**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 16 02:59:57 2011 Feb 16 03:04:50 rwhitby: I know you need a verizon phone /serial .. if I go to the verizon store and see one if those demo ones will that work or is there more to it ? Feb 16 03:05:29 that should be enough Feb 16 03:05:41 joebpre: that will do - we just need the serial number, which you can get from the Device Info app Feb 16 03:06:16 Under cover operation dr stealer Feb 16 03:06:29 etx-: the developer devices are unlocked GSM Feb 16 03:06:43 rwhitby: yeah, that's what I thought Feb 16 03:07:10 I was confused as it says UMTS and I thought that had something to do with CDMA Feb 16 03:07:19 but I'm probably 100% wrong :) Feb 16 03:07:35 UMTS is 3G GSM Feb 16 03:07:41 Ahhh ok Feb 16 03:09:10 So, how is this for an idea Feb 16 03:09:33 TouchPad, the first tablet that you can use to write apps :) Feb 16 03:10:21 Brilliant marketing strategy. That's sure to outsell the iPad in the target demographics ... ;) Feb 16 03:10:29 I'm going to write an extension to Cloud9IDE for writing webos apps Feb 16 03:10:33 don't know when I can pop over to verizon and act like I wann buy the phone ... I will be like I'm taking a picture to show to the wife Feb 16 03:10:36 heh yeah right Feb 16 03:11:07 "can I just write down this model number so I can do some further research on the internet?" Feb 16 03:11:59 a buddy of mine in HS used to go into gamestop and ask the clerk to borrow a pen and paper and write down cd keys.... Feb 16 03:12:02 Sales reps are dumb, you'll have no problems Feb 16 03:12:12 LOL, awesome Feb 16 03:12:34 dumb and/or unmotivated Feb 16 03:13:11 yeah, apathy is a powerful force Feb 16 03:13:30 especially when you get paid crap Feb 16 03:13:34 computer stores are typically full of intelligent but somehow defective individuals who don't want to be there Feb 16 03:13:46 phone stores similar but possibly nada on the intelligence scale Feb 16 03:14:00 the difference is the hair gel Feb 16 03:16:42 I hope the TouchPad comes out at a reasonable price point, and that it comes out soon enough that it's not obsolete at birth Feb 16 03:16:53 1 MILLION dollars Feb 16 03:16:56 if those conditions are met, I can see loving one Feb 16 03:17:05 and running a lot of Linux apps on it Feb 16 03:17:11 I've wanted Emacs on a tablet for like a decade Feb 16 03:17:24 x11 on it is going to be mega-awesome Feb 16 03:17:30 is there an SDL port of emacs somewhere? Feb 16 03:17:45 I used to run xwindows on a pentium 75mhz, TouchPad can handle it :) Feb 16 03:17:51 bpadalino: not that I've heard of Feb 16 03:18:02 bpadalino: just use a xserver Feb 16 03:18:32 etx-: yeah, I was just thinking of using it using the headless X server+localhost VNC method Feb 16 03:18:40 as tested on webos 1.4.5 for things like openoffice Feb 16 03:18:47 if that runs, emacs will too, with less hassle Feb 16 03:19:16 Was the sdl x server never updated? Feb 16 03:19:29 I remember it stopped working after one of the OTA updates Feb 16 03:19:55 no idea Feb 16 03:20:00 I'll check Feb 16 03:20:27 SDL is old skool. A DirectFB X setup would make more sense for webOS Feb 16 03:20:53 it would be full screen, like a video game, but that's ok Feb 16 03:20:59 yeah, but will it play nice with luna? Feb 16 03:21:39 probably Feb 16 03:21:56 I am kind of a webos n00b though Feb 16 03:22:34 I don't think it would work as well as SDL, just because palm added sdl support Feb 16 03:22:56 