**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 28 02:59:57 2011 Feb 28 03:00:00 eh, he's still here Feb 28 03:00:39 rwhitby: do you think webos would ever support .avi codecs? Feb 28 03:01:19 Torakiki76: re-read step 3, re --wifi-only Feb 28 03:02:13 so I have to do another metadoctor with step 3 and reflash my pre? correct? Feb 28 03:02:41 that's what I would recommend Feb 28 03:03:17 sucks how palm dosent give us the option to activate our profile via wifi by default... Feb 28 03:03:42 no possibility for a patch for now like 1.4.5?correct? Feb 28 03:03:42 they cannot comply with international legal issues if they did Feb 28 03:03:56 i see Feb 28 03:04:07 Torakiki76: depends whether you want to risk Dr. Skipped Firstuse issues. Feb 28 03:04:31 * dumbledore_xp is away reboot into win. 7 Feb 28 03:04:41 ok thanks rod..;) Feb 28 03:10:25 is wIRC ever going official? Feb 28 03:11:10 as soon as HP accepts hybrid apps Feb 28 03:11:24 awesome Feb 28 03:11:43 wait... hybrid as in? Feb 28 03:11:46 note that they were *supposed* to be part of webOS 1.4.5 ... Feb 28 03:12:42 hybrid as in http://tinyurl.com/6b2xe8b Feb 28 03:13:46 LMGTFY.. thanks :p Feb 28 03:15:13 does anyone else have a really touchy ringer switch? Feb 28 03:47:48 my feet have fallen off Feb 28 03:48:13 Speaking of hybrids, couldn't wIRC be submitted as a 2.x app? :) Feb 28 03:48:59 halfhalo, go find them... and... KRAZY GLUE! krazy glue FTW Feb 28 03:49:48 NuttyBunny: no, there is other hybrid problems Feb 28 03:50:00 something about updating the app while its running failing or something Feb 28 03:50:21 oh, too bad :( Feb 28 03:51:10 I can't wait for wIRC to go official Feb 28 03:51:52 PatrickC_Pre: how will that affect your use of ti? Feb 28 03:51:53 it Feb 28 03:52:15 it's not like it will change just by becoming "official" Feb 28 03:52:22 then when I get a replacement phone, I done need preware to use an app I already use every day Feb 28 03:52:22 rwhitby: it will bring a lot more people into webos-internals to chat... ? Feb 28 03:52:32 that too. Feb 28 03:52:40 haeffb: hmm, is that a good thing? Feb 28 03:52:44 and I get *a lot* of replacements Feb 28 03:53:55 depends. for you? for PatrickC_Pre? Feb 28 03:54:25 * haeffb still hasn't attempted the pre- to pre2 Sprint Feb 28 03:54:33 haeffb: I suspect those two options are at opposite ends of the SNR spectrum. Feb 28 03:54:55 what haeffb? lol Feb 28 03:55:04 haeffb: I'd wait until we get the script published. Feb 28 03:55:45 that's what I'm doing. also a little worried about having to replace the entire back unit instead of just the comms board. the volume buttons look tricky Feb 28 03:55:48 this... is weird Feb 28 03:56:10 halfhalo_pre: it's california. it's supposed to be. Feb 28 03:56:10 what is wired halfhalo_pre? Feb 28 03:56:10 haeffb: volume buttons are easy compared to the keyboard bezel top-end clips Feb 28 03:56:17 oh, sorta kinda have a video of that Feb 28 03:56:25 s/wired/weird Feb 28 03:56:47 halfhalo_pre: second demo done yet? Feb 28 03:56:53 oh, yeah, I didn't get the bezel back correctly first try... :) Feb 28 03:56:56 is the pre- to pre2 haed? Feb 28 03:57:13 s/haed/hard/ Feb 28 03:57:14 PatrickC_Pre meant: is the pre- to pre2 hard? Feb 28 03:57:17 hard is a subjective term Feb 28 03:57:22 what's the trick to get the ends back in place? Feb 28 03:57:22 scale is over but second demo didn't go as planned all the way Feb 28 03:57:45 PatrickC_Pre: ^^ there's your answer Feb 28 03:58:01 haeffb: slide in from bottom to top of phone Feb 28 03:58:01 ok... now I don't want to do it :/ Feb 28 03:58:19 lol Feb 28 03:59:29 I might have to borrow a 15-year old's eyes to do it. Feb 28 04:00:13 although we do have a video of the last device giveaway that is awesome Feb 28 04:00:53 I'm a 15 yr old :) Feb 28 04:01:25 it is really really good Feb 28 04:01:28 finally finished my video of 2.1'ing a Pre-... rendering now Feb 28 04:01:40 haeffb: http://twitter.com/#!/RichDunbar/status/41720014516142080 Feb 28 04:01:55 oh, was doing the 2.1ing live alot Feb 28 04:02:01 first time using premiere Feb 28 04:02:06 rwhitby: yeah thats how i do it :) Feb 28 04:02:32 though, its good to make sure the little clips are "open" and weren't bent Feb 28 04:02:38 so they can go together Feb 28 04:02:45 yeah Feb 28 04:02:57 oes anybody know if the metadoctor scripts will be updated to enable the installation of flash and carrier apps automatically? Feb 28 04:02:59 i usually hit em with a little screwdriver to flare them out a bit Feb 28 04:03:02 *does Feb 28 04:03:27 Jmarlow: that has been discussed in the thread in the last 6 hours. Feb 28 04:09:10 so, that's a "yes," somebody knows...? Feb 28 04:16:38 wow 6GB for a 9 minute avi Feb 28 04:16:56 * halfhalo can beat that he thinks Feb 28 04:18:57 640x480 from a lil nikon point&shoot. the source videos didn't even total up to 2GB. wtf adobe? Feb 28 04:20:24 wait... 2GB for a process that takes what, 15 minutes? Feb 28 04:21:56 yea my source footage was 1.55GB... i cut a bunch of stuff out though, and the final rendered avi is 9min = 6GB Feb 28 04:22:49 it also stuck 2min of black screen at the end. hmm Feb 28 04:32:15 freetether not saving info in 2.1 Feb 28 04:34:43 Robi_: it did that to me in 1.4.5 as well at first.... had to play around with it to get it to stick Feb 28 04:38:30 ah Feb 28 04:45:25 hay robi_ Feb 28 04:50:26 hola Feb 28 04:51:17 what's happening? Feb 28 04:51:26 what's wrong with freetether? Feb 28 04:52:04 SSID not saving Feb 28 04:52:09 hmm Feb 28 04:52:51 I've actually noticed the same issue in 1.4.5 Feb 28 04:53:18 I haven't had that issue, as my 2.1 device doesn't have service, so its only a usb tether Feb 28 04:53:59 I didn't follow that... wouldn't you still need service to usb tether? Feb 28 04:54:28 yea, but it always worked. aren't you talking about wifi/bluetooth tethering? Feb 28 04:54:44 yes, wifi Feb 28 04:54:54 does usb use ssid? Feb 28 04:54:59 I don't think so Feb 28 04:55:12 I guess, I'm talking about sharing a data connection Feb 28 04:55:13 our 2.1 have service Feb 28 04:55:16 what Feb 28 04:55:21 usb use ssid? Feb 28 04:55:25 I only use usb tethering, my pc doesn't have wifi :'( Feb 28 04:55:38 that doesn't even make sense Feb 28 04:55:54 usb /have/ ssid Feb 28 04:56:10 no Feb 28 04:56:18 i am pretty sure they do not have a unique network identifier Feb 28 04:56:38 SineOt, I hate to bother, but how's the review coming? Feb 28 05:03:52 it's in proofreading state right now, haven't had time to really tackle it the last few days Feb 28 05:04:24 great! meaning, its almost done? within the next week maybe? Feb 28 05:05:41 probably Feb 28 05:05:52 awesome. should be good Feb 28 05:18:26 * djwhitey is back from conf call Feb 28 05:26:59 1 minute ago: "@richardkerris: @webosinternals we have work to do... stay tuned. Thanks" Feb 28 05:27:07 kernel being released? Feb 28 05:27:48 what? Feb 28 05:27:57 who is "richarkerris"? Feb 28 05:28:10 s/richaekerris/richardkerris/ Feb 28 05:28:26 HP VP Worldwide Developer Relations webOS. Feb 28 05:28:45 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Feb 28 05:28:47 lol Feb 28 05:28:57 rwhitby: RT it! Feb 28 05:29:40 I need to get a twitter :/ Feb 28 05:36:02 dont do it Feb 28 05:36:24 * oil got tricked into it Feb 28 05:37:22 swisstomcat was all "hey oil whats your email address i gotta forward you something" Feb 28 05:37:24 why not :p Feb 28 05:37:31 next email i got was a registration message from twitter Feb 28 05:37:42 then a message from him telling me the password he used Feb 28 05:37:52 lol Feb 28 05:38:04 do you use it? Feb 28 05:38:18 he spent the time to make it for you :p Feb 28 05:38:46 mostly use it to show off screenshots of things im working on Feb 28 05:38:51 it's @dontblameoil, right? Feb 28 05:38:55 lol Feb 28 05:39:07 but I like the Wheel'O'Blame Feb 28 05:39:12 yeah Feb 28 05:41:01 how's it goin Brandon? lol Feb 28 05:41:20 2.0-preware lookin nice Feb 28 05:41:36 2.0-enyo* Feb 28 05:41:52 I was gonna say, "2.0-preware?!?!" Feb 28 05:42:38 lol Feb 28 05:42:49 http://i51.tinypic.com/149598n.png Feb 28 05:43:02 it still