**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 10 02:59:57 2011 Feb 10 03:00:01 yeah, heard of them Feb 10 03:00:12 now we have some sort of VoIP solution we can look at that Feb 10 03:00:48 thats what i was thinking Feb 10 03:13:34 does anyone know the range on the pre's hotspot? Feb 10 03:16:19 jelatta: seems to be comparable to a standard wifi router Feb 10 03:16:50 I've had people using it two stories above me in my house Feb 10 03:17:23 destinal-work: thanks Feb 10 03:42:51 So who wrote "Is it confirmed that @palm is breaking the promise to OTA legacy devices to #webOS 2.0? Will we need to step in to help folks upgrade?" on your twitter? Now that it's confirmed legacy devices aren't getting it (http://goo.gl/fyQVI), any plans to speak of? Feb 10 03:43:10 Nrbelex: that would be me. Feb 10 03:43:26 Nrbelex: depends what the next step from Palm is. Feb 10 03:44:46 rwhitby: It doesn't sound like their next step includes software. I would say now is a good time to solicit donations in return for a stab at bringing 2.X to legacy devices. Feb 10 03:46:36 I'm following the instructions on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash and I see two .tar files (castlecdma_evt1_fw.tar and castleumtsfw.tar). In the instructions it says castleumtsfw.tar is for GSM and I have a Sprint Pre. Does that mean I use castlecdma_evt1_fw.tar even though the page says it should be called castlecdmafw.tar? Feb 10 03:55:51 twbbas: it never says it should be called that Feb 10 03:56:27 err except that one line where some wildcards vanished :) Feb 10 03:57:18 note the #PmModemUpdater -f < /tmp/castlecdma_evt1_fw.tar Feb 10 03:57:48 Ok, thanks. Feb 10 03:57:58 I'm very nervous. Never did any of this linux stuff before Feb 10 03:58:04 Hope I don't break my phone for good Feb 10 03:58:15 twbbas: did you have a modem stop working? Feb 10 03:58:19 Yeah Feb 10 03:58:24 It stopped working yesterday Feb 10 03:58:40 I toggled airplane mode, restarted, battery pull, and it fixed it last night Feb 10 03:58:49 then it happened again this afternoon and none of those fixes work Feb 10 03:59:06 I tried doctoring but that didn't help :( Feb 10 03:59:29 yeah, I'd give this a shot. only thing it could hurt would be your modem and that's already not working Feb 10 03:59:49 hi destinal Feb 10 03:59:55 I'm out of warranty and everything :( Feb 10 04:00:07 mrvc: hey! been a while! how are you? Feb 10 04:00:49 destinal-work: yeah -- doing good thanks... how've you been? Feb 10 04:01:34 very good. just checking out all the event stuff from today regarding the new webos devices and just recently the enyo announcement Feb 10 04:01:52 destinal-work: the event today got me too Feb 10 04:02:06 I was going to be in San Francisco tonight but my training class got cancelled that was going to have me in town at the same time Feb 10 04:02:17 wish I could have gone in person Feb 10 04:02:24 destinal-work: yeah, looks like it was fun Feb 10 04:02:44 destinal-work: sorry you missed it Feb 10 04:03:35 destinal-work: disappointed about no webos 2 for pre- Feb 10 04:03:58 mrvc: don't worry too much about that, if HP doesn't do it, homebrew community will :) Feb 10 04:04:01 I'm sure we'll get it somehow Feb 10 04:04:10 destinal-work: pre 3 would be fun, but sprint probably won't carry it Feb 10 04:04:35 mrvc: yeah I think the best bet right now is to do a comm board swap to move a pre2 to sprint Feb 10 04:04:59 destinal-work: I'm certainly willing to do that Feb 10 04:05:06 sprint is making me slightly mad Feb 10 04:05:06 just sayin Feb 10 04:05:23 contradude: yeah, I don't think I'd be any happier with vzw or att tho :( Feb 10 04:05:27 contradude: yeah -- I think they just got burned on all the pre- returns that they just wrote it off Feb 10 04:05:31 and certainly wouldn't pay any less Feb 10 04:05:43 pre 3 =/= pre 1 Feb 10 