**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 01 02:59:57 2011 Mar 01 02:59:58 I was on this chan with wirc for a few hours Mar 01 03:00:01 on wifi Mar 01 03:00:07 thats awesome Mar 01 03:00:11 text'd and a few phone calls Mar 01 03:00:26 that's what you get when you get rid of Java ;) Mar 01 03:00:34 yeah i was surprised, my old bat was down to 500 mAh max :( Mar 01 03:00:46 well the phone paired with the GPS Mar 01 03:00:52 i miss real batteries Mar 01 03:01:05 the kind that would wear down your pocket Mar 01 03:01:07 I'm anti java for sure heh, spent too much time tooling around with that damn vm Mar 01 03:01:08 you mean like AA? Mar 01 03:01:29 lol nope. i mean like batteries that you would see in cell phones from ~1999 - 2000 Mar 01 03:01:51 i want to put AA batteries in my pre :) Mar 01 03:01:59 i have an old sprint samsung, battery makes up 60% of phones weight :3 Mar 01 03:02:04 lol that would be pro Mar 01 03:02:34 just use C cells if you OC heh Mar 01 03:02:47 :D Mar 01 03:02:59 where could I find out more about the bluetooth system on the pre? Mar 01 03:10:18 I just realized wIRC has a different subtitle every time you open it. mostly because I was looking forward to "now you can IRC from the crapper." Mar 01 03:10:46 heh. first time i saw that, guess where i was headed :) Mar 01 03:10:48 no, I'm not on the crapper* Mar 01 03:10:53 =) Mar 01 03:10:55 no pun intended. Mar 01 03:12:09 doesn't seem like the auto-join favorites feature is working for me though Mar 01 03:22:31 think my pre- can handle that F105 kernel? Mar 01 03:23:29 ya never know until you try it Mar 01 03:23:34 memboot it the first time to find out Mar 01 03:28:26 one kaboom'ed pre minus coming up! Mar 01 03:31:04 F105 sent my pre into a infinite boot loop. Gonna have to doctor :p Mar 01 03:31:10 * halfhalo gets popcorn Mar 01 03:31:16 Abyssul: wait, nooooo Mar 01 03:31:20 I CAN FIX IT Mar 01 03:31:23 cryptk: easiest way to get at the uImage-* from F105? Mar 01 03:31:25 K Mar 01 03:31:31 Explain :) Mar 01 03:31:32 extract the full uimage from the webOS doctor Mar 01 03:31:43 it's located in /boot/ in uh, webOS.tar I think? Mar 01 03:31:49 Alright Mar 01 03:32:02 djwhitey_pre, download the ipk for it from ipkg.preware.org Mar 01 03:32:10 then extract it and grab the uImage out of it Mar 01 03:32:17 k ty Mar 01 03:32:39 let me find the 2.1 doctor haha its on my flash drive Mar 01 03:33:08 Abyssul: haha, no worries. anyways, inside that, in webOS.tar... there's like, nova-custom-castle.rootfs or something Mar 01 03:33:40 hiding in boot inside that is a uimage, pretty sure for 2.1 it's called "uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430" Mar 01 03:33:56 offtopic: my browser now seems to refresh all the time when I swipe between apps. did I patch to fix that in 1.4.5? Mar 01 03:34:21 how's it goin? Mar 01 03:34:50 Abyssul: then just feed this into the command line (assuming you have the SDK installed...) novacom boot mem:// < path to your uImage Mar 01 03:35:04 I have novacom Mar 01 03:35:12 Ill update you in 5 mins :) Mar 01 03:35:37 sineot, couldn't I install the Palm Kernel from Preware (when available) and have the same affect as doctoring (mostly)? Mar 01 03:36:06 PatrickC: Not really Mar 01 03:36:12 dude for the love of god just DOCTOR THE DAMN THING ALREADY >:B Mar 01 03:36:22 Lol what did he do? Mar 01 03:36:37 like I said, I don't have a LINUX environment yet! Mar 01 03:36:46 and won't have one for probably a month! Mar 01 03:36:58 he's running the leaked 2.0.1 for Pre+ and won't set up a VM to build metadoctor to get the proper 2.1 doctor built Mar 01 03:37:08 It's Linux, man, it's Linux ;_; Mar 01 03:37:14 oh... Mar 01 03:37:17 you could run it in a VM with 64mb of RAM if you wanted to Mar 01 03:37:18 AHHH.... Mar 01 03:37:22 Or less Mar 01 03:37:42 SineOt, I was wondering why you kept saying he didn't have 2.1 Mar 01 03:37:56 I'm behind in school and can't set it up till I'm caught up :'( Mar 01 03:38:00 or run it with cygwin on windows Mar 01 03:38:08 cryptk: this one (latest timestamp)? http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/2.1.0/org.webosinternals.kernels.psycho-f105-kernel-pre_2.1.0-4_arm.ipk Mar 01 03:38:09 PatrickC, dude... totally not cool. take your poor abused