you'd have to shut down luna most likely, then run dfb stuff Feb 16 03:22:57 what libraries are typically used for full-screen games like ExZeus? Feb 16 03:23:07 SDL? Feb 16 03:23:15 I'm not familiar with ExZues Feb 16 03:23:47 it's a twitchy giant robot shooter for webos Feb 16 03:23:49 bpadalino: Yeah, Looks like dtzWill never got around to updating his X packages. It's not working for me Feb 16 03:23:57 whoops Feb 16 03:23:59 wgreenhouse: does it run in a card? Feb 16 03:24:00 what a jerk that guy is! Feb 16 03:24:09 loool Feb 16 03:24:29 maybe I'll take that one over when I find some time. Love me some X Feb 16 03:24:35 etx-: yes, it runs in a card Feb 16 03:24:44 it's probably sdl then :) Feb 16 03:24:50 the X stuff works if you get a pardon from the jail Feb 16 03:24:54 but runs only in landscape mode and hides the usual Luna UI stuff Feb 16 03:25:08 until you leave the card Feb 16 03:25:13 ok Feb 16 03:25:30 rwhitby: oh yeeeahhh, that was the update that broke it. hrrmm Feb 16 03:26:08 ok, I'm off to teach my dog matrix multiplication Feb 16 03:26:45 echo "pardon" > /etc/nojail Feb 16 03:26:50 that will make them work again Feb 16 03:26:58 Hey Feb 16 03:27:43 nyuepik: hey Feb 16 03:28:15 recompiling with a hello-world plugin now Feb 16 03:31:13 The hello-app won't work either, jail is killing it Feb 16 03:33:28 etx-: bug me before/if you are interested in updating the x stuff. Feb 16 03:33:44 etx-: last i checked still builds all happily in the WIDK, mostly it's just the silly packaging and duplication of libraries Feb 16 03:33:54 mostly never got done b/c the concept made me sad, heh Feb 16 03:34:21 (if you want a separate package for xterm, you'll ahve to duplicate at least the xlibs all over again, etc) Feb 16 03:36:27 nyuepik: can you get a pastebin of /var/log/messages ? Feb 16 03:37:26 Yeah, or I can pipe it after a run, which you would prefer? Feb 16 03:37:34 during a run I mean Feb 16 03:39:31 just want to see the jail error Feb 16 03:39:36 webos.pastebin.com Feb 16 03:41:45 yeah, I am a unix command line guy, sending you the log Feb 16 03:42:23 Ok, sorry didn't understand, pasting now Feb 16 03:42:45 just pasted Feb 16 03:48:51 nyuepik: was that service or plugin? Feb 16 03:49:21 nyuepik: line 165 is the problem Feb 16 03:49:40 which causes the error on line 249 Feb 16 03:50:07 which then causes the error on line 502 Feb 16 03:50:12 That was the plugin Feb 16 03:50:19 I think Feb 16 03:50:23 that loaded service and plugin Feb 16 03:50:40 The node.js ran fine, the plugin crashed Feb 16 03:51:05 service at line 48, plugin at line 167 Feb 16 03:51:17 that's the same error I saw Feb 16 03:51:44 So where should I try placing the plugin binary? Feb 16 03:53:11 in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.epikmayo.myplayer Feb 16 03:53:24 just do that on-device to test Feb 16 03:54:28 no directory for com.epikmayo.myplayer only com.epikmayo.myplayer.service, should I create one? Feb 16 03:54:35 yep Feb 16 03:56:16 nyuepik: actually, I just tried that, and it just causes an error later when trying to enter the jail Feb 16 03:56:25 yeah Feb 16 03:56:28 so it's a webOS bug Feb 16 03:56:43 MOUNT:/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.epikmayo.myplayer on /var/palm/jail/com.epikmayo.myplayer/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.epikmayo.myplayer Feb 16 03:56:51 chdir /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.epikmayo.myplayer Feb 