04:05:57 and they tried to get them to take pre + and pre 2 Feb 10 04:06:03 contradude: companies can hoold irrational grudges too Feb 10 04:06:05 both of which were much sturdier Feb 10 04:06:41 I understand, all they have on sprint is 2 old flagship droid phones and a crappy kyocera thing Feb 10 04:06:44 new hardware = good Feb 10 04:08:00 I'm still really happy with my pre- -- some of the new 2.x features would be nice, and more speed would help Feb 10 04:08:28 I'm pretty happy but if we get passed up, I'll be three generations behind Feb 10 04:09:29 mrvc: I'm very very close to having webos 2.x working on castle, just this issue with the TI sgx libraries Feb 10 04:09:52 course that's where I've been for weeks Feb 10 04:09:57 destinal-work: oh yeah? what is the issue? Feb 10 04:10:19 i was umm... Feb 10 04:10:37 running 2.0 for a day on my pre Feb 10 04:10:45 * contradude ducks behind desk Feb 10 04:11:10 contradude: Did it esplode? Feb 10 04:11:17 no Feb 10 04:11:23 That's good. Feb 10 04:11:27 just some software bugs in the databases Feb 10 04:11:34 some weirdness with contacts Feb 10 04:11:38 otherwise pretty good Feb 10 04:13:21 mrvc: I've got to sit down and write it up, but the TI powervr graphics core needs a kernel module and some pvr libraries and they have to match. the stuff in webos 2.0.1 for pre2 doctor is for a slightly different SoC architecture with a newer revision of the SGX core, and replacing the versions with those from pre don't work since there are a couple of new libraries I haven't found in TI's official release Feb 10 04:14:28 reverse engineering them may be possible or if palm would release that package of binaries for castle or any doctor image for 2.x for castle for any carrier we could use that Feb 10 04:14:53 unfortunately nothing like that exists publically at the moment Feb 10 04:15:14 what about a sketch version? Feb 10 04:15:19 I have a leaked sprint one Feb 10 04:15:34 or is that really asking for it? Feb 10 04:15:46 leaked 2.1 or 2.0.1 Feb 10 04:15:53 that is the precise definition of asking for it Feb 10 04:16:15 destinal-work: doesn't sound easy Feb 10 04:16:16 all I saw was barleywine I think Feb 10 04:16:27 it was built in december Feb 10 04:16:37 i'm guessing 2.0.1 Feb 10 04:16:44 contradude: we can't have anything to do with distributing that. but if you have that, you have what you need, you only need instructions on how to assemble all the pieces Feb 10 04:16:58 I'd prefer if there were some public doctor Feb 10 04:17:04 yeah Feb 10 04:17:06 that we could just grab that file from Feb 10 04:17:07 we'll see Feb 10 04:17:25 it should happen some day soon Feb 10 04:18:20 I am hoping that hp throws a 2.1 version of the Doctor out there for the HB community to use on existing devices Feb 10 04:18:52 what version is current for pre2, still 2.0.1? Feb 10 04:18:57 Hi everyone Feb 10 04:19:05 Thibaud, by proxy do you mean the outbound proxy? Feb 10 04:19:07 yeah 2.0.1 Feb 10 04:19:21 Mark_M: yep Feb 10 04:19:28 Mark_M: if they can just give us one single IPK, homebrew community can handle the rest.. actually .. .hmmm Feb 10 04:19:31 I wonder Feb 10 04:19:48 destinal-work: I'm getting this error ( http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1849/captureve.jpg ) when I try and type on novaterm to do the modem flash. If I keep clicking continue after every character I'm able to type. Will this wreck my phone if I do this or is this just my computer's issue? Feb 10 04:19:59 destinal-work, exactly Feb 10 04:20:36 twbbas: 64 bit? Feb 10 04:20:42 yes Feb 10 04:20:48 Thibaud, ...and a re-registration is forced every time I change a preference setting Feb 10 04:20:54 there's a better novaterm to try that's fixed for 64 Feb 10 04:21:16 destinal-work: httpipkgunbuild? Feb 10 04:21:38 Mark_M: yep! Would you expect something else? Feb 10 