phone to the doctor Mar 01 03:38:22 so you can code apps and dick around with Mojo, but can't spend the five minutes to set up the VM? :p Mar 01 03:38:29 it's like 4 clicks to go from 0 to VM Mar 01 03:38:48 djwhitey, that looks like it Mar 01 03:38:55 I'm not allowed to do it on the main computer.. Mar 01 03:39:00 there's a BUNCH... Mar 01 03:39:05 do it on your laptoooopppppppppp Mar 01 03:39:07 my personal one has 168 MB RAM Mar 01 03:39:11 I tried! Mar 01 03:39:11 you can run the thing with 32mb of rammmmmm Mar 01 03:39:14 don't work Mar 01 03:39:18 Let him wallow in his own failure Mar 01 03:39:31 won't work Mar 01 03:39:37 you didn't even know that VM doesn't install side by side with your current OS Mar 01 03:39:38 computer is too crappy Mar 01 03:39:48 He's trolling. Can someone kick him? lol Mar 01 03:39:50 wouldn't even boot into the VBox Mar 01 03:40:06 I'm going to blame your set up than Vbox Mar 01 03:40:10 cryptk: warthog|sbromwich|eguadet|psycho-* (7 of them) Mar 01 03:40:11 did you even install an OS onto the VM? Mar 01 03:40:23 I'm trying to get a new computer with 4GB RAM and 7 x64 Mar 01 03:40:26 yes I did Mar 01 03:40:30 so many choices Mar 01 03:40:37 djwhitey, lemme take a look Mar 01 03:40:41 it told me "Host Memory Critically Low" Mar 01 03:40:41 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/2.1.0/ Mar 01 03:40:52 what did you have your VM's memory set to? Mar 01 03:41:06 everything I could set it to Mar 01 03:41:07 PatrickC, what is your host system? Mar 01 03:41:11 djwhitey, http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/2.1.0/org.webosinternals.kernels.psycho-f105-kernel-pre_2.1.0-4_arm.ipk is the F105 kernel Mar 01 03:41:14 XP Pro Mar 01 03:41:30 on a pentium3 pc Mar 01 03:41:33 PatrickC, http://www.cygwin.com/ Mar 01 03:41:34 which is... Mar 01 03:41:39 P: Mar 01 03:41:43 1mb? 512mb? Mar 01 03:41:49 168MB Mar 01 03:41:49 ah yes. but what are all those other ones, cryptk? Mar 01 03:42:03 okay, so you have 168MB of RAM total Mar 01 03:42:07 you told the VM to use 168MB of RAM Mar 01 03:42:09 yes Mar 01 03:42:13 nope Mar 01 03:42:16 other kernels, those are all "dummy packages" Mar 01 03:42:29 got the uimage Mar 01 03:42:30 not actual kernels... they are for AUKT Mar 01 03:42:39 PatrickC, either find a way to make one of our suggestions work on your computer so that you're not running crap beta, or just stop asking questions about your crap beta till you *can* fix it Mar 01 03:42:53 djwhitey, inside the ipk file, the uImage is at /usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.kernels.psycho-f105-kernel-pre/additional_files/boot/ Mar 01 03:43:20 ok! I'm looking at cygwin Mar 01 03:43:51 Can I send the uimage replacement with WOSQI? Mar 01 03:44:23 that will eat up some time getting the environment set up so that you can build a meta doc, but if you can't dual boot or run a VM it's your only option besides using the regular 1.4.5 doc on your phone Mar 01 03:45:52 I don't want 1.4.5 and I'm not turning it into a dual boot.. just don't want to right now... Mar 01 03:46:02 I'm doing cygwin now Mar 01 03:46:09 just installin it Mar 01 03:46:34 I could build a linux box out of sticks. Mar 01 03:46:36 cryptk: thanks. please don't laugh, but I tried opening the ipk with winrar & no dice. should i try extracting it on my linux machine? (i.e. ar x file.ipk) Mar 01 03:46:46 I never liked cygwin Mar 01 03:46:51 VM is so much easier Mar 01 03:46:54 yeah, just do it on your linux machine Mar 01 03:47:03 if you have Ubuntu, the built in archive manager can open it Mar 01 03:47:17 my jaunty jackalope has no head Mar 01 03:47:45 my bad, Lucid Mar 01 03:49:14 PatrickC, we just *can't* help you with illegally obtained software Mar 01 03:49:33 I didn't obtain it illegally though Mar 01 03:49:36 that's the ting Mar 01 03:49:48 if you didn't then discussing it is breaking the NDA you signed. Mar 01 03:50:00 either you're violating an NDA that you signed or you got it though an illegal channel Mar 01 03:50:12 If you didn't sign an NDA, then you have installed stolen goods. Mar 01 03:50:35 PatrickC: Did you get it by clicking a link which took you to an HP server?? Mar 01 03:50:50 well, if I say I got it under NDA, I break the law, if I say I got it illegally, I break