**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 17 02:59:57 2011 Feb 17 03:07:17 Hello all. Jumping right in with a question. My wallpaper resets to default after every reboot. Why? Feb 17 03:07:33 severely modded Pre+ on Sprint. Feb 17 03:08:41 any ideas? Feb 17 03:09:12 * Davide-NYC afk Feb 17 03:16:59 I'm looking to port an NDK app from Android to PDK, but I do my development on Linux. Is the WIDK a viable option for commercial webos development on the level of the official PDK? Feb 17 03:20:19 bsharitt: applications compiled using the WIDK are admissible to the official app catalog Feb 17 03:20:40 of course there is no support and no warranty and no documentation. Feb 17 03:21:56 Excellent, that's pretty much what I thought, but I wanted to make sure. Feb 17 03:22:34 one tip - don't try and build the whole thing, just build what you need Feb 17 03:23:22 Just from what I've read this evening it looks like maybe the WIDK would let me build OpenGL and SDL apps that are pretty close to what I would do on stock linux? Feb 17 03:25:41 Or maybe OpenGL required the real PDK Feb 17 03:28:15 s i Feb 17 03:28:20 o_O sorry. Feb 17 03:29:06 bsharitt: you can build opengles apps with the WIDK for sure, i do it all the time :). Feb 17 03:29:11 ditto for SDL apps. Feb 17 03:29:22 as have others, and they're happily in the app cat :). Feb 17 03:29:31 Ok, good Feb 17 03:29:51 hay Feb 17 03:34:32 hi PatrickC_Pre Feb 17 03:34:35 so, what's up? Feb 17 03:34:40 hi Feb 17 03:35:54 anyone here hear of an awesome site called www.awesomeapreviews.wordpress.com ? Feb 17 03:36:15 I mean www.awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com Feb 17 03:51:27 anyone hear of /topic and things that might be off-topic? Feb 17 03:51:55 ? Feb 17 03:52:33 cdm: too many 'awesome's in the blatant advertising 15 minutes ago Feb 17 03:53:08 ahhhh Feb 17 03:55:26 * rwhitby feels that he should know who 'chronic' is, but can't recall. Feb 17 04:08:17 rwhitby: any luck with the verizon serial Feb 17 04:19:10 how do I restart luna while on the phone I did s manual restart of the phone and that didn't work Feb 17 04:19:27 s/s/a Feb 17 04:19:43 a manual restart restarts everything, including Luna Feb 17 04:20:27 weird didn't work Feb 17 04:53:24 good evening Feb 17 04:54:11 You might find http://youtube.com/webosinternals interesting ... Feb 17 04:55:20 anyone have a few minutes to help me figure out why my ubuntu machine is locking up when trying to make the meta doctor version of webos doc? Feb 17 05:09:20 well, seemed to work the fifth time around. Feb 17 05:41:42 anyone here on gentoo have hints on installing the sdk? Feb 17 05:53:00 run a vm with ubuntu on it? Feb 17 05:54:12 :P Feb 17 05:54:24 * halfhalo likes this plan Feb 17 05:54:28 :D Feb 17 05:54:51 if that's the easiest way.... Feb 17 05:55:20 well, that's what it's intended for, and making it work on gentoo is certainly POSSIBLE but you're pretty much on your own. Feb 17 05:57:17 rboatright: thanks for your forthrightness...i'll forge ahead for a bit...failing that...virtual ubuntu Feb 17 05:58:23 not meaning to offend, but there's literally only one guy on the webos-internals core team who uses gentoo at all, and he avoids the sdk.... Feb 17 05:58:44 i wasn't offended at all.... :) Feb 17 06:00:05 Now, if on the other hand, you were running some exotic version of windows, or centos, or any debian varient, I could find you someone. But -- there you are running a really out in left field wacko distribution of Linux.... :-) Feb 17 06:00:15 There. Did I manage to offend yet? Feb 17 06:00:22 I can try harder :-) ;-) Feb 17 06:00:31 please do.... Feb 17 06:00:38 hehehehehhe Feb 17 06:00:41 one must have thick skin to run gentoo Feb 17 06:00:58 and....exotic windows??? that cut close!! Feb 17 06:01:02 damn you sir!! Feb 17 06:01:18 hehehehe Feb 17 06:01:28 * halfhalo goes and hugs his windows Feb 17 06:01:40 