**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 02:59:57 2011 Feb 12 03:00:08 I checked it on my pre so I'm wondering if that was a no go Feb 12 03:00:24 hope is for people withough crowbars and a lack of caring for other people Feb 12 03:00:34 RagingMind: they're going to push out an update which removes that app Feb 12 03:01:19 joe_pre: the server decision was made weeks ago Feb 12 03:02:12 aw Feb 12 03:03:31 okay laters...back to work Feb 12 03:03:39 its like 7pm! Feb 12 03:03:49 what's the point now we know or device won't get webos 2x do we just keep using it hopeing one day something just happens Feb 12 03:04:36 halfhalo, this is when I can take it off the air. Feb 12 03:04:48 ah Feb 12 03:05:14 if the pre+ can't run webos 2, then what other hardware *could* get an update that's not already running it? Feb 12 03:05:32 oil, I was thinking the website Feb 12 03:06:13 for my german vodaphone pre+ the website says that they are thinking about a way... Feb 12 03:06:27 RagingMind: oh? Feb 12 03:07:01 http://ws.palm.com/WebOsChecker/serialnumberinitial.htm Feb 12 03:07:13 "This page will help you learn if your device is eligible for a webOS 2 update." Feb 12 03:07:32 it says mine isn't capable, but if the pre+ isn't then what would be? Feb 12 03:07:44 i assume its unfinished Feb 12 03:07:47 seems like a very silly web page if that's all it'll ever say Feb 12 03:08:01 RagingMind: depends on what the purpose of the page it Feb 12 03:08:05 s/it/is/ Feb 12 03:08:51 no, the carrier plays a role there, too. Don't know why, but there are pre+ where the pages says "maybe" and others where it says "no". Feb 12 03:09:00 that page is one big bag of mixed messages Feb 12 03:09:33 hmm I will check on the computer then Feb 12 03:09:39 AcKoenigs, I wondered about that, but the phrasing doesn't make sense and would be misleading Feb 12 03:10:32 that's true. Feb 12 03:11:12 AcKoenigs: if the reason behind not releasing webOS 2.0 was carrier agreements, then that would make perfect sense ... Feb 12 03:11:45 even if we don't get webos 2x anytime soon I love this pre aka webos .. I have been ios ,blackberry,android user for years and webos is by far barnone just simply awesome Feb 12 03:15:37 "Your device is not able to support the new features of webOS 2." doesn't explicitly say there are hardware reasons Feb 12 03:15:55 but that's what would normally be implied by a statement like that Feb 12 03:18:25 That's what I get for a Pre on carrier O2 Germany, too (O2 Germany dropped webos last fall). Feb 12 03:18:51 For my Pre+ which is on Vodafone Germany it says that they are searching a way or similar.. Feb 12 03:18:58 this page is just strange... Feb 12 03:20:56 I would be upset if my device was "not able to support" because of Verizon... unless Vzw wants to give me a pre 2 :) Feb 12 03:21:07 hehe Feb 12 03:22:24 I alredy know the tricks get multiple replacements and your carrier normally offers you a phone o_O Feb 12 03:22:44 even apple does Feb 12 03:23:57 yes. I did it.. I just compiled libfunambol and a small test-program for webos. Maybe I'll manage to get syncml support on my pre after all. *sigh* Feb 12 03:26:15 Hi all :) How's things? I'm sad -- suddenly, IMAP and EAS on my Pre 2 has just stopped working. For no reason Feb 12 03:26:35 and that's enough for today. Bye all. *wave* Feb 12 03:27:19 Pulls down headers, but hangs at "retrieving mail", then fails. Anyone else had this? Feb 12 03:32:18 lingfish: they took those features away as part of the Feb9 decision Feb 12 03:32:34 lol Feb 12 03:32:42 rwhitby: lol... no more IMAP or EAS. Rad. Feb 12 03:32:59 lingfish: yeah, you have to wait for the Enyo email client Feb 12 03:33:33 So I assume nobody else has had the issue then :P Feb 12 03:33:34 :( Feb 12 03:33:46 