the law... Mar 01 03:50:56 its a lose lose situation Mar 01 03:51:03 and I didn't break the law Mar 01 03:51:09 PatrickC: Did you get it by clicking a link which took you to an HP server?? Mar 01 03:51:20 PatrickC, we're trying to help, but we have to keep the generic asses of #webos-internals covered Mar 01 03:51:26 (that's the way people keeps defending themselves) :( Mar 01 03:52:58 I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble RagingMind Mar 01 03:53:06 I can prove anything needed Mar 01 03:53:35 and I can't install cygwin :'( Mar 01 03:53:42 no internet Mar 01 03:53:53 PatrickC... you need to stop discussing possible NDA related materials in this channel Mar 01 03:53:53 SinOt: Thanks for the help Mar 01 03:54:16 ok, discussion dropped by me Mar 01 03:54:41 PatrickC, I don't think you're trying to do that, but to the best knowledge of anyone here we don't see a legal way for you to have that software without being under an NDA that keeps you from discussing it Mar 01 03:54:55 kk... big happy webOS family again? :) Mar 01 03:55:05 Even if you got it legally, you can't discuss it in public places :) Mar 01 03:55:06 yes Mar 01 03:55:16 discuss what? :) Mar 01 03:55:19 Better than the broken down Android family who has been through 6 divorces.... Mar 01 03:56:43 Abyssul: ROTFL Mar 01 03:58:12 ok F105 coming up.. *crossing fingers* Mar 01 03:58:22 Will I be able to ever get Sprint Navigation back in the future, or is it just gone? Mar 01 03:58:29 mmm... baby Pre Plus doesn't want to boot :D Mar 01 03:58:32 ttk1opc, I am working on that Mar 01 03:58:45 Oh cool, thanks! Mar 01 03:58:46 expect news in the next day or two RE: Sprint Nav Mar 01 03:58:51 will the Pixi ever see some love? Mar 01 03:59:02 And baby Pre doesn't have enough juice.. grrrr Mar 01 03:59:29 anyone wanna help with the Verizon stuff? I've got a pre and some time to poke different thing at it ;) Mar 01 03:59:31 m-h-k: Tell me your luck. My pre dies Mar 01 03:59:44 and ticking away at 1.005 GHz Mar 01 03:59:49 is the F105 uImage called uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 ? Mar 01 03:59:52 ragingmind, like what? Mar 01 03:59:54 it's already booted, I'm in Govenah now Mar 01 04:00:09 Will sprint announce anything other than a pos dual screen kyocera and an wp7 device? Probably not. Mar 01 04:00:12 Damnit! Mar 01 04:00:16 Why didnt it work for me... Mar 01 04:00:57 PatrickC, we can't come out with a 2.X doc for the pixi until HP releases one (for any carrier) Mar 01 04:01:08 whatever screenstatev2 is vs. the previous screenstate Mar 01 04:01:08 PatrickC, skype mostly Mar 01 04:01:28 Skype would be awesome Mar 01 04:01:32 well, I don't skype, so I can't help sorry Mar 01 04:01:48 Abyssul: dunno, this is a GSM Pre- and no SIM inside Mar 01 04:02:08 I have a sprint pre - Mar 01 04:02:22 woop i guess so. my sprint pre- is in Govnah at 1.005GHz Mar 01 04:02:29 Should I give it another shot? Mar 01 04:02:31 wow this is _flying_ Mar 01 04:02:35 well, no cygwin for me :'( Mar 01 04:02:35 should I monitor it? Mar 01 04:02:43 or go ahead and install it w/ Preware? Mar 01 04:03:23 i just installed it through Preware Mar 01 04:03:31 added testing feed and hit install Mar 01 04:03:46 wow I'm plugged into USB and current was -100mA while wIRC was starting up Mar 01 04:03:46 Same here Mar 01 04:04:07 frickin snappy though Mar 01 04:04:15 let's try the touchstone Mar 01 04:04:32 but that sucks it won't charge via usb... let's see what the wall does Mar 01 04:04:32 Touchstone should give 1A shouldnt it? Mar 01 04:04:58 pretty much same as on the original charger/cable Mar 01 04:05:05 * NuttyBunny tries music challenge on facebook... Mar 01 04:05:16 This is freakin' fast Mar 01 04:05:22 Stop showing off! Mar 01 04:05:31 on 1.4.5 I only OC'd to 800 MHz Mar 01 04:05:37 If my Pre cant overclock Ima throw it at the wall. Mar 01 04:05:55 Well, at least it can boot up. Mar 01 04:06:14 Abyssul: is yours booting now? Mar 01 04:06:26 The stock kernel Mar 01 04:06:37 well at least you got it back Mar 01 04:06:41 Yeah Mar 01 04:06:45 current from the wall is 300-400mA while launching FB,Spaz, & Gmaps Mar 01 04:06:50 you did the novacom boot mem:// thing? Mar 01 04:07:01 * djwhitey membooted Mar 01 04:07:03 yep, uninstalled F105 Mar 01 