halfhalo: are they exotic? Feb 17 06:01:52 possibly... Feb 17 06:01:56 I actually had someone running the android sdk on windows server 2008 Web Server edition the other day in a different channel.... Feb 17 06:02:06 which was just --odd-- Feb 17 06:02:07 * halfhalo is weird... he would much rather use windows that linux Feb 17 06:02:26 rboatright: i have run the palm sdk on server 2008 Feb 17 06:03:14 note please that this was not only sever 2008, but the WEB SERVER edition thereof. Feb 17 06:03:39 OK...exotic Feb 17 06:19:22 "the service is not running" ? Feb 17 06:49:03 preware is amazing...thank you Feb 17 06:57:08 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/47997325/Compressed-Swap-for-Embedded-Linux Feb 17 06:57:19 performance graphs of that features Feb 17 06:57:23 feature **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 17 07:32:19 2011 Feb 17 08:06:21 important feedback on the videos from @hoagtim: @Adora all I really got out of that is Oil moves around a lot and may actually fly. Was there another lesson in there? Feb 17 08:07:38 lol Feb 17 08:08:31 * ka6sox read pigs fly... too tired obviously Feb 17 08:20:37 Adora: i dont think there was a lesson to the videos, just that they were cool :) Feb 17 08:20:57 well I learned a lesson from them Feb 17 08:21:21 how much work you guys put into maintaining everyone's contributions Feb 17 08:21:48 I mean, not that I didn't already know, but visualizing it like that.... Feb 17 08:21:53 I'll admit, I teared up =] Feb 17 08:22:11 haha Feb 17 08:23:19 oil... :D Feb 17 08:24:43 also: I like fireworks Feb 17 08:24:51 * ka6sox can't wait till new server arrives...old one needs to go to hospital. Feb 17 09:08:22 Adora, to what do we owe the pleasure? Feb 17 11:41:50 Adora: where's the scan URL? Feb 17 11:42:26 winner sent me a 100mb file Feb 17 11:42:44 from a less-than-awesome scanner Feb 17 11:43:05 I'm sitting here wondering what I can do with it as I answer emails Feb 17 11:44:03 Put it on the Palm CDN ;) Feb 17 11:44:39 hahahahah Feb 17 11:44:49 I just scaled it down to like, 5% Feb 17 11:44:54 this will totally work Feb 17 11:45:11 will flickr it before I go to bed, but won't tweet until tomorrow Feb 17 11:45:42 * rwhitby-pre check flikr Feb 17 11:47:08 still on dentist flavours Feb 17 11:47:53 that made me lol this morning Feb 17 11:48:30 I'm glad you liked the dev history videos - I had fun making them Feb 17 11:49:04 you can really see the ebb and flow of development in them Feb 17 11:49:18 different people coming and going Feb 17 11:49:43 webOS version changes causing big impacts, etc Feb 17 11:50:08 yeah, I'd love to have you do a director's track or something Feb 17 11:50:19 talking about what happened to cause all those changes Feb 17 11:50:40 Preware - director's cut. Feb 17 11:51:16 I'd have to get a fluffy bathrobe and thongs (feet thongs) and have a cigar to do that. Feb 17 11:52:30 at least that's how I imagine big hollywood directors do those voice-overs ... Feb 17 11:54:09 I always forget that when I tweet stuff in my afternoon, very few people actually see it go by. Feb 17 11:57:23 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sophistechate/5453411088/ Feb 17 11:58:09 rwhitby: it works though, because you can catch the people we mericans don't Feb 17 11:58:34 and I can retweet during mericantime Feb 17 11:58:45 I wonder what the overlap is between our followers Feb 17 12:02:40 need that hptwynergy app to find out Feb 17 12:04:26 hahahahaah Feb 17 12:04:32 I have it, it's not very useful Feb 17 12:04:37 aww - can read the text of that article on the Pre Feb 17 12:04:47 s/can/can't/ Feb 17 12:04:48 rwhitby-pre meant: aww - can't read the text of that article on the Pre Feb 17 12:05:02 rwhitby: refresh, I just put it in the description Feb 17 12:06:08 rockstar Feb 17 12:06:47 psh, whatever =] Feb 17 12:07:06 chick article. doesn't count Feb 17 12:07:31 heh, as if