04:21:40 destinal-work: Where at? Feb 10 04:21:57 Thibaud, no, just confirming the obvious. Feb 10 04:22:05 rwhitby: hahaha, yeah that could do it Feb 10 04:22:35 destinal-work: Found it browsing webos-internals.org Feb 10 04:22:48 on the other hand, it just occurred to me that maybe we could just *ask* Feb 10 04:22:49 Thibaud, is there a background service running? When I close Linphone does the application close completely? I can't have more than 2 devices registered with my VoIP provider Feb 10 04:22:56 rwhitby: ask the update service that is Feb 10 04:23:41 what's one ipk amongst friends? Feb 10 04:23:50 destinal-work: ah, yes. Feb 10 04:24:45 Mark_M: sure there is a service behind! But you are right, the service remains registered even when you dismiss the (headless) app. I'll add an option so you can choose to unregister on dismiss or not. Would that fit? Feb 10 04:25:36 Thibaud, indeed Feb 10 04:25:39 Thibaud, that would be great. It would allow me to use another phone or client and shutdown Linphone. For now I'll do it the old fashioned way with kill. Feb 10 04:25:42 All, I'm having a hard time building media/libsndfile in cross-compile.git @ Ubuntu 9.10. The issue is aclocal-1.9 (or autom4te) growing a file indefinitely. Can't get through, need to compile linphone for armv6/pixi Feb 10 04:25:55 Modem Flasher is running. Please don't brick my phone, Modem Flasher! =p Feb 10 04:26:39 Mark_M: no, don't kill! Simply add a letter to the name in the prefs (I do 'x') and the app will re-register ... wrong. Feb 10 04:26:54 destinal, that's a very interesting point. Feb 10 04:27:19 If palm has webos 2.x available for some phone on a feed somewhere due to an update service download.... Feb 10 04:27:26 is that a "public" posting? Feb 10 04:27:36 Thibaud, okay...will do. Feb 10 04:27:41 Thx Feb 10 04:27:55 does it require a profile being at least faked to download it? Feb 10 04:30:02 destinal-work: what do you think about the claim that castle can't handle 2.x? Feb 10 04:30:36 rwhitby: sorry to focus on you! All, I'm having a hard time building media/libsndfile in cross-compile.git @ Ubuntu 9.10. The issue is aclocal-1.9 (or autom4te) growing a file indefinitely. Can't get through, need to compile linphone for armv6/pixi Feb 10 04:30:43 destinal-work: as an excuse for why there's no OTA update Feb 10 04:31:06 mrvc: castle can handle it. Feb 10 04:31:24 if overclocked to 1ghz Feb 10 04:31:39 it's similar in performance to pre2 Feb 10 04:31:50 unfortunately RAM is an issue Feb 10 04:31:51 Thibaud, I can relate to that. I always stumble there Feb 10 04:32:15 Mark_M: you mean libsndfile, right? Feb 10 04:32:21 now pre+ has as much RAM as pre2, so it should be just fine Feb 10 04:32:57 Thibaud, no the makefile stuff with aclocal Feb 10 04:34:43 destinal-work: yeah, I suspected ram was the main issue Feb 10 04:34:47 Thibaud, then again I'm still farting around getting Linphone to register with a Broadsoft app server. I had it with one device now I am trying multiple devices Feb 10 04:35:34 mrvc: It may be more that Palm doesn't think it can give the performance they want people to think of when they think of webos 2.x Feb 10 04:35:52 which, with things like flash running, it might get tight Feb 10 04:36:29 destinal-work: would be great if they could focus more on streamlining the OS, but I know that's not the way of things Feb 10 04:36:46 destinal-work: The modem flasher looks like it's stuck. It's been on this "Finished Detecting Modem" for about 4 mins now Feb 10 04:36:51 What should I do? Feb 10 04:37:01 twbbas: I would leave it alone for a very long time Feb 10 04:37:04 twbbas, let it run Feb 10 04:37:17 twbbas, last time i did it it took 20 min Feb 10 04:38:10 Okay. In the instructions it said it'll only take 2 mins so I was worried Feb 10 04:40:26 twbbas: I think especially with modems