**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 27 02:59:57 2011 Feb 27 03:00:46 rwhitby: out of curiosity, what do the tokens have to do with the battery/charging? Feb 27 03:01:20 BATToCH and BATToRSP Feb 27 03:01:24 challenge/response Feb 27 03:01:42 i see Feb 27 03:02:25 if you don't use my Show Properties app to extract your tokens in an email, it's easy to leave off digits from the end of BATT0RSP Feb 27 03:02:37 I was using BATToRSP=1CCAA0AFD02D375FF257C3C08B940E065D794E and BATToCH=43CB072818047E72 Feb 27 03:03:11 you're right, i sure did type them by hand Feb 27 03:03:21 don't do tokens by hand Feb 27 03:03:31 we provide tools for that Feb 27 03:04:10 Show Properties available in the feeds? Feb 27 03:05:00 of course Feb 27 03:05:05 * rwhitby bbl Feb 27 03:07:06 so, uh: I'm getting a Pre 2 this week, but I'd like to read up and become less of an idiot beforehand. Besides clicking around randomly on the wiki, does anyone have any suggested "overview" style reading? Feb 27 03:08:39 interesting... pre- 2 has an actdate of 6/19/09 Feb 27 03:59:39 hello Feb 27 04:13:43 jack87 so, what's up? Feb 27 04:19:40 hi PatrickC_Pre ... noda i am just chilling here man Feb 27 04:19:56 awesome lol Feb 27 04:20:10 I'm helping someone get a LED flashlight on their pre Feb 27 04:20:18 they thought my app did that :p Feb 27 04:20:35 lol Feb 27 04:20:39 yea.... Feb 27 04:21:09 and they dont know what I mean when I say "What version are you running? 1.4.5, 2.0.1, or 2.1?" Feb 27 04:23:51 hey Jack87 Feb 27 04:24:22 linuxjacques, hi. Feb 27 04:25:10 so jack, I tried to go ubuntu, but didn't know what to do once I booted it into VBox Feb 27 04:27:52 jack87, how do I install in a VBox? do I have it take over the whole partition? Feb 27 04:27:58 linuxjacques, where are you Feb 27 04:28:47 PatrickC_Pre, create a vbox... dynamic drive i would recommended 30 gigs. 1-2 gigs of ram. Feb 27 04:29:13 download the iso.... and mount it to the vbox virtual cd drive and booth the machine. Feb 27 04:29:14 then what? how do I install it inside the vbox? Feb 27 04:29:35 then what? Feb 27 04:29:49 after booted use "install ubuntu options".... is that where you are? Feb 27 04:29:55 when I go to install, it wants to take over the whole drive Feb 27 04:30:02 where I was Feb 27 04:30:14 the whole virtual drive? Feb 27 04:30:29 idk, it just said the whole drive Feb 27 04:30:39 I don't have it in front of me right now though Feb 27 04:31:00 create your own partition for a swap partition equal to the amount of ram you granted it Feb 27 04:31:34 and than you can grant the rest of it to root. or you can just let ubuntu isntaller do it for you it should be good. Feb 27 04:31:36 Jack87, I'm in my hotel room Feb 27 04:31:37 over my head :p Feb 27 04:31:48 linuxjacques, meet up with me please. Feb 27 04:31:58 PatrickC_Pre, i can help you another time Feb 27 04:32:05 yea Feb 27 04:32:06 sorry i been so busy lately Feb 27 04:32:10 definatly Feb 27 04:32:18 I'm not at the computer anyway Feb 27 04:32:37 cool. ya it will be easier if you were not so hard Feb 27 04:32:51 Jack87, where are you? Feb 27 04:33:15 in 9007... meet at loby? Feb 27 04:33:31 Jack87, OK lobby in 5 minutes? Feb 27 04:33:39 sounds good thank you Feb 27 04:33:47 see you there Feb 27 04:33:58 PatrickC_Pre, i need to go have a good evening Feb 27 04:34:07 night jack Feb 27 04:34:10 if i just doctored my phone (clean 1.4.5) and the data connection is disabled, is there any way of enabling the connection? Feb 27 04:34:10 have a good one Feb 27 04:34:27 bypass activation? and then enable data? Feb 27 04:34:30 or re-doctor Feb 27 04:34:48 i've re-doctored multipule times Feb 27 