16 03:56:57 error: No such file or directory, directory: /var/palm/jail/com.epikmayo.myplayer/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.epikmayo.myplayer Feb 16 03:57:24 it mounts .../services/... into the jail, but then tries to chdir to .../applications/... Feb 16 03:59:29 So assuming that we won't be getting a fix from palm on this for a while, what are the options. I would build the gui, but SDL is just such a pain to do gui work in, and I don't feel like wrestling with getting something like Qt installed just for this Feb 16 04:03:12 it says my browser is no longer supported for youtube, anyone else have this? Feb 16 04:03:51 "Get a better browser." -Steve, sent from my iPad Feb 16 04:05:14 its from my pre.... Feb 16 04:05:23 Anyway, need to get to bed. Hopefully I will get a response soon on the developer forums, but email me if you get any new ideas for me to try. Feb 16 04:06:04 Why are you browsing the site, and not using the app? Feb 16 04:06:09 nyuepik: I think the option is to move the file management into the plugin Feb 16 04:06:41 i was adding a subcription which you can't do from the lame ass app Feb 16 04:07:23 then it didn't work so i had to walk to my computer!!! grrrr Feb 16 04:11:18 rwhitby: I will work on that, all the methods are in place, just need to write the plugin interface code. Feb 16 04:11:22 Night Feb 16 04:11:33 bye Feb 16 04:12:34 :) Feb 16 04:15:09 * iHackYou got into the early access program Feb 16 04:15:11 anyone else? Feb 16 04:15:23 congrats Feb 16 04:15:30 did you read the NDA? Feb 16 04:18:13 yup Feb 16 04:18:28 i responded to the email but haven't gotten forum access yet :( Feb 16 04:18:43 hay Feb 16 04:18:49 is there a problem with navit on att pre running 1.4.5 Feb 16 04:23:56 iHackYou: I think you missed the section in the NDA that talks about whether you can discuss your participation in the early access program ... Feb 16 04:24:28 * iHackYou will re-read it Feb 16 04:24:59 can't get it to load were can I find help on navit Feb 16 04:26:06 Oh right, I can't discuss about it Feb 16 04:26:08 * iHackYou shuts up Feb 16 04:26:31 iHackYou, have you hacked me yet? lol Feb 16 04:26:43 Of course ;) Feb 16 04:27:23 awesome! what OS am I running? lol Feb 16 04:27:58 666 Feb 16 04:28:08 777 Feb 16 04:28:31 is 777 a jesus numbver idk Feb 16 04:28:41 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/we-currently-have-no-future-hp-webos-equipment-scheduled-to-be-released-on-the-sprint-network-at-this-time-sigh/ Feb 16 04:29:09 777 is full read write execute privileges on a folder :Q Feb 16 04:30:24 no more webOS on sprint :'( Feb 16 04:30:58 only the green robot (darn robots!) Feb 16 04:35:16 well, good night Feb 16 04:35:59 can't get on screen keyboard to work either Feb 16 04:45:38 rwhitby re; opkg Feb 16 04:47:06 er, ipkg-opt Feb 16 04:49:53 what is "cs08q1armel" Feb 16 04:51:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware-cross-compilation Feb 16 04:51:49 could point to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Feb 16 05:36:02 dtzWill: hey you around? Feb 16 05:36:46 oh, howdy again folks.. (I think 're' is the appropriate greeting? trying to remember my irc-quette.. :) Feb 16 05:37:23 oc80z: cs08q1armel is a specific toolchain build, which was compatible with the webOS rootfs Feb 16 05:38:36 do folks have a favorite IDE? (and actually is there a page where's someone's done a breakdown?) Feb 16 05:38:46 looking for something