04:07:14 :-/ Mar 01 04:07:16 Ima see if the stock kernel for 2.1 is posted on Preware Mar 01 04:07:29 yes it is Mar 01 04:07:34 recovery kernel is there Mar 01 04:07:41 Really? website says different Mar 01 04:07:45 just uninstall f105 and it reinstalls stock Mar 01 04:07:45 Its just a placeholder Mar 01 04:07:59 hm, I just refreshed the feeds 5 mins ago Mar 01 04:08:05 just before I booted F105 Mar 01 04:08:09 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/2.1.0/ Mar 01 04:08:18 based on filesize it looks like a placeholder Mar 01 04:08:24 compared to F105 Mar 01 04:08:27 * m-h-k checks again. Mar 01 04:08:28 ok, it began to feel warm... I think I'll just let them run at 800 (both of the babies) Mar 01 04:08:41 hm, it's marked as recovery Mar 01 04:08:52 * contradude is thankful that f105 works well and fast for him Mar 01 04:08:52 Jack87, Jack87 you home? Mar 01 04:09:08 ka6sox, indeed I am Mar 01 04:09:08 otherwise...you fone is a Thud Mar 01 04:09:12 back to homework Mar 01 04:09:14 did you make it ok Mar 01 04:09:23 bleh...for small values Mar 01 04:09:24 hm, it does clock down to 500 every now and then... must be the screenstate-v2 Mar 01 04:09:38 jack87 any suggestions on alternatives to cygwin? Mar 01 04:09:42 Time to try again Mar 01 04:09:45 yea i left mine off for a few secs & it dropped to 500 Mar 01 04:09:52 PatrickC, what are you trying to do? Mar 01 04:09:52 ubuntu virtualbox? Mar 01 04:10:06 meta-doctor without ubuntu Mar 01 04:10:09 Abyssul: if it still doesn't work maybe you need to wait for uberkernel and only OC to something like 800 Mar 01 04:10:19 ubuntu is a no-go for my laptop Mar 01 04:10:26 PatrickC, negative you need ubuntu... (or another linux distro) Mar 01 04:10:27 Possible, but I clocked at 1Ghz in 1.4.5 Mar 01 04:10:33 PatrickC, you can run Ubuntu in VirtualBox Mar 01 04:10:36 he needs to build a metadoc Mar 01 04:10:43 can't cryptk Mar 01 04:10:45 then it should work too Mar 01 04:10:52 160MB RAM too little Mar 01 04:11:05 O.o Mar 01 04:11:09 s/160MB/168MB Mar 01 04:11:11 PatrickC, didnt you say your dad was letting you do it on the main pc? Mar 01 04:11:11 you could possibly live boot the UbuntuCD Mar 01 04:11:12 PatrickC: you can run Ubuntu without an X server going (i.e. CLI-only) Mar 01 04:11:19 160Mb RAM? Ubuntu runs :) Mar 01 04:11:30 dj, you're right, stock recovery kernel is a placeholder Mar 01 04:11:35 well, not till I'm caught up in school Mar 01 04:11:44 I was confused b/c other are in the "unavailable" category Mar 01 04:11:48 and nuttybunny, not in a vbox :'( Mar 01 04:11:55 PatrickC, I suggest you get caught up in school Mar 01 04:12:06 lol, I'm trying :p Mar 01 04:12:19 I want my permit and can't get it till I'm caught up :/ Mar 01 04:12:21 PatrickC, you can always boot without a gui Mar 01 04:12:31 PatrickC: that means that you might need to quit playing with multistage apps :p Mar 01 04:12:33 * djwhitey hears an echo Mar 01 04:12:40 on the laptop. and use other computer to read instructions... Mar 01 04:12:42 well..... Mar 01 04:12:47 mmm... it's been a while since I ran it on a low mem machine :S Mar 01 04:12:52 all you need to do is run cryptk's one script Mar 01 04:13:09 Jack87, it isn't checked in yet.... I wanna get the Sprint Nav fix in there first Mar 01 04:13:09 you might try xubuntu, that's supposed to be a version that uses less memory Mar 01 04:13:10 cryptk, ^ confirm? Mar 01 04:13:14 gonna do that tonight hopefully Mar 01 04:13:15 Attempt 2 at installing F105 Mar 01 04:13:35 my 10.04 ubuntu: 496.93 MB total, 229.52 MB used Mar 01 04:13:39 Siltaz Mar 01 04:13:40 PatrickC, be patient when i am all caught up with school i can help you Mar 01 04:13:46 ok Mar 01 04:13:55 by then cryptk's script will be ready Mar 01 04:13:58 Run on 30MB of ram Mar 01 04:14:05 we are both behind :) Mar 01 04:14:07 lol Mar 01 04:14:11 cryptk, (he is using verizon for service) Mar 01 04:14:26 computer has a ridiculously slow processor Mar 01 04:14:27 PatrickC, haha ya... and Scale took me behind further. Mar 01 04:14:38 Jack87, hrm... yeah, the script as is should work for him then Mar 01 04:14:47 in theory your pre can creat a meta doctor hehe Mar 01 04:14:54 well... no service lol Mar 01 04:14:58 In theory Mar 01 04:15:01 but i'm running a bunch of