04:34:58 hmmm Feb 27 04:35:02 i might bypass activation and enable it.. good idea Feb 27 04:35:06 personal device I presume? Feb 27 04:35:23 one i'm trying to get activated for my mom Feb 27 04:35:28 was it a meta-doctor? Feb 27 04:35:44 nope clean download from palm Feb 27 04:35:51 hmm Feb 27 04:36:14 i'd try the bypass and activate it, then erase apps&data Feb 27 04:36:40 I mean bypass activation, enable data, then erase apps&data Feb 27 04:36:55 nothing's on it is the thing... but i'm gonna try and bypass and enable data... was just curious if there was a way to do it via terminal Feb 27 04:37:11 not that I know of Feb 27 04:37:17 maybe lund-send commands Feb 27 04:37:20 in novaterm Feb 27 04:37:52 gonna see... Feb 27 04:38:15 check #webos Feb 27 04:38:24 they would no novaterm more then me :p Feb 27 04:38:47 lol i'll try your suggestion first Feb 27 04:39:22 ok Feb 27 04:39:28 lemme know what happens Feb 27 04:40:18 * halfhalo is full Feb 27 04:40:53 * PatrickC_Pre is tired and wishes he knew more coding.. and wishes this guy would google what I tell him about Feb 27 04:41:45 so, I tell this guy about Preware, and he asks "What is Preware? Is it under the Reset Options?" Feb 27 04:43:33 Lol Feb 27 04:43:41 yea.... Feb 27 04:47:15 wow so much faster download speeds of the webos doctors tonight! Feb 27 04:47:48 why? Feb 27 04:47:54 better connection :p Feb 27 04:48:45 no i think not as many people are downloading to do the 2.1 update :p Feb 27 04:49:14 lol, are you going to meta-doctor it for her :p Feb 27 04:49:28 shhhhhhhh! :p Feb 27 04:49:37 what? lol Feb 27 04:49:59 idk lol but yes i am Feb 27 04:49:59 the meta-doc is fun :D Feb 27 04:50:23 then meta-doc and enable data in the meta-doc Feb 27 04:51:16 how do you do that? Feb 27 04:51:19 111 people in here :p Feb 27 04:51:27 rwhitby: ping! Feb 27 04:51:31 oil: ping! Feb 27 04:51:40 idk these people will know :) Feb 27 04:53:11 i didn't figure anyone in the #webos channel would know Feb 27 04:53:23 they might Feb 27 04:53:34 I'm in that one too, asking Feb 27 04:53:55 yeah... gonna do some researching Feb 27 04:53:58 cryptk: ping! Feb 27 04:54:19 infobot: MetaDoctor Feb 27 04:55:37 sconix: any meta-doctor experience? Feb 27 04:57:12 graywolf336, wish I could be of more help, but I gotta go to bed Feb 27 04:57:24 talk to yall tomorrow sometime :) Feb 27 04:58:05 night everyone Feb 27 05:11:34 * bhuey crossfingers for metadoctor to be stable enough to use in a few weeks Feb 27 05:12:07 is there a way to turn the data connection on via novaterm? Feb 27 05:14:16 mind blown Feb 27 05:44:59 yo Feb 27 05:45:26 hi joebpre Feb 27 05:46:39 man .. I'm missing 2.1 Feb 27 05:46:41 lol Feb 27 05:49:56 if 1.4.5 had stacks it would rock Feb 27 05:51:14 if HP kept their promises then we would all be running official 2.1 Feb 27 05:52:48 yea Feb 27 05:52:59 My Sprint original Pre has been stuck for a week on 1x roaming. Any idea what could be wrong? Feb 27 05:53:22 it's weird going from 2.1 stacks back to 1.4.5 Feb 27 05:53:29 quotemstr, when my vzw pre+ did that i had to do a *228(reprogramming) Feb 27 05:53:44 idk for sprint though Feb 27 05:54:36 That does nothing. :-( Feb 27 05:54:51 joebpre: I was thinking about metadoctoring up to 2.1. Why go back? Feb 27 05:54:55 yeah, its verizon specefic Feb 27 05:56:52 quotemestr: try ##MSL# but then you have to have a 6 digit lock code from sprint. if i was smart i would have wrote it down Feb 27 05:57:22 quotemstr, according to what google says *228 and wait 60 seconds works fine Feb 27 05:58:23 scoutcamper: Did that (in the dialpad). Nothing visible happened. Feb 27 05:58:29 Ahh. Feb 27 05:58:31 hrm Feb 27 05:58:36 is this