sounds like appl Feb 12 03:33:52 err Feb 12 03:34:22 I've debugged my dovecot setup and all... its just not fetching bodies Feb 12 03:34:37 sounds like hp wants total co.teo Feb 12 03:34:51 control* Feb 12 03:35:51 Is it normal for /dev/mapper/store-filecache to always be full? Feb 12 03:36:18 And does anyone have hints as to what logging I could study, apart from /var/log which appears mostly useless in this case? Feb 12 03:36:26 rwhitby: the Mail app doesn't support IMAP anymore in webos 2.0? Feb 12 03:37:29 wgreenhouse: I'm joking Feb 12 03:37:50 rwhitby: okay, thank goodness :) Feb 12 03:41:21 blah. Feb 12 03:42:17 lingfish: a full filecache would indeed stuff up email Feb 12 03:42:29 That's what I thought. Feb 12 03:42:33 hmm...are there any caldav servers for Linux that will work with the webos calendar? Feb 12 03:42:39 So, I deleted mails etc, but its size didn't shrink Feb 12 03:42:44 I guess that means ones that can emulate ms exchange Feb 12 03:43:09 rwhitby: any hints on purging? Feb 12 03:44:12 lingfish: rm the lot. it's a cache Feb 12 03:44:17 lingfish, just delete everything out of the attachment's folder Feb 12 03:44:29 using novaterm or whatever... Feb 12 03:44:31 lingfish: but backup first, just in case I'm wrong :) Feb 12 03:44:51 heh, ok.... Feb 12 03:44:54 or me Feb 12 03:44:57 rick-away: you've done this before, no damage? Feb 12 03:45:40 many many many times Feb 12 03:45:55 29.3M contactphoto Feb 12 03:45:55 65.2M email Feb 12 03:45:56 but I always scp everything over to my desktop before I rm just in case Feb 12 03:46:20 I might torch the contactphoto one first... perhaps a little safer... thus having a little space and then see if things start working again Feb 12 04:12:48 rick-away: rwhitby: good stuff... that's what it was! Feb 12 04:12:59 So.... why isn't WebOS managing that cache properly :/ Feb 12 04:29:32 it's a bug lingfish Feb 12 05:00:42 undrwater: yes there is a community effort and yes it almost works but one piece we're missing is the proper TI graphics libraries for the graphics core on pre which is slightly different than pre2. versions that supply what webos 2.0 is expecting and that work on pre are not publically released by palm yet in doctor form (though there may be other ways to get / make working libraries) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:01:48 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:02:14 2011 Feb 12 05:02:20 destinal: ah ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:02:53 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:03:33 2011 Feb 12 05:06:34 oil you mind if i pm again ? Feb 12 05:06:45 go for it Feb 12 05:07:03 Does anyone know what graphics chipset is in the Pre/Pre+/Pre2? Or where I can find that? Feb 12 05:07:54 is it powervr? Feb 12 05:08:38 okay looks like a yes (google) Feb 12 05:09:00 tmandry: powervr sgx 530 Feb 12 05:09:17 for all three, though pre2 has a slightly newer core revision Feb 12 05:09:25 the difference between omap3430 and omap3630 Feb 12 05:09:55 hmm that's very good news.. Qt comes with a powervr GLES driver.. so acceleration might be pretty simple Feb 12 05:11:46 (apparently it does some chipset-specific stuff for it's embedded windowing system) Feb 12 05:16:11 destinal, good news for frankendoctor is that it looks like some pre's might get something? (according to palm's website) Feb 12 05:32:10 RagingMind: you mean that the o2 serial numbers seem to be showing that they will get one? Feb 12 05:32:17 err 2.x Feb 12 05:32:56 RagingMind: yeah that means we should have a legal doctor we can just modify to other carriers Feb 12 05:33:01 they show something different from my Vzw Pre+ and that gives me hope Feb 12 05:33:11 yeah, unless it's a mistake Feb 12 05:33:17 but I'll cross my fingers Feb 12 05:33:43 if an official doctor and code for a kernel for webOS 2.