**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 18 02:59:57 2011 Feb 18 03:10:54 heh, everyone is too scared on post in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276069-using-verizon-pre-2-doctor-assist-sprint-pre-2-development.html Feb 18 03:23:23 Hows the build quality on the new Pres? Feb 18 03:24:59 the pre2 feels solid to me Feb 18 03:25:18 but it mostly sits on a desk Feb 18 03:25:48 I'm very hesitant to move back to the pre after my first one fell apart :| Feb 18 03:26:56 ah, oil knows my pain Feb 18 03:52:18 * bhuey can't wait to get a pre 2 Feb 18 03:55:41 rwhitby: hopefully folks are working on some kind of port for the regular Pre. I presume some homebrew folks are already looking at this Feb 18 03:55:59 not sure if the verizon 2.0 doctor ever came out Feb 18 03:59:22 recent compcache enabled kernels have been working really well Feb 18 03:59:29 was there recent changes to that ? Feb 18 03:59:47 I tested it by running with it off for a number a months and turned it back on again Feb 18 03:59:56 seeing a noticeable improvement in performance Feb 18 06:03:17 so i was wondering, in the verizon webos doctor is a skype ipk. Would it be possible to install this on the pre 2. Feb 18 06:04:49 it understandingly fails on the pre minus Feb 18 06:06:10 * RagingMind is trying to navigate android... has strong desire to run screaming back to webos Feb 18 06:12:21 R_E: sure you can install it on a Pre 2. Feb 18 06:12:34 if only i had one... Feb 18 06:13:01 what about a pre minus with 2.0 Feb 18 06:13:50 sure, you can try anything. Feb 18 06:14:11 R_E, if they existed in a form that someone could talk about it would be possible to test such a thing Feb 18 06:14:47 well its right there in the publically avalable webosdoctor Feb 18 06:15:01 i can even give the file path Feb 18 06:15:20 i don;t have 2.0 so i cant test it Feb 18 06:16:42 R_E: I don't think RagingMind was referring to the publicly avaiable Verizon Pre 2 webOS 2.0 doctor or it's contents. Feb 18 06:17:27 * RagingMind pets his Prē+ and dreams of stackable cards Feb 18 06:17:37 oh, i see Feb 18 06:17:48 the 2.0 pre minus Feb 18 06:18:11 i just hope they eventually officially exist Feb 18 06:19:41 I still have 14 months before I can upgrade, I really don't want to be stuck on 1.4.5 that entire time. heck I might settle for a 1.5 or something to clean up a bunch of the bugs that I keep hearing about developers running into Feb 18 06:21:20 R_E: Ruby has said that 2.0 on Pre- will never exist. Period. Feb 18 06:22:17 yah, but i thought it was fuzzy, as in possible doctor release Feb 18 06:22:26 is that officially done now? Feb 18 06:22:28 Not from Ruby. Feb 18 06:22:51 Read Ruby's public statement, not tweets from underlings. Feb 18 06:23:58 well, i choose to take the internal confusion as a shred of hope Feb 18 06:24:20 ruby also said webos2 was comming Feb 18 06:24:35 webOS 2.0 did come, on Pre 2 devices :) Feb 18 06:24:53 R_E: unofficial versions though.. Feb 18 06:24:54 f'in ruby Feb 18 06:25:13 yah, but those are debug version Feb 18 06:25:13 s Feb 18 06:25:22 R_E: not what I mean Feb 18 06:25:41 the frustrating part is that I know my Prē+ is capable of more than what exists in 1.4.5 Feb 18 06:26:39 personally i just want 3 things audio access, video access and flash. dont need the rest Feb 18 06:26:41 R_E: I mean modified public doctors could be possible with the right pieces Feb 18 06:27:13 oh, you meanl like a frankendoctor, yah that would be nice Feb 18 06:28:12 i wonder if you compared the debug 2.0 to the pre2 2.0 doctors if you could find the differences Feb 18 06:28:53 wish i new linux computers better Feb 18 06:29:03 linux and comupters* Feb 18 06:29:19 knew* Feb 18 06:32:11 R_E: we already know what we need and it's the powervr graphics drivers, no comparing versions needed Feb 18 06:32:42 o, well you guys are really smart :) Feb 18 06:33:02 wish i could help, should have majored in CS Feb 18 06:33:08 R_E: thanks, now if we can just get the right bits together.. Feb 18 06:33:30 