mess like apache, webmin, miniDLNA, etc... Mar 01 04:15:06 ooo pre-made meta doctor :p Mar 01 04:15:21 Pre Doctoring itself... It will become invincible Mar 01 04:15:35 I know! Mar 01 04:15:45 or make it, download to computer, then doctor Mar 01 04:15:46 PatrickC, never been tested i just chatted with cryptk about it for kicks during scale Mar 01 04:15:55 Attempt 2 at F105 = It boots! Mar 01 04:16:17 possible at all? Mar 01 04:16:21 yeah... in theory it would work... as long as you use optware to install the required dependencies Mar 01 04:16:41 and the CPU is 696 MHz Mar 01 04:16:50 ok the laptop Mar 01 04:17:23 has there been a walkthrough made yet cryptk? Mar 01 04:17:29 or going to be made? Mar 01 04:17:37 PatrickC: sounds like that laptop should run nothing but linux Mar 01 04:17:41 PatrickC, a walkthrough for running meta-doc on the pre itself? Mar 01 04:17:45 no, it is all theory at this point Mar 01 04:17:50 for maybe making it? Mar 01 04:18:11 nope, it was just a discussion Jack87 and I had at scale Mar 01 04:18:20 well good luck Abyssul, let us know how it goes Mar 01 04:18:23 That thing can run linux, what is it running now? Windows 1? Mar 01 04:18:31 XP Pro Mar 01 04:18:52 PatrickC, best thing for you is a gui less ubuntu it will be fun and educational for you Mar 01 04:19:02 lol Mar 01 04:19:10 Jack: heh Mar 01 04:19:24 now to figure out how to do a gui less ubuntu... Mar 01 04:19:28 ok it throttled itself down to 500MHz and now won't come out of it Mar 01 04:19:38 just give me time till i can help you Mar 01 04:19:44 Wow, 2.1 at 1Ghz makes you grin like a idiot Mar 01 04:19:45 no matter how many apps i try to launch concurently Mar 01 04:20:05 ok Mar 01 04:20:07 You need the alternate cd, but there are lightweight distros with guis Mar 01 04:20:23 and we're not getting it because of HARDWARE issues... Mar 01 04:20:25 sigh Mar 01 04:20:25 I wish I could build it on the pre itself.. that would be awesome :p Mar 01 04:20:46 I'm trying to get a new HP Laptop Mar 01 04:21:10 the Lenovo U260 is SO SEXY... *drools* Mar 01 04:21:18 4GB RAM, 320 GB HDD, Win7 Pro x64 Mar 01 04:21:32 15.5" screen Mar 01 04:21:35 webcam Mar 01 04:21:54 webOS Mar 01 04:21:56 yeah Abyssul, had the same experience here Mar 01 04:21:57 o wait.. Mar 01 04:22:18 I also set the compcache to 32k Mar 01 04:22:22 i'm trying to play w/ compcache... seems like an infinite circle Mar 01 04:22:29 Are you running the pre minus at 1Ghz? Mar 01 04:22:33 set it to false->apply Mar 01 04:22:42 2.1 plus 1 Ghz plus 32k compcache... who needs a Pre2 ;) Mar 01 04:22:55 nm circle finished up finally Mar 01 04:23:02 I'm tempted to try it Mar 01 04:23:05 ttk, yes Mar 01 04:23:28 m-h-k: you mean 32M? Mar 01 04:23:36 yeah m Mar 01 04:23:42 m-h-k, hehe i sure could use one :) Mar 01 04:23:52 m-h-k, the pre2 was designed to go that fast, so it doesn't eat your battery at that speed? ;) Mar 01 04:23:52 pre2 is sexy Mar 01 04:23:56 build quality! Mar 01 04:24:06 true I wouldn't mind the glass screen Mar 01 04:24:07 that's why I'd love a pre2... and the screen! flat glass.... hmm... Mar 01 04:24:13 Pre3 FTW Mar 01 04:24:20 +1 Mar 01 04:24:21 Im running at 32MB Mar 01 04:24:23 No problems Mar 01 04:24:34 I need to hold a pre3 first to make sure it's not too big. the pre is perfect Mar 01 04:24:40 my problem: it went down to 500MHz and won't go back up Mar 01 04:24:45 * PatrickC wishes he had a better laptop Mar 01 04:24:52 but I like what WOI can squeeze out of the old Pre- Mar 01 04:25:00 1Ghz on Pre 2 runs cooler, drains less battery, and is probably faster than 1gh Pre Mar 01 04:25:10 dj, I had that too and after a while it went back up again Mar 01 04:25:22 I have no idea what he is doing in that kernel :) Mar 01 04:25:53 m-h-k: what who is doing in it? Mar 01 04:25:54 and it was not temp.. that's around 35 C and steady Mar 01 04:26:11 mine's @ 41C Mar 01 04:26:17 fairly constant Mar 01 04:26:30 I don't do C I do F :) Mar 01 04:26:38 do I need to run more stuff to produce more heat? ;) Mar 01 04:26:42 pandora seems to be choking Mar 01 04:26:51 Im charging a full battery at 38ish C Mar 01 04:26:57 * m-h-k opens tons of cards. Mar 01 04:27:01 I'm charging at... 20C, fffff Mar 01 04:27:05 PatrickC: very few countries in this world do F (and i'm