
Feb 09 14:09:48 <beantastic> I have a day job... not all it is cracked up tp be.
Feb 09 14:11:04 <shmungerwos> i cant install any of the battery percentage patches on my pixi. do all battery icon patches not work on pixis (similar to flashlight)?
Feb 09 14:12:57 <beantastic> I might be wrong on this but I do not think that battery percentage patches are compatible.
Feb 09 14:48:00 <Thibaud> hi all
Feb 09 14:52:17 <Thibaud> Goyena: yes, french indeed. And this is "Thibaud" with a "d", one of the 3 possible endings (t, lt & d). Did not choose on day 1, but happy with that anyhow! ;-)
Feb 09 14:53:04 <swisstomcat> hi thibaud
Feb 09 14:53:10 <swisstomcat> you're the linphone guy?
Feb 09 14:53:54 <Thibaud> yep
Feb 09 14:53:59 <swisstomcat> cool stuff
Feb 09 14:54:10 <swisstomcat> from what i saw
Feb 09 14:54:20 <swisstomcat> i lack a sip-account to test it
Feb 09 14:55:10 <Thibaud> thanks, appreciated. Kudos to the Linphone people & WOI people too.
Feb 09 14:56:22 <swisstomcat> i can offer to translate it to german
Feb 09 14:57:57 <Thibaud> swisstomcat: could try sip2sip (https://mdns.sipthor.net/register_sip_account.phtml)
Feb 09 14:59:30 <Thibaud> swisstomcat: thanks for the offer, a bit early at alpha-stage though. Will keep your offer in mind
Feb 09 15:07:22 <blablubb> Hi Thibaud: are still slots for alphatesters for the sip client? If so I would like to join.
Feb 09 15:08:10 <lmentop> As would I
Feb 09 15:13:34 <Thibaud> blablubb, lmentop: I guess yes, but I leave that to rwhitby: he's the one doing & sending the IPK for now. May I ask you to wait until he's back?
Feb 09 15:13:57 <blablubb> of course
Feb 09 15:14:19 <lmentop> Thibaud: no problem. thanks!
Feb 09 15:19:23 <Cache1969> Hello webos world
Feb 09 15:22:54 <Cache1969> thx to all working on Linphone for webos
Feb 09 15:23:18 <Cache1969> been wanting sip client since june 09
Feb 09 15:26:33 <Thibaud> Cache1969: I can understand, this is why I chose the hard way! ;-)
Feb 09 15:29:56 <Cache1969> I'd gladly put time into testing if more help is needed
Feb 09 15:31:33 <Thibaud> Cache1969: stay tuned until Rod is back then...
Feb 09 15:31:58 <Cache1969> thx m8
Feb 09 15:53:28 <lmentop> it's anpit tjat
Feb 09 15:53:49 <lmentop> sorry
Feb 09 16:26:05 <Josef_B> whats palms website or link to the event
Feb 09 16:26:08 <Josef_B> im on there site right now
Feb 09 16:26:30 <Josef_B> ok got it
Feb 09 16:26:32 <Josef_B> its in 3 hours
Feb 09 16:36:10 <contradude> Good morning, everyone!
Feb 09 16:39:58 <xaiki> rwhitby: hey, I'm quite excited about your linphone work, been checking out the git tree, and runing on my phone... but as much as I do know about C, the rest of the palm stack stays a mystery to me. anyway, I wasn't able to get any registration/call going through, and don't see the service reacting (-S -d 128).
Feb 09 16:41:08 <Thibaud> good morning contratdude
Feb 09 16:41:57 <contradude> Thank you :-)
Feb 09 16:42:22 <RagingMind> there's another SIP app that someone in here had in the works, I wish I could remember the name of it
Feb 09 16:43:10 <RagingMind> oh!  found it!  http://www.openmobl.com/movox/
Feb 09 16:43:14 <Cache1969> bye for now
Feb 09 16:43:21 <contradude> actually, not to jump at you or anything, I use a sip service on my desktop quite a bit (real sip, not skype or anything like that). I also don't mind testing alpha quality software
Feb 09 16:43:48 <contradude> is linphone far enough along that it's an ipkg yet or do I need to compile it?
Feb 09 16:45:34 <Thibaud> xaiki: did you "palm-package/palm-install" from the git repo? If so, you'd better ask for the IPK rod packaged and distributes on this channel. Stay tuned until he's back...
Feb 09 16:46:12 <Josef_B> any good homebrew patches/apps for battery calbration .. i downloaded drbattery but my phone has to die more than it is .. its at 20% any personal recommendations that you have seen improvment with a certing app ?
Feb 09 16:47:22 <contradude> Thibaud: I think you just answered my question :-)
Feb 09 16:47:31 <contradude> I guess I'll wait for rod to come back
Feb 09 16:47:40 <Thibaud> RagingMind: hit! movox not yet working, though.
Feb 09 16:48:22 <contradude> the most I've compiled was zsnes for fedora a couple of years back
Feb 09 16:50:50 <xaiki> Thibaud: hum that's what I thought
Feb 09 16:50:58 <xaiki> I didn't see a rebuild of the C code,
Feb 09 16:51:05 <Thibaud> contratdude: unless you are really fluent in WIDK, and even so, you'll probably want the preware-ready IPK... ;)
Feb 09 16:53:00 <Thibaud> xaiki: remember we are alpha right now, so lot of stuff to clean-up... :)
Feb 09 16:54:34 <xaiki> Thibaud: yeah, well I'm ready to help, but I think I need it to work a bit more for that.
Feb 09 16:54:46 <xaiki> Thibaud: actually, I tried doing the very same thing some 7 months ago.
Feb 09 16:54:51 <xaiki> but I suck at js.
Feb 09 16:57:04 <contradude> Thibaud: you're probably right, although I do work in IT so I'm good at following directions and figuring out when I've broken something
Feb 09 16:57:18 <Thibaud> xaiki: then you have room for improvement just like me, cause I still consider myself a JS noob ;)
Feb 09 16:58:34 <contradude> They just leaked the touchpad supposedly on engadget as well as a what's supposed to be a tiny cellphone... Kinda would like to replace my Sprint Pre with something with a few horses under the hood
Feb 09 17:01:17 <dtzWill> precentral seems like it's getting hammered...
Feb 09 17:01:23 <en0x> yap
Feb 09 17:01:37 <en0x> they run the wwebsite on one server ;P
Feb 09 17:02:24 <dtzWill> booo-urns.
Feb 09 17:02:31 <dtzWill> mmmm pre3/touchpad/etc
Feb 09 17:02:32 <contradude> O.o
Feb 09 17:02:35 <contradude> I saw that
Feb 09 17:02:44 <contradude> pre3/veer/touchpad
Feb 09 17:03:00 <contradude> I'm almost salivating over technology, what's wrong with me? :-P
Feb 09 17:03:18 <dtzWill> contradude: you're in good company.
Feb 09 17:04:27 <contradude> I'm honestly just hoping for something new on sprint... I don't want to defect to AT&T or Verizon but I will if needed
Feb 09 17:05:12 <dtzWill> contradude: yeah, agreed.  love me my sprint goodness.
Feb 09 17:05:22 <jelatta> any luck using google voice as a sip proxy with linphone?
Feb 09 17:05:52 <dtzWill> well precentral just posted "site should be back shortly" so hopefully they're fixing things.
Feb 09 17:05:55 <dtzWill> (via http://twitter.com/#!/precentral/status/35383316773347328 )
Feb 09 17:06:07 <contradude> I use sipgate.com as a free sip proxy since it has unlimited incoming calls and then call out using google voice
Feb 09 17:06:46 <contradude> hoping I get into the linphone alpha. voogle + linphone = perfect
Feb 09 17:07:38 <Thibaud> ielatta: not a google voice user, so can't tell. Others may do
Feb 09 17:09:31 <contradude> ielatta: go to http://www.establishfacts.com/how-tos/freeincomingoutgoingcallswithinusa and follow part 1
Feb 09 17:10:24 <contradude> ielatta: then set up that number as the number your google voice links to... then just use a sip client of your choice to actually do the talking on and you're set
Feb 09 17:11:28 <jelatta>  contradude: thx
Feb 09 17:12:14 <jelatta> and thank you thibaud for such a great app!
Feb 09 17:14:35 <Thibaud> ielatta: you're welcome!
Feb 09 17:16:17 <Josef_B> looks like cnet will have a liveblog also
Feb 09 17:16:22 <Josef_B> http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20031050-265.html
Feb 09 17:18:35 <contradude> the clock is going so slowly. who slowed down time again?
Feb 09 17:20:05 <mikewx> anyone know of a pre-friendly stream? I'm gonna be at lunch
Feb 09 17:20:36 <cryptk> stream as in podcast?
Feb 09 17:20:51 <mikewx> stream as in liveblog of the event
Feb 09 17:20:57 <cryptk> oh, gotcha
Feb 09 17:21:07 <cryptk> damn, I didn't even realize it was the 9th... lol
Feb 09 17:21:15 <cryptk> working nights the days run together
Feb 09 17:21:37 <mikewx> cause... my pre is dieing and while i've been with sprint for 12+ years my loyalty isn't what it used to be
Feb 09 17:21:52 <mikewx> my crack is marching slowly from my usb door to the middle of my screen
Feb 09 17:22:20 <cryptk> well, if they announce different form factors, but with the build quality of the Pre2... then you have nothing to worry about
Feb 09 17:22:33 <cryptk> granted, I know nothing more about what they will be announcing than you do
Feb 09 17:22:35 <mikewx> i'm just hoping sprint gets some pre-lovin
Feb 09 17:22:44 <contradude> everyone hit engadget.com
Feb 09 17:22:49 <cryptk> but I would assume that they will be announcing different form factors
Feb 09 17:22:54 <contradude> looks like they may have figured it out
Feb 09 17:23:07 <contradude> looks like a pixi replacement but maybe smaller somehow
Feb 09 17:23:09 <contradude> pre3
Feb 09 17:23:14 <mikewx> i've already gotten 1 1/2 feet in the ios camp, but i'd much rather stick with palm
Feb 09 17:23:16 <contradude> and the tab
Feb 09 17:23:30 <mikewx> and sprint is a helluva lot cheaper than vzw/att and faster
Feb 09 17:24:41 <mikewx> course the fact that i had to jailbreak to set my clock to a ntp server is not exactly a point in apple's favor
Feb 09 17:25:28 <mikewx> so come on hp, when i get back from lunch i want to be impressed, PLEASE ;-)
Feb 09 17:26:05 <contradude> mikewx: it looks like we will be
Feb 09 17:26:07 <contradude> all new hardware
Feb 09 17:26:14 <contradude> the questions is how good is it?
Feb 09 17:31:59 <Josef_B>  wow
Feb 09 17:32:41 <Josef_B> battery is at 14% and this drbattery still isnt calebrating .. its waiting for 3.413v im currently at 3.660
Feb 09 17:33:24 <contradude> it usually hits like 1% or so for me
Feb 09 17:33:32 <contradude> so just keep waiting josef
Feb 09 17:33:34 <destinal-work> ~whe
Feb 09 17:33:34 <infobot> whe is, like, a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time...
