**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 25 02:59:57 2011 Feb 25 03:03:03 If i wanted to learn how to create a webos app that plays a internet station, would #webos be the best bet? Feb 25 03:05:51 Hello everyone Feb 25 03:12:15 graywolf336: yes. http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1828 Feb 25 03:13:09 i wish there would be an equilizer for webos Feb 25 03:13:20 i'd love to hear more bass in my music Feb 25 03:13:26 +1 Feb 25 03:13:34 either an api, or a system wide one Feb 25 03:13:40 maybe with the touchpad? Feb 25 03:13:54 api is better :P Feb 25 03:13:55 hey Tibfib dont you make a music player app? Feb 25 03:13:59 xD Feb 25 03:14:03 lol Feb 25 03:14:09 I need c++ to do that Feb 25 03:14:30 chop chop Feb 25 03:14:44 lol Feb 25 03:14:55 so what apps are you guys working on, and are they in the catalog or are they on preware or both? Feb 25 03:14:59 I actually plan on doing that if I can get c++ playback going on Feb 25 03:15:47 * oil works on too many apps to remember to list Feb 25 03:16:44 oil: webos quick install? internalz? Feb 25 03:16:50 do any apps exist that are similar to Camera+ on iOS? Feb 25 03:16:54 yeah, not those two Feb 25 03:18:18 I had a Sprint Pre since the launch, when I was due for an upgrade I switched to Android, but now I'm back to webOS with the Pre 2. Feb 25 03:18:56 * oil still uses his launch sprint pre- Feb 25 03:19:22 the pre 2 is so much faster, more memory, an overall much improved phone Feb 25 03:19:27 albeit a slightly worse camera Feb 25 03:20:04 * oil just licked to seal an envelope and now can't get that taste out of his mouth Feb 25 03:21:16 * brofkand should invent bacon flavored adhesive for envelopes Feb 25 03:21:25 * oil would buy them Feb 25 03:21:43 I've actually seen mint flavored adhesive Feb 25 03:22:12 many envelopes nowadays are peel-and-stick though Feb 25 03:22:21 its one of those no-postage-necessary return-mail envelopes Feb 25 03:24:01 what does everyone use to sync media onto their phone? Feb 25 03:24:31 mediamonkey Feb 25 03:25:13 it's a Windows app though. Feb 25 03:25:32 I'm a Mac user. I've been using Songbird, and it works OK, but I miss the days of the Pre working in iTunes Feb 25 03:26:26 hmm doubletwist might be for mac.. not sure Feb 25 03:26:45 it is, but for some reason it's not playing well with the latest versions of iTunes Feb 25 03:28:00 * oil uses usb drive copy/paste xD Feb 25 03:28:16 I would love to be able to do that, but I am beholden to iTunes Feb 25 03:28:22 haha! Feb 25 03:28:29 and there isn't really another good jukebox software for Mac honestly Feb 25 03:28:34 no Winamp, media monkey, etc. Feb 25 03:28:48 thats just how apple likes it Feb 25 03:29:50 i bet so :) Feb 25 03:31:16 lol Mac user Feb 25 03:32:33 lol Windows user Feb 25 03:32:34 and now with their app store for macs, they probably wont allow any competing products in it Feb 25 03:32:42 just like they di with ios Feb 25 03:32:46 do* Feb 25 03:43:02 at the end of the day, we use what we like, right? Feb 25 03:43:13 Nobody would be here if they didn't like webOS better than the alternatives Feb 25 03:45:48 man, there's never been good jukebox software for OSX Feb 25 03:46:03 I agree Feb 25 03:46:11 and the Mac App Store is a steaming pile of unpoliced crap with a few good gems Feb 25 03:46:55 it is definitely not unpoliced Feb 25 03:47:18 but the problem is app developers (and Apple) are trying to make it a carbon copy of the iOS app store Feb 25 03:47:21 and that won't work Feb 25 03:47:36 iOS app store: "you can't use this icon because it's too similar to other Apple icons" Feb 25 03:47:43 brofkand: I thought pre2 had a higher resolution camera? is it worse in other ways? Feb 25 03:47:51 Mac App Store: "you ripped off all the iOs icons in your app? GO HOG WIIIIIIILD" Feb 25 03:48:16 It has a higher res camera, but more noise Feb 25 03:48:31 the Sprint Pre has an excellent camera, especially for the time it was released Feb 25 03:48:42 I am interested to see the Pre 3's camera performance Feb 25 03:49:13 the Veer's camera is surprisingly good for being fixed focus Feb 25 03:49:22 whatever "enhanced depth of field" means... is pretty cool Feb 25 03:50:00 enhanced depth of field means hyperfocal distance Feb 25 03:50:05 at least in my book Feb 25 03:50:21 not sure how you'd get a hyperfocal in a fixed focus lense but :Q Feb 25 03:50:36 Well, it's a very wide angle first of all Feb 25 03:50:56 playing with the Veer, it was getting some pretty good shots... When you could get the camera app working Feb 25 03:50:59 the lens is fixed at 3 meters to infinity, for example Feb 25 03:51:18 it is fixed at the distance at which the most possible is in focus Feb 25 03:51:28 when did you play with the veer? Feb 25 03:51:45 they had like, 12 of them out at the Feb 9th Dev event Feb 25 03:51:55 oh ok Feb 25 03:52:10 did you play with the Pre 3 and TouchPad as well? Feb 25 03:52:14 wouldn Feb 25 03:52:18 er, wouldn't let us Feb 25 03:52:22 just the Veer Feb 25 03:54:05 oh ok Feb 25 03:54:07 is it too small? Feb 25 03:54:14 no, it's awesome Feb 25 03:54:23 cool. I think my mom would love it Feb 25 03:54:24 makes the Pixi look big Feb 25 03:58:19 SineOt, its only smaller than the pixi in 1 of 3 dimensions Feb 25 03:59:11 is HP giving pre2's to every developer? regardless if they have developed an app or not? Feb 25 03:59:14 PuffTheMagic: hence why I said "makes" not "is" Feb 25 03:59:30 SineOt, but it really doesnt Feb 25 04:03:14 you can't talk to puffy about the pixi Feb 25 04:03:22 xD Feb 25 04:03:31 he <3's it too much Feb 25 04:04:01 Veer > Pixi, I WENT THERE Feb 25 04:04:19 That's just like, your opinion man. Feb 25 04:04:31 Some people may like a candybar style phone better. Personal preference Feb 25 04:04:43 SineOt, nothing with a slider is better than the pixi Feb 25 04:05:26 I gotta agree with Sine. and I wanted a pixi for the longest time. Feb 25 04:05:54 geeksquadkid, and? Feb 25 04:05:56 * oil always thought the pixi was ugly and dumb Feb 25 04:06:02 but after playing with one its really a nice device Feb 25 04:06:07 oil, u are ugly and dumb Feb 25 04:06:08 except the screen is too small Feb 25 04:06:25 oil, screen is fine, i needs more ram Feb 25 04:06:27 and its kb is > all the others Feb 25 04:06:38 definitely. the Pixi keyboard is the best Feb 25 04:06:39 oil, clickyness > size Feb 25 04:07:14 HP seriously need to make a pixi2 with with more horesepower Feb 25 04:07:18 puff: I. will. fight you. (anchorman reference) Feb 25 04:07:28 the Pixi is nice, yeah, but after playing with the Veer, well Feb 25 04:07:33 Veer supremacy Feb 25 04:07:34 * PuffTheMagic busts out saber on his pixi Feb 25 04:07:36 its 25,600 less pixels! Feb 25 04:07:39 i need those pixels Feb 25 04:07:46 oil: ZOMG Feb 25 04:08:06 oil, thats 2 lines of text, bfd Feb 25 04:08:18 Veer > Pixi > Pre3 > Pre2 > Pre+ > Pre- Feb 25 04:08:19 it feels much smaller Feb 25 04:08:21 25,600 pixels!! Feb 25 04:08:37 SineOt: is it bad that my current phone is to the very right of your list there?\ Feb 25 04:08:38 haha Feb 25 04:08:44 the Veer is greater than the Pre 3? Feb 25 04:08:53 yes Feb 25 04:08:54 so is the pixi Feb 25 04:08:55 yes it is Feb 25 04:08:56 :O Feb 25 04:08:57 and its never getting 2.x Feb 25 04:09:32 Pixi gets points just for the formfactor Feb 25 04:09:34 2.1 seemed clean & snappy... til i added 9 accounts Feb 25 04:09:37 SO TAKE THAT! Feb 25 04:09:43 now it's so sluggish Feb 25 04:09:51 9 accounts? Feb 25 04:09:52 jeez Feb 25 04:09:53 must... have... govnah Feb 25 04:10:10 well Feb 25 04:10:10 has working sprint service been achieved with 2.1? Feb 25 04:10:11 oil, not having 2.x does not change its awesomeness Feb 25 04:10:15 govnah works perfectly fine on 2.x Feb 25 04:10:25 a kernel for govnah to control is a whole nother story Feb 25 04:10:27 geeksquadkid: yeah Feb 25 04:10:46 yea... 2gmail, 2yahoo, 1MSN, FB, LinkedIn, hotmail, exchange Feb 25 04:10:58 geeksquadkid: yep, i got it done today Feb 25 04:11:00 take the 2 yahoo and throw them out the window Feb 25 04:11:15 :D yay! I'm just too lazy to go through all 958 posts so I'll wait till it's got it's own thread. Feb 25 04:11:29 they're email-only checking once every 24hr Feb 25 04:11:37 one is messenger though.. hm Feb 25 04:12:23 geeksquadkid: it's got its own page at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Feb 25 04:12:34 and youtube video at youtube.com/webosinternals Feb 25 04:12:49 I have absolutely no clue why my Ubuntu laptop is being retarded so I just installed it inside Windows. Not the ideal way to make this happen but w/e. Feb 25 04:13:40 :o Feb 25 04:14:04 djwhitey: from what I can tell, even when we write wiki pages such as that, some people feel the need to go and write a plain text document guide attached to another thread. Feb 25 04:14:30 why they choose to increase entropy rather than just updating the wiki page, I do not know. Feb 25 04:14:55 and it is guaranteed that if the process changes, they won't go back and update their guide ... Feb 25 04:15:10 rwhitby: why mediawiki over foswiki? just curious... i looked into both a while back for a work project Feb 25 04:15:17 rwhitby: that's just how it happens on the intarwebz. Feb 25 04:15:28 djwhitey: we created that server before foswiki existed Feb 25 04:15:38 oh ok Feb 25 04:16:27 artitumis: I suspect it has to do with the "Thanks" button on forum posts. Feb 25 04:16:50 lol Feb 25 04:17:00 rwhitby: from on my phone the wiki won't always work. neither will the forums for that matter. the wiki is sooo much easier tho xD Feb 25 04:17:06 rwhitby: very true. didn't think of that. i would thank them for just pointing to the fraking wiki before attaching a plain text doc. Feb 25 04:17:11 * oil always laughs at the "CLICK THIS BUTTON OVER ------------------------------------------------ HERE \/" signatures Feb 25 04:17:50 i rarely even visit the forums anymore. only when somone links a thread that would be of use to me. i'm sick of the negativity that oozes from most of them. Feb 25 04:18:04 * oil views threads he created or are for his app Feb 25 04:18:15 but i rarely go looking through other forums or threads Feb 25 04:18:22 complaints about not getting updates when we think we should. complaints that hp/palm did something they think is wrong. Feb 25 04:18:51 complaints that overclocking/patching/whatever bricked their phone. that has to be my biggest pet peeve. most of them have absolutely no clue what they're doing. Feb 25 04:19:00 rwhitby: I bought preware homebrew thing. now I keep opening it instead of preware -.- Feb 25 04:19:05 joel spolsky (stackoverflow) wrote up a pretty good article about repetitive questions & the internet: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2011/01/05.html Feb 25 04:19:19 geeksquadkid: yeah, you gotta put it on another page xD Feb 25 04:19:39 and i'll be the first to admit that i get myself in trouble when i start messing with the phone in linux but i READ documentation provided by y'all and have a strong grasp on computing. Feb 25 04:23:21 dear lord why are my download speeds in the meta script jumping around from 71k/s to 1.2m/s and everywhere in between? either palm is being ridiculous or my isp is having issues... Feb 25 04:26:18 rwhitby: is there something wrong w/ adding the testing feeds in 2.1? i go to add webos-testing-all & the circle just spins & spins... have tried rebooting Feb 25 04:26:18 anyone on that can give insight into getting into the linphone alpha? Feb 25 04:28:19 plem: what's your device and SIP provider? Feb 25 04:28:41 it is a sprint pre minus and want to test with my home asterisk server Feb 25 04:28:49 djwhitey: dunno, I haven't actually tested the testing feeds on 2.1 yet Feb 25 04:29:05 was gonna try & grab freeTether Feb 25 04:29:12 plem: see /msg and report in the precentral thread Feb 25 04:29:25 ok Feb 25 04:30:24 rwhitby: this is silly but am i /msg'ing you? Feb 25 04:31:01 sorry i got it Feb 25 04:31:53 rwhitby: unzip: cannot find zipfile directory in one of webosdoctorp101ewwverizonwireless-1.4.5.jar Feb 25 04:32:14 did the scripts get changed to run from the scripts folder, or do you still have to run via the meta-doctor root folder Feb 25 04:33:16 okay. 2.1 is flashing onto my sprint pre. let's see how this goes. Feb 25 04:34:12 rwhitby: looks like wget pulled a corrupt version somehow, disregard! Feb 25 04:35:50 artitumis: if it comes up and gives you grief about "activation error" & you arne't able to sign into your profile - flash back to the stock 1.4.5 rom (it's in meta-doctor/downloads), then without signing into your profile, flash back to 2.1.0 Feb 25 04:36:22 this happened to me and 2 others that i know of Feb 25 04:36:28 just fyi Feb 25 04:36:34 djwhitey: i've never signed into my profile on this pre. i picked it up this evening for the express reason of testing 2.1. it'll be a wifi only device. Feb 25 04:36:54 only problem is i haven't figured out if i'll be able to sign into a profile at all since it isn't activated on a cell network. Feb 25 04:38:59 how did you create your doctor? did you use BYPASS_ACTIVATION = 1? Feb 25 04:39:31 or did you just run the meta-sprint script? Feb 25 04:40:01 used the script rwhitby made. dude. bypass activation is prolly set to 0, isn't it? Feb 25 04:40:06 if the latter, i have a feeling you'll get stuck after selecting language Feb 25 04:40:07 yes Feb 25 04:40:12 dammit. Feb 25 04:40:13 hrm. Feb 25 04:40:36 is there another way to bypass activation and still get to the app cat? Feb 25 04:40:43 hello everyone.. this looks t obe a rather exciting time :) Feb 25 04:40:51 howdy benklop_ Feb 25 04:40:57 hi benklop_ Feb 25 04:41:09 artitumis: i don't think so Feb 25 04:41:28 djwhitey: it'd be real nice if palm allowed creating and signing into a profile over wifi from the get go. Feb 25 04:41:34 or is that a carrier issue? Feb 25 04:41:54 i'd edit line 71 of meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 to add BYPASS_ACTIVATION=1 before the word "all" Feb 25 04:42:16 so i've been going through the various dozens of posts in the forums about meta-doctoring to 2.1.0 - i just have a few items i'd like clarification on.. Feb 25 04:42:23 okay. i'll have to let this flash