that's a chick article Feb 17 12:07:52 you know as well as I do the intended demographic for that article Feb 17 12:07:54 AND, this is totally payback for all the promotion we do of their silly voting competitions Feb 17 12:08:25 that's what I mean...an article about chicks in tech intended to make guys go omg Feb 17 12:08:43 I'm like, linkbait for that kind of stuff =] Feb 17 12:09:07 must be tough being a rockstar chick :) Feb 17 12:10:29 like you wouldn't believe. The australians are crazy about me, I hear Feb 17 12:10:42 hah! Feb 17 12:13:08 * rwhitby-pre bbt - night all Feb 17 12:13:59 \o_ Feb 17 12:14:24 4am here, I should be doing the same...however, gotta get down off my high horse and approve some friggin apps Feb 17 12:34:57 Adora, have any plans for SCALE? will we be graced with your presence? Feb 17 13:00:16 Hiya Feb 17 13:09:34 good morning Feb 17 13:27:14 anyone know if the Pre3 got a GPU? Feb 17 13:27:40 or is the MSM 8x55 cpu so new it aint revealed yet? Feb 17 13:28:09 it has a GPU in it .. one of those qualcomm dealies Feb 17 13:28:42 Adreno something or other Feb 17 13:28:52 ok, just curious what version it might be, seen some spec of the Veer that states int got a Adreno 205 but thats not that fast is it Feb 17 13:29:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adreno#Renaming_to_Adreno Feb 17 13:32:09 rwhitby: wow gource is really cool looking (re http://www.youtube.com/webosinternals) Feb 17 14:07:31 bpaladino: ty for the link re GPU Feb 17 15:12:14 what's up? Feb 17 15:12:31 * PatrickC_Pre will be lurking Feb 17 15:30:11 YouTube playback broke on iPads and WebOS. Probably a temporary YouTube codec issue. Feb 17 15:30:16 hopefully Feb 17 15:31:13 checking the android channel now Feb 17 15:31:17 yea I ant watch a youtibe vid on my pre Feb 17 15:31:31 s/ant/cant Feb 17 15:31:38 none of us can Feb 17 15:32:37 does anyone have an Android phone to test? Feb 17 15:32:59 or an iPad? Feb 17 15:33:07 I'm on both the android channels asking Feb 17 15:34:39 webOS users wouldn't even notice. Feb 17 15:34:53 hay oil Feb 17 15:35:02 hello Feb 17 15:35:05 I have an android phone up stairs ... I haven't booted it up in a week Feb 17 15:35:06 and what would webos users not notice? Feb 17 15:35:16 they'd assume it was part of the normal "there was an error playing back the file" game Feb 17 15:35:24 oil, did I break the youtube app? Feb 17 15:35:33 idk Feb 17 15:35:33 lol Feb 17 15:35:40 not devs :) Feb 17 15:35:53 Lets look at the wheel'o'blame Feb 17 15:36:03 yep, oil did it Feb 17 15:36:16 rotfl ... who made that wheel anyway Feb 17 15:36:19 the android people are ignoring me lol Feb 17 15:36:26 I think sugardave Feb 17 15:36:36 They're jealous of your integrated messaging Feb 17 15:36:49 I know Feb 17 15:37:01 I'm asking for the 3rd time Feb 17 15:37:02 PatrickC_Pre: the android chan is always dead join #cyanogenmod Feb 17 15:37:09 I'll keep asking till they talk Feb 17 15:37:17 the android chan is always dead? since when? Feb 17 15:37:20 they are talking on the #android-dev channel Feb 17 15:38:07 summatusmentis: let me refrsse .. they take forever to answer Feb 17 15:38:22 that I would believe Feb 17 15:38:23 they b mean over in the android-dev channel! Feb 17 15:38:34 that chan also Feb 17 15:38:34 it's been a while since I've been in the android channels Feb 17 15:39:00 I can't talk with Android people...you try to have an intelligent conversation about the differences in the UI and all they can talk about is the "endless customization" you can do with Android. Feb 17 15:39:50 seventy bajillion widgets and wall papers, but you can't see what freaking apps are running! Feb 17 16:31:30 idontwan2know on android a task-killer app is critical. Feb 17 16:33:16 yep on android a task killer is almost life and death Feb 17 16:33:54 rboatright: the reverse of that, is everyone uses it and it works very well :p Feb 17 16:50:51 rboatright: yes, but the point is...Android has a bunch of apps to do things that webOS does natively Feb 17 16:51:02 how ludicrous is it that you need an app to manage your apps? Feb 17 16:51:19 prety ludicris that it's not built in Feb 17 16:51:26 and that there's no way to do with with built in stuff Feb 17 16:51:40 And I still haven't heard of an Android app that does integrated messaging. Feb 17 16:51:55 I really can't go back. Feb 17 16:52:09 Used an IM app on my pre for a few weeks and HATED it. Feb 17 16:52:16 But the REAL ludicrous thing is, you have these programms (like messaging and irc and stuff) runing in the background and you CAN NOT TELL from the UI and there's no built in way in the UI to switch to them unless they expose alerts. Feb 17 16:52:27 Cards is such a POWEERFUL PARADIGM Feb 17 16:52:57 no doubt...that's why slowly but surely it's becoming the standard Feb 17 16:53:15 apple will probably be the last to adopt it, but it just makes too much sense Feb 17 16:53:51 BB and WP7 are already there (or will be when QNS is ported to phones) Feb 17 16:55:58 ayep Feb 17 16:56:25 how long did it take Jobs to finally admit the two button mouse was a good idea? 15, 20 years? Feb 17 16:56:27 as (was it precentral) said the other day, it appears that palm discovered the steering while, while apple is clinging to the tiller.... Feb 17 17:00:36 idontwant2know: he's reasoning was good, his implementation was bad Feb 17 17:01:34 basically, if your application is so complex that it requires more than 2 clicks to do something then maybe you need to find a different way of doing it Feb 17 17:14:09 well, there's merit to that argument Feb 17 17:14:58 but his failure to realize that he could not dictate how applications get written with less than 10% of the market using his OS was pretty ridiculous Feb 17 17:30:37 he didn't dictate anything. the Macs back then came with a 1-button mouse. Most of the Apple software worked within the HIG, others, like CAD, stressed that this application was too complex to use that mouse Feb 17 17:31:06 what he did do was keep logitech in business :-) Feb 17 17:31:47 heh Feb 17 17:31:59 think how many PCs came with the stock MS mouse, Dell mouse, or some derivative of both Feb 17 17:33:32 true Feb 17 17:33:59 anyway, now that we have multitouch mice and touchpads, its the other OSes that lag behind Feb 17 17:35:14 Windows is still designed around the idea of 2-3 button mouse. Feb 17 17:35:57 and for most people thats all they need. I use a magic trackpad and my colleagues still can't wrap their heads around it Feb 17 17:38:13 3-4-5 finger swipes, scroll by line, by page, send to another desktop, organize side-by-side Feb 17 18:51:23 Hello, can anyone here help me with my wifi going to sleep all the time? Feb 17 18:55:16 :( Feb 17 18:57:02 HebrewHammer: turn the setting on to keep it awake? Feb 17 18:57:59 well, I have the setting already set to keep it awake even when the pre is sleeping but it still goes to sleep Feb 17 18:58:12 HebrewHammer: how do you know it is going to sleep Feb 17 18:58:17 is there some config file I can look into w/ bash to check the settings? Feb 17 18:58:36 b/c when I turn my screen back on the wifi is off and then starts back up and connects Feb 17 18:59:28 i had mytether installed and I thought that may be causing it so I unistalled it and its service but that didn't help Feb 17 19:00:20 HebrewHammer: yep, that's what's causing it 99% Feb 17 19:00:45 But the wifi doesn't turn off when the pre's screen turns off every time, it's wierd. Sometimes it does it instantly, sometimes after the screen has been off for like 10 min. Feb 17 19:00:48 unless someone can verify mytether's uninstall process is 100% effective.. in the past it hasn't been Feb 17 19:01:07 ugh, yea. that's what I thought was the problem Feb 17 19:01:07 in the future use freetether, in the meantime, try updating your router firmware