that works well with mojo, and ideally cross-platform Feb 16 05:39:07 emacs Feb 16 05:40:16 codeblocks Feb 16 05:40:17 geany Feb 16 05:40:20 vim Feb 16 05:40:34 not that I've done much programming in a long time, but when I do have to edit things it's either in vim or anjuta Feb 16 05:41:32 rwhitby: emacs++ Feb 16 05:41:34 emacs is the sparticus of rome while IDE's are not. Feb 16 05:41:49 hrm? Feb 16 05:41:55 emacs is spartacus? Feb 16 05:42:12 yes Feb 16 05:42:18 explain Feb 16 05:42:19 THIS IS SPARTA! Feb 16 05:42:28 explain? Feb 16 05:42:28 oc80z: oh Feb 16 05:42:32 that's not Spartacus :) Feb 16 05:42:46 you mean Leonidas. oddly enough, Spartacus wasn't Spartan. Feb 16 05:42:52 Neal Stevenson writes his novels in emacs. Feb 16 05:43:00 i know Feb 16 05:43:03 a theasian Feb 16 05:43:12 oc80z: I'm with him. I use Emacs mostly for writing words. Feb 16 05:43:17 so i'll take it that i'll get no recs in this channel, at least at this time of day :) Feb 16 05:43:22 but he still was a god. Feb 16 05:43:45 ajay: codeblocks, geany Feb 16 05:43:48 ajay: I like Espresso, but it's OSX only :p Feb 16 05:44:02 ajay what host will you use the IDE in? Feb 16 05:44:12 i mean, theres a bunch of stuff FOR free. Feb 16 05:44:14 pre* Feb 16 05:44:41 oz: linux Feb 16 05:44:50 err, oc: linux :) Feb 16 05:45:39 then use my examples. Feb 16 05:46:15 Like there's so many envs.. rhomobile, phonegap, apparat.io Feb 16 05:46:27 Anjuta? Feb 16 05:46:30 vi <3 Feb 16 05:46:41 yes, vi is less than 3 Feb 16 05:46:47 :) Feb 16 05:46:48 hi Feb 16 05:47:12 im usually in userspace Feb 16 05:47:28 rwhitby: do you write phone apps in Emacs js-mode? Feb 16 05:47:29 but at kernel i use vim Feb 16 05:47:54 wgreenhouse: I cut and paste oil's code - I don't write apps myself :) Feb 16 05:48:05 rwhitby: k Feb 16 05:48:13 im patching dnsmasq.h, option.h and more. Feb 16 05:48:26 wgreenhouse: http://code.google.com/p/js2-mode/ Feb 16 05:48:33 oc80z: ok will look them up.. Feb 16 05:48:35 trying to break the soa protocols on ttl. Feb 16 05:48:41 rwhitby: ah yeah, I hear great things about js2-mode Feb 16 05:48:49 a lot of the people over at #emacs on this server like it Feb 16 05:49:27 does 'pinging' someone on twitter mean following them? if I can't dm them then i know what not else to do.. oh, maybe just msging them? Feb 16 05:49:37 err, @'ing, not msg'ing. Feb 16 05:52:51 ocz: can i get a quick soundbite on why you like/chose those tools? Feb 16 05:53:32 ajay: I'd assume it means dm or @, but I've never heard the term used for twitter before. Feb 16 05:53:36 i use vim Feb 16 05:53:51 i will use geany if in userspace Feb 16 05:53:59 (scripts and configs) Feb 16 05:54:16 because it has collapsable statements Feb 16 05:54:22 Zinge: they said they'd follow me if I pinged them, and i can't seem to dm, so yeah, not sure which it means (this is for apparatio) Feb 16 05:54:40 i will be programming c next quarter Feb 16 05:54:44 geany doesn't offer a binary, gah.. ;^) Feb 16 05:54:50 a binary? Feb 16 05:54:58 Probably @ then. Feb 16 05:55:15 Zinge: yeah that's what i did.. hope they don't expect me to follow them.. ;^) Feb 16 05:55:17 i thought it could compile and execute or load browser for .php Feb 16 05:59:05 it'd be nice if i could grab an open source android project and with relative ease port it over to webOS, whatever tool'd do that be the perfect tool for me Feb 16 05:59:06 random: is the wirc notification vibrate coded in