Feb 09 17:33:35 <Josef_B> contradude to calibrate ?
Feb 09 17:35:05 <Josef_B> http://twitpic.com/3y1mcg
Feb 09 17:35:26 <contradude> are you there, Josef?
Feb 09 17:35:31 <Josef_B> contradude yes
Feb 09 17:35:50 <contradude> luck guy, I hope you have a good time
Feb 09 17:35:54 <contradude> *lucky
Feb 09 17:36:02 <Josef_B> thats not me
Feb 09 17:36:06 <Josef_B> im getting it from twiiter
Feb 09 17:36:14 <destinal-work> ~veer
Feb 09 17:36:45 <contradude> ahh
Feb 09 17:37:23 <RagingMind> Josef_B, my pre spends several minutes at 0% before it starts calibration
Feb 09 17:38:04 <Josef_B> RagingMind so it does it by itself with the drbattery thing ?
Feb 09 17:38:19 <contradude> if it's set to calibrate, yes
Feb 09 17:38:28 <destinal-work> infobot: veer is (v) To turn aside from a course, direction, or purpose; swerve
Feb 09 17:38:29 <infobot> okay, destinal-work
Feb 09 17:38:31 <Josef_B> or do i need the screen on .. currently my pre sleeps ever 30 seconds for battery saving 0_o
Feb 09 17:39:20 <RagingMind> Josef_B, there's a very very handy help screen on the calibration page :)
Feb 09 17:39:53 <Josef_B> RagingMind for the app im using or just calibrarting the battery itself ?
Feb 09 17:40:00 <RagingMind> the annoying part is that once you plug it in you have to leave it plugged in until full charge, no interruptions
Feb 09 17:40:14 <Josef_B> oh wow
Feb 09 17:40:21 <RagingMind> in drbattery, there are several very handy and enlightening help screens
Feb 09 17:46:44 <contradude> I guess if I'm going to lurk I'd better reinstall mirc soon
Feb 09 17:47:00 <contradude> anyone have any OSS recommendations for a windows irc client?
Feb 09 17:47:36 <destinal-work> contradude: pidgin will do, or chatzilla (a firefox plugin)
Feb 09 17:48:10 <contradude> is pidgin fully featured as an IRC client?
Feb 09 17:48:38 <wgreenhouse> contradude: yes, but weirdly laid out
Feb 09 17:48:57 <wgreenhouse> it has all the features you'd expect, but it acts like an IM program pretending to be an IRC client
Feb 09 17:49:10 <contradude> fair enough
Feb 09 17:49:19 <contradude> that'll work, as I already have pidgin installed
Feb 09 17:52:13 <RagingMind> contradude, there are free windows builds of xchat that float around.  or pidgin
Feb 09 17:53:48 <Josef_B> so in other news .. the reason why i got my pre .. was cause my wife broke my phone (aka lost the battery) to my android device right
Feb 09 17:53:52 <Josef_B> so i have had my pre for 2 days
Feb 09 17:53:59 <Josef_B> my wife just walked in with the battery of my android phone
Feb 09 17:54:00 <Josef_B> lmao
Feb 09 17:54:20 <contradude> LOL
Feb 09 17:54:33 <Josef_B> guess what i told her for the android phone
Feb 09 17:54:38 <contradude> what?
Feb 09 17:54:43 <Josef_B> we can sell it on ebay/craigslist
Feb 09 17:54:44 <Josef_B> :D
Feb 09 17:54:47 <contradude> :-D
Feb 09 17:55:02 <contradude> have you put preware/uberkernel on your pre yet?
Feb 09 17:55:07 <Josef_B> yea i got all that
Feb 09 17:55:11 <contradude> awesome
Feb 09 17:55:35 <Josef_B> well i was at setspped 600mhz
Feb 09 17:55:41 <Josef_B> orwhatever govnah says
Feb 09 17:55:51 <Josef_B> now im trying to re-calibrate i think it just dropped me to 500mhz
Feb 09 17:56:14 <xaiki> Thibaud: ok, to build you use the cross-compile git ?
Feb 09 17:56:31 <contradude> it probably did because of battery. I ran my pre at screenstate 500/1000 for over 6 months and I run it at screenstate 500/800 mhz now
Feb 09 17:56:41 <contradude> after it finishes recalibrating set it up to 800 mhz
Feb 09 17:56:44 <contradude> it fairly flies
Feb 09 17:57:23 <rwhitby> morning
Feb 09 17:57:47 <Thibaud> xaiki: yep, but the repo isn't in a clean state (yet)
Feb 09 17:57:57 <Thibaud> morning rod :)
Feb 09 17:58:31 <halfhalo> rwhitby: is the patch stuff up on github yet?
Feb 09 17:59:01 <rwhitby> no
Feb 09 18:00:05 <contradude> good mornin' rod
Feb 09 18:00:46 <destinal-work> So funny, pre2 isn't even out on most carriers yet, and pre3 seems to be one of the forthcoming announcements
Feb 09 18:01:08 <contradude> lol, they skipped it and pretended it didn't happen :-P
Feb 09 18:01:14 <contradude> it's probably gonna be the official dev device for a while
Feb 09 18:01:47 <destinal-work> contradude: guess that would explain the claims that they just gave away 100 of em ;)
Feb 09 18:02:08 <Josef_B> OMFG 1 MIN!
Feb 09 18:02:10 <contradude> rod: I currently use a sip solution for my home phone, and I'm comfortable with alpha quality software. is there any chance I could alpha test linphone?
Feb 09 18:02:16 <Josef_B> :D
Feb 09 18:02:46 <RagingMind> i miss palm logos and name on things already  *sigh*
Feb 09 18:02:51 <Josef_B> i hate battery warning lol
Feb 09 18:02:52 <Josef_B> :D
Feb 09 18:03:14 <contradude> me too, ragingmind... at least webos didn't go down with palm
Feb 09 18:03:30 <contradude> i would have been supremely mad, after having bought a tapwave zodiac last time
Feb 09 18:04:19 <Josef_B> umm..
Feb 09 18:04:22 <rwhitby> contradude: see /msg
Feb 09 18:04:28 <Josef_B> i thought the event started at 10am PST
Feb 09 18:04:32 <rwhitby> contradude: report here or in PreCentral thread
Feb 09 18:04:38 <Josef_B> im seeing bloggin on 2 sites
Feb 09 18:04:43 <Josef_B> but palm.com/us still has a counter
Feb 09 18:04:47 <Josef_B> anyone notice that ?
Feb 09 18:05:50 <Louder|laptop> yeah it's been noted a few times
Feb 09 18:06:02 <Louder|laptop> also apparently HP banned video feeds
Feb 09 18:06:13 <Louder|laptop> so something is going on
Feb 09 18:06:22 <tmandry> they will put a video up though I think
Feb 09 18:07:27 <Louder|laptop> oh I'm sure
Feb 09 18:08:22 <tmandry> at 2pm PST
Feb 09 18:14:52 <Josef_B> RagingMind my batter is at 2%
Feb 09 18:14:53 <Josef_B> 0_o
Feb 09 18:14:59 <Josef_B> err
Feb 09 18:15:19 <Josef_B> nice connect charger now
Feb 09 18:20:29 <contradude> hmm... linphone says reg_ok but when I try to call in to it, it never rings
Feb 09 18:20:32 <contradude> any ideas?
Feb 09 18:20:52 <rwhitby> um, we're a bit busy watching other stuff at the moment
Feb 09 18:20:57 <contradude> np
Feb 09 18:21:06 <contradude> so am I :-P
Feb 09 18:23:46 <Thibaud> contratdude: can you check the service is still alive? throw the app away & restart it. What's the state then?
Feb 09 18:24:23 <Thibaud> s/contratdude/contradude/
Feb 09 18:24:25 <infobot> Thibaud meant: contradude: can you check the service is still alive? throw the app away & restart it. What's the state then?
Feb 09 18:24:40 <xaiki> rwhitby: if you do have a stray ipk, i can play with it while you're busy =)
Feb 09 18:24:49 <contradude> call_idle
Feb 09 18:25:36 <contradude> do I need to restart luna or java services?
Feb 09 18:25:50 <Thibaud> contradude: so the service's still running
Feb 09 18:26:21 <contradude> Thibaud: seems to be
Feb 09 18:26:57 <Thibaud> so no restart needed. did you have * in your dial number?
Feb 09 18:27:05 <AcKoenigs> hi there
Feb 09 18:28:08 <contradude> no, I left it blank and tried to call my SIP number from another phone
Feb 09 18:29:11 <Thibaud> first time try or did it work before?
Feb 09 18:30:16 <contradude> I haven't been able to get it to work yet
Feb 09 18:30:47 <AproposTS> So quiet. Where's the appropriate (channel) place to talk about the event? :s
Feb 09 18:31:01 <Louder|laptop> everyone is in #webos
Feb 09 18:31:15 <AproposTS> Thanks! :)
Feb 09 18:33:16 <Thibaud> contradude: you mean receiving a call? did you try to dial one?
Feb 09 18:33:29 <contradude> yes, receiving
Feb 09 18:33:34 <contradude> haven't tried dialing yet
Feb 09 18:33:58 <contradude> interesting
Feb 09 18:34:20 <contradude> it seems to work dialing out (more or less since I don't have money in my sip account for an out going call
Feb 09 18:34:25 <contradude> but it connected just fine
Feb 09 18:34:57 <contradude> and it gave me the prerecorded message from the sip company
Feb 09 18:37:10 <Thibaud> contradude: so not totally off, good! we'll need you to discriminate between app issue, sip account issue & network issue
Feb 09 18:44:07 <destinal-work> oh well, snapdragon rather than TI omap..
Feb 09 18:44:26 <contradude> *shrugs*
Feb 09 18:44:28 <destinal-work> not too surprising though
Feb 09 18:44:33 <contradude> still crazy fast though
Feb 09 18:44:36 <contradude> I'm good with that
Feb 09 18:48:59 <mikewx> woo all caught up to livestream. veer looks like a ncie low end offering
Feb 09 18:49:55 <mikewx> nice touchpad/pre3 intergration
Feb 09 18:51:05 <Josef_B> this palm event is overload
Feb 09 18:51:19 <mikewx> it needs to be
Feb 09 18:51:29 <mikewx> they've had a collection of disparate devices. they need a platform
Feb 09 18:51:43 <contradude> I know, but isn't it awesome that it seems like a good working, fast ecosystem
Feb 09 18:51:51 <Louder|laptop> I wonder just how open that snapdragon gpu driver is...
Feb 09 18:52:14 <contradude> lol
Feb 09 18:52:21 <contradude> no android on the touchpad
Feb 09 18:52:40 <Louder|laptop> why would I want that?