* is released for ANY pre... it would be nifty Feb 12 05:34:35 if it doesn't I still have avenues to explore Feb 12 05:36:00 and I can offer moral support, but not any programming skills unfortunately Feb 12 05:39:03 heh, okay the engadget article about the donated server is cute Feb 12 05:43:16 oops? Feb 12 05:43:25 I suggest a new password :) Feb 12 05:43:42 lol Feb 12 05:43:49 so Feb 12 05:44:06 webosdoctor 1.4.5 that is not illegal Feb 12 05:44:12 im at palm.com right now Feb 12 05:44:16 do i have to put in my serial Feb 12 05:44:29 it hink it downloads a sprin webosdoctor .. since im on ATT is this alright ? Feb 12 05:44:35 yes, or you can go to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Feb 12 05:44:43 k coo Feb 12 05:44:43 and look for the right version Feb 12 05:47:48 besides all the stuff in EAP is really buggy beta anyway Feb 12 06:13:11 rick-home: yeah, a damn big one too, really. Feb 12 06:13:24 hi all Feb 12 06:14:06 ping dBsooner Feb 12 06:14:55 moooo. Feb 12 06:15:27 JayCanuck: i haven't seen dbsooner in months Feb 12 06:15:53 hmm, well, anyone else with access the the backend of the patch portal? Feb 12 06:16:05 ugggg Feb 12 06:16:15 what broke Feb 12 06:16:21 looking to get your ip added to the whitelist? Feb 12 06:16:28 it was on the whitelist Feb 12 06:16:34 but I seem to be removed Feb 12 06:16:41 its by ip, yours probably changed Feb 12 06:17:00 wait, the old pp used ip for auth?!? Feb 12 06:17:05 for whitelisting Feb 12 06:17:13 nope Feb 12 06:17:16 it had some 5 min wait between submissions Feb 12 06:17:17 hasn't changed Feb 12 06:17:21 hm Feb 12 06:17:31 we'll find out if i remember how to get in there Feb 12 06:18:02 sleepy time, good night all Feb 12 06:20:04 * halfhalo thinks having no ip whitelist and doing it by account is the way to go Feb 12 06:20:12 right Feb 12 06:20:17 but you've seen the php code in the portal Feb 12 06:20:34 thats why its not being rewritten in php Feb 12 06:21:18 php can be good :) Feb 12 06:21:35 looking at the code, i assume it was one of dbsooners first php projects Feb 12 06:22:02 JayCanuck: pm me your ip Feb 12 06:34:46 summer bah Feb 12 06:35:44 winter - bah Feb 12 06:36:00 seasons bah Feb 12 06:37:04 question about save/restore Feb 12 06:37:28 before i wiped my device i installed save/restore right .. and it did teh backup becuase it was turning everything it off it backed up Feb 12 06:37:35 i just reinstalled the app and went to restore Feb 12 06:37:36 it has 0 Feb 12 06:37:38 any ideas ? Feb 12 06:39:06 does webosdoctor actually delete internal storage or just the fireware (operation system) Feb 12 06:48:03 in some cases both Feb 12 07:34:13 hmm, having another issue with the patch portal Feb 12 07:34:26 * hlfhlo|away is shocked Feb 12 07:34:31 lol Feb 12 07:35:21 I try to submit an update for 2.0.1 for Improved CIMG Photo Naming, but it keeps saying "must include a patch file" even though I've selected one Feb 12 07:37:46 * rwhitby points to oil and hlfhlo|away as the PHP patch portal experts :) Feb 12 07:40:10 hmmmm Feb 12 07:41:14 also renamed the file a few times, "improved-cimg-photo-naming.patch, cimg.patch, photo-naming.patch and same error Feb 12 07:41:29 there should be no reason for that message.... the code for it is suprisingly not crazy Feb 12 07:41:48 oddly, that seems to be the only patch update that is giving the error Feb 12 07:41:57 oo Feb 12 07:42:01 figured it out Feb 12 07:42:09 probably hte patch file is broken Feb 12 07:42:18 an error caused the file in my upload folder to be 0kb Feb 12 07:42:30 (errror on my end I mean) Feb 12 07:42:31 that would do it Feb 12 07:42:48 * oil brb Feb 12 07:46:40 oh, for anyone who cares, searching by compatible