looks about the same, lol Feb 28 05:44:21 I just say that Feb 28 05:44:21 looks nice Feb 28 05:44:53 when is alpha/beta gonna begin, how do I sign up? Feb 28 05:45:05 well, enyo is NDA Feb 28 05:45:26 see: PM Feb 28 05:45:36 and even so, you'll need a device that can run them Feb 28 05:46:36 see: new PM Feb 28 05:48:48 so, how bout it oil? Feb 28 05:49:00 it doesn't do anything Feb 28 05:49:36 oh well then... maybe when it does ;) Feb 28 05:52:37 night all. cya later oil Feb 28 05:52:52 nite Feb 28 06:06:56 * halfhalo has wheeloblameoil story Feb 28 06:37:21 ok video's done Feb 28 06:37:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF2ciiNFxLc Feb 28 06:42:20 Pre- (sprint) to 2.1 ^ Feb 28 07:07:32 djwhitey: RT'd Feb 28 07:07:54 djwhitey: pity it didn't have the new boot logo :) Feb 28 07:08:23 i know! i rec'd it before you added that Feb 28 07:18:44 * djwhitey is back from conf call Feb 28 07:18:48 oof Feb 28 07:43:26 rwhitby, might be interesting to you: the motorola atrix (dual core droid phone) comes with a working ubuntu subsystem on /osh and they left apt, dpkg and gcc. Feb 28 08:06:49 dreadchicken, link? Feb 28 08:07:11 no link, i have an atrix and have been exploring. Feb 28 08:07:38 afaik all motorola devices are using omap's security stuff to lock the device Feb 28 08:07:49 it's nviida terga 2 Feb 28 08:08:28 but it does have a signed boot chain. Feb 28 08:09:18 oh, and X is running from boot time. i managed to get xarchive to display back to my laptop from my phone as the atrix has a "webtop" which is an xserver running on hdmi. Feb 28 08:10:50 sorry to jack, just kinda neat to find another phone that has a non-completely-bastardized linux. Feb 28 08:13:50 dreadchicken: interesting Feb 28 08:15:11 maybe it's just the us device which isn't locked? like motorola droid/milestone Feb 28 08:20:00 no idea, i'm not a actually a phone hacker, i'm just an old unix geek. Feb 28 08:22:53 I was a milestone owner :( Feb 28 08:23:34 efuse? Feb 28 08:28:11 yes Feb 28 08:28:28 completely signed boot chain Feb 28 08:29:10 heh, /etc/lsb-release: DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 9.04" Feb 28 08:48:25 hey hape_ Feb 28 12:06:17 hape_? Feb 28 12:26:57 ice8lue: Hi Feb 28 12:27:16 Sorry, you was offline when i saw your first ping Feb 28 12:27:25 hey =) i did test the navit build you sent me Feb 28 12:27:49 works fine, but never gets a gps signal Feb 28 12:28:09 ok, we are working on the next update to fix some problems and add a"faked" signal stregth dispay Feb 28 12:28:19 why faked? Feb 28 12:28:50 because webOS do not return the needed values, you only can get a radios how good the signal is. Feb 28 12:29:00 Not the number of sattalites Feb 28 12:29:03 ah ok Feb 28 12:38:38 Why does Govnah report my CPU at 550mhz on my pre - with 2.1.0? Feb 28 12:38:42 Is it telling the truth? xD Feb 28 12:40:04 could be oissible, the standard kernel allows 500, 550, 600MHz for userspace Feb 28 12:40:41 Ah right...I didn't know that! Feb 28 12:40:43 thanks :) Feb 28 12:41:09 govnah in Exhibition mode is pretty nice :) Feb 28 12:41:27 hehe ya Feb 28 13:53:49 anyway to export my contact with 2.0.1, like the export all contacts patch for 1.x? Feb 28 13:55:22 how can I export PalmDatabase.db3 from a 2.0.1 pre2? Feb 28 13:58:06 will WinSCP run on WebOS 2.0.1? Feb 28 14:00:54 will SSH run correctly on 2.0.1? Feb 28 14:03:57 How can I run terminal or terminus or command prompt from WebOS Quick Install on 2.0.1?? any1? Feb 28 14:04:07 nop Feb 28 14:04:10 e Feb 28 14:04:53 how can I export PalmDatabase.db3 from 2.0.1 there must be a way? Feb 28 14:08:39 dunno, sorry Feb 28 14:09:09 thanks ice, everyway I did it with 1.x wont work with 2.x, shitty Feb 28 14:15:38 export them to google from 1.x, and use google for 2.x Feb 28 14:16:24 nothing to do with databases or synergy on 1.x is going to work on 2.x Feb 28 14:16:44 for terminal access, use novaterm from the Palm SDK Feb 28 14:16:56 OpenSSH works fine on 2.x Feb 28 14:17:24 that Rod, but I only have my Pre2 with 2.0.1 now, Yea I know I thought I would manually get the contacts out with SQLLiteBrowser from the PalmDatabase.db3 but I cant get that file off my pre2 Feb 28 14:17:51 thanks rod, didnt know OpenSSH would work, on it now Feb 28 14:18:13 Rod your the best think WebOS has going for it Feb 28 14:20:23 * rwhitby bbt - time for sleep Feb 28 14:32:50 wow any1 know what/where the db that stores contact info is stored in 2.x there is no /var/luna/data/dbdata/palmdatabase.db3 anymore Feb 28 14:47:11 Loudergood, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Debian Feb 28 14:48:10 sweet Feb 28 14:48:52 I need to go on vacation more often...2.1 metadocs come to reality and this Feb 28 14:55:00 the script isn't perfect... but it works Feb 28 15:01:57 aww, i broke phonepreferences Feb 28 15:20:30 yo Feb 28 15:21:29 man hp needs to release the kernel .. I noticed 3 cards open it starts lagging Feb 28 15:21:54 on what model Feb 28 15:22:02 pre + Feb 28 15:22:08 um Feb 28 15:22:30 * joebpre looks at govnah Feb 28 15:23:24 I'm trying 600 mhz Feb 28 15:36:59 lol Feb 28 15:42:18 * halfhalo_pre blames adora Feb 28 15:49:38 is there anyone who could help me with this? (it's my post) http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2888323#post2888323 Feb 28 15:59:57 Hi everyone, how's it going? Feb 28 16:00:54 tired Feb 28 16:11:01 I did it ! Feb 28 16:11:04 2.1 Feb 28 16:11:07 \o/ Feb 28 16:11:43 one question> is there a terminal app for webos2_ Feb 28 16:11:44 ? Feb 28 16:12:29 secure shell got pulled iirc due to a security bug Feb 28 16:14:06 Now we need a way to: Put a file on the Pre via sftp and use that file to make the Pre reflash itself :D (I didn't bring my cable to work today) :S Feb 28 16:14:47 doubt thats going to happen due to security issues Feb 28 16:26:11 my /media/internalö wasnt touched while installation. is this normal? i thought it would be wiped Feb 28 16:28:16 wasn't touched for me too Feb 28 16:32:23 it wasn't touched on my Pre-, but wiped on the Pre Plus.. go figure Feb 28 16:32:42 halfhalo: Of course, an unofficial method to do it, not official :D Feb 28 16:32:44 NuttyBunny: heh, your idea would be possible, but too much work Feb 28 16:32:52 :P Feb 28 16:34:00 NuttyBunny: doesn't matter. The way I see it is that if someone could flash the phone from the phone, then they could also wipe the phone from the phone, which is NOT good Feb 28 16:34:20 halfhalo: if you already have root access via sftp there's no additional security issue here Feb 28 16:34:54 halfhalo: hahahahaha... yeah, you could do that :D Feb 28 16:34:57 * halfhalo shrugs, grabs a pillow, and goes to sleep under desk Feb 28 16:36:48 NuttyBunny: easiest way would be a kind of on device doctor method, you'd just have to patch the init script to reimage the device from a tarball on /media and reboot. of course developing all that just because people might forget their USB cable is low reward for effort Feb 28 16:42:57 destinal: yeah... I guess I'll better go to the car to get my cable ;) Feb 28 16:43:33 So, to avoid the Dr. Skipped First use I have to do an apps and data erase and login to the profile again, right? :S Feb 28 16:44:05 NuttyBunny: that's the best method I know of. Feb 28 16:46:17 Seems I'll really need my cable, downloading 500Mb worth of apps and games from my profile will kill the battery ;) Feb 28 17:30:54 wow Feb 28 17:31:00 * joeb_ is on fedora his new linux box Feb 28 17:31:41 brb Feb 28 17:44:27 * joeb_ makes a new metadoctor on his fresly installed box Feb 28 17:44:28 :D Feb 28 17:45:33 joeb_: what carrier? Feb 28 17:46:02 interested to hear how the added stuff for carrier apps comes out Feb 28 17:46:45 djwhitey- ATT i already have a doctored pre + .. im just making everything ready for this box Feb 28 18:35:25 I suppose I should test mobile hot stop Feb 28 18:35:28 *spot Feb 28 18:41:50 Yup. the mobile hotstop ipk from the verizon 2.0.1 works on my pre+ with 2.1 Feb 28 18:42:06 nice Feb 28 18:43:55 I keep typing stop :( Feb 28 18:53:18 recorded a video of my 2yr old dribbling a soccer ball yesterday... then