the app, or just because my phone is on silent at the moment? Feb 16 05:59:52 Zinge: the latter Feb 16 06:00:01 it dings if your phone isn't on silent Feb 16 06:00:18 also, you change notification settings from the preferences scene Feb 16 06:00:51 darn. ok, thanks. it's buzzing a little longer than I'd like, I figured if it was in the app I could shorten it a bit in terminal :-) Feb 16 06:01:45 well, don't let what I'm saying deter you from peeking at the source code Feb 16 06:03:51 I'm debating tradeoffs of battery life vs. multitasking. as in "do I bother doing a bunch of stuff on my phone at once and killing my battery when I'm stuck at work and it has to last for another hour before I an go harge it?" :-) Feb 16 06:04:16 can go charge it* Feb 16 06:04:53 and for that... Is where portable battery packs come in handy Feb 16 06:05:56 Zinge: is your phone overclocked? Feb 16 06:06:15 was wondering specifically on webOS Feb 16 06:06:36 800 right now. I just happened to leave my charge at home. Usually I have one here. Feb 16 06:06:48 Zinge: I use 600 generally Feb 16 06:06:58 ajay, I think you typed that in the wrong window :-) Feb 16 06:07:01 then I can use a lot of tasks without totally nuking the battery Feb 16 06:08:08 * SineOt has a pretty thin Energizer pack... Holds like 2000mAh or something. Feb 16 06:08:12 if I run lower than 800, it starts to get unusable much of the time. normally I'm ok with battery though. and I leave chargers lying around everywhere. Feb 16 06:08:16 * ajay is surprised he doesn't wrong window more.. ;^) Feb 16 06:08:35 We've got a bigger pack, probably the size of a Pre + Pixi stacked, but it's 8000mAh and can run a netbook for 6 hours :p Feb 16 06:08:48 Zinge: hmm. fixed speed 600 works really well for me on my pre+ Feb 16 06:09:00 even with wIRC connected to 3 servers while listening to a podcast Feb 16 06:09:45 I'm on a pre-... Feb 16 06:10:04 not that it should really matter for speed Feb 16 06:10:11 it absolutely does Feb 16 06:10:16 hmm, perhaps it's a RAM or I/O issue? Feb 16 06:10:27 I sit corrected. Feb 16 06:11:10 mainly cause swap is so slow on a Pre, that not having enough RAM will kill your performance Feb 16 06:11:39 you could help that with compcache enabled, no? Feb 16 06:12:34 * wgreenhouse is using the uberkernel with compache Feb 16 06:12:35 * SineOt runs his Pixi with 24MB compcache enabled, hasn't seen a TMC error in like... Doesn't remember the last time, even. Feb 16 06:12:58 similar settings here, SineOt Feb 16 06:13:04 I have seen the TMC error a bit recently Feb 16 06:13:11 after days of using freeTether Feb 16 06:13:48 I'm bummed about the Veer being GSM only + nothing coming to Sprint Feb 16 06:13:48 now I'm running jstop with automatic garbage collection to see if that can totally eliminate the problem Feb 16 06:13:49 I don't have TMC errors, but my phone sometimes decides it's done listening to me and freezes up for a bit :-) Feb 16 06:14:00 came to Sprint for webOS, now I guess I'll leave Sprint for webOS :p Feb 16 06:14:03 * ajay is convinced Palm needs to do a 1.4.6 or 1.5 for Pre-'s AT THE LEAST. ASAP. Feb 16 06:14:38 SineOt: I thought carriers for Pre3 at least were still up in the air? Feb 16 06:15:10 Zinge: Sprint's like, "CEO Support Team" has said that they have no plans for future webOS devices Feb 16 06:15:24 and given the Pre3 is out in ~6 months, no plans right now means it probably won't happen Feb 16 06:15:55 I do