Feb 09 18:52:43 <contradude> I'll personally program the android droid to go over to your house and strangle you :-P
Feb 09 18:53:11 <contradude> anytime anyone asks how open webos device drivers are, it's usually so they can port WP7 or Android to it :-P
Feb 09 18:53:20 <Louder|laptop> I've got one android device in my house, and it's a nook
Feb 09 18:53:25 <Louder|laptop> and not the color one
Feb 09 18:53:35 <contradude> same here
Feb 09 18:53:39 <contradude> I like my nook a lot
Feb 09 18:53:52 <mikewx> i love my mono nook
Feb 09 18:54:02 <mikewx> great book reader
Feb 09 18:54:15 <chrisa> I guess I worked on the veer and pre^3 (come on, why are names always so bad)
Feb 09 18:54:27 <halfhalo> you guess?
Feb 09 18:54:34 <destinal-work> chrisa: broadway > veer as a name
Feb 09 18:54:38 <mikewx> chrisa: not like the good old days of lighthouse and montana? :)
Feb 09 18:54:59 <chrisa> Did they mention how headphones and usb work on veer?
Feb 09 18:55:04 <mikewx> no
Feb 09 18:55:06 <chrisa> That's the minor detail
Feb 09 18:55:23 <chrisa> mum's the word then :O
Feb 09 18:55:28 <mikewx> heh
Feb 09 18:55:44 <destinal-work> chrisa: ah, well limited space, I can imagine some interesting solutions to that
Feb 09 18:58:12 <datafirm> hello!
Feb 09 18:58:25 <Louder|laptop> I noticed that the veer had that odd sliderish button on it
Feb 09 18:58:25 <datafirm> any of you heading to the event tonight?
Feb 09 18:59:07 <chrisa> sliderish button?
Feb 09 18:59:21 <destinal-work> chrisa: has a6 been revealed yet?
Feb 09 18:59:27 <datafirm> im just hoppin on the plane from Seattle!
Feb 09 18:59:55 <chrisa> a6 isn't some magical thing that will be listed on a spec sheet or announced as a feature
Feb 09 18:59:59 <chrisa> It's just an internal part
Feb 09 19:00:09 <Louder|laptop> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/palmtb0069.jpg
Feb 09 19:00:14 <mikewx> i thought it was an audi :-)
Feb 09 19:00:18 <Louder|laptop> that was part of the teaser pics
Feb 09 19:01:17 <chrisa> I'm not sure what you're trying to point out to me
Feb 09 19:02:02 <oil> the thing on the side
Feb 09 19:02:14 <oil> where the usb port would be on pre
Feb 09 19:02:19 <chrisa> That's just a connector
Feb 09 19:03:36 <halfhalo> I do like the tablet
Feb 09 19:04:20 <contradude> the tablet is causing me to froth at the mouth
Feb 09 19:04:28 <contradude> I was going to try and save money this summer
Feb 09 19:04:30 <contradude> :-(
Feb 09 19:05:29 <Louder|laptop> lol
Feb 09 19:13:16 <Thibaud> bbl
Feb 09 19:15:51 <mikewx> hrm, long wait
Feb 09 19:18:25 <chrisa> Hmm, I missed the beginning. Pre3 / Tablet aren't till summer, is Veer ready?
Feb 09 19:18:37 <xaiki> Thibaud: rwhitby: I guess you're busy, but I got great mistery in building my stagging dir with cross-compile, any quick tip ?
Feb 09 19:19:06 <mikewx> chrisa: i think veer is "spring" which could i suppose mean march
Feb 09 19:19:41 <mikewx> which certainly means "after ipad2, and after iphone4 refresh"
Feb 09 19:19:46 <mikewx> not really a good thing :(
Feb 09 19:20:13 <chrisa> Not to mention the pre2 doesn't even hit verizon until after the iphone 4
Feb 09 19:20:14 <en0x> come on hp... waiting for pre3 until summer?! wtf
Feb 09 19:20:30 <mikewx> i'm still hoping they'll say something about some love for sprint :)
Feb 09 19:20:47 <Thibaud> xaiki: full cross-compile build for Linphone is not yet working from the repo. working on that, be patient
Feb 09 19:20:51 <mikewx> yeah the pre2 might as well get a toe-tag DOA
Feb 09 19:23:13 <idontwan2know> The Pre3 has a 1230 mAh battery....
Feb 09 19:23:30 <destinal-work> mikewx: dunno about that, I have a feeling we can get a lot of this stuff going on pre2, even if it lacks tap sensor / touch whatever
Feb 09 19:23:54 <destinal-work> mikewx: but yeah commercially pre2 is done
Feb 09 19:24:12 <mikewx> destinal-work: oh i'm not saying it's a bad device, just horrible horrible timing
Feb 09 19:24:23 <destinal-work> I think pre2 got massively tragically delayed
Feb 09 19:24:30 <destinal-work> like a year maybe
Feb 09 19:24:43 <idontwan2know> I would say 6 months, but yeah\
Feb 09 19:24:45 <Louder|laptop> seems like it
Feb 09 19:24:52 <mikewx> people buying a new smartphone on verizon now...aren't gonna look at webos
Feb 09 19:25:11 <oil> well, if they're all out of iphones
Feb 09 19:25:14 <oil> xD
Feb 09 19:25:58 <mikewx> yeah, sad but here's the line from a friend of mine: pthree: I think I'd rather have a webos tablet than an android tablet if I couldn't afford an ipad
Feb 09 19:26:05 <mikewx> pretty sure he was talking about ipad2
Feb 09 19:27:57 <contradude> rwhitby: what do you think about the new hardware?
Feb 09 19:28:49 * rwhitby approves
Feb 09 19:29:07 <mikewx> looks slick
Feb 09 19:29:19 <mikewx> i'm still waiting for them to say sprint gets one :)
Feb 09 19:29:46 <idontwan2know> don't think you're gonna hear anything about wireless partners this far out
Feb 09 19:30:06 <mikewx> prolly not
Feb 09 19:30:12 <mikewx> but a man can hope
Feb 09 19:32:33 * javispedro likes that palm finally got a 800x480 largish screen phone
Feb 09 19:32:40 <contradude> mikewx: it's got the fastest processor I've seen in a cellphone yet
Feb 09 19:32:44 <contradude> and a big screen
Feb 09 19:32:52 <contradude> sprint would be idiots not to get it
Feb 09 19:33:08 <contradude> especially since verizon/AT&T have iphone
Feb 09 19:33:11 <mikewx> no arguing here
Feb 09 19:33:30 <mikewx> sprint needs anything they can get, but they put a lot into the last pre and it was a bitter disappointment from what i hear, tehy might not care to do so again
Feb 09 19:33:40 <idontwan2know> it's evdo A, so has to be either Sprint or Verizon
Feb 09 19:34:01 <contradude> yeah
Feb 09 19:34:09 <contradude> I'm betting sprint will get in on it
Feb 09 19:34:14 <mikewx> they ignored pre plus pre2 and pixies after the first
Feb 09 19:34:26 <contradude> this is an order of magnitude better
Feb 09 19:34:36 <contradude> It just killed every phone they sell in specs
Feb 09 19:34:40 <contradude> excepts massive size
Feb 09 19:34:47 <contradude> and 8 mp camera
Feb 09 19:35:02 <contradude> I don't care about how many MP a camera has, just the quality of it's pictures
Feb 09 19:35:04 <mikewx> and if history holds true..battery life
Feb 09 19:35:15 <mikewx> cause...i can't leave my cube with my pre :)
Feb 09 19:35:27 <idontwan2know> I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that Palm's 5mp camera will beat anybody else's 8...they've always done a better job with image processing.
Feb 09 19:35:47 <mikewx> autofocus would be nice in the camera too, but i haven't seen them mention that
Feb 09 19:35:55 <contradude> mikewx: it's there
Feb 09 19:35:57 <contradude> they mentioned
Feb 09 19:35:59 <mikewx> nice
Feb 09 19:36:01 <idontwan2know> battery life is my concern...1230mAh battery....that's barely more than the Pre/Pre2...
Feb 09 19:36:12 <contradude> better battery management though
Feb 09 19:36:20 <mikewx> how does facebook fall under 3rd party app. it's maintained by palm staff~
Feb 09 19:36:33 <mikewx> one of their dev relations guys iirc
Feb 09 19:36:34 <contradude> but it's not officially from palm
Feb 09 19:36:44 <contradude> its something the dev relations guys started
Feb 09 19:36:50 <Josef_B> RagingMind you around ?
Feb 09 19:37:01 <mikewx> (damn good app too, dev reations guy, if you're around)
Feb 09 19:37:13 <RagingMind> Josef_B, Yup
Feb 09 19:37:16 <idontwan2know> no doubt, the webOS facebook app is killer
Feb 09 19:37:26 <Josef_B> RagingMind my calibration failed
Feb 09 19:37:28 <Louder|laptop> hopefully it gets upgraded to use https now
Feb 09 19:37:38 <Josef_B> it failed at 58%
Feb 09 19:38:09 <idontwan2know> I bet we're still in for at least one more hardware teaser....they haven't broken out the "think ahead" slide yet.
Feb 09 19:39:10 <RagingMind> Josef_B, mine normally does too.  the help screens have some suggestions about that  *shrugs*
Feb 09 19:40:06 <contradude> They mentioned connor lacombe :-D
Feb 09 19:45:40 <destinal-work> yeah, makes me wish all this stuff had come out when I was a kid, :)
Feb 09 19:45:50 <Louder|laptop> lol
Feb 09 19:46:14 <Louder|laptop> I'm thinking of the size of cell phones and the power of home pcs when I was a kid
Feb 09 19:46:19 <oil> just tell people that when you release your app
Feb 09 19:46:23 <oil> make the description
Feb 09 19:46:33 <oil> "hope you like this, I'm 10"
Feb 09 19:47:05 <mikewx> nice deadtree subscribers get webos content free
Feb 09 19:49:09 <Mercury> I'd love a Pre 3 on Sprint at this point.
Feb 09 19:51:00 <idontwan2know> Mercury: me too, make it happen
Feb 09 19:55:21 <idontwan2know> Engadget has a photo gallery of the Pre3
Feb 09 19:55:48 <Louder|laptop> chrisa, nice, magnetic connectors for the veer eh?
Feb 09 19:55:54 <idontwan2know> Side by side shot with iphone4 and samsung galaxy...Pre3 screen looks MUCH brighter
Feb 09 19:56:14 <idontwan2know> other phones might have backlights off, though
Feb 09 19:57:20 <idontwan2know> impressively thin, too
Feb 09 19:57:38 <idontwan2know> looks like it'll be thinner than the epic
Feb 09 19:57:46 <mikewx> wow now there's ane xtension for hp's touchsmart pc's~
Feb 09 20:05:56 <idontwan2know> well
Feb 09 20:06:12 <mikewx> Well HP, congrats on a pretty nifty and remarkably premature set of product announcements :)
Feb 09 20:08:06 <idontwan2know> I wouldn't say that....they're announcing closer to launch than anyone other than Apple does
Feb 09 20:08:23 <idontwan2know> Playbook was anounced 4 months ago and won't be out any sooner
Feb 09 20:08:56 <idontwan2know> But I was definitely hoping for something better than summer
Feb 09 20:09:07 <mikewx> yes, well, when you're on top your buzz doesn't die down as fast. apple can get away with it. rim has a stranglehold on the enterprise i'm hoping palm breaks. hp has.....