I'm still hoping that some pre's get an update... that would provide the drivers to finish a frankendoctor Feb 18 06:33:31 i trust in webos-internals Feb 18 06:34:55 muahahaha Feb 18 06:35:03 why did they need to change the graphic drivers in 2.0? does it have to do with the hardware acceleration? Feb 18 06:38:14 R_E: pre and pre2 have slightly different graphics core revisions and we don't have the userland part of the powervr drivers that match the architecture used in 2.x Feb 18 06:38:20 destinal-work, curious... what time zone are you in that you're still working? (or working already) Feb 18 06:38:20 for original pre Feb 18 06:38:34 RagingMind: it's more that this is my work laptop Feb 18 06:38:39 ah Feb 18 06:38:46 and some people work nights? Feb 18 06:39:23 at any rate, have to get up early. night all Feb 18 06:39:30 g'night Feb 18 06:42:23 thanks for the help guys, good night Feb 18 10:51:45 rwhitby: nice job "playing fireworks", had a hard time refraining from seeing them over and over :) Feb 18 10:51:51 * gour just saw http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/fnioh/mobile_development_with_jquery_mobile_phonegap/ and wonder... Feb 18 10:52:13 if jquery could be used for webos development as well? Feb 18 10:53:29 gour: I would assume so...the webos browser handles it flawlessly... Feb 18 10:53:38 no reason it wouldn't work equally well in an app Feb 18 10:54:16 what about other languages beside JS/C(++)? Feb 18 10:55:02 gour: it depends. for homebrew, sure--you can install the interpreters, libraries, etc. such other language would need through optware Feb 18 10:55:09 s/seeing/watching/ Feb 18 10:55:10 Thibaud meant: rwhitby: nice job "playing fireworks", had a hard time refraining from watching them over and over :) Feb 18 10:55:23 gour: within the constraints of developing for the app catalog, you're going to be restricted to JS/C(++) Feb 18 10:55:41 make sense? Feb 18 10:56:09 wgreenhouse: so, we could use Qt & D (as on the desktop)...we're not do much interested to get into catalog Feb 18 10:56:21 gour: basically, yes Feb 18 10:56:27 in fact, Qt is already packaged in Preware Feb 18 10:56:44 so you'd just need to get your D libs on Feb 18 10:56:44 infobot: thanks dude, you really make the job helping me improve on the wording Feb 18 10:56:45 Thibaud: gern geschehen Feb 18 10:56:45 wgreenhouse: this is very nice to hear considering we plan To use Qt(D) on the desktop Feb 18 10:57:17 gour: yeah. you should investigate whether D is already available via optware packages Feb 18 10:57:38 Qt is definitely already available Feb 18 10:57:41 wgreenhouse: what do you think whether Qt will move more into webos? Feb 18 10:58:23 wgreenhouse: probably too early atm, but hopefully gdc/ldc will be able to compile for arm Feb 18 10:58:30 gour: "move into webos" in what sense? like I say, for open source developmnent on webos, it's alreadyu here Feb 18 10:59:29 wgreenhouse: i think as 'supported' platform from the palm's side to do e.g. hybrid apps...iirc, there is qt for webo Feb 18 10:59:58 yes, there is qt for webos, in the Preware webos-internals side of things Feb 18 11:00:07 eh Feb 18 11:00:14 I don't know. I doubt it Feb 18 11:00:37 I am uncertain about the future of Qt in general, actually Feb 18 11:00:47 as Nokia is even throwing it under the bus Feb 18 11:01:11 hmm...i believe kde is too big to be thrown away (although i use xfce on my desktop) Feb 18 11:01:23 at least, community can fork it... Feb 18 11:01:39 exactly, Qt4 on the desktop isn't going anywhere, but could be a fringe project Feb 18 11:01:50 Qt on smartphones really could just go away Feb 18 11:02:11 it will be community forked, but if maemo/meego development stops, there will be big problems Feb 18 11:02:18 with its continuing competitiveness Feb 18 11:03:02 * gour nods...meego was potential platform... Feb 18 11:03:02 but anyway, it seems to me that you could do your Qt/D app for your company, as long as you didn't wand to package for App Catalog Feb 18 11:03:19 just because