wonder why they specifically said what radios the Veer+Pre3 have in them... curious.. and why veer would be gsm-only.. weird.. Feb 16 06:16:28 It seems silly, but maybe it was a size issue? Feb 16 06:16:42 doubt that Feb 16 06:17:12 * wgreenhouse hopes the TouchPad picks a sweet price point Feb 16 06:17:14 I know that it shouldn't matter, but maybe when they were sourcing parts the CDMA chip that they were able to get was a bit bigger? Feb 16 06:17:16 * rwhitby bbl Feb 16 06:17:21 probably not, but just a thought Feb 16 06:17:23 I think, and this is conjecture: the Veer is GSM only because it's the last device Palm, and PALM Palm not HP Palm, finished, and the decision for GSM only was made to cut costs Feb 16 06:17:52 GSM means one antenna design and it works pretty much anywhere in the world, CDMA means another antenna design and you can really only use it in like, 4 countries Feb 16 06:17:57 SineOt: They're both the last device, afaic Feb 16 06:18:29 the FCC filing for the Veer doesn't mention HP anywhere in it, so I think it's been "ready" for a while Feb 16 06:18:41 antenna design is not difficult/expensive, especially with the way webOS hardware to-date has been designed Feb 16 06:19:02 with modular, separate communications boards, you mean? Feb 16 06:19:19 no, but doing one board instead of two, regardless of the ease, would still be an added cost Feb 16 06:20:38 SineOt: I'm sure sales easily replace that cost, especially since there's no pixi-form factor on 2 us carriers now (2 out of the big 3) Feb 16 06:21:11 I wonder about that. Feb 16 06:21:12 I think att is still the biggest carrier, but i have to imagine its days as such are numbered Feb 16 06:21:35 Well, I'm still hoping that around June-ish when I go to get a new phone, Sprint has decided to carry something new and webos-y. If not, I guess I'll get something else. Feb 16 06:21:50 Sprint still carries the Pixi I think, as does ATT Feb 16 06:21:51 ajay: it seems as though smartphone customers lately find even the Pre's form factor too small Feb 16 06:22:04 they've gotten used to gigantic rectangles that run Android and don't fit in pockets Feb 16 06:22:21 Yeah, Sprint still carries the Pixi, and ATT still carries the Pixi+ Feb 16 06:22:23 wgreenhouse: it is for me, no doubt.. but some folks love'em pixis! Feb 16 06:22:38 I love my Pixi! And I have a huge boner for the Veer Feb 16 06:22:41 i don't have my pixi in my pocket, i don't want to scratch it like rob did Feb 16 06:22:50 err, my pre, but whatever :) Feb 16 06:23:08 wgreenhouse: See, otters will buy it Feb 16 06:23:25 gah--speaking of which, my little microfiber carry case just went missing again Feb 16 06:23:27 hmph. Feb 16 06:23:38 microfiber carry case? sounds hot! Feb 16 06:24:52 otters have small pockets therefore small phones Feb 16 06:25:06 * ajay LOVES autocompletion in ubuntu.. tar zxvf won't complete a filename ending in .bz2? why, of course not! SO SMART! Feb 16 06:25:19 but at least they aren't sea otters where a fatty flap of skin in the armpit serves as a pocket for clams :U Feb 16 06:25:23 * ajay didn't know otters had pockets Feb 16 06:25:29 oh Feb 16 06:25:39 lol Feb 16 06:25:51 Yeah sea otters will stuff things in their armpits to save for later Feb 16 06:25:52 ajay: it came with my ATT Pre+ Feb 16 06:26:01 I probably have a couple still sitting in a drawer from my month-long exchange debacle trying to get a replacement phone that wasn't falling apart. Ended