Feb 09 20:09:36 <Louder|laptop> you can always get a veer sooner ;)
Feb 09 20:10:14 <Louder|laptop> interesting magnetic connectors on that
Feb 09 20:10:20 <mikewx> indeed
Feb 09 20:10:32 <Louder|laptop> too bad it's a slider...it could be 100% water tight
Feb 09 20:10:51 <mikewx> will be a good apple vs hp fight
Feb 09 20:11:13 <mikewx> i think apple patented the hell out of magsafe, but i'm pretty sure hp has the resources to prove prior art somewhere
Feb 09 20:11:37 <idontwan2know> I'm encouraged by the breadth of what we saw...Palm could never do more than one thing at a time.
Feb 09 20:11:54 <idontwan2know> Pretty clear HP will be going full steam ahead on multiple paths at once.
Feb 09 20:13:36 <Louder|laptop> pre3 has a compass too..
Feb 09 20:14:25 <idontwan2know> I am surprised they went all in on the portrait slider form factor.
Feb 09 20:14:46 <idontwan2know> Doesn't bother me personally, but lots of people like slabs
Feb 09 20:16:50 <lamawithonel> the nice thing about their portrait slider is the curve when it's open
Feb 09 20:17:15 <idontwan2know> Pre3 looks like the slider is straight
Feb 09 20:17:17 <lamawithonel> it just feels right against your face
Feb 09 20:17:25 <idontwan2know> or minimally curved
Feb 09 20:18:14 <oil> curve around your face, while your cheek covers the mic
Feb 09 20:18:22 <oil> because its at the bottom of the front of the screen
Feb 09 20:19:05 <idontwan2know> oil: there is what appears to be a hole for a mic below the keyboard on the pre3
Feb 09 20:19:17 <cobalt027> does anyone know if libgcrypt or libcrypt are available for PDKs?
Feb 09 20:19:54 <rwhitby> cobalt027: you can staticly link anything you like
Feb 09 20:20:03 <cobalt027> ok, good to know. thank you.
Feb 09 20:20:17 <cobalt027> im researching doing a keepass client for WebOS
Feb 09 20:20:34 <cobalt027> and ill need that (or something like it) to decrypt the database.
Feb 09 20:20:37 <oil> idontwan2know: you're right, it does look like its below the spacebar
Feb 09 20:20:40 <oil> MUCH better
Feb 09 20:20:48 * oil is always muffeling the mic with his cheek
Feb 09 20:21:23 <oil> especially when i try the head-tilt-shoulder-pinch move
Feb 09 20:22:03 <mikewx> yeah i can't do the tilt head thing with my pre at all
Feb 09 20:22:17 <mikewx> but whenever i complain i'm told "that's what bt is for"
Feb 09 20:23:19 <idontwan2know> me too
Feb 09 20:23:52 <oil> well, with pre3 it will work great!
Feb 09 20:23:53 <oil> :)
Feb 09 20:24:04 * oil is a big shoulder-pinch fan
Feb 09 20:24:30 <idontwan2know> Now the question is, can I get one?
Feb 09 20:25:02 <idontwan2know> Love what I've seen, but I'm not gonna pay $20+ a month more for Verizon service to get it
Feb 09 20:25:12 <mikewx> yeah
Feb 09 20:25:22 <mikewx> it has to be on sprint for me
Feb 09 20:25:46 <lmentop> rwhitby, when trying to receive a call (sipgate is my provider) the only activity linphone shows is that it flashes between CALL_IDLE and CALL_END on the third ring and the call gets sent to voicemail. Sipgate shows linphone as being registered and connected and I can attempt outgoing calls with no problem. I tried receiving a call with sip2sip and that failed too. Sip2sip shows Linphone as being registered to the account an
Feb 09 20:25:46 <lmentop> shows attempted outgoing calls.
Feb 09 20:25:48 <mikewx> 12 years and a 25% flat discount, on top of the fact that verizon is more expensive even before my discounts....
Feb 09 20:27:15 <tlp> yep, hope Sprint gets the Pre 2
Feb 09 20:27:23 <tlp> not holding my breath
Feb 09 20:27:31 <destinal-work> cobalt027: keepass 1.x should be portable to webos as a hybrid app pretty easily
Feb 09 20:27:48 <idontwan2know> in the side by side, the ThinkPad's screen looks much brighter than the iPad's
Feb 09 20:27:53 <destinal-work> 2.x possible with mono too but a bit trickier
Feb 09 20:27:58 <cobalt027> destinal-work: hyrbrid app? what is that?
Feb 09 20:28:31 <destinal-work> cobalt027: native binary + mojo where the native binary works like a plugin
Feb 09 20:28:49 <destinal-work> Like what QuickOffice is
Feb 09 20:28:52 <cobalt027> yeah, that was my intention.
Feb 09 20:29:10 <cobalt027> to have a mojo frontend. with a pdk piece that does the decryption.
Feb 09 20:29:21 <cobalt027> and just sends the data back to the mojo for display
Feb 09 20:30:13 <destinal-work> cobalt027: yeah, there's documentation in the PDK on how to do hybrid apps
Feb 09 20:30:34 <cobalt027> right. cant submit those to the app store right now tho, right? is that still the case?
Feb 09 20:30:38 <destinal-work> HP is supposed to be allowing them into the app catalog soon but maybe we'll hear more about that at tonight's dev event
Feb 09 20:30:48 <cobalt027> right right.
Feb 09 20:30:51 <destinal-work> for now it would work as homebrew
Feb 09 20:31:22 <cobalt027> ya
Feb 09 20:31:28 <cobalt027> my bit problem is that my C++ sucks.
Feb 09 20:31:31 <RagingMind> when is the dev event?
Feb 09 20:31:31 <cobalt027> so i have to learn that as i go.
Feb 09 20:31:54 <oil> RagingMind: this evening?
Feb 09 20:32:15 <RagingMind> time-ish?  just wondering when I should be paying attention to irc
Feb 09 20:33:13 <AcKoenigs> any cross-compiling linux geek in here? What am I doing wrong, if I get "/lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory"? ;)
Feb 09 20:33:42 <oil> RagingMind: i have no idea about time
Feb 09 20:33:52 <idontwan2know> wow...the OS is blazing fast on Pre3...you can barely even see the card animations
Feb 09 20:35:26 <destinal-work> rwhitby: hmm, I wonder if the comm boards are anything alike electrically..
Feb 09 20:35:38 <destinal-work> pre3 and earlier pres
Feb 09 20:35:49 <rwhitby> good question
Feb 09 20:36:10 <halfhalo> I would think not, but I hope I'm wrong
Feb 09 20:36:12 <idontwan2know> I was wondering that myself...
Feb 09 20:37:08 <Louder|laptop> lol
Feb 09 20:37:12 <idontwan2know> the specs seem to indicate that it's a single model world phone, which would mean a totally different radio
Feb 09 20:37:59 <Louder|laptop> in that case you really wouldn't need to swap the radio....assuming it was unlocked and your carrier let you bring an unlocked phone
Feb 09 20:38:42 <destinal-work> idontwan2know: err, wait, the same device is EVDO and HSPA+ ?
Feb 09 20:39:27 <oil> destinal: didnt they say it was evdo rev a and hspa+?
Feb 09 20:39:35 <mpingu> is the website transfair thingy via touch transfer working in both ways ?
Feb 09 20:39:38 <idontwan2know> destinal-work: that's what the slide in the presentation said. specifically called it a world phone
Feb 09 20:39:58 <destinal-work> that's something that'll make it even more attractive to corporations
Feb 09 20:40:15 <idontwan2know> yep, though it also means no 4g
Feb 09 20:40:17 <destinal-work> you could use sprint or verizon domestically and still travel internationally with a SIM card or whatever
Feb 09 20:40:40 * oil wants 4g when its ACTUALLY 4g
Feb 09 20:41:01 <oil> and not used as a marketing term to seem better then 3g
Feb 09 20:42:35 <lmentop> Thibaud - any chance of making the linphone dial pad pixi compatible? Also, linphone hijacked my phone's microphone and wouldn't allow me to talk over a regular phone call
Feb 09 20:43:06 <Josef_B> i wonder when youtube will get hit up with all the blog/videos today
Feb 09 20:43:26 <idontwan2know> Well, my next phone will serve as a mifi for my touchpad, so "4g" would be nice.
Feb 09 20:43:32 <idontwan2know> Not essential, but nice.
Feb 09 20:45:10 <Mercury> I could actually see a Veer paired with a TouchPad working well,
Feb 09 20:46:25 <idontwan2know> HP is definitely going to be able to make a compelling case to developers when they get webOS running on PCs and printers. The sheer number of devices in the market place will absolutely dwarf any other mobile OS.
Feb 09 20:46:32 <Thibaud> lmentop: ouch, unexpected situation for sure. Need to check and reproduce. Stay tuned
Feb 09 20:47:46 <destinal-work> I really want to know what they're going to do with pc's
Feb 09 20:47:48 <mikewx> yes, but i can't see angry birds on a printer :)
Feb 09 20:47:50 <idontwan2know> HP will ship more printers just this year than the total number of iPhones and iPads ever produced.
Feb 09 20:48:01 <mikewx> and have you ever used a touchmart pc? your arms get tired fairly fast
Feb 09 20:48:11 <idontwan2know> No, but I can see QuickOffice on a printer.
Feb 09 20:48:25 <Thibaud> lmentop: pixi? are you running on the pixi?
Feb 09 20:48:41 <lmentop> Thibaud: yes
Feb 09 20:48:46 <idontwan2know> Open your doc and make a quick edit right on the printer before printing it...no need for another device.
Feb 09 20:48:56 <rwhitby> I can definitely see Angry Birds on an office printer with a leaderboard
Feb 09 20:49:05 <mikewx> rofl
Feb 09 20:49:14 <mikewx> rwhitby: damn you have a point there
Feb 09 20:49:16 <idontwan2know> rwhitby: genius
Feb 09 20:49:35 <oil> haha
Feb 09 20:49:44 <mikewx> what little productivity we have left...gone
Feb 09 20:49:55 <Louder|laptop> webos watercooler
Feb 09 20:49:56 <cobalt027> mikewx: +1
Feb 09 20:51:56 <Thibaud> lmentop: guess I know what's going on then: the binary for the service is for the armv7 only. My mistake, this should have been made clearer from start. Chances are it killed the audio system. You should also be missing the system sounds & notifications.
Feb 09 20:51:56 <Thibaud> Uninstall & reboot.