Feb 17 19:01:24 HebrewHammer: or can you confirm that it happens on multiple networks? Feb 17 19:01:29 b/c i'm not 100% sure but i'm pretty sure this started happening about the time I updated mytether Feb 17 19:02:23 but I ran the WebOSRepairUtility and it did find anything but I guess this is something that cannot fix Feb 17 19:02:36 yea, it definitely happens on multiple networks Feb 17 19:02:38 HebrewHammer: can you try ipkg remove net.aonic.my-tether just to check? Feb 17 19:02:42 my home network and school network Feb 17 19:02:52 sure Feb 17 19:03:15 " No packages removed. Nothing to be done" Feb 17 19:03:18 :( Feb 17 19:03:24 HebrewHammer: if you don't use it, you could also try disabling usbnet Feb 17 19:03:24 permanent damage I guess Feb 17 19:03:29 "usbnet disable" and reboot Feb 17 19:03:43 is that for tethering thru usb? Feb 17 19:03:48 HebrewHammer: yes Feb 17 19:03:57 you can always reenable it Feb 17 19:04:01 but just to see if that's whats causing it Feb 17 19:04:01 k, i dont use that. i'll try disabling it Feb 17 19:04:41 Its rebooting Feb 17 19:05:00 HebrewHammer: and then double check your wifi setting :p the 'keep on' one Feb 17 19:05:37 Yea, something definitely got messed up b/c with mytether installed I could get a wifi network's signal (full strength), but after uninstalling it and rebooting the network wouldn't even show up (in the same spot) Feb 17 19:06:10 HebrewHammer: I haven't played with mytether in like 6 months. Do you know if it still uses a kernel module or not? Feb 17 19:07:16 i'm not sure Feb 17 19:08:16 but I searched around alot and I haven't seen anyone else having this problem so it just may be my specific combination of optware apps, patches, and tweaks Feb 17 19:09:16 Well, it has rebooted. Only time will tell now b/c of how sporadic it is Feb 17 19:09:19 thanx for your help! Feb 17 19:11:14 HebrewHammer: well there's always ways to troubleshoot it.. that's the nice part of webos' open stack :> Feb 17 19:11:45 yup, I freakin love webos Feb 17 19:11:55 I just hope for the love of god the Pre3 comes to Sprint Feb 17 19:12:19 it is fairly sexy Feb 17 19:12:25 i'm still rockin my luanch day pre, and I have never had to doctor it. :) Feb 17 19:12:25 even the pre 2 is a pretty big upgrade imo Feb 17 19:12:29 it's worth it just for flash :> Feb 17 19:12:34 yea Feb 17 19:12:57 I was just so freakin happy they kept a physical keyboard. I hate touchscreen keyboards Feb 17 19:13:06 also, 1.4GHz!!!! AWESOME Feb 17 19:13:12 and the large screen Feb 17 19:13:23 those are the only 3 things I really wanted, and HP delivered Feb 17 19:14:04 eh, Pre 2 can do 1.4ghz with a custom kernel ;) Feb 17 19:14:12 the camera on the pre 3 is nice too Feb 17 19:14:30 auto focus! Feb 17 19:14:57 oh yea! I forgot about that. that is a definite must Feb 17 19:15:14 I was really really surprised and dissapointed that it wasn't on the original pre Feb 17 19:15:48 extended field of depth is AWFUL!!!! Feb 17 19:16:01 is like smearing crisco on the lens of a camera Feb 17 20:25:25 Well that was interesting...felt the slider on my pre acting a little chunky today. Feb 17 20:25:55 Opened it up, pulled the battery and a screw fell out. Feb 17 20:26:43 Refurbs ftw. Feb 17 20:49:35 why does 'make doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK-Mac-1.4.5.465.pkg' want a sudo password for my user? Feb 17 20:49:59 * halfhalo dunnos Feb 17 20:51:53 well I "know" why... it's trying to automount the image it just converted... but my system doesn't use sudo Feb 17 20:52:10 so it can only fail at that point in the make process Feb 17 20:53:05 it's easy enough to do manually, but there has to be a better way than assuming that the person running the script is on a system that uses sudo Feb 17 21:01:28 RagingMind: what would be that better way, considering that it has to run that command as root? Feb 17 21:02:14 it already prints out the