**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 02:59:56 2011 Feb 23 03:00:20 or rather...porting Feb 23 03:02:18 Hi all :) Feb 23 03:02:25 yo Feb 23 03:04:16 I'm just praying that the pre3 gets released on Sprint...even though things don't necessarily look too bright Feb 23 03:05:30 seb_or_sam: does it give you a specific error message, or is it simply saying "Error 9" Feb 23 03:05:39 it gave me a message: Feb 23 03:05:52 should i paste it? Feb 23 03:05:54 I want a palm hoodie... that would be nifty Feb 23 03:05:56 sure Feb 23 03:06:19 seb_or_sam: sure Feb 23 03:06:24 "End-of-central-directory signature not found. Either this file is not Feb 23 03:06:25 a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive. In the Feb 23 03:06:25 latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on Feb 23 03:06:25 the last disk(s) of this archive." Feb 23 03:06:36 seb_or_sam, familiar with pastebin? Feb 23 03:06:42 Ooops. Feb 23 03:06:45 Sorry man. Feb 23 03:06:51 I haven't been on IRC in a LONG time. Feb 23 03:06:58 lol Feb 23 03:07:12 heh it's alright that wasn't all that much Feb 23 03:07:20 it looks to me like your meta-doctor isn't complete Feb 23 03:07:31 you mean the makefile? Feb 23 03:07:42 could be a corrupted download Feb 23 03:07:46 seb_or_sam: check corruption of .jar file Feb 23 03:07:48 *file Feb 23 03:08:17 corruption? how do i check that? Feb 23 03:08:33 check the md5sum against the value we have on our webos doctor versions wiki page Feb 23 03:08:52 check the checksum Feb 23 03:08:54 err...yeah Feb 23 03:09:14 sorry, tv is distracting Feb 23 03:11:35 rwhitby: so I didn't do the whole reflash-again thing Feb 23 03:11:44 rwhitby: quick link to the donate page Feb 23 03:11:49 rwhitby: quick link to the donate page? Feb 23 03:11:57 just updating manually with the roadrunnercdma_fw.tar seems to have worked fine Feb 23 03:12:39 never mind, i'm blind Feb 23 03:12:40 LarrySteeze: http://donate.webos-internals.org/ Feb 23 03:12:53 LarrySteeze: and buy the Preware Homebrew Documentation app ;) Feb 23 03:13:01 lol Feb 23 03:14:14 I just found out my wife is pregnant, so my donation ability is limited at the moment...especially considering I just started a new business, but I gotta do what I can, right? Feb 23 03:14:34 LarrySteeze: Ok thanks Feb 23 03:14:56 @rwhitby How many people have bought the app? Feb 23 03:15:16 sem_or_sam: was it corrupted? Feb 23 03:15:44 err....seb_or_sam Feb 23 03:15:45 seb_or_sam: 3986 Feb 23 03:15:54 s/3986/3896/ Feb 23 03:15:55 rwhitby meant: seb_or_sam: 3896 Feb 23 03:15:59 clee, are there directions to manually updating? Feb 23 03:16:16 rwhitby: not bad for webOS Feb 23 03:16:16 RMind: yep! see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash Feb 23 03:16:26 rwhitby: I know i bought it ;) Feb 23 03:16:40 LarrySteeze: congrats - save your bucks for your kid Feb 23 03:16:43 instead of castle***fw.tar I used the roadrunnercdma_fw.tar Feb 23 03:16:47 but it worked perfectly Feb 23 03:16:56 SMS, MMS, and voice calling all appear to work properly Feb 23 03:17:02 well, the way I look at it, i can spare a few bucks now. i won't be able to later ;-) Feb 23 03:17:11 so I have a fully-functional webOS 2.1 pre- on Sprint now. Feb 23 03:17:14 you know you won't later :) Feb 23 03:22:28 All set :) forgot to put LarrySteeze, but it's all good...I'm sure I'm the only Jason Green in the world Feb 23 03:22:32 ;-) Feb 23 03:25:05 So how's Australia right now? Feb 23 03:25:45 its like lunchtime there Feb 23 03:25:52 lol Feb 23 03:25:57 well, lunch time tomorrow Feb 23 03:26:31 You know, that makes sense...why Rod is always on when I'm home from work...and when i get up in the morning Feb 23 03:26:36 he must sleep while I'm at work! Feb 23 03:26:40 and their toilets spin the other direction? Feb 23 03:26:56 is it bad that it took me almost 2 years to realize that? I think it is. Feb 23 03:27:36 i wont disagree with you Feb 23 03:27:40 lol Feb 23 03:28:14 now I just have to figure out why Lisa will respond when I ask if she's around, but will never answer if I want some actual webos developer relations :-S Feb 23 03:28:17 hey, a wircer Feb 23 03:28:59 she's not always at work? Feb 23 03:29:07 *shrug* I am Feb 23 03:29:32 what, you work at home? Feb 23 03:29:37 or just a workaholic? Feb 23 03:29:41 Well Feb 23 03:29:45 I work at work Feb 23 03:29:57 and then I come home and work on the business I'm starting Feb 23 03:30:06 and then I also have my business that is a hobby Feb 23 03:30:20 and I think my wife hates them all :P Feb 23 03:31:20 should put her to work Feb 23 03:31:28 yeah...about that... Feb 23 03:31:43 she works for the same day job company as me, so that's all set Feb 23 03:32:10 let's just say both of my side-companies are computer based...and she doesn't have admin rights on her own laptop. Feb 23 03:32:41 because she doesn't want them...because she has a tendancy to download viruses Feb 23 03:33:07 so we can forget about wordpress development or app dev Feb 23 03:34:13 destinal, you around? Feb 23 03:34:22 woooo virii Feb 23 03:34:27 lol Feb 23 03:35:13 whenever i go to fix peoples computers at work and they have spyware/etc Feb 23 03:35:22 i always tell them thats what they got for looking at porn Feb 23 03:35:25 she's not as bad as her parents though...I feel like I'm over there every weekend trying to get rid of crap Feb 23 03:35:50 well...my wife gets it from trying to watch funny videos Feb 23 03:36:08 and downloading crapware "video players" Feb 23 03:36:10 funny videos... of people having sex Feb 23 03:36:18 no...not for her Feb 23 03:36:22 lol Feb 23 03:36:26 but her parents computer, on the other hand... Feb 23 03:36:44 step 1 to fixing a computer: NEVER EVER look in the history Feb 23 03:36:45 let's just say the temporary internet files are something I don't bring up with her father in front of her mother Feb 23 03:36:52 you dont want to know what kind of crazy shit they're into Feb 23 03:37:07 haha, exactly Feb 23 03:37:11 you just clear it and move along Feb 23 03:37:16 exactly Feb 23 03:37:21 discovering the in-law's porn... I do not envy you Feb 23 03:37:27 haha Feb 23 03:37:33 well...I didn't actually discover it Feb 23 03:37:40 I saw the filenames...and that was enough Feb 23 03:38:08 site names and such. I'm sure it was "innocent" as it could have been, but yeah Feb 23 03:38:23 regardles Feb 23 03:38:26 s Feb 23 03:38:46 I'm reminded of that UK firm that would bully people into paying for infringing copyright on files they didn't actually download... Feb 23 03:38:49 I'm tempted to make their system refresh on every restart Feb 23 03:39:08 By saying it was stuff like "Hot Grandmas 7: Turbo Granny Butt Slut" Feb 23 03:39:19 or force a VM on boot Feb 23 03:39:19 Who'd want to go to court to fight if they had, or had not, downloaded that? Feb 23 03:39:44 I'd fight it Feb 23 03:40:26 if I do the crime, I'll take the responsibility...but if I didn't do it, I'll take down your company for accusing me Feb 23 03:40:41 or go down trying to take yours down lol Feb 23 03:41:14 not to mention, if I didn't fight it, I'd probably be facing divorce court for a filename like that Feb 23 03:41:45 PalmCast was good tonight Feb 23 03:41:49 Anyone familiar with Goby or Scvngr? Feb 23 03:41:53 except for Dieter calling me Rod, lol Feb 23 03:44:21 speaking of...anyone notice that quarkbase has me listed as a "key person" for precentral? O.o http://www.quarkbase.com/precentral.net Feb 23 03:49:21 alright well I think I'm headed to bed Feb 23 03:49:27 y'all have a good night Feb 23 03:54:08 re Feb 23 03:57:45 dang this place calms down at night.. :) Feb 23 04:05:43 cool, I can confirm that with a bit of finagling, the login to Palm Profile patch for 2.x works on 2.1 Feb 23 04:06:19 but, it does do something REALLY stupid... it shuts off wifi at the point it has you reenter your passwords Feb 23 04:13:16 SineOt: aye! is this related to bypass-activation? Feb 23 04:13:30 yeah Feb 23 04:13:47 I had to apply the patch manually (what a pain in the ass!) but it let me log in to my testing profile Feb 23 04:16:00 is this a dev device I assume? (one w/o service) what phone btw? iirc your main phone is Vz too right? Feb 23 04:16:31 my main is a Sprint Pixi (what cruel irony...) so this was on my dev ATT Pre+ without service Feb 23 04:16:46 ah Feb 23 04:16:49 hence the need to bypass activation, since I've got a dead SIM in there so it quit bitching about no SIM Feb 23 04:17:08 ~seen rwhitby Feb 23 04:17:15 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 1h, last said: 'you know you won't later :)'. Feb 23 04:17:55 haha Feb 23 04:18:41 ~seen NuttyBunny Feb 23 04:18:43 nuttybunny is currently on #webos-internals (1h 17m 3s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen NuttyBunny'. Feb 23 04:18:58 nice Feb 23 04:19:36 woa surprised that didn't infinite loop Feb 23 04:19:43 ~seen infobot Feb 23 04:19:45 infobot is currently on #utos (7h 2m 14s) #asterisk-doc (7h 2m 14s) #botpark (7h 2m 14s) ##t42 (7h 2m 14s) #maemo (7h 2m 14s) #fredlug (7h 2m 14s) ##ols (7h 2m 14s) #asterisk-scf-dev (7h 2m 14s) #flyspray (7h 2m 14s) #asterisk-dev (7h 2m 14s) #webos-internals (7h 2m 14s) #opensimpad.org (7h 2m 14s) #asterisk (7h 2m 14s) #byumug (7h 2m 14s) #wowprogramming (7h 2m ... Feb 23 04:19:50 If I get the "couldn't restore data" error, I have to go and disable backup, right? Feb 23 04:19:53 hahahaha Feb 23 04:19:56 cool :) Feb 23 04:20:01 rwhitby: if no one else has started one by the time I get home in a few hours, I will get a wiki started Feb 23 04:20:11 dirty dirty bot.. i thought you were OUR bot! Feb 23 04:20:48 * NuttyBunny plays Just Dance 2 for Wii :D Feb 23 04:21:01 at least the skeleton of one, anyway Feb 23 04:21:23 ajay: ugh, that wifi dying in the middle problem sucks Feb 23 04:21:35 idontwan2know: read the irc logs :) Feb 23 04:21:36 SineOt: i wonder if you can bring wifi up via CLI? Feb 23 04:21:59 (or maybe it would be useful to figure out why it went down) Feb 23 04:22:27 hay Feb 23 04:22:41 ajay: probably me applying something incorrectly in the patch Feb 23 04:23:12 hay sine Feb 23 04:23:16 since I applied it manually, since otherwise you get a chunk failure... not sure why, because nothing really changed Feb 23 04:23:20 what patch? Feb 23 04:23:26 NuttyBunny: rgr. I assume someone else is already working on it, then? Feb 23 04:23:37 profile login on activation bypassed devices Feb 23 04:23:58 like arthur's patch? Feb 23 04:24:15 yes Feb 23 04:25:02 what's wrong with it? Feb 23 04:25:47 nothing? Feb 23 04:26:32 it just won't apply cleanly on 2.1 because of some line count differences from what I can gather Feb 23 04:26:51 ahh ok Feb 23 04:33:43 * ajay says holy crap, "Rowan Atkinson is Doctor Who"? i'ev got to watch this.. ;^) Feb 23 04:42:25 idontwan2know I meant that if you want to know everything about 2.1 on Pre's that aren't german, today was a very productive day here :) Feb 23 04:44:03 oh, yes...ive been in and out most of the day Feb 23 04:50:37 it has been quite a ride, hasn't it? :D Feb 23 04:51:23 absolutely Feb 23 04:53:24 if I understand correctly, the only hurdles left are purchasing paid apps and getting access to minimum 2.0 apps in the catalog Feb 23 04:54:30 that's right, right now we're able to flash any Pre/Pre+ to 2.1.0, masquerade it for the Palm servers to think it's on 1.4.5 to have catalog access, and 2.1.0 for Preware :) Feb 23 04:54:36 some people seem to be able to purchase apps, but I can't tell if they are on carriers that have released 2.1 or not Feb 23 04:55:02 Yes, those who can buy apps on 2.1 are germans :) Feb 23 04:56:08 cool...it's so hard to follow on the forums cause nobody states the info you need. carrier, device, version, etc. Feb 23 04:57:26 that's because it hasn't been fully tested yet Feb 23 04:58:47 NuttyBunny, did anyone try masquerading as 2.0.1 on Vzw? Feb 23 04:59:10 no, I mean they say "i got x feature working". but you don't know if that's a breakthrough or not Feb 23 04:59:18 I've been at work and it's hard to pay attention to IRC Feb 23 05:00:06 ie., germans stating they can purchase apps...well, of course they can. it's an officially approved doctor for their carrier Feb 23 05:00:17 RMind: I don't know, I have an AT&T Pre Plus, and I just noticed that I killed my profile :) Feb 23 05:02:00 everyone lovin 2.1 ? Feb 23 05:02:14 kind of :p Feb 23 05:02:20 * joebpre is :-) Feb 23 05:02:22 it's fiddly without a real SIM Feb 23 05:02:31 SineOt: aw Feb 23 05:02:44 the most recent post in the 2.1 thread contains an interesting solution to getting the cdma modem drivers onto the phone instead of inserting them into the doctor Feb 23 05:02:54 you syuck at no Sims or something ? Feb 23 05:03:23 well spellcheck in wirc so awsemone :-) Feb 23 05:03:26 lmao i got my sprint metadoctor to work but it says i have 1.4.5 even though its 2.1.0 Feb 23 05:03:35 s/well/wow Feb 23 05:03:59 nah, I've got a sim, but it's unactivated Feb 23 05:05:54 just do the metadoctor, then use wosqi to flash the modem with the verizon modem files after it's booted Feb 23 05:06:00 gabe2gg: did you change your doctor or something ? Feb 23 05:06:30 what was that talk about changing tokens? Feb 23 05:06:32 no i used the O2 doctor with VWZ firmware Feb 23 05:06:43 gabe2gg: pre2 firmware? Feb 23 05:06:48 yes Feb 23 05:06:53 any problems? Feb 23 05:07:20 it's maybe not as elegant, but less intimidating for people who aren't as familiar with linux and themetadoctor Feb 23 05:07:24 well i have preware but it thinks i have 1.4.5 even though i cleary have 2.1 Feb 23 05:10:16 gabe2gg: put the correct palm-build-info back in place and reboot Feb 23 05:10:26 ah ok thanks Feb 23 05:10:50 gabe2gg: no problems otherwise? Feb 23 05:11:09 no its really smooth Feb 23 05:12:10 gabr2gg: reboot after changing the palm-build-info file Feb 23 05:12:51 gabe2gg: Pre- ? Feb 23 05:12:56 yes Feb 23 05:13:09 gabe2gg: can you install Govnah and tell me what the advanced settings are saying for compcache? Feb 23 05:13:10 hola .. compcache . I just read something about it for pre + .. is it a preware patch or something ? Feb 23 05:13:42 rwhitby: I'm on pre + with govnah installed Feb 23 05:13:49 its in uberkernahl Feb 23 05:13:54 I'm on ATT though Feb 23 05:14:07 oil: and also in the 2.1.0 stock kernel Feb 23 05:14:33 i know :) Feb 23 05:15:11 compcahce memlimit is 10240 Feb 23 05:17:15 you got a preplus though right? Feb 23 05:17:21 you got boatload of memory Feb 23 05:17:38 mmmm.... mem... Feb 23 05:17:40 I can only assume it's a left over from the Pre- builds Feb 23 05:19:50 for 2.1 on pre- Feb 23 05:20:07 yes Feb 23 05:20:58 aaaaand if they've just gone and added compcache from the get go, it makes you wonder why they didn't just bump from 10mb to 24mb and ship it on the Pixi :/ Feb 23 05:22:36 anyone know how to get the Palm profiles working? Feb 23 05:22:44 I just need instructions Feb 23 05:26:26 gabe2gg: so everything works great on your phone? are you going to go for skype next? Feb 23 05:26:42 i have a spint pre i dont think skype will work Feb 23 05:26:53 I dont see why not Feb 23 05:27:14 it's skype mobile, not the real ip phone application Feb 23 05:27:24 the calls go through verizon's voice network Feb 23 05:27:26 gabe2gg: oh I thought you were vz, oops Feb 23 05:27:28 it's a scam so to say Feb 23 05:27:49 * NuttyBunny loves to rant Feb 23 05:29:59 rwhitby forgive me but how would i acess /etc/ to place the palm-build-info if i cant use internalz? do i use a SSH client? Feb 23 05:31:54 novacom put Feb 23 05:32:20 NuttyBunny: yeah, it's a scam Feb 23 05:42:37 I certainly hope that that isn't the way skype ends up being implemented on the Pre3/touchpad Feb 23 05:59:56 is there a "go-to" gps app that is recommended here? Feb 23 06:36:22 help :( Feb 23 06:37:49 NuttyBunny: whassup? Feb 23 06:38:00 If, after doctoring several times forward and backwards with several doctors, my Pre Plus (now at 1.4.5 official) just creates profiles with version 9.9.9 it means I'm screwed, right? Feb 23 06:38:25 I'd say it has a bad token Feb 23 06:38:47 your tokens need to match the device record on file from first activation Feb 23 06:38:57 mmm... I just saw that maybe I emailed my token file to myself Feb 23 06:39:14 what's the filename to search for it? Feb 23 06:39:21 castle.xml Feb 23 06:40:38 Yes! :D Feb 23 06:40:44 rwhitby: doctor keeps failing at 82%... Can I not put in a custom patched version of the first use app? Feb 23 06:41:09 SineOt: are you watching the doctor log as it runs? Feb 23 06:41:32 no, I probably should have. running it in the background while writing essays Feb 23 06:41:52 Thanks Rod! The day you screwed some tokens I used Show Properties on my Plus and sent me the email :D Now I just need to reflash it, but that'll be tomorrow since it's 12:40 am here Feb 23 06:41:57 SineOt: my update failed at 82% as well, but it still works fine Feb 23 06:43:57 oh, heh. rwhitby: yeah, can't patch firstuse for use in metadoctor. breaks on the check of file integrity for the flash Feb 23 06:44:23 SineOt: yeah, that'll be a fuzz mismatch Feb 23 06:44:50 I'll need to refresh that 2.1.0 patch Feb 23 06:45:18 * SineOt is trying to get the profile login for activation bypass patched first use app on a device without a SIM, to avoid having two palm profiles listed... Partly because it's way ugly Feb 23 06:45:27 mmm... the DMSVRoNONCE seems different Feb 23 06:46:18 SineOt: Just create the /var/luna/preferences/ran_first_app file before the doctor hits 50% ;) Feb 23 06:47:25 SineOt: not that you can ignore file integrity mismatches that you can reconcile. just reboot and continue as if it passed Feb 23 06:48:41 Rod... the tokens are correct :S Feb 23 06:48:44 NuttyBunny: I don't want to skip first run entirely... I just want to log into my profile without also having Dr. Skipped Firstuse or whatever Feb 23 06:49:15 I just delete the account from the database :) Feb 23 06:49:18 this is the way round about way to try it out P: Feb 23 06:49:25 heh, man, that sounds a lot easier. :p Feb 23 06:49:27 With what? Feb 23 06:49:57 in 1.4.x with sqlite commands Feb 23 06:50:03 SineOt: just do a full erase to start again with first use Feb 23 06:50:12 on 2.x I haven't tried yet :) Feb 23 06:51:11 I need wifi left on... no cellular data at all Feb 23 06:51:37 * PatrickC_Pre needs some sleep Feb 23 06:51:39 night all Feb 23 06:51:46 so I used the install wifi profile meta doctor option + prepatched first use with the profile login for activation bypassed devices Feb 23 06:52:21 although it's been sitting at "Setting Language" for about 10 minutes now... Feb 23 06:52:23 * rwhitby is lost Feb 23 06:52:46 * rwhitby is probably lost cause he has no context for this conversation Feb 23 06:53:01 GSM ATT Pre+, no SIM, trying to get as close to a normal activation as possible, eg one Palm profile listed Feb 23 06:53:59 ah, you may need a sim to get profile login Feb 23 06:55:32 nah, I did it once before, but you end up with two profiles listed and it was misbehaving pretty badly (contacts wouldn't sync, other oddities) Feb 23 06:55:52 although, app catalog access is based only on the first activation, isn't it? Feb 23 06:55:53 So whats the latest news with the palm profils? can we log in with 1.4.5 profles yet? Feb 23 06:56:28 SineOt: right, you don't want Dr. Skipped FirstUse Feb 23 06:56:39 correct Feb 23 06:57:00 if I could get this past Setting Language I could avoid that entirely, but it seems to stall on that step in the first use app Feb 23 06:57:42 I've got it booting fresh, wifi access for the profile login, it's not complaining about the lack of SIM... it just won't set language Feb 23 06:59:01 dunno, what does /var/log/messages and ls-monitor say? Feb 23 07:00:37 LarrySteeze|Away: back Feb 23 07:01:03 let's see... ls-monitor isn't really saying anything, just updating the RSSI every once in a while Feb 23 07:01:13 although now it seems to be doing something Feb 23 07:01:21 you'll want to be looking at it while you start first use Feb 23 07:02:25 rwhitby: has anyone gotten the vzw pre2 modem firmware working for sprint on castle yet? I think it *should* work, not sure why it wasn't with the earlier attempt Feb 23 07:03:33 yes Feb 23 07:04:43 rwhitby: just PmUpdater by hand or injecting it into the 2.1.0 doctor with metadoctor? Feb 23 07:06:45 hmm from the scrollback, guessing the latter Feb 23 07:07:12 rwhitby: looks like com.palm.systemservice calls a few apps, and sets their locale info, then rolls down to start running com.palm.service.customization which bounces around with com.palm.activitymonitor... Feb 23 07:08:02 seems to be throwing errors about NO_TOKEN Feb 23 07:09:06 then it just gives up and updates the RSSI events Feb 23 07:09:56 NO_TOKEN seems odd since I know I rolled castle.xml with my saved tokens Feb 23 07:10:01 g'morning Feb 23 07:10:21 rwhitby: hi Feb 23 07:10:25 g'day Feb 23 07:10:36 SineOt: no token is usual before profile login Feb 23 07:11:11 could someone link me to instructions to get palm profile working on 2.1? Feb 23 07:11:12 hi noradtux Feb 23 07:11:15 rwhitby: do you have some knowledge of that new ls2-system? it seems it doesn't generate the correct role-files for navit Feb 23 07:11:19 moin Feb 23 07:11:21 hape_: moin moin :) Feb 23 07:11:31 rwhitby: any leads on what could be causing it? Feb 23 07:12:11 destinal: read the 2.1.0 metadoc thread - folks have used PmUpdater successfully Feb 23 07:12:24 destinal: people in the forums have reported succes both by inject the cdma modem drivers into the doctor *and* by flashing them later Feb 23 07:12:43 or just listen to rwhitby :) Feb 23 07:13:46 rwhitby: y'know, I think I'll just go try and dig up another ATT SIM Feb 23 07:16:30 