Feb 09 20:52:40 <lmentop> Thibaud: everything was fine on reboot
Feb 09 20:52:45 <idontwan2know> destinal-work: the obvious answer is replacing the UI on the touchsmart line with webOS. probably also an option on netbooks and laptops as well
Feb 09 20:54:34 <destinal-work> idontwan2know: no reason they can't layer webos on top of win7
Feb 09 20:55:07 <destinal-work> I don't know if webos is worthy of a laptop or desktop pc full time yet
Feb 09 20:55:38 <jelatta> destinal-work: that's what I was thinking, just being able to answer texts, read visual voicemail would be cool
Feb 09 20:55:52 <lmentop> Thibaud: is this version only compatible for the pre? if so, will there be a pixi version in the works?
Feb 09 20:56:07 <mpingu> maybe webOS is comming as a quick boot os
Feb 09 20:56:11 <mpingu> like asus webgate or so
Feb 09 20:56:53 <contradude> did anyone get that issue with linphone and sipgate resolved?
Feb 09 20:57:06 <contradude> I went to lunch and my IRC client signed me out due to inactivity
Feb 09 20:57:45 <rwhitby> contradude -> Thibaud
Feb 09 20:58:10 <Thibaud> lmentop: Yep, pre only because we all ran out of time! But wife & son pushing hard, so I guess I'll be fast on this one... :)
Feb 09 21:01:16 <renem> hey
Feb 09 21:01:29 <AcKoenigs> webOs on my desktop would be cool as some kind of combined calendar/mail/messaging/contacts app that automatically syncs to my phone. I'd like that.
Feb 09 21:01:40 <renem> I would like to test linphone too ;-)
Feb 09 21:02:39 <idontwan2know> I really really like what they've done with the virtual keyboard...multiple sizes and having the number row on top are both great moves that will cut down on the frustration factor.
Feb 09 21:03:01 <idontwan2know> Absolutely HATE having to constantly switch modes to type numbers.
Feb 09 21:03:02 * oil hates onscreen kbs which give you letters OR numbers only
Feb 09 21:03:09 <oil> idontwan2know: HIGH FUCKING FIVE!
Feb 09 21:03:17 <idontwan2know> amen
Feb 09 21:03:26 <rwhitby> renem: what device and what SIP provider?
Feb 09 21:03:51 <lmentop> Thibaud: ah well, good work so far. i'm excited for the pixi version :)
Feb 09 21:05:01 <renem> I have the Palm Pre a german sipgate account and some pbx with sip server
Feb 09 21:05:25 <contradude> Thibaud: I was talking to you earlier about being able to call out but not receive calls on linphone using sipgate as a provider and a sprint palm pre
Feb 09 21:05:29 <idontwan2know> picking up my sprint pre and waiting 3-5 seconds for an SMS to load after watching the touchpad and pre3 in action is depressing.
Feb 09 21:06:22 <rwhitby> renem: see /msg - reports to Thibaud here or on P|C forum thread
Feb 09 21:07:55 <destinal-work> pre3 isn't a huge step up from pre2.  aside from 802.11n, better screen, front facing camera, and the worldphone thing, nothing that big going on
Feb 09 21:08:33 <Louder|laptop> and the spec bump
Feb 09 21:08:45 <contradude> and the fastest single core processor currently in production
Feb 09 21:08:59 <contradude> and the camera on the back that is autofocus
Feb 09 21:09:03 <contradude> and 5mp
Feb 09 21:09:07 <destinal-work> contradude: autofocus?  nice
Feb 09 21:09:10 <destinal-work> that I didn't notice
Feb 09 21:09:12 <contradude> yeah
Feb 09 21:09:17 <contradude> I was impressed
Feb 09 21:09:18 <rwhitby> destinal-work: well screen res, which seems to be what everyone judges smartphones on
Feb 09 21:09:40 <Louder|laptop> too bad it doesn't have the cool mag connectors like the veer
Feb 09 21:09:41 <contradude> reg_pending. argh.
Feb 09 21:09:41 <mikewx> excepy, it's not on the market yet, and by time it is it won't be the only one with a fast processor
Feb 09 21:09:42 <oil> and its faster proc
Feb 09 21:09:49 <Thibaud> contradude: sorry, was off the grid and missed the info. let me switch from wIRC/Pre to Chatzilla/Ubuntu
Feb 09 21:09:50 <destinal-work> we can finally have barcode scanning
Feb 09 21:09:53 <destinal-work> :)
Feb 09 21:10:00 <idontwan2know> bigger, higher resolution screen makes a big difference to me
Feb 09 21:10:04 <contradude> indeed
Feb 09 21:10:10 <idontwan2know> I do a LOT of web browsing on my phone
Feb 09 21:10:21 <contradude> well, i was impressed. it kept the pre a pre but made it for 2011
Feb 09 21:10:38 <contradude> I still have a loitering feeling of a slab phone coming late summer early fall with 4g
Feb 09 21:11:08 <idontwan2know> agreed...I don't think they will stay out of the slab form factor...it's too popular
Feb 09 21:11:28 <contradude> I would (will if it comes to sprint) be happy with the pre 3
Feb 09 21:11:32 <destinal-work> contradude: yeah, a slab would be the only real logical gap in their offerings esp now that they've got a tablet so they have to have a good touchkeyboard
Feb 09 21:12:05 <contradude> destinal-work: agreed. it would be childs play after they get the others out to make a slab
Feb 09 21:12:19 <contradude> I think they are waiting so they can make one that doesn't look exactly like an evo
Feb 09 21:12:49 <sebastianha> are there still alphatesters for the sip app wanted? I would be interested!
Feb 09 21:13:00 <Thibaud> contradude: sorry, was off the grid and missing the info about sipgate issue. Let me read back...
Feb 09 21:13:05 <idontwan2know> I wonder if the virtual keyboard will be available on the Pre3 out of the box, or we'll need some WHEs to unlock it.
Feb 09 21:13:41 <destinal-work> ~whe
Feb 09 21:13:42 <infobot> it has been said that whe is a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time...
Feb 09 21:13:50 <contradude> Thibaud: it's all good. honestly, we didn't get very far at all. just that outgoing calls work
Feb 09 21:13:53 <oil> haha
Feb 09 21:13:59 <oil> whe, good times
Feb 09 21:14:04 <rwhitby> ~whemaid
Feb 09 21:14:11 <contradude> except when my phone gets stuck randomly in reg_pending
Feb 09 21:14:27 <destinal-work> idontwan2know: you can flip on the virtual keyboard on current webos 2 devices.  no idea why they'd break that
Feb 09 21:14:29 <contradude> (this is the first time for that, and it just happened)
Feb 09 21:14:45 <contradude> (okay it fixed itself)
Feb 09 21:15:09 <idontwan2know> destinal-work: gotcha...haven't had any chance to play with 2.0+ *cries*
Feb 09 21:15:21 <idontwan2know> just read about it and drooled
Feb 09 21:16:24 <xaiki> rwhitby: ping ?
Feb 09 21:16:30 <rwhitby> yes
Feb 09 21:16:47 <xaiki> rwhitby: sorry to bother you again, I'd really like to test some linphone stuff.
Feb 09 21:16:56 <rwhitby> xaiki: what device and sip provider?
Feb 09 21:17:05 <xaiki> rwhitby: pre1 justvoip.com
Feb 09 21:17:18 <xaiki> rwhitby: I got it from git, got it working with linphonec
Feb 09 21:17:26 <xaiki> but can't get anything out of the mojo/service
Feb 09 21:17:40 <rwhitby> xaiki: see /msg, report to Thibaud here or in P|C thread
Feb 09 21:18:22 <xaiki> rwhitby: great, thanks.
Feb 09 21:19:26 <contradude> Thibaud: after looking at my sipgate control panel on their website, it shows me as being online (good) and that everything seems set up right (also good) but when I look at my call log it says the calls have 'failed for unknown reason'
Feb 09 21:21:33 <idontwan2know> Wow...engadget has a hands on video with the Veer...it is shockingly fast. It's easy to make fun of, but if it's cheap enough, this thing may be a hit.
Feb 09 21:21:55 <Thibaud> contradude: we also have this kind of message shown by the linphone core (got it with sip2sip account I guess). Still the calls happened in any direction, so not sure. But I understand you don't get incoming calls
Feb 09 21:22:19 <contradude> Thibaud: That's correct
Feb 09 21:22:43 <xaiki> Thibaud: so, I got the rwhitby binary, and it doesn't show much more.
Feb 09 21:22:59 <idontwan2know> googlemaps opened crazy fast on the veer....put my Pre oc'ed to 1ghz to shame.
Feb 09 21:23:03 <oil> the rwhitby binary?
Feb 09 21:23:05 <xaiki> Thibaud: I renamed the service, and launched it by hand.
Feb 09 21:23:05 <oil> :)
Feb 09 21:23:19 <destinal-work> idontwan2know: RAM is a lot of that
Feb 09 21:23:19 <xaiki> Thibaud: it might be because i have usbnet enabled.
Feb 09 21:23:42 <xaiki> Thibaud: the log seem to pick up only that as iface
Feb 09 21:24:57 <rwhitby> oil: the linphone 0.1.3 binary
Feb 09 21:24:59 <Thibaud> xaiki: I'm a bit lost! Did you cleaned up everything from the linphone.git you got before installing the IPK rod sent you?
Feb 09 21:25:21 <Thibaud> s/cleaned/clean/
Feb 09 21:25:21 <infobot> Thibaud meant: xaiki: I'm a bit lost! Did you clean up everything from the linphone.git you got before installing the IPK rod sent you?
Feb 09 21:25:22 <xaiki> Thibaud: I removed the package.
Feb 09 21:25:35 <xaiki> Thibaud: and removed the /media/cryptofs/..../ dir
Feb 09 21:25:36 <oil> i know, just calling it the "rwhitby binary" made me chuckle
Feb 09 21:26:14 <Thibaud> xaiki: but you also made sure there is no org.webosinternals.linphoneservice left running?
Feb 09 21:26:34 <Thibaud> xaiki: cause killall is your friend then!
Feb 09 21:26:38 <xaiki> Thibaud:yep. killed it.
Feb 09 21:26:46 <rwhitby> oil: indeed. I have no code in it :)
Feb 09 21:27:29 <contradude> so not to funsponge on the presentation today: I didn't catch any mention of webos 2.0 on older hardware. did anyone else?
Feb 09 21:27:52 <xaiki> Thibaud: weird logs are:
Feb 09 21:27:52 <xaiki> ortp-message-DNS resolution with 0.0.0.0:5060
Feb 09 21:27:53 <xaiki> ortp-message-getaddrinfo returned the following addresses:
Feb 09 21:27:53 <xaiki> ortp-message-0.0.0.0 port 5060
Feb 09 21:28:03 <xaiki> ortp-message-New local ip address is 192.168.2.101
Feb 09 21:28:03 <xaiki> ortp-message-Network state is now [UP]
Feb 09 21:28:21 <contradude> Thibaud: It went from fail to just unanswered. does linphone ring with incoming calls?