re-doctored. /doh Feb 28 18:54:02 Ooh, mobile hotspot from the verizon doctor...that could be nice :) Feb 28 18:54:13 Do I just extract it from the .jar file RagingMind ? Feb 28 18:54:44 Boopop: freeTether Feb 28 18:54:56 Where can I find that? Feb 28 18:56:38 I up'ed my sprint pre - to 2.1, having problem with the GPS...does any one have more advice then what is on the wiki? Feb 28 18:57:26 Boopop, I suggest freetether unless you're actually on verizon Feb 28 18:57:36 So where can I get it? Feb 28 18:57:47 freetether is in the testing feeds for preware Feb 28 18:58:34 a quick google for 'webos internal testing feeds' should pull up the right page with instructions Feb 28 19:01:09 hewo Feb 28 19:08:30 /quit Feb 28 19:11:52 how is patch-making for 2.1 comin? Feb 28 19:15:11 Well that's tethering covered Feb 28 19:15:15 wonder if I'll ever use it xD Feb 28 19:15:30 what? Feb 28 19:15:31 lol Feb 28 19:20:02 PatrickC_Pre: RagingMind and djwhitey helped me get tethering up and running Feb 28 19:20:04 thaanks :) Feb 28 19:20:19 awesome Feb 28 19:20:25 usb/bluetooth/wifi? Feb 28 19:20:29 yeah Feb 28 19:20:32 well i tried wifi Feb 28 19:20:38 tried? Feb 28 19:20:42 it didn't work? Feb 28 19:20:42 yeah Feb 28 19:20:45 tried and worked Feb 28 19:20:47 :P Feb 28 19:20:53 oh good :D Feb 28 19:20:56 Only problem is the only time I can think I might want it, my 3G connection is likely to be flakey >.< Feb 28 19:20:58 Like on the train Feb 28 19:20:59 Boopop: some folks (including self) experienced freeTether not saving SSID upon exit/relaunch. how's it doing for you? Feb 28 19:21:02 I use USB most Feb 28 19:21:12 initially*. it works ok for me now Feb 28 19:21:15 djwhitey: I'll try it out Feb 28 19:21:52 have fun ;) Feb 28 19:21:58 Yeah same thing Feb 28 19:21:59 oops Feb 28 19:22:02 oh well, no biggy Feb 28 19:22:21 wait, try putting the info in again close/reopen Feb 28 19:22:28 that's what I did :P Feb 28 19:22:31 seems like after i did it a couple of times, it sticks Feb 28 19:24:00 I guess USB makes more sense PatrickC_Pre ...I guess that way you can keep it charged too while your laptop battery dies slowly xD Feb 28 19:24:50 lol Feb 28 19:26:52 i'd be interested to see which mode gives least drain... USB, wifi+usb charge / wifi+wall charge, BT + usb charge / BT + wall charge Feb 28 19:27:21 i'd guess usb but you never know Feb 28 19:28:09 usb works for me Feb 28 19:30:48 hey guys Feb 28 19:31:03 o hi ice8lue Feb 28 19:31:19 hey Feb 28 19:32:08 hay ice8lue Feb 28 19:34:19 somebody here who got a developer pre2 from palm? Feb 28 19:35:32 not yet :/ Feb 28 19:35:56 have u been approbed? Feb 28 19:36:00 approved Feb 28 19:36:27 no yet Feb 28 19:36:34 I emailed on the 15th... Feb 28 19:37:01 hmm Feb 28 19:37:17 i would like to know how long shipping could/will take Feb 28 19:37:36 they said mine was handed over to shipping on wednesday last wek+ Feb 28 19:38:08 well, it could take a while Feb 28 19:38:14 when did you originally email? Feb 28 19:38:19 mhh Feb 28 19:38:25 infobot: status Feb 28 19:38:26 Since Tue Feb 22 21:09:50 2011, there have been 19 modifications, 270 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 171 commands. I have been awake for 5d 22h 28m 5s this session, and currently reference 117712 factoids. I'm using about 22376 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1787.7/48.66 child 0/0 Feb 28 19:38:26 i think on feb 13th Feb 28 19:38:37 it started on the 15th... Feb 28 19:38:45 ya Feb 28 19:38:48 * halfhalo-pre sorta did but had it fasttracked for scale Feb 28 19:38:49 i just asked^^ Feb 28 19:38:57 how'd you email? Feb 28 19:39:07 halfhalo-pre: you stink :p Feb 28 19:39:35 it was used as a demo device. it was manhandled by everyone Feb 28 19:39:39 open up outlook and mail to pdc@palm.com?^^ Feb 28 19:40:50 I emailed devmarketing@palm.com ... Feb 28 19:40:59 if I don't hear back by the 1st I will email again Feb 28 19:41:14 ya Feb 28 19:41:23 sometimes the mails seem to get lost Feb 28 19:41:23 halfhalo-pre: did you get to keep it? Feb 28 19:41:30 yes Feb 28 19:41:32 I found that out :/ Feb 28 19:41:34 had to send my adress details twice Feb 28 19:41:38 wow Feb 28 19:41:47 at least they responded to you :p Feb 28 19:41:59 ya =) Feb 28 19:42:11 but it is going to be used for a good cause via doing node stuff Feb 28 19:42:24 I'm toyin around with emailing my old dev rep Feb 28 19:42:33 sounds fun :) Feb 28 19:45:57 did you get a tracking number halfhalo-pre? Feb 28 19:46:00 ice8lue: What do you have to be/do to get a dev pre2? Feb 28 19:46:09 be a dev Feb 28 19:46:21 Can I not just say "Hey I'm a Computer Science student, give me free things!"? Feb 28 19:46:23 :P Feb 28 19:46:24 Boopop: ya, be a dev and have a good case Feb 28 19:46:30 not really Feb 28 19:46:32 awww :( Feb 28 19:46:34 xD Feb 28 19:46:34 nope Feb 28 19:46:41 there has to be a serious reason Feb 28 19:46:44 probably not Feb 28 19:46:45 With 2.1 on my pre - now I'm not too fussed =) Feb 28 19:47:09 halfhalo-pre: how long did shipping take? and from where to where?^^ Feb 28 19:47:10 I'm a high school student with 5 apps out and 3 more in development Feb 28 19:48:46 propably good one^^ Feb 28 19:49:59 Boopop- its to slow right ? Feb 28 19:50:16 joeb_: Hmmm...I wouldn't say it's too slow Feb 28 19:50:20 It's slower Feb 28 19:50:23 but by no means too slow Feb 28 19:50:36 really? mine runs quite fine Feb 28 19:50:38 it is *awesome* Feb 28 19:50:46 mine runs awesome Feb 28 19:51:01 ^^ Feb 28 19:51:13 oil_ rox Feb 28 19:51:21 I did the compcache hack someone told me about Feb 28 19:51:24 can't remember who :3 Feb 28 19:51:39 dundundun Feb 28 19:51:40 not me :p Feb 28 19:51:52 Mode oil +v by ChanServ Feb 28 19:52:00 ice8lue: I don't recall Feb 28 19:52:16 hmmm Feb 28 19:52:24 well...gotta wait ;/ Feb 28 19:52:28 oil needs to lower his prices.... Feb 28 19:52:36 Boopop: compcache hack? Feb 28 19:52:36 gas it too expensive Feb 28 19:52:52 you need to stop fighting wars over me :) Feb 28 19:53:06 but you are just so awesome Feb 28 19:53:07 ice8lue: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Feb 28 19:53:12 It's been updated, at the bottom =) Feb 28 19:54:03 I haven't really noticed that much of a difference Feb 28 19:54:11 but then I hadn't used it much before I did it anyway Feb 28 19:54:48 106 Feb 28 19:55:02 s/106/106¤F Feb 28 19:55:28 hello everyone Feb 28 19:55:37 hay gmoj/ Feb 28 19:55:52 how's it going partick? Feb 28 19:55:53 s/gmoj//gmoj1/ Feb 28 19:55:56 good Feb 28 19:56:05 how bout u? Feb 28 19:56:13 awesome Feb 28 19:56:38 nice Feb 28 19:56:43 working on anything? Feb 28 19:57:20 thx Boopop Feb 28 19:57:27 Unixpsycho mentioned a F105 for 2.1.0 on his twitter two days ago, I checked and don't see it on the testing feeds. Anyone know if their is a beta out? Feb 28 19:57:57 there is no kernel source afaik Feb 28 19:58:02 huh? without the kernel source? Feb 28 19:58:05 yeah, it's out Feb 28 19:58:10 when?! Feb 28 19:58:14 Oo Feb 28 19:58:20 http://opensource.palm.com/2.1.0/index.html Feb 28 19:58:27 awesome Feb 28 19:58:28 I checked about an hour ago, it was there Feb 28 19:58:29 hmmm Feb 28 19:58:32 I don't know Feb 28 19:58:44 * PatrickC_Pre needs to add the testing feeds now.. Feb 28 19:58:50 They must have posted it today then, I think I checked over the weekend Feb 28 19:59:02 testing feed has nothing for 2.1.0 as of right now Feb 28 19:59:10 infobot: no!!!!! Feb 28 19:59:19 etxr: hey you are right! =D Feb 28 19:59:32 so i think custom kernels will appear soon Feb 28 19:59:51 oh wow Feb 28 19:59:56 there is the source :D Feb 28 19:59:58 yep ;) Feb 28 20:00:20 im shocked i don't see it on twitter Feb 28 20:00:21 hrm yeah, must have gone live today Feb 28 20:00:26 * joeb_ double checks Feb 28 20:00:33 I just sent it to @webosinternals Feb 28 20:01:02 What's F105 like compared to uberkernel? Feb 28 20:01:17 bleeding edge kernels Feb 28 20:01:20 amazing Feb 28 20:01:23 1GHz Feb 28 20:01:26 uberkernel is somewhat safe Feb 28 20:01:28 right? Feb 28 20:01:47 the f series is the testing line for new features Feb 28 20:01:48 f105 can kill phones Feb 28 20:02:00 Thought that might be the case Feb 28 20:02:03 new but maybe also dangerous Feb 28 20:02:05 http://twitter.com/#!