finish, edit the script, and then reflash. Feb 25 04:42:26 dozens of pages 0of posts i mean Feb 25 04:42:42 also: you're not gonna be able to sign into your profile, because you won't have a net connection Feb 25 04:42:51 so you'll be stuck in the first_use app Feb 25 04:43:06 mostly, is it yet possible to use an existing 1.4.5 profile with a sprint pre- running 2.1? Feb 25 04:43:11 bypassing activation and then enabling the first use app should do the trick, though. Feb 25 04:43:41 benklop_: check out http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade. Step 2 talks about your profile. Feb 25 04:43:42 i havn't seen any comments addressing that question directly Feb 25 04:43:42 benklop_: yes, we're doing that now Feb 25 04:44:09 djwhitey: by tricking it to think you're running 1.4.5, or ? Feb 25 04:44:14 yes Feb 25 04:44:17 ok Feb 25 04:44:17 masquerading Feb 25 04:44:26 so can't actually get 2.0 apps Feb 25 04:44:35 yeah. there are only 2 right now anyway. Feb 25 04:44:37 corect Feb 25 04:44:50 s/correct/corect Feb 25 04:45:27 one of the devs who has a 2.0-only app opened it back up to us fakers though i think Feb 25 04:45:30 nice. honestly that prospect doesn't bother me as much as preware not being able to get 2.0 patches Feb 25 04:46:07 dude. 2.0 patch to replace the palm boot logo is a MUST. Feb 25 04:47:03 the only patch that is a must for me is keyboard brightness 100%... that just gets freakin annoying Feb 25 04:47:27 i've never messed with the keyboard brightness patches. never felt the need to. Feb 25 04:47:36 * rwhitby bbl Feb 25 04:47:44 later rwhitby Feb 25 04:47:59 i use my pre in the dark all the time, and i like to turn down the screen so its not blindingly bright. then i cant see the keyboard Feb 25 04:48:11 benklop_: ah. got ya. Feb 25 04:49:43 * artitumis laughs Feb 25 04:49:54 okay so after selecting the language it pops "Activation Error" Feb 25 04:50:23 You may need to activate your phone by going to . You'll need your HEX MEID: When you are sure that you have activated your phone, try again. Feb 25 04:50:45 hmm. i tried to change my boot logo by pushing a prethemer ipk to the pre w/ wosqi... still see hp logo Feb 25 04:50:54 am I misunderstanding preware's behavior with masquerading? Feb 25 04:51:01 yea: you're in the activation stage Feb 25 04:51:13 ah, n/m, i just noticed that the masq. caveat mentions remoing the fiel Feb 25 04:51:16 i was in it until 3am this morning & gave up Feb 25 04:51:53 s/fiel/file Feb 25 04:52:17 all the strings on 71 look just like the make file where you set your prefs for meta doc. i should be able to enable the first use app and then sign into my profile from there. Feb 25 04:52:43 artitumis: be aware though, if you don't have a net connection, you won't be able to sign in Feb 25 04:52:56 wifi Feb 25 04:52:58 i think you should look into autoloading wifi profile as well Feb 25 04:53:14 because you can't connect to wifi in that first_use app Feb 25 04:53:26 bypass activation takes you straight into the os.... Feb 25 04:53:44 you can select and input wifi key from there then run first use app. Feb 25 04:53:52 right? Feb 25 04:54:42 yes Feb 25 04:54:56 bypass_first_use_app will take me straight to the os. Feb 25 04:54:58 but you need to also # BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP Feb 25 04:55:00 i had it wrong. Feb 25 04:55:18 bypass_both! Feb 25 04:55:38 got them in there already. Feb 25 04:57:31 # Bypassing activation may prevent you from creating a Palm profile. Feb 25 04:57:39 ugh. I need to create another Palm profile. Feb 25 05:03:00 hola people Feb 25 05:03:11 halfhalo: hola Feb 25 05:03:30 hola halfhalo Feb 25 05:03:44 * artitumis is taking a smoke break. Feb 25 05:07:22 doctor is running with the bypass options. Feb 25 05:13:00 is anyone on here? Feb 25 05:13:16 nobody Feb 25 05:13:23 he Feb 25 05:20:17 djwhitey: modified doctor finished. phone rebooting. fingers are crossed. Feb 25 05:20:28 hay Feb 25 05:20:30 i'm rooting for you Feb 25 05:20:36 PatrickC_Pre: hey Feb 25 05:20:39 PatrickC_Pre: hay is for horses Feb 25 05:20:53 =) Feb 25 05:21:26 lol Feb 25 05:23:39 djwhitey: are you running 2.1 on your everyday phone? Feb 25 05:23:46 yea Feb 25 05:23:58 it's a lil sluggish now that all my accounts are syncing toit Feb 25 05:24:07 s/to it/toit Feb 25 05:25:59 hrm. first use app didn't become unhidden. Feb 25 05:26:23 My Pre+ with webOS 2.1 doesn't seem to like Preware. Everytime I do a Luna restart it shows it as updating, and I cannot launch it... Have to re-install... Feb 25 05:26:53 delete it then install w/ wosqi Feb 25 05:27:08 mine has been working fine though Feb 25 05:27:10 that might be it, actually Feb 25 05:27:34 I think I installed with palm-install (Silly developer, palm-install isn't for Preware...) Feb 25 05:27:45 dkirker1: heh Feb 25 05:27:50 haha Feb 25 05:28:18 actually i believe that's how rwhitby recommended installing it Feb 25 05:28:43 preware installs fine with palm-install Feb 25 05:28:58 Well, my Pre doesn't like it... Feb 25 05:29:25 and it is pissing me off, because one day I am going to need it, and not be near my computer... Feb 25 05:29:37 mmm... I installed 1.5.0, try with that, and then upgrade Feb 25 05:29:51 I love all the patches that have already been ported Feb 25 05:29:53 NuttyBunny: That's the process that I have had to do each time. Feb 25 05:30:01 thanks rwhitby! Feb 25 05:30:36 dkirker1: By any chance you used save/restore to restore the Preware database? Feb 25 05:30:50 NuttyBunny: It might have, actually... Feb 25 05:31:22 although, I think Save/Restore didn't actually restore a single thing I had backed up... Feb 25 05:31:41 mmm... look for in in the precentral thread, I think you have to delete the preware database Feb 25 05:31:50 it only restores the data, not the applications Feb 25 05:31:59 yeah Feb 25 05:32:02 once you restore the applications, it can restore the data to them Feb 25 05:32:09 what up all Feb 25 05:32:11 it worked with mine Feb 25 05:32:35 though it gave me an "Archive not restored" type error when I ran it after webOS had downloaded all of my apps :/ Feb 25 05:32:49 I might have to try it again Feb 25 05:32:59 maybe... it sounds weird :S Feb 25 05:33:06 yeah Feb 25 05:33:08 you know Feb 25 05:33:16 I wonder if one of these partitions are wonky Feb 25 05:33:26 I also keep getting some error about the app database being almost full Feb 25 05:33:31 correct me if I'm wrong to copy a link its gesture +option Feb 25 05:33:54 was that a patch for 1.4.5 ? Feb 25 05:35:12 I cant copy any link Feb 25 05:36:00 it is meta-option Feb 25 05:36:07 I use it all the time Feb 25 05:37:28 same as guesture right ? Feb 25 05:37:47 meta click is when you tap right ? Feb 25 05:39:20 meta = gesture Feb 25 05:39:38 how in the hell do you install preware with v4 of wqi? damn it's changed since i last used it... Feb 25 05:39:47 hold gesture, click option button Feb 25 05:39:51 and what in the hell happen to the tweaks menu? Feb 25 05:40:00 artitumis, download ipk :) Feb 25 05:40:51 Well, the browser server says that Flash is working, but the Browser does not... Settings allow Flash, but require me to start it... Feb 25 05:42:38 there is no "Auto Load Flash Content" Feb 25 05:43:59 PatrickC_Pre: you can't meta+option and click a link .. there was a patch that let you option click and it would say copy link Feb 25 05:44:10 is it very unnormal to lose data after doctoring down to a previous version? Feb 25 05:44:19 is it option-click? Feb 25 05:44:29 what data did you lose? Feb 25 05:44:41 Sprint - went down to 1.0.2 and lost data (wanted to wipe the drive clean before metadoctoring to 2.1) Feb 25 05:44:44 data connection* Feb 25 05:44:45 sorry Feb 25 05:44:58 went to 1.0.2? Feb 25 05:45:05 I think it is the signature for the flash plugins being invalid... Feb 25 05:45:22 yeah to something below 1.2 (which wiped the usb drive clean, completely fresh) Feb 25 05:45:38 hmmm. I really don't know.... Feb 25 05:45:41 sorry Feb 25 05:45:54 and then i doctored to 2.1 (which worked, but no data), then to 1.4.5 (no data again), and now im skipping first use to see if activating through wifi will be fine. Feb 25 05:46:20 thanks patrick, anyone else have an idea of what I can do to get a data connection back after a doctor? Feb 25 05:47:30 PatrickC_Pre: its still option click on websites ... just not in wirc Feb 25 05:49:32 is there any way to force the first use app to show in 2.1? Feb 25 05:50:31 artitumis: do you want it on or not ? Feb 25 05:50:56 joebpre: i had to bypass activation and first use to turn on wifi since this phone isn't activated. Feb 25 05:51:10 aw Feb 25 05:51:10 joebpre: so i need to run it now to see if i can get signed into a palm profile. Feb 25 05:51:32 artitumis, check: Gesture Tutorial Feb 25 05:52:20 you need to activate for palm profile if I'm correct Feb 25 05:52:22 PatrickC_Pre: Black screen now with the banner up top. NOthing else going on. Feb 25 05:52:39 ahh. I had that problem... Feb 25 05:52:49 did you install Arthur Thorton's patch? Feb 25 05:53:55 which patch? Feb 25 05:54:04 check preware Feb 25 05:54:10 having to reboot. Feb 25 05:54:12 I think its in there Feb 25 05:54:13 ok Feb 25 05:54:52 what is this patch named? Feb 25 05:55:04 lemme check Feb 25 05:57:43 I didnt find it in Preware Feb 25 05:57:52 checking Google for a link now Feb 25 05:58:11 rgr Feb 25 05:59:25 knickrox13, can you check the modem firmware version? Feb 25 05:59:50 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/269972-patch-enable-profile-creation-activation-bypassed-device-1-4-5-a-2.html#post2800116 Feb 25 06:00:16 there you go artitumis Feb 25 06:01:24 RagingMind - yeah, I can. I'm getting data connection error 67 now (I'm on to 2.1.0 on Sprint and bypassed first use) Feb 25 06:01:45 RagingMind - how can I check the modem firmware number? i'm assuming its a ## code in the phone app Feb 25 06:03:02 PatrickC_Pre: thanks, installing now. Feb 25 06:03:10 ok and no problem Feb 25 06:03:33 PatrickC_Pre: failed... Feb 25 06:03:42 failed? how Feb 25 06:04:44 PatrickC_Pre: ERROR: An error occurred while attempting to apply all.patch. 1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app/firstuse/app/controlelrs/app-assistant.js.rej Feb 25 06:05:02 hmmm Feb 25 06:05:05 1 second Feb 25 06:05:12 knickrox13, the "Device Info" app then "more info" Feb 25 06:05:41 RC1.7(557) Feb 25 06:06:01 artitumis: is that an *exact* copy of the error? Feb 25 06:06:02 okay, so that updated fine Feb 25 06:06:18 should my msid be my phone number? Feb 25 06:06:23 cause its close..but not my phone number lol Feb 25 06:06:23 no Feb 25 06:06:25 oh okay Feb 25 06:06:37 prl 60664 Feb 25 06:06:46 i havent figure out how to update that via 2.1 Feb 25 06:06:52 or network settings either for that matter Feb 25 06:06:57 for those settings you'd have to call sprint and have one of their tech check it for you Feb 25 06:07:20 really palm got rid of that for a user to update? Feb 25 06:07:36 just spotted a typo. Feb 25 06:07:52 controllers is misspelled in the file string. Feb 25 06:08:01 yea, it should be "com.palm.app.*firstuse*" Feb 25 06:08:13 not "com.palm.app/firstuse" Feb 25 06:08:14 yes. that too Feb 25 06:08:59 anyone want to help me in some mojo decoding over on the #webos channel? Feb 25 06:09:12 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/app/controllers/app-assistant.js.rej Feb 25 06:09:39 take the ".rej" off and it *should* work Feb 25 06:09:55 do what now? Feb 25 06:10:29 ok. is that the only error? Feb 25 06:10:37 yup. only one shown. Feb 25 06:10:49 was the typo on your part? or the ipk part? Feb 25 06:11:15 wait, did you try to modify any files to make it so you could activate over wifi? Feb 25 06:11:29 typos were me. Feb 25 06:11:38 ok Feb 25 06:11:39 and i bypassed activation and bypassed first use. Feb 25 06:12:05 did you use the Palm given tools to bypass activation? Feb 25 06:12:39 modified the meta-doctor script when flashing 2.1 on here. Feb 25 06:13:01 well, I have no clue then Feb 25 06:13:11 I have only used it with official doctors Feb 25 06:14:06 okay i have an idea, but need some help getting it to work. Feb 25 06:14:22 whats the idea? Feb 25 06:14:36 reflash again with bypass activation and load wifi profiles so it launches me into first use. Feb 25 06:14:56 what do i need to do to load the wifi profiles so it connects when first use launches? Feb 25 06:15:10 what about, reflash and use the palm tool to bypass activation? Feb 25 06:15:30 but won't that keep me out of the app catelog? Feb 25 06:15:42 catalog* Feb 25 06:15:43 I don't think so Feb 25 06:15:55 rwhitby: ping! Feb 25 06:16:21 oil: ping! Feb 25 06:16:44 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 Feb 25 06:17:01 App Catalog content will not be available. You will be able to launch the App Catalog client on the device, but you won't see any apps. Feb 25 06:17:05 * NuttyBunny greets everyone Feb 25 06:17:17 NuttyBunny: wb Feb 25 06:17:34 but once you activate over wifi, then you get app catalog access Feb 25 06:17:42 PatrickC_Pre: ? Feb 25 06:17:45 I used it on my Pre+ 3 or 4 times Feb 25 06:17:54 never mine oil, I figured it out :) Feb 25 06:17:56 I think Feb 25 06:18:32 okay so revert the 2.1 script back to stock and then what? Feb 25 06:18:37 flash Feb 25 06:19:02 once it is moded for your service provider Feb 25 06:19:07 oil: ping again :) Feb 25 06:19:15 lemme check with one person first ;) Feb 25 06:19:20 nodnod Feb 25 06:20:35 drunknbass: do you know anything about the meta-doctor and 2.1? Feb 25 06:21:15 ? Feb 25 06:21:28 I misread "dumbass"... sorry ;) Feb 25 06:21:38 NuttyBunny: i do every time. Feb 25 06:21:56 hehehe Feb 25 06:22:22 ok, aetitumis wants app catalog access, so can he use the stock 2.1 ROM (modded for Carier of course) Feb 25 06:22:37 and then use the Palm provided activation bypass? Feb 25 06:22:53 important note is the phone i'm doing this on is NOT activated. Feb 25 06:23:02 but then use Arthur Thorton's actvate over wifi? Feb 25 06:23:19 have u/anyone at webOS Internals done it? Feb 25 06:23:39 figured artitumis :) Feb 25 06:23:51 did I make since oil? Feb 25 06:24:10 last time i tried their bypass tool it didn't work with 2x Feb 25 06:24:29 but i always