Feb 09 21:28:23 <rwhitby> contradude: that will be tonight.  irrelevant for press event
Feb 09 21:28:39 <contradude> rwhitby: I figured so, thank you so much
Feb 09 21:28:51 <Thibaud> xaiki: app *must* be installed through Preware, so you get everything properly installed & launched. Can you analyze the /var/log/messages?
Feb 09 21:29:04 <contradude> crap.
Feb 09 21:29:06 <contradude> through preware
Feb 09 21:29:10 <rwhitby> Thibaud: BTW, palm-install works too
Feb 09 21:29:13 <contradude> I used WOSQI
Feb 09 21:29:21 <rwhitby> WOSQI should work too
Feb 09 21:29:37 <keith> I'd love to test sip
Feb 09 21:29:41 <keith> but i only have 1.4.5?
Feb 09 21:29:49 <keith> i'm a voip engineer for a living in fact :)
Feb 09 21:29:56 <xaiki> Thibaud: it was installed via preware, what am I looking at in messages ?
Feb 09 21:30:03 <Thibaud> rwhitby: I thought there was still the exec mode bits issue with palm-install?
Feb 09 21:30:21 <Thibaud> xaiki: anything related to linphone!
Feb 09 21:30:25 <rwhitby> Thibaud: no, that's a palm-package problem
Feb 09 21:30:42 <swisstomcat> i've got a sip-account now, ready to test on a pre2
Feb 09 21:30:48 <RagingMind> keith, that's a handy job
Feb 09 21:30:59 <Thibaud> rwhitby: got it.
Feb 09 21:31:01 <keith> RagingMind: yea, its treated me pretty alright.
Feb 09 21:31:12 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: see /msg, report to Thibaud here or in P|C thread
Feb 09 21:31:14 <keith> thibaud, can i get the linphone ipk to use w/ 1.4.5?
Feb 09 21:31:15 <Mark_M> What's SIP? I still use MGCP.
Feb 09 21:31:24 <keith> haha i still use SCCP
Feb 09 21:31:27 <keith> but MGCP is so dead.
Feb 09 21:31:31 <idontwan2know> Gotta say, looking at the hands on vids on engadget...I don't understand why the touchpad and pre3 aren't being released sooner. They do not look like hardware that is 3-6 months from release.
Feb 09 21:31:32 <rwhitby> keith: what device and provider?
Feb 09 21:31:35 <Mark_M> So is SCCP
Feb 09 21:31:42 <keith> no, sccp isnt.
Feb 09 21:31:46 <keith> rwhitby: pre minus, sprint
Feb 09 21:31:56 <rwhitby> keith: see /msg, report to Thibaud here or in P|C thread
Feb 09 21:32:05 <keith> Mark_M: SCCP is the best hosted voip solution.
Feb 09 21:32:07 <Thibaud> contradude: incoming calls you get an asynchronous popup alert (means even when the app is not focused) with a notification. Nice bell (and whistle) left aside for the alpha... ;)
Feb 09 21:32:09 <keith> by far.
Feb 09 21:32:13 <keith> rwhitby: thx
Feb 09 21:32:30 <Mark_M> Keith, of course there are still hosted solutions using it, but the world is going to SIP.
Feb 09 21:32:49 <keith> Mark_M: thats like saying the gas combustion engine is dead because electric engines are out :P
Feb 09 21:33:17 <keith> Mark_M: i'm in meetings with broadsoft on the monthly fighting about how horrible their hosted sip product is compared to the M6 platform they also own.
Feb 09 21:33:43 <keith> its great for simple rezzy shit, but not good for biz-class features.
Feb 09 21:33:48 <xaiki> Thibaud: there's a lot !
Feb 09 21:33:59 <keith> ok, about to try linphone w/ my asterisk box
Feb 09 21:34:15 <xaiki> Thibaud: root@palm-webos-device:/# grep linphone /var/log/messages | wc -l
Feb 09 21:34:16 <xaiki> 336
Feb 09 21:34:16 <b3it> Hi, I have a Pre- & Pixi- I can test Linphone on!
Feb 09 21:34:26 <Mark_M> keith, funny you mention Broadsoft because I think that they have one of the better SIP implementations
Feb 09 21:34:48 <keith> Mark_M: who are you comparing this too?
Feb 09 21:35:01 <Mark_M> BTW Can we run linphone on 1.4.5?
Feb 09 21:35:11 <rwhitby> yes
Feb 09 21:35:21 <keith> Mark_M: sure, if you do residental shit, maybe.
Feb 09 21:35:41 <keith> Mark_M: but if youre doing hosted and selling against callmanager, broadsoft's platform looks utterly pathetic.
Feb 09 21:36:03 <Mark_M> keith, I was waiting for that comment
Feb 09 21:36:06 <xaiki> Thibaud: 2011-02-09T21:31:41.458496Z [9856] palm-webos-device user.notice ApplicationInstallerUtility: install: tried to run /media/cryptofs/apps/.scripts/org.webosinternals.linphone/pmPostInstall.script as post-install script - result = 1
Feb 09 21:36:06 <xaiki> root@palm-webos-device:/# ps auxf | grep linphone
Feb 09 21:36:06 <xaiki> root      8618  0.1  1.4  41692  3472 ?        Ssl  15:31   0:00 /var/usr/sbin/org.webosinternals.linphone.service
Feb 09 21:36:30 <keith> Mark_M: who are you comparing them against to say their 'better'?
Feb 09 21:36:33 <Mark_M> rwhitby, where can we find the IPK?
Feb 09 21:36:46 <Thibaud> xaiki: that's the appropriate service (renamed in rod's IPK so it is 2.x compatible)
Feb 09 21:36:55 <rwhitby> Mark_M: what device and provider?
Feb 09 21:37:09 <mobeatie> have a ? about linphone
Feb 09 21:37:18 <Mark_M> keith, some other time, I'm not up to a pissing match on this today. I have other battles to deal with.
Feb 09 21:37:24 <keith> hah
Feb 09 21:37:32 <Mark_M> rwhitby, Pre-, Sprint
Feb 09 21:37:35 <keith> you have an opinion, but can't back it up, cool, good chatting with you :)
Feb 09 21:37:43 <xaiki> Thibaud: sure, but even  after I put the user/pass/server it stays on POWER_ON
Feb 09 21:37:57 <xaiki> Thibaud: and when I try to call, nothing happens.
Feb 09 21:38:00 <Mark_M> keith, I'm in here frequently.  We can pick it up later.
Feb 09 21:38:20 <scoinva> SIP Client???
Feb 09 21:38:21 <rwhitby> Mark_M: see /msg, report in P|C thread
Feb 09 21:38:57 <keith> Mark_M: me too, i'm here 24/7. if you actually have reasoning behind your opinions, i'd love to hear them.
Feb 09 21:39:02 <keith> feel free to /msg
Feb 09 21:39:11 <rwhitby> please
Feb 09 21:39:11 <keith> now, time to load up filecoaster and try out this ipk
Feb 09 21:39:23 <rwhitby> ah, not fileCoaster.
Feb 09 21:39:24 <Mark_M> rwhtby, thanks Rod. already downloaded.
Feb 09 21:39:25 <Thibaud> xaiki: POWER_ON is a good start! Means the service is running & communicating with the front-end
Feb 09 21:39:52 <rwhitby> keith: delete fileCoaster from your device immediately
Feb 09 21:39:56 <contradude> Thibaud: it flashes the green dial out button for a fraction of a second on a call in but doesn't do anything else
Feb 09 21:39:57 <keith> haha what
Feb 09 21:40:02 <keith> how should i install the ipk then
Feb 09 21:40:05 <rwhitby> Preware
Feb 09 21:40:06 <contradude> preware
Feb 09 21:40:12 <keith> preware can do urls now?
Feb 09 21:40:14 <keith> sweet
Feb 09 21:40:20 <xaiki> Thibaud: sure =) but what's next, how can I know why it's not trying to register !?
Feb 09 21:40:21 <scoinva> how can I get a copy of the linphone ipk?
Feb 09 21:40:21 <contradude> filecoaster is still floating around?
Feb 09 21:40:29 <Mark_M> keith, besides today is a day to celebrate HP's announcements.
Feb 09 21:40:42 <keith> ...
Feb 09 21:41:02 <rwhitby> xaiki: dunno, we're not in support mode yet, so you'll need to start debugging yourself.
Feb 09 21:41:03 <Mark_M> Man, people are slamming Sprint on Twitter
Feb 09 21:41:07 <keith> i really dont believe hype until i have devices in my hand, personally
Feb 09 21:41:19 <Thibaud> xaiki: welcome to alpha testing! I definitely need to plug the onFailure call-backs... ;)
Feb 09 21:41:20 <xaiki> Thibaud: when changing things in prefs, I see nothing on dbus-monitor, I guess it's where it should send info no ?
Feb 09 21:41:36 <Suruat> Thibaud can I join the Alpha..
Feb 09 21:41:58 <Mark_M> rwhitby, are you looking for feedback against different carriers and configurations?
Feb 09 21:41:58 <xaiki> Thibaud: ok, I'll just wait for my toolchain to finish building then =)
Feb 09 21:42:11 <rwhitby> Mark_M: yep, in the P|C thread pleas
Feb 09 21:42:13 <xaiki> Thibaud: main dev is git.WOSI ?
Feb 09 21:42:14 <Suruat> I have Pre, Pre2, and Preplus I can test :D
Feb 09 21:42:31 <Thibaud> xaiki: if you got POWER_ON on the front-end, communication it believed to be OK. Can you throw away the app & relaunch?
Feb 09 21:42:37 <rwhitby> Suruat: see /msg, report in P|C thread
Feb 09 21:42:44 <Josef_B> wow
Feb 09 21:42:50 <xaiki> Thibaud: stays POWER_ON
Feb 09 21:42:50 <Josef_B> that touchpad is slow
Feb 09 21:42:57 <Josef_B> http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/mobile-devices/hp-touchpad-tablet-hands-on-demo/
Feb 09 21:43:02 <Mark_M> Long install through Internalz
Feb 09 21:43:13 <rwhitby> use Preware
Feb 09 21:43:30 <rwhitby> reduce the number of variables
Feb 09 21:43:31 <xaiki> Thibaud: conf does stay accross relaunch.
Feb 09 21:43:53 <mobeatie> so i got it to make calls no problem but cant receive on pre- (linphone) any advice
Feb 09 21:44:16 <Thibaud> xaiki: it usually stays POWER_ON when there's not enough information to register. Did you see name, password & domain in the prefs?
Feb 09 21:44:26 * rwhitby bbl - any more alpha tester candidates will have to wait for later
Feb 09 21:44:33 <contradude> mobeatie: same issue here. who is your sip provider?