App Catalog is restricted when it comes to adding library dependencies etc. Feb 18 11:03:22 well, we plan to do it as community project, open-source Feb 18 11:03:32 gour: cool--contribute to Preware :) Feb 18 11:03:40 ;) Feb 18 11:03:59 yeah, foss is giving so much...tiem to give something back as well Feb 18 11:04:09 the preware packaging system will work much better for this Feb 18 11:04:16 i.e. installing dependency libs Feb 18 11:04:17 too bad, we have to use 3rd party C-lib, which is GPLv2+, but... Feb 18 11:04:34 2 is better than nothing, ah well Feb 18 11:04:38 lol Feb 18 11:05:33 gour: read Nokia CEO's comments re: Meego and Android yet? Feb 18 11:05:51 the whole dire assessment leak Feb 18 11:05:53 ? Feb 18 11:05:54 so, in order to use Qt/D, i wonder how much Qt covers palm's UI? Feb 18 11:06:17 gour: I dunno. but as I say, it's already ported to webos, and in preware Feb 18 11:06:21 wgreenhouse: i read lof of posts about nokia's move...do you have url? Feb 18 11:06:25 so you could take a look Feb 18 11:07:24 ok...that would be nice since we could (probably) take advantage of more code which would be shared between desktop app & webos one Feb 18 11:07:53 gour: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin is the memo which started it Feb 18 11:10:16 otoh, it's not all bad...actually due to nokia's move, i've become much more interested about webos, learnt a bit about webos-internals and can see that webos is much more dev-friendly platform than the competing android...hopefully it won't stay nich and will expand Feb 18 11:10:51 otoh, stuff like phonegap seems to help if we'd like port to e.g. android as well Feb 18 11:11:18 yeah Feb 18 11:11:45 HP/Palm seems friendlier to its FOSS community than most Android OEMs are Feb 18 11:12:17 I hope they don't lose that if they manage to expand Feb 18 11:12:51 lol, it just occurred to me Feb 18 11:12:57 HP only left UNIX development for a few years Feb 18 11:13:07 HP-UX is dead, long live webOS Feb 18 11:14:32 heh, funny but i'll soon move my desktop to free(pc)bsd (from archlinux) and replace ubuntu with it on the machines i've to maintain Feb 18 11:15:02 pc-bsd is interesting Feb 18 11:15:17 I am a Debian user, btw Feb 18 11:15:26 Squeeze and Sid Feb 18 11:16:18 there is some debian project with bsd kernel, right? Feb 18 11:16:42 yeah, debian GNU/kFreeBSD Feb 18 11:16:51 it is mainstreamed as of debian squeeze Feb 18 11:17:00 no longer some experimental side project Feb 18 11:17:49 i'm charmed with fbsd's engineering process and kind of tired with too much admin work on linux (although arch is much better than >5yrs spent with gentoo) Feb 18 11:18:35 heh. then maybe debian with fbsd kernel would be exactly opposite of what you want :-P Feb 18 11:18:52 :-) Feb 18 11:18:56 you'd be doing linux administration with a bsd kernel Feb 18 11:19:16 when it sounds like, if you had to deal with such a hybrid, you'd rather have fbsd ports system in linux Feb 18 11:23:36 have you seen http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=0+0+current/freebsd-announce ? Feb 18 11:24:15 gour: no, awesome though Feb 18 11:24:27 indeed Feb 18 11:24:47 in a little while, that could make my HP Mini (Intel Atom N450 with matching GPU) a viable fbsd system Feb 18 11:25:01 :) Feb 18 11:25:16 * gour likes prospect of using zfs soon Feb 18 11:25:47 debian supports installing to zfs, iirc Feb 18 11:32:24 btw, i enjoyed presentation of rwhitby-pre Feb 18 11:35:48 cheers Feb 18 11:37:40 zfs has a lot of overhead, though Feb 18 11:40:32 I moved my old sparcs to zfs when it hit mainline fbsd... that was a big hit in performance Feb 18 11:40:57 lamawithonel: i've 8gb on the desktop...otoh, i like to not have lvm2-like layer around... Feb 18 11:41:38 it is easy Feb 18 11:41:42 good morning Feb 18 11:42:22 zfs commands-that-make-sense, zpool commands-that-make-sense Feb 18 11:42:25 wgreenhouse: do you have infos for Qt on WebOS? are the posts from last year still valid? Feb 18 11:42:38 and greate for massive arrays Feb 18 11:42:50 