use metadoc to bypass everything Feb 25 06:24:50 and enable app catalog access on unactivated devices? Feb 25 06:32:05 If I'm a sprint pre minus user running 2.1.0 and my data's not working, is it okay to reflash my phone through webosinternals instructions to the firmware from sprints 1.4.5 doctor? Feb 25 06:32:26 reflash my phone's modem ** Feb 25 06:32:35 i'm looking here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash Feb 25 06:33:20 not sure Feb 25 06:35:38 how can i check what the output of that error i gave you was? Feb 25 06:36:21 try a re-instal Feb 25 06:36:38 i've tried three or four times name. keeps spitting the same error. Feb 25 06:36:41 or install via Preware on-device and email me the IPKG log Feb 25 06:36:50 lemme close wqi, reopen, and see what that does. Feb 25 06:36:56 ok Feb 25 06:37:33 yeah still being retarded. Feb 25 06:38:05 hmmm. Feb 25 06:38:26 haeffb_ always has the answers, right :p Feb 25 06:43:45 well, its time for bed Feb 25 06:43:47 artitumis... you say your phone is NOT activated and you want app cat access?? Feb 25 06:43:54 sorry artitumis I can't help Feb 25 06:43:59 NuttyBunny: yes, sir. Feb 25 06:44:11 PatrickC_Pre: thank you for trying. i do appreciate. Feb 25 06:44:18 never activated? or was activated sometime before? Feb 25 06:44:25 nuttybunny, I work on an unactivated device with app cat access Feb 25 06:44:45 it was once activated by someone else. i bought it this evening. Feb 25 06:45:03 ah, ok... gsm or cdma? Feb 25 06:45:24 nuttybunny, I was about to ask that lol Feb 25 06:45:26 cdma Feb 25 06:45:37 well, goodnight, you are in good hands artitumis ;) Feb 25 06:45:37 sprint pre- Feb 25 06:45:46 PatrickC_Pre: good night to you as well. Feb 25 06:46:04 have fun ;) Feb 25 06:47:13 my thought was to reflash with just bypass activation and load wifi profiles so it'll connect to the net. then create a new palm profile. Feb 25 06:47:20 not quite ready to put 2.1 on my main phone. Feb 25 06:48:04 yes, good idea. Do you have a data connection on it or you plan on using it over wifi? Feb 25 06:48:17 no data connection. just wifi Feb 25 06:50:30 what I do is, once you are on the profile screen tap the phone icon, tap call emergency and the phone appears, erase the 911 and "dial" ##devmode# Feb 25 06:50:42 it's #*devmode# on gsm Feb 25 06:51:06 I think the number is actually ##3386633# ot something like that Feb 25 06:51:21 will that then take you sign in with a palm profile or does it skip that completely? Feb 25 06:51:49 I don't remember, try it and we'll take it from there Feb 25 06:51:58 okay let me reflah Feb 25 06:52:59 it's rebuilding the 2.1 doctor. Feb 25 06:53:29 if it skips the first use app, then you should be able to connect to the wifi network, and after that you can connect via novaterm, erase a file and reboot Feb 25 06:54:02 you don't need to rebuild the doctor everytime, I think it saves it under the build folder :) Feb 25 06:54:25 looks like it's replacing the build image. Feb 25 06:55:04 doesn't take very long for my 3.2 ghz quad core to rebuild the image anyway Feb 25 06:55:20 webos doc has launched. Feb 25 06:55:43 flashing now. Feb 25 06:57:13 anyway, the file (s) you would erase is(are) /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use and first-use-profile-created , and then reboot again. Your Pre should now connect to your wifi network and present you with the profile login screen Feb 25 06:58:58 so, in short: 1. The palm profile page appears, tap phone and dial ##devmode#, 2. Enter devmode and reboot, 3. Connect to wifi net, 4. Delete files with novaterm, 5. reboot, 6. palm profile page appears again, but now with wifi on Feb 25 07:01:04 grr it disconnected during the flash. not cool. Feb 25 07:06:48 NuttyBunny: okay, now it's going Feb 25 07:07:02 ok Feb 25 07:09:42 anyone used this to get flash going on 2.1? http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/276703-how-get-flash-legacy-devices-2-1-0-a-3.html Feb 25 07:10:52 djwhitey: me, but with some modifications :S Feb 25 07:11:03 that'll be something i look at doing once i can get app cat working on this one. Feb 25 07:11:38 how is the ACID3 conformance in 2.1? Feb 25 07:12:16 doesn't seem to be taking for me. wosqi flat out won't install the ipk i made. preware will, but doesn't seem to do anything Feb 25 07:12:36 what'd you have to change NuttyBunny? Feb 25 07:12:50 on a similar note, has anybody run any JavaScript benchmarks? dromaeo or the likes? Feb 25 07:13:25 mmm... the verification check and the source folder in the postinst script Feb 25 07:14:15 I may post it tomorrow, it's now 1:15 am here :) Feb 25 07:14:23 same here Feb 25 07:14:25 add an hour for me. :D Feb 25 07:14:37 and i have to be at work in 5 hours. heh Feb 25 07:14:40 artitumis: how's that going along? Feb 25 07:14:46 NuttyBunny: 64% Feb 25 07:14:50 ok Feb 25 07:18:48 NuttyBunny: Done. Rebooting. Feb 25 07:19:32 it should be either ##devmode# or #*devmode# Feb 25 07:19:49 double # for cdma. Saw that on Palm's site. Feb 25 07:22:56 * NuttyBunny awaits results... :) Feb 25 07:25:25 okay so the meta doc already has dev mode active so i had to turn dev mode off, reboot, turn it back on, and now rebooting. we'll see if it skips the activation warning this time. Feb 25 07:27:33 ok, if it doesn't create a /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-app file, use the touch command inside novaterm Feb 25 07:28:10 okay it booted to the os. Feb 25 07:28:42 ok, so, create the wifi network Feb 25 07:29:01 joining. Feb 25 07:29:17 connected. Feb 25 07:29:18 then inside novaterm erase the file (or files if both exist), and reboot Feb 25 07:29:33 gonna have to break that down for me. never did anything in novaterm. Feb 25 07:29:38 you could use the "tellbootie reboot" command Feb 25 07:29:42 ok Feb 25 07:29:49 enter novaterm Feb 25 07:30:12 type: cd /var/luna/preferences Feb 25 07:30:22 type: ls Feb 25 07:31:18 and look for ran-first-use or first-use-profile-created Feb 25 07:31:29 noob time, how do i get into novaterm? and i was doing so good not letting on that i knew half way what i was doing. Feb 25 07:31:30 lol Feb 25 07:31:37 the command to delete them is "rm" Feb 25 07:32:18 oh... sorry, I presumed you had the sdk installed... Feb 25 07:32:21 i do Feb 25 07:32:31 installed it earlier. Feb 25 07:32:58 windows or linux? Feb 25 07:33:04 linux Feb 25 07:33:22 ah, nice, just type novaterm inside a terminal window Feb 25 07:33:38 hell. that was easy. Feb 25 07:34:15 cd, ls, look for the files and delete them Feb 25 07:34:22 remove both first-use-profile-created and ran-first-use, correct? Feb 25 07:34:31 right Feb 25 07:34:47 done Feb 25 07:34:52 tab shortcuts > all Feb 25 07:35:08 yep :) Feb 25 07:35:26 now reboot, right? Feb 25 07:35:30 now, type: tellbootie reboot Feb 25 07:35:36 that's right Feb 25 07:35:49 rebooting Feb 25 07:36:07 it should boot into the activation screen and hopefully connect to wifi Feb 25 07:36:51 note that I've never activated over wifi, but those are the logical steps :) Feb 25 07:38:14 okay, got the spinny, wifi on... Feb 25 07:38:33 * NuttyBunny crosses fingers Feb 25 07:38:43 activatio nerror. Feb 25 07:38:47 er activation error. Feb 25 07:39:27 damn Feb 25 07:40:22 so, perhaps you actually need cell data to activate the phone and get cat access :S Feb 25 07:40:25 but hey, wifi is on! Feb 25 07:40:34 that's kinda crappy. Feb 25 07:40:52 yup. Feb 25 07:41:32 dev mode is still on... Feb 25 07:41:51 check the forums, I think you can activate the phone via web if you have a number with sprint, login to your profile, and return to your current phone Feb 25 07:42:27 i do have a number with sprint. my main pre is sprint. Feb 25 07:42:57 activate the test phone, get a profile created, and then reactive my main pre? Feb 25 07:44:03 that's right, I think that's the way they do it, but of course, don't login with the same profile twice or you'll lose all your data Feb 25 07:44:08 bwahahaha SPRINT FAIL! Feb 25 07:44:18 We're sorry...This seciton of the site is temporarily unavailable. Feb 25 07:44:24 s/twice/at the same time/ Feb 25 07:44:24 NuttyBunny meant: that's right, I think that's the way they do it, but of course, don't login with the same profile at the same time or you'll lose all your data Feb 25 07:44:33 bah, too bad :( Feb 25 07:44:43 thanks for that info, infobot Feb 25 07:44:44 guess it's a sign :) Feb 25 07:45:04 I haveto go Feb 25 07:45:17 sleep at least 4 hours :) Feb 25 07:45:24 awight. thanks for the help! Feb 25 07:46:23 you're welcome, I hope you can activate it later :D Feb 25 07:55:32 * halfhalo yawns Feb 25 09:44:10 You have IRC on your nook? Feb 25 09:44:16 That... Feb 25 09:44:20 That is pure awesome. Feb 25 09:49:24 Hi all =) Feb 25 09:49:43 Would anyone know how to open webos 2.0 ".db" files? Feb 25 09:50:16 If I understand correctly, the previous sqlite format was replaced by these "db8" files. Feb 25 09:50:32 They seem to be couchdb files, but I can't find a way to browse them... Feb 25 09:50:35 Ideas? Feb 25 09:59:14 correction: it seems that they are not couchdb files, but instead palm's own format. Feb 25 09:59:27 Anyone knows how to access them, say from a linux machine? Feb 25 10:32:32 cryptk|offline: Are all app dbs now in the new format or only in the developer chnages the code? Feb 25 10:40:13 hi Feb 25 10:41:50 yo Feb 25 10:42:44 when qt stopped working? Feb 25 10:47:31 pre 2 has qt 4.6.1 preinstalled omg Feb 25 11:37:40 * NuttyBunny looks around... everyone sleeping Feb 25 11:38:03 * NuttyBunny walks with care Feb 25 11:48:36 NuttyBunny: i'm not sleeping Feb 25 11:49:27 NuttyBunny: hey Feb 25 11:49:32 sleeping? Feb 25 11:58:55 hehehe Feb 25 11:59:06 srry, hi :) Feb 25 12:06:47 * NuttyBunny leaves. see ya later! Feb 25 12:07:44 :C Feb 25 12:07:54 * admiral0 is forever alone Feb 25 12:12:44 irony Feb 25 12:13:21 ? Feb 25 12:23:44 * admiral0 is forever alone Feb 25 12:23:44 * NuttyBunny (~wircer@189.136.115.230) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Feb 25 12:23:55 ^^^^ ironic Feb 25 12:25:59 yep Feb 25 12:29:36 i think i managed to tweak webos internals sdk to play well with pre 2 image Feb 25 12:29:45 that is pre 2 rootfs Feb 25 13:34:27 what is oddcore? Feb 25 13:34:38 com.palm.app.oddcore Feb 25 14:42:56 Hi, I would like to be an alpha tester for linphone. Can I get the ipkg file? Feb 25 14:44:36 heyho Feb 25 14:46:56 grep -r -n -s -e "Just type" / Feb 25 14:46:59 :O Feb 25 14:47:42 Oo Feb 25 14:48:03 * admiral0 wants widgets onscreen Feb 25 14:48:10 uh ya =) Feb 25 14:48:14 it should be possible Feb 25 14:48:29 will come with 3.0 me thinks Feb 25 14:49:09 if i find code i'm expecting widgets will be possible for 2.0.1 Feb 25 14:49:32 =D think you'd be a hero if that works^^ Feb 25 14:49:46 but no one is helping me Feb 25 14:50:00 i dont know if i can^ Feb 25 14:50:17 i was answered to as i were a noob -.-' Feb 25 14:50:29 i'm not a linux noob, just a webos one Feb 25 14:50:54 i'm a pretty good C++/python/Qt coder :\ Feb 25 14:51:08 hmm me too^ Feb 25 14:51:13 not qt though Feb 25 14:51:55 ice8lue: have any idea of how homescreen/dashboard/whatever(tm) is displayed Feb 25 14:51:59 ? Feb 25 14:52:24 not really, no Feb 25 14:52:44 the problem is, this is something website like - static Feb 25 14:53:04 not really Feb 25 14:53:14 to have widgets, especially dynamic ones, you will need som JS to get them moveable and so on Feb 25 14:53:22 no moving Feb 25 14:53:38 just like "Just type" input Feb 25 14:53:51 only black transparent Feb 25 14:53:57 hmmm Feb 25 14:54:23 imagine conky-like widget Feb 25 14:54:35 that's what i want Feb 25 14:55:04 if i can hook a div somewhere to get it displayed i'm almost done Feb 25 14:55:04 hmmm Feb 25 14:55:24 i only need to do a plugin to exec bash scripts Feb 25 14:55:43 there's a developer over at the precentral forums who's modding the title bar Feb 25 14:55:51 finally got my other pre :D Feb 25 14:55:55 maybe you should ask him for a point to start Feb 25 14:56:16 top-bar is a different beast if i got it right Feb 25 14:56:42 congrats @dumbledore Feb 25 14:56:45 thanks Feb 25 14:56:51 :D Feb 25 14:56:54 if only i can fix the screen issue... Feb 25 14:57:08 the pre is otherwise mint condition compared to mine Feb 25 14:57:31 ice8lue: i've had my pre 2 for 1 day ony Feb 25 14:57:33 lol Feb 25 14:57:39 and i'm already hacking Feb 25 14:58:00 i'm still waiting on my pre2 Feb 25 14:58:25 hehe Feb 25 14:58:32 i'm a lucky guy Feb 25 14:59:11 dev device? Feb 25 14:59:18 yep Feb 25 14:59:21 me 2 Feb 25 14:59:32 but i'm also using it as a main phone Feb 25 14:59:41 me 2^^ Feb 25 14:59:44 incentive to hack on it Feb 25 15:01:27 what could be a possible reason as to why the screen touches itself Feb 25 15:02:00 it got horny Feb 25 15:02:15 lol Feb 25 15:02:32 pretty horny phone Feb 25 15:02:52 dumbledore Feb 25 15:03:01 yes? Feb 25 15:03:07 oops. had the same issue with mine Feb 25 15:03:11 redoctoring did help Feb 25 15:03:24 how bad was it? Feb 25 15:03:31 mine starts touching as soon as it turns on Feb 25 15:03:57 for me too Feb 25 15:04:02 all over the screen Feb 25 15:04:11 yeah Feb 25 15:04:20 i cant even make a selection Feb 25 15:04:24 ya Feb 25 15:04:29 theres hope :D Feb 25 15:04:38 did it go back to normal after doctor? Feb 25 15:05:04 yap Feb 25 15:05:24 awesome :D Feb 25 15:05:28 i left it turned off without battery for an hour and did doctor it afterwards Feb 25 15:05:41 might try the same Feb 25 15:06:02 first lemme bypass activation to check the comm board Feb 25 15:06:14 it does that again from time to time when connected to one (maybe bad?) usb port on my laptop Feb 25 15:06:39 but only then Feb 25 15:07:06 yeah, i noticed it on my other pixi and pre (non of which have bad screens) Feb 25 15:07:17 it happens when i use an ipod charger Feb 25 15:07:37 ah Feb 25 15:07:45 i think this is a usb problem sometimes Feb 25 15:07:57 maybe Feb 25 15:07:59 also for me, it happens on that port under linux Feb 25 15:08:26 same port, windows (7) it just loads, not being detected as a usb device Feb 25 15:08:42 yeah, probably bad USB port or controller Feb 25 15:10:14 hmm.... my pre has a green sticker, the other has a black sticker Feb 25 15:11:00 where? Feb 25 15:11:14 