/uNiXpSyChO Feb 28 20:02:08 and the SR71 eats Pre's for breakfast Feb 28 20:02:17 he said it himself :) Feb 28 20:02:26 ok ok, back to work for me heh Feb 28 20:03:17 have fun Feb 28 20:03:38 So if the source code's been released, uberkernel coming soon? xD Feb 28 20:04:29 should be Feb 28 20:06:15 bbl Feb 28 20:07:46 well... will be lurking Feb 28 20:09:47 joeb_: nice, 2.0.1 and 2.1.0 source on the palm site Feb 28 20:09:56 :D Feb 28 20:10:06 i can feel the overclocking coming Feb 28 20:10:07 :D Feb 28 20:10:22 =D Feb 28 20:11:02 joeb_: _including_ the pre2 2.1.0 kernel. very nice Feb 28 20:11:30 pre2 2.1 finally? Feb 28 20:12:13 palm is wierd! Feb 28 20:12:28 ik Feb 28 20:12:30 right? Feb 28 20:12:46 PatrickC_Pre: nah just the kernel for it Feb 28 20:12:55 wow.... Feb 28 20:13:00 so .. they release the 2.1 source yet still refuse to release a 2.1 update (not even OTA) an offical doctor Feb 28 20:13:11 if that isn't backwards then i don't know what is Feb 28 20:13:35 joeb_: legally they have to release the GPL source code if they release a doctor using it Feb 28 20:13:42 it is an official doctor Feb 28 20:13:51 so Feb 28 20:13:59 this is a step forward to a offical doctor ? Feb 28 20:14:05 not the doctors where making ? Feb 28 20:14:14 doesn't seem backwards at all, in fact i'd rather have it that way than the other way around (legality aside) Feb 28 20:14:14 joeb_: the doctor is already official for EU devices Feb 28 20:14:33 but for us .. we have source now so now what Feb 28 20:14:52 joeb_: source code means mainly that we'll see custom kernels soon Feb 28 20:15:25 we need a .zip handler for webOS Feb 28 20:15:30 any takers? Feb 28 20:16:38 whats the link where it shows all palms webos versions ? Feb 28 20:17:11 like the webos-internals link? Feb 28 20:17:36 nope Feb 28 20:17:44 it shows all webos versions Feb 28 20:17:52 like webos 1.3 webos 1.4.5 Feb 28 20:17:54 etc .. Feb 28 20:17:57 idk Feb 28 20:18:16 anyone here use metrix and wanna help me in #webos? Feb 28 20:23:04 found it Feb 28 20:23:09 does this link work http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html Feb 28 20:24:45 i wonder if there updating it cause it dosen't work for me .. only cache version works http://is.gd/mKrrAh Feb 28 20:25:09 doesn't work for me either Feb 28 20:25:21 URL Not found Feb 28 20:26:10 how about second link PatrickC_Pre ? Feb 28 20:26:24 url not found Feb 28 20:26:36 http://is.gd/mKrrAh ? Feb 28 20:27:24 yep Feb 28 20:30:19 hmm, package name list has stayed the same from 2.0.0 to 2.1.0 so no real surprises there Feb 28 20:30:34 for what? Feb 28 20:32:25 I'm going to make a 2.0 app Feb 28 20:32:33 PM me if interested in helping.. I need it Feb 28 20:32:48 what kind of app? Feb 28 20:35:04 PatrickC_Pre: I have a script to pull out the package names for the open source packages to diff them and no new stuff added or removed between the 2.x versions. now, new versions of packages maybe, I was just comparing the names to see if anything was added or removed Feb 28 20:35:27 ahh ok Feb 28 20:40:03 destinal: is building the UK made by hand or do you have a (semi-)automatic script for that? Feb 28 20:41:20 ice8lue: build is automagic Feb 28 20:41:35 everything on that is in our public git repo Feb 28 20:41:41 ah, good Feb 28 20:42:39 but i think i will let the be done from you guys, who know what you're doing Feb 28 20:45:09 ice8lue: in the case of 2.1.0, we'll have to pull in the palm kernel patches for this version and apply UK's patches to that, so creating a brand new version's UK is not necessarily so automated Feb 28 20:45:21 but once the source is in git, build is automated Feb 28 20:45:50 what do you think how long it will take? Feb 28 20:47:31 not sure since I don't usually work on that but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens pretty quickly. obviously I don't want to speak for others. Feb 28 20:48:40 sure ;) Feb 28 20:49:00 do you have a dev device from palm? Feb 28 20:51:20 ice8lue: I have a pre2 and multiple sprint pre's Feb 28 20:51:35 and a vzw pixi+ Feb 28 20:51:44 directly from palm? do you know how long shipping can take? Feb 28 20:52:35 the devices go overnight Feb 28 20:52:41 once they leave Palm HQ Feb 28 20:52:55 ice8lue: I was in early on the dev coupon thing where we got $200 off. there was a problem with the ordering system but after I called to get it resolved, they overnighted it Feb 28 20:53:33 hmm Feb 28 20:53:47 is there a shipping confirmation or something similar? Feb 28 20:54:09 ice8lue: again, this was ordered on their online ordering system which emailed me a link and order # Feb 28 20:54:09 just got the notice from the dev relations guy that he'll hand it over to shipping Feb 28 20:54:19 ah ok Feb 28 20:55:10 Excellent! 2.1.0 sources out! :D hehehe Feb 28 20:55:17 ice8lue: unfortunately we got in before they started giving away devices to developers so we got the coupon codes and bought the devices from donation funds. not sure whether devs who got the coupon codes and used them would be eligible for free devices Feb 28 20:55:30 NuttyBunny: Wow! That was fast :o Feb 28 20:55:54 is there a good dropbox client for webos? preferably free? Feb 28 20:55:57 hm...wahhh don't wanna wait anymore on my pre2^^ Feb 28 20:56:07 Hey, here's a question: I've seen some people talking about how Exhibition on an O2 Pre+ supports rotation, but on my ATT Pre+... It doesn't rotate! D: Feb 28 20:56:17 PatrickC_Pre: available: yes, free - no Feb 28 20:56:23 man Feb 28 20:56:45 it's like what, a 1.99$? I'm sure you could scrounge that up somewhere Feb 28 20:56:51 how hard is it to make one? Feb 28 20:56:58 lol, I don't feel like buying one Feb 28 20:57:30 I would just upload from dropbox.com but it doesn't work from pre :'( Feb 28 20:57:34 idk Feb 28 20:57:57 2.x supports Dropbox for office documents at least Feb 28 20:58:06 oh yea..... Feb 28 20:58:09 forgot :o Feb 28 21:01:20 * PatrickC_Pre wants F105 2.1 Feb 28 21:02:10 none yet :'( Feb 28 21:04:26 lol Feb 28 21:04:34 give them some time Feb 28 21:04:51 or build your own ;) it's all right there in the git^^ Feb 28 21:05:38 I don't have anywhere *near* enough smarts to do it :p Feb 28 21:06:16 ^^me too so we gotta wait Feb 28 21:06:53 lol Feb 28 21:24:08 I got accepted into the beta sdk program :D Feb 28 21:24:24 woops :P Feb 28 21:24:35 don't say that :p Feb 28 21:24:44 :o Feb 28 21:24:49 sorry Feb 28 21:24:55 didn't know Feb 28 21:24:56 its fine :) Feb 28 21:25:04 just a fyi :) Feb 28 21:25:12 oh lol ok Feb 28 21:25:19 thnx for the tip Feb 28 21:25:59 np Feb 28 21:26:02 so what's up patrickC_pre Feb 28 21:26:15 nm just working on apps/school Feb 28 21:26:44 nice. I'm waiting on the doctor for this mri thing. takes forever.. Feb 28 21:27:07 what happened? Feb 28 21:28:00 nothing really. had severe head aches a couple months ago. nothing happened in a while. doctor still referred me Feb 28 21:28:54 ah ok Feb 28 21:29:32 yupp Feb 28 21:35:54 LOL, one of the only package rwhitby really cares about happens to have a bad link :D Feb 28 21:37:34 what link? Feb 28 21:39:16 the link for the kernel sources in the 2.1.0 palm sources page :) Feb 28 21:40:07 lol Feb 28 21:41:23 hi Feb 28 21:41:35 hi Feb 28 21:41:46 hay Feb 28 21:42:20 i can haz some infoz? Feb 28 21:42:43 i've modified ftp app's appinfo.json to visible Feb 28 21:42:58 now i can't get rid of it in the menu Feb 28 21:43:05 what happened? Feb 28 21:43:19 uNiXpStChO hello Feb 28 21:43:20 it's there Feb 28 21:43:29 yo Feb 28 21:43:39 what app? Feb 28 21:43:49 admiral0: can you get it to do anything? It just tells me that it failed Feb 28 21:44:03 how's F105 2.1 comin? :) Feb 28 21:44:07 anyway, it appears to be connecting to an internal (or gone) palm server Feb 28 21:46:20 done. if i wasnt working there would already be a package uploaded. Feb 28 21:47:04 wow! so, its not packaged? Feb 28 21:47:06 * NuttyBunny bows to uNiXpSyCh0 Feb 28 21:47:10 I could test :) Feb 28 21:47:24 * NuttyBunny raises hand too Feb 28 21:47:25 hehehe Feb 28 21:47:27 