s/greate/great Feb 18 11:43:50 * gour is also interested for qt & webos Feb 18 11:43:58 gour: hello then :D Feb 18 11:44:08 j-b: ;) Feb 18 11:44:31 j-b: I believe the ports in Preware are sitll valid Feb 18 11:44:39 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=zfs_ext4_btrfs&num=1 Feb 18 11:45:25 wgreenhouse: but if I want to have normal users users, I need to compile it with my app at the same time, right? Feb 18 11:45:43 s/users users/users/ Feb 18 11:45:43 j-b meant: wgreenhouse: but if I want to have normal users, I need to compile it with my app at the same time, right? Feb 18 11:45:54 j-b: normal users? Feb 18 11:46:24 wgreenhouse: users with a normal phone, without tweaks Feb 18 11:46:26 are you talking about app catalog? Feb 18 11:46:34 lamawithonel: there was lot of comments about that 'benchmark' knowing about validity of phoronix site in general Feb 18 11:46:58 j-b: yeah, in that case it'd have to be compiled and probably statically linked into your program Feb 18 11:47:16 webOS app catalog does not support installing extra shared libraries Feb 18 11:47:28 wgreenhouse: not necessarily the official app catalog, if there is a way for normal users to install apps outside of it Feb 18 11:48:03 there is now way for 'normal' users to install outside of the official app catalog Feb 18 11:48:34 then static linking it is :D Feb 18 11:48:36 Preware users are the closest thing to normal but are of course a very small percentage. Feb 18 11:48:37 j-b: activating preware requires your users to access the phone at the Linux level Feb 18 11:48:40 if only for a moment Feb 18 11:49:09 no Feb 18 11:49:11 rwhitby-pre: well, I could explain to users how to become Preware users... But palm will not like me Feb 18 11:49:20 users don't need to know Linux Feb 18 11:49:32 Palm supports Preware Feb 18 11:49:42 it is not against them Feb 18 11:49:51 rwhitby: 2.x EAP apply with hb reference only, will I be waiting ... forever + 1 day? Feb 18 11:49:57 rwhitby-pre: there's an installation method other than novacom/novaterm? Feb 18 11:50:09 I just meant know how to type a few commands by rote from a howto... Feb 18 11:50:45 rwhitby-pre: applied for 2.x EAP with hb reference only, will I be waiting ... forever + 1 day? Feb 18 11:50:46 wgreenhouse: a number of ways that people use and they have no idea that they are running a program which is accessing Linux Feb 18 11:51:00 WOSQI for example Feb 18 11:51:00 okay. weird. Feb 18 11:51:12 Windows apps, point and click. Feb 18 11:51:25 rwhitby-pre: ok, thanks for the infos. So preware is an option :) Feb 18 11:51:59 j-b: it is THE option Feb 18 11:52:18 now, I need to see what's the best way to output audio and I can start Feb 18 11:52:21 j-b: download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app and see how hard it is for yourself. Feb 18 11:52:39 rwhitby-pre: I guess that makes sense--just little wrappers around the novacom terminal Feb 18 11:52:59 not being a windows user, I hadn't looked for anything like that :) Feb 18 11:53:14 rwhitby-pre: well, I don't expect it to be hard... We've done worse Feb 18 11:53:19 wgreenhouse: it does not use novacom terminal Feb 18 11:53:38 seriously, read up on Preware install methods on the wiki page Feb 18 11:54:06 please do not continue to scare people saying they have to use linux and novaterm Feb 18 11:54:31 :-) Feb 18 11:54:51 WOSQI is cross-platform java, runs on windows, mac, linux Feb 18 11:55:00 no command line required Feb 18 11:55:39 rwhitby-pre: I had no intent to scare anyone. My apologies. Feb 18 11:55:40 where could one find about writing webos apps using qt? Feb 18 11:56:05 look in the source for the existing Qt apps Feb 18 11:56:15 rwhitby-pre: my point was actually the reverse, it's not scary at all :) Feb 18 11:56:21 ok, SDLaudio is an option, alsa seems more annoying Feb 18 11:56:25 rwhitby-pre: there are some in repos? Feb 18 11:56:38 qt-demos are on preware, IIRC Feb 18 11:56:49 cool...let me look Feb 18 11:57:33 you need qtcore+gui or more? Feb 18 11:58:35 