destinal, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash gives an outline of the process, Jack87|Away wrote it... not sure if anything has changed for 2.X though Feb 23 07:16:54 cryptk: yeah, I tried that with nebula and it seemed to hang a long time at creating temp file.. not sure why Feb 23 07:20:43 can someone help me with the mata doc? Feb 23 07:20:49 meta Feb 23 07:21:00 I want to add stuff to it Feb 23 07:21:12 So I have the Meta-doctor folder in ubuntu Feb 23 07:21:21 ingedud_goth, depends on what you are truing to do Feb 23 07:21:25 it has downloads and build and stuff Feb 23 07:22:08 what are you trying to add to it? Feb 23 07:22:14 and what is your end goal? Feb 23 07:22:44 I'm trying to use my old palm profile on 2.1 Feb 23 07:23:27 And I would sorta like to add flash and sprint nav Feb 23 07:23:33 and voice Feb 23 07:24:10 did you get the official update or a hack? Feb 23 07:25:19 are you talking about the leak? Feb 23 07:25:57 you won't be able to add flash Feb 23 07:25:57 I'm using the same 2.1 version everyone is talking about Feb 23 07:26:04 Sprint Nav takes some work Feb 23 07:26:36 how are people modding things like the palm-build file? Feb 23 07:26:40 you need to put the doctor file in the downloads folder, named properly, then use the metadoc to work with it Feb 23 07:26:47 are the rename the doctore to .zip Feb 23 07:26:53 or do they do it qith meta dr? Feb 23 07:27:07 ingedud_goth, if you have no or very little meta-doc experience, then I would HIGHLY recommend that you want a few days for all of the kinks to get worked out Feb 23 07:27:17 you don't need to change it to zip, a jar file is not a zip file Feb 23 07:27:18 I plused my pre minus Feb 23 07:27:34 plusing a pre- is not nerely as technical as this is Feb 23 07:27:51 I hacked my wii lol Feb 23 07:28:01 again, that is not nerely as technical Feb 23 07:28:11 cryptk: a jar file is a renamed zip, so yeah, it is a zip file :p Feb 23 07:28:17 that is pretty much (put this magic file on a card, boot your wii) Feb 23 07:28:24 SineOt, no, it is not Feb 23 07:28:39 SineOt: it's a zip file with specific contents and metadata :) Feb 23 07:28:48 I can rename a jar to zip, extract the contents, dick with it, rezip, rename, works! :V Feb 23 07:28:59 yes you can, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing Feb 23 07:29:11 uhm Feb 23 07:29:22 Jar is an extension of Zip, a Jar is made in a certain way with certain files of certain types in certain locations Feb 23 07:29:26 Replaced castle.xml with a modified version with the Sprint tokens. ... where do I get sprint tokens? Feb 23 07:29:36 infobot, from your sprint phone Feb 23 07:29:51 s/infobot/ingedud_goth / Feb 23 07:29:52 cryptk meant: ingedud_goth , from your sprint phone Feb 23 07:29:59 stupid tab complete, lol Feb 23 07:30:21 where r they on my phone? Feb 23 07:30:31 You said you plussed your pre right? Feb 23 07:30:35 yeah Feb 23 07:30:38 okok Feb 23 07:30:40 you get them from the same place as you did for that Feb 23 07:30:55 you can use Show Props, get them at the command line, etc, lots of options Feb 23 07:31:19 what will i gain if i upgrade to 2.1? i have my pre well tuned with bought and configured software, important data i dont wanna mess with Feb 23 07:31:40 willem83, then I would recommend you wait if you want to use your main profile Feb 23 07:31:47 let some others blaze the path first Feb 23 07:32:33 willem83: I would _not_ do this on a device I cared about Feb 23 07:33:02 cool thanks, but when this comes up...what will i gain? any major differences? Feb 23 07:33:50 i have a pre minus gsm european, spain Feb 23 07:34:49 there are videos on precentral about all the new features in 2.0. you would gain stacks, bluetooth keyboards, exhibition mode for a touchstone alarm clock sort of mode, hardware video acceleration in the user interface (launcher is much snappier), multiple cards and the ability to rename them. probably a ton of things I'm not thinking of Feb 23 07:35:25 VPN client, "just type" which does a lot more than universal search Feb 23 07:36:32 VPN client? hotness Feb 23 07:36:58 * wgreenhouse plots ways to more deeply integrate a webos device into his home network of Debian machines :) Feb 23 07:37:08 flash? Feb 23 07:37:36 will the patches, preware,uberkernel,etc...work? Feb 23 07:37:42 willem83: well, that's an odd one out. flash is supported in webos 2.0 but it was specifically left out of this doctor image for O2 pre+ Feb 23 07:37:51 willem83: there are already 2.x-specific patches in Preware Feb 23 07:37:55 that doesn't mean we can't add it back in, but the performance may not be good Feb 23 07:38:32 destinal: can it really be worse than the performance Linux users put up with for Flash 6-7 years ago? Feb 23 07:38:40 I mean, I'm sure it'll be tolerable even if it's bad Feb 23 07:38:54 a little bird once told me it's tolerable, and really not that bad Feb 23 07:39:02 do you thinks its possible someone extracting flash from another webos 2 rom and making it installable vía patch? Feb 23 07:39:13 hmm Feb 23 07:39:37 I wonder if webOS's browser would be able to support an nspluginviewer binary built for ARM Linux Feb 23 07:40:07 the only way it will be tolerable is if it's off by default and you have to click-to-enable each instance of the plugin Feb 23 07:40:31 pretty sure that's how it works Feb 23 07:40:33 a pop-out flash player would also be tolerable Feb 23 07:40:44 i.e. a separate card you can easily toss away and thus deactivate Feb 23 07:43:48 with overclocking on a pre+ it may be workable though, who knows Feb 23 07:43:48 on a pre, memory is a problem Feb 23 07:44:13 hey question Feb 23 07:44:18 but a pre+ with compcache, maybe? Feb 23 07:44:24 since I used to use the leaked 2.0.1 Feb 23 07:44:34 do I need to flash the radio firmware? Feb 23 07:44:42 cause I could make calls just fine on 2.1 Feb 23 07:44:48 so am I good to go? Feb 23 07:45:14 willem83, it may be possible to grab flash and put it on a Pre+, but it would have to be more than a patch... Feb 23 07:45:42 it would likely require a package and a patch... and while we can distribute the patch portion, there may be legal implications of us distributing the flash package portion Feb 23 07:45:49 wow, on a dual-core HP TouchPad, though Feb 23 07:45:53 might be almost pleasant Feb 23 07:46:05 so it may be something more like you grabbing files from a different 2.0 Doc, putting them on the phone, then installing a patch to make them work Feb 23 07:47:46 is there a terminal emulator for 1.4.5 that can do webOS copy+paste? Feb 23 07:48:11 that's the one thing Terminal lacks, sadly Feb 23 07:49:46 actually, the latest versions can do paste Feb 23 07:50:06 do we rly need to screw around with tokens to get profile working? Feb 23 07:50:31 ingedud_goth, yes Feb 23 07:50:37 that is part of the comm swap Feb 23 07:50:39 ingedud_goth: no, we're just saying that to make things harder for everyone. what do you think? ;) Feb 23 07:50:53 rwhitby: is there a terminal emulator that can do selection and copying of terminal output? Feb 23 07:51:03 you have to do all of the normal comm swap stuff, PLUS extra parts to get profiles/app cat working Feb 23 07:53:40 wgreenhouse: no Feb 23 07:54:08 wgreenhouse: use novaterm Feb 23 07:54:36 rwhitby: I actually ask not because I want a terminal to do webOS config stuff, but because I want a nicer SSH client Feb 23 07:54:49 I ssh into my Linux boxes from the Pre+ occasionally Feb 23 07:56:12 sometimes it would be handy to copy off information from the screen Feb 23 07:56:20 oh well, I can email myself from the remote machine :) Feb 23 07:59:34 Ima use the script Feb 23 07:59:35 wgreenhouse: I see Feb 23 07:59:49 I wish that HP had bothered making video work properly in 2.1. Feb 23 08:00:04 whats wrong with video? Feb 23 08:00:10 the video player is awful. Feb 23 08:00:16 no chapter support Feb 23 08:00:26 can't play any of my DVD rips Feb 23 08:00:39 rip it to MP4 Feb 23 08:00:44 they're *in* MP4. Feb 23 08:00:47 work fine on iPod Touch and iPhones. Feb 23 08:00:52 hm Feb 23 08:02:01 by all rights, according to all the specs I've read, these files *should* play. Feb 23 08:02:05 but the player chokes and crashes. Feb 23 08:04:39 does anyone know if edcates's script will work in cygwin? Feb 23 08:05:49 wgreenhouse: we're working on better solutions, but it's not getting a lot of time at the moment Feb 23 08:06:51 destinal: glad to hear someone's looking at it, even if it's not a priority. :) Feb 23 08:08:08 like I said to rwhitby , Terminal at least works well enough to email myself from the remote machine if I need to relay back important info Feb 23 08:12:50 Guest44570, it may, it may not... do you trust something that is already dangerous/could cause damage to chance? Feb 23 08:13:26 guys, we really cannot stress this enough... I know we say alot "this is not for the feint of heart... do this at your won risk... it could break stuff" Feb 23 08:13:44 and we are usually really good about getting thins at least semi-reliable before they even hit the testing feeds Feb 23 08:13:51 but we really really really do mean it this time Feb 23 08:13:53 Guest95604: install Ubuntu in a virtual machine Feb 23 08:14:49 ok. I'd used cygwin for meta-doc before. I will play it safe on this. Feb 23 08:14:55 thanks. Feb 23 08:16:12 the only reason rwhitby and I went down the path to do it was because I have spare phones... I have spare comm boards... if we broke it then all I would have to do is de-activate one comm board on my sprint account and activate another Feb 23 08:16:30 ok, here we go... 2.1 on a pre- Feb 23 08:30:17 Guest44570: you should try and get the script to create a doctor successfully. and contribute back any fixes. but I recommend not flashing it until you are 100% sure your script has created a correct doctor. Feb 23 08:42:53 is 2.1 working at all on the AT&T Pre+? Feb 23 08:43:46 where is flash on the pre 2 dr? Feb 23 08:43:55 is it inside the browser app? Feb 23 08:44:38 wgreenhouse: I don't have one but I think people posted in the thread saying it was working Feb 23 08:47:07 fun fun. Feb 23 08:47:13 possible weekend hack/break something session Feb 23 08:49:28 wgreenhouse, the same technique should apply Feb 23 08:49:34 RE: 2.1 on ATT Pre+ Feb 23 08:49:52 ingedud_goth, it isn't there at all in the Doc made for the GSM Pre+ AFAIK Feb 23 08:50:08 you would have to find it in the doc for the VZW Pre2, then find a way to hack it in Feb 23 08:50:12 and then hope it works Feb 23 08:54:09 what if we take the brower app inside the pre 2 doctor and exchange it for the browser that gets installed on the pre plus 2.1? = flash? Feb 23 08:56:52 I'll try it Feb 23 08:58:10 ingedud_goth: it's more than just the browser, flash plugins are there too Feb 23 08:58:35 wgreenhouse: I'm on ATT pre + and 2.1 is fine Feb 23 08:58:57 rwhitby: Hi, I'm trying out your latest MD, just what would be the command line for the sprint pre? thanks Feb 23 08:59:13 wgreenhouse: I created my own metadoctor early this morning Feb 23 08:59:44 mandaman2k: it's in the thread Feb 23 08:59:45 destinal: previously you had a version of a frankendoctor based on a Pre2 doctor working except for a couple graphic libs right? Feb 23 09:00:03 idontwan2know: yep Feb 23 09:01:01 idontwan2know: so to extend that thought, we could get 2.0.1 based on pre2 doctor working, but 2.1 is probably superior in a number of ways (except for flash) Feb 23 09:01:28 destinal: so wouldn't the best way of getting flash be to swap those files from the O2 Pre+ doctor into what you had? Feb 23 09:01:49 good point, I forgot2.1 isn't out for Pre2 yet Feb 23 09:03:04 idontwan2know: yeah. that's the main thing. so yeah, if pre2 gets 2.1 doctor we can just diff the two and figure out what's up, or we can try installing flash plugins and potentially browser from pre2 into this 2.1 Feb 23 09:03:19 at any rate, it should be possible Feb 23 09:03:29 re Feb 23 09:03:30 hash worked perfect Feb 23 09:03:57 sorry I mean md5sum Feb 23 09:05:14 I build the doctor like this: "make CUSTOM_CARRIER_LIST=Sprint CUSTOM_MODEL_LIST=P100EWW DEVICE=preplus CARRIER=wr" is it alright? Feb 23 09:06:08 is there a chance that if I wait a week or two, Palm will have sorted out the 2.x issues on the profile server? Feb 23 09:06:14 destinal: cool. that seems like a lot more elegant way to go about it than the hackish stuff peple are trying Feb 23 09:06:52 I don't see many posts from verizon pre+ owners? Feb 23 09:07:07 wgreenhouse: It sounds like they've already sorted all they're going to Feb 23 09:07:23 idontwan2know: one of the nice things about webos is that it's based on openembedded and uses ipkg packaging. it's therefore possible to look at the installed system like in the rootfs tarball in a webos doctor and re-create an ipk file based on an already installed package Feb 23 09:07:52 see you tomorrow :-) Feb 23 09:08:00 so you can get the flash plugins ipk almost identical to the one palm originally installed on that rootfs Feb 23 09:08:17 and just install it on your 2.1 device or what have you Feb 23 09:09:17 gotcha. neat stuff Feb 23 09:09:59 will play with it tomorrow or something. for now, must sleep Feb 23 09:10:38 wgreenhouse: I don't think palm will change anything to make it easier on you to download 2.x apps on a carrier that doesn't support it Feb 23 09:11:14 idontwan2know: clearly we have to be the ones to make it easier :) Feb 23 09:11:38 exactly Feb 23 09:11:39 lol Feb 23 09:12:03 INCREASE_VAR_SPACE is still borked in the metadoctor Feb 23 09:13:34 rwhitby: I build the doctor like this: "make CUSTOM_CARRIER_LIST=Sprint CUSTOM_MODEL_LIST=P100EWW DEVICE=preplus CARRIER=wr" is it alright? Feb 23 09:16:38 * ajay wonders.. what's the worst that could happen? Feb 23 09:19:12 mandaman2k: see my latest tweet Feb 23 09:20:19 * dgathright pokes head into channel for first time today. Feb 23 09:20:24 rwhitby: nice, man you are amazing, upadating my git Feb 23 09:20:31 Sounds like you guys have been making food progress Feb 23 09:20:44 food progress is always good progress Feb 23 09:20:45 food? Feb 23 09:20:46 errr good Feb 23 09:20:50 :) Feb 23 09:21:11 my script ended with an error Feb 23 09:21:28 but it produced a jar dr in the build directory Feb 23 09:21:36 so I flashed with it anyways Feb 23 09:21:41 I hope no proken Feb 23 09:21:52 woa.. that script is amazing Feb 23 09:22:36 damn... you guys are making so much progress that my live "Sprintifying" isn't going to be nearly as cool now... Feb 23 09:22:47 hey guys look... I run 3 commands... done... Feb 23 09:22:57 not nearly as impressive as "Watch me hack for 20 minutes" Feb 23 09:23:00 :) Feb 23 09:23:12 but.... KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! Feb 23 09:23:37 laboration_otion: seriously? you saw an error, but you're flashing anyway? Feb 23 09:24:01 hmm, where's that forum thread again? Feb 23 09:24:44 rwhitby: How come INCREASE_VAR_SPACE wasn't updated for 2.x? Feb 23 09:25:07 http://bit.ly/webos-210-meta-doctor Feb 23 09:25:18 ajay: cause no-one sent a patch? Feb 23 09:26:16 rwhitby: you're talking about metadoctor? Feb 23 09:26:18 ajay: (and even that sometimes doesn't get me off my ass to do it) Feb 23 09:27:23 patch huh.. hmm.. best way would be to check if 1.x or 2.x, and s/64 or s/256 as appropriate, but that gets sticky Feb 23 09:28:08 ajay: yep Feb 23 09:28:45 but the easy way would be to run the s/ cmd 2x Feb 23 09:29:38 ajay: you should use ADD_EXT3FS_PARTITION instead Feb 23 09:29:45 then you can choose the size Feb 23 09:30:03 rwhitby: I have done that before, but I decided i really like the big /var instead Feb 23 09:30:27 and anyways, if I could do that is still a different topic :) Feb 23 09:30:56 ok, change INCREASE_VAR_SPACE to EXTEND_VAR_SPACE=2GB or something like that Feb 23 09:31:10 so you can select the size Feb 23 09:31:35 oo that's kind of sexy Feb 23 09:32:12 still would require the version checks tho Feb 23 09:34:18 make it not :) Feb 23 09:34:23 * rwhitby bbl Feb 23 09:35:03 quick q: what are the files that are specific to the device build? like kernel, etc Feb 23 09:35:20 rwhitby: oh you can't bbl after saying that! gah :) Feb 23 09:37:31 oh they're in webOS.tar.. hmm Feb 23 09:37:33 anyone around that has a Pre2 AND knows how to memboot? Feb 23 09:39:14 actually, if you have a Pre2, a few spare minutes, and know what novacom/novaterm are, that would be enough Feb 23 09:39:15 So I used the script Feb 23 09:39:22 memboot is super easy Feb 23 09:39:25 and it says "data not restored" Feb 23 09:39:26 laboration_otion, and? Feb 23 09:39:27 ideas? Feb 23 09:39:37 cryptk: sure Feb 23 09:39:43 well, didn't you say you got an error with the script? Feb 23 09:39:47 something may not have gone right Feb 23 09:39:49 hm Feb 23 09:39:54 ok I'll make a new one Feb 23 09:40:01 ajay, can you try membooting the testing feed SR71 kernel for me please? Feb 23 09:40:04 i've done it before, but i don't quite remember how Feb 23 09:40:11 I can tell you how to do it Feb 23 09:40:24 ajay, is your Pre2 modified? (more than just patches/kernel) Feb 23 09:40:30 your gonna try sr71 on 2.1? Feb 23 09:40:35 like is it Sprintified? or comm swapped? Feb 23 09:40:39 laboration_otion, no, this is on a Pre2 Feb 23 09:40:42 2.0.1 Feb 23 09:40:49 oh my bad Feb 23 09:40:51 what the kernel is designed for Feb 23 09:41:15 ajay, are you on windows or linux? Feb 23 09:41:37 linux Feb 23 09:41:42 cool Feb 23 09:41:43 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/2.0.1/org.webosinternals.kernels.psycho-sr71-kernel-pre2_2.0.1-9_arm.ipk Feb 23 09:41:48 cryptk: no patches, no kernel Feb 23 09:41:56 download that for me and open it up in archive manager (assuming you are on Ubuntu) Feb 23 09:42:18 can't just double click cause stupid Ubuntu Software Center will ask if you wanna install it, lol Feb 23 09:42:29 but right click > Archive Manager works Feb 23 09:42:31 one minute (yes ubuntu) Feb 23 09:42:39 kk, take your time Feb 23 09:43:03 oh wait i let it boot normal, oops Feb 23 09:43:13 hm, I don't remember changing it to a Palm startup logo, weird Feb 23 09:43:50 downloaded Feb 23 09:44:03 once you get that open in archive manager, go to /usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.kernels.psycho-sr71-kernel-pre2/additional_files/boot/ inside it Feb 23 09:44:10 and drag out the uImage file Feb 23 09:44:10 why does it say syntax error unexpected end of file? Feb 23 09:44:30 laboration_otion, possibly cause you are doing something wrong, or using a version of metadoc it doesn't work with Feb 23 09:44:33 no clue Feb 23 09:44:45 I haven't used the script, and I don't know what version fo meta-doc it is made for Feb 23 09:44:56 (there have been several updates to meta doc in the last few days) Feb 23 09:45:09 I belive it downloads a new version of meta dr every time Feb 23 09:45:24 i don't see itcry: ok Feb 23 09:45:31 could be that meta doc was updated since the script was written then, so the script may not work now Feb 23 09:45:43 thanx Feb 23 09:45:45 ajay, don't see what? Feb 23 09:45:55 cryptk: ignore that Feb 23 09:45:59 ahh, lol Feb 23 09:46:08 ok, you have the uImage extracted? Feb 23 09:46:10 yes Feb 23 09:46:14 ok... Feb 23 09:46:34 actually... would you mind doing it a slightly different way so we can get a second kernel crash log? Feb 23 09:46:47 actually... we can get it this way... nevermind Feb 23 09:46:52 ok, open a terminal Feb 23 09:46:53 and i have metadoctor Feb 23 09:47:06 cd to wherever you extracted that uImage to Feb 23 09:47:15 it's like i'm already ahead of you :) Feb 23 09:47:16 phone is in recovery mode and connected with USB right? Feb 23 09:47:20 not recovery mode Feb 23 09:47:34 yeah, get it in recovery mode, can't memboot without that part Feb 23 09:47:59 membooting btw is a way to boot a kernel from your PC... then next time the phone reboots you get the kernel on the phone (unless you memboot again) Feb 23 09:48:09 what was it, pull out the battery, plug in usb, and volume up? Feb 23 09:48:10 great for testing crashy kernels, and getting klogs from them Feb 23 09:48:36 turn phone off, unplug USB... hold Vol up, plug in USB, continue to hold Vol up Feb 23 09:48:45 got it Feb 23 09:48:58 ok, so recovery mode and cd'd to the directory with uImage? Feb 23 09:49:19 yeah Feb 23 09:49:26 novacom boot mem:// < uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Feb 23 09:49:35 and the phone should swap to the palm logo Feb 23 09:49:43 once it does, wait 10 seconds and hold vol up again Feb 23 09:49:57 the kernel will ikely crash, then the phone will reboot and we wait it to go back into recovery Feb 23 09:50:11 if it doesn't crash and the phone boots successfully, let me know Feb 23 09:50:17 (this shouldn't damage anything btw) Feb 23 09:50:37 you mean the swapping palm logo? (cuz its palm logo all the time) Feb 23 09:50:42 it flashed for a sec Feb 23 09:50:50 oops i think i missed my 10 sec mark Feb 23 09:50:58 that's fine, just hold it now Feb 23 09:51:12 when it flashed that is because the kernel panic'd and it rebooted Feb 23 09:51:14 it booted Feb 23 09:51:19 yeah, but it booted to stock Feb 23 09:51:23 oh Feb 23 09:51:32 go back to recovery mode and redo the memboot Feb 23 09:51:44 once you see Palm, wait 10 seconds and start holding vol up Feb 23 09:51:53 and keep holding it until you get back to recovery mode Feb 23 09:53:01 you need to be holding it before the Palm logo flashes (that is it rebooting) Feb 23 09:53:07 ok got it Feb 23 09:53:09 sweet Feb 23 09:53:12 now novaterm in Feb 23 09:53:30 lemme know when you are novaterm'd Feb 23 09:53:34 man this is takin a minute Feb 23 09:53:42 oh cuz i'm here, haha Feb 23 09:53:49 haha Feb 23 09:53:58 i was waiting