from US) Mar 01 04:27:18 I don't like to do the conversions :p Mar 01 04:27:27 then let google do them Mar 01 04:27:38 Patrick: me neither, I stick with C ;) Mar 01 04:27:47 350mA on Touchstone, is that good? lol Mar 01 04:27:54 m-h-k: i'm running gonah, Pandora, google maps, voogle, preware Mar 01 04:27:58 but C is harder for me to learn, I like JS Mar 01 04:28:02 Abyssul: about what i'm getting from the wall Mar 01 04:28:19 yeah I could do google maps too Mar 01 04:28:28 it's a hawg Mar 01 04:28:29 Although, when I put it on the touchstone, it goes to 500mhz so lol Mar 01 04:28:41 What is the mA normally? Mar 01 04:28:58 http://www.twitvid.com/6OS8F WIN Mar 01 04:29:03 Abyssul: when on or off charger? Mar 01 04:29:04 it's usually around +550 mA or so on my Touchstone Mar 01 04:29:12 Well.... Mar 01 04:29:16 Thats a shame Mar 01 04:29:24 When on the charger Mar 01 04:30:14 dj: I'm running Music (remix) and playing some stuff, Google maps, Preware, Govnah, drPodder, and it's all still very fluid Mar 01 04:30:17 halfhalo: lol. owned Mar 01 04:30:37 my pandora choked Mar 01 04:30:44 well... sorta Mar 01 04:30:54 i can switch between screens, but not scroll? Mar 01 04:31:06 Priorities... Mar 01 04:31:18 ok opening the App Catalog made Music click a little for a moment Mar 01 04:31:32 * PatrickC is going to try and install Ubuntu in VBox Mar 01 04:31:51 How did you get Music Remix? Mar 01 04:32:36 use lubuntu or xubuntu Mar 01 04:32:52 does the emu run in VBox 4 yet? Mar 01 04:33:03 ok Mar 01 04:33:34 Mmmm... something's wrong here.... Mar 01 04:33:43 what? Mar 01 04:34:02 dj? Mar 01 04:34:02 what do you mean Mar 01 04:34:02 i could swipe back-gesture, and tap date/abc buttons in pandora, but couldn't scroll the list of stations up & down Mar 01 04:34:02 seems like i've lost audio period now as well Mar 01 04:34:02 regular music app not playing Mar 01 04:34:02 hm, I had something similar in drPodder earlier today but that was long before F105 Mar 01 04:34:02 woops just kidding there it goes Mar 01 04:34:03 eventually I tossed the card and reopened it Mar 01 04:34:07 I had a browser and Govnah open, and I couldn't open Angry Birds... TMC error Mar 01 04:34:17 Abyssul: bought it in the App Catalog Mar 01 04:34:44 the beauty of the European actication.. I don't need to masquerade Mar 01 04:35:06 Thats how Mar 01 04:35:12 Cant get it with US activation Mar 01 04:35:14 halfhalo, So funny!!!! Mar 01 04:35:41 yea, pwnd with that silly pink hat Mar 01 04:35:44 haha Mar 01 04:35:56 Abyssul: yes, I know. I am sorry for you. Mar 01 04:35:58 lisa brooster from HP Mar 01 04:36:28 WebOS internals got the public to capture her good times :) Mar 01 04:36:41 wow he joined on this screen a lot faster than the scene actually loaded Mar 01 04:36:48 liar Mar 01 04:38:14 hmm. launching voice dialing while music was playing fracked the music app Mar 01 04:38:35 there u go :-) Mar 01 04:38:43 or maybe not... spinning circle over 2Pac's face right now Mar 01 04:38:45 downloading lubuntu now Mar 01 04:38:47 Ok, I'm just running wIRC and can't run angry birds... Mar 01 04:38:49 Voice dialing is surprisingly accurate Mar 01 04:39:00 Although its not good with the word "dad" Mar 01 04:39:00 yea. i'm ready for voice texting now Mar 01 04:39:09 Abyssul: even in spanish works great Mar 01 04:39:13 and voice app launching Mar 01 04:39:16 brb Mar 01 04:39:27 voice overclocking.. hm "run at 600 Mega-hertz" Mar 01 04:39:44 niice Mar 01 04:39:44 actually my bad it was Pandora that voice dialing seemed to freak out Mar 01 04:40:26 in 2.1 you can't shrink the cards anymore? like... to the mini-view? Mar 01 04:40:26 Voice dialing opens any time I plug anything into the 3.5mm jack Mar 01 04:40:38 m-h-k nope Mar 01 04:40:42 ttk: does not on mine Mar 01 04:40:56 nor on mine Mar 01 04:41:04 patrick: ok at least I am not too dumb to do it Mar 01 04:41:19 switched channels on pandora & it started playing again Mar 01 04:41:26 hmm, maybe its my cord, must think its a headset Mar 01 04:42:35 ttk: i am using the original pre headset and that has a mike Mar 01 04:42:44 is there a download manager for webos? Mar 01 04:42:55 the pre headset has a mic? I thought it just had a button Mar 01 04:43:02 It has a mic Mar 01 04:43:03 nope mic too Mar 01 04:43:05 