patches is in the works Feb 12 08:40:23 guys, does webos have sip support? Feb 12 08:41:19 its in alpha testing Feb 12 08:42:03 * SineOt sure hopes that someone can port Skype from the Verizon Pre2 to other phones Feb 12 08:42:03 ah nice. i am a N900 user and with the latest nokia fiasco want to move to somewhere else Feb 12 08:42:45 oil, so sip will be integrated in the OS? what device will see its release? Feb 12 08:43:04 its an app Feb 12 08:43:13 and it works for pre and pixi i think Feb 12 08:43:51 its still pretty early, but its functional as a basic dialer Feb 12 08:44:02 yeah Feb 12 08:44:06 the back end is a port of linphone Feb 12 08:44:17 oil, ah. i see Feb 12 08:44:22 I think it could be easily integrated into the dialer though Feb 12 08:44:31 i have no clue Feb 12 08:44:34 once the Verizon Pre2 comes out and has Skype integrated into the dialer Feb 12 08:44:40 i've only looked at the dialer code once Feb 12 08:44:44 it'd give an example of how to do that Feb 12 08:45:27 is there any FAQ about webOS? is it opensource like maemo? Feb 12 08:46:00 webos is not open source Feb 12 08:46:21 but its just the gui, its on linux Feb 12 08:46:42 right Feb 12 08:47:00 and most of the webos apps are all js/html/css Feb 12 08:47:07 all of the built-in ones are Feb 12 08:47:24 idk if there is a general faq Feb 12 08:47:33 yeah, it's closer I guess to OSX in terms of opensource... the GUI is closed, but the backend is open Feb 12 08:49:35 trumee: http://opensource.palm.com/ Feb 12 08:49:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page Feb 12 08:50:49 Darwin has the best mascot of any of the open source projects out there Feb 12 08:55:22 Feb 12 08:55:24 root@palm-webos-device:/media/internal# ipkg-opt install org.webosinter Feb 12 08:55:24 nals.telepathy-glib_0.8.3-1_armv7.ipk Feb 12 08:55:24 Clearing state_want and state_flag for pkg=org.webosinternals.telepathy-glib (arch_priority=0 flag=16 want=2) Feb 12 08:55:27 Nothing to be done Feb 12 08:55:31 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Feb 12 08:55:31 Collected errors: Feb 12 08:55:34 Cannot find package org.webosinternals.telepathy-glib. Feb 12 08:55:37 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Feb 12 08:55:41 Feb 12 08:55:44 any idea what might be wrong ? Feb 12 08:57:40 ipkg-opt still works? Feb 12 08:58:08 oil: apparently not, instaling from preware also fails, but with a weird error message. Feb 12 08:58:18 note: I did that package by hand. Feb 12 08:58:26 and it should be installed to / Feb 12 08:58:35 rwhitby: would be the package expert Feb 12 08:58:49 * xaiki summons rwhitby Feb 12 09:01:34 if you say his name 3 times in the mirror he will appear Feb 12 09:01:49 lol Feb 12 09:13:35 oil: doesn't work all that better =P Feb 12 09:13:46 haha Feb 12 09:40:36 heyho Feb 12 10:05:47 xaiki: that's cause you and oil only said it twice Feb 12 10:07:08 xaiki: your error is likely due to an incorrect arch.conf Feb 12 10:42:51 moin Feb 12 10:43:27 rwhitby: can a patch depand on an app. I my case the pach only works if filemgr service is installed Feb 12 10:52:26 yes it can Feb 12 10:52:41 for example, all patches depend on the patch and lsdiff apps Feb 12 10:54:53 ok, was not sure if or if not Feb 12 10:55:35 Do you know of sombody is working on the task to convert the filemgr service to a C based one for WebOS 2.x? Feb 12 11:02:01 hape: yes, Jason is. Feb 12 11:02:12 node.js based rather than C based Feb 12 11:04:32 thanks, that sonds good. So I can go on with the idea patch I'm working on right now Feb 12 11:04:46 rwhitby: Can you please close this thread http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2865023#post2865023 Feb 12 11:11:23 hape: I do not have permissions to do so. Feb 12 11:14:18 rwhitby, have a pleasent