that are in a bad state it can take much much longer Feb 10 04:40:33 not sure why Feb 10 04:42:04 alrighty Feb 10 04:42:11 I'll do a little bit of coding while I wait Feb 10 04:51:56 does the 2.0 webosdoctor just work on the original pre? Feb 10 04:52:42 nope Feb 10 04:53:16 epyon22, negativwe Feb 10 04:53:20 it can be hacked to almost work but we're missing one package for original pre graphics that's different on pre2 Feb 10 04:53:41 ohh ok that's what I was wondering Feb 10 04:54:08 I was confused to not see anything about it on the wiki Feb 10 04:55:33 just found out today that they decided not to release the ota updat Feb 10 05:05:31 Starting to get worried. It's been 30 mins. :o Feb 10 05:05:52 I'll just keep waiting and waiting. Feb 10 05:09:29 Is this guy just pulling everybody's leg? http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/274781-official-no-ota-webos-2-x-updates-existing-devices-thread-36.html#post2858245 Feb 10 05:10:39 Looks that way... Feb 10 05:12:34 Man I really hope my battery doesn't die on me Feb 10 05:12:38 during this modem flash Feb 10 05:12:50 a Feb 10 05:22:19 Someone on the forum is claiming the 2.0.1 Drs are online - true/helpful? http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/274781-official-no-ota-webos-2-x-updates-existing-devices-thread-37.html#post2858339 Feb 10 05:23:20 not true Feb 10 05:33:45 hmm, question. I used to be able to SSH into my pre via USB but it no longer works. I can SSH in via wifi just fine. I ran usbnet enable again just to be sure, but still no luck. also I have two usb network interfaces showing in ifconfig Feb 10 05:34:49 destinal-work: I'm really concerned. It's going on 1 hr now for my modem flash. My battery's probably going to run out soon as the screen's been on this whole time. It's still stuck at "Finished Detecting Modem!" Feb 10 05:35:32 twbbas: are you watching the doctor log to see what it is doing? Feb 10 05:35:45 The console stuff? Feb 10 05:35:50 In Novaterm Feb 10 05:35:50 a modem flash takes no more than 5 minutes Feb 10 05:36:01 Some people said it's taken them 20 minutes Feb 10 05:36:04 the output from java -jar Doctor.jar Feb 10 05:36:05 So I just left it Feb 10 05:36:15 the whole doctors may take 20 minutes Feb 10 05:36:20 How do I do that on a windows pc? Feb 10 05:36:31 dunno Feb 10 05:36:49 I'm using Novaterm to run the flash Feb 10 05:37:02 Will it 100% break my modem if I unplug it? Feb 10 05:38:54 twbbas: If it's sitting after detecting I'm not sure if it's even flashing yet Feb 10 05:39:09 destinal-work: Should I unplug it? Feb 10 05:39:22 twbbas: I'd try control-C Feb 10 05:39:40 to break out Feb 10 05:39:54 Not doing anything Feb 10 05:40:19 twbbas: yeah, I'd just power it off and back on and try the process again Feb 10 05:40:42 if it sticks thee again it may be a hardware issues Feb 10 05:40:58 s/thee/there/ Feb 10 05:40:59 destinal-work meant: if it sticks there again it may be a hardware issues Feb 10 05:41:15 Nice bot Feb 10 05:41:24 and watch the java stdout this time Feb 10 05:41:30 ~botsnack Feb 10 05:41:30 destinal-work: thanks Feb 10 05:41:35 who do we report the linphone issues to in here Feb 10 05:41:42 rwhitby: I don't know how to Feb 10 05:41:44 rwhitby: he's running the flash procedure on the wiki rather than doctor Feb 10 05:42:08 that must have a stdout too Feb 10 05:42:14 destinal-work: I can run it on the doctor? Would it be better to do it there? Feb 10 05:42:48 http://www.precentral.net/no-major-webos-ota-updates-pre-pre-plus-pixi-pixi-plus updated with a non ota update path possibility Feb 10 05:42:53 doctor doesn't force flash every time, does it? Feb 10 05:43:00 only if there's an update? Feb 10 05:43:29 Ok booted up now. Feb 10 05:43:38 mamouton, Thibaud, but he's not in Feb 10 05:43:45 Still 74% battery. Wow! No modem really saves battery life