frankenpre? Feb 27 05:58:43 Nope; normal Pre 1.4.latest. Feb 27 05:59:09 k Feb 27 05:59:14 it should work Feb 27 05:59:17 idk why it isnt Feb 27 05:59:27 sprint? Feb 27 05:59:48 you got an old dumb phone you can change service to, then switch back to pre-? Feb 27 06:03:12 scoutcamper: I have another Pre. Feb 27 06:03:27 that works Feb 27 06:03:42 So I should go on the website, change service to my old Pre, then change it back to my new Pre? Feb 27 06:05:35 yes Feb 27 06:05:52 but do the full activation process on both Feb 27 06:06:04 dont just switch on web then switch back Feb 27 06:09:22 Hrm. I'll give it a shot. Feb 27 06:09:23 Thanks. Feb 27 06:35:53 never ran this pre at 1ghz Feb 27 06:39:21 any reports on how the crowds at scale are reacting to the demos? Feb 27 06:45:33 rwhitby: i flashed back to 1.4.5 then to 2.1 again without messing with tokens. still getting -20mA when charging. did the 1.4.5 doctor not reset my tokens? is there any way to fix them? Feb 27 06:49:52 i'm thinking the doctors don't mess w/ the tokens at all & i might be SOL Feb 27 06:51:12 doctors don't touch the tokens unless you modify castle.xml, no Feb 27 06:52:30 so if I possibly fat-fingered one when i was saving them off, there's no way to recover it if I've already overwritten? Feb 27 06:53:32 i.e. I didn't use Show Properties =( Feb 27 06:55:04 yeah, the whole reason we made showprops was so people wouldn't mess anything up by misstyping anything Feb 27 06:56:30 specifically the ones i think may be wrong is BATToCH/BATToRSP Feb 27 06:56:35 s/are/is Feb 27 06:56:53 according to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery they're "mystery" ones... Feb 27 06:59:56 sigh... back to 1.4.5 to see if it keeps draining Feb 27 07:08:30 djwhitey: the good news is that you can use any pair of those tokens Feb 27 07:08:40 djwhitey: you just need a matching pair Feb 27 07:09:56 * halfhalo waves hello Feb 27 07:10:05 "BATToCH" = "B22403A2A80C33A3" Feb 27 07:10:06 "BATToRSP" = "2EC26121FCDD9A803390EB3F91DE3C422B95DE97" Feb 27 07:10:09 djwhitey: use those Feb 27 07:10:52 that's the challenge/response it uses to determine if it's a real battery or not Feb 27 07:11:14 do you have a 'real' battery? Feb 27 07:11:46 or maybe 2.1 reflashed the battery firmware and changed the challenge/response logic, and so they had to change it? Feb 27 07:12:53 geist: he hand-copied the response Feb 27 07:13:03 ouch Feb 27 07:13:08 could be they obsoleted some of the C/R pairs Feb 27 07:13:15 and put in a new algorithm on the batteries Feb 27 07:13:57 anyone here that can help me with something? Feb 27 07:13:59 geist: more likely he left off the last couple of digits - many people have done that when copying from the screen Feb 27 07:14:04 yah Feb 27 07:14:15 it has to do with save/restore Feb 27 07:14:15 you and your occam's razor Feb 27 07:15:46 doesn't that ever get dull? Feb 27 07:16:01 richajf: shoot Feb 27 07:16:12 every time I try to save application data it throws an error saying permission denied Feb 27 07:17:08 richajf: what's different about your device to a standard unmodified one? Feb 27 07:17:48 I'm running uberkernel and have various patches installed. that's about it. Feb 27 07:17:57 on a verizon pre+ Feb 27 07:18:55 rwhitby: i was the first to notice ;) Feb 27 07:19:08 djwhitey: first to notice what? Feb 27 07:19:51 the files it's saying I don't have permissions to are as follows... Feb 27 07:20:03 anyone who can look at the git log can figure it out real fast, haha Feb 27 07:20:37 sorry, thought that was _your_ tweet. http://twitter.com/webosinternals Feb 27 07:21:10 looks like rouge8 might've beat me to it though. darn Feb 