evening. I have no idea why I'm still up, but Chris and I had a very productive evening again. Feb 12 11:16:15 I'm going to go try to get some sleep... The good news is, I kept asking stupid questions tonight and got the BOFH's to fix a bunch more broken stuff. Feb 12 11:17:22 I suspect tho, that with a bit more tweaking we're going to have a really clean environment. Feb 12 11:17:30 so, gnight Feb 12 12:47:36 I really don't like pdf not working right on the original palm pre. Feb 12 12:47:44 people are chimping out on the forums about what HP said about 2.0 Feb 12 15:34:29 what's up? Feb 12 15:43:53 hay Jack87|Away! Feb 12 16:39:19 hey Feb 12 17:08:55 ho Feb 12 17:22:25 going back from android to webos :) :) Feb 12 17:22:56 need to get rid of my evo 4g to get a sprint pre, then getting the pre 3 on whatever network gets it first. Feb 12 17:35:04 pre3 sounds like a great phone. Is a must buy for me, too. Feb 12 17:39:02 Garfonso, its a great phone today, in 6 months when its out it wont be Feb 12 17:39:27 either way, i'm done with android Feb 12 17:39:31 i miss cards Feb 12 17:40:09 i wonder what new phones hp is making now Feb 12 17:40:19 that will be anounced when pre3 is avail Feb 12 17:41:34 I really want a 4" super slim slab. Feb 12 17:41:53 Pre3 is nice and if that's the only webOS phone available, I'll get it. Feb 12 17:42:02 it will still be in the upper class in six months, I'm quite sure. Feb 12 17:42:26 i want a wider, taller, pixi with more power Feb 12 17:42:54 I think people need to get out of the mindset that there's only going to be one or two webOS handsets and if they aren't top of the line it's tragic. Feb 12 17:43:13 I hope that really changes.. Feb 12 17:43:21 I would be very surprised if there aren't half a dozen handsets by the end of the year. Feb 12 17:45:23 idontwan2know, untill they get to the point where there is more than 1 or 2 handsets available, they all need to be top of the line Feb 12 17:45:47 they arent going to gain any more customers putting out shit Feb 12 17:46:17 if the bring webOS to PCs and stuff that will also push handset sales Feb 12 17:46:35 why would it Feb 12 17:46:47 who is going to switch from linux/macos/windows to webos Feb 12 17:47:01 question is how it will come to pcs Feb 12 17:47:04 u cant do shit in webos Feb 12 17:47:10 if it is in forms with webapps Feb 12 17:47:14 not a actuall second os Feb 12 17:48:11 I don't like webOs being a real PC os... that sounds like it will be a big failure... Feb 12 17:49:10 ++ Feb 12 17:49:21 yeah but we all dont know how it willcome Feb 12 17:49:29 if it will come in terms of web applications Feb 12 17:49:40 and things like touch to share enabled on hp hardware for pcs Feb 12 17:49:54 anyone got mobile me .. or me.com calendars to sync with webos ? Feb 12 17:49:58 it would be nice to produce webOs for the pc as some mighty javascript-interpreter, mail, messaging, contacts, calendar thingie... so basically you could "launch" webos on your current system and have a window that runs your synced webos-system you know from your handset and have all data handy. Feb 12 17:50:26 garfonso on the enyo show at the event they showded Mail, Calender and foto app running in Chrome Feb 12 17:54:28 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/webos-enyo-framework-free-to-developers-today-brings-pixel-dens/ Feb 12 17:57:29 I missed that one.. looks quite good. Feb 12 17:59:03 and now I wish even more that I would be up for the early access program... :( Feb 12 18:40:08 anyone running thems on there pre ? Feb 12 20:56:05 guys Feb 12 20:56:11 installed save/restore and backed up everything Feb 12 20:56:25 should i copy the whole saverestore folder to my computer just in case something happens ? Feb 12 20:58:04 ye Feb 12 