for a prompt Feb 23 09:54:00 hahaha Feb 23 09:54:09 ok, you novatermed? Feb 23 09:54:15 novaterm the whip! Feb 23 09:54:21 run this command Feb 23 09:54:24 you can go a little faster :) Feb 23 09:54:28 well, press enter once or twice Feb 23 09:54:33 you should see a ] prompt Feb 23 09:54:38 once you see that prompt Feb 23 09:54:40 klog last Feb 23 09:54:53 oh that was a shitton of info Feb 23 09:54:54 last couple lines of output should say something about kernel panic and rebooting Feb 23 09:55:02 do they? Feb 23 09:55:21 if so, then copy and paste the entire klog into pastebin for me please Feb 23 09:55:23 yeah Feb 23 09:55:44 once you have it pastebinned you can reboot the phone normally and you will be abck like nothing ever happened Feb 23 09:56:04 please get the whole thing, starting with the "Welcome to Bootie" part to the last line of it Feb 23 09:57:06 cryptk: lucky for you i have enough scrollback! :) http://pastebin.com/8XtW97td Feb 23 09:57:14 hehe, yeah, they are kinda long Feb 23 09:57:19 thanks for the help man! Feb 23 09:57:26 cryptk: are you working on a 2.1.0 kernel for Pre+ btw? Feb 23 09:57:33 cryptk: np Feb 23 09:57:56 ajay, I don't do the kernels, unixpsycho does... I am just getting some info that he may need to debug it Feb 23 09:57:58 * ajay wishes he could use this pre2.. aah! Feb 23 09:58:06 I have a klog from mine, but mine is also "Sprintified" Feb 23 09:58:11 cryptk: ah Feb 23 09:58:17 I wanted to make sure it wasn't related to the Sprintifying Feb 23 09:58:27 hence why it was great that yours is unmodified Feb 23 09:58:30 well make sure to ask him for me.. :) Feb 23 09:59:11 i debate frankenpre'ing it to verizon, but oh, getting a verizon pre2 would be oh-so-nice Feb 23 09:59:31 hehe, well, he can't really work on the kernels much until a version officially comes out, but now that 2.1.0 is released, I am sure there will be kernels for it soon enough Feb 23 09:59:44 for the meta-sprint-pre script does it bypass activation by default? Feb 23 09:59:55 cryptk: 2..0.x wasn't officially released yet either, was it? (nor the pre2) Feb 23 10:00:05 in terms of kernel src, is what I assume we're both talking about Feb 23 10:00:13 which doesn't come out until post-NDA Feb 23 10:00:14 I'm reading the script and I don't see it flagged Feb 23 10:00:28 bionicRobot, no Feb 23 10:00:34 you do not want to bypass activation for this Feb 23 10:00:43 or you won't be able to sign into a palm profile, or use it as a phone Feb 23 10:00:59 ajay, that and where would he keep his code Feb 23 10:01:00 okay. but I don't have sprint in my area Feb 23 10:01:17 so will activation go over wifi? Feb 23 10:01:17 can't have NDA related code in our publicly accessible git repo, lol Feb 23 10:01:21 bionicRobot, no Feb 23 10:01:40 bionicRobot, if there is no sprint in your area, why are you making a phone for sprint? Feb 23 10:01:55 for hacking Feb 23 10:01:56 cryptk: ? there's no kernel src for pre2 either, afaik.. is that wrong? Feb 23 10:02:01 ajay, if you are curious, here is the klog from my failed bootup Feb 23 10:02:01 http://webos.pastebin.com/8TtK9vxb Feb 23 10:02:07 ajay, that is wrong Feb 23 10:02:12 there is kernel source for it Feb 23 10:02:31 oh really?? i thought kernel src came after NDA was over.. nice! Feb 23 10:02:38 oops, i didn't use webos.pastebin! Feb 23 10:02:43 Pre2 has been out of NDA for forever Feb 23 10:02:48 ajay, that's fine Feb 23 10:03:05 bionicRobot, why not make a Pre2 for a carrier that is in your area then Feb 23 10:03:13 assuming you have a CDMA carrier in your area Feb 23 10:03:18 cryptk: I didn't think the Pre2 was NDA, I meant webOS 2.x SDK silly :) Feb 23 10:03:36 I'm not in the USA so no CDMA Feb 23 10:03:53 ahh, the SDK is still EA/NDA, but once the Pre2 is released, they need to release sources Feb 23 10:03:56 thems the rules of the GPL Feb 23 10:04:03 brb, thanks again for the help Feb 23 10:04:03 aaaaaaaaaa Feb 23 10:04:09 wicked Feb 23 10:04:21 np again :) Feb 23 10:04:22 technically they don't have to release it right away... but they have to release it upon request Feb 23 10:04:33 they just release it right away because they KNOW that we will request it Feb 23 10:04:38 heh Feb 23 10:04:39 lol Feb 23 10:04:45 it's been like 24 hrs, where they at!! :) Feb 23 10:04:55 haha Feb 23 10:05:07 they are allowed a "reasonable amount of time" under the terms of the GPL Feb 23 10:05:16 "in the coming months"? Feb 23 10:05:17 so doesn't have to be immediate, but needs to be timely Feb 23 10:05:24 ;^) Feb 23 10:05:33 ajay, fortunately Palm did not write the GPL Feb 23 10:05:36 haha Feb 23 10:05:52 otherwise everything WOSI does would be "in the coming months" Feb 23 10:05:56 * ajay all praise RMS Feb 23 10:06:11 ok, bbiaf Feb 23 10:10:03 usually they take a couple of weeks Feb 23 10:11:29 oh, "in the coming weeks" Feb 23 10:11:33 right Feb 23 10:12:16 rwhitby: do you know if anyone is working on a verizon pre+ ver of a script for metadoc'in? Feb 23 10:12:25 (to 2.1) Feb 23 10:14:40 hey guys Feb 23 10:18:07 ajay, modifying the one that exists for sprint shoudln't be too hard Feb 23 10:18:25 same process, change a couple of things and you /should/ be good to go Feb 23 10:18:40 I wanna see one for making a Telcel Palm Pre2+ Feb 23 10:18:51 cryptk: tryin :) Feb 23 10:18:55 you have a telcel? Feb 23 10:19:06 rwhitby, me or ajay? Feb 23 10:20:24 you Feb 23 10:21:00 cryptk: it looks like the files are in different places.. (if that's possible??) Feb 23 10:21:02 no, sprint Feb 23 10:21:17 20:47 cryptk: I wanna see one for making a Telcel Palm Pre2+ Feb 23 10:21:28 rwhitby, I thought the Pre2+ would have given away the sarcasm Feb 23 10:21:33 hehe Feb 23 10:21:48 Telcel Pre2+... need a soldering iron for that one... Feb 23 10:22:01 hm there's something wrong here for sure.. Feb 23 10:24:26 laboration_otion, see http://twitter.com/#!/EdCates/status/40332002842509312 Feb 23 10:24:31 rwhitby: how's the current state with profile compatibility on o2 pre- at 2.1.0? Feb 23 10:24:40 looks like meta-doc has been updated since the script was made... Feb 23 10:25:01 oops that was my error :) Feb 23 10:26:10 * ajay says damn, metadoctorin takes some HDD space! ;^) Feb 23 10:27:22 hm, how strange the script ran the metadoctor that it didn't build Feb 23 10:27:49 that makes me trust it (not) :) Feb 23 10:29:06 rwhitby: did I hear you say the only diffs between Pre2 wr/umts and Vz were verizon.tar ? Feb 23 10:30:58 oh he sleepytime .. eh, good idea for me too ;^) Feb 23 10:34:05 anyone?^^ news on 1.4.5 profile reactivation on pre-? Feb 23 10:35:18 heads up, I got Navit running on my Pre Plus w/ webOS 2.1 :D Feb 23 10:37:42 hey rwhitby, sorry to bother you again, I just ran the lates version if the MetaDoctor with EdCates script, and the compilation went great, Once installing into my sprint pre, at 82% it gave me an error: INFO: ROM Verifyer: ./etc/palm-build-info: FAILED Feb 23 10:37:50 noradtux: awwww sweet Feb 23 10:37:55 yep, looking at that Feb 23 10:38:55 mandaman2k, that is normal... (for now) it is because metadoctor doesn't update the md5sum for /etc/palm-build-info. If that is the only error you got, you are fine, and we will get meta-doc fixed Feb 23 10:39:23 ok, perfect, let me check the log again Feb 23 10:39:34 forgot to update the /usr/lib/info/* file Feb 23 10:39:52 cryptk: I updated one, not both. working on it tonight. Feb 23 10:40:07 ahh, gotcha Feb 23 10:40:25 rwhitby: this is the other line, INFO: ROM Verifyer: /usr/sbin/integcheck IPKG VERIFICATION FAILED, CODE 1 but seems to be the same Feb 23 10:40:48 mandaman2k: I know why it happens Feb 23 10:42:29 ok ok, thanks a lot for your help, even do I got that error, my pre should work alright? and can I use my 1.4.5 profile or better create a new one? Feb 23 10:43:17 I said in the thread, always use a test profile. Feb 23 10:43:50 If you have to ask, it means you are not confident, therefore you should test first. A universal principle. Feb 23 10:46:32 well the question is what happens if you try with your main one Feb 23 10:46:38 and it doesnt worl Feb 23 10:46:47 ~s/worl/work Feb 23 10:58:23 ok, using test profile, nice words, like the saying, everyday you learn something new Feb 23 11:00:44 used the script that rod put with meta dr Feb 23 11:00:45 did not work Feb 23 11:00:51 data not restored Feb 23 11:02:42 yep, now you get to debug why Feb 23 11:02:49 as an alpha tester Feb 23 11:03:22 you should capture the output from ls-monitor and /var/log/messages as you log into the profile Feb 23 11:04:04 that would show up on the command line right Feb 23 11:04:42 hey rod was this version also supposed to end the flash in an error? Feb 23 11:04:46 stupid question, how do you delete a test profile? Feb 23 11:04:52 cause that's what happened when I flashed Feb 23 11:04:58 yes, the verification error is still there. I'm working on that now Feb 23 11:05:08 bionicRobot: you cannot delete profiles Feb 23 11:08:26 IDK how to capture the output of that like you said rod more info Feb 23 11:10:02 novaterm in, run "ls-monitor", capture the output Feb 23 11:10:22 in a separate window, novaterm in, run "tail -f /var/log/messages", capture the output Feb 23 11:10:54 search the output for error messages like the ones mentioned in the thread (I assume you've already read the whole thread) Feb 23 11:21:47 hi Feb 23 11:27:13 hi i have a doubt Feb 23 11:27:23 lay out the doubt Feb 23 11:27:24 can i port webos to a new ARM platform Feb 23 11:27:39 not legally Feb 23 11:27:55 so i need to get license from HP ? Feb 23 11:28:07 yes, it is a proprietary operating system Feb 23 11:28:33 you can port the underlying linux operating system and open source userland tools easily. Feb 23 11:28:38 but not the webOS on top. Feb 23 11:29:11 hmm thank you Feb 23 11:29:45 rod, does it need masquerading to use your old 1.4.5 profile on a german pre- with 2.1? Feb 23 11:30:10 got a little confused with the thread at precentral Feb 23 11:30:36 ice8lue: probably, since P100UEU and 2.1 is probably not a valid combination for the profile server Feb 23 11:31:05 you could attempt to masquerade as a Pre+ Feb 23 11:31:24 really? how to do so? Feb 23 11:31:37 is it a test device or your lifeline phone Feb 23 11:31:55 http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/w296gi7v/Selection_024.png found that screenshot which states a umts Pre with 2.1.0 Feb 23 11:32:01 well it's my main phone Feb 23 11:32:17 you probably don't want to be experimenting with it then Feb 23 11:32:39 how far is experimenting going? Feb 23 11:33:02 well, I haven't done it yet :) Feb 23 11:33:09 ^^ Feb 23 11:33:18 well i won't take it apart Feb 23 11:33:26 rwhitby I'm also curious about masking. is it necessary Feb 23 11:33:51 it is necessary for any combination that is deemed invalid by the profile server Feb 23 11:35:13 so the pre- 2.1 doctor is an invalid profile? Feb 23 11:35:52 I do not know. Feb 23 11:36:04 so what would that experiment be? Feb 23 11:36:15 flash it and see if you get a 9.9.9 Feb 23 11:36:23 ah Feb 23 11:36:30 I get 9.9.9 Feb 23 11:36:35 well ok that's what i intended to do^^ Feb 23 11:36:42 on the profile page Feb 23 11:40:15 then you need to masquerade Feb 23 11:42:24 I may get to test some of these combinations on the weekend Feb 23 11:42:40 rwhitby so how do I masquerqde? Feb 23 11:42:54 it's in the thread Feb 23 11:43:34 you will need a palm-build-info from a row 1.4.5 doctor, not a sprint one Feb 23 11:43:40 okay Feb 23 11:43:46 and then? Feb 23 11:44:05 same as for Sprint, but with the right DMSET values Feb 23 11:44:42 once I'm finished the test I'm running now for the md5sums, perhaps I'll take a look at it Feb 23 11:44:59 would be nice =) Feb 23 11:46:02 do i need to create a new doctor or is it possible to edit the one i already built Feb 23 11:46:52 it's always easier to build a new one, since you want it to be repeatable Feb 23 11:48:12 okay so i'll boot to linux right now Feb 23 11:48:17 will be back in one moment Feb 23 11:49:49 mornin everyone :) Feb 23 11:50:04 hey NuttyBunny Feb 23 11:52:43 ok, the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script is now flawless Feb 23 11:53:18 now for the meta-wr-pre-2.1.0 script ... Feb 23 11:58:04 rwhitby, as in the auto script? or just the meta-doc updates? Feb 23 11:58:05 rwhitby: i'm back Feb 23 12:07:04 is he gone? Feb 23 12:07:08 ok, meta-wr-pre-2.1.0 script is done Feb 23 12:07:17 run it and let me know if it works Feb 23 12:07:18 =) Feb 23 12:07:24 git pull Feb 23 12:07:33 yep Feb 23 12:08:22 how to run? Feb 23 12:08:29 it's empty for me though Feb 23 12:09:03 what is empty? Feb 23 12:09:05 Q: If a user already updated to 2.1.0 (Pre Plus) he can not go back to 1.4.5 (same profile), right? Feb 23 12:09:14 the script Feb 23 12:09:30 argh Feb 23 12:09:35 ok forget what i said Feb 23 12:09:50 not according to http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dc1d7b1d4a29e70b7e3a54baba572447a04232a Feb 23 12:10:11 I'd like to be an early alpha tester for Linphone. Where i find it? Feb 23 12:10:26 muecke_pre: what is your device and sip provider? Feb 23 12:10:30 was in the wrong directory, got it working Feb 23 12:10:58 palm pre and sipgate.de Feb 23 12:11:22 muecke_pre: see /msg and report in the thread at precentral Feb 23 12:12:38 rod, is it inteded to download the verizon doctor? Feb 23 12:13:10 thanks Feb 23 12:14:11 ice8lue: hmm - I guess it doesn't need CDMA firmware :) Feb 23 12:14:23 ya Feb 23 12:16:17 try now Feb 23 12:18:36 strange it says 'can't find jar, please install it and contiues to work... Feb 23 12:20:56 hmm - it's meant to exit there Feb 23 12:21:08 hm well... Feb 23 12:21:31 it unzipped a lot of stuff from the 1.4.5 doc and now continues with the 2.1.0 one Feb 23 12:22:39 rm -rf build Feb 23 12:22:39 [: 3: p101ueude: unexpected operator Feb 23 12:22:39 [: 3: 2.1.0: unexpected operator Feb 23 12:22:39 make unpack patch pack Feb 23 12:24:01 ah, /bin/sh must not be dash Feb 23 12:25:57 what is the /bin/dash equivalent of 'if [ "${MODEL}" == "" ] || [ "${VERSION}" == "" ] ; then' ? Feb 23 12:27:27 don't know rod Feb 23 12:27:35 doctor was built successfully Feb 23 12:27:37 my i flash? Feb 23 12:28:06 it's your device, why are you asking me? are you prepared for it to be wiped and destroy your profile ? Feb 23 12:28:42 well, basically it shouldn happen that much^^ Feb 23 12:29:23 if you are not prepared for it, don't do it. simple as that. Feb 23 12:29:32 hm Feb 23 12:29:34 will try Feb 23 12:30:12 i have a testing profile, will use that Feb 23 12:32:05 what does it masquerade now? device or version? Feb 23 12:32:49 palm-build-info Feb 23 12:33:12 you should not run anything that you don't understand what it is doing Feb 23 12:34:20 well i just didnt know Feb 23 12:34:33 30%so far, log looks good Feb 23 12:35:14 one good thing about these scripts is that now people see the logs Feb 23 12:35:50 ya Feb 23 12:35:57 interesting to see what it does^ Feb 23 12:39:50 64% Feb 23 12:40:06 trying to reconnect to the modem Feb 23 12:41:18 ok worked, installing lots of packages Feb 23 12:44:00 done, let's see Feb 23 12:47:58 can login into my testing profile, data is being restored Feb 23 12:49:36 and my profile is 1.4.5 on palm.com/profile, yay Feb 23 12:50:12 now you should test flashing with just REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK=1 to see if you get 2.1.0 on your profile Feb 23 12:50:26 since others are reporting that's what they get Feb 23 12:55:01 hmm think i will keep that doctor for later^^ Feb 23 12:55:13 doesnt this update wipe the usb partition anymore? Feb 23 13:01:27 also see a lot of paid apps in the catalog Feb 23 13:03:23 ice8lue, always plan that a doctor will wipe USB... then be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't Feb 23 13:05:29 exactly Feb 23 13:09:05 ya^^ but the beta one did clean it =) Feb 23 13:09:33 as you'd expect from an early access beta version Feb 23 13:09:42 yap Feb 23 13:09:59 just thought it would stay that way because of repartitioning and so on Feb 23 13:10:18 ok, so build a doc with just remove carrier check now? Feb 23 13:10:45 yep Feb 23 13:13:38 nah, model check, not carrier Feb 23 13:14:00 right Feb 23 13:14:49 * cryptk is stockpiling IPv4 in his closet for resale after the market spike... Feb 23 13:16:14 ok doctor is building, will be right back in a few minutes to try it Feb 23 13:17:10 man... the rate of @webosinternals mentions has really spiked! Feb 23 13:17:20 and not jsut about all the new meta-doc trickery Feb 23 13:17:30 there was just a mention about Govnah exhibition mode Feb 23 13:20:09 you think it was intentional? HP sends you guys a new server just as traffic picks up. Coincidence? Feb 23 13:21:00 bionicRobot: we asked for the server on 10th Jan. We got the decision on 21 Jan. The server has not yet been delivered. Feb 23 13:21:28 ahh Feb 23 13:22:04 I guess donations take longer than regular sales. Feb 23 13:22:38 the guys upstairs from me with the datacenter get a delivery from HP daily Feb 23 13:32:16 * cryptk just figured out why his touchstone has been flaky since the sprintifying Feb 23 13:32:22 and it has been resolved Feb 23 13:32:51 note to all, when doing a marathon of comm swaps on the same device, take extra care with the little metal shield that go's over the GPS antenna connectors Feb 23 13:33:08 it has a tiny little tab on the side next to the touchstone spring loaded connectors Feb 23 13:33:34 if that tab gets bent a little, it will hold the touchstone back away from those connectors, making the connection flaky Feb 23 13:33:46 I bent it back how it should be, TS works like a champ Feb 23 13:46:48 I'm trying to use the sprint pre- script and it keeps saying "Cannot find jar. Please install it." Feb 23 13:52:28 idw2k: fixed Feb 23 13:52:59 woot Feb 23 13:58:22 someone just asked me how can you keep people from downloading images from a webpage Feb 23 14:02:27 rwhitby: so, will try the remove_model_check only doc now Feb 23 14:02:48 * rwhitby bbt - time for sleep Feb 23 14:14:03 well now that I"m awake and rod is sleeping... anyone else in here able to answer questions about profile masquerading? Feb 23 14:17:42 Can someone be so kind to help me with metadoctor? :3 Feb 23 14:18:34 sure Feb 23 14:18:37 what kind of help Feb 23 14:19:15 http://pastebin.com/JznZ1vcP Feb 23 14:19:24 RagingMind works, we had a doctor ready Feb 23 14:19:35 Any clues what I'm doing wrong? I assume I named the file wrong or something Feb 23 14:19:36 shows as 1.4.5 on palm.com Feb 23 14:19:53 I saw that, more of a what's-happening question Feb 23 14:20:12 of the 3 things. Carrier, OS version, device... what's being masked? Feb 23 14:20:14 Rod made a script using the same technics as on the sprint pre 2 Feb 23 14:20:20 os version Feb 23 14:20:39 he talked about device masking but it's not done yet Feb 23 14:21:17 Boopop: wrong doctor Feb 23 14:21:28 what, wrong file nebula ? Feb 23 14:21:34 running the meta script will produce a making doctor Feb 23 14:21:35 yep Feb 23 14:21:44 cause there's not a *huge* difference between a pre and pre2 from the perspective of an executable from what I understand Feb 23 14:21:48 need to use the wr doctor, you're probably using some other doctor Feb 23 14:22:01 well ya Feb 23 14:22:05 so a pre+ pretending to be a pre2 shouldn't cause too many strange issues Feb 23 14:22:19 no it was the wr one...it said I'd named it wrong so I tried renaming it to what the output suggested Feb 23 14:22:23 which gave me that error Feb 23 14:22:34 I'm redownloading it, I'll try again with that without renaming it Feb 23 14:22:49 just put -version.number.here at the end Feb 23 14:23:00 looks like the wrong file though Feb 23 14:23:34 hm welll but what for @RagingMind Feb 23 14:23:59 app catalog access for apps that require 2.0+ Feb 23 14:24:18 shouldn't pre+ get that now as is? Feb 23 14:24:48 if I can mask my Verizon Pre+ with 2.1 (when I eventually update my pre) as a Verizon Pre+ with 2.0.1 Feb 23 14:24:59 *pre2 Feb 23 14:25:00 oops Feb 23 14:25:18 hm Feb 23 14:25:57 as long as Vzw never thinks I have a Pre2... /me hugs his free mobile hot spot Feb 23 14:26:43 ;) Feb 23 14:27:28 yay, got it Feb 23 14:27:45 o2 pre- officially seen as 2.1.0 Feb 23 14:28:14 ice8lue, took 2 doctors? Feb 23 14:28:23 hm well yes Feb 23 14:28:37 1st one was trying the masquerade Feb 23 14:28:49 second one was just the REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK one Feb 23 14:29:36 so how do you masquerade? just pull the palm-info file from one doctor and put it into the created one? Feb 23 14:29:45 ah, so they don't really care if O2 pre- peeps update to 2.1? Feb 23 14:29:53 bionicRobot therefore, just use the meta scripts Feb 23 14:30:03 RagingMind seems like that, ya Feb 23 14:30:35 ice8lue the meta-doctor does the masking now? Feb 23 14:30:48 the script does, ya Feb 23 14:30:56 great Feb 23 14:31:11 what do u want to build up? Feb 23 14:32:41 Damn, I miss stacks :S Feb 23 14:32:51 sprint palm pre- Feb 23 14:33:00 why don't u use it anymore NuttyBunny? Feb 23 14:33:39 bionicRobot: run sh ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Feb 23 14:33:45 it will do anything needed Feb 23 14:33:50 I have a 9.9.9 problem, my Pre Plus, doctored with the official 1.4.5 (AT&T) is creating 9.9.9 version profiles :S Feb 23 14:34:04 oh... Feb 23 14:34:39 So, I'm now on 1.4.5, and in about an hour I'll try to find and reflash with 1.4.2 to see if that helps :S Feb 23 14:34:44 it's an at&t pre+? Feb 23 14:35:00 Yeap, Plus Feb 23 14:35:05 if I just include the verizion.tar file, will the doctor see it and install all the verizon apps? or because it's not a verizion doc, it'd just skip it? Feb 23 14:35:44 ug... I keep getting gateway time out while trying to load new pages on the precentral thread Feb 23 14:36:31 RagingMind: Try the mobile version, m.forums.precentral.net Feb 23 14:36:38 OK so I redownloaded the 2.1.0 doctor from O2 Germany using the link on the internals wiki Feb 23 14:36:48 still get Error 2 saying it's the wrong version =/ Feb 23 14:37:17 nargh, tried login to my main profile and it can't login =( Feb 23 14:37:46 Oo but says 2.1.0 online Feb 23 14:38:08 I also made the mistake of logging to my main, I killed it :( Feb 23 14:38:23 ya but i dont get the 9.9.9 error Feb 23 14:38:47 How did you do that? Feb 23 14:38:49 I think I should give up Feb 23 14:38:52 I'm getting nowhere! Feb 23 14:38:57 >.