destinal: we usually say 24 hours for a new kernel after seeing source. Feb 28 21:47:39 shh.. don't spoil the fun ;) Feb 28 21:47:54 ^^ Feb 28 21:47:55 yea.. shh.. I'm in a happy mood :) Feb 28 21:48:15 rwhitby: nice. I was purposely much more vague than that :) Feb 28 21:48:26 not too many changes. unlike the Pre2 source Feb 28 21:48:51 cool Feb 28 21:48:54 uNiXpSyChO: feel free to create a 2.1.0 branch in the patches repo while I'm at work today :) Feb 28 21:49:01 can't wait! Feb 28 21:49:14 there already is one rwhitby, last time I checked Feb 28 21:49:26 rwhitby: i'm still at work. hopefully we'll have some builds tonight. Feb 28 21:49:33 I already have my preware pulling the fed Feb 28 21:49:39 s/fed/feed/ Feb 28 21:49:47 PatrickC_Pre: re-read my statement Feb 28 21:50:16 and again, be careful with stating things as authoritative Feb 28 21:50:17 * uNiXpSyChO didnt realize rwhitby worked? i thought he ran the joint. ;-) Feb 28 21:50:47 patches? I thought there was already one? I am using it? (I think) Feb 28 21:50:58 * rwhitby bbl - time to earn the dough Feb 28 21:51:48 ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/2.1.0 Feb 28 21:51:50 correct? Feb 28 21:54:10 I'm trying to pull the latest meta-doctor and keep getting "fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly" Feb 28 21:54:13 bbl time for school Feb 28 21:58:27 hmm..I can see it in firefox Feb 28 21:58:35 checked and double checked the url Feb 28 21:58:39 weird Feb 28 21:58:58 idontwan2know, someone else had trouble downloading cause of a network issue Feb 28 21:59:15 I think they just used the web version of git to download a package of the current source Feb 28 22:02:17 well, i downloaded it successfully multiple times over the weekend...seems odd that it would fail now if it were on my end Feb 28 22:02:18 idontwan2know: what url are you using Feb 28 22:02:44 git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Feb 28 22:03:14 works for me Feb 28 22:03:26 hmm Feb 28 22:07:59 hola ka6sox! Feb 28 22:09:04 hiya halfhalo-pre Feb 28 22:09:46 so Feb 28 22:09:58 now we are just waiting for a kernel to be overclocked and a patched push to preware eh ? Feb 28 22:10:00 :D Feb 28 22:10:20 weird...running it as root worked Feb 28 22:10:27 never had to do that before Feb 28 22:14:29 wierd Feb 28 22:28:14 what's up? Feb 28 22:28:29 my credit score? Feb 28 22:28:39 lol Feb 28 22:28:58 how's it goin? Feb 28 22:29:50 my computer is soooooo slow Feb 28 22:30:36 who would but a flickr search app that uses Just Type and Exhibition in here? Feb 28 22:31:43 omg Feb 28 22:31:50 this customer is asking 5,000 questions Feb 28 22:32:18 give them 10,000 answers Feb 28 22:32:26 its boring ugh Feb 28 22:32:30 first 10 mins are cool Feb 28 22:32:39 but is asking me the same question 5x Feb 28 22:32:48 and wants me to say yes or agree everytime Feb 28 22:32:51 what question? Feb 28 22:32:58 everything Feb 28 22:33:00 0_o Feb 28 22:33:07 lol Feb 28 22:33:17 who do you customer-support for? Feb 28 22:33:23 :D Feb 28 22:33:24 so I can call and bug you :p Feb 28 22:33:47 one of the big companies Feb 28 22:33:51 :D Feb 28 22:33:54 I probably would PatrickC_Pre Feb 28 22:33:54 hmmm Feb 28 22:34:11 that narrows it down to 9999! lol Feb 28 22:34:13 awesome! Feb 28 22:34:20 Although given that I'm a CompSci student at Uni it's the sort of thing I should be able to write it myself :3 Feb 28 22:34:32 PatrickC_Pre- not really top them cell company :D Feb 28 22:34:33 fml xD Feb 28 22:34:41 now I just have to make it... Feb 28 22:34:43 s/them/5 or so cellular company Feb 28 22:34:49 hmmm Feb 28 22:35:02 oops Feb 28 22:35:04 not cellular Feb 28 22:35:07 manufacture Feb 28 22:35:17 we make phones :D Feb 28 22:35:38 * PatrickC_Pre goes to call Palm/Koycera (hehe) ect Feb 28 22:35:45 nope Feb 28 22:35:53 altell? Feb 28 22:35:58 haha Feb 28 22:36:00 nope we make the phone Feb 28 22:36:12 you make phones for altell? Feb 28 22:36:15 :p Feb 28 22:36:17 lol Feb 28 22:36:37 I'm gonna tell your boss that you IRC during calls :p Feb 28 22:36:39 hmm Feb 28 22:36:44 Motorola? Feb 28 22:36:47 nope Feb 28 22:36:55 HP? Feb 28 22:36:56 :) Feb 28 22:36:57 nope Feb 28 22:37:00 Dell? Feb 28 22:37:03 nope Feb 28 22:37:07 RIM? Feb 28 22:37:10 nope Feb 28 22:37:17 hmm Feb 28 22:37:24 Apple? Feb 28 22:37:27 maybe Feb 28 22:37:37 * PatrickC_Pre goes to call apple! Feb 28 22:37:41 lol Feb 28 22:37:43 time to bug joe! Feb 28 22:37:46 lol Feb 28 22:37:55 who?! lol Feb 28 22:37:57 is it apple? Feb 28 22:38:01 maybe Feb 28 22:38:02 :D Feb 28 22:38:10 cause me want an iPhone5!!!! Feb 28 22:38:10 or HTC Feb 28 22:38:16 I found it! Feb 28 22:38:21 I'm so smart! Feb 28 22:38:30 Patrick you traitor! Feb 28 22:38:33 webOS 4 lyf Feb 28 22:38:51 omg this customer Feb 28 22:39:06 I want it *now* so I can sell the private beta iPhone 5 on ebay for a ton of money :p Feb 28 22:39:12 or maybe turn it in... Feb 28 22:39:27 or HTC Feb 28 22:39:31 and joeb_ is the trator for working with HTC! lol Feb 28 22:39:39 :D Feb 28 22:39:41 like the Evo6 :) Feb 28 22:39:44 omg he hung up ! Feb 28 22:39:50 yay!!!!! Feb 28 22:39:51 we are done w00t Feb 28 22:39:53 lunch time Feb 28 22:39:53 :D Feb 28 22:40:00 lunch? its 430 Feb 28 22:40:12 over here it's midnight Feb 28 22:40:20 im in US/pacific Feb 28 22:40:26 eh... 23:40 anyway Feb 28 22:40:40 22:40...get it right people Feb 28 22:40:43 sheesh Feb 28 22:40:46 ww, Feb 28 22:40:50 We all know the world has just one time zone Feb 28 22:40:51 s/ww,/wow Feb 28 22:40:52 pffft Feb 28 22:40:54 =D Feb 28 22:40:58 all over the globe Feb 28 22:41:04 Obviously :P Feb 28 22:41:06 yea, its US Feb 28 22:41:15 nopes Feb 28 22:41:17 it's GMT Feb 28 22:41:21 s/us/Central US Feb 28 22:41:26 We practically invented timezone :P Feb 28 22:41:34 naaa TN did Feb 28 22:41:48 note how time selection things always have +5 hrs etc etc Feb 28 22:41:52 that's GMT + 5 Feb 28 22:41:55 Central Time Zone = Central for the Time Zones :) Feb 28 22:41:56 because GMT is awesome :P Feb 28 22:42:02 nope Feb 28 22:42:22 I never see CTZ + 5 or anything like that :P Feb 28 22:42:29 I'm in the central time zone, so I'm the central for everything Feb 28 22:43:18 I need a better laptop Feb 28 22:43:24 1847 Feb 28 22:43:32 1847? Feb 28 22:43:33 that's when GMT started being used xD Feb 28 22:43:40 lol Feb 28 22:43:45 I have a 3 year old macbook Feb 28 22:43:46 idk when Central started Feb 28 22:43:49 still serves me well Feb 28 22:43:51 free? lol Feb 28 22:43:54 apart from the crappy GPU Feb 28 22:44:09 No games for me! Feb 28 22:44:13 Battery's good though Feb 28 22:44:17 games I play on my desktop <3 Feb 28 22:44:34 lol Feb 28 22:44:44 I have a OLD laptop Feb 28 22:44:55 like 168MB RAM Feb 28 22:45:00 oooh Feb 28 22:45:02 very snazzy Feb 28 22:45:05 yea.... Feb 28 22:45:05 got linux on it? Feb 28 22:45:09 15GB HDD Feb 28 22:45:13 XP Pro Feb 28 22:45:16 I used to have a HM omnibook with a similar spec Feb 28 22:45:20 I think that had 128mb Feb 28 22:45:23 wow Feb 28 22:45:28 ancient :) Feb 28 22:45:30 lol Feb 28 22:45:32 that cost me about £100 Feb 28 22:45:34 my first laptop Feb 28 22:45:39 dinosaur computers unite!!! Feb 28 22:45:44 hay sineot Feb 28 22:45:52 this macbook is my first new laptop Feb 28 22:46:03 after the omnibook I bought a second hand P4 system Feb 28 22:46:07 that had 512mb of ram Feb 28 22:46:09 baur baur baur baur baur hi Feb 28 22:46:25 PatrickC_Pre: ket me get settled in and I'll help you with your code questions Feb 28 22:46:44 ok sine Feb 28 22:46:51 I want the new MBP Feb 28 22:47:39 I'll probably be getting a 17" Vostro 3700 and turning it into a hackintosh... But I'll still keep my netbook around because fff it's tiny. Feb 28 22:48:01 hackintosh is illegal :o Feb 28 22:48:03 :) lol Feb 28 22:49:33 hackintosh is fuuuun Feb 28 22:49:35 I used to do that Feb 28 22:49:36 :) Feb 28 22:49:59 I'm still doing that~ I've got a 10" "Macbook Nano" Feb 28 22:50:11 ^^ Feb 28 22:50:17 Work well? Feb 28 22:50:20 mmhm Feb 28 22:50:31 what's the battery like compared to windows? Feb 28 22:51:48 about the same, maybe a little better Feb 28 22:51:57 I get about 