Feb 09 21:44:50 <xaiki> Thibaud: yep. filled all of those, tryied with sip:, user, user@host, sip:user@host
Feb 09 21:44:58 <xaiki> Thibaud: even tried with proxy
Feb 09 21:47:06 <contradude> Thibaud: looks like mobeatie and I are having the can call out but not receive issue
Feb 09 21:47:13 <contradude> we're on two different sip providers
Feb 09 21:47:18 <contradude> but both with sprint pres
Feb 09 21:47:50 <Thibaud> xaiki: Proxy will be set from Domain unless specified. For now, you must give bare name, password & domain separately, without any "sip:" or "@"
Feb 09 21:48:06 <xaiki> Thibaud: found it.
Feb 09 21:48:07 <scoinva> i have a SIP account
Feb 09 21:48:11 <xaiki> Thibaud: my username has '_' in it.
Feb 09 21:48:25 <rob> I have a SIP account
Feb 09 21:48:38 <xaiki> removing the '_' it changes to reg_pending.
Feb 09 21:49:18 <Thibaud> xaiki: sorry then, my mistake: the name is not allowed for '_'. I'll fix it asap, but I need to get away from the chat. Killer thing ;)
Feb 09 21:49:50 <contradude> lol yeah we'll bug you to death
Feb 09 21:50:03 <sebastianha> Thibaud: any more sip app testers wanted?
Feb 09 21:50:11 <Thibaud> contradude, mobeatie: Sprint Pres are just fine so far, I have one running 1.4.0 (the same one that first ran linphone BTW)
Feb 09 21:50:12 <dgathright> Josef_B: Yeah, certain animations did appear slow to me as well.  The device itself isn't, it's just tough to get iOS-like animations with CSS & JS.
Feb 09 21:50:13 <rob> Yes plz
Feb 09 21:50:31 <contradude> i'm on 1.4.5, would that be an issue?
Feb 09 21:50:46 <xaiki> rwhitby: where do the js logs get outputed ?
Feb 09 21:51:02 <xaiki> rwhitby: i.e. how to get them ?
Feb 09 21:51:14 <kbywal> Hi Thibaud. I am interested in alpha testing of LinPhone (already have a SIP account at iptel.org and would like to test both Pre2 and the old Pre). This app is like getting a new Pre again (btw, already donated)
Feb 09 21:52:17 <Mark_M> rwhitby, Preware install failed after download with Unable to run command
Feb 09 21:52:58 <Mark_M> rwhitby, /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify...
Feb 09 21:53:04 <xaiki> Thibaud: is it in <Thibaud> xaiki: sorry then, my mistake: the name is not allowed for '_'. I'll                       |
Feb 09 21:53:04 <xaiki>           fix it asap, but I need to get away from the chat. Killer thing ;)                         |
Feb 09 21:53:30 <scoinva> kbywal - I just pinged Thibaud with the same question.
Feb 09 21:53:55 <xaiki> Thibaud: is it in the C ? I see ALLOWED_CHARS
Feb 09 21:54:07 <scoinva> he explained -> wait for the public version.
Feb 09 21:54:10 <Thibaud> xaiki: yep
Feb 09 21:54:18 <scoinva> which I understood.
Feb 09 21:55:00 <kbywal> @scoinva: yes, I saw your post
Feb 09 21:56:22 <kbywal> Hope we can still join the alpha testing team of linphone
Feb 09 21:56:34 <Thibaud> sebastianha: what device & SIP provider
Feb 09 21:57:01 <Thibaud> kbywal: what device & SIP provider
Feb 09 21:57:06 <sebastianha> Thibaud: I have a fritzbox here supporting SIP a pixi plus, old pre and preplus running 1.4.5 and dev 2.0
Feb 09 21:57:24 <Thibaud> scoinva: what device & SIP provider
Feb 09 21:57:51 <scoinva> Palm Pre Plus
Feb 09 21:57:55 <scoinva> Gizmo5
Feb 09 21:58:11 <xaiki> Thibaud: hotpatched, and it now registers =)
Feb 09 21:58:15 <xaiki> Thibaud: you == awesome.
Feb 09 21:58:24 <Thibaud> sebastianha: Pre only, or you'll crash the audio on the Pixi. see /msg, please report in P|C thread so we can track when off the grid. Link follows
Feb 09 21:58:29 <scoinva> before Google took Gizmo5 private.
Feb 09 21:58:51 <sebastianha> Thibaud: thx
Feb 09 21:59:07 <scoinva> proxy01.sipphone.com
Feb 09 21:59:29 <Thibaud> xaiki: good to know, happy alpha testing (you did it already!)
Feb 09 21:59:52 <kbywal> Thibaud: I have both: Pre2 and Pre and have a SIP account at iptel.org and sip.linphone.org.
Feb 09 22:00:02 <Thibaud> scoinva: see /msg, please report in P|C thread so we can track when off the grid. Link follows
Feb 09 22:01:46 <Thibaud> kbywal: you'll feel almost home then! see /msg, please report in P|C thread so we can track when off the grid. Link follows...
Feb 09 22:02:36 <Suruat> where is the link for the linphone p/c forum?
Feb 09 22:04:11 <RagingMind> I guess it might help if I figured out how to make SIP work on my network in general
Feb 09 22:04:12 <kbywal> Thibaud: thx.
Feb 09 22:05:55 <keith> sweet it works!
Feb 09 22:06:26 <xaiki> Thibaud: ok, I'll let you do the patch =)
Feb 09 22:06:45 <keith> against my asterisk box over the internet.
Feb 09 22:07:01 <Thibaud> RagingMind: wanna elaborate?
Feb 09 22:07:35 <RagingMind> well I don't have a dial out account, just a free one form ekiga.net so I"m not sure I can do much anyway
Feb 09 22:07:43 <RagingMind> but I can't seem to get ekiga to work either
Feb 09 22:08:10 <RagingMind> an error about not being able to set up the network, so I"m reading through their wiki
Feb 09 22:09:05 <Thibaud> RagingMind: sorry, please sort out SIP issues first with another client. Alpha support is already weird...
Feb 09 22:09:34 <RagingMind> yeah... I"m working on it.  it's been a long while since I had it running
Feb 09 22:09:57 <RagingMind> will there be support to call non-phone numbers?  like blah@ekiga.net?
Feb 09 22:10:28 <Mark_M> How often does linphone try to register? 60 seconds?
Feb 09 22:10:41 <scoinva> install linphone ipk failed via Preware
Feb 09 22:10:51 <Thibaud> Suruat: link or app?
Feb 09 22:11:01 <scoinva> trying WebOS DR now...
Feb 09 22:11:08 <scoinva> link worked
Feb 09 22:11:12 <xaiki> RagingMind: that should be trivial.
Feb 09 22:11:38 <RagingMind> and does/will it work on a Pixi? :)
Feb 09 22:12:00 <scoinva> See Linphone -> Error Installing: See IPKG Log -> Nothing interesting -> Palm Pre Plus
Feb 09 22:12:19 <scoinva> using _arm.ipk
Feb 09 22:12:37 <Thibaud> Mark_M: the webOS Linphone will perform registration on start and stop on fail. Any preference update will restart it for a single shot. When registered, it will confirm registration every hour, unless a call failed with CALL_ERROR
Feb 09 22:13:44 <robertjw> HP announced today the webOS TouchPad, as you know.  I'm wondering if anyone knows if this product will come with vendor-supported root like the Pre's?
Feb 09 22:14:34 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 09 22:14:52 <Thibaud> RagingMind: support for non-phone numbers and pixi in the work...
Feb 09 22:15:12 <idontwan2know> And....no OTA updates to 2.0 for devices older than the Pre2.
Feb 09 22:15:24 <RagingMind> Thibaud, yay!
Feb 09 22:15:26 <idontwan2know> That's...upsetting.
Feb 09 22:15:49 <RagingMind> idontwan2know, where'd that come from?
Feb 09 22:15:58 <idontwan2know> Precentral
Feb 09 22:16:16 <idontwan2know> Just got posted 15 minutes ago
Feb 09 22:16:20 <dkirker-pre> Thibaud: Congrats on getting linphone on webOS!
Feb 09 22:16:25 <scoinva> Linphone IPK installed using WebOSQuickInstall. It started. Using Palm Pre Plus. Preware install did not.
Feb 09 22:18:02 <Thibaud> dkirker-pre: thank you, this is much appreciated!
Feb 09 22:18:43 <idontwan2know> There is at least the possibility that doctor versions will be made available for older devices...we'll see.
Feb 09 22:19:12 <dkirker-pre> Thibaud: Did you have to do anything special for audio?
Feb 09 22:24:02 <mobeatie> still cant receive sip calls any one else have this problem sending no problem
Feb 09 22:24:08 <tlp> idontwan2know: not happy with that either...
Feb 09 22:25:02 <Thibaud> dkirker-pre: yes, quite a few and that went harder on 1.4.5 compared to 1.4.0. pulseaudio-0.9.4 has many issues where NULL arguments just kill the app, not to mention the pulseaudio daemon crashing on default streams
Feb 09 22:25:38 <RagingMind> SIP/Network people, any idea what gaming mode is on a dlink router and if it would help with VoIP stuff?
Feb 09 22:26:41 <Thibaud> mobeatie: you are quite a few people reporting call-out fine but no call-in. Please provide detailed information in the linphone-alpha thread @ P|C so we can get the pattern
Feb 09 22:27:03 <Thibaud> s/information/context information/
Feb 09 22:27:05 <infobot> Thibaud meant: mobeatie: you are quite a few people reporting call-out fine but no call-in. Please provide detailed context information in the linphone-alpha thread @ P|C so we can get the pattern
Feb 09 22:30:01 <kall> seems like that "webos 2.0 comming soon to this device" image is gone from the pixi plus product site
Feb 09 22:30:05 <kall> figures
Feb 09 22:32:05 <scoinva> bing f'n O!!! LinPhone just rang the phone!
Feb 09 22:32:27 <scoinva> further testing now...
Feb 09 22:38:27 <RagingMind> yay! now Ekiga works... onto linphone
Feb 09 22:41:34 <Thibaud> RagingMind: all good!
Feb 09 22:43:11 <idontwan2know> Hmm...well, if there's not a 2.x doctor available for the sprint pre by the end of march, I'll be getting an Evo.
Feb 09 22:45:29 <oil> lol
Feb 09 22:45:29 <contradude> goodness
Feb 09 22:45:38 <contradude> I don't think I've seen this much mad in a long time
Feb 09 22:45:57 <contradude> my family has 4 pres
Feb 09 22:46:10 <contradude> so I'm probably 4x angrier than others
Feb 09 22:46:21 <contradude> I'm just waiting until an official release from palm
Feb 09 22:46:32 <contradude> or at least the end of the dev thing
Feb 09 22:46:35 <contradude> when is that?
Feb 09 22:46:42 <dgathright> If they can handle it (which we've been told they can), not upgrading legacy devices to webos2.0 is ridiculous.  If your users are happier using 2+ year old devices as opposed to upgrading to the latest, you obviously have failed with the device revisions.