probably more gui...and on the desktop we plan to write app in D Feb 18 11:58:36 look for the articles by the guy who did the Qt demos Feb 18 11:59:11 gour: qtnetwork? qtxml? Feb 18 11:59:48 gour: I just need QtGui :D Feb 18 12:00:20 and a lot of time :) Feb 18 12:01:28 and maybe another phone Feb 18 12:02:07 new one? Feb 18 12:05:17 yeah :) Feb 18 12:07:51 * gour is exploring http://git.webos-internals.org/?s=qt, but not seeing much sources Feb 18 12:09:14 j-b: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware btw Feb 18 12:12:14 wgreenhouse: WOSQI seems ok enough. But some catalog/feed seems better Feb 18 12:12:27 j-b: umm Feb 18 12:12:34 preware can connect you to several feeds Feb 18 12:12:41 it is like a package manager for pre Feb 18 12:12:48 in fact, it's not "like," it is Feb 18 12:13:00 and by default it comes prepopulated with several repos Feb 18 12:13:08 wgreenhouse: well, linking statically to Qt should work too. Feb 18 12:13:53 but, probably Qt is my last worry :) Feb 18 12:16:20 gour: talk to the author and check the linked wiki pages. Feb 18 12:16:30 the source is on another server Feb 18 12:16:36 ahhh..ok Feb 18 12:17:06 google it - there are blog articles online Feb 18 12:18:32 yes Feb 18 12:18:49 it was a fork of Qt and it is available on gitorious Feb 18 12:19:12 gour: 2nd and 3rd hit on google for 'webos qt' Feb 18 12:19:40 ta Feb 18 14:00:44 cool, pdk installed on linux. nice Feb 18 14:16:06 Sweet...just got a pre plus on ebay for $57 Feb 18 14:16:45 Gotta love people who put up auctions with ending times when no one is paying attention. Feb 18 14:28:46 scoinva: hey, looks like your VoIP experience is great ;) Feb 18 14:30:24 Thibaud: Absolutely! I can't wait to buy it! :) Feb 18 14:32:38 Thibaud: You should write up an article call: WebOS saves you money on your phone bill Feb 18 14:33:12 Thibaud: you can use what I have in the doc I shared with you. Feb 18 14:34:31 scoinva: scoinva: not sure it will ever be able to enter the catalog due to the way it is currently being implemented. Even if it were to, any donation suggested would go to support homebrew... :) Feb 18 14:35:22 gotcha. Will do! Feb 18 14:36:20 scoinva: it does already saves me money every day, my ISP already provides me an SIP account at no additional cost for landlines (and soon mobile too, it seems). Lucky me! ;) Feb 18 14:37:08 s/ISP already/ISP/ Feb 18 14:37:09 Thibaud meant: scoinva: it does already saves me money every day, my ISP provides me an SIP account at no additional cost for landlines (and soon mobile too, it seems). Lucky me! ;) Feb 18 14:37:22 infobot: thanks dude! Feb 18 14:37:23 gern geschehen, Thibaud Feb 18 14:37:49 scoinva: additional features on the way, stay tuned Feb 18 14:38:14 scoinva: thx for the doc, will do Feb 18 14:47:59 Thibaud, what's the current version on linphone? Feb 18 14:51:39 RagingMind: 0.1.6, as suggested there http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing-4.html#post2872052 ;) Feb 18 14:52:31 RagingMind: err, which linphone? The core (3.3.2) or the webOS app (0.1.6)? Feb 18 14:52:52 I'm reading through the forums, and that's the latest version I saw, but I wanted to be sure Feb 18 14:53:01 Thibaud, I meant the webos app :) Feb 18 14:54:55 if linphone is so close to being in preware, why not have a dedicated post that you update with the latest link/release info? like lots of other stuff in the forums? or do you still want to manually hand out the link? Feb 18 14:57:41 RagingMind: I understand why Thibaud did it this way at first. It was fairly unstable. He (or she) would have received a lot of help me messages. Feb 18 14:58:13 RagingMind: any new version will be twitted & posted on P|C thread, until the app enters Preware's feeds. Alpha for now, hence semi-private link. Feb 18 14:58:34 I think but I'm not sure... LinPhone is on Preware. Feb 18 14:59:20 yeah I got it at first, I was just getting bored scanning the forum thread for new version numbers, heh Feb 18 14:59:34 scoinva: yep, rod's a wise guy! Nope, no