4.5 hours out of a six cell Feb 28 22:51:58 nice :) Feb 28 22:59:58 That was fun Feb 28 23:00:03 My connection got reset Feb 28 23:00:04 =( Feb 28 23:00:10 to freenode that is Feb 28 23:00:53 I have 10.6 on my HP Mini, so nice. battery sucks tho Feb 28 23:01:06 you got the 3 cell or the 6 cell? Feb 28 23:02:21 everyone is back from work! yay! lol Feb 28 23:09:09 Go go power netspliiiit Feb 28 23:09:18 Yahoooo! netsplit! :D Feb 28 23:09:28 time for fuuuun lol Feb 28 23:22:11 palm released the kernel source i see Feb 28 23:22:16 finally* Feb 28 23:22:28 http://opensource.palm.com/2.1.0/index.html Feb 28 23:24:09 s/HP/palm :D Feb 28 23:24:52 rwhitby: while waiting for Palm to fix the original tarball, the proper link is http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/2.1.0/linuxkernel-2.6.24.tgz Feb 28 23:25:01 no idea how the 2 ended up in there but that's proper file Feb 28 23:26:17 SineOt: yep, I'm aware of that thanks Feb 28 23:26:29 rwhitby: assumed you were, but was just making sure! Feb 28 23:27:19 can someone explain all these random /'s? Feb 28 23:45:06 so anyone in here active? Feb 28 23:46:08 * SineOt makes chicken noises Feb 28 23:46:56 lol Feb 28 23:47:25 I'm watching Julia Child... does that count as active? Feb 28 23:47:41 well you're typing on irc, so yes :3 Feb 28 23:48:38 lol Feb 28 23:53:45 zzzz Feb 28 23:53:48 Loudergood, are there any other debian specific things you've run into or had to set up Feb 28 23:53:48 ? Feb 28 23:58:48 I'm leaving :) Feb 28 23:59:47 hay Mar 01 00:11:50 can C# code be used in making webos apps? Mar 01 00:12:20 that should probably be asked in the #webos channel Mar 01 00:12:41 dumbledore: probably if you port mono Mar 01 00:12:44 :/ Mar 01 00:15:05 do you *have* to re-doctor to solve the 9.9.9 problem? Mar 01 00:15:18 or can you just mod the phone's code internally? Mar 01 00:16:49 you have to doctor Mar 01 00:16:55 you can just change the palm-build-info file, wipe the phone, and sign into the profile again. but that's just changing what version is reported Mar 01 00:17:02 not sure if that'll fix any profile stuff Mar 01 00:17:32 I just want access to apps labeled 1.4.5 Mar 01 00:17:39 like angry birds Mar 01 00:17:40 but I did update my profile that way, from 1.4.1 to 1.4.5 Mar 01 00:18:25 if you're currently on 2.x, you have to go back to 1.4.5 and log in to your profile Mar 01 00:18:37 to the nova-browser to find palm-build-info Mar 01 00:18:41 what? Mar 01 00:18:44 that stinks Mar 01 00:19:19 well...RagingMind's version might work Mar 01 00:19:33 you have to run the first use app as 1.4.5 one way or another Mar 01 00:19:36 I really don't think you have to doctor. you just need the right palm-build-info file in place when you initially sign into the profile Mar 01 00:19:45 right Mar 01 00:19:52 so I have to resign in? Mar 01 00:20:29 PatrickC_Pre: you have to redoctor Mar 01 00:20:34 it's easier to doctor if you know how already, but if you're really familiar with novacom it's faster to replace the file Mar 01 00:20:49 but the metadoctor scripts basically keep you from doing that to begin with, so how'd you end up with a profile mismatch? :p Mar 01 00:21:30 well.... Mar 01 00:23:19 well.. I found palm-build-info Mar 01 00:24:43 you didn't follow the wiki page correctly, thats what. Mar 01 00:25:01 rwhitby: more along the lines of he hasn't metadoctored with 2.1 yet... Mar 01 00:25:04 start again from the top as penance. Mar 01 00:25:18 "hint hint nudge nudge wink wink" Mar 01 00:26:43 penance? /me pictures rwhitby in a Habit with a ruler in his hand Mar 01 00:39:02 RagingMind: I have had to (in Sid/unstable) put a hold on the virtualbox packages Mar 01 00:39:48 ah... didn't have to do that for stable Mar 01 00:40:12 yeah I think they settled on the 3.2 series for squeeze Mar 01 00:46:06 good thing for calibrating batteries Mar 01 00:46:18 this thing has been at 0% for quite some time Mar 01 00:48:23 rwhitby: just successfully installed the new-meta-sprint script on a franken pre+ Mar 01 00:49:52 however, I'm getting a 9.9.9 profile version. I created a new profile on 1.4.5 and disabled backups before installing it Mar 01 00:52:37 and there are no sprint apps installed Mar 01 00:52:39 weird Mar 01 00:53:55 idontwan2know- you didn't finish the guide Mar 01 00:55:06 idontwan2know: if you have 9.9.9, then it was not successfully installed. start again, and this time follow the wiki page instructions. Mar 01 00:55:56 well, it was clearly a 1.4.5 device before and it's now obviously 2.1 Mar 01 00:56:43 the only thing I can think is that I had a previously edited makefile in place Mar 01 00:56:48 nope Mar 01 00:57:06 idontwan2know- go to step 5 Mar 01 00:57:25 joeb_: I've read the guide Mar 01 00:57:48 you don't have to unmasq to get a correct version from palm.com/profile Mar 01 00:57:55 idontwan2know- withouth step 5 you can't get your palm profile to show as 1.4.5 Mar 01 00:58:41 since when? Mar 01 00:59:01 if you go straight from 1.4.5 to 2.1 then you will get 9.9.9 if you do step 5 you will show 1.4.50 Mar 01 00:59:37 idontwan2know- on the wiki look at Masquerading Mar 01 00:59:44 Masquerading = step 5 Mar 01 01:00:17 please stop telling me to read the wiki. I've read it a dozen times and have followed the development process from before the time there even was a wiki Mar 01 01:00:29 ? Mar 01 01:00:58 idontwan2know- the reason why palm/profile is showing 9.9.9 is becuase 2.1 isn't supported Mar 01 01:01:29 9.9.9 is a unsupported version according to palm .. what masquerading does is it makes your 2.1 device look like 1.4.5 so then you can get all your paid apps all that good stuff Mar 01 01:01:37 eventually they will fix the 9.9.9 Mar 01 01:01:44 yes, and the masquerade is in place by default when you doctor Mar 01 01:02:09 step 5 REMOVES the masquerade so that preware and other things that look at palmbuild info on the device recognize 2.1 Mar 01 01:02:31 idontwan2know- have you did step 5 yet .. if you don't you will get 9.9.9 Mar 01 01:02:33 just try it Mar 01 01:02:44 just run the command then check back on palm.com/palmprofile Mar 01 01:02:48 you will see 1.4.50 Mar 01 01:04:41 joeb_, I didn't do step 5 right away... and I never got 9.9.9 Mar 01 01:04:56 me eaither Mar 01 01:05:04 i just followed step by step Mar 01 01:05:20 idontwan2know is right about step 5 removing the masquerade Mar 01 01:05:24 i think when i went into my palm profile when i first doctored to 2.1 and checked palm.com/palmprofile it was 9;9.9 Mar 01 01:05:40 Step 5 is to remove the masquerade. The Metadoctor, by default, masquerades as 1.4.5 which breaks support with things like Preware Mar 01 01:05:52 yea but you still have to do it correct ? Mar 01 01:06:10 my profile shows 1.4.50 even though im on 2.1 .. i removed the masq Mar 01 01:06:15 idontwan2know: if you're using the alpha Sprint script, and there's no sprint apps and 9.9.9, then something didn't build properly along the way Mar 01 01:06:28 the profile check is done at login and never really done again Mar 01 01:06:32 you have to do it for preware to work, but for the palm stuff it should be working already by that step Mar 01 01:06:49 RagingMind- idontwan2know should then make clobber and start over right ? Mar 01 01:06:51 you could leave it masked, but Preware will thing you're on 1.4.5 and offer you, naturally, patches and kernels for 1.4.5 and not 2.1 Mar 01 01:07:29 joeb_: yes, make clobber all and then start over, and make sure to have the newest version of metadoctor by cloning out of GIT again Mar 01 01:07:35 SinteOt: yeah, I think it's because I left a version of the makefile that I had previously edited for a token swap in when I built the alpha script. Mar 01 01:07:37 joeb_: the catalog will always think you're using the version you were masquerading as, this is normal Mar 01 01:07:37 navit install did not put a navit.xml in my appdata/org.webisinternals.navit folder Mar 01 01:07:48 joeb_: it should show 1.4.50 Mar 01 01:07:49 idontwan2know, did you let the script download the doctor images, or did you download them and put them in place? Mar 01 01:07:56 anyone