< Feb 23 14:39:17 Boopop What doctor are you using? on what device? Feb 23 14:39:25 webosdoctorp101ueude-wr.jar Feb 23 14:39:27 on a Pre 0 Feb 23 14:39:29 Pre -* Feb 23 14:39:47 NuttyBunny: Well i basically just logged in with my former 1.4.5 profile Feb 23 14:39:49 the O2-Germany PrePlus 2.1.0 doctor Feb 23 14:40:03 That one won't install on a Pre- unmodified Feb 23 14:40:24 Boopop you need to use meta doctor to remove the device and carrier checks Feb 23 14:40:32 That's what I've been doing > http://pastebin.com/JznZ1vcP Feb 23 14:40:47 ice8lue: But what device do you have? Feb 23 14:40:58 O2 Pre- Feb 23 14:41:02 german one Feb 23 14:41:50 NuttyBunny: And if I rename the doctor file to "webosdoctor-wr-.jar" I get Error 2 again but a bit further down the line Feb 23 14:42:25 did that updated doctor ever get released? was there a big difference? Feb 23 14:42:36 Think I'll take this mishap as a hint Feb 23 14:42:50 only got 50 minutes or so before I have to go out anyway Feb 23 14:42:52 RagingMind: No, they fixed things serverside Feb 23 14:42:53 not enough time I guess Feb 23 14:43:17 Anyone got any idea what I was doing wrong however? xD Feb 23 14:43:34 Boopop: webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar I think this is the nae you should use and put the file under downloads Feb 23 14:43:45 s/nae/name/ Feb 23 14:43:46 NuttyBunny meant: Boopop: webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar I think this is the name you should use and put the file under downloads Feb 23 14:44:33 Same error :( Feb 23 14:44:55 but... have you redownloaded your doctor file? what size is it? Feb 23 14:45:10 File is 186.1mb big Feb 23 14:45:24 Now named as "webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar" Feb 23 14:46:00 seems about right... :S Can you uncompress it properly? (rename to .zip and unzip it) Feb 23 14:46:30 damnit...logging in to the test profile is working fine Feb 23 14:46:41 (which was 1.4.5 serverside) Feb 23 14:46:43 looks like it NuttyBunny Feb 23 14:46:55 Think I'm cursed xD Feb 23 14:46:59 logging in to my main one (also 1.4.5, now 2.1) doesnt work Feb 23 14:47:08 data cant be restored...bla Feb 23 14:47:14 You're putting me off doing at all ice8lue XD Feb 23 14:47:18 Hope you manage to fix it :3 Feb 23 14:47:24 me too Feb 23 14:47:27 doing it* Feb 23 14:47:44 I've only got two paid apps Feb 23 14:47:44 would be a loss of quite some money on apps Feb 23 14:47:46 I think Feb 23 14:47:57 > £5 in total value I think Feb 23 14:48:00 Boopop: mmm... it's weird, you don't have a version there... when did you download meta doctor? Feb 23 14:48:17 last night I think it was NuttyBunny Feb 23 14:48:37 redownload that too? Feb 23 14:49:09 I was looking at the backup app on my pre and it said "your data is backed up every day" and it also said the last backup was 1st of September 2010 Feb 23 14:49:10 yep, backup the jar file, delete the meta doctor folder and run git again to pull it off Feb 23 14:49:11 was amusing xD Feb 23 14:49:23 hehehe Feb 23 14:49:25 I'll give that a shot, thanks :) Feb 23 14:50:04 sure, hope it works Feb 23 14:50:18 It's nice having a vers of Ubuntu installed just in case =D Feb 23 14:50:18 no Feb 23 14:50:24 stop Feb 23 14:50:26 :) Feb 23 14:50:29 Boopop... Feb 23 14:50:30 too late! lol Feb 23 14:50:32 already deleted Feb 23 14:50:34 xD Feb 23 14:50:38 ok, neverind Feb 23 14:50:52 the command is DEVICE not Device Feb 23 14:51:00 You see I saw that Feb 23 14:51:06 but assumed it didn't make a difference Feb 23 14:51:07 in linux most things are case sensitive Feb 23 14:51:10 did I assume wrong? xD Feb 23 14:51:13 Ah, of course Feb 23 14:51:14 yep Feb 23 14:51:51 yo Feb 23 14:51:58 redownload meta doctor, create the downloads folder, put the jar there and run the command, it should work Feb 23 14:52:04 Yeah Feb 23 14:52:27 Given ice8lue's experience doing this I think I'll just create the new file and leave it at that Feb 23 14:52:38 ice8lue: Where's your pre from? Feb 23 14:52:51 o2 germany Feb 23 14:52:55 Hmmm Feb 23 14:53:02 Mine's a O2 UK phone Feb 23 14:53:08 well i think as long as you're not using your main profile it should work Feb 23 14:53:15 NuttyBunny: how is your 1.4.5 quest aka masquarade aka your palm profile coming along Feb 23 14:53:19 I've seen a couple of people from the UK saying they've used their main profile with no problem Feb 23 14:53:27 hence my decision to do it Feb 23 14:53:31 although, i dont understand where's the difference Feb 23 14:54:14 joebpre: Not very good, I used the original AT&T 1.4.5 doctor and now my Pre+ just creates 9.9.9 profiles :S Feb 23 14:54:45 O_o Feb 23 14:54:59 I'm about to download 1.4.2 for my Plus and try to reset my profile(s) Feb 23 14:55:10 ice8lue: Yeah you'd think there wouldn't be...I mean I assume Germany uses GSM right? Feb 23 14:55:36 Should be the same hardware...maybe the server you're connecting to is different to the one I'd be connecting to? Feb 23 14:55:40 Wish I could say :3 Feb 23 14:56:02 well...i dont know... Feb 23 14:56:05 nargh =( Feb 23 14:56:12 is no-one actually testing webos 2.x patches right now? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2.0_Patch_Status_Project Feb 23 14:56:13 So tempted to do it Feb 23 14:56:14 xD Feb 23 14:56:25 NuttyBunny: worked, thanks :) Feb 23 14:56:58 Would I be able to/where should I create a thread on PreCentral specifically for Pre - UK users getting 2.1.0 working on their phone? Feb 23 14:58:04 Boopop: there are many threads Feb 23 14:58:19 What sub-forum? Feb 23 14:58:45 try #webos-internals Feb 23 14:58:57 not with the # Feb 23 15:00:01 just keep looking Feb 23 15:00:44 NuttyBunny, from what I've seen in the forums of people with 9.9.9 profiles magically changing to 1.4.5 or 2.1.0 I have a feeling that someone at HPalm is going through and fixing them as they catch them Feb 23 15:01:57 aaand.. we're back! Feb 23 15:02:02 stupid Telcel Feb 23 15:02:44 "RagingMind> NuttyBunny, from what I've seen in the forums of people with 9.9.9 profiles magically changing to 1.4.5 or 2.1.0 I have a feeling that someone at HPalm is going through and fixing them as they catch them" Feb 23 15:02:52 got your back ;) Feb 23 15:02:53 xD Feb 23 15:03:04 heh Feb 23 15:03:31 mmm... maybe, I'll look into it :) Feb 23 15:04:46 in other words you'll wait to see if the magic happens on one of your test profiles? Feb 23 15:04:51 I'm all for magic :) Feb 23 15:05:04 * ice8lue prays for his main profile becoming usable Feb 23 15:05:23 How much you think you've spent ice8lue ? Feb 23 15:05:27 On the normal profile Feb 23 15:05:46 mhh Feb 23 15:05:53 too much at least Feb 23 15:05:57 XD Feb 23 15:06:01 maybe about 25 bucks? Feb 23 15:06:12 bucks? Feb 23 15:06:21 I'm english, you're German Feb 23 15:06:24 You can tell me in Euros Feb 23 15:06:26 :P Feb 23 15:06:38 25^ Feb 23 15:06:52 lol Feb 23 15:06:57 ah xD Feb 23 15:07:41 so I"m curious... how's LTE/other 4G looking across the pond? Feb 23 15:07:41 Always depresses me a bit how on the forum there's about 1 post from a European palm user for every 10 or so US users Feb 23 15:07:52 sick of hearing about sprint and verizon xD Feb 23 15:08:02 I love my Verizon :) Feb 23 15:08:02 Umm...I don't think they're rolling it out here in ther UK Feb 23 15:08:05 the* Feb 23 15:08:13 haven't heard anything about it at least anyway Feb 23 15:08:32 I'm happy with 3G Feb 23 15:09:00 I like how with LTE *everything* is data... none of this silly special sms or voice channel nonsense Feb 23 15:09:12 Oh? Didn't know that Feb 23 15:09:17 yes that does seem like a good idea Feb 23 15:09:24 though I imaging the carriers will still charge per SMS somehow :( Feb 23 15:09:27 Depending on how they manage it Feb 23 15:09:40 I wouldn't like my calltime/sms messages encroaching on my data allowannce! Feb 23 15:10:04 allowance* >.> Feb 23 15:10:27 Anyone else seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12554499 Feb 23 15:10:27 http://xkcd.com/ Feb 23 15:10:42 ^ seems close enough to on topic Feb 23 15:11:02 Yeah I'd say so! XD Feb 23 15:17:32 rod, get awake, i need you^^ Feb 23 15:19:19 NuttyBunny, you missed my http://xkcd.com/ link Feb 23 15:20:22 ice8lue, he just went to bed a bit ago, you can have a LoTR marathon while waiting for rod to wake up again ;) Feb 23 15:20:37 i know =( Feb 23 15:20:54 just hope my profile can be restored Feb 23 15:22:14 but in theory: my testing one was 1.4.5 with basically not much data on it Feb 23 15:22:26 (about 5 apps, 2 contacts) Feb 23 15:22:46 the other one is bigger, all my contacts, lot of apps... Feb 23 15:23:02 could it be that transforming it to 2.x just takes longer there? Feb 23 15:23:08 so it wouldnt let me in? Feb 23 15:24:30 does anyone know why i still show 1.4.5 even after changing my palm-build-info Feb 23 15:24:32 Again, wish i could tell you :3 Feb 23 15:36:58 * RagingMind is playing catchup with the forum... Feb 23 15:38:31 in the time it took me to read 5 pages of the form 2 more have been added :( Feb 23 15:38:35 Ok, that's it, no more relying on Telcel's network for today! :@ Feb 23 15:38:56 0 Feb 23 15:38:58 one question, if i turn off backup, all my contacts will be deleted right? Feb 23 15:39:10 s/0/0_o Feb 23 15:39:27 ice8lue: If you store your contacts in your Palm profile, yes Feb 23 15:39:38 if you sync to google or exchange or some other, no Feb 23 15:40:01 is there a way to move the palm contacts to google? Feb 23 15:41:15 im courious about this palm-build-info .. i keep seeing people having luck like lethal and them Feb 23 15:44:03 ice8lue: I think I read somewhere of a method, but right now I can't remember where Feb 23 15:44:47 hmm... then I"m fucked. I only have palm and yahoo, and webos 1.4.5 won't write to yahoo contacts, just read them :( Feb 23 15:45:47 mmm... http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/249018-patch-send-all-contacts-via-email.html .. there Feb 23 15:45:52 I knew there was a way Feb 23 15:50:27 ok let's see if i can doctor back to 1.4.5 and login =/ thx NuttyBunny Feb 23 15:51:19 in the meantime I'll doctor to 1.4.2 also and see if I can reset the profile version :) Feb 23 15:54:52 just download Leathal's doctor, examine it, and build an identical one for your handset Feb 23 15:54:54 stop guessing :) Feb 23 15:55:16 I have a US Sprint Pre- and everything worked flawlessly once I read all the posts in the thread Feb 23 16:00:48 including the pre installed spring apps? Feb 23 16:01:12 Ok, anyone knows how to use the INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES option on meta doctor? :) Feb 23 16:01:25 RagingMind: No. I don't care about the Sports app or whatever else they shipped with it. Feb 23 16:02:00 Fairly sure if I did I could just install them from IPKs I have lying around. Feb 23 16:02:24 hmm... once vzw pre2 gets updated to 2.1 and there's a doctor, I wonder if I could use that to get skype? :D Feb 23 16:03:01 I'm thinking skype and vznavigator (just in case my gps is still locked down, I've heard mixed reports) Feb 23 16:16:13 RagingMind: Skype is skype mobile, it's a service that routes your skype calls through Verizon, I guess you have to pay something to them to use it :S Feb 23 16:18:20 boo Feb 23 16:19:34 yep, you can't even get skype messaging because it checks your phone number Feb 23 16:20:50 Ok, booting 1.4.2... Feb 23 16:27:57 update on my problem: main profile can be loaded flawlessly on 1.4.5 Feb 23 16:30:31 almost done with reading forums... ug Feb 23 16:31:24 ice8lue: YES! Excellent!! :D 1.4.2 and now I have paid apps... so happy! :D Feb 23 16:31:39 NuttyBunny: Yay. congrats =) Feb 23 16:31:55 thinking about staying on 1.4.5 for one mor day^ Feb 23 16:34:51 Once and if I manage to restore my profiles to 1.4.2, and then to 1.4.5, I'll go through the masquerading w/palm-build-info route :D Feb 23 16:37:16 preserving main profile: serious business Feb 23 16:37:32 hmm will try the masked doctor again Feb 23 16:39:38 srsbsns Feb 23 16:47:31 NuttyBunny: why not go 2.1.0 and masquerade 1.4.2 there instead? Feb 23 16:47:52 destinal: if that will work, it's fine for me Feb 23 16:56:21 hm masked doctor also doesn't let me login Feb 23 16:56:39 think i will move all my contacts to google, deactivate backup, should work Feb 23 16:56:45 hopefully will Feb 23 16:57:04 * Josef_B loves google backup Feb 23 16:57:07 err.. Feb 23 16:57:11 google sync Feb 23 16:57:14 welll, it did for most ppl Feb 23 16:57:30 it's just annoying that you cant move your contacts directly Feb 23 16:57:35 Leathal since the chan is quiet .. what where you on about yesterday abou the palm-build-info ? im curious about it Feb 23 16:57:41 also preferences-assistant.js in the 2.1 com.palm.app.browser has a number of lines dealing with flash commented out Feb 23 16:57:49 im uncommenting them and seeing what happens Feb 23 16:58:01 Leathal is this all in the metadoctor ? Feb 23 16:58:10 palm-build-info? im trying to get it to let me buy new apps in 2.1 Feb 23 16:58:16 yeah josef Feb 23 16:58:34 So what exactly would be the risks if I tried 2.1 on my VZW Pre+? Feb 23 16:58:41 oh hey Feb 23 16:58:45 Enable Flash Content Feb 23 16:58:47 excellent Feb 23 16:58:50 lets see if it worked Feb 23 16:59:16 Leathal so your basically going thru the meta doctor .. looking for stuff that is interesting / uncommeting it and seeing if it works ? Feb 23 17:00:11 no dice, hmm Feb 23 17:00:39 well im trying to get flash working without resorting to shady files Feb 23 17:00:48 in keeping with the whole webos-internals ethos code Feb 23 17:01:38 huh Feb 23 17:01:44 there is uber kernel for 2.1 Feb 23 17:01:46 0_o Feb 23 17:02:12 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/242728-webos-internals-uber-kernel-99.html#post2882389 Feb 23 17:03:48 Hey chuqui :) Feb 23 17:04:04 NuttyBunny: hey, howdy! Feb 23 17:04:21 everybody in trouble now ? Feb 23 17:04:23 :P Feb 23 17:05:28 Josef_B: It says that they need the source code for the Kernel of 2.1 :) *hint* *hint* //chuqui hehehe Feb 23 17:05:58 I know. of course, I don't do that part. but I've pinged those that do. Feb 23 17:06:11 :D Feb 23 17:06:25 wierd i saw a thread Feb 23 17:06:55 if(modelStr==="P101"|| modelStr==="P100") { //do nothing flash preferences need to be hidden. If only it were as easy as changing this line :p Feb 23 17:09:43 Leathal .. there are no patches at this time correct for anyone with pre2 aka webos 2x and higher correct ? Feb 23 17:09:56 period! ? Feb 23 17:10:20 no idea, im still trying to get a completely stable metadoctor built at this point Feb 23 17:10:27 i havent even restored all my app catalog apps yet Feb 23 17:10:42 there are patches Feb 23 17:10:51 just going to submit another one :) Feb 23 17:12:21 rwhitby is still asleep? Feb 23 17:12:38 someone who cares about the patch portal? Feb 23 17:13:28 yea Feb 23 17:13:32 patch portal is not updated Feb 23 17:13:46 ok Feb 23 17:13:47 MetaView where are the patches ? Feb 23 17:15:48 is anyone having problems trying to get metadoctor? Feb 23 17:15:54 nope Feb 23 17:16:17 hi, anyone using exchange active sync with webos 2.1? when I sync to my zarafa server I had ~210 contacts yesterday, after removing and readding the account I have 300 contacts, everything according to the information in the contacts app. In reality its only 110 contacts. Feb 23 17:16:42 I keep getting this: Feb 23 17:16:43 #webos-internals Feb 23 17:16:48 ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Downloads$ git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Initialized empty Git repository in /home/ubuntu/Downloads/meta-doctor/.git/ git.webos-internals.org[0: 140.211.169.177]: errno=Connection refused fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) Feb 23 17:18:21 I'm not sure if it's a port being blocked or what... Feb 23 17:18:22 Preware shows 1 patch Feb 23 17:18:42 m0ngr31: download manually and move to the correct folder? Feb 23 17:18:58 how would i download manually? Feb 23 17:19:31 m0ngr31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Feb 23 17:21:02 bsm___: I use exchange Feb 23 17:21:04 the only thing i'm seeing in there is how to use git to clone it Feb 23 17:21:26 http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=550 Feb 23 17:21:31 contains the direct link Feb 23 17:21:38 and some how-to in German Feb 23 17:21:41 bsm___, I use it with Notes Traveler, it works fine Feb 23 17:22:05 MetaView: does that have the new scripts for 2.1? Feb 23 17:22:20 you don't need new scripts Feb 23 17:22:31 at least the doctor installs fine Feb 23 17:22:33 MetaView: does it work flawlessly? Feb 23 17:22:46 MetaView: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-21.html#post2882179 Feb 23 17:22:54 I can't access my profile, maybe is related, but I didn't heard about Feb 23 17:23:17 I have a GSM device Feb 23 17:23:26 I'm not on Sprint Feb 23 17:24:01 MetaView: i am though, that's why i need the script lol Feb 23 17:25:07 has anyone tried to run uberkernel on 2.1.0? Feb 23 17:25:27 noradtux: it won't work Feb 23 17:26:32 m0ngr31: so we have to wait for the source from palm .. crap Feb 23 17:27:58 noradtux: yeah, hopefully it won't take too long though Feb 23 17:28:49 500MHz is soooo sluggish ;) Feb 23 17:29:02 ack Feb 23 17:30:17 can someone git clone metadoctor, gzip the directory, and then send it to me? Feb 23 17:30:49 .. Feb 23 17:30:51 m0ngr31 is easy Feb 23 17:31:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Feb 23 17:31:37 Josef_B: git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Initialized empty Git repository in /home/ubuntu/Downloads/meta-doctor/.git/ git.webos-internals.org[0: 140.211.169.177]: errno=Connection refused fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) Feb 23 17:33:41 Josef_B: for some reason, it won't download. I don't know if the port is blocked or something. that's why i need someone to download it for me lol Feb 23 17:33:46 oh Feb 23 17:33:47 i see Feb 23 17:34:21 so you did Feb 23 17:34:32 sudo apt-get install git-core then git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Feb 23 17:35:08 Josef_B, he'd have to or he would have a different error (command not found) Feb 23 17:35:26 true Feb 23 17:35:27 m0ngr31: the web interface will give you a snapshot if you ask. http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=snapshot;h=HEAD;sf=tgz Feb 23 17:35:31 Josef_B: yeah, i did all that Feb 23 17:35:31 is it still git-core in ubuntu? it's just git in debian now Feb 23 17:35:54 RagingMind im running ubuntu on my machine that i created my medatdoctor Feb 23 17:35:58 all command where flawless Feb 23 17:36:25 i actually craated a folder on my desktop called palm_pre and cd'ed into it and did all my commands Feb 23 17:36:33 well git-core just points to git now in debian Feb 23 17:36:49 so the command would still work, but the git-core package is probably unnecessary Feb 23 17:36:58 destinal: thanks! i'll try that Feb 23 17:39:15 I just tested the git server... checks out fine... gotta be something on your end... Feb 23 17:39:23 yea Feb 23 17:39:28 i will try rightn ow Feb 23 17:39:37 s/n ow/now Feb 23 17:39:49 cryptk: you have app purchasing working for you in 2.1 now, correct? Feb 23 17:39:53 was it ever NOT working? Feb 23 17:40:10 Leathal, it was working before and after replacing palm-build-info Feb 23 17:40:26 both before and after, I was limited to non 2.0 min version apps Feb 23 17:40:37 worked Feb 23 17:40:38 ok so my problem appears to be unrelated to palm-build-info Feb 23 17:40:43 hrrm Feb 23 17:40:50 we replaced the palm-build-info file because without doing that programs on the phone also thought I was running 1.4.5 Feb 23 17:40:55 that caused all kinds of nastiness... Feb 23 17:40:57 okay, that makes sense Feb 23 17:41:11 like preware offering me patches and kernels for 1.4.5 when I am really on 2.0.1 Feb 23 17:41:18 ls Feb 23 17:41:20 the 2.1 app catalog accuses me of having a fraudulent credit card now :V Feb 23 17:41:22 meta-doctor Feb 23 17:41:28 imagine installing patches/kernels for 1.4.5 onto a 2.0.1 device... recipe for bad... Feb 23 17:41:33 yeah no kidding Feb 23 17:42:24 off the wall question .. there a good remote tools / so i can vpn / connect to my linux box ? Feb 23 17:42:54 speaking of patches, there's a good deal of code i need to comment out and uncomment regarding flash support for pre's Feb 23 17:43:01 * Josef_B is asking in linux chans Feb 23 17:43:28 but if i get this working we need to redistribute libflashplayer.so from the pre2 doctors, so thats a no go unless someone builds their own meta-doc im guessing Feb 23 17:46:23 do I click next? Feb 23 17:46:53 i think my problem with not being able to sign into my profile from 2.1 but being able to on 1.4.5 is connected to the contacts Feb 23 17:47:14 they often say deactivate backup before doing 2.1 Feb 23 17:47:22 over at precentral Feb 23 17:47:36 is there any way to directly move all contacts to google? Feb 23 17:48:17 it suddendly worked for me Feb 23 17:48:24 hm well Feb 23 17:48:31 i was trying for 2h now... Feb 23 17:49:19 