next to the speaker Feb 25 15:11:19 warranty seal Feb 25 15:13:13 ah ok Feb 25 15:13:21 yup Feb 25 15:16:54 heh, confirmed comm board to be in good condition Feb 25 15:17:58 ice8lue: sorry, but i'm a paranoid person :P you could see your pre making random selections? Feb 25 15:25:45 ~seen rwhitby Feb 25 15:25:48 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 10h 56m 32s, last said: 'plem: see /msg and report in the precentral thread'. Feb 25 15:25:57 mmm... Feb 25 15:27:41 dumbledore: ya Feb 25 15:28:00 awesomee Feb 25 15:28:18 im just gonna skip ahead to doctoring Feb 25 15:28:54 * NuttyBunny loves how everyone is fucktoring their Pre's and Pluses... Feb 25 15:29:05 s/fucktoring/doctoring/ Feb 25 15:29:14 :D Feb 25 15:29:24 lol Feb 25 15:29:34 hey, where's infobot??? Feb 25 15:29:50 over there =====> Feb 25 15:30:01 :3 Feb 25 15:30:11 mmm... I didnt see him making the substitution :S Feb 25 15:31:00 maybe it was turned on? Feb 25 15:31:03 s/on/off/ Feb 25 15:31:03 gkatsev meant: maybe it was turned off? Feb 25 15:31:22 * halfhalo yawns Feb 25 15:31:25 NuttyBunny: oh, it's because it was an action and not a saying. Feb 25 15:31:36 ah! yes! :D hehehe Feb 25 15:32:05 oh sure. now the pre decides to behave when i launch doctor Feb 25 15:32:46 xD Feb 25 15:33:22 still gonna do it anyways :P Feb 25 15:33:36 what's with your pre dumbledore? Feb 25 15:34:00 its extra horny. touches itself everywhere non stop Feb 25 15:35:03 too hot maybe? (literally), my Pre did that, and stopped whenever I let it cool for a while. Also, the screen protection was sending bad siglals so I had to remove it Feb 25 15:35:54 nah. i know heat can cause that, i experienced it with my pixi. but the pre is at normal room temperature. Feb 25 15:42:26 weird.... well, brb.. Feb 25 15:43:26 speaking of weird... doctor wont doctor my phone Feb 25 15:44:31 doctor includes driver for mac and win Feb 25 15:44:42 no novacom for linux Feb 25 15:44:49 palm, wake up dammit Feb 25 15:44:55 yeah, im trying on windows Feb 25 15:45:14 boo Feb 25 15:45:29 aaaaaaaah Feb 25 15:47:40 it keeps saying "Your device is not compatible with this version of Webos Doctor" or something Feb 25 15:51:17 * dumbledore is away: rebooting into ubuntu Feb 25 15:53:30 admiral0: yeah, I patched the novacomd binary once to make it work on pre2 Feb 25 15:54:25 admiral0: there IS novacom for linux available for download from the sdk page and it works on all devices prior to pre2, if you patch the list of usb vendor / product id's it will work with pre2 as well Feb 25 15:55:06 unfortunately palm didn't compile it as static Feb 25 15:55:29 admiral0: why is that a problem? Feb 25 15:55:34 and i have to play with env to use ubuntu libusb Feb 25 15:55:42 ah right ubuntu libusb Feb 25 15:55:56 :\ Feb 25 15:56:31 what has changed in the libusb that arch and suse are using to cause the problem and can you not just replacev your system's libusb entirely? Feb 25 15:56:52 lib names Feb 25 15:56:58 we have 2 libusb Feb 25 15:57:08 1 legacy and one up to date Feb 25 15:57:21 ubuntu uses new names for *legacy* lib Feb 25 15:57:31 so it's ubuntu's fault Feb 25 15:57:55 ubuntu folks just enjoy breaking their system Feb 25 15:57:56 @rwhitby Hi, I would like to be an alpha tester for linphone. Can I get the ipkg file? I use a Palm Pre Plus with webOS 2.1. Feb 25 16:00:11 ~seen rwhitby Feb 25 16:00:21 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 11h 31m 5s, last said: 'plem: see /msg and report in the precentral thread'. Feb 25 16:01:56 * halfhalo is tired from setting stuff up, and he left halfway through! Feb 25 16:01:58 admiral0: so you have to LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something? Feb 25 16:02:13 shouldn't be that bad to put it into the startup script for the daemon Feb 25 16:02:20 what's wrong? :) Feb 25 16:02:37 destinal: yep. i do that Feb 25 16:03:08 admiral0: so do you want my patch to make it work with pre2? I think I can dig it up Feb 25 16:03:34 or at least the offsets to modify in a hex editor Feb 25 16:03:35 i'm already in the early access program Feb 25 16:03:45 ah ok then you should be fine then Feb 25 16:03:47 so i got updated novacom Feb 25 16:03:51 yep Feb 25 16:04:41 destinal: you have a pre 2? Feb 25 16:05:14 admiral0: yeah, I have one of everything basically Feb 25 16:05:19 lol Feb 25 16:05:29 destinal: i've got a couple of questions Feb 25 16:05:44 terminal|| terminus work for you? Feb 25 16:06:28 admiral0: so, neither one works in 2.x yet. both for different reasons though Feb 25 16:06:36 :\ Feb 25 16:06:46 can i help? Feb 25 16:07:07 admiral0: the source code for both is on the git repository if you have c / c++ skills Feb 25 16:07:30 but which are the issues? Feb 25 16:07:38 terminal regularly breaks because of changes to webkit. it's an NPAPI built without any official specs for palm's extensions to the specification Feb 25 16:07:38 lhttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2TBbJmunf_-02pdDO4Dl6d02EkVwLTXIqPKd0fYUUjQ?feat=directlink Feb 25 16:08:14 err an NPAPI plugin. I'm one of the developers on that project so I really should have investigated more fully by now Feb 25 16:08:50 isn't there any documentation? Feb 25 16:09:12 admiral0: for NPAPI, there is. for Palm's extensions, the only documentation we have is the source code of their patch to webkit Feb 25 16:09:49 but... http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2026&Itemid=333 ? Feb 25 16:09:58 not PDK Feb 25 16:10:06 terminal predates the PDK for a very long time Feb 25 16:10:28 it really should be rewritten as a PDK app instead Feb 25 16:11:06 ah Feb 25 16:11:10 i get it Feb 25 16:11:17 but when we first wanted a terminal back in the summer of 2009, the only way to get native code drawing directly to the screen was with NPAPI like Flash and Classic Feb 25 16:11:43 since Palm didn't provide any support for normal developers to do that we had to reverse engineer what they had done Feb 25 16:12:43 Terminus is a PDK "game" type app, (ie fullscreen with type: game in the appinfo.json) Feb 25 16:12:50 so it should still work, not sure why it broke Feb 25 16:13:44 but TerminAL is kind of a hack using undocumented NPAPI extensions and tends to break when new webkits come out in new versions of webos Feb 25 16:14:10 so a PDK-based terminal would be better Feb 25 16:14:49 yes, and a hybrid app that does all the GUI in javascript and passing of data in native code on the back-end would be better still Feb 25 16:15:03 kind of how wIRC and QuickOffice work Feb 25 16:16:27 is there a way to draw with PDK in a hybrid? Feb 25 16:16:41 yes, that's possible also Feb 25 16:16:49 i saw qt Feb 25 16:16:58 on the pre 2 Feb 25 16:17:11 it's there by default Feb 25 16:17:21 so, the webos GUI (Luna, the binary LunaSysMgr) is based on Qt in 2.x Feb 25 16:17:39 sure? Feb 25 16:18:06 they dropped java it seems Feb 25 16:18:27 yes. I'm not sure yet whether we can access Qt in PDK apps, it's not officially supported, I think the purpose of Qt is to provide an easy / standard graphics library for HP to write webos's own GUI in, not intended to be made available for 3rd party developers Feb 25 16:18:47 admiral0: yes, java is gone. services are now either native binary or javascript (node.js) Feb 25 16:18:53 I'm not sure you'd want to anyway Feb 25 16:19:15 webOS SDK seems a lot more elegant than Qt/WX already Feb 25 16:19:29 fprimex: i don't think so Feb 25 16:19:30 unless you're talking about porting existing stuff Feb 25 16:19:37 fprimex: well, it depends. if you want to throw together a quick port of Qt apps, then yeah Feb 25 16:19:44 but maybe because i am a qt developer Feb 25 16:20:14 admiral0: also before 2.0, when there was no Qt included, people here had gotten Qt working for type: game full-screen applications Feb 25 16:20:30 not a lot has been done with it, but it's in our git repositories Feb 25 16:20:32 saw on griffin.net Feb 25 16:21:05 i really want a way to get a QPainter on a Feb 25 16:21:16 s/opject/object/ Feb 25 16:21:16 admiral0 meant: i really want a way to get a QPainter on a Feb 25 16:21:52 that would make it ultratrivial to code for webos Feb 25 16:22:28 like PDL_GetFrigginQPainterr Feb 25 16:22:45 that would be so cool Feb 25 16:22:47 I think the best use of Qt would be in hybrid apps so you can use the webos api's in front end javascript, have your Qt-based code in the back-end plugin, and both get composited together Feb 25 16:23:17 would let you use standard drop down menus etc Feb 25 16:23:26 yes Feb 25 16:23:31 you're right Feb 25 16:24:02 but a with qpainter could let you do graphs that require less CPU and mem Feb 25 16:24:30 oh right, I was just thinking about things that wouldn't require HP to add to the API Feb 25 16:24:41 if you could ask for any change, that would be nice Feb 25 16:25:07 right now i'm playing with webos internals PDK Feb 25 16:25:28 trying to add support for webosdoctor 2.0.1 Feb 25 16:25:49 Makefile and unpacking script is done Feb 25 16:26:21 oh, I see, for using the newer arm libraries from the device's rootfs Feb 25 16:26:31 as opposed to the older ones since there's no public 2.x SDK yet Feb 25 16:26:40 yep Feb 25 16:26:55 and also for trying to mess with qt Feb 25 16:37:24 ~seen rwithby Feb 25 16:37:27 i haven't seen 'rwithby', bjawebos Feb 25 16:37:52 ~seen rwhitby Feb 25 16:37:54 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 12h 8m 37s, last said: 'plem: see /msg and report in the precentral thread'. Feb 25 16:39:45 rwhitby: Hi, I would like to be an alpha tester for linphone. Can I get the ipkg file please? I use a Palm Pre Plus with webOS 2.1. Feb 25 16:44:48 How irksome. My metadoctored phone blasts Preware every time it reboots and puts it into "starting install" mode with the little spinner in my launcher. Feb 25 16:44:55 Anyone give me a pointer on where the startup script is that is doing this? Feb 25 16:47:28 bjawebos: he'll probably see it when he wakes up, but it's ~3:15 am right now where he is Feb 25 16:48:54 eberon___: did you use AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE=1 in metadoctor? I've had issues with it Feb 25 16:49:29 yeah I did Feb 25 16:49:46 that's the problem here, I really don't want to doctor again though :o Feb 25 16:50:26 I fixed the problem once by rm'ing the database the palm catalog installer uses Feb 25 16:50:34 I forget the filename offhand Feb 25 16:50:45 destinal: I think I found it by looking in the script referenced in the meta-doctor makefile Feb 25 16:51:00 we'll know when I finish rebooting if I got the right one or nuked my phone :D Feb 25 16:51:08 if you delete the file and reboot it gets re-created next time it's used Feb 25 16:51:35 ooh, thanks. good to know! Feb 25 16:52:17 hey, it worked. /var/palm/data/com.palm.appInstallService/. I removed the folder called org.webosinternals.preware in there, didn't touch the installer manifest file Feb 25 16:52:44 nice Feb 25 16:53:57 destinal, do you know what ftp tester does? Feb 25 16:54:52 admiral0: not really, I think someone said it has something to do with exporting data from the phone and sending it somewhere Feb 25 16:55:03 or maybe it does more than that Feb 25 16:56:09 S/R needs an option to transfer the data to a Dropbox/Aurona(?) account Feb 25 16:56:32 admiral0: are you gong to check the error in terminus? Feb 25 16:56:49 destinal: upps, sorry I don't know that. Feb 25 16:57:11 hm, shall I go with english or switch to German... Feb 25 16:57:26 I need to build updated PDK first Feb 25 16:57:48 and i get some errors in scratchbox Feb 25 16:57:59 I would try to run it in VC++ Feb 25 16:58:00 :) Feb 25 16:58:11 the debugger rocks ;) Feb 25 16:58:20 gdb > * Feb 25 16:58:38 gdb... yes... if I don't have another option Feb 25 16:59:08 btw, are there already infos how the spellchecker in 2.1 works? Feb 25 16:59:22 where it get's the dictionary from etc.? Feb 25 16:59:28 RAGE Feb 25 16:59:35 rm -rf /srv/preware Feb 25 17:08:58 can someone please help me from raging Feb 25 17:09:28 my pre dosent get detected after doctor reboots it Feb 25 17:10:27 and it get stuck at PALM (no glow) Feb 25 17:11:57 :\ Feb 25 17:12:36 dumbledore: tried this emergency USB boot? Feb 25 17:12:50 you mean recovery mode? Feb 25 17:12:54 remove bat and cable, hold volume up and reinstert bat and cable Feb 25 17:12:57 yes Feb 25 17:12:58 yeah Feb 25 17:13:01 tried it Feb 25 17:13:08 and? Feb 25 17:13:15 didn't start into USB mode? Feb 25 17:13:21 doctor gets to detect it at first and goes to like 8% Feb 25 17:13:32 and? Feb 25 17:13:32 then doctor reboots it and it gets stuck at the PALM logo Feb 25 17:13:44 then doctor says phone disconnected Feb 25 17:13:47 try another doctor Feb 25 17:13:59 phone is charged? Feb 25 17:14:05 yeah, 100% Feb 25 17:14:09 has anyone encountered and/or resolved the issue with the preware icon graying out after reboot on 2.1? Feb 25 17:14:51 MetaView: do you think i will experience this issue if i swap out the comm boards? Feb 25 17:15:09 no clue Feb 25 17:15:16 lol... Feb 25 17:15:24 preware runs fine here Feb 25 17:16:12 EdCates mentioned it in the thread on precentral. I think someone else said they had it as well Feb 25 17:18:49 how do i shut down my phone from terminal Feb 25 17:19:55 nvm got it Feb 25 17:20:58 is there a guide to dismantling the pre Feb 25 17:23:18 dumbledore: dismantling it won't help you to run 2.1 properly ;) hehehe Feb 25 17:23:33 search in google for "palm pre dismantle" Feb 25 17:24:02 any cool metadoc experts in here know if there's a way to run a shell command AFTER a successful palm profile signin? Feb 25 17:25:27 also precentral needs to stop hosting their forums on a Pixi Feb 25 17:26:44 lol nutty bubby Feb 25 17:26:56 why leathal? Feb 25 17:27:03 oh Feb 25 17:27:04 lol Feb 25 17:28:33 yeah, they were getting hammered when 2.1 was first released Feb 25 17:34:08 so if I got my profile to show 9.9.9, is that reversable? just wondering before I go ahead and meta doctor Feb 25 17:38:18 yeah its reversable Feb 25 17:39:17 ok, i expect by connectingto the profile with 1.4.5, or something that claims to be 1.4.5 Feb 25 17:40:14 Leathal: btw, thanks for all the work and posting your results.. i'm planning on going through essentially what you