have a copy i can use? Mar 01 01:08:25 undrwater, the install doesn't put it there Mar 01 01:08:41 RagingMind: first launch? Mar 01 01:08:44 I think the first time you run navit it get's put there. Mar 01 01:09:02 well..i launched it...but it never came on screen... Mar 01 01:09:16 I had to delete my old configs for the new one to launch Mar 01 01:09:25 and reinstall it Mar 01 01:09:38 there's an md5sum in there navit.xml.md5sum Mar 01 01:09:39 but starting fresh it worked... then I copied in my maps again Mar 01 01:10:04 the upgrades to navit have yet to be graceful... it's a work in progress Mar 01 01:10:10 :D Mar 01 01:10:11 idontwan2know- just start fresh Mar 01 01:10:18 it's not an upgrade for me...first install Mar 01 01:10:33 anyone in here have a multistage app? Mar 01 01:10:56 PatrickC: check out Govnah from the webos-internals GIT Mar 01 01:11:04 PM me if you do Mar 01 01:11:08 ok will do sineot Mar 01 01:11:23 undrwater, ping noradtux Mar 01 01:11:41 noradtux: ping Mar 01 01:11:44 developer? Mar 01 01:11:48 yup Mar 01 01:12:03 I'm just a lame luser ;) Mar 01 01:12:27 i resemble that remark Mar 01 01:12:40 RagingMind- that is an actuall mirc command Mar 01 01:12:47 tye ./luser in mirc without the . Mar 01 01:13:02 joeb_: like slap? Mar 01 01:13:40 http://wiki.collectiveirc.net/IRC:Command:LUSERS Mar 01 01:13:42 sineot, http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=summary here right? Mar 01 01:14:00 yup, just clone it Mar 01 01:14:25 can't, don't have git set up Mar 01 01:14:35 can I clone without having git set up? Mar 01 01:14:44 not really no Mar 01 01:14:44 PatrickC- i think its the same as you did when you did doctor right ? Mar 01 01:14:46 git clone ? Mar 01 01:15:00 I didn't do the doctor... Mar 01 01:16:50 I'm on the #github channel Mar 01 01:17:19 you don't need git... but it is handy Mar 01 01:17:29 you can click on tree, then "snapshot" Mar 01 01:17:49 ol Mar 01 01:17:53 s/ol/ok/ Mar 01 01:17:54 PatrickC meant: ok Mar 01 01:19:20 git is like... important Mar 01 01:19:36 well... Mar 01 01:19:45 I haven't had time to set it up yet Mar 01 01:19:55 ... Mar 01 01:20:30 I'm going to... Mar 01 01:20:35 if I can get it working...... Mar 01 01:20:53 completely wiped meta-doctor and starting over. doctoring back to 1.4.5 to reset the profile in the meantime...oh joy Mar 01 01:21:03 can anyone email me a file? Mar 01 01:21:13 I can't get it via my pre. Mar 01 01:22:22 halfhalo, can u help with multistage? Mar 01 01:23:05 no? Mar 01 01:23:32 ok, thx though Mar 01 01:26:24 mmmmmmmmm.... wirc.... Mar 01 01:26:37 wirc is good Mar 01 01:27:20 love me some wirc Mar 01 01:27:55 love me some F105 goodness Mar 01 01:29:50 love me some Stacks! Mar 01 01:30:28 Is F105 on 2.1.0 the way to go? I'm about to install Mar 01 01:30:41 that or UK Mar 01 01:30:53 UK is stable Mar 01 01:31:00 F105 is bleeding edge Mar 01 01:31:08 and none are actually *available* Mar 01 01:31:14 they are just place holders Mar 01 01:31:20 they are in the feeds :O Mar 01 01:31:29 bummer Mar 01 01:31:43 they should be out *soon* Mar 01 01:32:11 place holders? Mar 01 01:32:16 why would they do that? Mar 01 01:32:37 ok then..... Mar 01 01:32:44 lol luna crashed Mar 01 01:32:54 lol Mar 01 01:32:58 well Mar 01 01:33:14 just to say they will be available Mar 01 01:33:24 hrm Mar 01 01:33:33 yeah placeholders you can just install and then just upgrade when it's actually released Mar 01 01:33:42 also makes sense in the context of patches across webos upgrades Mar 01 01:33:43 ah, weirdness Mar 01 01:33:48 i see Mar 01 01:33:51 so you can keep track of all the patches you had installed via the placeholders Mar 01 01:34:00 even if they don't exist (presumably 'yet') on the new webos version, etc Mar 01 01:35:18 I was all excited Mar 01 01:35:49 PatrickC: and you do realize that a 2.1 kernel is for, y'know, 2.1 right? :] Mar 01 01:35:57 yea.. Mar 01 01:36:05 I have /2.1/ in a way... Mar 01 01:36:14 no, no you don't :p Mar 01 01:36:25 go learn yourself some VirtualBox and get Linux running Mar 01 01:36:30 :P Mar 01 01:36:43 and actually doctor to 2.1 Mar 01 01:37:42 everytime PatrickC dosen't doctor to 2.1 there is a baby crying somewhere in the world Mar 01 01:38:08 hey everybody, I just metadoctored my sprint pre to 2.1 and everything seems to be working fine except i have no cellular data (calls and texts are fine) and wifi works, any ideas? Mar 01 01:40:08 ... Mar 01 01:40:19 mdmogren- is it activated on your plan :D Mar 01 01:40:35 gotta start at the basics Mar 01 01:40:36 :D Mar 01 01:41:21 mdmogren- did you make your own metadoctor .. did you mess with the MAKEFILE ? Mar 01 01:42:59 mdmogren- what carrier ? Mar 01 01:43:20 joeb_: that one is easy, "sprint pre" :p Mar 01 01:43:35 lol Mar 01 01:43:37 SineOt- how ? Mar 01 01:44:03 speaking of 2.1, how many patches are there for it now Mar 01 01:44:14 joeb_: he/she said what carrier they were on in the initial question, it's a sprint Pre- :p Mar 01 01:44:23 meh Mar 01 01:44:34 SineOt- im working and looking at the xchat screen briefly Mar 01 01:46:59 joeb_: generally a good idea to understand the question before asking the followups ;P Mar 01 01:48:19 sorry guys walked away - it is activated - like i said calls and texts work fine - i used the metadoctor script for sprint (the one with new in the beginning of the file name) Mar 01 01:49:05 mdmogren: in device info, does it list what your uh... can't remember what it is Mar 01 01:49:13 should be an email address Mar 01 01:49:34 NAI Mar 01 01:49:58 yeah, that thing Mar 01 01:50:18 its some random address A1000064BEC1B@hcm.sprintpcs.com Mar 01 01:50:39 seems like it was different before but i dont remember what it was or what it should be? Mar 01 01:50:53 when did you get the account opened? Mar 01 01:51:18 and yeah, that's way different than what I've got on my pixi, where it's @sprintpcs.com Mar 01 01:51:19 account has been opened since like 2007 Mar 01 01:52:31 i have an old pre here i can boot up and look and see what that has Mar 01 01:52:36 is there somewhere i can change it? Mar 01 01:52:44 not sure Mar 01 01:52:53 but I've had data issues in the past when that wasn't set right Mar 01 01:53:21 a redoctoring set it back up properly though... if you did redoctor, I'd try using the old metadoctor script and not the still in testing one Mar 01 01:53:52 when i tried the old one i got stuck at an activation screen Mar 01 01:54:07 trying to fix that is probably what broke my data Mar 01 01:54:30 what did you do to fix that? Mar 01 01:54:48 i just redoctored with that new testing metadoctor Mar 01 01:55:13 but before that i tried ##786# and reset everything Mar 01 01:55:24 maybe i should try that again now that i've got it activated? Mar 01 01:55:45 dunno! :o Mar 01 01:57:01 alright i guess i need to boot back to ubuntu for a while and keep screwing around, i'll be back here in a bit, thanks for the help Mar 01 01:57:12 im loving fedora Mar 01 01:57:19 just installed it yesterday Mar 01 02:01:38 How the heck can I set the in-call volume if the up/down volume keys are stuck? Mar 01 02:02:13 I see stuff like this... luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.audio/system/setVolume '{"volume":80}' Mar 01 02:02:50 dumbledore: 88 2.1.0 patches now Mar 01 02:09:38 ;d Mar 01 02:09:39 :D Mar 01 02:09:49 anything LED wise? Mar 01 02:11:39 LED wise? Mar 01 02:11:50 LED flashlight Mar 01 02:12:32 what about it? Mar 01 02:18:31 would love to have flashlight/camcorder light in 2.1. thats the only reason really keeping me back from upgrading from 1.4.5 Mar 01 02:18:50 it'll come with time, though Mar 01 02:18:52 once filemgr is public you should have one Mar 01 02:18:55 tell palm to lift the 2.0 SDK NDA Mar 01 02:19:09 lol Mar 01 02:19:12 that's the only thing holding it up Mar 01 02:19:17 I'd love those too... but I didn't use them often enough to stick with 1.4.5 Mar 01 02:20:07 im the kind of guy who loves recording stuff, LED in video camera helps me records videos clearer during parties Mar 01 02:20:17 F105 IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!! Mar 01 02:20:40 * SineOt