Feb 10 05:45:23 scoutcamper thanks do you know what time is good to catch him in here I can dial out but have no sound Feb 10 05:45:33 destinal-work: Now when I try and run it again it says no such file. I'm going to send it to the phone again and then try the flash. Feb 10 05:46:31 k Feb 10 05:47:47 mamouton, no idea Feb 10 05:48:04 running Feb 10 05:50:05 destinal-work: I just thought of something. Could my problems be related to me using Palm's bypass activation tool after I doctored instead of Meta-Doctor? Feb 10 05:50:15 The problems with the flashing Feb 10 05:50:44 twbbas: no, that bypass just touches a file, doesn't change modem funcitonality Feb 10 05:51:00 k, just curious Feb 10 05:51:07 It's at the point where it got stuck previously now Feb 10 05:51:31 twbbas: does your modem ever show up when you boot normally? Feb 10 05:51:41 I wonder if we're looking at a hardware problem Feb 10 05:52:01 Like do the service bars show up? No Feb 10 05:52:05 It says phone offline Feb 10 05:52:28 The thing is though that it happened randomly yesterday and rebooting/toggling airplane mode fixed it Feb 10 05:52:29 both that and a failure to flash a new modem firmware could both be due to a bad comm board Feb 10 05:52:41 then it happened again this afternoon and nothing fixed it Feb 10 05:53:36 Jack87|Away: ping Feb 10 05:54:45 Hi everyone :D Feb 10 05:54:48 twbbas: have you tried doctoring recently? Feb 10 05:55:11 I doctored right before I tried this flash Feb 10 05:55:22 so that's why I had to bypass activation to enable dev mode Feb 10 05:56:09 It's still stuck at the same spot :( Feb 10 05:56:55 twbbas: so "finished detecting modem" is actually after flashing Feb 10 05:57:33 can you look above that and see what happened with the flashing progress? Feb 10 05:58:29 Yeah, it won't let me copy and paste it so I'm uploading a screenshot Feb 10 05:58:45 http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/1435/capturesc.jpg Feb 10 05:59:02 aw, the flasher used to say "Do not loose the power" IIRC Feb 10 05:59:10 must have fixed the engrish at some point Feb 10 05:59:13 heh Feb 10 06:00:39 twbbas: the good news is that the modem info can be retrieved, which means that one cause of your problem (broken USB connectivity between kernel and modem) is discounted. Feb 10 06:01:15 Alrighty, what's the bad news? Feb 10 06:01:52 dunno, what happens next after that screenshot? Feb 10 06:02:06 That's it Feb 10 06:02:09 It gets stuck there Feb 10 06:02:27 and it's still stuck there for the second time running it Feb 10 06:02:30 what exact command are you running? Feb 10 06:02:56 First: mv /media/internal/castlecdma_evt1_fw.tar /tmp Feb 10 06:03:09 Second: PmModemUpdater -f and that runs all that stuff Feb 10 06:03:56 did you try the "if this doesn't work" with the -m -e -o Feb 10 06:04:24 not sure what the difference is Feb 10 06:04:54 I'll try that. Let me unplug and reboot Feb 10 06:07:18 Gotta love those fast reboots when you freshly doctor Feb 10 06:08:31 oh no... Feb 10 06:08:53 "Failed to connect to novacomd" Feb 10 06:09:16 oh wow unplugging and replugging fixed it Feb 10 06:10:33 that happens Feb 10 06:12:47 destinal-work: Okay it's running. *fingers crossed* Feb 10 06:13:11 says it's flashing Feb 10 06:14:04 This looks good Feb 10 06:16:14 It ran through the flash fine and now it's stopped on the last line before saying it's ready to use Feb 10 06:16:21 The screen turned on and I can use it Feb 10 06:16:29 Still says phone offline Feb 10 06:23:53 destinal-work: It finished and says my device is ready for use! Yay! But, it still says phone offline... Feb 10 06:26:36 webos doctor it now Feb 10 06:27:01 Ok Feb 10 06:29:25 twbbas: this time when you first use it after doctoring, hopefully it shouldl activate Feb 10 06:29:45 Alright. If this does I'll be very happy. :D :D Feb 10 06:37:02 there