Linphone in Preware as far as I know. Feb 18 15:00:26 RagingMind: subscribe to the thread to get a mail, then... ;) Feb 18 15:00:50 I don't even remember my P||C forums password Feb 18 15:00:59 I should figure that out I guess Feb 18 15:02:17 RagingMind: :) Feb 18 15:36:56 Thibaud, what needs to happen for linphone to be able to dial foo@bar.net type addresses, and what can a noob like I do to help? :) Feb 18 15:43:29 Hi everyone :) Feb 18 15:44:30 RagingMind: guess a couple of hours to plug & test keyboard input in the dialpad stage. Top on my list for this evening or tomorrow ... unless some clever fox provides me with a patch before! Knew someone would push that sooner or later ;) Feb 18 15:44:56 NuttyBunny: hi :) Feb 18 15:46:12 with that I could test calls between my pre and my bf's pixi Feb 18 15:46:44 his pixi isn't on a cell network so I'm looking at ways it can be used an a voip phone on wifi Feb 18 15:50:20 RagingMind: I do understand that: 18 month, I started webOS with a CDMA Pre in GSM land. Guess why I've been the hard way? :) Feb 18 15:52:01 RagingMind: in the meantime, you can both register @ sip2sip.info, name is a number and calls are performed within the same domain Feb 18 15:53:10 what's new Feb 18 16:11:41 hello Feb 18 16:12:18 were can i sign in to sip client testing? Feb 18 16:15:28 pman_lt: hi, this is the right place! What device(s) and SIP provider(s)? Feb 18 16:15:55 well im working on coule Feb 18 16:15:59 telecos Feb 18 16:16:08 so the sip providers are two Feb 18 16:16:10 one Feb 18 16:16:45 company internal, another, will be (someday hopfuly soon) a service for users Feb 18 16:16:55 i have a good old GSM pre Feb 18 16:17:01 just pre no + no 2 Feb 18 16:17:55 1.4.5 webos version Feb 18 16:18:55 what are the requirements? Feb 18 16:19:01 pman_lt: see /msg & please report failure(s) as well as success with details in P|C alpha thread (http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing.html). PM if privacy needed. Feb 18 16:19:18 ok Feb 18 16:19:39 thats were I came from :) Feb 18 18:02:24 Hi there! Feb 18 18:32:59 Has anyone gotten to login to skype with verizon's files on a gsm device? Feb 18 18:33:33 can Skype run on Pre+? Feb 18 18:34:22 hi Feb 18 18:34:56 * dtzWill waves to channel Feb 18 18:35:20 NuttyBunny: do those words make sense together? Feb 18 18:36:05 :( darn it. Feb 18 18:37:36 scoinva: Right now it only runs on Verizon's Pre 2, and it might run on 2.x devices Feb 18 18:39:23 wgreenhouse: Sorry, I extracted a couple of skype related files from the Verizon's Pre2 doctor, installed them on my device, but when I try to create my account, it fails :) and on the logs I find that something's wrong about my PSTN number o_O Feb 18 18:42:04 weird Feb 18 18:42:13 I take it that Verizon's skype client is not just a skype client Feb 18 18:47:49 No, it's integrated in the phone app, but this happens even when trying to create the account in the messaging app Feb 18 18:50:00 So it's not a skype client, just frontend for Skype using Verizon voice/data chanels? Feb 18 18:50:00 NuttyBunny: Keep at it! :) Feb 18 18:54:21 Tema1978|2: Sort of, in webOS 2 the accounts information all are integrated in a single application for managing them, and the accounts register themselves for several things, for example, the google accounts can register for address book, calendar, email and messaging, the exchange ones for calendar, ab and email, etc Feb 18 18:54:43 The skype one should be registering itself for messaging and the phone app Feb 18 18:55:08 maybe with some further research even the linphone app can register itself as a telephony provider :) Feb 18 18:56:25 NuttyBunny: Thanks for explanation Feb 18 18:59:51 http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index/4145?cPage=2&all=False&sort=0&page=4&slug=webos-20-overview Feb 18 19:08:28 NuttyBunny: yep, have stuff like that in mind: direct call-out from contacts, SIP call-in answering even if app not visible (but running & registered). Seamless integration anyway! Feb 18 