27 07:21:19 djwhitey: it was. :) Feb 27 07:21:36 1: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/zip/settings.lua Feb 27 07:21:39 but no-one could have flashed it that fast, so they cheated. Feb 27 07:21:49 uggg... now I have to reflash the two demo devices I have Feb 27 07:22:37 rwhitby: actually it looks like I don't have permissions for that whole directory/path Feb 27 07:22:51 i'm re-building it now ... gonna use that token pair you gave me. thanks Feb 27 07:22:55 richajf: there is no such file Feb 27 07:23:38 ah well, it makes for a good show having them being flashed for everyone to see Feb 27 07:24:28 brings in way more people than you would think Feb 27 07:25:41 actually, i hand-copied all of the tokens listed in http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html ... hope i didn't muck any others up Feb 27 07:27:28 so many times I've asked that guy to change the first post to tell people to use show properties. Feb 27 07:27:30 sigh. Feb 27 07:27:42 there should be a video of the whole process but with a sprint pre and a pre2 up sometime tomorrow I think Feb 27 07:27:43 I wonder if livinofframen might modify his step-by-step: Step 1: Extract working Sprint Pre Tokens to say use Show Properties Feb 27 07:27:49 yea Feb 27 07:27:52 idiots who put up a step by step on a forum post instead of a wiki page Feb 27 07:28:25 idiots because they *never* go back and improve that post Feb 27 07:28:48 maybe a mod could copy what he's got to a wiki page, edit his post with a link to it? Feb 27 07:30:25 mods won't do that Feb 27 07:30:43 the mods are the same people who write the front-page articles and don't go back and update them either Feb 27 07:31:05 hell, the wiki page is already there: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre%2B_on_Sprint Feb 27 07:32:52 yep, and note that it says to use Show Properties ;) Feb 27 07:34:03 xD Feb 27 07:37:48 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/236332-very-simple-facebook-chat-patch.html#post2305008 Feb 27 07:37:55 shouldn't this just work with 2.1.0, too? Feb 27 07:38:41 all the messaging app has changed drastically from 1.x to 2.x Feb 27 07:38:51 s/all/The entire/ Feb 27 07:38:52 NuttyBunny meant: The entire the messaging app has changed drastically from 1.x to 2.x Feb 27 07:38:54 this patches the host file, not the messaging app Feb 27 07:39:06 ah.. Feb 27 07:39:07 hehehe Feb 27 07:39:20 then it should ;) Feb 27 07:53:19 "but then again, carrying around a Pre these days shows a level of platform defiance that isn't for the faint of heart, either, so you're no stranger to bravery." Feb 27 07:55:35 haha Feb 27 07:56:47 you see that article on engadget? Feb 27 07:56:52 yep Feb 27 07:56:58 funny guy Feb 27 07:57:51 is that custom boot logo animated? like does it pulse? about to flash with it now using the token pair you gave me for BATT* Feb 27 08:01:02 let us know Feb 27 08:02:37 batt was getting -20mA when charging in 1.4.5 too so i must've fat-fingered one of BATToCH/BATToRSP Feb 27 08:02:49 lesson learned Feb 27 08:05:02 Hey, is there an easy way to change the locale for a single app? I'm think about the voice dialer, use my Pre with en_mx, but the voice dialer with en_us... Ideas? I've already tried switching files in the language packs, but whenever I do that the voice dialer doesn't run anymore :) Feb 27 08:06:03 the initial boot logo doesn't pulse. you can copy it into the root filesystem as well to make it pulse. Feb 27 08:07:11 was j/w. ugh. waiting for battery to get back up to 25% so it'll start flashing Feb 27 08:09:04 there it goes Feb 27 08:51:45 omg it's charging now. rwhitby. THANK YOU Feb 27 08:51:56 