command that needs to be run as a next step, so why try to run it from the script? Feb 17 21:02:41 cause it's not a script, it's a makefile. hence you want it to run things automatically Feb 17 21:02:48 at that point someone could copy/paste the command with the sudo, or su to root and run the command without Feb 17 21:03:13 yep, you can do that if you choose. for the majority of people who have sudo, the current method is more convenient Feb 17 21:03:46 (remember how we only support running it on Ubuntu, which has sudo by default) Feb 17 21:04:03 the way it's built now I have to crtl-c to get out of the sudo prompt and then I get an error that the make failed and I"m not sure if was aborted early and something important didn't happen Feb 17 21:04:36 so follow the instructions and run it on Ubuntu Feb 17 21:05:44 I already run debian, I have absolutely no interest in installing ubuntu anytime in the next 3 years Feb 17 21:06:02 excellent. if you run debian, then you know what to do. Feb 17 21:06:43 yeah... I knew how to mount the image, but now I need a degree in make files to know if there's steps that were skipped Feb 17 21:07:07 seriously, we're not going to make a change which makes it less convenient on the supported host platform for someone who is running it on an unsupported host platform. Feb 17 21:11:15 copy/paste is trivial, reading through makefiles is not Feb 17 21:12:30 agreed. it Feb 17 21:12:47 is your decision to impose that difficulty on yourself. Feb 17 21:16:42 RagingMind: you could always install sudo on debian. Feb 17 21:17:32 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux mentions debian bases systems in a generic sense and Ubuntu in passing, but offers no specific distribution requirements Feb 17 21:18:16 ashi_, yup I could Feb 17 21:18:57 RagingMind: correct, those are the manual instructions, which (as you say) work on just about any system. Feb 17 21:19:28 The WIDK page is the documentation source for the cross-compile.git makefile Feb 17 21:20:00 those are the instructions that failed... and I found the part in the make file in question, looks like I didn't miss much Feb 17 21:20:04 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK - feel free to link that from the page you are looking at. Feb 17 21:21:37 RagingMind: ah, was all excited, then i realized this didn't include the toolchain :) Feb 17 21:22:00 does that mean that the components of the darwin toolchain are not open source? Feb 17 21:22:17 bbl Feb 17 21:28:49 a link to the code sourcey compiler would be helpful, methinks.. Feb 17 21:32:06 ajay_, which version though? the newest one or one of the two older ones that are listed on the PDK page for windows? Feb 17 21:34:37 RagingMind: ? I don't know what you mean.. i was referring to the PDK_on_Linux page saying 'get codesourcery Linux cross-compiler toolchain' .. ohh does make toolchain do that dl for you? if so my bad Feb 17 21:42:24 I think it does, I'm working though this slowly though Feb 17 21:43:08 and I"m noticing that the paths for java are hard coded in some of the SDK files, so those would have to change for linux Feb 17 21:44:56 and a bunch of library files in the host dir are for (duh) Mac Feb 17 21:45:41 rwhitby: I didn't really call you, but since you think i did, did you get my last email update for that thing i worked on? (weeks ago, i know ;^) Feb 17 21:45:56 yes, haven't got to that yet Feb 17 21:47:29 rwhitby: you didn't happen to have stuck the patch repo onto github yet have you? Feb 17 21:47:47 rwhitby: haven't gotten to reviewing/testing it, that email in general, or updating the source tree? (I'll assume not the last since i offered to submit) Feb 17 21:48:00 reviewing/testing Feb 17 21:48:47 k.. no pressure.. (at least, until I next doctor, which may or not be RSN.. ;^) Feb 17 21:48:51 if there's anything i can do, let me know! Feb 17 21:50:39 * rwhitby bbl Feb 17 22:16:44 