ice8lue, what version of webOS are you on? Feb 23 17:49:54 1.4.5 atm Feb 23 17:50:06 there isn't a "direct" way, but there is an "easy" way Feb 23 17:50:18 there is a patch to allow you to email your contacts in vcf format Feb 23 17:50:22 email it to yourself Feb 23 17:50:31 then import that file into your google contacts on their website Feb 23 17:50:39 * cryptk did it... worked a treat Feb 23 17:50:58 on 2.X there is an even easier way (you can skip the patch) Feb 23 17:51:24 well but i cant login to 2.x with that profile Feb 23 17:51:42 yeah, I was just mentioning it Feb 23 17:51:59 but on 1.4.5, install the patch, email yourself the contacts, import into google Feb 23 17:52:02 ok so, dev mode, quick install? should work Feb 23 17:52:15 then make a new profile for 2.X and add your google account Feb 23 17:52:30 dear god... why must people demand on using QI to install patches... Feb 23 17:52:31 new profile? Feb 23 17:52:34 it is in preware Feb 23 17:52:42 ice8lue, I was speacking hypothetically there Feb 23 17:52:56 we need a oss desktop ipkg installer Feb 23 17:53:00 ya but installing preware just to install that patch is a little too much^ Feb 23 17:53:07 I don't know your exact end goals or situation, I kinda came in right at the "how to get contacts into google" Feb 23 17:53:20 ice8lue, I have meta doc install it for me, lol Feb 23 17:53:32 well, i wanna log into my main profile (1.4.5 one) Feb 23 17:53:47 and enable my testing feeds... and enable dev mode... and... and... and Feb 23 17:53:52 it is versioned right as 2.1.0 when i try but doesnt let me in though Feb 23 17:54:01 ice8lue, who is your carrier? Feb 23 17:54:07 vodafone de Feb 23 17:54:13 but my test profile works Feb 23 17:54:17 also 1.4.5 one Feb 23 17:54:20 is 2.1.0 available on vodafone de? Feb 23 17:54:42 meta doc version Feb 23 17:54:51 but it is, yes, for pre+ Feb 23 17:55:23 ok, so 2.1.0 is avail on voda de for Pre+ officially? Feb 23 17:55:34 ya Feb 23 17:55:34 * cryptk is a little behind, been busy prepping for scale Feb 23 17:55:50 hrm... when you did your meta-doc what all did you change? Feb 23 17:56:14 did it about 2hrs ago Feb 23 17:56:25 i just used remove model check Feb 23 17:57:45 ice8lue, what phone do you have? a Pre-? Feb 23 17:58:13 ya, o2 pre- Feb 23 17:58:50 infobot: test Feb 23 17:58:53 Failed! Feb 23 17:58:58 pff... at last, I have all my profiles fixed, now it's time to play with palm-build-info :D Feb 23 17:59:03 lulz Feb 23 17:59:06 ice8lue, you will probably need to masquerade your device model to get it to work Feb 23 17:59:17 nope Feb 23 17:59:22 since what you have would be a p100ueu Feb 23 17:59:30 my testing profile works fine =) Feb 23 17:59:31 which doesn't exist on voda Feb 23 17:59:42 i also dont get the 9.9.9 error on my main one Feb 23 17:59:48 was the testing profile made before or after? Feb 23 17:59:57 before or after the meta-doc? Feb 23 17:59:57 made under 1.4.5 Feb 23 18:00:02 hrm... odd Feb 23 18:00:03 before Feb 23 18:00:11 not sure on that one... Feb 23 18:00:21 have to wait for the doctor king to wake up... Feb 23 18:00:52 ya^^ Feb 23 18:01:42 to be completely honest, when Rod and I made my Pre2 (the one that started all this buzz), he was SSH'd into my desktop making the docs... I was busy comm swapping back and forth to fix the comm board when they didn't work Feb 23 18:01:49 until we finally hit on a combo that did Feb 23 18:02:55 it was a multi-hour comm swap, meta-doctor marathon... we knew we would hit the magic combo eventually (if it existed) Feb 23 18:03:21 so as far as the Doctor magic that makes it all work, my knowledge is a little lacking... but damn I can swap a comm board really fast now Feb 23 18:03:53 ;) Feb 23 18:04:02 Leathal: why would you have to redistribute the flash files? just get them from the pre2 doctor and install them on your pre Feb 23 18:05:20 yeah, if you ever have the option of giving instructions on how to get it from an official Doc from an official source, or distribute it yourself... always go with that first option... Feb 23 18:05:28 it avoids a TON of legal problems Feb 23 18:05:36 hence the meta-doctor... Feb 23 18:06:39 wow... the contact view in evolution sucks Feb 23 18:06:56 cryptk: I think at some point it would be useful to make a tool that's easy to use and lets you browse the ipkg packages installed on a doctor's rootfs and export them as ipk files. if someone can use that themselves for things rather than copying the ipk's around in violation of copyright law anyway :) Feb 23 18:07:19 destinal, we have that... Feb 23 18:07:24 meta-doctor... Feb 23 18:07:27 make unpack Feb 23 18:07:29 lol Feb 23 18:07:41 cryptk: you're not getting what I mean I think Feb 23 18:07:44 then just extract the archive with them in it Feb 23 18:08:11 on the rootfs there are many ipk's already installed Feb 23 18:08:17 you mean reassemble ipk's from the rootfs itself? Feb 23 18:08:21 right Feb 23 18:08:31 that would require package meta-data etc... which doesn't exist in the doctor Feb 23 18:08:36 yes it does Feb 23 18:08:40 in the rootfs Feb 23 18:09:18 I've actually written a script that makes working ipk files out of the rootfs but I've been thinking of making something that's easier to use Feb 23 18:09:41 the meta-data is there? Feb 23 18:09:59 ipkg copies all the metadata files in the control.tar.gz into the ipkg lib directory Feb 23 18:10:10 last I checked it wasn't... but I may have been looking in the wrong spot Feb 23 18:10:17 yeah, probably you were Feb 23 18:10:38 woot... here we go Feb 23 18:10:39 yeah, shouldn't be too hard to whip up even just a bash script Feb 23 18:10:43 something like winetricks Feb 23 18:10:58 I made a bash script but it could use some work Feb 23 18:11:12 and I forget where I put it :) Feb 23 18:11:57 I've used a similar tool on my debian system before Feb 23 18:12:13 to get back packages for things I had installed where I couldn't find the package anymore Feb 23 18:12:31 I could make a bash script that would use the meta-doc scripts to unpack a doctor, then find the ipkg's and make a GUI list... you check the boxes for what you want, point it at a folder... it rips out what is needed and re-assembles the ipk's and drops them in there Feb 23 18:14:18 cryptk: that would definitely help people with things like getting flash working on the new 2.1.0 easily Feb 23 18:14:47 has anyone gotten flash working yet? Feb 23 18:14:57 Leathal: yeah, I guess someone said so on the thread Feb 23 18:15:06 hmm Feb 23 18:15:18 destinal, I will help ya out with it... but it will have to wait until after SCALE Feb 23 18:16:03 wow! I went to bed with visions of a vz pre+ script, and so it is! it exists! there IS a Santa Claus! Feb 23 18:16:35 what's the command to launch a mojo app from inside novaterm? Feb 23 18:16:50 ajay_, there is no Santa Claus... just WebOS Internals and a bunch of great people that took the little that we did and took off like a rocket with it Feb 23 18:17:03 Leathal, it is easier to do from outside novaterm Feb 23 18:17:13 or webos internals IS santa claus. that would explain a lot. Feb 23 18:17:21 * oilsworkn puts on santa suit Feb 23 18:17:22 wait, I wasn't supposed to say that. Feb 23 18:17:26 palm-launch -l shows the appID's, version and name Feb 23 18:17:26 yeah well im probably gonna have to reboot then hah Feb 23 18:17:30 ok Feb 23 18:17:33 then just palm-launch APPPID Feb 23 18:17:53 so palm-launch com.palm.something.maybesomethingelse Feb 23 18:18:14 -d USB? Feb 23 18:18:19 yeah i did some heavy editing on com.palm.app.browser Feb 23 18:18:33 oilsworkn, only need that if you have the emulator running at the same time Feb 23 18:18:34 well not really heavy but enough Feb 23 18:18:38 i should prob restart anyways Feb 23 18:18:45 Leathal: oh, what are you doing to the browser? Feb 23 18:18:51 if there is only one device connected, then nova* will use that Feb 23 18:19:20 changing a few js files to get flash preference widgets showing up again Feb 23 18:19:35 but i changed com.palm.browserservice.service as well Feb 23 18:19:43 so im just rebooting Feb 23 18:19:52 cryptk: huh? you're a big meanie, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Feb 23 18:20:15 destinal/oils: yay! Feb 23 18:20:19 don't worry ajay_ .... what we have here is way better than Santa Claus Feb 23 18:21:04 cryptk: *sniff sniff* wewe? Feb 23 18:21:11 is there any way to inspect what's going on when the browser tries to play a flash file? Feb 23 18:21:28 ls-inspect and /var/log/messages arent being too helpful Feb 23 18:21:47 Leathal: it uses an NPAPI plugin which is a .so shared library. have you copied those over as per the thread? Feb 23 18:21:56 yes Feb 23 18:22:07 oh did someone post a howto in the thread? checkin dis Feb 23 18:22:22 npapi, like mozilla? Feb 23 18:23:00 quick sed question: how to say replace a or b with c? I tried (a|b)/c/ to no avail Feb 23 18:23:19 not seeing anything new about the shared objects Feb 23 18:23:31 Leathal: Were you looking for something like this? luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.browser\"} (to launch an app from within novaterm/pre shell) Feb 23 18:23:38 Leathal: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-27.html#post2882484 Feb 23 18:23:39 and I see the sad little hp logo... totally gonna fix that next time Feb 23 18:24:06 lol, its sad? Feb 23 18:24:16 it's not palm Feb 23 18:24:18 oh ffs, i did all of that minus the /etc/adobe stuff which i missed Feb 23 18:24:23 thanks for the link Feb 23 18:24:26 so *I'm* sad Feb 23 18:24:38 ah Feb 23 18:24:39 yeah Feb 23 18:24:47 (fwiw I can't manage to read s|256MB|2048MB| either.. hmm..) Feb 23 18:24:49 i see a "remove hp branding" patch being popular xD Feb 23 18:24:54 RagingMind: Yeah that was my first "fix" :) Feb 23 18:24:56 it looks super easy to change back to palm though Feb 23 18:25:05 oh thats using files from the nda doctor Feb 23 18:25:11 still though Feb 23 18:25:28 I'm definitely not signing into my main profile with this though Feb 23 18:25:35 RagingMind: I think the pulsing effect looks cooler on the HP circle. also if you think of the circle as a glowing moon, then for Luna start it seems appropriate :) Feb 23 18:25:39 oil: Yeah could that be a patch? Changing bootie seemed.. a few too many steps for a ptach Feb 23 18:25:54 Leathal: it does not use files from the NDA doctor Feb 23 18:26:04 the pulsing I"m pretty sure is in luna Feb 23 18:26:04 Leathal: it uses files from the >> pre2 << doctor Feb 23 18:26:09 * ajay_ wants to be your NDA doctor Feb 23 18:26:22 but I see the regular logo tga, and should be easy to replace that in a doctor Feb 23 18:26:27 "Comparing webOS 2.0 Beta for palm pre and webOS 2.1.0..." i assumed the webos 2.0 beta was the leaked one Feb 23 18:26:36 well, like all the bootscreen patches Feb 23 18:26:38 Leathal: ah, right, well, just use the pre2 doctor instead Feb 23 18:26:45 yeah doin that now Feb 23 18:26:47 it starts with whatever was default, then switches Feb 23 18:26:53 RagingMind: Yeah I did and it works well. WOI has a page on how to do it live (on-device) incase you don't want/need to redoctor Feb 23 18:26:58 when it starts "boofing" Feb 23 18:27:07 I was nice, I took the HP Bootlogo.tga and the Palm one, and put them together Feb 23 18:27:09 (thats what rick called it at devdays xD) Feb 23 18:27:25 lol Feb 23 18:27:39 boofing? Feb 23 18:27:51 * oilsworkn always called it "flashing" Feb 23 18:27:54 oil: I haven't seen any bootie patches, only changes to the pulsing images Feb 23 18:28:07 ajay_: right Feb 23 18:28:35 RagingMind, which HP logo were you talking about? Feb 23 18:28:35 yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Feb 23 18:28:38 ya ya ya Feb 23 18:28:41 working =D Feb 23 18:28:51 the static logo? or the pulsing logo? or some other one? Feb 23 18:29:02 ice8lue, what was it? Feb 23 18:29:02 ^^my main profile Feb 23 18:29:02 there are logos in the "nvram section" and on the /boot partition. not sure which one gets used though Feb 23 18:29:04 "these are not the logos you are looking for" Feb 23 18:29:16 cryptk: the contacts Feb 23 18:29:19 destinal: it's the one in webOS.tar Feb 23 18:29:25 also im confused how the instructions posted in that thread will work since com.palm.app.browser was full of if:else statements aimed at disabling flash on pre1's Feb 23 18:29:32 ice8lue, ahh Feb 23 18:29:34 got them on google now, backup deactivatet and it logged in flawlessly Feb 23 18:29:36 cryptk, when it turns on Feb 23 18:29:40 ajay_: I meant where it goes not where it comes from :) Feb 23 18:29:46 ./BootLogo.tga Feb 23 18:29:50 I gots my 1.4.5 profile installed on 2.1 Feb 23 18:29:54 destinal: oh :) Feb 23 18:29:56 fantastic =D Feb 23 18:30:00 RagingMind, are you talking about the one before the pulsing logo? Feb 23 18:30:01 destinal: I just put it back into webOS.tar :) Feb 23 18:30:17 yeah if you want to doctor just to change a logo. seems a bit overkill Feb 23 18:30:25 destinal: You don't have to doctor to change it Feb 23 18:30:42 there is a way easier to change the static boot logo Feb 23 18:30:43 ~bootie_themes Feb 23 18:31:03 damn that didn't work.. where ya at bot! Feb 23 18:31:09 destinal: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes Feb 23 18:31:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes Feb 23 18:31:12 ajay_: right but you're confusing, you said put it back into webOS.tar, that file doesn't matter unles you're running the doctor installer Feb 23 18:31:13 yep Feb 23 18:31:18 cryptk, yeah the first one Feb 23 18:31:29 destinal: oh right, gotcha Feb 23 18:31:29 guess who figures out how to do that and wrote the article for it Feb 23 18:31:33 << is that the tga or is the tga the pulsing one? Feb 23 18:31:55 technically they are both tga's I think Feb 23 18:32:03 but one is from the bootloader, one is from the OS Feb 23 18:32:10 the pulsing one is from the OS Feb 23 18:32:10 tga is static on-boot Feb 23 18:32:17 static is bootloader Feb 23 18:32:23 does WOSQI supports changing bootie theme? Feb 23 18:32:32 no Feb 23 18:32:44 So I have Spype IPKs form the verizon pre2 Feb 23 18:32:49 heh... OOPS! Feb 23 18:32:51 can i get a quick help of a sed cmd? Feb 23 18:32:52 nothing changes the bootie theme that I know of, except for that article Feb 23 18:32:59 kill_dano: you have a VzPre+? Feb 23 18:33:01 I don't know of any tool for it Feb 23 18:33:02 Skype Feb 23 18:33:02 but they don't install Feb 23 18:33:08 apparently I had an old doctor lying around on my computer and I accidentally used that instead Feb 23 18:33:12 sprint Feb 23 18:33:15 do we have a python package in preware? Feb 23 18:33:17 now the new profile I made is 1.40.11 Feb 23 18:33:28 cryptk: ah, I've never run trenchcoat on an already-installed system before. or rather the one time I did, I destroyed the bootie config because I didn't pass it valid XML :) Feb 23 18:33:33 kill_dano, I havelt worked on getting skype working yet myself Feb 23 18:33:41 kill_dano: Even if you could install them, you couldn't make skype calls. maybe you can send skype IMs tho Feb 23 18:33:51 Well I just tried to get the IPks on my pre using quick install Feb 23 18:33:53 destinal, yeah, if you follow those instructions exactly, you will be all good Feb 23 18:33:55 unless they go over the txt infrastructure Feb 23 18:34:06 and it says it is missing dependacies Feb 23 18:34:17 although one note with that walkthrough Feb 23 18:34:23 any Verizon people out there? Feb 23 18:34:23 it HAS NOT been tested on 2.0 Feb 23 18:34:42 the space and alignment settings and such may be different Feb 23 18:35:03 cryptk: I have done it on 2.x Feb 23 18:35:13 kill_dano: yeah skype doesn't work on sprint for calling anyway. not sure if anyone's tested instant messaging Feb 23 18:35:17 ajay_, using that article? nothing changed? Feb 23 18:35:37 cryptk: It's been awhile, but I don't think I made any changes Feb 23 18:35:38 I can confirm that the skype app requires a skype server which is only accessable on the VZW network Feb 23 18:35:50 cryptk: for IM'ing too? Feb 23 18:35:53 it won't work on sprint Feb 23 18:36:00 you can't sign into a skype account at all without it Feb 23 18:36:06 ah Feb 23 18:36:18 at least from my initial prodding that seems to be the case Feb 23 18:36:21 verizon should open up their network :) Feb 23 18:36:24 I do plan to tinker with it more after SCALE Feb 23 18:36:26 they're smart Feb 23 18:36:34 ajay_, why don't you ask them to... Feb 23 18:36:38 let me know what they say Feb 23 18:36:43 it won't work from Telcel either ;) (skype) Feb 23 18:36:45 ooo.. WordPress 3.1 Feb 23 18:37:29 cryptk: Cuz they be haters ! :) Feb 23 18:37:56 my theory so far RE: skype is that it won't work on any network except VZW Feb 23 18:37:56 so are we 100% confirmed that you can do 1.4.5<->2.1.0? Feb 23 18:38:20 noradtux, ping? Feb 23 18:38:20 I am going to look into maybe patching it and see if I can get it to authenticate against a real skype server somehow Feb 23 18:38:26 cryptk: I wonder if they're really not going to allow skype for folks on carriers outside of the US Feb 23 18:38:43 ajay_, that is a decision for each carrier to make Feb 23 18:38:58 the traffic is being carried on their network, their infrastructure has to be able to handle it Feb 23 18:39:01 cryptk: how is it a carrier decision? skype is available on a lot of unlocked devices Feb 23 18:39:15 same deal as the iPhone not doing FaceTime on ATT network, it is wifi only Feb 23 18:39:26 vonage has an app in the app store. fring. slingplayer. not a carrier issue Feb 23 18:39:34 ajay_, because skype hasn't come out with an independant app for WebOS Feb 23 18:39:56 and thus the carriers get to decide what extra apps are on the phone in "stock" form Feb 23 18:40:00 cryptk: that's what i'm wondering, if HP will hamper skype from being on webOS devices outside of the US Feb 23 18:40:08 HP won't Feb 23 18:40:24 carriers can't decide if the app isn't available. the verizon version is NOT a real skype client Feb 23 18:40:25 coming out with a standalone app is all on skype Feb 23 18:40:34 ajay_, I understand that Feb 23 18:40:36 clearly HP designed this app, not skype Feb 23 18:40:45 but whta comes on the phone stock IS up to the carriers Feb 23 18:41:09 now, nothing is stopping skype from coming out with a standalone app and putting it in the catalog Feb 23 18:41:12 cryptk: I think we already had that bullet point.. carriers will NOT build a skype client for webOS. period Feb 23 18:41:13 maybe hp will make a skype client for them Feb 23 18:41:20 at that point the carriers wouldn't have a say in the matter Feb 23 18:41:36 it'd be nice if Amazon,netflix,skype, etc, were actually interested in making apps for webOS. But they're not. HP has to do it for them Feb 23 18:41:36 oilsworkn, not possible sadly... Feb 23 18:41:46 eh? Feb 23 18:41:49 why not? Feb 23 18:41:50 oil: hopefully! Feb 23 18:41:52 skype has an extremely closed source protocol Feb 23 18:42:01 no Feb 23 18:42:05 i understand that Feb 23 18:42:10 i mean Feb 23 18:42:14 as does everyone else i mentioned Feb 23 18:42:21 if they gave hp access to it, they would do it for them Feb 23 18:42:24 now HP may ask skype, and skype may give them the info they need to do it Feb 23 18:42:27 without skype needing to writ ethe app Feb 23 18:42:31 that is definitely a possibility Feb 23 18:42:42 yeah, thats what I was saying :) Feb 23 18:42:49 ajay_: you mean avod, not just amazon mp3? or kindle...? Feb 23 18:42:50 but HP doing it all on their own isn't... but with a little assist from Skype, sure ;) Feb 23 18:42:52 oil: HP does have access to it Feb 23 18:43:08 ajay_, how do you figure that? Feb 23 18:43:10 dtzWill: kindle, vod, whatever Feb 23 18:43:19 the biggest issues with the non-mp3 formats on amazon is the DRM stuff, and more generally getting content peoples to be happy Feb 23 18:43:21 i think hp writing apps for the big names is such a good move Feb 23 18:43:29 cryptk: because they wrote it Feb 23 18:43:41 that doesn't mean they have access to the protocol Feb 23 18:43:42 cryptk: I mean, they created the vz skype-ness Feb 23 18:43:58 they have access to something that will allow it to communicate with a server that is running on the VZW netwoek Feb 23 18:44:08 cryptk: It's the same story as the kindle. they got access to the APIs,which amazon has not given to ANYBODY else Feb 23 18:44:14 I extremely HIGHLY doubt that is the full skype protocol Feb 23 18:44:17 requires help from hp for sure to help keep that appropriately secure, and AFAIK webos doesn't offer any of the standard things at all Feb 23 18:44:38 in fact... I can fully assure you, that app does NOT use the standard skype protocol Feb 23 18:44:56 i'm curious to see how they finally do implement it Feb 23 18:44:57 cryptk: That's to make sure it can't run outside of Vz Feb 23 18:45:02 on top of that... the communications protocol that it does use is implimented in a compiled binary Feb 23 18:45:19 no special crypto API with device-specific keys/tokens, etc, afaik. Feb 23 18:45:25 the video calling on the touchpad was skype, i presume Feb 23 18:45:27 makes protecting content challenging :). Feb 23 18:45:29 ajay_, either way... that app does NOT speak the standard skype protocol, nor does it know how to Feb 23 18:45:37 cryptk: agreed Feb 23 18:45:49 which means that it is not evidence at all that HP knows the protocol Feb 23 18:46:33 some of the greatest minds have been working to fully reverse that protocol for years... they haven't succeeded yet Feb 23 18:46:46 skype is absurdly protective of their protocol. see the various talks looking at how they protect it, it's intense. Feb 23 18:46:49 cryptk: Verizon+HP+Skype collaborated, skype provided APIs/protocols to verizon and/or HP, and