s/,/. Feb 27 10:17:12 Anyone else having any problems with fb contact syncing on 2.1.0? Feb 27 13:06:31 has anyone played with using any bdb (berkeley DB) tools to access the webOS 2 DB? Feb 27 13:10:40 using "db4.8_dump -p" prints a lot of \4 and \2 bytes, so I assume that has a special meaning for webOS Feb 27 13:23:06 Anyone had any success with synergy on 2.1.0? Feb 27 13:23:12 I can't get fb to work =/ Feb 27 13:23:18 fb contacts that is Feb 27 14:25:49 hello sleeping beauties Feb 27 14:35:47 no sleep for the wicked Feb 27 14:37:10 rwhitby, being trying to get the latest alpha version of linphone. can you help Feb 27 14:37:41 what device and sip provider? Feb 27 14:39:20 sip provider is draytel.org. currently using utstarcom gf210 as a client device. want to use it on uk palm pre. Feb 27 14:39:34 mawulil: see /msg and report in PreCentral thread Feb 27 14:39:47 * rwhitby bbt Feb 27 14:42:17 rwhitby, thx will do. Feb 27 14:53:00 What does it mean that my palm profile on the site still says 1.4.5? Feb 27 14:53:14 As in, I have 2.1.0 on my pre - and it seems to be working fine Feb 27 14:53:16 I can see paid apps Feb 27 14:56:51 i've tried a few patches on my pre 2 Feb 27 14:57:19 only "just charge by default" works as expected Feb 27 14:57:38 the rest fuck up the system and i need doctoring... Feb 27 15:01:10 Eek, I'm sick of doctoring now admiral0...guess I won't be trying out any patches that haven't been tested! xD Feb 27 15:01:33 Are your fb contacts syncing? mine aren't =( Feb 27 15:13:52 facebook doesn't sync much by default, did you go into accounts and enable contacts for facebook? Feb 27 15:14:02 rwhitby: I have read the forum threads on pre- to pre2, read the pre- to pre+ wosi wiki, have disassembled and (mostly correctly) reassembled a pre-. I see that a video of the process may be coming later today. I have my tokens file. What else do I need to sprintify the pre 2? Feb 27 15:14:58 the cdma -> gprs thing sounds like it makes things a bit more difficult, hardware-wise. Feb 27 15:15:14 hi Feb 27 15:15:31 hi Feb 27 15:15:33 admiral0: found the problem in Terminus Feb 27 15:15:41 and? Feb 27 15:15:45 what was it? Feb 27 15:16:12 you need to add a special jailer for it Feb 27 15:16:26 echo 5670:5000:${PID}:/dev/null:/etc/jail_native-palm.conf >> /var/palm/data/jailusers Feb 27 15:16:45 oh Feb 27 15:16:47 you might need to delete the old entry in the file afterwards Feb 27 15:17:07 :${ Feb 27 15:17:08 the type "game" has different jail settings than before Feb 27 15:17:27 that's why Terminus runs now in a jail Feb 27 15:17:40 poor Terminux Feb 27 15:17:48 with the entry 5670:5000:${PID}:/dev/null:/etc/jail_native-palm.conf you free it again Feb 27 15:17:56 s/inux/uins/ Feb 27 15:17:56 admiral0 meant: poor Termuins Feb 27 15:18:10 oh fuck it, i'm still sleepy -.- Feb 27 15:18:14 one could of course edit the /etc/jail_game.conf file Feb 27 15:18:39 but it will affect all apps with type game Feb 27 15:19:45 we need a way to escape jail Feb 27 15:19:58 no jail for homebrew Feb 27 15:20:52 if you echo something like pardon somewhere, then everything runs outside the jail Feb 27 15:20:53 :\ Feb 27 15:21:05 hmm Feb 27 15:21:13 that's not safe Feb 27 15:21:20 echo pardon > /etc/nojail Feb 27 15:21:23 i said some BS sorry Feb 27 15:21:49 hmm nice Feb 27 15:22:08 if you want a single thing, look at how preware does it .. i believe it runs unjailed while other things are jailed Feb 27 15:22:19 single non-jailed js services i think are still a mystery now Feb 27 15:22:54 i have a guide for setting up novacom on archlinux Feb 27 15:23:27 wiki is a good place to stash i Feb 27 15:23:28 t Feb 27 15:23:41 :D Feb 