hay Feb 17 22:19:36 RagingMind: patches to the wiki article welcome Feb 17 22:20:07 RagingMind: what stuff is for mac only besides toolchain? Feb 17 22:21:00 destinal, the scripts in bin/ look for a macos-specific java path Feb 17 22:21:23 and there are some libraries in host/ that are mac Feb 17 22:21:48 RagingMind: how is the host/ stuff used? I have to admit I've never used PDK Feb 17 22:21:58 I just changed one of the scripts to look for the java path on my computer and it opened the device profiler, but I have no idea hot to tell if it's working Feb 17 22:22:46 I'm not a developer either, but the directions for this were shorter than the widk, so I figured I'd start here Feb 17 22:23:06 * RagingMind wants to get something up and running so I can start learning stuffs Feb 17 22:24:16 RagingMind: yeah WIDK was really huge so I figured some may want to try just PDK. Feb 17 22:24:53 oh hah! some of the java bits do work when I change the path... and remember to plug in my phone Feb 17 22:25:55 but I'm not gonna run the pdk-device-install just yet Feb 17 22:26:01 RagingMind: considering how much of the mac one it "just works" on linux with the toolchain swapped out I'm surprised Palm / HP hasn't made an official linux version by now Feb 17 22:28:24 pdk-device-install chokes when it can't find dropbear? Feb 17 22:31:43 anyone get the doctor for the VZW Ore2? Feb 17 22:31:49 *Pre2* Feb 17 22:33:57 destinal, devprofile and nova-browser need slight changes (the java path) to launch Feb 17 22:34:07 but there's really not much to those scripts Feb 17 22:36:08 does anyone know how the version of dropbear in the preware feeds differ from the version supplied by palm in the SDK? Feb 17 22:41:39 RagingMind recognising there IS no java on webOS 2.0 ? Feb 17 22:42:01 rboatright, ? Feb 17 22:46:43 see yaz! Feb 17 22:52:16 hello Feb 17 22:52:24 hi Feb 17 22:55:25 hay Feb 17 23:14:02 General comment: LinPhone 0.1.6 has been working flawlessly! Feb 17 23:17:34 sconix_: excellent. do you think it is ready for a testing feed release? Feb 17 23:17:43 s/sconix_/scoinva/ Feb 17 23:17:44 rwhitby meant: scoinva: excellent. do you think it is ready for a testing feed release? Feb 17 23:20:56 Hi everyone Feb 17 23:21:17 hey Thibaud Feb 17 23:21:24 Is there anyway to access the OpenMax layer from an APP ? Feb 17 23:21:35 No. Feb 17 23:22:11 well, in webOS 2.0 you could do a hybrid app and access it from C/C++ Feb 17 23:22:22 I am speaking about a C++ app Feb 17 23:22:40 Depends on what you need access to in the jail then Feb 17 23:23:14 rwhitby: applied for the 2.x EAP, waiting for Palm's kind answer ... and access ;) Feb 17 23:23:24 omxil.so Feb 17 23:23:48 rwhitby: where can I learn more about the jail? Feb 17 23:29:18 the road is going to be long :D Feb 17 23:34:27 j-b: /etc/jail_hybrid.conf on the device Feb 17 23:35:05 rwhitby: k thx for the info... I am very new to WebOS, but it seems better than others Feb 17 23:35:19 whether I can do all I want is another discussion :) Feb 17 23:57:16 just wondering: has anyone here any knowledge and/or experience with the prox sensor API? Feb 17 23:58:03 rwhitby: did you get your verizon serial for a doctor .. I just went to a verizon store and they don't carry pre2 plus there phones are not live Feb 17 23:59:40 could activate it with a linphone app in the com.palm domain but it would suddenly "give-up" after 15s to 40s... Feb 18 00:12:27 joebpre: yes, got it Feb 18 00:13:20 rwhitby: cool .. what does this mean now that you have a verizon pre serial ? Feb 18 00:13:27 what happens now Feb 18 00:14:00 can get the Verizon Pre2 doctor when it's posted Feb 18 00:14:17 now you should follow @webosinternals on twitter (or the RSS feed) Feb 18 00:14:23 both of you Feb 18 00:14:27 that's it ? Feb 18 00:14:48 SineOt: I follow all webos related stuff Feb 18 00:14:52 rwhitby: I already do Feb 18 00:15:00 just saw that you've got the doctor