it's got a mic Mar 01 04:43:12 ah that's cool, holding the button on the headset enters voice dial Mar 01 04:43:17 * RagingMind goes to play with his cord Mar 01 04:43:18 Indeed Mar 01 04:43:46 That's interesting, now I'm not sure, not a big deal, I just close it. Mar 01 04:43:59 the mic is in the part with the button Mar 01 04:44:20 sineot: I'm trying to get a linux environment going Mar 01 04:44:27 Argh.. just rebooted and no PDK games work :'( Mar 01 04:44:38 lol Mar 01 04:45:14 uninstalling now... I prefer my games over smooth flash... I'll try tomorrow :) Mar 01 04:48:25 how are y'all getting 2.1? pre plus? Mar 01 04:48:48 meta-doctor Mar 01 04:48:55 undrwater: metadoctor, Pre- Mar 01 04:48:55 undrwater: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Mar 01 04:49:10 quarks Mar 01 04:49:11 groovy :) Mar 01 04:55:23 is it hard to do the upgrade? Mar 01 04:55:37 Nope Mar 01 04:55:45 Even easier now that there are instructions Mar 01 04:56:27 wow Mar 01 04:56:41 if I can get ubuntu working, I will *try* and do it Mar 01 04:58:03 i found a "good" ebuild for gentoo...need to get it going Mar 01 04:58:09 I hate how big the ubuntu 10.10 is Mar 01 04:58:12 works as daily phone? Mar 01 04:58:25 PatrickC: install the server version and use the command line. Mar 01 04:58:46 It works as a daily phone Mar 01 04:58:48 hey Mar 01 04:58:51 rwhitby, server version? Mar 01 04:58:59 and use command line for what? Mar 01 04:59:04 server version of ubuntu Mar 01 04:59:14 the installing of ubuntu into a vbox? Mar 01 04:59:17 no gui...no gnome, kde, lxde, etc Mar 01 04:59:31 X-less Mar 01 04:59:47 and I can use it for the meta-doctor? Mar 01 04:59:56 metadoctor is cli Mar 01 05:00:06 how do I stop a download I started with the nova-browser? Mar 01 05:00:28 PatrickC: i'm also using the server version/command-line only (10.04) Mar 01 05:00:39 hmm Mar 01 05:00:50 does it take a vbox to run? Mar 01 05:01:15 no, you can install it as the host o/s as I've done Mar 01 05:01:28 you can use the version you already started to install Mar 01 05:01:43 host, as the *only* or *main* Mar 01 05:01:50 exactly Mar 01 05:02:04 as in *XP no work anymore?* Mar 01 05:02:09 PatrickC, good luck i am out Mar 01 05:02:11 yes Mar 01 05:02:15 ok cya jack Mar 01 05:02:21 but I want to keep xp on it Mar 01 05:02:24 bye all. Mar 01 05:02:30 and use ubuntu for *only* this Mar 01 05:02:31 do you have 2 hard drives in it? Mar 01 05:02:35 you can dual-boot Mar 01 05:02:36 nope Mar 01 05:02:42 just one 15GB HDD Mar 01 05:02:43 You can continue to use lubuntu, just boot into a console Mar 01 05:02:53 ok then run the damn live CD in runlevel 3 =D Mar 01 05:03:05 no CD burner Mar 01 05:03:11 dinosaur of a laptop :/ Mar 01 05:03:23 boot to USB! (jk your mobo prolly doesn't support) Mar 01 05:03:25 lol. where did you get this thing Mar 01 05:03:39 my pastor's old *old* laptop Mar 01 05:03:48 XP Pro SP2 Mar 01 05:04:00 686MHz I think for the CPU Mar 01 05:04:14 doesn't ubuntu offer some side-by-side install where the root fs just resides in a large file on the windows fs? not sure what that install was called.. Mar 01 05:04:18 PatrickC: don't you have a CD burner in your other computer? Mar 01 05:04:30 ya wubi Mar 01 05:04:38 s/in/on Mar 01 05:04:39 other computer isn't suppose to be used right now :/ Mar 01 05:04:48 o sorry Mar 01 05:04:57 its fine lol Mar 01 05:05:14 I have to get caught up in school before I can do stuff on that one :/ Mar 01 05:05:24 someone want to do my school for me? Mar 01 05:05:29 don't suppose the laptop will boot to USB then? Mar 01 05:05:36 nope Mar 01 05:05:37 PatrickC: save yourself some time on that crap computer and get caught up Mar 01 05:05:39 tried that.. Mar 01 05:06:08 yea. you should be catching up now that you've exhausted your alternatives Mar 01 05:06:12 ;) Mar 01 05:06:20 lol Mar 01 05:06:28 I'm going to try vbox one more time Mar 01 05:06:40 does vbox even run on that thing? Mar 01 05:06:49 sometimes... Mar 01 05:06:50 lol Mar 01 05:07:04 did I just see a tweet that rwhitby got uberkernel running on a Pre- with 2.1? Mar 01 05:07:11 vbox would run better on my pre Mar 01 05:07:11 crap i didn't think it'd actually do it Mar 01 05:07:19 Mark_M: you did Mar 01 05:07:20 /test Mar 01 05:07:22 do what? Mar 01 