27 15:23:42 sure Feb 27 15:24:03 novacom needs ubuntu's libusb Feb 27 15:24:20 RagingMind: Oops, took my time to reply - Yep, I've done that =/ Feb 27 15:25:10 * admiral0 is installing terminus Feb 27 15:25:38 also all java services don't work any more Feb 27 15:25:44 finally Feb 27 15:28:19 MetaView: your command doesn't work Feb 27 15:29:01 have you made the drive writable? Feb 27 15:29:15 pre2 has it writeable by default Feb 27 15:29:20 what? Feb 27 15:29:22 no Feb 27 15:29:32 you need mount -o rw,remount / Feb 27 15:30:18 lol Feb 27 15:30:25 was writing on tmpfs Feb 27 15:30:30 whenever I run mount to check my file systems root is always rw Feb 27 15:30:33 was on 1.4.5 Feb 27 15:30:44 unless there's a magic line that I was missing Feb 27 15:30:51 *was on 1.4.5 too Feb 27 15:31:10 MetaView: edited existing entry Feb 27 15:31:14 now works Feb 27 15:31:16 :D Feb 27 15:34:27 fine :) Feb 27 15:35:32 no Terminus needs support for meta-tap as ctrl Feb 27 15:35:54 but I could get it compile here Feb 27 15:38:13 * admiral0 is pplaying with widk Feb 27 15:38:37 using 2.0.1 doctor :O Feb 27 15:46:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_archlinux Feb 27 15:46:42 :D Feb 27 16:04:48 Can anyone tell me what's wrong with having my palm profile on the site as still at 1.4.5? Feb 27 16:04:55 As in, how should it affect me? Feb 27 16:22:39 admiral0, you inspired me to make a wiki page Feb 27 16:22:52 for debian people: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Debian Feb 27 16:23:31 Boopop, it will limit the apps you see in the catalog to the ones that will work on 1.4.5 Feb 27 16:23:49 thought that might be it Feb 27 16:23:55 any way of fixing it? Feb 27 16:24:06 I bet you'll tell me I'd have to re-doctor Feb 27 16:24:53 what device/carrier/country? Feb 27 16:25:33 unless you're on a pre2 or on a pre (O2 germany) that got the official update, last I knew there was no way to fix that Feb 27 16:27:03 RagingMind: Pre - O2(UK) Feb 27 16:27:44 did you get an official update from HPalm? I'm not all that familiar with who in Europe got it Feb 27 16:27:55 it's just O2 Germany that dished it out Feb 27 16:28:06 O2 UK said they would "soon" on twitter 4 days ago Feb 27 16:28:09 I gave up on them tbh Feb 27 16:28:40 then you could try to sign in and update your profile, but you run the risk of trashing your palm profile Feb 27 16:29:02 update it? Feb 27 16:29:36 not totally trashing... but it could be recognized as an invalid combination of device/version/carrier and then you'd get an error that locks out out from all paid apps Feb 27 16:30:01 How do you mean update? I've signed into my normal palm profile on 2.1.0 Feb 27 16:30:18 How do you update it? Feb 27 16:30:30 * admiral0 is doing the PKGBUILD for scratchbox2 Feb 27 16:31:10 Boopop, did you use metadoctor and what script did you run if so? Feb 27 16:31:28 yes and the wr scipt Feb 27 16:31:32 script* Feb 27 16:32:03 were you following the wiki page? Feb 27 16:32:23 indeed Feb 27 16:32:42 including step 5 for "Restore palm-build-info" ? Feb 27 16:34:42 that's the file that tricks your pre and palm into thinking it's still 1.4.5, but the update to your profile is only triggered when you first log into the device (when you activate it) Feb 27 16:35:14 so if you replace that file (like in step 5) with the real one for 2.1 and then you log into your profile... it'll try to update you to 2.1 Feb 27 16:35:15 Can you link me up to the wiki page? I'm struggling to find it >.