already :p Feb 18 00:15:08 aw Feb 18 00:15:21 * joebpre opens up carbon Feb 18 00:16:10 lol it answered the big question Feb 18 00:16:47 rwhitby: where's the doctor info? I don't see it under Verizon Feb 18 00:16:57 Note that this does not help you get 2.0 on a Pre or Pre+” Feb 18 00:17:02 :-) Feb 18 00:17:58 SineOt: it's on the wiki Feb 18 00:18:09 I'm looking at the wiki, joebpre :p Feb 18 00:18:38 under Verizon there's still only the Pre+ and Pixi+ listed Feb 18 00:19:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions - it is now safe to use patches and kernels” Feb 18 00:19:36 man I can't wait till I can stack my cards Feb 18 00:19:53 joebpre: go to the Verizon section, find the Pre2 for me :p Feb 18 00:20:21 k Feb 18 00:23:28 SineOt: probably for all the pre ordered people Feb 18 00:23:44 wat Feb 18 00:25:13 omg this Att 3g sucks Feb 18 00:34:22 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions - it is now safe to use patches and kernels” Feb 18 00:34:39 SineOt: and haeffb Feb 18 00:41:22 has anyone tried get rdesktop to work in webOS? Feb 18 00:41:37 i know phone screen size isn't ideal, but it's workable Feb 18 00:46:45 maik: you'd want to use an SDL port of rdesktop Feb 18 00:46:54 but yeah, it could work Feb 18 00:47:19 ok. i figure i'm not the first to ask/have the idea, i just didn't know if one of you guys had tried it and was like "hah, no way that's gonna work" Feb 18 00:47:34 were* Feb 18 01:20:25 does govnah have polling Feb 18 01:25:36 yes, it polls Feb 18 01:27:28 maik: rdesktop-sdl is in the WIDK fwiw Feb 18 01:27:37 maik: don't know how much effort was put into making it work, but just FYI. Feb 18 01:27:47 it's not in non-working so it at least builds, and presumably runs. Feb 18 01:28:06 rdesktop is in there too, but that uses X. that DOES work, but is just stock rdesktop and has no improvements to be suitable for general use. Feb 18 01:36:20 wow you guys got a sprint pre I see Feb 18 01:37:01 poor anyone with anything before pre2. Feb 18 01:37:57 cdm: nothing wrong with castle Feb 18 01:38:05 (or pixie) Feb 18 01:39:22 if HP doesn't want to support them, the community may have to, but they're decent devices Feb 18 01:41:02 well, pre and pre+ are good. pixie doesn't have enough RAM. Feb 18 01:41:18 give a pixie 512M and watch it fly.... Feb 18 01:41:57 cdm: hmm, I suppose I could learn BGA rework :) Feb 18 01:42:57 pre- really doesn't have enough RAM to run webOS well. Pre+ is pretty good when overclocked. Feb 18 01:43:31 well, oc'd at 1ghz is basically a pre2, no? Feb 18 01:43:41 yes? Feb 18 01:43:53 its close in any case Feb 18 01:44:12 apart from the extra cache on the omap Feb 18 01:46:56 and glass screen :) Feb 18 01:47:45 * joebpre waits patiently Feb 18 01:48:20 dtzWill: thanks for the info, that helps Feb 18 01:58:00 I need to edit my twitter profile .. it still shows me as an android lover Feb 18 02:22:44 I think I found / created a decent govnah setting Feb 18 02:36:15 rwhitby: Pre2 has the real perf boost tho Feb 18 02:36:25 cdm: agreed Feb 18 02:36:30 rwhitby: the differnce in perf. between pre+ and pre2 at the same clock is drastic Feb 18 02:36:44 it has a newer Cortex-A8 with the write-back cache fixed Feb 18 02:36:55 so it's 1.2-1.4GB/s vs. 400MB/s Feb 18 02:37:22 and pixie suffers from not having 256M Feb 18 02:37:30 if it had the full 256M for webOS it would be fine Feb 18 02:37:34 like pre Feb 18 02:37:38 in fact, it would be better then pre Feb 18 02:45:07 yeah, in some benchmarks a normally clocked Pixi blows an overclocked Pre out of the water Feb 18 02:53:40 yep Feb 18 02:53:44 the rest are due to RAM pressure Feb 18 02:53:51 we had some 512M pixies Feb 18 02:53:54 amazing machines Feb 18 02:53:57 tried to get one before I left. Feb 18 02:54:06 totally changed the experience Feb 18 02:54:11 veer will be that way **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 18 02:59:57 2011