HP used whatever portion of the info they had to build the webOS client Feb 23 18:47:05 no ajay_ you are not reading what I am saying Feb 23 18:47:22 cryptk: we need to get the maemo skype binary or some components of it working on webos. that is, we would if I cared about skype, which I don't :) Feb 23 18:47:25 hopefully the Verizon deal doesn't prevent HP from working with skype directly to build a true webOS skype client Feb 23 18:47:29 so guys, i'm out now Feb 23 18:47:30 cu Feb 23 18:47:34 Skype provided a server for VZW... skype provided an API for that server... but that API is in no way shape or form the skype standard protocol Feb 23 18:47:44 it is not even a limited subset of the protocol Feb 23 18:47:45 destinal: hehe, this is what I Was saying LAST year, and everyone told me to "wait until the vz pre2" haha Feb 23 18:48:00 cryptk: i don't disagree Feb 23 18:48:45 anyway i still maintain that amazon would be rather inclined to bring their AVOD and kindle content to every device they could. Feb 23 18:48:52 * ajay_ needs help with a sed cmd from metadoctor Makefile Feb 23 18:49:12 I do think I can get the app to authenticate against a real skype server though... but I don't think I can get much further than that... Feb 23 18:49:17 dtzWill: this makes sense. Hopefully the HP deal didn't make them forget that Feb 23 18:49:25 but that is only because you can authenticate against a skype server using curl, lol Feb 23 18:49:43 dtzWill: yeah, they're a book selling company Feb 23 18:49:46 not a hardware company Feb 23 18:49:50 cryptk: maybe you can reverse-eng the vz skype server :) Feb 23 18:49:54 they dont care where you buy it Feb 23 18:49:58 okay... how do I get palm to update a profile from 1.4.1 to 1.4.5? Feb 23 18:50:04 OTA Feb 23 18:50:12 ajay_: content providers are cruel masters, and dictate an unfortuante amount of what amazon can do Feb 23 18:50:13 ajay_, sadly that would do me no good without a vz skype server... Feb 23 18:50:14 (go to the update app) Feb 23 18:50:14 so I really have to doctor my pre to 1.4.1 and then let it update? :( Feb 23 18:50:17 lol Feb 23 18:50:20 so nobody has gone from 1.4.5 to 2.1 back to 1.4.5 here? Feb 23 18:50:22 to fix 999 problem? Feb 23 18:50:27 i thought that was the only way Feb 23 18:50:34 lol book company Feb 23 18:50:41 cryptk: you RE so that you can make one :) Feb 23 18:50:45 dtzWill: right, haha Feb 23 18:50:46 0_o Feb 23 18:50:51 dtzWill: to be a master, a cruel master! Feb 23 18:50:51 hola Feb 23 18:51:03 oilsworkn, I accidentally used a 1.4.1 verizon doctor with the script, so it pulled in a 1.4.1 palm-build-info file :( Feb 23 18:51:10 ajay_, that would only get me the portion that allows me to talk to the VZ skype server though Feb 23 18:51:17 that wouldn't let me talk to a real skype server Feb 23 18:51:26 true.. Feb 23 18:51:38 so yeah i'm interested in what they got working for the kindle stuff. means they have some kind of protected reader that works on webos, which seems challenging given it's open nature. Feb 23 18:51:41 you're right, that's some good black box action Feb 23 18:51:54 it would merely show me how to authenticate against a server that is full of black magic and capable of translating through some proprietary means into skype Feb 23 18:51:59 dtzWill: I hope it runs on Palm devices! (not just HP devices) Feb 23 18:52:15 out of every protocol that I have ever worked with... skype is by far the hardest to crack Feb 23 18:52:21 i have no idea, i didn't follow the various announcements closely enough to remember what they even announced it for. Feb 23 18:52:32 the Ventrilo protocol on the other hand... that thing looks like some kids high school project Feb 23 18:52:33 dtzWill: touchpad Feb 23 18:52:38 it is horrible Feb 23 18:52:54 cryptk: beggers cant be choosers :) Feb 23 18:52:55 ajay_: ah, mkay. that's right, thank you. Feb 23 18:52:56 lol Feb 23 18:53:01 black magic protocol Feb 23 18:53:11 if i ever make a protocol, thats what im calling it Feb 23 18:53:19 speaking of which... did you guys know that there has already been a successful connection to, and broadcast to a ventrilo server from a WebOS device? Feb 23 18:53:55 and AFAIK, it has only been done by one person... (but I very well could be wrong) Feb 23 18:54:00 cryptk: I don't even know what that is :) Feb 23 18:54:01 << lol Feb 23 18:54:16 hah Feb 23 18:54:17 Ventrilo is a VOIP program, commonly used for online gaming Feb 23 18:54:32 "did you guys know some dude did something awesome"? Feb 23 18:54:37 can someone translate this for me?: sed -i.orig -e '/ S/${CODENAMENEW}.xml Feb 23 18:54:41 "btw, im the dude who did it" Feb 23 18:54:45 I had it broadcasting mp3's from my /media/internal to a ventrilo server Feb 23 18:54:48 :) Feb 23 18:55:18 cryptk: was that you poking at libventrillo in cross-compile repo a while back? Feb 23 18:55:18 clearly I'm not familiar enough with sed.. it looks like the | are / 's but.. how.. and how can I throw a real | in there Feb 23 18:55:24 "whos got two thumbs and connected to vent from webos?" Feb 23 18:55:27 i remember helping or at least answering questions in some capacity at the time. Feb 23 18:55:31 dtzWill, indeed Feb 23 18:55:33 "this guy (points thumbs at self") Feb 23 18:55:33 haha Feb 23 18:55:36 or maybe i just remember seeing the commits O:). been a while. Feb 23 18:55:41 I did get it working Feb 23 18:56:05 I was hoping that if I got the library ported with a proof of concept, someone would grab it and take off with it... Feb 23 18:56:08 never happened Feb 23 18:56:10 great, i remember there was somes truggle. glad you got it working. Feb 23 18:56:11 bummer :( Feb 23 18:56:19 who doesn't do stuff besides cool webstuff Feb 23 18:56:24 "this guy" Feb 23 18:56:54 hmm... looks like I messed that one up. I can only see 1.4.1 apps in the catalog now :( Feb 23 18:57:12 who writes code in ruby so that it won't run on webos without a massive porting effort and even then it will run like crap because ruby is slow and bloater? Feb 23 18:57:19 halfhalo <<< that guy Feb 23 18:57:21 lol Feb 23 18:57:41 cryptk, halfhalo is ruby kido Feb 23 18:57:48 Possibly... wait... what have I done in ruby that was EVER ported to webos? Feb 23 18:57:58 halfhalo, I was being sarcastic Feb 23 18:57:59 cryptk, you are summed Feb 23 18:58:12 RagingMind, did you OTA up to 1.4.5? Feb 23 18:58:15 ah Feb 23 18:58:25 node stuff, different story :p Feb 23 18:58:40 * Jack87 should be doing homework Feb 23 18:58:53 * halfhalo is watching online tv at work Feb 23 18:59:23 * cryptk playes Marvel vs. Capcom 3 at work last night on a 64" HDTV Feb 23 18:59:44 * halfhalo has projector at work but no games at work atm, only online based stuff Feb 23 18:59:59 RagingMind: you can't just replace build-info and be good to go? Feb 23 19:00:01 cryptk, I"m on 2.1 Feb 23 19:00:08 RagingMind: oh you're my vz buddy huh! Feb 23 19:00:23 RagingMind, did you go from 1.4.1 to 2.1? Feb 23 19:00:37 ajay_, I just replaced that to see what would happen and it worked for preware and the device info screen (I just put in a 1.4.5 one) Feb 23 19:00:48 * NuttyBunny yawns at the webOS doctor 2.1 taking soooooo long in the partition resize... Feb 23 19:00:51 cryptk, I went from 1.4.5 to 2.1 Feb 23 19:00:52 RagingMind: but the profile server still has you at 1.4.5? hrmm.. Feb 23 19:01:03 cryptk: but he accidentally used build-info from 1.4.1 Feb 23 19:01:04 i like this exhibition thing Feb 23 19:01:14 I mean 1.4.1 Feb 23 19:01:29 ajay_, but my profile is still 1.4.1 on palm.com and I can't see most PDK apps Feb 23 19:01:37 just the ones that were around in 1.4.1 Feb 23 19:01:40 there has to be another way than an OTA update Feb 23 19:01:49 RagingMind, you need to doctor to 1.4.1, then OTA to 1.4.5 to get your profile up Feb 23 19:01:51 FYI: I doctored to 1.4.2 (AT&T Pre Plus), and managed to put my profiles on 1.4.2 (on palm's servers), then doctored to 1.4.5 and upped the profiles with no issued, no need to OTA to 1.4.5 Feb 23 19:01:53 cuz that'd be a major PiTA Feb 23 19:01:56 ajay_, that is the only way we know of Feb 23 19:02:09 so I erased from device info and now I'm going to set up my phone again now that it thinks it's 1.4.5 Feb 23 19:02:16 what happens if you login to a 1.4.5 device with a 1.4.1 profile? that seems like it'd work Feb 23 19:02:40 ajay_: it worked for me, well, from 1.4.2 to 1.4.5 Feb 23 19:02:48 that's what I"m trying Feb 23 19:02:51 cryptk: if Palm doesn't keep old doctors around, that way would be impractical Feb 23 19:02:58 just waiting for the glowing to stop Feb 23 19:03:03 NuttyBunny: oh yeah, you just said that, shoulda read more carefully :) Feb 23 19:03:09 (or at all :) Feb 23 19:03:23 RagingMind: I'm guessing you don't have an extra device? Feb 23 19:03:30 is there a way to signin from the emu? Feb 23 19:03:35 nope, this is my main phone too Feb 23 19:03:46 (that anyone has figured out yet, I mean) Feb 23 19:04:07 ajay_, you can still get the 1.4.1 doc official from palm Feb 23 19:04:09 but it's not my main profile, it's one I made when I doctored to 2.1 (with the 1.4.1 palm-build-info) Feb 23 19:04:15 at least as of a few days ago you could Feb 23 19:05:34 taking a while to sign in... Feb 23 19:05:58 restarting... Feb 23 19:06:12 sorry for the spam... just nervous Feb 23 19:06:17 not that I'd lose anything Feb 23 19:07:07 I have a backup of my media dir with all my save restore and my original profile that I can go back to with my trusty freshly downloaded Verizon 1.4.5 Doc :) Feb 23 19:09:45 * NuttyBunny is ready for the masquerade-as-1.4.5-for-servers-then-restore-palm-build-info-for-preware test Feb 23 19:09:52 yay! that worked! Feb 23 19:10:09 my profile is 1.4.5 on palm.com Feb 23 19:10:36 mine is 9.9.9 :P Feb 23 19:11:10 no doctoring required, just had to "Erase Apps & Data" and re-activate my phone when it rebooted with the new palm-build-info :) Feb 23 19:11:48 so... if I can spoof a 2.0.1 Vzw pre and do the same... maybe I can get the min 2.0 apps in the catalog? Feb 23 19:11:58 *pre2 Feb 23 19:12:17 RagingMind: the funny thing is, I had my 1.4.1 build-info too!nutty: yay! Feb 23 19:12:31 silly old doctor lying around? Feb 23 19:12:35 * Josef_B was never on 1.4.1 Feb 23 19:12:44 RagingMind: nice! Feb 23 19:12:51 ajay_, at least we know it's easy to fix :) Feb 23 19:13:32 RagingMind: can we still make you doctor to 1.4.1 and then OTA to 1.4.5, and then metadoctor to 2.1.0 again, just for fun? (and bc its the only way that some know how to fix this :) Feb 23 19:13:55 either spoof a 2.0.1 Vzw Pre2 or if I can find someone with a real one that'll let me wipe their phone... hmmm Feb 23 19:14:24 i don't want to do this but im looking at the palm profile .. i hit on device option and it says i lost phone .. has anyone every did that and what does it do ? Feb 23 19:14:26 RagingMind: I do have old doctors, but my problem is that I back up my ENTIRE phone, so I've got random palm-build-infos around, from different versions of the backup Feb 23 19:14:40 and let palm profile think I bought a new phone to force it to upgrade to 2 :) Feb 23 19:14:50 RagingMind: yeah people are erring on the side of doctoring over and over again when there are often easier ways to fix things Feb 23 19:15:18 destinal: It's kinda ironic, if the doctors weren't available, we'd know how to fix things more easily :) Feb 23 19:15:33 * ajay_ notes he has been told to doctor his device numerous times for minor issues Feb 23 19:15:33 ajay_: heh, good point Feb 23 19:15:38 well... this profile is junk, so someone figures out device spoofing I'll try it :D Feb 23 19:15:51 yea how to device spoof, that's what I'm wondering Feb 23 19:16:30 yay! I can see SuperSNES again :) Feb 23 19:16:37 RagingMind: So, it's: 1. set profile to 1.4.5 on servers , 2. install 2.1, 3. replace palm-build-info with 1.4.5 one (and reboot), 4. activate phone and login to profile, 5. replace palm-build-info with 2.1 and reboot? Feb 23 19:16:46 have any of the brilliant people been researching that? Feb 23 19:17:05 NuttyBunny, 2 and 3 are built together with metadoctor Feb 23 19:17:18 but yup. that's it Feb 23 19:17:21 What I'd like to do is make a PC-based application that lets you use tokens from a device to log into the various palm services and let us experiment with different spoofed combinations without needing to do anything on the webos device itself Feb 23 19:17:31 RagingMind: what about supernes? or just your arbitrary app cat success metric? :) Feb 23 19:17:42 dtzWill, success metric Feb 23 19:17:48 RagingMind you gonna right a thread about this on precenteral ? Feb 23 19:17:52 RagingMind: hehe, kk. honored ;) :D Feb 23 19:17:55 it's the first thing I could think of to test availability of PDK apps ;) Feb 23 19:18:03 :) Feb 23 19:18:09 cause I love me some SNES Feb 23 19:18:20 it is kind of funny that the DAY this came out, and we had the ability to run 2.1, palm finally allowed for min version of 2.0 Feb 23 19:18:45 RagingMind: how dare you not think of angry birds at every waking moment! Feb 23 19:18:57 Josef_B, me write? ug... I'm good at poking things till they work (and bitching while doing it) I"m not good at focusing long enough to put it all together for someone else to follow Feb 23 19:18:58 * ajay_ can't find his angry birds beanie.. :( Feb 23 19:20:09 RagingMind so check this .. i have a .db3 file from an old 1.4.5 currently im running 2.1 .. if i go back to 1.4.5 / updload my .db3 .. then doctor to 2.1 and replace the palm-build-info will this work ? Feb 23 19:20:58 what is the story on this .db3 file? Feb 23 19:21:04 Josef_B, uploading anything to the 1.4.5 would be lost when you doctor to 2.1 Feb 23 19:21:07 so... no Feb 23 19:21:30 I looked into manually backing up database files like that a while ago, and gave up on it Feb 23 19:21:59 you would need an OTA update from 1.4.5 to 2.1 that would convert the file to the new format for you, but that's not ever every gonna be released Feb 23 19:22:08 *ever ever Feb 23 19:22:21 Josef_B: What is this db3 file that I should backup, and why? Feb 23 19:22:39 Josef_B: Your .db3 file from 1.4.5 won't work into 2.1 by just copying it Feb 23 19:22:42 but is till have a .db3 Feb 23 19:22:48 yes Feb 23 19:23:23 what im saying is can't i doctor back to 1.4.5 .. can i place my old .db3 file onto the new dcotored 1.4.5 device ? Feb 23 19:23:47 Ah, if you doctor to 1.4.5, yes, it should work Feb 23 19:24:28 ok now NuttyBunny .. when i doctor back at the set / startup screen it wants me to put in my username / password for my palmprofile .. it usually says can't / restore back data .. and i have to create a new user id Feb 23 19:24:31 why would it do that Feb 23 19:25:00 mmmhh... my profile went to 9.9.9... *sigh* Feb 23 19:25:26 because your profile has been upgraded to a newer version that is incompatible with 1.4.5 :( Feb 23 19:25:59 k is that where the masquarding comes in ? Feb 23 19:26:02 you'll need to doctor to 2.1, go to backup and disable it (erasing your contacts and other info from the profile). Feb 23 19:26:11 that way you can doctor back Feb 23 19:26:31 the masquerading is for the app catalog :) Feb 23 19:26:36 aw ok Feb 23 19:27:20 I don't like the new faster animations, I don't think the phone is any faster, but it *looks* like it is to people Feb 23 19:27:43 I had a friend on 1.4.5 that installed a faster animation patch and it gave the exact same feeling Feb 23 19:27:59 NuttyBunny im confused .. so i doctor back to 1.4.5 put in my .db3 file and im good as far as that .. when i want to update to 2.1 i doctor it / go to backup / earse everything and palm servers shoudl still see it as 1.4.5 ? thats whats confusing Feb 23 19:28:21 I actually prefer the older slower animations that weren't trying to hide how slow my phone is Feb 23 19:28:23 RagingMind: heh, yeah Feb 23 19:28:41 the zippy animations are a bit jarring Feb 23 19:28:55 RagingMind: they supposedly are faster though! Feb 23 19:29:10 RagingMind: you've got a VzPre+ right? how's everything working? Feb 23 19:29:20 ajay_, so far it's working Feb 23 19:29:44 RagingMind: did you use the script? (which I think includes all the verizon stuff, hopefully skype as well?) Feb 23 19:29:46 I haven't made a call or tested SMS yet, but the firmware is the new version (1.7) and my data connection is solid Feb 23 19:29:52 aren't some pooples profiles on palm server showing 1.4.5 or anyone regardless showing 9.9.9 Feb 23 19:29:52 Josef_B: no, no... if you doctor back to 1.4.5 and you can't login to your profile, you'll have to go to 2.1 and erase it (by disabling backup) Feb 23 19:30:03 oh NuttyBunny Feb 23 19:30:03 the script does not include the verizon stuff Feb 23 19:30:06 if you doctor to 1.4.5 and can login, you'll have no problems Feb 23 19:30:09 RagingMind: burn Feb 23 19:30:17 I wanted to test it as-is from rwhitby first, and then play with adding those things Feb 23 19:30:23 NuttyBunny once i erase it then i can login Feb 23 19:30:26 makes sense Feb 23 19:30:27 :D Feb 23 19:30:33 RagingMind: I'll count you as my test then :) Feb 23 19:30:34 yep Feb 23 19:30:56 now I need to call/SMS someone :) but all my contacts are gone... heh Feb 23 19:31:03 btw... the mistake of the 9.9.9 version was mine this time... trying with another profile... Feb 23 19:31:48 what needs to be edited so that the verizon stuff is used in the dr Feb 23 19:32:19 RagingMind: That's the reason to sync with exchange/yahoo/google :) Feb 23 19:33:22 NuttyBunny i have many emails out there cause i couldn't login to my palm profile .. now i know how to fix it :D Feb 23 19:34:50 Josef_B: Glad to help, I was in the same spot yesterday, today it got fixed :D Feb 23 19:35:14 * ajay_ doesn't know why the script touches the 1.4.5 vz dr Feb 23 19:35:36 NuttyBunny, 1.4 pulls data from yahoo but wouldn't push contacts TO yahoo... Feb 23 19:35:47 oh thats a good question, what was the method of backing up the palm-linked contacts? (the "sed all contacts via email" patch conflicts for me) Feb 23 19:36:04 RagingMind: i know, it's annoying Feb 23 19:36:08 ajay_, that's the patch I used, and now they're all on my computer Feb 23 19:36:19 I should test if I can save things to yahoo in 2.1 Feb 23 19:36:50 i think you cant Feb 23 19:39:51 aw Feb 23 19:39:56 w00t no more emails :D Feb 23 19:40:21 damn Telcel, keeps disconnecting me from 3G and I can't login to the profile!!!!!! Feb 23 19:40:51 NuttyBunny so i did the erase data thing right .. im sining back into my profile and it says that it can't accesst my data / restore it .. and it takes me back to the login screen Feb 23 19:41:39 meh, I did something wrong... my profile went to 9.9.9 again :( Feb 23 19:42:05 ?? Feb 23 19:42:20 We wehre unable to restore your data. please wiat a fw mintues and try again Feb 23 19:42:25 Josef_B: you erased the data in which version and signed back in which version? Feb 23 19:43:38 Hey Guys, I need your help, I've doctored my pre- to 2.1.0 using rwhitby metadoctor sprint script and every thing go as it should, the problem i'm having is that I cannot create or sign in into a profile, neither way, any ideas? Feb 23 19:43:48 NuttyBunny i thought i can sign into any version Feb 23 19:44:08 NuttyBunny i created the actually email / name on a 1.4.5 profile .. do i have to doctor back to 1.4.5 then erase data Feb 23 19:45:55 Josef_B: on the Palm profile page, what version does it have? https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Feb 23 19:46:07 ajay_, SMS works Feb 23 19:46:55 NuttyBunny 9.9.9 Feb 23 19:46:58 RagingMind: step 1.. ;^) Feb 23 19:47:04 3G data 1342 kbit/sec Feb 23 19:47:16 I made a call but he didn't pick up, I think he's in class Feb 23 19:47:28 I suppose I could call a random local business Feb 23 19:47:51 RagingMind: make several random calls.. just say "wrong number" Feb 23 19:47:53 Josef_B: mmm... that's bad. Doctor to 2.1, go to backup, disable it, Doctor to 1.4.5, login to your profile Feb 23 19:47:57 or "is your refrigerator running?" Feb 23 19:48:14 havent yet started on pixi 2.0 :3 Feb 23 19:49:02 NuttyBunny how do you disable backup ? .. in backup there is off and on Feb 23 19:49:40 Off :) Feb 23 19:50:31 lul Feb 23 19:51:08 if you disable backup, does it delete your contacts from your palm profile? Feb 23 19:51:17 would sprint say i voided my warranty if i put 2.0 on it and take it in for repair? Feb 23 19:52:11 is it available to create a new profile on a 2.1 sprinte pre-? Feb 23 19:52:43 you're talking about on the first use? Feb 23 19:53:00 ajay_: yes Feb 23 19:53:28 mandaman2k: where it says "Existing account" "Create account" etc...? Feb 23 19:53:53 NuttyBunny: burn Feb 23 19:54:17 * dumbledore is away: rebooting into ubuntu Feb 23 19:54:19 dumble: I think that's hard to guess Feb 23 19:55:00 would the sprint agent at the store have any idea what it's supposed to look like or be running? Feb 23 19:55:07 anyone know what "DMSet token" is? Feb 23 19:55:17 dumbledore: yes Feb 23 19:55:29 I wondered the same thing, when I took my Vz Pre+ into a Sprint store, if they'd notice.. ;^) Feb 23 19:55:40 first use, just as the pre boots up from being doctored Feb 23 19:56:21 NuttyBunny lol :P sorry again for n00b question .. i know if i doctor to 2.1 its going to ask me for a new email so i can create a profile .. do i create some random one or should i doctor it to skip activation / first app use ? Feb 23 19:56:23 Josef_B: that's personal preference, depending on what you want Feb 23 19:58:04 ajay_ yea but im tired of making many email accounts Feb 23 19:58:16 or does being in another country, Mexico, affects the first use app? as I cannot create a new profile or add the one i had in 1.4.5 Feb 23 19:58:26 Josef_B, do you need the phone to connect to