up wit a decent number of spare accessories though. Feb 16 06:26:08 li'l gray and orange sleeve with the palm logo on the front Feb 16 06:26:14 wgreenhouse: yum.. now if only palm gave devs microfiber cases, THAT'd change the equation! ;^) Feb 16 06:26:17 woot got ubercalendar working :-) metaview dev fixed it ... I had to remove all current patches Feb 16 06:26:31 yeah, I thought it was a thoughtful touch Feb 16 06:26:48 I'm on att pre + Feb 16 06:26:49 I didn't have to drop $40 on some phone case on my way out of the store Feb 16 06:26:50 the Pre came with a lot of stuff. Sleeve case, headphones... Feb 16 06:26:54 wgreenhouse: is that OEM?? what.. damn Feb 16 06:26:56 Pixi came with a charger and a cable. Feb 16 06:26:56 I got mirco sleeve Feb 16 06:27:02 oh wait, THAT sleeve Feb 16 06:27:06 i thought you said case.. Feb 16 06:27:07 haha Feb 16 06:27:08 ignore me Feb 16 06:27:09 ajay: yeah, my phone came with an OEM sleeve and OEM earbuds Feb 16 06:27:24 ah, sorry my choice of vocabulary confused the issue Feb 16 06:27:34 wgreenhouse: no your right i've called that a case before.. :) Feb 16 06:27:56 sleeve, earbuds, charger, able, battery. I have about 6 of each. I give'em away as part favors. Feb 16 06:28:03 heh Feb 16 06:28:06 you're even.. i've just been dreaming about a case, and thinking about how i just bought 2 of those Vz touchstone deals, now I need to figure out what to do with the holster case.. Feb 16 06:28:09 use it or sell it.. Feb 16 06:28:11 s/able/cable Feb 16 06:28:17 what are we talking about tonight ? Feb 16 06:28:23 Zinge: i want to come to your party! :) Feb 16 06:28:42 joebpre: good cross-compiling dev environments.. :) Feb 16 06:28:52 wierd Feb 16 06:29:04 * Zinge starts planning party for ajay Feb 16 06:29:13 oo! Feb 16 06:29:46 cross compiling meaning you can cross compile what you write, or that you can run the dev environment on different systems? Feb 16 06:30:06 maybe a sweet 16 or Quinceanera or debutante ball! Feb 16 06:31:35 Zinge: cross-compile/package what you write.. Feb 16 06:31:57 Got it. Feb 16 06:32:00 * ajay is compiling geany now.. hope FF doesn't get mad it doesn't get to go to 100% CPU Feb 16 06:37:38 freaking NS_INT32SZ Feb 16 06:38:01 yea yea Feb 16 06:38:30 * ajay wonders why you should have to login to use ares.. Feb 16 06:40:16 because they store your stuff Feb 16 06:41:58 yea, seems like they'd let you play, but i guess that makes sense.. Feb 16 06:53:46 hm, ares is not super easy-to-use.. i hope the enyo upgrade gets some use fixes.. Feb 16 06:55:02 I hope there are some serious improvements (or alternate, 3rd-party viewers) for PDF Viewer in webos 2.0 Feb 16 06:55:13 one of the things I'd consider buying a TouchPad for is reading papers Feb 16 06:55:21 at the moment the iPad rocks at that Feb 16 06:55:27 but I have no desire to use iOS Feb 16 06:55:53 PDF viewer in webos 1.x is an incredible disappointment Feb 16 06:56:25 wgreenhouse, with a side view patch it's OK Feb 16 06:56:32 drzero: no, it's not. Feb 16 06:56:38 it doesn't even have copy and paste Feb 16 06:56:44 there are iOS pdf programs with annotation Feb 16 06:56:47 you can't read paper with a touchpad! sheesh.. ;^) Feb 16 06:57:02 It seems to error out on a lot of random pdf's that work fine on desktops as well... Feb 16 06:57:07 Zinge: yeah Feb 16 06:57:17 it's as bad as Linux pdf viewers were about 10 years ago Feb 16 06:57:24 really appalling Feb 16 06:58:01 the landscape