have posted on the forums Feb 25 17:40:28 except probably adding sprint navigation to my doctor too Feb 25 17:40:39 hey its nothing, glad to help people out Feb 25 17:41:07 yo Feb 25 17:41:26 i stopped reading after about page 12 in the forums.. was there some kind of summary that occurred? Feb 25 17:41:53 benklop: 9.9.9 is caused by connecting to the Palm Profile servers with a WebOS version that doesnt match what it expects you to have Feb 25 17:41:53 I just swyped up on a iphone ... am I losing my mind? Feb 25 17:42:07 thats why you have to masquerade as 1.4.5 for the initial sign-in Feb 25 17:42:31 anything that tells the palm servers "hey im using a valid webos version!" will fix 9.9.9 Feb 25 17:43:02 my understanding is I need to create a doctor,copy over the masq file, copy over the ipk for the cdma radio, copy over ipks for software i want include like sprint navigation and maybe flash (can that be done right in the doctor?) Feb 25 17:43:06 anything im missing? Feb 25 17:43:14 I think I swped up on my wifes windows phone also :-) Feb 25 17:43:21 read over the wiki page real quick i guess Feb 25 17:43:22 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Feb 25 17:43:37 joebpre: i tried to do that on my laptop a few days ago Feb 25 17:44:28 Leathal: thanks, i've read over it a few times Feb 25 17:44:50 backed up my settings, wondering if i really need to remove my palm profile backups Feb 25 17:45:20 afaik, yes, but i saw a post yesterday claiming that you didn't need to Feb 25 17:45:21 bbl Feb 25 17:45:33 have no idea if thats true Feb 25 17:46:07 ok, well everything I need should be backed up in the save/restore app anyway Feb 25 17:46:36 i saw that post too Feb 25 17:46:40 i might try it Feb 25 17:59:12 i just removed the comm boards... Feb 25 17:59:19 i cant help but feel that i fucked something up Feb 25 18:02:26 did any parts break? Feb 25 18:03:32 nope Feb 25 18:03:49 then you're fine Feb 25 18:03:51 volume rocker cable wont come out Feb 25 18:03:58 o.O Feb 25 18:04:03 its getting in the way of putting back in the comms board Feb 25 18:04:16 You don't have to disassemble the volume rocker Feb 25 18:04:41 so i need to maneuver my way in the camped space? Feb 25 18:05:17 i would take a pic, but both my pres are dissassembled and my pixi is magically missing Feb 25 18:05:47 just push the comm board away from the backplate enough that you can separate it from the keyboard and it'll come out the bottom Feb 25 18:06:13 yeah i got them out, im trying to reattach the ribbons Feb 25 18:07:09 ig waut Feb 25 18:07:10 oh wait Feb 25 18:07:12 i got it :D Feb 25 18:07:22 thanks idontwan2know Feb 25 18:07:44 np Feb 25 18:08:15 Just did it for the first time myself yesterday Feb 25 18:08:39 lol Feb 25 18:11:01 getting flash working continues to elude me Feb 25 18:11:42 did you follow the steps on the wiki? Feb 25 18:12:12 flash isnt installed when you use the script Feb 25 18:12:27 you need to manually place the files in yourself to get it to work, afaik Feb 25 18:12:58 I've been using Jason's patch/package method. Feb 25 18:13:25 theres an alternative method? Feb 25 18:13:43 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/276703-how-get-flash-legacy-devices-2-1-0-a.html Feb 25 18:14:41 but I'm not seeing many reports of success there Feb 25 18:15:37 it's because we don't read properly... the instructions clearly say: "point to the files folder", and many of us pointed it to the flashplugin colder, other than that, it works :) Feb 25 18:15:50 s/colder/folder/ Feb 25 18:15:51 NuttyBunny meant: it's because we don't read properly... the instructions clearly say: "point to the files folder", and many of us pointed it to the flashplugin folder, other than that, it works :) Feb 25 18:16:02 oh Feb 25 18:18:21 hey everyone, i got a strange bug using the palm sdk Feb 25 18:18:55 whenever i try to use palm-install, it only says "Permission denied: create", no matter if i use it on emulator or phone Feb 25 18:20:22 well f***... comms board wasnt the problem Feb 25 18:20:37 still not working dumbledore? Feb 25 18:20:42 nope Feb 25 18:21:42 * djwhitey 's flipping battery won't hold a charge now w/ 2.1 Feb 25 18:22:12 won't even charge while plugged INTO the charger... it slowly depletes Feb 25 18:22:51 get's up to 2-3%, turns back on... slowly depletes to off again, charges back up to 2-3%, on, depletes Feb 25 18:25:16 so... central claims that the metadoctor script includes skype Feb 25 18:27:28 RMind: which article? i don't think that's accurate... i don't have skype on mine anyway Feb 25 18:39:09 im such a dick.... Feb 25 18:39:28 i put back the comm board back into the phone it came from -_- Feb 25 18:40:10 lol Feb 25 18:40:28 woops Feb 25 18:40:48 yeah. thats what i get for having a short temperature :P Feb 25 18:41:04 i tend to let things slide past me without paying attention Feb 25 18:41:13 i just removed app cat w/ preware Feb 25 18:41:20 lol Feb 25 18:41:22 howd you do that Feb 25 18:41:23 does that make you feel any better? Feb 25 18:41:36 lol yeah it does Feb 25 18:41:41 howd you do it Feb 25 18:41:54 under installed apps there were a ton whose icon wouldn't update and was from "unknown", so i was removing them all thinking i'll add them back Feb 25 18:42:23 because apps i've installed since flashing (that weren't restored via palm profile) show their icon correctly in preware Feb 25 18:43:07 and the damn phone won't hold a charge Feb 25 18:43:10 lol Feb 25 18:43:13 so i removed all patches & services Feb 25 18:43:22 trying to get it to charge up Feb 25 18:43:32 it was on the charger all night last night, & when i got up today: 2% Feb 25 18:43:41 you need a new battery? Feb 25 18:43:44 i got a ton of them Feb 25 18:44:04 i dunno, how would i know if i need a new one? (other than this obvious symptom)\ Feb 25 18:44:16 lol Feb 25 18:44:37 djwhitey: just try another battery and see if it fixes the problem. they're really cheap Feb 25 18:45:05 well fudge. i left my backup battery on my night stand Feb 25 18:45:05 NuttyBunny: I have triple and quadruple checked myself and flash still isn't working...it doesn't even try. still points me to the page saying palm and adobe are working on it. Feb 25 18:46:27 but isn't it pretty coincidental that i have battery problems the day after i flash to 2.1? Feb 25 18:46:29 would 2.1 on pre2 matter to anyone at this point or do we think an official update to 2.1 is very soon anyway? Feb 25 18:46:48 djwhitey: did you update your modem firmware too? Feb 25 18:46:59 yea Feb 25 18:47:04 used meta-sprint Feb 25 18:47:08 CC1.7 Feb 25 18:47:36 s/RC/CC Feb 25 18:50:21 just tried the "interactive tests" & everything checked out ok Feb 25 18:50:53 well this is odd Feb 25 18:51:18 the comm board i put in had 1.4.5, yet i see the 2.1 boot screen Feb 25 18:51:38 the comm board doesn't contain the OS Feb 25 18:51:47 oh Feb 25 18:51:53 it does on the pixi, right? Feb 25 18:52:27 I don't know how the pixi is engineered Feb 25 18:52:30 when i swapped comms on the pixi, it booted into verizons version of webos Feb 25 18:52:31 oh Feb 25 18:54:02 the processor, flash memory, etc. is all behind the screen on the pre. Feb 25 18:54:21 ok Feb 25 18:54:23 the comms board just has the modems and gps Feb 25 18:54:27 well now im having a problem with webos Feb 25 18:54:45 after i swapped comms, it dosent say sprint anymore, its jsut blank Feb 25 18:54:57 where? Feb 25 18:55:09 upper left hand corner Feb 25 18:56:12 do you have cell service? Feb 25 18:56:18 yea Feb 25 18:56:33 weird Feb 25 18:56:46 its picking up signal bars Feb 25 18:58:55 can you make a call? Feb 25 18:59:02 lemme try Feb 25 18:59:13 i suspect you won't be able to Feb 25 18:59:34 account could not be validated Feb 25 19:00:12 i think the comms have different DEC/ESN values causing me sprint to not activate my phone Feb 25 19:00:49 So wait...you're using a comms board from another sprint phone? Feb 25 19:01:02 yea Feb 25 19:01:30 yeah, you're gonna have to call sprint and get them to activate the esn associated with that modem. Feb 25 19:01:51 i see Feb 25 19:02:34 out of curiosity, why are you swapping comm boards between sprint phones? Feb 25 19:02:59 kept dropping back into 1x in an EvDO rich zone Feb 25 19:03:28 i see Feb 25 19:04:14 is it illegal now that i switched ESN's? Feb 25 19:04:41 no Feb 25 19:04:46 ok Feb 25 19:05:08 however, if the ESN of the phone you took that comm board from is bad, sprint won't activate it Feb 25 19:05:22 nah, its clean Feb 25 19:05:52 yeah, then just call sprint and tell them you bought a replacement phone and need to have it activated Feb 25 19:06:21 probly be easier to do with the comm board in the original phone just so all the data and numbers match Feb 25 19:06:54 yeah Feb 25 19:07:29 now the other pre is reading "Phone Offline" Feb 25 19:07:33 I'm trying to git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git from Ubuntu in Virtual Box but get a FATAL error thle remote end hung up unexpedly Feb 25 19:08:48 its so damn hard to get the slider off the back of the pre Feb 25 19:08:53 izkeepsitreal: try it again in a couple minutes? Feb 25 19:09:07 they've been having server problems the last couple days i think Feb 25 19:09:32 wiki is working fine for me though Feb 25 19:09:36 try it again Feb 25 19:11:12 anyone have any tips on how to get the slider off Feb 25 19:12:12 i'm not sure what you mean by slider Feb 25 19:12:27 the mechanism between they keyboard and screen Feb 25 19:13:20 what port does git use? Feb 25 19:13:37 the ifixit guide will take you through a full teardown Feb 25 19:13:44 not sure why you would want to do that, though Feb 25 19:13:56 just tryinna poke through the pre Feb 25 19:14:13 i also need to replace the digitizer Feb 25 19:14:21 thats the whole front Feb 25 19:14:24 i believe Feb 25 19:14:38 so 2.1.0 works on the the pre ... something new about the pixi? Feb 25 19:14:51 yeah...anything involving the front part of the phone is very difficult Feb 25 19:14:55 thanks Feb 25 19:14:59 I'll give it a shot in a few mins Feb 25 19:14:59 yeah i can see Feb 25 19:15:04 wow I must of been lagged Feb 25 19:15:23 djwhitey: same error Feb 25 19:15:26 just tried it Feb 25 19:17:29 what server is this Feb 25 19:17:32 I'll get a real client up Feb 25 19:17:34 not a web-client Feb 25 19:19:40 there we go Feb 25 19:20:09 yo Feb 25 19:20:34 is it me or does 3g destroy battery life ? Feb 25 19:21:12 I've done many test and the pre is fine on wife just not 3g .. any insight ? Feb 25 19:21:21 s/wife/wifi Feb 25 19:22:21 djwhitey: it was the top article an hour ago Feb 25 19:22:53 its like what's the point of having data on the pre Feb 25 19:23:23 I didn't believe it and when I looked through a fresh copy of the script I didn't see anything skype-ish Feb 25 19:24:00 3G eats everyone's battery Feb 25 19:25:39 hah got it off :D Feb 25 19:33:06 hey folks! quick q for any Vz Folks? Feb 25 19:33:41 does the vz 2.1.0 script install VZ Nav/Hotspot/Skype? I thought i installed them manually, but now I wonder if I just assumed i installed them but they were already there.. Feb 25 19:34:13 so I'm still getting the same error Feb 25 19:34:26 when trying to git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Feb 25 19:34:29 (the P|C article has got me wondering. :) I def didn't install Voice Dial though, so that part i'm sure works out-of-the-box Feb 25 19:34:48 is ther another way ? Feb 25 19:36:07 ok just looked at the script, i don't see anywhere it grabs carrier apps, so i think that confirms my question Feb 25 19:37:43 the carrier ipk's are not included Feb 25 19:38:24 izkeepsitreal: did you neb: yeah I just gathered that.. i guess i should make some time to figure out how to get metadoctor to include the Vz ones then.. Feb 25 19:38:42 sorry? Feb 25 19:38:48 half way done with my project Feb 25 19:39:07 now comes the dreadded part of disassembling my real pre Feb 25 19:39:22 izkeepsitreal: i was able to clone it just now w/ no problem Feb 25 19:39:47 izkeepsitreal: sorry, haha.. i forgot that i included that.. umm.. it works fine for me too Feb 25 19:40:12 izkeepsitreal: are you sure networking is working fine? Feb 25 19:40:32 well Feb 25 19:40:35 I'm using a virtual box Feb 25 19:40:37 on a win7 Feb 25 19:40:39 machine Feb 25 19:40:39 good evening all together Feb 25 19:40:41 so Feb 25 19:40:44 not really sure Feb 25 19:41:23 firefox works Feb 25 19:41:24 izkeepsitreal: http://webosinternals.pastebin.com/FH2kkLkt for my results Feb 25 19:41:45 i have a short question, so today a bought a palm pre plus, with webos 1.4.1 on it, so and should i do an update to the webos 2.1. or will it be unstable? Feb 25 19:41:46 (10min expire) Feb 25 19:41:55 ok Feb 25 19:42:29 thundersystem: upgrade it to 1.4.5 first to be safe Feb 25 19:42:55 izkeepsitreal: ok.. Feb 25 19:43:10 djwhitey: what's that url do for me? Feb 25 19:43:18 ok and after the update to 1.4.5. should a make then an update to 2.1.? Feb 25 19:43:19 lolol Feb 25 19:43:30 i dismantled my original pre in less than 5 minutes Feb 25 19:43:41 izkeepsitreal: just showing you that it cloned fine on my end Feb 25 19:43:47 ooh Feb 25 19:43:50 ok Feb 25 19:43:58 well I can't seem to get it to download in that term window Feb 25 19:43:59 thundersystem: then you should be fine to run the script.. yeah.. are you verizon or att or other? Feb 25 19:44:03 so any othe rsuggestions on how to do it? :) Feb 25 19:44:24 izkeepsitreal: you can download the files from the web one-by-one, i suppose Feb 25 19:44:33 but you really ought to figure out why git isn't working Feb 25 19:44:48 how can I troubleshoot it? Feb 25 19:44:55 I'm trying to put 2.1 on my palm pre Feb 25 19:44:56 got through step 1 Feb 25 19:45:04 step 2 can't git Feb 25 19:45:04 :( Feb 25 19:45:07 izkeepsitreal: try reading some git instructions from other sites, and try git clone for other repos Feb 25 19:45:31 ajay: i bought the mobile without any branding, and on the hp homepage stands, the the update to 2.1. is only avaiable for devices with vodafone and o2 branding Feb 25 19:45:53 so a have to see if my serialnumber is good for the update to 2.1. Feb 25 19:46:28 thundersystem: huh.. interesting! I wonder then if you can just doctor to 2.1.0 with the normal