19:22:13 bbl Feb 18 19:24:35 what's good Feb 18 19:36:30 Thibaud: I would LOVE a data only 4.3 inch WebOS device w/ a SIP client. Feb 18 20:00:37 ka6sox: any update for SCALE? Feb 18 20:01:14 ya, something will be coming today...thanks for reminding me...I have all of SCALE A/V to coordinate so I'm a bit swamped Feb 18 20:12:54 hola Feb 18 20:14:28 so has anyone completed a skype call yet? Feb 18 20:24:09 wait the Vz Dr is 2.0.1? I thought 2.1 I read 2.1 was shipping? Feb 18 20:32:39 2.0.1 Feb 18 20:37:10 yeah, same as gsm pre Feb 18 20:37:11 2 Feb 18 20:53:36 hey all - i'm on my pre plus atm - anyone got the link to installing preware via ota Feb 18 20:54:49 . Feb 18 20:56:18 if anyone has replied - i'm not getting anything Feb 18 20:59:49 jujubee: webos-internals.org Feb 18 20:59:51 read the wiki Feb 18 21:00:17 there's a whole section devoed to installing preware Feb 18 21:00:22 devoted Feb 18 21:01:02 get the preware homebrew doco app... nevermind Feb 18 21:01:40 too late on that promo Feb 18 21:02:09 ya think? unless he is like a ghost.... Feb 18 21:02:15 and of course, you CAN'T install preware without a pc of some sort.... Feb 18 21:02:48 * halfhalo doesn't actually know the original convo Feb 18 21:02:48 oil: weird, he still seemed to be thre when I started Feb 18 21:03:10 irc newbies are so impatient Feb 18 21:03:24 * halfhalo is impatient as well Feb 18 21:11:01 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Feb 18 21:11:58 ////////////////////// Feb 18 21:12:43 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Feb 18 21:12:51 lol Feb 18 21:25:07 Hi everyone Feb 18 21:25:51 Hi woznotwoz Feb 18 21:26:05 Just the man I wanted to see. Feb 18 21:26:30 woznotwoz: please be my guest then ;) Feb 18 21:27:11 Thibaud: I wanted you to tell me about linphone. Feb 18 21:28:03 woznotwoz: where would you like to start from? Feb 18 21:28:51 Thibaud: I am not very practiced in C anymore, myself, but I thought I'd put a softphone together for webos. Feb 18 21:30:30 Thibaud: First, do you have any idea whether HP will provide a sip stack, as droid has? Feb 18 21:32:36 Thibaud: And then, how is the early testing going, may I become a tester, for linphone? Feb 18 21:33:05 woznotwoz: to be honest, I don't know HP's intents and there are many people around that have a much wider view than me on the topic. Feb 18 21:33:17 What I understand (telcos in my country, europe) is any SIP tool on their network is less money for them in the end Feb 18 21:34:18 I guess the situation is different in the US cause there are voice + data plans at a much much cheaper cost Feb 18 21:35:34 alpha testing, of course! Anyone asking for it will just get it. May I ask you for your device(s) & SIP provider(s)? Feb 18 21:37:05 Thibaud: I don't have a sip provider, yet. I have one Sprint/Pre and one developer/Pre. Feb 18 21:37:15 woznotwoz: btw, this is free software, from head to toes Feb 18 21:37:38 Thibaud: yes, I've seen the License. Feb 18 21:38:22 So, no provider, you see I am starting at the beginning, here. Feb 18 21:38:23 woznotwoz: fine anyway, you'll need to subscribe to an SIP provider (sip2sip.info, iptel.org, many more I don't even know!) and that's it Feb 18 21:39:36 android has sip built-in? Feb 18 21:40:54 woznotwoz: ... of course you'll have to put the registration info in the app's preference. Feb 18 21:41:07 woznotwoz: This is still alpha software, and thus an unfinished app in many ways. But it basically works (the people who developed the SIP stack did a very good job) Feb 18 21:44:08 NuttyBunny: skype on pre 2 is skype mobile, uses verizon cell number for the calls as far as I can see. Not a VoIP app in any way. Feb 18 21:44:28 Thibaud: yep, I'll figure out my provider before too long. On the SIP stack, are you doing the porting, how much work is that taking, are you starting with thier linux build? Feb 18 21:44:41 woznotwoz: see /msg & please report failure(s) & success in the P|C alpha thread (http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing.html). PM