was so much happening in the webos world today i felt a bit over whelmed and been avoiding it till now. Feb 10 06:37:23 now that everyone has weeded out the good and bad i dont need to try to filter shit out Feb 10 06:46:53 Hey guys, one quick question, can the webos-internals work on the webos 2.0.1 version thats offered on the hp ftp site or does it has to be officially released by HP? Feb 10 06:49:30 what do you mean ? Feb 10 06:49:59 mandaman2k: the webos 2.0.1 doctor is specifically for pre2 Feb 10 06:50:14 destinal-work: Activation failed after doctoing. Still says phone offline. :( Ideas? Feb 10 06:50:46 rwhitby: could it be a carrier issue? Feb 10 06:51:01 that's what I'd assume that this point Feb 10 06:51:11 that weird, I've dowloaded and installed it in my sprint pre here in mexico, I even worked on the radio setting to make it work on my carrier here Feb 10 06:52:12 destinal-work: My thing a carrier issue? It's weird that it had phone offline yesterday and I fixed it with airplane mode toggling/battery pulling but it happened again a day later and I can't fix it Feb 10 06:52:13 and the ftp site has this name for the doctor: Palm-webOS-Doctor_webOS-Sprint-pre_pre_sprint.jar Feb 10 06:52:16 mandaman2k: wait, do you mean early access doctor? Feb 10 06:52:24 mandaman2k: what you are referring to is not 2.0.1 Feb 10 06:52:50 mandaman2k: yeah we can't support those here though in general just about any doctor will work with metadoctor Feb 10 06:53:04 ohh, sorry sorry, my bad I did ment the early access... Feb 10 06:54:10 mandaman2k: just that whole, can't discuss things under NDA, bit Feb 10 06:54:13 on device info it says is HP webos brlywine or something like that Feb 10 06:57:10 thats a shame, I thought that since HP officially isn't updating our old Pre's I thought that maybe having access to that doctor your excellent team could work on the kernel, etc... Feb 10 06:57:48 mandaman2k: you should stop discussion of NDA material in this channel now Feb 10 06:58:02 ok, sorry Feb 10 06:58:05 mandaman2k: we are working on getting 2.0 working on pre and pre+ using legal / publically available information and files Feb 10 06:58:56 ohhh, awesomen, that was what I was trying to get to, thats a relief, sorry for me bugging you on this.... Feb 10 06:59:32 Well I guess I'll have to talk with Sprint tomorrow nad see what's up with my service. Hopefully it's as simple as them accidentally deleting me from their system or something Feb 10 06:59:49 twbbas: yeah, I've heard of that happening. Feb 10 07:01:05 Thanks for all the help, destinal-work and rwhitby. webOS-Internals is a great group. Feb 10 07:01:34 yeah! Feb 10 07:01:35 haha Feb 10 07:02:01 at&t deleted me from there system last month, they didn't know what happen Feb 10 07:02:27 twbbas: it's all oil. the rest of us just take credit for his code. Feb 10 07:02:36 it's true. Feb 10 07:02:42 haha Feb 10 07:03:23 DaDirtyPanda: do you have a Pre? Feb 10 07:03:30 Thanks oil :D Feb 10 07:03:43 oil == god Feb 10 07:03:43 no problem Feb 10 07:03:51 * oil blushes Feb 10 07:03:55 yeah i do but on sprint Feb 10 07:04:16 DaDirtyPanda: Was the phone that was deleted a webOS phone? Feb 10 07:04:26 * Jack87 really needs a new webos device on sprint. Feb 10 07:05:09 sad i didnt hear anything about sprint today... (granted i didnt look closly... so can someone let me know if there was any yay/nay word about sprint or no word) Feb 10 07:05:29 no word Feb 10 07:05:31 not a word Feb 10 07:05:33 but pre3 is evdo Feb 10 07:05:38 so, a 50-50? Feb 10 07:05:50 oil: 33 (including China) Feb 10 07:05:51 "evdo"? Feb 10 07:05:55 no it wasn't a webos phone but they deleted everything phone and internet accounts, it was like i was never a customer Feb 10 07:05:58 cdma Feb 10 07:06:05 its both gsm and cdma Feb 10 07:06:09 oil, gotcha Feb 10 07:06:30 DaDirtyPanda: ah, k. I was wondering if your phone said phone offline like mine but if it's a different phone then we can't really compare them. Feb 10 07:06:54 ya evdo is sprints silly word... evdo sounded like good news haha Feb 10 07:07:25 * twbbas goes to sleep finally at 2am Feb 10 07:10:36 oil, ka6sox says that all the new phones work on all networks... so since it is cdma it will work on sprint. not tied to network. Feb 10 07:10:55 i thought something said veer was gsm only? Feb 10 07:11:11 but im probably wrong Feb 10 07:11:33 i have no idea... but i am chatting with him. he is on his way home from event now Feb 10 07:11:54 ah Feb 10 07:12:25 me Feb 10 07:12:25 so will all the phones have CDMA choice? Feb 10 07:12:26 Tom Feb 10 07:12:28 Yup Feb 10 07:12:30 Feb 10 07:12:49 * Jack87 is liking hp already although i still miss palm brand Feb 10 07:12:50 not much need to comm swap anyway even if we can't.. except of course getting on sprint will be about impossible Feb 10 07:13:25 destinal, what makes you think it will be same chipsets Feb 10 07:13:35 physicaly the phones are different Feb 10 07:14:19 veer is gsm only Feb 10 07:14:19 Jack87: what I mean is, since comms is integrated in the new phones we won't be able to comm swap but at least there will be no need Feb 10 07:14:55 unfortunately it also means we can't move devices to sprint on our own Feb 10 07:15:34 destinal-work, we can use the online option no? Feb 10 07:15:52 i know it was nice doing so undetected though Feb 10 07:16:24 no, despite claims of openness and rainbows, sprint won't activate devices made for vzw Feb 10 07:16:50 online or otherwise AFAIK Feb 10 07:17:21 pre2 may be the best device for doing that for a while Feb 10 07:17:40 i have always been advocate of choose carrier first Feb 10 07:17:45 unless sprint decides to actually carry palm phones which I'm not holding my breath for Feb 10 07:19:31 i always loved sprint till recently. they are doing some annoying shit. Feb 10 07:20:01 you dont want dual screen phone? Feb 10 07:20:02 xD Feb 10 07:20:09 nut they remain the biggest bang for your buck for now... so have to stick with em. hopefully long enough for other carriers to compete Feb 10 07:20:25 oil, dual screen phone? Feb 10 07:21:07 oil, haha i really dont want an android phone. Feb 10 07:21:11 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/sprints-kyocera-echo-dual-screen-android-phone-announced-we-go/ Feb 10 07:21:23 haha Feb 10 07:23:37 oil, the damn thing cant multi task.... useless! Feb 10 07:25:53 why else would you want two screens... it puts apps into hibernation till you return to the screen. lameness Feb 10 08:16:54 To all Linphone alpha testers: Although I do my best to attend the channel to support the alpha-Linphone, I have busy days with my job and a hard time with my too short nights (!). Would you be so kind as to report success & issues in the dedicated P|C forums? That would all help us a lot! Thank you :) Feb 10 08:18:01 Thibaud: we'll relay the message Feb 10 08:21:37 Just out of interest, where is the difference between a CDMA webos device like, say, the sprint pre and a GSM device? The driver for the baseband, the phone application, something else? Feb 10 08:22:22 rwhibty: thanks! BTW, I have armv6/pixi binaries done (still need testing on my wife's pixi) and close to clean-state & build cross-compile.git... :) Feb 10 08:22:43 s/done/almost done/ Feb 10 08:22:44 Thibaud meant: rwhibty: thanks! BTW, I have armv6/pixi binaries almost done (still need testing on my wife's pixi) and close to clean-state & build cross-compile.git... :) Feb 10 08:25:40 Thibaud, rwhitby perhapse a redmine should be setup? Feb 10 08:25:52 where users could post bugs? Feb 10 08:26:59 Thibaud: is there anything different about the pixi binaries other than what processor architecture they're compiled for? Feb 