a network? Feb 23 19:58:28 ajay_ im trying to get back to 1.4.5 and it show up on an email that i created on the palm profile Feb 23 19:58:36 Josef_B: do you have a gmail? Feb 23 19:58:37 RagingMind yes its my main phone Feb 23 19:58:49 then you can't skip the activation Feb 23 19:59:06 Josef_B: How many palm profiles do you have? Feb 23 19:59:13 ajay_ i can't count 0_o Feb 23 19:59:16 sleep? now? Feb 23 19:59:24 i want 1 profile thought Feb 23 20:00:26 Josef_B: why do you need another one? how many devices do you have? if you only want 1 profile, why have you created an uncountable number of profiles? just use one of the multitudes of ones you've already created. that's why I said, this is a question for You to answer, none of us can answer it for you Feb 23 20:00:33 chuqui: have a good sleep? :) Feb 23 20:01:57 ajay_ its complicated Feb 23 20:03:00 Josef_B: those were all rhetorical questions. the last statement is all any can provide you with Feb 23 20:03:18 _especially_ when "its complicated" Feb 23 20:05:19 ajay_ what can I do if I cannot create a new profile and cannot login with my old profile? Feb 23 20:06:36 ajay_ basically when i first started id didn't know the palm profile .. i just used it and that was it .. i was going to update to 2.1 so i followed a precenteral form that shows to backup your .db3 folder i docotred to 2.1 but it asked me for my palm profile username .. so i put in my username that i first used ever and it said error can't restore data so i created a new one .. Feb 23 20:07:10 in a nutshell im trying to go back to 1.4.5 put this .db3 file on there and some how save it and once i put 2.1 back on there i can manually copy / drag stuff to 2.1 so i have it as a backup Feb 23 20:07:23 the reason why i have multiple profiles is cause i didn't know what was going on Feb 23 20:08:54 mandaman2k: did you follow the recommended procedure? (palm-build-info, or used a script)? Feb 23 20:09:49 used script Feb 23 20:10:00 Josef_B: what's this db3 file? can you msg me the link to this forum thread? Feb 23 20:10:02 ajay_: used script Feb 23 20:10:20 k Feb 23 20:10:32 huh.. seems like that'd allow you to sign in or create a new one.. curious Feb 23 20:11:03 ajay_ http://www.precentral.net/how-to-back-your-palm-profile-information Feb 23 20:13:46 mandaman2k: did you check what palm-build-info is on your device? (assuming you can't go to device info now, are you familiar/comfortable w/ novaterm?) Feb 23 20:14:14 Josef_B: then it seems like you can use any profile, maybe i'm confused Feb 23 20:14:17 yes, already did that it is Palm WebOS 1.4.5 Feb 23 20:15:58 ajay_ all in all .. at this point to clear up everything .. i want to go back to 1.4.5 put this .db3 folder onto my pre back it up manually ie to my desktop / doctor to 2.1 and ue the same / username (profile) that is on the palm.com/palmprofile .. is this possible Feb 23 20:16:33 ajay_: my palm-build-info is Palm Webos 1.4.5 and my radio is RC so the doctor built Feb 23 20:17:42 was ok Feb 23 20:21:07 mandaman2k: RC? hm, sorry sounds like I am not yet knowledgeable enough to help you.. Feb 23 20:21:34 Josef_B: definitely 1 way to find out! Feb 23 20:21:44 Josef_B: In theory it sounds totally possible Feb 23 20:22:16 hmm... now novacom freezes on me :( Feb 23 20:22:47 ajay_ nevermind the RC, thats just that the cdma firmware was also installed Feb 23 20:23:05 i'll try to go back to 1.4.5 and up again Feb 23 20:26:07 Anyone use the script to get 2.1 on an AT&T Pre+? Feb 23 20:28:20 ajay_ you around ? Feb 23 20:28:37 Josef_B: ya Feb 23 20:29:14 snotball007: I dr'd w/o script, but i also don't have a sim card :) Feb 23 20:29:31 hello there Feb 23 20:29:47 so a this point im on 2.1 with a palm profile on there .. i want to get back to 1.4.5 and use one of my old palm profiles .. what should i do .. doctor back to 1.4.5 and it should let me sign to my orignal email that i first signed up ? Feb 23 20:30:12 Josef_B: I think so.. what does your profile version show on palm.com? Feb 23 20:30:24 I'm a noob with metadoctor. Ran the script and got two versions of the doctor in the ./scripts/download file. What do I do from here? Feb 23 20:30:34 im running palm pre plus fro att (unlocked), it has several problems, wont hard reset, battery problems, worn connect to palm catalog online... anyone know if there is an update for the palm pre and how to run it? Feb 23 20:31:20 and I can purchase apps Feb 23 20:31:23 snotball007: the script should start the doctor .. but it shouldn't be dropping it in scripts (afaik) Feb 23 20:31:26 ajay_, ^ Feb 23 20:31:30 so all seems to be working Feb 23 20:31:30 RagingMind: WHAT! Feb 23 20:31:50 I just bought preware homebrew documentation Feb 23 20:32:01 RagingMind: oh, but you're masq'd as 1.4.5 to appcat right? Feb 23 20:32:08 Yup Feb 23 20:32:12 ok :) Feb 23 20:32:18 ug... 1m I have to restart my IRC Feb 23 20:32:21 Compared to the other scripts the AT&T one is pretty barren Feb 23 20:32:53 s/scripts/the scripts subdir/ Feb 23 20:32:55 ajay_ with thep rofile i want has no device under there Feb 23 20:33:01 snotball007, sprint and vzw need extra things to pull a firmware Feb 23 20:33:05 ajay_ meaning i log into palm profile .. where it show device there is none Feb 23 20:33:21 Josef_B: weird, sorry i can't answer the 'why' q for ya Feb 23 20:33:48 gah! my first card stack! I forgot about those! /me is excited Feb 23 20:33:50 RagingMind: you just ran the script right? no other changes? Feb 23 20:34:07 * ajay_ likes card stacks.. but also likes minimized card view.. can't I have both? Feb 23 20:34:32 it doesn't have the super tiny card view anymore? /me cries Feb 23 20:34:51 ajay_, I just ran the script... with the wrong doctor, heh Feb 23 20:35:06 but I think I got that all worked out, so now it's like I just ran the script :) Feb 23 20:35:20 I'm running the script again and see what happens Feb 23 20:36:45 RagingMind: for sure.. Feb 23 20:37:51 novacom won't connect to my pre anymore... Feb 23 20:37:55 oh! devmode is off Feb 23 20:38:02 RagingMind try recovery ? Feb 23 20:38:08 heh.. guess you need to edit that Makefile :) Feb 23 20:38:11 I guess it does that automatically when you erase data Feb 23 20:38:30 The script masq's, correct? Wondering if I should make a test profile Feb 23 20:39:19 the Vzw script masks... Feb 23 20:39:22 RagingMind im trying to go back to 1.4.5 and doctor didnt see it Feb 23 20:39:26 RagingMind im trying recovery Feb 23 20:39:34 aw Feb 23 20:39:37 found ne hardware Feb 23 20:39:42 palm novacom (bootie) Feb 23 20:40:49 I think it was not meant to be. Terminal closes and nothing once again Feb 23 20:41:03 RagingMind it recognized it Feb 23 20:41:26 nifty Feb 23 20:41:31 :D Feb 23 20:43:18 I guess I can try the old fashioned way Feb 23 20:45:22 anyone in here have any info on device masquerade? even just a link maybe? Feb 23 20:47:38 is it *just* in that palm-build-info ? Feb 23 20:48:55 it's funny, I was thinking last week that it was almost time for a doctor.. who knew i'd spend a full-day getting a doctor ready! Feb 23 20:49:26 * ajay_ wonders if his doctor to 2.0 will wipe his USB partition.. it should, but,ya never know! Feb 23 20:49:33 ajay_ this is what it looks like .. just fyi http://i53.tinypic.com/175r3c.jpg Feb 23 20:50:07 ajay_, mine is fine Feb 23 20:50:10 Josef_B: honestly, I don't know what to tell you, sorry. i would just try some stuff and see what happens. Feb 23 20:50:12 all my stuff is still on it Feb 23 20:50:14 RagingMind: yeah?? Feb 23 20:50:18 RagingMind: huh! Feb 23 20:50:25 k Feb 23 20:52:17 RagingMind: masquerade stuff first showed up on the pre2 sprint conversion thread here http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276069-using-verizon-pre-2-doctor-assist-sprint-pre-2-development-3.html#post2878631 Feb 23 20:55:11 * ajay_ metadoctor==78mb == fail :( Feb 23 20:55:35 This metadoctoring stuff is making me facepalm quite a bit Feb 23 20:55:40 haha Feb 23 20:55:43 me too Feb 23 20:57:56 hmm... Feb 23 20:57:58 oh wow Feb 23 20:58:01 1.40.50 Yes Feb 23 20:58:12 ajay_, what'd you change from the script? Feb 23 20:58:44 NuttyBunny i got my 1.4.5 stuff back OS version 1.40.50 primary yes Feb 23 20:58:59 are the forums currently really slow? Feb 23 20:59:29 The script seems to be failing at the $make clobber part Feb 23 20:59:38 So at that point I'm just going through via terminal Feb 23 21:00:20 snotball007: are you running on ubuntu? anything else is probably hit and miss Feb 23 21:00:29 Yeppers Feb 23 21:00:47 I wanted to get this done before I have to switch over to Kubuntu next week Feb 23 21:01:43 RagingMind: I ran the script, then I went to screw around in the unpacked.. not working so well, working backwards Feb 23 21:03:17 my webOS.tar got screwed up somehow, hrmm.. Feb 23 21:03:32 i'm really anti 'make clobber' myself :) Feb 23 21:04:22 Yeah, that's what I forgot to do last time. Doing it again Feb 23 21:04:37 I can probably clean up the shell but it seems to be working for some people Feb 23 21:04:52 How, I don't know. But it is Feb 23 21:06:39 This, is of course, if I understand what the hell is going on. Which right now doesn't seem so great Feb 23 21:08:09 heh... the verizon ipks have a DEBIAN directory Feb 23 21:10:20 RagingMind: i've seen filenames on my device that have 'debian' in them before :) (most notably debian-binary) Feb 23 21:13:30 morning Feb 23 21:13:41 rwhitby: morning! our lord and savior! Feb 23 21:13:46 what's the fall-out from the meta-doctor meta-scripts ? Feb 23 21:14:06 monin Feb 23 21:14:25 meta-mixed! Feb 23 21:15:01 Morning Feb 23 21:15:33 evening! Feb 23 21:16:40 rwhitby, working great on my verizon pre+ Feb 23 21:17:30 I accidentally ran it with an old doctor. 1.4.1 instead of 1.4.5 so I the profile that got made was 1.4.1, but I worked it out Feb 23 21:18:10 and now I've made sure everything in my directory of Doctors is very clearly labled Feb 23 21:19:41 did anyone notice, that the voice dial icon always sits back on the first launcher page after a reboot? Feb 23 21:20:12 bsm___: yes! Feb 23 21:20:48 Accursed 8%!!!! Feb 23 21:21:07 HA! as soon as I said it the doctor took over Feb 23 21:22:13 rwhitby: Is unpacking, modifying, making patch, making pack seem like a reasonable way to go? Feb 23 21:22:23 RagingMind wierd webosdoctor only sees my device in recovery mode .. i notcied something Feb 23 21:22:36 when ever i plug device in i get a drver error .. not novacom but oamp something Feb 23 21:23:46 that's outa my league, heh. this windows? Feb 23 21:26:47 know what i bet ubuntu recognizes my pre Feb 23 21:26:48 :D Feb 23 21:27:51 as long as you have novacom installed from the sdk Feb 23 21:28:18 Is freetether still in the testing feeds? Feb 23 21:28:49 I have the mhs ipk still, but figure I'll give it a try Feb 23 21:29:28 rwhitby you around .. WSQI and even webosdoctor won't recotnize my pre unless in recovery .. any ideas ? Feb 23 21:30:00 Sounds like a possible corrupted usb. Hopefully I'm wrong Feb 23 21:31:13 lack of devmode? Feb 23 21:31:32 lmao .. rookie i just doctored it to /me hides and performs Feb 23 21:31:49 Not a big fan of the hp logo. But nicer than palm's boot logo Feb 23 21:32:12 yes snotball007 more flashy Feb 23 21:32:17 how often should you see that? one time forever? :D Feb 23 21:33:16 I already purchased homebrew documentation. Guess I'll have to donate via paypal this time Feb 23 21:33:26 hmm, wr-castle-plus.tar gets excluded from a build.. guess i shouldn't be usin it! Feb 23 21:33:40 RagingMind bypassing the most easy stuff is what kills people Feb 23 21:33:42 :D Feb 23 21:34:27 AT&T with 3G and in the first use app. Getting giddy here Feb 23 21:36:09 * ajay_ is about to test a hand-edited metadoctor.. Feb 23 21:37:07 hmm, MANIFEST.MF is almost blank.. that doesn't look good.. Feb 23 21:37:56 ........time for a hard reset. :-( Feb 23 21:43:17 Good thing I tried a test account. 9.9.9 :-( Feb 23 21:44:04 RagingMind you mind a pm so i don't spam chan ? Feb 23 21:53:40 man we're splittin a lot lately! Feb 23 21:54:07 oh nice, when webOS doctor failed due to my failure to ignore MODEL_CHECK it didn't screw anything up. heh Feb 23 21:59:58 Dang, looking like I'm going to have to create another doctor Feb 23 22:09:25 doctor fail. doh Feb 23 22:09:36 weird, none of the files it was looking for (in verification) existed **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 22:23:30 2011 Feb 23 22:41:25 I'm going to doctor back to 1.4.5 and then attempt to break that darn 9.9.9. I guess reading helps with this sort of stuff Feb 23 22:41:25 NuttyBunny: seriously Feb 23 22:41:36 RagingMind: ok I give up, I will use the script as-is :) Feb 23 22:41:36 (for now) Feb 23 22:41:37 ajay_ Something wrong happened on 2.1 and my profiles went to 9.9.9 again, so, redoctor to 1.4.5, set profiles to 1.4.5, and use Rod's script to create 2.1 doctor... Feb 23 22:41:39 NuttyBunny: what.. hmm.. Feb 23 22:41:39 The script failed for me, but if I just type in the last set of commands it should work Feb 23 22:41:40 maybe there's something wrong with the att script Feb 23 22:41:42 It downloads the doctors but into the ./script section with no makefile or palm-build-info Feb 23 22:41:42 snotball007: you sure you've got the latest? Feb 23 22:41:42 Hence why I got my lovely 9.9.9. But I don't get why it doesn't start the custom doctor after download. Just sort of dies and closes the terminal Feb 23 22:41:42 Yeah, make sure you've got the latest Feb 23 22:41:42 I downloaded it a couple hours ago. I'll retry it and see if I get something different Feb 23 22:41:42 I cloned from GIT about 10 minutes ago and the ATT script works fine Feb 23 22:41:43 I'll see if there is a difference in the script too Feb 23 22:41:43 snotball007: Oh I don't run the scripts from the scripts directory, that's why you have build and download in scripts, i understand now Feb 23 22:41:43 snotball007: you don't have to re-download, just do a git pull Feb 23 22:41:46 Makes sense now that I look at it Feb 23 22:41:46 thanks ajay Feb 23 22:41:47 I must admit though, terminal is fun Feb 23 22:41:49 snotball007: en serio Feb 23 22:42:09 net split.. hehehe Feb 23 22:42:09 Sounds quite painful Feb 23 22:42:10 So, what about 2.1 OC kernels? Feb 23 22:42:10 :-p Feb 23 22:42:11 snotball007: snot yet Feb 23 22:42:11 haha Feb 23 22:42:12 give me some source code and i'll make it happen! Feb 23 22:42:12 >:O Feb 23 22:42:17 hehehe Feb 23 22:42:17 Hi Psycho :) Feb 23 22:42:17 Yo Feb 23 22:42:18 silly netplits Feb 23 22:42:46 psycho, somatic, addict, insane! Feb 23 22:43:22 sounds familiar Feb 23 22:44:24 hay Feb 23 22:44:26 ajay: so I run the script in /meta-doctor, but where do I find the correct palm-build-info? Feb 23 22:44:44 snotball007: it takes care of everything, i just realized Feb 23 22:45:45 Okey dokey artichokey Feb 23 22:47:53 I'm crossing my fingers and toes that this works Feb 23 22:48:02 wierd Feb 23 22:48:05 i can't turn off my backup Feb 23 22:48:09 i click on turn off backup Feb 23 22:48:22 turn off and erase backup Feb 23 22:48:30 no internet connection Feb 23 22:48:31 wtf Feb 23 22:48:41 use wifi? Feb 23 22:49:05 yes im re-doctoring it to 1.4.5 .. the reason why is it was turning it off for about 20 ins Feb 23 22:49:08 is this normal ? Feb 23 22:49:14 hi josef_b Feb 23 22:49:23 hey PatrickC_Pixi Feb 23 22:49:44 NuttyBunny how long is it suppose to take to turn off backup Feb 23 22:49:49 or erase Feb 23 22:50:07 nothing, it's done on the server Feb 23 22:51:53 script is looking good so far Feb 23 22:58:04 hi everyone, how's playing the doctor? ;) Feb 23 22:58:15 IT'S ALIVE! Feb 23 22:58:44 Josef_B: err, are you talking to me? :) Feb 23 22:58:53 no just a reponse Feb 23 22:58:59 you said hows playing the doctor Feb 23 22:59:01 i said Feb 23 22:59:03 ITS ALIVE! Feb 23 22:59:07 like frankensitne or something Feb 23 22:59:19 Good news, then!! Feb 23 22:59:27 hm, my USB partition was't wiped either. Interesting.. Feb 23 22:59:34 I've almost got my patient living....almost Feb 23 23:00:13 has anyone figured out what A6 is yet? Feb 23 23:00:25 * Thibaud thinks there is must frankensteinizing going on these days... Feb 23 23:00:33 s/must/much/ Feb 23 23:02:05 If I can get this sucker running in half an hour I'll be stoked Feb 23 23:03:18 Seems like such a waste of bandwidth letting all the apps redownload. Even though in reality it's like 30mb at most Feb 23 23:03:32 snotball007: i know Feb 23 23:06:22 ajay: after the script I run meta-doctor/build/preplus-p101ueude-wr-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar correct? Feb 23 23:06:39 yes Feb 23 23:07:16 Finally. It's all starting to make sense Feb 23 23:08:49 I've got another test account just in case Feb 23 23:09:16 doesn't the script run the doctor automatically? Feb 23 23:09:33 Not for me Feb 23 23:10:14 It builds the doctor, but doesn't open it Feb 23 23:10:16 ok here is one Feb 23 23:10:43 i know approximately jack and shit about bash scripting, but i have reproducible steps for getting flash working with full browser controls now Feb 23 23:10:56 if, uh, anyone who knows how wants to add it to the shell scripts :p Feb 23 23:11:08 i have a profile called joe@gmail.com (hypotheical) i also have a profile called j_b@yahoo.com .. how can i backup everything from j_b@yahoo.com / sync it to my desktop and then get it into the joe@gmail.com Feb 23 23:11:23 all thru palm profile Feb 23 23:11:32 you can't Feb 23 23:11:40 aw Feb 23 23:11:45 but then why are you having that info life in a palm profile and not a google account? P: Feb 23 23:11:53 true that Feb 23 23:12:10 i only use google for google sync / contacts / calendars Feb 23 23:12:12 Time to throw preware on 1.4.5.....again Feb 23 23:14:50 The proper palm-build-info is missing I do believe Feb 23 23:14:59 snotball007: make sure that's the newly built doctor, not the orig Feb 23 23:16:08 i'm curious: with the webos 2.1.0 doctor out and about but lacking flash, why not pull the flash plugin from texas instruments directly? Feb 23 23:16:20 snotball007: what instructions are you following? Feb 23 23:16:52 pre plus uses the same 3430 as the pre minus, doesn't it? so the flash 10.1 plugin from texas instruments should work, no? am i missing something here? Feb 23 23:16:56 Leathal: from legal inputs? Feb 23 23:17:01 Whatever I seem to be finding to be honest. I'm just making n00b mistakes Feb 23 23:17:21 snotball007: http://bit.ly/webos-2-on-legacy Feb 23 23:17:21 rwhitby: yep, from the vzw pre2 doc and by commenting out a few lines in preferences-assistant.js Feb 23 23:18:21 or would pulling the TI plugin into webos have some sort of legal hoopla surounding it? Feb 23 23:18:39 Did that, the target doctor is giving me the "not compatible" error at 8% Feb 23 23:18:56 I'm using the AT&T script if it helps Feb 23 23:19:08 rwhitby: just posted a quick howto here http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2883318&posted=1#post2883318 Feb 23 23:19:26 seems like something that could fairly easily be integrated into the shell scripts, i just dont have the know-how Feb 23 23:19:49 yep Feb 23 23:19:58 the TI plugin worked for the N900, which is so similar to the pre that ppl are able to run PDK apps on the N900: http://www.knownokia.ca/2011/01/flash-101-on-your-n900.html Feb 23 23:20:13 Leathal: if you don't mind, we might wait a couple of days before scripting it, so as not to confuse folks that are just getting up to speed. Feb 23 23:20:18 I got a 9.9.9 error when I tried to use it via terminal. Installed Internalz on 1.4.5 to pull the proper build info Feb 23 23:20:23 oh sure, i dont mind. Feb 23 23:21:00 snotball007: what device do you have, and on which carrier. Tell me the values from the Device Info screen. Feb 23 23:21:17 p101una on AT&T Feb 23 23:21:31 i really gotta stop putting info in my palm profile :) Feb 23 23:21:33 Leathal: perhaps start a new thread in the webOS Internals sub-forum, and edit your post to point people there. Feb 23 23:21:53 will do Feb 23 23:22:30 snotball007: so you started with a blank directory, cloned meta-doctor, ran the script, the script automatically ran the doctor, and you get a not compatible error? or did you do some manual step somewhere? Feb 23 23:23:04 * NuttyBunny did those steps and the doctor is flashing now :) (at&t) Feb 23 23:23:05 nice Leathal .. i was just about to doctor back to 2.1 Feb 23 23:23:07 :D Feb 23 23:23:46 The script fails to start the doctor. After that I tried to manually run the doctor which gave me the "wrong doctor" error at 8% Feb 23 23:24:33 Run shell in /meta-doctor and it builds the doctor fine, but I'm wondering if it's getting the 1.4.5 build error since that seems to be the 9.9.9 error Feb 23 23:24:39 snotball007: you need to stop and determine *why* the script fails to start the doctor Feb 23 23:24:57 never proceed past an error you don't understand. universal rule. Feb 23 23:25:21 True, but it works just fine if I use the code in the shell manually Feb 23 23:25:42 if it worked fine, you wouldn't be reporting problems, would you? Feb 23 23:25:49 Touche. :-p Feb 23 23:27:14 * Thibaud wants to believe ... Spookie will be back some day! ;) Feb 23 23:32:56 weird all the google stuff in /etc/palm/db/kinds is set to sync:false Feb 23 23:35:05 aw man he is gone Feb 23 23:36:21 how do I know what version preware thinks I have? Feb 23 23:36:36 device info shows 2.1.0, but in preware i'm getting "this is not avail for 1.4.5" Feb 23 23:36:50 rwhitby or anyone else do you guys understan his flash guide .. i basically know how to create the doctor / make it / comment stuff from the make file .. but what he is saying is to copy certin stuff rom a verizon doctor to your medatadoctor .. my metadoctor has 4 folders BUILD / DOWNLOADS / PATCHES / SCRIPTS .. he didn't say what folder to put it in Feb 23 23:37:04 s/rom/from Feb 23 23:37:07 (all my preware settings are unchanged from 1.4.5 fwiw, except it overwrote my saved pkgs w/o asking) Feb 23 23:37:46 or is it safe to safe Feb 23 23:38:06 to just put those files he said into my metafolder directory and build it .. i don't think the makefile will find these files or will they Feb 23 23:38:17 s/safe/say Feb 23 23:38:42 New here gentlemen, but interested in alpha-testing Linphone. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool VoIP weenie. Feb 23 23:39:01 Getting my Pre2 tomorrow. Feb 23 23:39:29 so excited I'm about to PRE-eja... Eject! Eject my old one :-) Feb 23 23:39:32 kfife: seet - my pre plus is arriving monday and i'm also looking to get my hands dirty with linphone Feb 23 23:39:49 seet==sweet Feb 23 23:40:02 Hmmm...odd. I put in the palm-build-info into the /meta-doctor and after the script ran it created an unmasq version Feb 23 23:40:07 just to tell everyone, it seems that the Pre Plus script works.. :) I'm restarting to see it working, at least the profile on Palm shows mine as 1.4.5 :D Feb 23 23:40:53 kfife: what voip backend will you be using? Feb 23 23:41:09 NuttyBunny when your done try to explain leathls flash thing if you dont mind .. he is on about copy files to your metadoctor folder and uncommeting out a .js file .. but im wondering will my makefile even see the files he is talking about Feb 23 23:41:27 I have no idea why mine isn't working flawlessly. But this is fun to play with Feb 23 23:41:48 Josef_B: ah, I'd copy the files directly over my Pre Feb 23 23:42:19 so it probably will see he makefile Feb 23 23:42:23 Oh, yeah, paid apps paradise!! Feb 23 23:42:46 bitflung: Can't wait. I'm a long-time asterisk guy. My music-on-hold parody might convince you (hear it at 360-519-5689). You'll think it's funny if you call the number. Feb 23 23:43:28 I think I'll now just use my official 1.4.5 profile unless there's something important that I'm missing Feb 23 23:43:51 the makefile basically says "bundle this file as thing thing" Feb 23 23:44:00 so yes, it'd see the changes if it's bundling that file :p Feb 23 23:44:06 I prepatched First Use that way Feb 23 23:44:31 kfife: what device do you have Feb 23 23:44:50 Tomorrow I receive a UMTS Pre2 Feb 23 23:44:58 kfife: hah - i'm digging that 80's background jazz :) Feb 23 23:45:07 MY firstname: Karl Feb 23 23:45:41 2.1.0 is def slower than OC'd 1.4.5 to even 600, esp 800 tho Feb 23 23:45:45 kfife: see /msg and report in the precentral thread Feb 23 23:46:04 ajay_ on a Pre? or Pre+? Feb 23 23:46:32 If you want to hear the routine in FULL WIDEBAND AUDIO, you can call the SIP uri 3605195689@sip.kfife.com or ISN:3605195689*696 Feb 23 23:47:07 VzPre+ Feb 23 23:47:23 damn getting call dropped on hangup, i thought it already replaced the vzw firmware.. Feb 23 23:47:30 RagingMind: no such probs for you? Feb 23 23:48:23 kfife: i'm calling :) Feb 23 23:48:57 ajay_: SIP URI or PSTN call? Feb 23 23:49:01 kfife: nice - i'm on hold for Karl via gizmo5 Feb 23 23:49:01 Just curious. Feb 23 23:49:06 pstn Feb 23 23:49:38 poohoh there are no 2.1.0 patches yet.. hrmm.. Feb 23 23:49:56 bitflung: Unfortunately using Gizmo5, the SIP client will prefer the 'worse' codec, and the sound is just 'ordinary'. If you use a PURE sip client and prefer g.722, it will sound totally 'tits' Feb 23 23:50:04 kfife: can i get allison smith to do a music-on-hold for me too? Feb 23 23:50:05 ajay_:download them from the 2.0.1 repository and try them Feb 23 23:50:23 bitflung: Absolutely. Tell her Karl Fife sent you. Feb 23 23:50:25 kfife: who did the recording? sounds very familiar, is a robot-in-disguise? Feb 23 23:50:34 NuttyBunny: haha i've tried such things before :) Feb 23 23:50:47 kfife: actually, i don't use the gizmo5 client, just the service - my client is current the native SIP stack on my N900 Feb 23 23:51:33 Allison Smith did the recording. I've know her for some years now. We'd joked about collaborating on something like that for a while. FInally we did it. Feb 23 23:51:46 kfife: wait, what? i'm not the next caller anymore?!? WTF Karl?? Feb 23 23:51:49 bitflung: Does the N900 prefer g.722 coder? Feb 23 23:51:58 bitflung: LOL Feb 23 23:52:48 ajay_: Allison Smith is the voce of Asterisk, and lots of other companies--Even Cingular before they became AT&T Feb 23 23:53:00 kfife: i'm guessing not, since this unanswered post is from someone hoping g.722 would get added ... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68786 Feb 23 23:53:21 http://www.theivrvoice.com/ Feb 23 23:53:32 That's allison's shingle. She's great to work with. Feb 23 23:53:37 kfife: oh neat Feb 23 23:54:22 bitflung: I just checked the logs--g.711. Standard PSTN quality. No g.722 for you my firend :-) Feb 23 23:54:46 bitflung: IOW: g.711 8khz narrowband is what was served up to your SIP call. Feb 23 23:55:23 bitflung: ajay_: you can also try 1234@sip.kfife.com to hear a few of allison's other funny bits. They come after the Karl on Hold routine. Feb 23 23:55:27 kfife: and to think, i took the time to switch to wifi before making the call in the hopes of wideband brilliance Feb 23 23:55:36 bitflung: LOL Feb 23 23:55:48 whoops - time to pick the wife up - got to run Feb 23 23:56:23 bitflung: cheers Feb 24 00:00:28 kfife: no worries, think I better lunch.. Feb 24 00:00:29 ;^) Feb 24 00:04:22 can I keep my text messages when going to sprint 2.0 Feb 24 00:06:02 2.1 Feb 24 00:06:03 2.1.0 Feb 24 00:06:08 prob not Feb 24 00:06:09 screw it Feb 24 00:06:33 use save/restore to export them to HTML Feb 24 00:06:50 oh yeah, save/restore!a Feb 24 00:06:58 save/restore does that? Feb 24 00:08:46 oy I'm so settled into this 1.4.5 Feb 24 00:08:49 just gonna have to Feb 24 00:08:50 SA Feb 24 00:08:52 SACK UP Feb 24 00:10:39 im trying to enable flash im going to put it onto my metadoctor .. im lookin in webosdoctorp102verizonwireless im looking for a /etc folder .. i do not see it Feb 24 00:10:42 am i missing something Feb 24 00:12:00 torchie: you can also use the "backup" target in Meta-Doctor to do a complete filesystem dump of the device Feb 24 00:12:57 would a complete filesystem dump work after the upgrade though? Feb 24 00:13:09 instead of peeking in i will extract it and look Feb 24 00:14:00 I hope plam releases the kernel source for 2.1.0 soon Feb 24 00:15:16 good morning Feb 24 00:15:20 hi Feb 24 00:15:28 has anyone got openssh to work on 2.1.0? Feb 24 00:16:53 am i being ignored ? Feb 24 00:16:58 I've set it up from preware and used novacom to generate new keys as with 1.4.5, but the ppk from putty is refused Feb 24 00:18:18 Darn, all the youtubes I downloaded are gone. Feb 24 00:21:25 ajay: I got the script to finally work. I blame it 99% on me. And have you gotten a 9.9.9 error yet? Feb 24 00:25:37 anyone doing flash on there metadoctor ? Feb 24 00:26:32 snotball007: nope, i'm solid Feb 24 00:26:56 rwhitby: Everything's looking good with a VzPre+ doctor, btw! I used an existing Palm profile though, if that matters I know not Feb 24 00:26:59 (a 2.x profile) Feb 24 00:27:12 I'll test account it anyway. Don't want to risk the main profile just yet Feb 24 00:27:26 virtual box makes me want to smash my head into a wall Feb 24 00:28:11 it won't detect my pre via USB and the guest additions install keeps failing so I can't create a shared folder Feb 24 00:28:27 use sneaker net Feb 24 00:28:55 I think I am going to do it... My Verizon Pre+ is dying for 2.1... Feb 24 00:29:23 rwhitby: only have one system available Feb 24 00:29:53 idontwan2know: you have two logical systems. use a flash key to transfer files between them. Feb 24 00:30:07 ahh Feb 24 00:30:16 idontwan2know you could dual boot linux, you might like it Feb 24 00:30:27 idontwan2know: make sure you add that tip to the wiki page Feb 24 00:30:37 rod, have you tried open ssh on 2.0+? Feb 24 00:30:37 mgschu: I whole heartily agree. Feb 24 00:30:40 rwhitby: I was told that you might have a script that exports text messages off of a device? Feb 24 00:30:47 dkirker1: Save/Restore Feb 24 00:30:49 anyone with a VzPre2 here? Feb 24 00:31:00 rwhitby: Perfect! Just what I thought. :) Feb 24 00:31:04 mgschu: run it on my Pre2 every day Feb 24 00:31:19 mgschu: it's not my box...borrowing someone else's while mine is down Feb 24 00:31:37 idontwan2know: even better, you can leave them a present Feb 24 00:32:03 rhwitby: I imported my old authorized_keys first, no luck Feb 24 00:32:12 generated a new set, still no luck Feb 24 00:32:22 idontwan2know: you could just try it out on a live cd or flash drive. I wouldn't recommend using it for much though Feb 24 00:32:29 I had the same issue with (NDA) Feb 24 00:33:18 ajay_: I haven't had a call yet Feb 24 00:33:57 I've used linux guys, thanks for the conversion attempts, though Feb 24 00:34:21 anybody want to test skype out with me? Feb 24 00:34:53 Can I ask a newb-ish q? Feb 24 00:35:07 Is there anything that is non-reversable in the hybrid pre2? Feb 24 00:35:49 oh weird there are month-old text msgs on my device.. but nothing newer Feb 24 00:36:01 RMind: ? Feb 24 00:38:51 Awesome, everything seems to be working Feb 24 00:41:38 ajay_, ? Feb 24 00:42:09 ajay_, I'm about to test a call... Feb 24 00:42:55 RagingMind: yeah you're down? Feb 24 00:43:56 RagingMind: Oh and you're vz, so we could test pre+TOpre+ calling too! Feb 24 00:44:07 on skype i mean Feb 24 00:44:26 just tested a regular call, I didn't get the hang up call drop thing Feb 24 00:44:35 what's the version of your modem firmware? Feb 24 00:44:35 RagingMind: oh really? hm wonder why i do Feb 24 00:44:41 RagingMind: where do I find that? Feb 24 00:44:55 device info. more info Feb 24 00:45:07 1.6 Feb 24 00:45:14 should be 1.7 huh.. Feb 24 00:45:15 that's the old one that doesn't work Feb 24 00:45:18 yup Feb 24 00:45:31 there is a manual way to update it that doesn't involve redoctoring Feb 24 00:46:00 oh no, telnet is not available on device?! or from ipkg? eek! Feb 24 00:46:01 comfortable with novaterm, handling files, and running linux commands? Feb 24 00:46:21 RagingMind: haha, I think my last statement accidentally answered your question: Yes! :) Feb 24 00:46:34 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash Feb 24 00:47:22 RagingMind: which file? from the verizon.tar? Feb 24 00:47:26 before the firmware update was put into the meta doctor script I was going to do it that way, cause it looks easier to me than trying to finagle the firmware into the right place in a doctor Feb 24 00:48:18 ajay_, in the webos.tar there's a roadrunnercdma_fw.tar Feb 24 00:48:24 roadrunnercmdafw.tar Feb 24 00:48:31 sweet. Feb 24 00:48:33 it's also in an ipkg file in verizon.tar Feb 24 00:48:40 but I don't know if there's a difference Feb 24 00:48:48 md5sum is your friend? Feb 24 00:49:27 and I could test skype, but I don't have it installed at the moment. someone suggested that it might cost $ so I skipped it until I found out Feb 24 00:50:52 hmm... doesn't look to cost anything... 1m while I install Feb 24 00:51:10 does save/restore backup bookmarks? Feb 24 00:51:16 can i bring those with me to 2.1 Feb 24 00:52:34 RagingMind: used diff instead of md5sum, they say same.. ok, md5sum says same too Feb 24 00:54:01 ajay_, you just installed com.skype.app.skypesearchdirectory_1.0-12_armv7.ipk and skyped_1.0-27.5_armv7.ipk ? Feb 24 00:55:15 RagingMind: i installed most things out of the tar, but yes, those included. had to start skyped by hand tho Feb 24 00:55:35 the installed just failed for me Feb 24 00:56:01 RagingMind: just received an incoming skype test call, sounded great! Feb 24 00:56:13 how long will the metadoctor to 2.1.0 take? I have all the things installed but I've sort of got an appointment in a few Feb 24 00:56:26 i don't know how to make skype calls though :) and messaging (IM) doesn't seem to work, but maybe i'm mistaken Feb 24 00:56:33 ajay_, they both fail to install for me Feb 24 00:56:38 torchie: you don't want to rush something like this Feb 24 00:56:59 torchie: allow 4 hours, just in case. Feb 24 00:57:09 four hours? Feb 24 00:57:16 which point in the process? Feb 24 00:57:21 RagingMind: ? weird.. what's the error? and how are you installing? Feb 24 00:57:25 Wow, the app catalog looks far better Feb 24 00:57:40 using palm-install, just like I did for mobile hot spot Feb 24 00:57:53 "palm-install: FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL" Feb 24 00:58:07 you can't install root ipkgs with palm-install Feb 24 00:58:16 rwhitby: any difficulties in getting openssh working? The pre keeps refusing the key Feb 24 00:58:29 mgschu: what does ssh -v and /var/log/messages say? Feb 24 00:59:02 rwhitby, mobile hot spot worked... it's not root? Feb 24 00:59:18 it launches... though I haven't tried turning it on yet Feb 24 01:00:25 * ajay_ needs to receive a skype IM to complete incoming tests.. Feb 24 01:00:41 username? Feb 24 01:00:42 rwhitby: log http://pastebin.com/Uh3BQDBx Feb 24 01:01:25 mgschu: none of that has anything to do with openssh Feb 24 01:01:34 rhwitby: ssh -v http://pastebin.com/tqY5y1Da Feb 24 01:02:22 mgschu: you forgot the other arguments to ssh Feb 24 01:02:51 ajay_, what did you do to install? Feb 24 01:03:07 RagingMind: remount / rw, and used ipkg install Feb 24 01:03:26 hmm Feb 24 01:03:30 http://pastebin.com/8qnPLWcJ Feb 24 01:03:34 man, that usb port is always in need of settling down, what's its deal ! :) Feb 24 01:03:40 to the Nova Term! Feb 24 01:04:11 does skype support offline IMs? Feb 24 01:05:29 every time I leave USB drive mode the Data Transition thing pops up Feb 24 01:05:30 rwhitby: oops. do you want ssh from pc or from phone Feb 24 01:05:40 pc Feb 24 01:05:54 http://pastebin.com/aVGAJ8KA Feb 24 01:07:04 "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key." - fix that on your host. Feb 24 01:08:19 oh skype seems to have died, maybe during the firmware upgrade.. Feb 24 01:09:36 installing skyped from novaterm... success Feb 24 01:11:42 and after that installing "com.skype.app.skypesearchdirectory" from palm install just hangs... no error though Feb 24 01:15:15 ajay_, you just started skyped from the command line? Feb 24 01:15:30 RagingMind: yeah.. pretty ghetto, I know :) Feb 24 01:16:08 I tried that and I got an error referring to Luna and then "Aborted" Feb 24 01:17:25 confirmed, skype 2-way IM'ing is working Feb 24 01:17:58 I doubt I need to install amazon or vznavigator Feb 24 01:18:02 NuttyBunny: now try a call (doesn't matter if I can't hear, i just want to see it in action) Feb 24 01:18:06 ajay_ congrats Feb 24 01:18:44 oh wait, I CAN make an outgoing call! Feb 24 01:19:02 did you install the packages marked sweatshop, palmcustomization, or crotestcastleplus? Feb 24 01:20:00 RagingMind: I played with them, mainly comparing changes.. ignored crotest totally.. palmcustomization i did, but it's a tiny file in etc.. sweatshop. hrmm.. Feb 24 01:20:22 Yep, it works! :D Feb 24 01:20:35 rwhitby: still no luck, same but without that error http://pastebin.com/wYcYDQQH Feb 24 01:20:43 RagingMind: I didn't install palmcust, just copied its contents Feb 24 01:20:46 NuttyBunny: weird Feb 24 01:21:06 NuttyBunny: it tells me you're offline! huh.. Feb 24 01:21:07 it mentioned roadrunner (pre2 I think?) so I avoided that one Feb 24 01:21:38 ajay_: I'll relogin, but I'm pretty sure I'm online Feb 24 01:21:59 that's it, online again Feb 24 01:22:24 mgschu: "Offering public key: /home/mike/.ssh/id_rsa" - why is it offering a public key, not a private key? Feb 24 01:22:46 ajay_: and you still appear offline Feb 24 01:23:22 NuttyBunny: yeah i'm sure it's me.. so not perfect (weird) but it works, so that's a good thing.. Feb 24 01:23:56 Yep... mmm... can you relogin on the messaging app? Feb 24 01:24:14 I have no idea. That is the id_rsa that is generated on the Pre, and worked previously. Is that not right? Feb 24 01:24:24 RagingMind: only ./etc/palm/CustomerCareNumber.txt from sweatshop, nothing else seemed important/useful Feb 24 01:25:12 i should say, skype mostly works.. got some strange bugs.. need to talk to someone with a pre2 to see if they have the same issues or not Feb 24 01:25:19 ajay: want to test out flash? Feb 24 01:25:23 snotball007: haha Feb 24 01:25:30 snotball007: it's slow enough already, thanks so much! :) Feb 24 01:26:02 I'm debating on throwing it on there. Everything seems to be working with this test profile Feb 24 01:26:10 ajay_, once verizon updates pre2 to 2.1 it might work better Feb 24 01:26:15 huh, govnah doesn't know my temperature Feb 24 01:26:20 RagingMind: yeah hopefully Feb 24 01:26:29 ajay_, you need a custom kernel for the temp Feb 24 01:26:51 RagingMind: oh.. Feb 24 01:27:41 hmm.. if i didn't know better, i'd say txts+histories are stored in the usb partition! Feb 24 01:27:45 in 2.x Feb 24 01:29:00 and skyped disappeared Feb 24 01:29:07 (from ps) Feb 24 01:29:44 snotball007: any suggestions of a flash site? tried hulu, it said i needed flash Feb 24 01:29:53 voice dialling seems to be present tho, which i wasn't expecting Feb 24 01:30:27 ajay: precentral.net and the podcast Feb 24 01:30:45 And various nerdist.com posts Feb 24 01:30:57 Or somethingawful.com if you're brave and demented Feb 24 01:31:18 rwhitby: I have no idea. That is the id_rsa that is generated on the Pre, and worked previously. Is that not right? Feb 24 01:32:22 snotball007: same thing everyone else reports.. Feb 24 01:33:09 ouch Feb 24 01:33:12 RagingMind: did you get skype goin? Feb 24 01:34:14 nope, when I installed skyped and ran it... it would fail Feb 24 01:34:20 huh Feb 24 01:34:22 and the other package wouldn't install Feb 24 01:34:42 weird Feb 24 01:35:06 I didn't try the com.skype package from ipkg root (on novaterm) Feb 24 01:35:33 RagingMind: what error? maybe its related to one of those 2 small files i copied Feb 24 01:39:02 ajay_, http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/310 Feb 24 01:39:39 RagingMind: what about installing the searcher? Feb 24 01:39:56 that just hangs and never does anything Feb 24 01:40:16 I thought maybe I had to have skyped running first... and then it didn't start Feb 24 01:40:37 RagingMind: weird, both installed w/o incident for me.. weird if we're trying to install the same way Feb 24 01:41:19 that's an assumption Feb 24 01:41:53 as I said... I didn't install the com.skype.app one from the device. I tried using palm-install Feb 24 01:42:08 cause the mobile hotspot worked from palm-install Feb 24 01:42:17 RagingMind: ah Feb 24 01:42:29 and com.skype.app looked like an app to install and I wasn't sure about installing it like skyped Feb 24 01:43:26 i definitely installed them both simultaneouslyu Feb 24 01:44:31 I suppose I can try that Feb 24 01:44:59 without knowing more about ipkg I"m just a bit hesitant, heh Feb 24 01:45:38 and with ipkg Feb 24 01:49:27 ok thats about it.. Feb 24 01:49:34 I guess I just had an odd glitch on the palm side of the 2.1 update. During registration the places where I bought the phone were all in a foreign language Feb 24 01:49:41 I should go out and test my gps Feb 24 01:49:52 Everything else was in English. Odd Feb 24 01:50:46 RagingMind: my gps hasn't been working for like.. a month.. (if it's 2 months, then it started post-opening.. ;^) even VZNav takes _forever_ to acquire Feb 24 01:51:17 ajay: Did you have to doctor to webOS 1.4.0 before you did the 2.1 doctor since it registers as > 1.4.5? Feb 24 01:51:50 I've never paid for vznav so I've just been SOL Feb 24 01:51:58 snotball007: no Feb 24 01:52:42 Still a little nervous about going to my main account Feb 24 01:53:16 snotball007, I'm giving it a few days Feb 24 01:53:20 so OC to 600 MHz is all that's supported yes? Feb 24 01:53:21 noradtux, ping? Feb 24 01:53:28 snotball007: me too.. Feb 24 01:53:29 ajay_, no over clocking at all yet Feb 24 01:53:58 you can select 600 (which is actually the processors designed speed) but Luna will change it back later Feb 24 01:54:15 Hey all, I really need some help here, I can't login into any profile, eaither in 1.4.5 or 2.1.0 (sprint pre) I dont know what else to do, please help Feb 24 01:54:18 the 500MHz is underclocked Feb 24 01:54:24 RagingMind: oh it hasn't changed for me (yet).. hmm.. Feb 24 01:54:55 ajay_, luna automatically bumps it up to 600 when a PDK game is run and then back down to 500 Feb 24 01:54:58 Dang, my system updates isn't working. :-D Feb 24 01:55:02 huh Feb 24 01:55:04 so try launching a 3d app Feb 24 01:55:37 got it.. don't have any of those installed, but i'll keep it in mind Feb 24 01:55:39 ok see ya Feb 24 01:55:57 and this is all just from memory... I could be wrong Feb 24 01:55:59 hmm... Feb 24 01:56:07 he'll figure it out :) Feb 24 01:57:11 rwhitby, and since I installed 2.1 I've been having trouble with preware... it seems to get stuck on the last bit of downloading something a lot until I reboot the phone Feb 24 02:05:34 Hey all, I really need some help here, I can't login into any profile, eaither in 1.4.5 or 2.1.0 (sprint pre) I dont know what else to do, please help Feb 24 02:07:35 mandaman2k: you may need to flash back to an earlier webOS version and OTA update Feb 24 02:08:02 I think Leathal and NuttyBunny have done that a number of times to fix 9.9.9 profiles Feb 24 02:26:36 rwhitby: I tried all the links for sprint and only de 1.4.1.1 still works, could that version, help me? Feb 24 02:27:18 mandaman2k: dunno, I've never done it. Feb 24 02:28:17 rwhitby: let's hope so, or do you might have a earlier version? Feb 24 02:30:23 * Josef_B is testing letahls guide for flash :D Feb 24 02:56:16 Exciting night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 24 02:59:57 2011