Feb 09 22:48:03 <RagingMind> if the system changed a lot I can see an OTA being complicated, but I'd be more than happy to wipe my phone completely clean for an update
Feb 09 22:48:29 <idontwan2know> If there's a doctor, I'm fine with doing the update that way.
Feb 09 22:48:42 <RagingMind> heck... I'd travel into a verizon store and sign something if it meant I could get an update
Feb 09 22:49:43 <idontwan2know> I am NOT fine with being stuck on 1.4.5 for 10 more months until my next upgrade is available.
Feb 09 22:49:48 <muesli> what's actually the situation with webos2 on old pres? since it's opensource, i'm a bit surprised nobody has build an image yet
Feb 09 22:50:21 <idontwan2know> HP needs to issue some kind of statement about this ASAP.
Feb 09 22:50:36 <oil> WEBOS IS NOT OPENSOURCE
Feb 09 22:51:11 <contradude> +1
Feb 09 22:51:15 <rwhitby> yeah, it's not open source.
Feb 09 22:52:27 <contradude> rwhitby: is there a developer event tonight?
Feb 09 22:52:41 <contradude> I can't seem to find any info on it
Feb 09 22:52:52 <RagingMind> many open components does not an open source OS make
Feb 09 22:53:57 <xaiki> Thibaud: rwhitby: bothering again, almost got it building, did you guys make packages for the linphone stuff into WIPDK or just built everything and dropped in-place ?
Feb 09 22:55:08 <rwhitby> xaiki: build.git pulls stuff from linphone.git and packages it
Feb 09 22:57:54 <muesli> ok, apparently i got that all wrong then...
Feb 09 22:59:42 <muesli> i always thought they deliver their webos apps in source
Feb 09 23:09:48 <Jovialmonk>  
Feb 09 23:12:19 <mdogg> Good morning
Feb 09 23:12:33 <mdogg> are you still open to alpha testers for voip?
Feb 09 23:13:36 <rwhitby> what device and SIP provider?
Feb 09 23:13:58 <mdogg> palm pre gsm, sip2sip and freespeak
Feb 09 23:14:11 <Jovialmonk> Evening from Toronto. Also wondering if I can alpha test the sip client?
Feb 09 23:15:38 <rwhitby> Jovialmonk: what device and SIP provider?
Feb 09 23:15:52 <Jovialmonk> bit of a different scenario though. I do voip in my job (work for Bell). Have a palm pre cdma.
Feb 09 23:16:12 <rwhitby> mdogg, Jovialmonk: see /msg - report in P|C thread
Feb 09 23:16:33 <Jovialmonk> will do. thx.
Feb 09 23:16:35 <scoinva> I wrote up my testing results
Feb 09 23:16:42 <scoinva> for the LinPhone software
Feb 09 23:17:13 <scoinva> Can I post a link to the document here?
Feb 09 23:17:38 <xaiki> rwhitby: hum... I may have mis-expressed myself, how do you build the C service ?
Feb 09 23:19:06 <rwhitby> xaiki: Thibaud builds it in cross-compile.git - I have not been able to replicate that yet, but all sources are in the repo.
Feb 09 23:19:31 <scoinva> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MxetDPxC5AFTXEkfyrqMA8cgURc455Jh65qN_xlUrxQ/edit?hl=en&authkey=CKn_370C
Feb 09 23:19:33 <Josef_B> i would test but i don\t have a sip account
Feb 09 23:19:40 <scoinva> Here is my testing results so far
Feb 09 23:27:32 <RagingMind> I keep getting "REG_PENDING" in linphone, but I didn't when I first ran it
Feb 09 23:28:55 <destinal-work> yay for "tools in the garage unlocked"
Feb 09 23:29:24 <scoinva> RagingMind: your SIP Preferences might be incorrect.
Feb 09 23:29:48 <RagingMind> they worked the first time and I haven't changed them
Feb 09 23:30:02 <RagingMind> it happened after I accidentally tried to call a number
Feb 09 23:30:23 <scoinva> RagingMind: ah. Ya. I'm just a tester. Maybe restart app?
Feb 09 23:30:55 <RagingMind> did that, haven't restarted the phone yet though
Feb 09 23:31:34 * rwhitby watches event video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnjwG7Z8AM8
Feb 09 23:31:50 <scoinva> Should Linphone be able to receive calls?
Feb 09 23:33:39 <scoinva> I see Linphone in the feed now.
Feb 09 23:35:57 <rwhitby> I doubt that.  You see your installed copy.
Feb 09 23:41:33 <xaiki> rwhitby: http://hiegel.fr/~xaiki/0001-Fontconfig-used-to-fail-with.patch
Feb 09 23:41:51 <xaiki> rwhitby: this fixes make stage for me in cross-compile.git
Feb 09 23:43:46 <RagingMind> restarted phone and now I get "REG_OK"  yay!
Feb 09 23:52:03 <RagingMind> I got a call connected!  no audio though at all
Feb 09 23:52:43 <scoinva> turn up the volume :)
Feb 09 23:55:56 <RagingMind> didn't help :(
Feb 09 23:59:02 <scoinva> successfully able to receive a call on the Linphone.
Feb 09 23:59:25 <scoinva> the answer bar throw me off.
Feb 10 00:10:18 <destinal-work> hmm, signs are that the new toys will not be on sprint :(
Feb 10 00:12:27 <hemna> can you get a Tablet w/o a cell modem?
Feb 10 00:12:32 <hemna> re: Sprint
Feb 10 00:13:03 <rwhitby> yes
Feb 10 00:13:43 <hemna> phew
Feb 10 00:13:53 <hemna> but the Pre3 won't be on Sprint?
Feb 10 00:14:05 <rwhitby> nothing has been announced
Feb 10 00:14:41 <rwhitby> that's up to Sprint, not HP.
Feb 10 00:18:09 <Josef_B> isn't evdo cdma ?
Feb 10 00:18:25 <Josef_B> most likely verizon or sprint correct ?
Feb 10 00:18:45 <halfhalo> more than likely its going to be vzw only in the states
Feb 10 00:20:46 <hemna> boo
Feb 10 00:21:26 <dgathright> Josef_B: Considering "summer" is 2 years from the Pre1 launch, I'd imagine it'll be Sprint, but who knows.
Feb 10 00:21:46 <dgathright> just a guessing game at this point.
Feb 10 00:22:10 <dgathright> Hell, maybe the device will be ready but they won't have yet found a carrier for it by launch (see: Pre2)
Feb 10 00:38:25 * Josef_B is on break watching palmeven on youtube
Feb 10 00:53:58 <mobeatie> getting a "waiting for service to come up..." error
Feb 10 00:54:34 <mobeatie> sorry will post on p|c
Feb 10 00:57:18 <destinal-work> wow even dual core touchpad seems pretty slow, but perhaps because of its early state
Feb 10 00:57:50 <bpadalino> destinal-work: which video are you watching ?
Feb 10 00:58:25 <rwhitby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnjwG7Z8AM8
Feb 10 00:58:43 <bpadalino> ah, i am 8m into it
Feb 10 01:13:11 <xaiki> rwhitby: http://hiegel.fr/~xaiki/0001-Fontconfig-used-to-fail-with.patch (plz ack or forward me to who maintains cross-compile)
Feb 10 01:14:50 * rick-work has long admired apples magnetic connectors and is happy to see hp adopting them
Feb 10 01:15:02 * scoutcamper hates them
Feb 10 01:15:15 <scoutcamper> i like the micro usb
Feb 10 01:15:37 <contradude> they should just use microwaves
Feb 10 01:15:48 <contradude> large wattage chargers
Feb 10 01:15:49 <rick-work> why hate sc?
Feb 10 01:16:11 <contradude> bonus: can warm ramen on the charger while not charging
Feb 10 01:16:20 <oil> funky adaptor means:
Feb 10 01:16:23 <oil> now nothing you own works
Feb 10 01:16:28 <oil> all 12 usb cables
Feb 10 01:16:49 <rwhitby> xaiki: ack
Feb 10 01:17:01 <rick-work> just means new market opportunity for MonoPrice cables.
Feb 10 01:17:08 <oil> over at your friends house, needing a quick charge, oh, he doesn't have specialAdaptor4 cable
Feb 10 01:17:10 <oil> no power :(
Feb 10 01:17:43 <rick-work> happens now.
Feb 10 01:17:51 <rwhitby> xaiki: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=commit;h=0366fe6438651b59af05bfdea6256560d607e55c
Feb 10 01:17:53 <rick-work> friend's phone power plug is round.
Feb 10 01:17:56 <rick-work> friend has macs
Feb 10 01:18:01 <oil> yeah
Feb 10 01:18:04 <rick-work> friend has weirdo sanyo plug
Feb 10 01:18:18 <oil> just because everyone does it, doesn't mean its good
Feb 10 01:18:19 <rick-work> this doesn't make it worse...  and I like the way they FUNCTION
Feb 10 01:18:29 <xaiki> rwhitby: cheers thanks !
Feb 10 01:18:38 <rick-work> we need an international standard for magnetic plugs....
Feb 10 01:18:57 <rick-work> they're pretty cool and micro usb is so hard to plug in.
Feb 10 01:19:04 * rick-work HATES plugging in his nook 
Feb 10 01:19:15 <oil> <3 touchstone
Feb 10 01:19:20 <rick-work> right
Feb 10 01:19:40 <destinal-work> rick-work: touchstone would be a nice hw mod for nc :)
Feb 10 01:19:43 <rick-work> neato adjustable touchstone for pad
Feb 10 01:19:51 <rick-work> destinal,  good idea
Feb 10 01:20:02 <oil> that stand is the ts for the pad?
Feb 10 01:20:10 <rick-work> yep
Feb 10 01:20:13 <oil> nice indeed
Feb 10 01:20:33 <rick-work> unless I mis-understood.  We can ask ka6sox later
Feb 10 01:20:46 <Josef_B> oil i will eventually by a touchtone
Feb 10 01:21:04 <oil> do current touchstones work with pre3/veer?
Feb 10 01:21:34 <scoutcamper> oil, in the demo portion of the presentation he puts a Pre3 on old touchstone
Feb 10 01:21:44 <rwhitby> nice
Feb 10 01:22:07 <oil> thats good
Feb 10 01:22:20 <destinal-work> rick-work: I think I'd like one of those new touchpad stands for nc anyway, looks handy
Feb 10 01:23:39 <Josef_B> w00t american idol tonight
Feb 10 01:23:40 <Josef_B> lol
Feb 10 01:25:39 <scoutcamper|away> bbl
Feb 10 02:54:58 <jelatta> rwhitby, have you seen the serval project? seems like a good idea to bring to webOS too
Feb 10 02:55:26 <oil> serval project hm?
Feb 10 02:55:40 <jelatta> mesh phone
Feb 10 02:55:49 <oil> ah
Feb 10 02:56:38 <jelatta> seems like a sweet idea in light of the egypt issues
Feb 10 02:58:56 <jelatta> they're in AU and bringing it to android
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