< Feb 27 16:35:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Feb 27 16:35:30 thanks Feb 27 16:35:56 Yup I remember doing those novacom commands in linux Feb 27 16:35:57 but if your country doesn't have the update yet it WILL read as an invalid combination Feb 27 16:36:25 and your profile will be set to version 9.9.9 and you won't get access to any paid apps at all Feb 27 16:36:28 So...your advice is to leave as is for the moment? Feb 27 16:36:35 for now Feb 27 16:36:50 if o2 says uk is getting the update soon... then just wait for that Feb 27 16:37:03 you're only missing access to like 3 or 5 apps at the moment anyway Feb 27 16:37:06 will that work though? Given that I have a Pre - and it'll be for the Pre + Feb 27 16:37:30 I heard from people in germany that it didn't care that they had a pre- Feb 27 16:37:52 they still had to use metadoctor to get it ON their phone, but they could update their profile to 2.1.0 and it worked Feb 27 16:37:58 yeah Feb 27 16:38:01 hmm OK :) Feb 27 16:38:06 Thanks for the info Feb 27 16:38:20 I don't have any personal experience with that though, so when it's time I suggest pestering one of the .de people that hang out in here Feb 27 16:39:08 It's working perfectly for me now Feb 27 16:39:17 other than what we just discussed obv. Feb 27 16:39:34 couldn't get fb contacts synced earlier but that seems to have fixed itself Feb 27 16:40:14 yo Feb 27 16:40:22 it takes a while for the sync to run in the background. the other option is to manually trigger a sync Feb 27 16:40:37 o hi joebpre Feb 27 16:41:13 man.. I wanna go back to 2.1 but I'm lovin being coverclockef at 1ghz on 1.4.5 Feb 27 16:44:17 stacks is drawing me :-) Feb 27 16:46:17 i want flickr integration for the photo app on 2.1...then the exhibition mode would be better me thinks Feb 27 16:46:18 I'm never ever gonna give up my stacks Feb 27 16:46:19 for me at least Feb 27 16:47:02 if it's not integrated into the OS/photos app, I'm sure most flickr apps will eventually include exhibition Feb 27 16:47:09 :) Feb 27 16:47:25 Yeah I'd hope so! xD Feb 27 16:47:33 the thing is Feb 27 16:47:45 I've relied on my pre as a clock since I got it Feb 27 16:48:02 so as nice as exhibition mode is, I fear the most practical use will still be the clock xD Feb 27 16:48:03 I can't take it I'm going to go back to 2.1 .. I will actually try the script rwhitby put up :) after all engadget is raving about it Feb 27 16:49:05 Boopop, I'm hoping for some awesome clock apps to come out to take advantage of it Feb 27 16:49:13 a steampunk clock would be nifty Feb 27 16:49:23 yeah Feb 27 16:49:35 Maybe I need to get a touchpad for the photos Feb 27 16:49:37 :P Feb 27 16:49:50 World's most expensive LCD photo frame Feb 27 16:50:52 I want a folding at home or an electric sheep app that ties into exhibition Feb 27 16:51:02 if I knew more about coding I'd try one myself Feb 27 16:51:48 tempting to teach myself on a project like that too, but other things I gotta do first Feb 27 16:52:27 what if you could dual boot 1.4.5 and 2.1 Feb 27 16:52:55 I have no interest in 1.4.5 anymore Feb 27 16:53:23 wow .. RagingMind that addict I see Feb 27 16:53:40 1.4.5 doesn't actually offer anything over 2.1 Feb 27 16:53:57 sure there's over clocking, but soon the source will be out and 2.1 will get that as well Feb 27 16:54:23 atm RagingMind it offers a oveeclocked kernel :-) .. yes I know not for long Feb 27 16:55:22 I never bothered overclocking mine on 1.4.5 either... could never justify the hit to battery life Feb 27 16:55:40 okay... I did over clock... to try it. so I suppose I can't say never Feb 27 16:57:01 RagingMind: there is a cure to the 1.4.5 battery .. it's called turn off data Feb 27 16:57:06 period! Feb 27 16:58:16 whats good Feb 27 17:01:04 need cooooooke Feb 27 17:01:30 halfhalo no, get a 6 shot coffee :D Feb 27 17:01:44