20:58:05 yes Feb 12 20:58:39 coo Feb 12 20:58:45 i just looked in there and it looks like nothing Feb 12 20:58:49 err Feb 12 20:58:51 i have non sms Feb 12 20:58:53 lol nvm Feb 12 21:00:00 hi all Feb 12 21:05:35 I'm interested in test linphone. Anybody knows where can I get it? Feb 12 21:07:44 is anybody alive? Feb 12 21:12:51 shura0 i doubt it Feb 12 21:14:33 :( Feb 12 21:20:46 failed the first alpha tester criteria - sticking around long enough for an answer Feb 12 21:21:52 ooh burn Feb 12 21:23:36 lunch sounds good right now Feb 12 21:25:23 lol Feb 12 21:25:44 that one is soo easy, too Feb 12 21:26:54 lol Feb 12 21:55:29 Hey all. Do Palm Pre apps run as root, the way they do on iOS? Feb 12 21:56:12 I know webOS has a "web" stack for most apps, but I understand now many apps can run natively. Feb 12 21:59:44 Speedy2: apps from the app store do not run as root Feb 12 22:00:14 they are individually chroot jailed and run as individual non-priviledged users Feb 12 22:01:21 rwhitby: Thanks. Do you know of any firewall application for Pre? iOS has one called "Firewall IP" that's quite decent. Android has one called 'DroidWall' (uses UID of each app + iptables) Feb 12 22:02:12 Speedy2: webOS has a firewall activated by default, and apps can request access through it Feb 12 22:02:50 rwhitby: Does the user see a notification allowing / disallowing access? Feb 12 22:02:55 no Feb 12 22:03:05 (which is an obvious problem) Feb 12 22:03:43 :( Feb 12 22:03:44 I'm not sure whether ports < 1024 can be activated that way (haven't tested it myself) Feb 12 22:03:52 Speedy2: why do you ask? Feb 12 22:04:17 rwhitby: I'm of the opinion (as a user) only very few apps need network access, and they should be the ones I'm aware of Feb 12 22:04:46 I have a question that only you badasses can help me with Feb 12 22:05:12 Speedy2: WebOS Internals has a tool called Impostah which can show active connections. We've been considering a whitelist outgoing firewall app. Feb 12 22:05:46 rwhitby: I think it's manditory (personally). If you're considering such an app, I seriously suggest looking into DroidWall (obviously makes use of iptables) and Firewall IP (iOS) for some inspiration. Feb 12 22:05:52 How can I get Preware or quick install to install stuff ment for a different version of webOS? Feb 12 22:06:00 I want to force the install Feb 12 22:06:09 i don't care if I brick the pre Feb 12 22:06:26 firstly, you can't brick a pre Feb 12 22:06:45 secondly, ipkg.preware.org/feeds has all the raw package feeds Feb 12 22:06:51 Yes I was just saying Feb 12 22:07:02 thirdly, Preware can install any raw package file Feb 12 22:07:23 what are you intending to do? Feb 12 22:07:29 Yes I understand that but things like patches don;t install because of a different version Feb 12 22:07:53 do you understand how a patch works? Feb 12 22:08:02 Yes Feb 12 22:08:23 I'm looking for something like sudo for quick install or preware Feb 12 22:08:45 hmm - that means you don't understand how a patch works. Feb 12 22:08:49 I want to install a kernel from a different webos Feb 12 22:09:03 ... Feb 12 22:09:12 that sounds like a good way to break something Feb 12 22:09:15 and that means you don't understand how kernels work. Feb 12 22:09:17 I know Feb 12 22:09:21 I have 2 pres Feb 12 22:09:24 one if my phone Feb 12 22:09:28 and one is my PMP Feb 12 22:09:47 I like messing with the PMP Feb 12 22:10:08 quick install installs the kernel to a point Feb 12 22:10:09 again, what exactly are you trying to do? Feb 12 22:10:16 and then stops because it says it's a different version Feb 12 22:10:39 its designed to not allow you to easily blow something up Feb 12 22:10:44 rwhitby: Any timeline on a firewall app for Pre? Feb 12 22:10:49 I'm trying to install an OC kernel build for a