view patch just makes it legible at all, not any good Feb 16 07:01:23 dtzWill: it's .. oh, haha that was my next q.. :) Feb 16 07:01:52 Well, work is over. Time to go home and be productive. Goodnight all. Feb 16 07:02:03 OpenGL doesn't exist on the Pixi/+, right? Feb 16 07:02:34 ajay: well we WERE talking in PM Feb 16 07:02:35 lol Feb 16 07:02:38 i mean no particular reason Feb 16 07:02:41 guess i can take a hint Feb 16 07:03:23 dtzWill: well, nobody knew we were talking in PM until you said that! :) i figured i might as well throw that question out there.. ;^) Feb 16 07:04:33 yppers Feb 16 07:04:41 ajay: i thought it did, lol. Feb 16 07:04:41 woa! hitting the launch button on Ares, um, launched! haha unexpected.. :) Feb 16 07:04:54 thought it didn't used to or something Feb 16 07:05:11 but then it did and since sdl was broken that was what you were SUPPOSED to use for pdk stuff on the pixi Feb 16 07:05:21 actually i'm rather sure of it b/c my emulators i've been porting to pixi and they use GL Feb 16 07:05:24 dtzWill: the pixi does do OpenGL? oh.. Feb 16 07:05:43 dtzWill: Oh yes i think you're right! Feb 16 07:05:59 that's annoying.. Feb 16 07:08:31 what's annoying? Feb 16 07:08:36 also zomg we should pick pm or here Feb 16 07:08:37 the both is bad Feb 16 07:08:43 i vote here, this is suitable for channel talk Feb 16 07:08:55 kind of thing that's good to share with others Feb 16 07:08:58 miss having dev talk here Feb 16 07:08:59 :D Feb 16 07:09:42 haha Feb 16 07:09:44 np Feb 16 07:10:09 good thing they destroyed the Pixi (no SDL) vs Pre (SDL) discrepancy then.. Feb 16 07:10:33 dtzWill: I have a (likely unworking) widk install Feb 16 07:10:59 redundant. Feb 16 07:11:00 lol Feb 16 07:11:04 yuk yuk yuk Feb 16 07:11:16 dtzWill: and if I want to build X11 Server on my pre, i just grab xserver off git.woi and it should be good to 'make'? Feb 16 07:11:29 ajay: ...on.. your...pre? Feb 16 07:11:36 no it has all kinds of deps Feb 16 07:11:40 that are all in the wIDK Feb 16 07:11:40 oh Feb 16 07:11:45 yeah ok Feb 16 07:11:48 check the WIDK's xserver makefile to see what they are Feb 16 07:11:52 i'll check if my widk is broke or not.. Feb 16 07:12:16 damn i wish i downloaded that dude's Linux P/SDK when he posted it.. now the link's broke and he won't reply to anyone.. d'oh! Feb 16 07:13:30 * dtzWill wonders if his copy of the WIDK still works Feb 16 07:13:53 oh somebody told me they've made updates to widk since i last played with it, so maybe i should restart with the directions.. Feb 16 07:16:29 i should be able to just do a 'git checkout' of xserver, right? Feb 16 07:16:50 ajay: git clone Feb 16 07:17:10 ajay: but like i said it'll expected various deps to be staged Feb 16 07:17:16 staged? Feb 16 07:17:18 (headers, etc, for the build) Feb 16 07:17:26 and libraries at runtime Feb 16 07:17:34 that's just the server itself in that source tree. Feb 16 07:17:45 uh Feb 16 07:17:48 dtzWill: but you said all that stuff's in the widk right? Feb 16 07:17:52 yes. Feb 16 07:17:56 so just grab the widk Feb 16 07:18:17 dtzWill: i already said i had the widk :) Feb 16 07:19:23 cd packages/x/xorg-server Feb 16 07:19:41 make stage ARCH=armv7 Feb 16 07:19:51 although i think the ARCH'll default to armv7, don't remember. Feb 16 07:19:58 no target to make Feb 16 07:20:10 o_O Feb 16 07:20:14 'stage' is a target :( Feb 16 07:20:27 oh wait Feb 16 07:21:07 dtzWill: where do i put the git clone then? Feb 16 07:21:18