if privacy is needed Feb 18 21:46:34 woznotwoz: the SIP stack is left untouched (or so little, pulseaudio on webOS is a bit unstable) and packaged into a webOS service (Palm's daemon running on DBUS, the internal system bus) Feb 18 21:47:40 woznotwoz: then the javascript app is developed to drive the front-end you see and interact with on the touchscreen. Feb 18 21:48:16 Thibaud: So far I don't know where to get the app? Feb 18 21:49:26 woznotwoz: cuz I'm slow and talk(!) too much. Here it comes... Feb 18 21:53:15 ajay_: Perhaps you've done a search by now, but yeah the latest version has a SIP stack object. I found a review of it at onsip.(com?) Feb 18 21:55:15 woznotwoz: huh! nice.. Feb 18 21:56:44 woznotwoz: my job was more about integration & roadblocks moving than code development. And would not have been possible with all the tools setup & promoted by the WebOS Internals (great) people. Feb 18 21:59:19 rwhitby: bummer to hear that... when I saw skype mobile my mind started to wander around, but I never imagined that it used the verizon service... but well, it's logical, for them it's cheaper to do it that way :S Feb 18 21:59:35 We should at least figure out how to do a chat login for skype ;) Feb 18 22:01:50 But... since skyped is binary it should prove difficult to do :( Feb 18 22:04:51 yup Feb 18 22:04:59 NuttyBunny: So, then, one would use minutes while skyping ? Feb 18 22:05:49 no, the call through that number is free Feb 18 22:05:54 I didn't need to address that, I suppose. Feb 18 22:06:34 s/with all/without all/ Feb 18 22:06:36 Thibaud meant: woznotwoz: my job was more about integration & roadblocks moving than code development. And would not have been possible without all the tools setup & promoted by the WebOS Internals (great) people. Feb 18 22:06:47 mmm... so, guess we'll have to start pestering Skype for a webOS client :D Feb 18 22:07:32 infobot: thanks dude, helps me clarify my statement a lot ;) Feb 18 22:07:32 no problem, Thibaud Feb 18 22:08:08 in case I didn't understand the first time ? Feb 18 22:09:54 err, no! I'm french and I've heard french people have a tendency to correct themselves even though everybody else understood what they meant... :^) Feb 18 22:11:59 NuttyBunny: pretty sure HPalm is directly in bed with them so might not work to bug skype Feb 18 22:12:22 ah, yes, video chat, rue Feb 18 22:12:38 s/rue/true Feb 18 22:12:38 not to mention I like playing with the infobot! There was no pun intended, please Feb 18 22:12:49 s/rue/true/ Feb 18 22:12:49 NuttyBunny meant: s/true/true Feb 18 22:12:59 bah.. hehehe Feb 18 22:14:36 I read that voogle uses minutes, is that right, anyone? Feb 18 22:21:39 I found the Engadget's article on Skype & Verizon: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/skype-mobile-for-verizon-on-android-hands-on-with-wifi-off/ Feb 18 22:21:50 Same story again on webOS... Feb 18 22:23:31 should rename linphone to Skoip Feb 18 22:24:46 But... skype to skype calls? are they also done through Verizon's voice infrastructure? Feb 18 22:25:02 yup Feb 18 22:25:17 or Skoype Feb 18 22:25:45 Skoipe Feb 18 22:26:42 as long as it does not end as Scr*wIP... ;) Feb 18 22:27:01 sorry, Skr*wIP Feb 18 22:40:07 So, that was verizon's strategy when they said that they would enable skype calls on all their handsets... clever but misleading :( Feb 18 22:44:51 yep, typical US carrier behaviour Feb 18 22:49:18 see yaz! Feb 19 00:33:17 hay Feb 19 00:39:29 it would be great to one day have a webOS device, based on wireless mesh networking and voip Feb 19 00:39:37 defenestrate the old telcos :-P Feb 19 00:45:56 hay wgreenhouse Feb 19 00:47:34 hey PatrickC_Pre Feb 19 00:47:41 hopw Feb 19 00:47:55 *how's the reviewz coming* Feb 19 00:51:45 anyone here hear back from the dev people about the Pre2's? Feb 19 01:10:17 I haven't got a response :( Feb 19 01:48:08 x Feb 19 02:32:50 internal Feb 19 02:32:51 webos Feb 19 02:32:55 woohoo Feb 19 02:35:25 :) Feb 19 02:35:28 :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 19 02:59:57 2011