older version of webOS on a newer version of webOS Feb 12 22:10:57 rwhitby: And, how could I contribute? Feb 12 22:11:04 they're not compatible Feb 12 22:11:07 that will definitely blow up the pre Feb 12 22:11:19 well I remember the comunity did it once before Feb 12 22:11:25 palm made 1.4.1 Feb 12 22:11:32 and we used OC kernels from 1.4.0 Feb 12 22:11:35 and they worked Feb 12 22:11:41 maybe if its a small change it still wroks Feb 12 22:11:42 I just wanna try it again Feb 12 22:11:47 141 was probably just a bug fix Feb 12 22:11:50 thats because the kernel didn't change from 1.4.1 to 1.4.0 Feb 12 22:11:53 "worked" is a subjective term Feb 12 22:12:00 not any significant changes Feb 12 22:12:05 ok Feb 12 22:12:09 So I can;t do it? Feb 12 22:13:25 what kernel are you wanting to put on what version? Feb 12 22:13:50 I'd rather not say Feb 12 22:14:02 that one definitely will not work Feb 12 22:14:15 won't even boot Feb 12 22:14:17 what would happen? just no boot? Feb 12 22:14:29 has any ever tried it? Feb 12 22:14:33 I'll just try it Feb 12 22:14:40 if no work ill doctor no biggie Feb 12 22:14:49 have fun Feb 12 22:15:09 well i can't cause no one will tell me how lol Feb 12 22:15:16 correct Feb 12 22:15:49 anyways thanks for your time Feb 12 22:15:57 I picked up an android phone... it's meh Feb 12 22:16:09 IDK if I will keep it or return it Feb 12 22:16:28 dude_man: Do you know what a kernel is? Feb 12 22:16:47 I'd want to use F105a Feb 12 22:17:18 oh Feb 12 22:17:24 dude_man: It's the core software of an operating system. It's usually "device specific" for embedded systems. It contains specialized blocks of code to deal with proprietary devices and aspects that are machine specific. Feb 12 22:17:34 yeah it's what's between the hardware and the OS Feb 12 22:17:47 it's how the OS uses the hardware Feb 12 22:17:56 Speedy2: no timeline on such an app. to contribute, discuss a proposed architecture here. Feb 12 22:17:58 deep deep guts Feb 12 22:18:07 It's the nucleus of the OS (trying not to be a tautological here) Feb 12 22:18:47 rwhitby: OK. Any particular time good/bad to discuss? Feb 12 22:18:58 yes I knew this. I don;t know much more that that though Feb 12 22:19:32 dude_man: Well, you're proposing use of this core, customized software for one device and you want to put it on another. Feb 12 22:20:50 Ok OK I belive that it wont work Feb 12 22:21:00 I just wanted to try it anyways Feb 12 22:21:11 but I can't so okok Feb 12 22:24:00 I picked up a mytouch 4g Feb 12 22:24:02 * Josef_B stares at his pre before going back to work Feb 12 22:24:33 Anyone here have an android device? Feb 12 22:24:38 dude_man me Feb 12 22:24:39 why whats up Feb 12 22:24:53 dude_man multitasking is crap but its a nice os Feb 12 22:24:54 :D Feb 12 22:25:12 It just seems like a mess to me Feb 12 22:25:25 everything is so much harder to do that webos Feb 12 22:25:30 yes Feb 12 22:25:31 and the thing has 4 buttons Feb 12 22:25:45 I dont like buttons lol Feb 12 22:25:52 i been on blackberry/android/iphone/webos .. webos barnone can kill any os with multitasking .. not to say universal search Feb 12 22:25:53 :D Feb 12 22:26:11 hands down! Feb 12 22:26:12 universal search on 2.0 is the shit too Feb 12 22:26:17 yep Feb 12 22:26:22 why im not going back to android 0_o Feb 12 22:26:36 did you get one recently? Feb 12 22:26:40 dude_man i just got my pre 5 days ago i was on android for forever Feb 12 22:26:48 wow Feb 12 22:26:48 dude_man i been playing with emulator for a while Feb 12 22:26:56 what took you so long? Feb 12 22:26:59 wife Feb 12 22:27:00 lol Feb 12 22:27:06 whats she got? Feb 12 22:27:13 wm 6.1 tilt 2 Feb 12 22:27:19 woh Feb 12 22:27:21 oldschool Feb 12 22:27:34 I had a touch diamond for a while Feb 12 22:27:38 cool Feb 12 22:27:40