doctor, no meta required.. Feb 25 19:47:20 izkeepsitreal: if networking is working, and there's nothing preventing you frmo accessing via git:// (what protocol does git use? Feb 25 19:47:45 izkeepsitreal: sudo apt-get upgrade ? Feb 25 19:48:00 izkeepsitreal: I wonder if you can do it over http, incase you've got some firewall nonsense in your way Feb 25 19:48:08 i just had a thoughd, firewall disabled? Feb 25 19:48:08 ajay: at the moment it runs the update from 1.4.1. to 1.4.5 Feb 25 19:48:21 s/thought/thoughd Feb 25 19:48:21 after that a have a look at the serial number and put it in here: Feb 25 19:48:29 http://ws.palm.com/WebOsChecker/serialnumberinitial.htm Feb 25 19:48:39 um Feb 25 19:48:41 djk: he could have an upstream firewall Feb 25 19:48:42 no not disabeled Feb 25 19:48:45 but open Feb 25 19:48:47 I'll disable Feb 25 19:48:49 1 sec Feb 25 19:49:43 djwhitey: that "command not found" for sudo apt-get upgrade Feb 25 19:50:06 izkeepsitreal: what linux distribution? Feb 25 19:50:07 well, i'm looking for other folks with Vz Pre+'s to test and make sure MHS and VZ nav work.. if any such people are around find/ask about me later so we can test. it works for me, if it works for you we ought to include in the doc Feb 25 19:50:12 ubuntu 10.10 Feb 25 19:50:29 what about just apt-get? Feb 25 19:50:34 firewall is down Feb 25 19:50:38 weird, seems like sudo would be installed Feb 25 19:50:49 sudo apt-get "command not found" Feb 25 19:50:52 ajay: In the forums someone was saying something about getting the carrier .tar file and then putting that in the metadoctor Feb 25 19:51:11 graywolf336: yeah I was trying to figure out how to do that and was failling, but it seems possible Feb 25 19:51:18 izkeepsitreal: sudo apt-get update or sudo apt-get upgrade Feb 25 19:51:44 graywolf336: Ed said they don't have confirmation that the apps work, so clearly he hasn't heard from me, but i'm surprised if nobody other than me figured out how to manually install Feb 25 19:51:46 ajay: look to see if you can find it in the doctor for 1.4.5 Feb 25 19:51:48 so out of curiosity, if I put a tar file containing ipks into the root of the doctor, will it extract and install those ipks? Feb 25 19:51:51 command not fround Feb 25 19:52:03 graywolf336: oh i already foudn it in the 2.0.1 doctor, no doubt :) Feb 25 19:52:20 Oh ok lol Feb 25 19:52:26 or is there more to it? Feb 25 19:52:27 graywolf336: my problem was understanding how metadoctor works well enough to make it build a legit (new) doctor Feb 25 19:52:31 graywolf336: command not found Feb 25 19:52:35 with that already included, so i didn't have to manually install.. Feb 25 19:52:48 still don't know why my manual install isn't starting up skype by default. eh Feb 25 19:52:51 gtg Feb 25 19:52:53 ajay: Oh i got ya.. I have no clue, so idk Feb 25 19:53:20 graywolf336: don't worry, i wasn't asking for help, i'm just looking for other Vz Pre+ users, nothing more Feb 25 19:53:30 izkeepsitreal: what exactly are you typing in? Feb 25 19:53:45 ajay: i got ya Feb 25 19:53:45 sudo apt-get upgrade Feb 25 19:53:51 or sudo apt-get update Feb 25 19:54:21 i was talkin to some Vz user the other day.. i better keep a list, becuse i bet they're on here now :) Feb 25 19:54:25 anywho.. Feb 25 19:54:38 sudo apt-get install git-core Feb 25 19:54:39 works Feb 25 19:54:39 pre's are so amazing Feb 25 19:54:41 then step 2 Feb 25 19:54:43 nothing Feb 25 19:54:59 izkeepsitreal: did you copy and paste it? Feb 25 19:55:03 izkeepsitreal: sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't work? Feb 25 19:55:04 no typed Feb 25 19:55:11 djwhitey: says command not found Feb 25 19:55:19 izkeepsitreal: try copying and pasting it Feb 25 19:55:25 ok Feb 25 19:55:35 but apt-get install is obviously working Feb 25 19:55:38 izkeepsitreal: if you could run "sudo apt-get" anything, then the command should be found. probably some kind of typo Feb 25 19:55:39 cause you could possible have typed an error Feb 25 19:55:44 oops dang formatting Feb 25 19:56:06 hi all, I am trying to create a .json file containing settings for my carrier, but I don't know how to create a dataconnection string (I can see it's base64-encoded in fi-saunalahti.json, but that turns into binary data that doesn't really help much) Feb 25 19:56:15 itzkeepsitreal: let us know what it says after you've copy and pasted it Feb 25 19:56:19 BINGO Feb 25 19:56:22 had a space Feb 25 19:56:25 with copy/paste at th end Feb 25 19:56:31 user error :0 Feb 25 19:56:52 izkeepsitreal: that happens... life lol Feb 25 19:56:57 thnx :) Feb 25 19:57:06 pebkac! Feb 25 19:57:23 but mostly keyboard Feb 25 19:57:47 (oh, talking about webos 2.1 and latest meta-doctor from git) Feb 25 19:58:48 i got a spare sprint pre today :) just finishing putting webos 2.1 on it! love all the work the community and webos internals have put into this! Feb 25 19:58:55 (fwiw, maybe I don't even need it, but I am holding off on upgrading my o2.uk pre plus to 2.1 before I am sure I can do it) Feb 25 19:59:07 2.1 on sprint pre is amazin Feb 25 19:59:30 though there are memory/speed issues Feb 25 19:59:41 how do i add additional IPKs to the doctor? Feb 25 19:59:52 torchie: how's your battery? Feb 25 20:00:04 heh the battery I haven't been paying attention to Feb 25 20:00:12 maybe same as usual Feb 25 20:00:18 mine won't charge now :( Feb 25 20:00:23 :(!! Feb 25 20:00:26 gonna try my backup when i get home Feb 25 20:00:29 can i put them in, say wr-castle-plus.tar, and if i do do i need to make other changes so it tries to install it? Feb 25 20:01:16 I've gotten TMCs trying to open calendar with music open Feb 25 20:01:47 ok this might be a simple and redundant question, but if i'm using the scripts how do I skip the firstuse application? Feb 25 20:02:31 graywolf336, BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP=1 Feb 25 20:02:46 everything chugs hard right now, odd compared to the ridiculous smoothness of the new launcher Feb 25 20:03:09 danilos: I know that much, but where would i put that in the script? Feb 25 20:03:45 Ok wait i may have answered my own question... is it the last make in the file? Feb 25 20:03:57 graywolf336, well, you can pass it into "make" afaik, or set it directly in Makefile Feb 25 20:04:08 graywolf336, heh :) Feb 25 20:04:29 lol guess i should have opened my eyes more before asking Feb 25 20:05:43 i wonder if text assist has anything to do with it Feb 25 20:17:39 Just wondering... those running 2.1 on Pre-, can you modify the CompCache settings with Govnah? I feel 24Mb is more healthy than the measly 10Mb Palm left there Feb 25 20:17:55 NuttyBunny: im booting into 2.1 right now Feb 25 20:17:58 will let you know Feb 25 20:18:22 NuttyBunny: from what I tried yesterday, you can alter it with Govnah Feb 25 20:18:40 SineOt beat me to it lol :D Feb 25 20:18:43 NuttyBunny: but it doesn't persist through a reboot, I'm fairly sure that can get patched however Feb 25 20:19:18 Excellent :D Feb 25 20:19:45 Because today I hope to be able to work with Rod to get the Telcel Pres running :D Feb 25 20:20:28 oh, so "dataconnection" is a com.palm.db, so at the very least, I'll be able to encode/decode that using webos SDK/phone itself (probably phone because I don't have access to 2.0 SDK yet) Feb 25 20:22:34 this is so odd.... i switched digitizers and now wifi signal is strong Feb 25 20:23:07 anybody knows what's the underlying storage format for webOS "databases" used from within JS? Feb 25 20:23:34 dumbledore: perhaps the wifi cable was just a little loose :) Feb 25 20:23:43 lol maybe Feb 25 20:24:08 ok I'm tryhing to make DEVICE=pre all-bellmo and getting error Feb 25 20:24:28 "no rule to make target" Feb 25 20:27:04 Hi Feb 25 20:27:10 hopefully this time the flashing worked and i get to skip the firstuse app! Feb 25 20:28:00 * NuttyBunny has to work with Excel... ARGH! :S Feb 25 20:28:51 anyone for the error? :) Feb 25 20:29:46 sweet! I'm loving 2.1 ;) Feb 25 20:29:53 hey Feb 25 20:30:01 well now i cant hear anyone -_- Feb 25 20:31:03 sweet! I love being stuck on 1.4.5 ... wait, what? Feb 25 20:31:07 I have a Problem with my pre. It thinks its keyboard is a pre+ one and messes everything up Feb 25 20:31:16 izkeepsitreal: You should really use the scripts Feb 25 20:31:48 where can I get it Feb 25 20:32:06 And now I tried to put the virtual Keyboard on my Pre but it wont show up. Feb 25 20:32:26 When I rename the Vkb Folder it says that its not able to find the json file Feb 25 20:32:51 Did they take the onscreen keyboard away in 2.1? Feb 25 20:33:05 im at 1-4-5 Feb 25 20:33:08 1.4.5* Feb 25 20:33:31 I'm just trying to get this meta-doctor installed/working Feb 25 20:34:15 I've had 2.0 on My pre- because of the Early access program but i wasn't able to use my apps so that sucked Feb 25 20:34:36 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Feb 25 20:34:39 I just finished step 10 Feb 25 20:35:06 so now I'm on "Running meta-doctor" Feb 25 20:35:20 I thought the scripts come after that? ":) Feb 25 20:44:25 ok so I'm missing a "build" folder Feb 25 20:44:30 in my meta-doctor directory Feb 25 20:44:49 does tihs appear if I download the 2.01 2.1 distros/ Feb 25 20:47:31 the build directory doesn't get made until you run the doctor Feb 25 20:47:49 I think Feb 25 20:48:32 ok Feb 25 20:48:50 sweet mother of palm i hope this works Feb 25 20:49:03 benklop: what you doing? Feb 25 20:49:20 oh, just running the metadoctor Feb 25 20:49:30 with the sprint pre scripts Feb 25 20:49:36 one of the scripts? Feb 25 20:49:41 yea Feb 25 20:49:45 im sure it will work Feb 25 20:49:55 just hoping it really does :) Feb 25 20:49:59 if you're doing it on a sprint pre-, it works great Feb 25 20:50:05 yeah i am Feb 25 20:50:17 just be sure you follow the wiki to a t Feb 25 20:50:21 is there a way to embed ipks like sprint navigation in to this? Feb 25 20:50:31 I'm honestly not sure, i know some other people have Feb 25 20:50:51 i noticed the tarball they are locatewd in, but i just wasnt sure what was required to have ipks in tarballs be installed Feb 25 20:51:32 if i just copy them in, i had no idea if it would actually install them Feb 25 20:51:43 i'll just install them with quicvk install afterward Feb 25 20:51:53 i know some people in the forums were taking the whole tarball and putting it somewhere in the doctor it was creating Feb 25 20:52:12 i don't think that'll work, using quick install Feb 25 20:52:19 yeah but i dont actually want the dumb nascar apps and such :-P Feb 25 20:52:37 ok, well if it desnt i'll give a few other things a tryu Feb 25 20:52:39 if i remember correctly, rob said somewhere in the forums that you had to use the terminal or something Feb 25 20:52:46 haha yeah i'm with you on that one Feb 25 20:52:48 ok, well i can do that Feb 25 20:53:56 ipkg-install im sure Feb 25 20:54:38 if you find out how, let me know.. cause i miss my navigation app lol Feb 25 20:54:48 heh oik Feb 25 20:54:52 i just haven't taken the time to research it much Feb 25 20:57:21 izkeepsitreal: you don't actually run the meta doctor Feb 25 20:57:33 the meta- script runs it for you Feb 25 20:57:41 so after you've done your git clone Feb 25 20:58:02 you cd to the meta-doctor directory and do ./scripts/meta--2.1.0 Feb 25 20:58:29 assuming you already have stuff like java jre, patch, make, etc installed Feb 25 20:59:44 you'll get that "no rule to make target" error if you try to run a meta script from the meta-doctor/scripts directory Feb 25 20:59:54 arg no audio Feb 25 21:02:59 ok Feb 25 21:07:43 so my pre now says Activation Error Feb 25 21:09:36 benklop: is the phone your main one? Feb 25 21:09:59 yeah, i'll flash it back to 1.4.5 if need be Feb 25 21:10:35 otherwise, what does this mean? Feb 25 21:10:40 try that and see Feb 25 21:10:58 I'm not sure acutally honestly Feb 25 21:11:00 see if it activates ok on 1.4.5? Feb 25 21:11:27 i think i might be in a poor reception area - i'm gonna restart and go outside Feb 25 21:12:22 ok good luck Feb 25 21:21:36 so that didnt help Feb 25 21:21:58 however i noticed that its showing wifi, not connected t5o anthing enabled, and no evdo Feb 25 21:22:01 or 1x Feb 25 21:22:26 why would it come up in that state Feb 25 21:22:35 i noticed that on mine, but i skipped the firstuse app.. maybe someone else could help ya Feb 25 21:23:25 how can I start the firstuse app after I have skipped it? Feb 25 21:23:45 idk :/ Feb 25 21:23:53 aight Feb 25 21:27:02 benklop: 2.1 or 1.4.5? Feb 25 21:27:31 2.1 Feb 25 21:29:53 it says "you may need to activate your device by going to ." you'll need your hex meid: (shows meid) when you are sure you have activated your phone, try again. Feb 25 21:30:04 i'm pretty sure it currently has no noetwork access Feb 25 21:31:55 benklop: flash back to 1.4.5, verify that you get an EV icon up top, then flash right back to 2.1.0 Feb 25 21:32:00 it'll work Feb 25 21:32:11 i spent 3 hours of grief with this Feb 25 21:32:46 ok, i've got fairly poor reception here... will wifi work? Feb 25 21:32:53 no Feb 25 21:33:03 not until you activate/sign into your palm profile Feb 25 21:33:07 ok Feb 25 21:33:42 durn. is ther a way to disable wifi from the command line?