waits for PatrickC_Away to screw up his Pre Mar 01 02:20:44 :3 Mar 01 02:20:48 lol Mar 01 02:21:13 so, I shouldn't install sineot? Mar 01 02:21:28 I can always re-doctor, right :p Mar 01 02:21:28 you aren't on 2.1, so what do you think will happen? Mar 01 02:21:37 webOS 2 has been out on devices for 4 months now... and still the tools to make apps for it are locked up *sigh* Mar 01 02:21:51 lul Mar 01 02:21:58 I am on a version of 2.1 Mar 01 02:22:06 just not your version :p Mar 01 02:22:11 dumbledore, I have a real camera that I take to parties and things. the pre camera is... um... lacking Mar 01 02:22:12 arent they avail to early access accounts? Mar 01 02:22:23 PatrickC_Away: no, you aren't on 2.1 Mar 01 02:22:34 lol no not really. the camera is really kickass compared to the camera's ive used Mar 01 02:22:41 aren't what available to Early Access Accounts? Mar 01 02:22:53 developer tools for 2.1 Mar 01 02:23:05 services, etc... Mar 01 02:23:09 maybe Mar 01 02:23:12 yes, but it requires an NDA to be entered into Mar 01 02:23:22 anything built with it can't be released to the public Mar 01 02:27:41 SineOt: and I take it the API has changed so the previous 1.4.5 stuff does not work anymore? Mar 01 02:28:19 yeah, 2.0 doesn't have Java any more so some of those tools needed to be rewritten Mar 01 02:28:37 I see Mar 01 02:28:39 It's gonna be a bumpy few months :( Mar 01 02:30:05 all those things have already been rewritten. just waiting for the NDA to lift. Mar 01 02:30:39 was it like this with 1.4.5? Mar 01 02:30:49 do we know what the rationale behind the NDA still being in place? Mar 01 02:31:02 HP wants it... Mar 01 02:31:03 lol Mar 01 02:31:14 are they waiting for 2.1 to be released more widely? Mar 01 02:32:13 actually, nevermind Mar 01 02:32:20 PatrickC_Away: they've said on twitter they don't want to keep the NDA in place but it will be until they get a 2.x SDK out which has for some reason hit some delays Mar 01 02:32:24 "release logistics" Mar 01 02:33:02 which sounds to me like oops, fail Mar 01 02:33:10 I think they are shooting for a really solid release Mar 01 02:33:55 I think its fair to say, we haven't seen they out of them yet heh Mar 01 02:34:00 that Mar 01 02:35:19 etx`: Pre2 has been released since November. We're in March now. This really is pretty ridiculous. Mar 01 02:35:32 I agree Mar 01 02:36:00 they are clearly understaffed also Mar 01 02:36:09 but they have been adding a lot Mar 01 02:36:14 wait what, pre2 was in November? On what carrier? Mar 01 02:36:27 SFR France Mar 01 02:36:29 France Mar 01 02:36:37 Oh. Mar 01 02:37:20 I think they're still working on finalizing the feature set for 2.1 :T Mar 01 02:37:45 I thought 2.1 was out. Mar 01 02:37:47 O_o Mar 01 02:38:17 it is, but it isnt Mar 01 02:38:25 if you cetch my drift ;3 Mar 01 02:38:40 yeah, they haven't released it for big V right? Mar 01 02:38:41 yeah, it is but it isn't Mar 01 02:38:47 O2 has it for the Pre+ Mar 01 02:38:50 just for legacy devices in germany Mar 01 02:38:51 No Pre2 has it Mar 01 02:38:59 the Veer has it Mar 01 02:39:08 I want a veer so bad hehhe Mar 01 02:39:17 I might have to get a Veer and a Pre 3 Mar 01 02:39:31 and a TouchPad, thats a given Mar 01 02:39:52 does anyone else note the added bluetooth profiles under 2.1? Mar 01 02:40:13 I'll need to hold a Pre3 to figure out if I want one, but I'll probably just stick with my Pre+ and drool looking at the touchpad Mar 01 02:40:14 So wait. Mar 01 02:40:15 hrrm... anyone know if palm/hp is hiring ? I would like to put an application in if they are Mar 01 02:40:18 yup, that's been announced for a while Mar 01 02:40:35 mostly awesome for the bluetooth keyboards Mar 01 02:40:52 still no OBEX support :( Mar 01 02:40:55 Some Pre+ get 2.1, but not Pre 2 yet (but all will?), and not any Pre- ever? Mar 01 02:41:11 support for bluetooth GPS units would be more useful for verizon people Mar 01 02:41:11 chpwn: basically, yeah Mar 01 02:41:25 booting F105 on my 2.1 sprint pre - right now Mar 01 02:41:29 you run 2.1 on any Pre+/Pre- thanks to meta doctor, but it's not official Mar 01 02:41:32 *crosses fingers* Mar 01 02:41:33 hey, would my BT keyboard work with my 2.1'd Pre- ? Mar 01 02:41:36 lemme know how it goes etx` Mar 01 02:41:41 *donates to WOI* Mar 01 02:41:43 yeah it would m-h-k Mar 01 02:41:46 hozer1: they are. the first test in the hiring process is finding out where you apply. fail that and you've got no chance ;) Mar 01 02:41:49 m-h-k: yeah, it should Mar 01 02:41:50 never crossed my mind.. gotta try this Mar 01 02:42:08 rwhitby: HAH Mar 01 02:44:26 just dropped some monies in the webos internals hat :D Mar 01 02:46:00 http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh274/RobertR_93/deviceinfo_2011-28-02_095317.png?t=1298947511 Mar 01 02:46:09 just a screenie of 1.4.5's bluetooth profiles :3 Mar 01 02:46:31 ok got a keyboard paired Mar 01 02:46:38 try it Mar 01 02:46:41 derp Mar 01 02:46:57 yeah, it added SPP and HID Mar 01 02:47:00 pre'd :3 Mar 01 02:47:04 SPP should have some cool stuff for it later Mar 01 02:47:13 so far so good on F105 on the sprint pre w/ 2.1 @1.005 ghz and rockin :D Mar 01 02:47:28 still missing good ol' file transfer Mar 01 02:47:46 you could do file transfer between two Pres with SPP :p Mar 01 02:47:48 heh, nothing like a calculator with a real numpad Mar 01 02:47:51 rwhitby: sounds like it may be a good idea to get 2.1 on my pre- prior to swapping comms board...? Mar 01 02:47:53 hey so Mar 01 02:47:56 lol Mar 01 02:48:10 can that be possible with any SPP enabled phone? Mar 01 02:48:28 are there overclocking kernels for Pre 2 webos 2.0.1 in Preware? Mar 01 02:48:29 theoretically? Mar 01 02:48:42 yea Mar 01 02:48:49 @sineot Mar 01 02:50:32 etx, cool. I may upgrade to 2.1 if overclocking is coming Mar 01 02:50:37 I love this. I will type all my emails on my Pre now that it's got a proper keyboard.. lol Mar 01 02:50:43 lol Mar 01 02:50:54 but really, this is fun. Mar 01 02:51:16 try coming on irc with it Mar 01 02:51:44 would be kickass if the pre had a video-out function through headphone jack Mar 01 02:52:01 hook it up to tv w/ bluetooth keyboard Mar 01 02:52:38 hdmi out via headphones.. plus bt-keyboard = get rid of laptop, just use pre Mar 01 02:52:39 what profile does a GPS use? Mar 01 02:52:49 just serial i think Mar 01 02:53:21 2.1 already has an overclock :p Mar 01 02:53:21 so SPP or some other serial thingy? Mar 01 02:53:29 if it uses SPP, you could use it with a Pre Mar 01 02:53:41 but would the pre have any idea what to do with it? Mar 01 02:53:46 nope Mar 01 02:53:50 but you could write apps that do Mar 01 02:53:57 yeah they worked with the old Palm Tungstens, so can't be much better than SPP Mar 01 02:54:22 but if the proprietary bluetooth stack could connect to it, then there's hope? Mar 01 02:54:37 * RagingMind is on Verizon so his GPS is full of fail Mar 01 02:55:06 lol Mar 01 02:55:26 verizon itself is a fail imo Mar 01 02:55:40 ok so 2.1 on a pre- is as awesome as i though it would be Mar 01 02:55:40 many people are switching to sprint due to high prices/rates Mar 01 02:56:06 lol hows the launcher etx`? Mar 01 02:56:25 Govnah for Exhibition!!! this rocks Mar 01 02:56:39 its nice and smooth, about the same as it was at 500 mhz Mar 01 02:56:53 It's hardware accel i'm almost sure Mar 01 02:56:56 wait till overclock :3 Mar 01 02:57:04 dumbledore, vzw is the only 3g signal in my area Mar 01 02:57:12 ;o Mar 01 02:57:15 no sprint? Mar 01 02:57:24 it's roaming on the vzw towers Mar 01 02:57:30 lol Mar 01 02:57:33 nice Mar 01 02:58:05 i spoke to soon, i dropped back to dreadded 1x :( Mar 01 02:58:07 so until recently I could always count being able to laugh at any iPhone users up here Mar 01 02:59:09 rwhitby: that is some serious staffing-up going on Mar 01 02:59:10 new pre batter lasted me almost 2 days, between that and 2.1 and OC I'm a pretty happy nerd right now Mar 01 02:59:14 battery Mar 01 02:59:18 bbl Mar 01 02:59:41 im sure thats without data, right etx`? Mar 01 02:59:47 off to work on my enyo app **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 01 02:59:57 2011