10 08:27:54 Thibaud: armv6 binaries work on armv7 also though it may make sense to keep an armv7 optimized build for performance Feb 10 08:28:51 oil: what is a redmine? Feb 10 08:29:25 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/preware/issues Feb 10 08:29:34 what is alpha-Linphone? Feb 10 08:29:53 prewares is setup to only be added to by devs Feb 10 08:30:30 Jack87: Thibaud is making a voip client Feb 10 08:30:48 oh wait. i read about this... thats right Feb 10 08:31:21 destinal-work: I've had the service crash & kill the audio on my wife's pixi, so I assumed (wrong?) that a specific build for the pixi was needed. So you got the whole thing running fine on a pixi? Feb 10 08:32:06 Thibaud, redmin is just a place to keep track of things that need to be done on projects... report broken things and all that fun stuff. so multiple members of the team can help or it can alert those assigned for the task and when it is completed it is reported that it is done and closed. Feb 10 08:32:53 oil: thanks! Yes, I guess that would make perfect sense to go structured like this for all of us Feb 10 08:33:34 oil, i think it end users had access to redmine there would just be a flood of bugs and reposts of same bugs Feb 10 08:33:39 none bother to look what is already there Feb 10 08:33:57 whoever's tweeting for webosinternals. thanks for representing the average dev that well :-) Feb 10 08:34:06 yeah, but people with accessi could add things there when people come in with a problem Feb 10 08:34:12 bugs that are alerted here a dev can confirm and add to redmine end users would make it hell. Feb 10 08:34:29 oil, isnt that how it is now? Feb 10 08:34:33 yeah Feb 10 08:34:38 well, wirc, we let users submit things Feb 10 08:34:41 Jack87: good point too Feb 10 08:34:46 only one has been done, and it was a dupe Feb 10 08:34:48 lol. ya.. do we not have a preware redmine? Feb 10 08:35:02 but freetether is getting good reports from end users Feb 10 08:35:10 er, testers Feb 10 08:35:18 its still in testing feed, right Feb 10 08:35:24 PuffTheMagic, and egaudet, did a good job on freeTether Feb 10 08:35:25 there is a preware redmine Feb 10 08:35:43 oil, i think it was out of the testing feed?maybe not Feb 10 08:35:44 rwhitby and i are the only ones to ever add to it i think Feb 10 08:35:49 or egaudet submitted one once Feb 10 08:36:17 oil, i think i added something to it once... or was going to but added to the admin redmine if it was a sysadmin task i cant remember Feb 10 08:36:19 lol Feb 10 08:36:38 haha Feb 10 08:36:51 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/ Feb 10 08:37:02 i forgot about the questions Feb 10 08:37:03 lol Feb 10 08:38:36 oil, ya it was admin redmin Feb 10 08:38:55 oil: nice, got it. Feb 10 08:39:00 muesli: rwhitby manages that twitter account, and yeah, totally agree. someone needs to ask the questions Feb 10 08:51:56 muesli: yw Feb 10 09:13:59 destinal, oil, talking a bit more with ka6sox.... Feb 10 09:14:43 so HP said all current carriers in use can use the phone..... (but i interpret that as if they choose to adapt the device they can and if they dont adapt the device they cant) Feb 10 09:15:06 destinal-work, ^ Feb 10 09:15:29 yeah, it's cdma and gsm, it can work anywhere if a carrier will sign you up. at this point, sprint won't. Feb 10 09:15:32 :-( oh well... hope for the best i guess Feb 10 09:15:39 gsm is nice since you can just get a SIM card and put it in Feb 10 09:15:44 no approval needed Feb 10 09:16:09 ya... i am just not willing to sign up with att or tmobile Feb 10 09:16:23 i guess i might look into some cdma hackery Feb 10 09:16:51 thats what i was looking at doing when my modem wasnt working (luckily i figured out how to force that damn Firmware flash) Feb 10 09:17:17 im not sure the legality of that so might need to check that out to Feb 10 09:17:27