\ Feb 25 21:33:47 novaterm works after all Feb 25 21:34:02 and maybe enable evdo? Feb 25 21:37:01 hm. ok. so just manually got wifi going, not good enough, just like you said. :) Feb 25 21:40:36 =) Feb 25 21:40:47 ok, reflashing to 1.4.5 Feb 25 21:41:52 don't sign into your palm profile tho Feb 25 21:42:13 ok, why? Feb 25 21:43:02 i could ping google and everything, but sadly I guess the activation wizard is doing something that really needs to know more than that Feb 25 21:44:28 wow, novaterm works while flashing Feb 25 21:44:35 could watch some interesting things here Feb 25 21:44:55 just let it come up, pick engrish, verify you have an EV/1x icon up top, then pull your battery and flash to 2.1.0. Feb 25 21:45:22 should i disable wifi? Feb 25 21:45:29 pretty sure it was enabled before i did this Feb 25 21:47:05 i am trying this without wiping my profile, so i might need to flash one more time Feb 25 21:47:18 or 2 or 4 depending on howe this goes :-P Feb 25 21:48:23 nah Feb 25 21:48:35 don't need to disable wifi Feb 25 21:49:51 hay Feb 25 21:53:27 is for HORSES Feb 25 21:53:39 i think i saw this episode lastnight... Feb 25 21:53:58 benklop: wipe your 1.4.5 backup data Feb 25 21:54:11 you'll still get the apps back after you login to 2.1.0 Feb 25 21:54:43 ok. i did the save/restore process, does that back up notes and texts and such? Feb 25 21:55:24 hmm, you used newest version of save/restore? Feb 25 21:55:30 i don't think restoration of sms works yet Feb 25 21:55:43 there's a note when you do the save that restore isn't supported yet Feb 25 21:55:48 ok. not really a big deal, notes are a bigger deal to me. Feb 25 21:56:02 ok. i didn't read all the notes Feb 25 21:56:11 memos? Feb 25 21:56:15 right Feb 25 21:58:24 ok, so i do in fact have an ev logo Feb 25 22:03:27 we're flashing again Feb 25 22:03:44 ah darn i forgot to delete the profile Feb 25 22:03:58 why are you reflashing? you had EV? Feb 25 22:03:58 what effect will that have i wonder.. Feb 25 22:04:02 yes i did Feb 25 22:04:15 then why are you reflashing? Feb 25 22:04:26 because i had ev in 1.4.5, but i want 2.1.0 Feb 25 22:04:36 ahh ok Feb 25 22:04:40 I see now lol Feb 25 22:04:43 what device? Feb 25 22:04:50 pre- on sprint Feb 25 22:05:00 cool. let me know how it works Feb 25 22:05:09 I'm thinking of *maybe* doing it Feb 25 22:05:21 I have a vzw dev device that I have 2.1 on though Feb 25 22:05:37 yeah... at the end of the day i might end up flashing back to 1.4.5 if this isnt worknig Feb 25 22:06:06 2.1 is awesome!!! if its working lol Feb 25 22:07:22 it's working great on mine Feb 25 22:07:35 awesome ragingmind! what device? Feb 25 22:07:37 I'm super pissed that I don't get an official update Feb 25 22:07:46 verizon pre+ Feb 25 22:07:53 well... that's not totally *final* yet Feb 25 22:08:13 and the vzw pre+ has twice the RAM the pre- has :/ Feb 25 22:08:37 well i fucked my pre up Feb 25 22:08:40 so much for it Feb 25 22:08:59 what did you do dumbledore? Feb 25 22:09:00 the pre+ is what the pre should have been... and the pre2 is what should have happened next Feb 25 22:09:12 yea Feb 25 22:09:16 phone works perfectly when i put it on speaker Feb 25 22:09:21 and the veer should have ben the Pixi1 Feb 25 22:09:31 but wont work if i have it in normal mode Feb 25 22:09:45 hmm. whatcha do to it lol Feb 25 22:09:49 actually the pixi+ is fine Feb 25 22:09:54 swapped out comm boards Feb 25 22:09:57 the veer is a bit weird Feb 25 22:10:06 but the pixi is a great little device Feb 25 22:10:11 pixi+ Feb 25 22:10:15 gotta have that wifi Feb 25 22:10:47 i think there really should be a post. then there's be the pre and post aquisition phones Feb 25 22:10:57 my pun mindedness would love that Feb 25 22:11:49 well. wifi does rock! lol Feb 25 22:12:02 my Pixi- hasn't become a frankenPixi yet... Feb 25 22:12:06 yet... lol Feb 25 22:13:15 how long after releasing a product does a company have to comply with the GPL and release code? Feb 25 22:14:12 just curious how long till uberkernel is possible Feb 25 22:14:22 I want it too.. Feb 25 22:14:35 should be soon Feb 25 22:16:20 yay for ev! Feb 25 22:18:15 awesome benklop! Feb 25 22:20:46 shti this is a lot of work for 2.1 Feb 25 22:20:46 ! Feb 25 22:21:11 i might be going back and forth one more time tho, it's having trouble with signing into the profile. it might be because i didn't clear it, or it might be due to poor data coverage here Feb 25 22:21:25 wifi Feb 25 22:21:29 :) Feb 25 22:21:39 benklop: I read somewhere that it's generally been a couple weeks between the posting of a doctor and the source code being released. Feb 25 22:21:57 izkeepsitreal: it's not that had. try installing linux on a laptop that has been out for a few days and trying to get everything working, then installing all your games in wine Feb 25 22:22:13 GPL only requires "a reasonable time period" or some such other vague language. Feb 25 22:22:16 well I just installed linux on a virutal machine Feb 25 22:22:18 on my laptop Feb 25 22:22:31 and installed meta-doctor/java/palm sdk/nova Feb 25 22:22:40 right, but that virtual hardware's drivers are all there and work :-P Feb 25 22:23:01 yea I don't intend on using the virutal environment aside from making this package for 2.1 Feb 25 22:23:02 :) Feb 25 22:23:10 so no need to get wine/games working for me Feb 25 22:23:11 :) Feb 25 22:23:15 wubi :) Feb 25 22:23:21 well, it looks like ill be flashing back to 1.4.5 to clear my profile. this isnt working. Feb 25 22:23:28 man Feb 25 22:23:57 it's really close, but i want my apps. i should have just cleared it at the beginning Feb 25 22:26:18 well. its better then me lol Feb 25 22:28:02 brb, Feb 25 22:31:40 re Feb 25 22:36:35 It looks like the hamster wheels that run Precentral's forums have stopped turning again. Feb 25 22:47:08 idontwan2know: it's happenin a lot lately! maybe the hamsters take turns running freenode and P|C! Feb 25 22:48:57 Hi everyone :) Feb 25 22:52:38 o hai! Feb 25 22:53:00 one thing i noticed after flashing to 2.1 on sprint, i had to re-forward my VM to google voice Feb 25 22:53:09 *28 Feb 25 23:03:34 just wanted to report, it's all working well on 2.1, just need to reflash a few more times to get to 1.4.5, delete my profile data, and flash back. Feb 25 23:04:00 benklop: so you did get the ev to work? Feb 25 23:04:26 graywolf336: yep, worked just fine after flshing to 1.4.5 and back Feb 25 23:05:06 benklop: Ok good to know. Thanks Feb 25 23:05:31 no im gonna see if i can just add packages to this tar and have it work Feb 25 23:06:41 yeah so what is the story with 1.4.5->2.x. It's _necessary_ to turn off backups, or just advised? Feb 25 23:07:07 Any Vz Pre+'s here now? Feb 25 23:07:10 I'm aware it's just advised Feb 25 23:07:36 graywolf336: did you go 1.4.5->2.1 w/o disabling profile backup, and it worked fine? Feb 25 23:07:47 i'm also looking to hear more real-world accounts of going 2.1->1.4.5 Feb 25 23:07:47 graywolf336: i just tried it without, and it wouldnt let me sign into the profile Feb 25 23:08:17 benklop: that's with the masquerade in place? Feb 25 23:08:18 so i'm guessing it's highly advised then Feb 25 23:08:26 ajay_: correct Feb 25 23:08:34 the pre 2 is what the pre should have been Feb 25 23:08:37 benklop: but it would let you create a new profile? Feb 25 23:08:45 shattered glass YEEEEEAH Feb 25 23:09:30 correct Feb 25 23:09:32 I'm comfortable saying Pre+ shoulda been the Pre.. Pre2 even better of course, but.. yeah actually my Pre+ is pretty laggy (on 1.4.50, so maybe torchie's right :) Feb 25 23:09:39 and download free apps, havnt tried paid Feb 25 23:09:41 interesting.. Feb 25 23:09:51 i'll try that when im on my profile Feb 25 23:09:56 my pre- is laggy on 1.4.5 and is getting its shit wrecked by 2.1 :( Feb 25 23:10:12 may have to revert until uberkernel Feb 25 23:10:58 mine saeems pretty speedy, and certainly opens more apps than 1.4.5 did Feb 25 23:11:56 it seems pretty speedy on the one i flashed eariler Feb 25 23:14:31 Hi, this is my first time here. Feb 25 23:15:06 torchie: agreed Feb 25 23:16:50 I am trying to install meta-doctor via cygwin, but I am having trouble. Anybody who can give some help? Feb 25 23:19:48 Joe: What have you done so far? Feb 25 23:23:10 I am following the steps from webos-internals to install webOS 2.1 on my verizon pre plus. I have gotten to the point where it says to open the terminal Feb 25 23:23:53 I have cygwin open, but when I type in the text it shows, I get an error in the virtual machine. Feb 25 23:24:27 did anyone get a terminal app running on 2.1 yet? Feb 25 23:26:24 cygwin AND a vm? Feb 25 23:27:23 Sorry, I was referring to Cygwin as the VM. No, just Cygwin. I'm in vista. Feb 25 23:27:36 ah. what's the error? Feb 25 23:27:58 lemme grab it Feb 25 23:29:08 bash: git: command not found Feb 25 23:29:23 yeah, you'll need to install git within cygwin Feb 25 23:29:37 using the cygwin setup program Feb 25 23:30:01 typically when you get a command not found, its because its not installed Feb 25 23:30:29 Haha, thank you! I apologize, but I'm not even sure how to make sure it's installed. Feb 25 23:30:54 so my script finally finished creating and it opened webosDr... I got to confirm English and then it says "plug in phone via USB" my phone is plugged it but I can't click on "Next" Feb 25 23:31:13 I can connect to USB mode.... still doesn't enable "next' Feb 25 23:31:20 just rebooting phone now, still no "next" Feb 25 23:31:30 I just cliked on the "setup" file, but it's just a tone of text... If you don't mind telling me how, I'd be grateful. Feb 25 23:33:55 so the program you used to install cygwin is what you should run. one of the pages in there has a list of programs, you should search through there to find git. Sorry, i dont have windows or cygwin, i'm on linux so I can't really look and give you more exact instructions Feb 25 23:34:15 benklop: any thoughts on my issue? :)j Feb 25 23:34:23 Ok, thanks for your help. Feb 25 23:34:45 izkeepsitreal: i had to have novacomd running to make that work Feb 25 23:35:08 cheers Feb 25 23:35:31 ok think its past lunch now.. ;^) Feb 25 23:35:52 i only have about an hour left till my phone must be working so I can go home... Feb 25 23:36:09 anybody try adding sprint navigation to 2.1 yet? Feb 25 23:42:00 I'm booting Ubuntu! Feb 25 23:42:06 what's the benefit of it? Feb 25 23:43:54 PatrickC_Pre: Everything you can imagine Feb 25 23:44:02 and more? lol Feb 25 23:44:22 bingo Feb 25 23:44:36 awesome! Feb 25 23:44:37 lol Feb 25 23:44:42 I switched to Ubuntu about a month ago because XP was finally crashing on me Feb 25 23:45:03 why not go to 7? Feb 25 23:45:44 I'm trying to get Cygwin working, but when I type "sudo apt-get install git-core" I just get the error "bash: sudo: command not found." anyone on windows that can help? Feb 25 23:45:47 Cause I haven't archived any of my computer like the idiot I tend to be Feb 25 23:46:14 Plus if I can stretch another couple years out of the system, why bother? Feb 25 23:47:48 It's been a real learning experience after growing up using windows/dos since pre-3.1 Feb 25 23:49:04 lol Feb 25 23:49:23 when I install the palm sdk in ubuntu does that automaticlaly start/run novacom Feb 25 23:49:25 morning Feb 25 23:49:53 mornin Feb 25 23:49:55 Hola Feb 25 23:50:11 I do believe it does. I know I had to get the sdk before I could do anything with my phone Feb 25 23:50:32 ya k Feb 25 23:50:33 :) Feb 25 23:51:25 morning rwhitby Feb 26 00:06:32 bbl Feb 26 00:14:51 rwhitby: do you happen to know where i'd need to put ipks for them to be installed automatically? Feb 26 00:15:25 do i just place them in the customizationBuild tar? Feb 26 00:15:31 is there more to do than that? Feb 26 00:17:39 what sort of ipks? Feb 26 00:18:08 rwhitby: ipks from the sprint 1.4.5 costomization build tar Feb 26 00:18:16 specifically sprint navigation Feb 26 00:18:37 yeah, just put them in the carrier tarball Feb 26 00:18:54 ok. I also put in the amazon mp3 store tars Feb 26 00:19:36 benklop: I haven't tired them myself, but I'm thinking the 1.4.5 sprint nav app will work in 2.1 - somebody correct me if i'm wrong Feb 26 00:19:43 thanks Feb 26 00:19:52 well i'll tell you in about 10 minutes :) Feb 26 00:20:05 benklop: haha ok sounds good Feb 26 00:20:56 its amazing how easy it is to flash and mod the image for this thing.. Feb 26 00:21:50 ok, well brb Feb 26 00:21:54 gotta luna soon Feb 26 00:22:10 rwhitby: are there ipks that cannot be installed via that method? Feb 26 00:22:54 only ipks designed for / should use that Feb 26 00:23:41 ok, and is there any other way to install those? can i use ipkg to install them on the command line? Feb 26 00:25:25 i think i'll need to look in to this a lot more Feb 26 00:25:44 man the only way this could be cooler is if i could directly install this stuff in a vm Feb 26 00:26:10 and test the doctor that way Feb 26 00:26:13 :-P Feb 26 00:27:45 so just for verificvation purposes, i couldn't use my existing profile till i deleted the backups Feb 26 00:33:03 rwhitby: i don't see those packages installed now anyway Feb 26 00:33:31 how would i install them now? Feb 26 00:34:49 halfway through the sprint pre2! Feb 26 00:36:02 graywolf336: I don't know if it works yet, because those ipks i copied into the tar didnt install yet Feb 26 00:46:17 while trying to install one of the sprintnavigation IPKs I get Feb 26 00:46:20 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for com.telenav.sprintnavigation: Feb 26 00:46:20 codesourcery-arm (>= 2007q3) luna-service Feb 26 00:48:17 i am wondering where i get that Feb 26 00:49:29 looks like it might not be doable Feb 26 00:49:41 dtzWill: oh noes, is vba not 2.0 ready? Feb 26 00:56:02 Tibfib: hmm? Feb 26 00:56:12 Tibfib: version in preware is, vba is/will be as soon as it gets approved. Feb 26 00:56:42 sorry been sitting on that change for longer than i should have -.- Feb 26 00:57:21 dtzWill: oh. in preware it is? I must be bad at searching Feb 26 00:57:52 Tibfib: should be. was reported working; i tried it. 1.3.4 iirc is the version fwiw. Feb 26 00:58:04 think I can install luna-service alongside luna-service2? Feb 26 00:58:13 what's the title in preware? VisualBoyAdvance? Feb 26 00:58:19 yezzir Feb 26 00:58:32 benklop, what is the intended goal? Feb 26 00:58:41 running sprint navigation Feb 26 00:58:41 and yeah quick inspection of the preware feeds says 100% it's there (didn't disappear or anything :P lol) Feb 26 00:58:42 dtzWill: can't seem to find it :( Feb 26 00:58:52 on your pre2? Feb 26 01:00:13 hmm. I didn't test that on my pre2, but did on a webos 2.x device. Feb 26 01:00:25 and by "didn't" test I tested on the DEVICE but didn't confirm the preware push. Feb 26 01:01:16 hmmm Feb 26 01:01:21 I'll wait for the catalog update then Feb 26 01:01:23 well there's no maxwebosversion set :( idk why it wouldn't show up. Feb 26 01:02:14 sprint navigation depends on luna-service and codesourcery-arm Feb 26 01:02:27 i expect i can get codesourcery-arm, not so sure about the other.. Feb 26 01:02:49 anyone else with a pre2 able to see if visualboyadvance shows up? Feb 26 01:03:25 i'm at work, otherwise i'd try it myself for ya :). Feb 26 01:03:49 Tibfib, my Pre2 on VZW can see it Feb 26 01:03:57 does the verizon pre2 have vz navigator? Feb 26 01:04:01 scoutcamper: thanks Feb 26 01:04:05 scoutcamper: ty Feb 26 01:04:13 I have an unlocked gsm pre 2 Feb 26 01:04:27 yes Feb 26 01:04:44 benklop: those things are missing of course due to 1.4.5 to 2.0 changes Feb 26 01:05:02 you should not try and just blindly install the dependencies - that will only cause you pain Feb 26 01:05:37 rwhitby: yeah. i figure since codesourcery is a mire generic package it can probably be installed from optware and work, but the luna-serve requirement seems like a deal breaker Feb 26 01:06:06 no idea what word was supposed to go where mire is.. Feb 26 01:06:19 benklop: re: codesourcery, absolutely not. Feb 26 01:06:29 no? oh. Feb 26 01:06:36 impostah is also not showing up Feb 26 01:06:39 no, absolutely not. Feb 26 01:07:26 the toolchain changed between 1.4.5 and 2.0, you can't install two sets of operating system libraries on a single device Feb 26 01:08:09 that'd be true. i didn't realize that library was already there.. apparently its a bad version then Feb 26 01:08:16 Quick question about 2.1. Is the virtual keyboard accessible? I've been playing around with it and can't find a way to load it Feb 26 01:08:27 it doesn't show in ipkg list Feb 26 01:09:09 so I don't seem to be having any luck here Feb 26 01:09:12 I installed the sdk Feb 26 01:09:14 if it is but doesn't show, i'd be tempted to force install the package to see if it works, but the luna-service thing will certainly break it. Feb 26 01:09:15 I installed novaterm Feb 26 01:09:27 when I run the webosdr it stil doesn't have "next' Feb 26 01:09:29 light up Feb 26 01:09:41 I'm assuming that the process isn't running (novacom) Feb 26 01:09:46 but I can't figure out how to start it.. Feb 26 01:10:03 benklop: of course it's a bad version. THE TOOLCHAIN CHANGED! Feb 26 01:10:19 you can't just blindly try and install something built for 1.4.5 on a 2.0 device Feb 26 01:11:09 and the whole luna-serve infrastructure changed in incompatble ways. Feb 26 01:11:39 i know that went to a javascript interpreter instead of java Feb 26 01:11:47 izkeepsitreal: You have devmode on as well? Feb 26 01:11:50 ah, no. Feb 26 01:11:58 benklop: completely orthogonal Feb 26 01:12:12 on my pre? Feb 26 01:12:16 its on 1.4.5 Feb 26 01:12:24 with dev mode on yes Feb 26 01:13:01 I'm trying to remember how I set it up on Ubuntu as well, might take me a min Feb 26 01:13:26 I've googled a bunch of shit.. not havin much luck Feb 26 01:13:57 hola people! Feb 26 01:14:11 is internals-scale the Webos-Internals Scale Booth? Feb 26 01:14:13 sorry for being a bit of a dunce on the toolchain thing. what exactly did they change? new version of libc? new gcc? more than that? Feb 26 01:14:15 yes Feb 26 01:14:17 izkeepsitreal: Did you install novacom via Ubuntu Software Center? Feb 26 01:14:32 snotball007: yes downloaded it from hp site Feb 26 01:14:42 the sdk Feb 26 01:14:48 and novacom Feb 26 01:14:54 Okay, cause I ran into problems with it. I downloaded the wrong version at the time Feb 26 01:15:10 internals-scale, hey, you guys got any pics to share from on-site? Feb 26 01:15:20 its located in usr/local/bin Feb 26 01:15:45 not yet! Feb 26 01:15:50 (tis halfhalo atm btw) Feb 26 01:16:37 I'm showing I have novacom and novaterm in said folder Feb 26 01:17:00 ok... Feb 26 01:17:16 if I Type "ps" in term Feb 26 01:17:22 I don't see it running as a PID Feb 26 01:17:30 * internals-scale reboots for video driver Feb 26 01:18:24 I think this problem has officially become over my head at this point. Can't think why it isn't running if you have the correct versions installed Feb 26 01:18:39 yea.. Feb 26 01:18:41 shit..\ Feb 26 01:19:00 if I already have the .jar file compiled can I export it from a virtual environment into say windows Feb 26 01:19:08 isntall in windows Feb 26 01:19:17 then finish in ubuntu ? Feb 26 01:19:24 izkeepsitreal, you are on ubuntu, yes? Feb 26 01:19:38 win 7 virtual ubuntu Feb 26 01:19:57 izkeepsitreal, then are you running openjdk or java? Feb 26 01:20:04 I think that might make a difference. :-p Feb 26 01:20:07 java Feb 26 01:20:21 Hi, I'm running Cygwin and following directions on webos internals. It says "navigate to the meta-doctor directory in the terminal." How do I do this? Feb 26 01:20:49 izkeepsitreal, what version of ubuntu are you on? Feb 26 01:20:53 10.10 Feb 26 01:21:17 then you enabled partner feeds to get java? Feb 26 01:21:30 that I am not sure Feb 26 01:21:34 how do I check? Feb 26 01:21:44 you would know if you did Feb 26 01:21:57 I have the runtime/web feeds Feb 26 01:22:01 enabled/installed Feb 26 01:22:05 give me a sec Feb 26 01:22:07 ok Feb 26 01:25:26 (if i wasnt building my vzw doctor my laptop pc is running slow) Feb 26 01:25:56 sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ maverick partner" Feb 26 01:26:09 sudo apt-get update Feb 26 01:26:10 sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk Feb 26 01:26:18 that will install real java Feb 26 01:26:24 not open jdk Feb 26 01:27:18 ok Feb 26 01:28:32 * internals-scale has laptops setup Feb 26 01:28:53 internals-scale, what, people will be able to see the IRC tommorow? Feb 26 01:29:03 yup Feb 26 01:29:18 uh-oh, we better stay on task then :-b Feb 26 01:29:44 skype is being installed Feb 26 01:30:21 am I still online? wow :) Feb 26 01:33:18 http://qik.com/video/37963276 Feb 26 01:38:25 was that when the Apple ninjas attacked? Feb 26 01:39:29 yes Feb 26 01:39:51 * internals-scale goes to yell at people/get food Feb 26 01:40:11 djwhitey: did you really uninstall the app catalog with preware? Feb 26 01:40:42 djwhitey, what version? 2.1? Feb 26 01:43:26 who developed webosqi? Feb 26 01:43:37 and is he/she on now? lol Feb 26 01:45:29 PatrickC_Pre, that was Jason of Canuck Coding Feb 26 01:45:39 (i cant spell his last name) Feb 26 01:46:00 ok I'm having an issue with it Feb 26 01:46:07 elaborate Feb 26 01:46:18 he is not in the channel...he only drops by occasionally Feb 26 01:46:27 it keeps trying to install GNU and LDSFF on my pre Feb 26 01:46:36 (I think that's how you spell them :p) Feb 26 01:46:50 lsdiff? Feb 26 01:47:01 yes, lsdiff, thanks idw2k Feb 26 01:47:07 np Feb 26 01:47:42 PatrickC_Pre, what pc os? what device? what device os? Feb 26 01:47:48 and I'm trying to mod a patch, but it keeps giving me a error, and I think that is part of the problem Feb 26 01:47:53 what version of webosqi Feb 26 01:47:59 4.03 Feb 26 01:48:13 and its XP Pro, and Pre+ Feb 26 01:49:22 who wrote the sprint-pre script for meta-doctor? was it Rod? Feb 26 01:49:27 yes Feb 26 01:49:43 cool, I have a mac os tweak for him Feb 26 01:49:55 wait, doesn't he run mac os? I thought he did Feb 26 01:50:08 rwhitby: you around? Feb 26 01:50:23 yes I do Feb 26 01:50:56 ah, it's looking for md5sum on my mac Feb 26 01:51:15 I think you can do md5 -r to get the same output Feb 26 01:51:15 yes, the MetaDoctor page advises you to install it from MacPorts Feb 26 01:51:37 are you sure the output is identical? Feb 26 01:51:41 ahh sorry, I must have missed that Feb 26 01:51:53 rwhitby, just finished bulding the vzw 2.1 pre+ doctor, where is the jar outputted to? Feb 26 01:51:59 Not positive, but I've used it in the past Feb 26 01:52:16 etx`: I believe when I tried it I could not get output suitable to use in the scripts. Feb 26 01:52:55 if you can get it to work properly, I'll be happy to put it in. Feb 26 01:53:00 ahh ok, thought i'd run it past you since I had to fight that same battle in the past Feb 26 01:53:35 scoutcamper: it's in the build directory Feb 26 01:53:57 idw2k, thanks, found it Feb 26 01:54:03 np Feb 26 01:54:06 my touchscreen just stopped working..... :/ Feb 26 01:54:08 etx`: looks like it differs by a spae Feb 26 01:54:10 pace Feb 26 01:54:26 ahhh! lol great Feb 26 01:54:48 example output from -r : dcd10379664f7331bdd8d372b33487df ./castlecdmafw.tar Feb 26 01:56:25 etx`: the output has to be able to be used to replace lines in the md5sums files in the rootfs and /usr/lib/ipkg/info directories Feb 26 01:59:49 rebooting to see if my touchscreen still works :/ Feb 26 02:00:07 rwhitby: output on stdout looks identical to me http://webos.pastebin.com/EyRGhveH Feb 26 02:00:45 I wonder what palm used QT4 for in Webos 2.0, it's not in previous versions Feb 26 02:02:45 luna was rewritten in qt for 2.0 i am pretty sure Feb 26 02:02:47 so .. everything ? Feb 26 02:03:07 all of the user interface, yes. Feb 26 02:03:26 ah wow, cool Feb 26 02:03:39 they should let us build qt powered apps then Feb 26 02:03:42 heh Feb 26 02:04:21 you have been able to do that for a long time already. there are a number of demo Qt apps in Preware Feb 26 02:04:33 yeah I remember those Feb 26 02:05:26 more importantly, where are hybrid apps in app catalog?!?! Feb 26 02:05:35 waiting for approval Feb 26 02:05:47 indeed Feb 26 02:05:57 how long have they been waiting? Feb 26 02:06:01 and even more importantly, where is my dev Pre2?! Feb 26 02:10:25 does opening my device void my warranty? Feb 26 02:10:58 yes Feb 26 02:11:08 man Feb 26 02:11:08 * halfhalo lost the rest of the scale peeps Feb 26 02:11:34 my touchscreen stopped working... :/ any fixes without opening it up? Feb 26 02:11:43 I have insurance on it Feb 26 02:11:55 make a claim on insurance then Feb 26 02:12:12 I will probably do that Feb 26 02:12:27 halfhalo, good excuse to go home then Feb 26 02:12:29 :D Feb 26 02:13:22 I'm going to call Sprint when it comes back up from a batt pull Feb 26 02:13:43 joebpre, I broke my pixi :'( Feb 26 02:13:43 what up all Feb 26 02:13:49 what ? Feb 26 02:13:58 what happened ? Feb 26 02:14:21 touchscreen stopped working after I dropped it... Feb 26 02:14:43 where you drop it and how hi ? Feb 26 02:14:52 PatrickC_Pre, be sure to doctor back to stock before you send it back Feb 26 02:14:54 Why is that Sprints fault? Feb 26 02:15:02 maybe the powers to be want you on a pre 3 :-) Feb 26 02:15:22 s/hi/high Feb 26 02:15:37 they don't care, I have taken them an overclocked device like 5 times lol Feb 26 02:15:45 lol Feb 26 02:16:02 flashing my modem firmware on a friday night. /nerdlife Feb 26 02:16:17 PatrickC_Pre: is you pre still on 1.4.5 or 2.1 ? Feb 26 02:16:27 I dropped it on the ground from about 2-3 ft Feb 26 02:16:36 and its a Pixi, no 2.1 :/ Feb 26 02:17:03 no your current pre your one PatrickC_Pre Feb 26 02:17:14 s/one/on Feb 26 02:17:19 1 sec Feb 26 02:18:03 halfhalo: how long from now to the BOF meeting, and do we want to test skype ? Feb 26 02:18:12 I'm thinking of going back to 1.4.5 0_o Feb 26 02:18:39 just for the neck of it Feb 26 02:19:01 org 2.1 spellcheck Feb 26 02:19:11 I give up Feb 26 02:26:20 rwhitby, I think it got pushed back, and I dunno about skype for it. I know its on a laptop at the booth, but besides that Feb 26 02:26:41 it was supposed to be at 9pm, right? Feb 26 02:26:52 I'm not sure Feb 26 02:27:00 halfhalo: I haven't seen any tweet about a change to that. Feb 26 02:27:32 I don't think rick or tom have had time to tweet Feb 26 02:27:55 but they should show up at the rackspace thing soonish, so I will ask then Feb 26 02:29:31 this would be so much easier if I could find jack and he had his radio on te right channel Feb 26 02:30:05 damn i was hoping for a newer version of node.js in 2.1.0 Feb 26 02:34:40 hehe... found jacques ad jack87 Feb 26 02:35:16 jack87 is awesome Feb 26 02:36:11 he says hi Feb 26 02:36:30 kool Feb 26 02:36:32 lol, Feb 26 02:38:53 your with Jack87? Feb 26 02:39:44 pics! :) Feb 26 02:42:46 halfhalo, any idea when dates for scale next year will be announced? Feb 26 02:44:08 no Feb 26 02:44:17 he was in the qik video Feb 26 02:45:07 was rick-away the oter one? Feb 26 02:45:13 other* Feb 26 02:45:19 no Feb 26 02:45:43 Tom? Feb 26 02:47:20 halfhalo, tell jack to get on irc Feb 26 02:47:54 no Feb 26 02:48:03 we be at rackspace event Feb 26 02:48:07 ahh Feb 26 02:48:08 ok Feb 26 02:48:29 hi Jack87 Feb 26 02:48:53 hay jack87 Feb 26 02:49:11 rwhitby cryptk|offline said skype is a go in two hours and to email him your skype info Feb 26 02:49:28 is there a JRE for webos Feb 26 02:49:44 nooooooo Feb 26 02:49:49 that is wrong and evil Feb 26 02:50:01 what is wrong? Feb 26 02:50:31 hey patrick! Feb 26 02:50:39 hi scout! Feb 26 02:50:40 hey Feb 26 02:50:51 scoutcamper that's cheatin Feb 26 02:50:54 hi cryptk Feb 26 02:50:55 sorry, at a rackspace happy hour Feb 26 02:50:58 I tried to install Ubuntu on my Win7 machine Feb 26 02:51:13 but yeah, email me your skype name rwhitby Feb 26 02:51:16 halfhalo, i used telepathy to call him :D Feb 26 02:51:21 howdy Feb 26 02:51:23 and we re all here! Feb 26 02:51:41 * halfhalo is the only one on irc here not on a pre Feb 26 02:51:51 foot scale! Feb 26 02:51:52 grrr Feb 26 02:51:54 woot Dan spell correct Feb 26 02:52:03 halfhalo, all except ka6sox :D Feb 26 02:52:20 we lost him and rick somewere Feb 26 02:52:35 hmm where _is_ ka6sox? Feb 26 02:52:50 they must be off mucking arround with A/V stuff Feb 26 02:52:58 the mentoring roundtable is where I left em Feb 26 02:53:01 brb Feb 26 02:53:35 upscale starts in an hour Feb 26 02:53:37 did it work out Patricia. sorry bit busy Feb 26 02:54:15 guy in pengiun suit Feb 26 02:54:39 jacques_pre Jack87 cryptk, any idea when dates for next years scale get announced? Feb 26 02:55:03 I am lost what is everyone talking about... I need more beer! Cryptk wont give me his badge Feb 26 02:55:31 use the radio! Feb 26 02:56:50 hahaha, I am the only one with a staff badge Feb 26 02:57:06 we hate you Feb 26 02:58:12 hello :) anyone out there by chance ever have an issue with webos doctor (and all other apps like activation bypass) not being able to actually properly reboot the device? Feb 26 02:58:29 i have a pixi plus, i'm afraid might be bricked in an unusual way Feb 26 02:58:40 chrispy_, what OS version? What Desktop OS? Feb 26 02:58:52 i activated it, used the internet for a bits, went to make a phone call - and fail. Feb 26 02:58:55 1.4.0 Feb 26 02:59:09 so i looked around, the MEID and PRL were both 0 Feb 26 02:59:12 doctor to 1.4.5 Feb 26 02:59:14 which was odd Feb 26 02:59:22 i tried, but it fails when it reboots at 4% Feb 26 02:59:39 tried it on about 5 different pcs, osx, windows and linux Feb 26 02:59:44 put the device into recovery mode Feb 26 02:59:48 pull battery Feb 26 02:59:53 did that, no go **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 26 02:59:57 2011