05:07:35 OMG!!!! Mar 01 05:07:40 congrats rwhitby Mar 01 05:07:43 nice Mar 01 05:07:51 Thanks and congratulations Mar 01 05:07:52 [11:06pm] Closing Link: unaffiliated/djwhitey (Quit: (time for me to go catch up in school)) Mar 01 05:08:00 someone last year tried to use a macbook using vmware with XP SP2 and then vbox running on that with debian and Gnustep... Mar 01 05:08:02 Mark_M F105 works Mar 01 05:08:16 Mark_M: i'm running F105 kernel on a Pre- with 2.1 Mar 01 05:08:23 I have been holding back until I know that Uberkernel and a few patches are updated Mar 01 05:08:24 1.005GHz Mar 01 05:08:35 I saw the F105 kernel earlier Mar 01 05:08:47 this is all so great and reminds me that it is time to donate again Mar 01 05:08:57 goin to do school till ubuntu is done copying Mar 01 05:09:14 it runs sooooo much smoother Mar 01 05:10:16 /msg me if needed Mar 01 05:10:26 don't think I'll be needed though :p Mar 01 05:11:22 well I'm satisfied with F105 kernel. gonna try uber now Mar 01 05:11:37 is uber in the feeds already? Mar 01 05:11:42 yea Mar 01 05:11:45 cool Mar 01 05:11:49 wow Mar 01 05:11:49 darn, I can't install Google or the new ones :( Mar 01 05:11:54 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/2.1.0/org.webosinternals.kernels.palm-kernel-pre_2.1.0-9_arm.ipk Mar 01 05:11:57 I'll stick with F105 for now Mar 01 05:12:07 i'm not actually installing them Mar 01 05:12:11 just membooting Mar 01 05:12:12 I'll try uber tomorrow Mar 01 05:12:16 oh Mar 01 05:12:20 membooting? Mar 01 05:12:20 I'm on F105, so far so good Mar 01 05:12:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot Mar 01 05:14:10 it's blazing, and it sucks my battery dry in no time ;) Mar 01 05:15:02 lets try 32MB RAM Mar 01 05:15:04 I can only get 4 hours out of my battery anyway because I am always doing something on it. It s all a trade-off Mar 01 05:15:06 but i'm j/k.. i have a 7.61 load right now so it has to suck some juice Mar 01 05:15:34 http://rewards.southerngospel.com/asp3/ContestDetail.aspx?AID=129140&status=Active Mar 01 05:15:36 it's synching all my accounts now so it's pretty busy Mar 01 05:15:45 here is that laptop I keep talking about :p Mar 01 05:15:48 booting uber now Mar 01 05:17:25 what do think of the laptop? Mar 01 05:17:47 aren't you catching up on school? Mar 01 05:18:26 I'm reading science and doing this Mar 01 05:18:26 PatrickC-school: I have to ask, why are you connected to freenode via Vilnius, Lithuania? I assume you live near Nashville Mar 01 05:18:46 I think you're not going to win Mar 01 05:18:49 yes I do Mar 01 05:19:03 win what? the laptop? Mar 01 05:19:08 Ya Mar 01 05:19:19 well... I can try ;) Mar 01 05:19:38 just refactored my last.fm ape interface, sleepy time.. Mar 01 05:20:18 lool , api! damn 2.1 auto correct heh Mar 01 05:20:21 trying to boot ubuntu now Mar 01 05:21:05 VERR_NO_MEMORY Mar 01 05:21:10 error I keep getting Mar 01 05:21:16 brb Mar 01 05:21:27 zomg 2.1 lets you submit BUG REPORTS for apps?! Mar 01 05:21:34 yep Mar 01 05:21:35 that's amazing Mar 01 05:21:44 Does the new MetaDr script include carrier specific apps and Flash? Mar 01 05:21:50 i mean i'm sure i'll still get lots of 0-star reviews "doesn't install" etc Mar 01 05:21:50 but Mar 01 05:21:51 still Mar 01 05:21:58 :D Mar 01 05:22:21 Mark_M: not all of them but they're still sorting these out. Flash: no, not right now. Mar 01 05:22:53 some of the carrier apps do not seem to work under os 2.1 even if they are installed Mar 01 05:23:05 I love the Sprint Navigator app. I suppose that I could install the ipk myself Mar 01 05:23:21 yeah but I read that's one of the ones that do not work Mar 01 05:23:52 m-h-k oooh, that will prevent me from upgrading Mar 01 05:24:04 Will I have to reflash to get the carrier apps? And if so I won't have to clear profile backups will I? Mar 01 05:24:11 yeah I have 2 Pres so I upgraded one but kept my main phone on 1.4.5 Mar 01 05:24:14 I use that app all of the time when on the road Mar 01 05:24:37 I use Navit but it cannot get GPS fixes on webos 2 Mar 01 05:24:57 My GPS signal has been flaking out on my lately Mar 01 05:25:03 and I'm on 1.4.5 Mar 01 05:25:04 they say it's a bug in webos 2 and HP needs to fix this.. so it's 1.4.5 for Navigation right now Mar 01 05:25:34 ttk1opc: maybe and maybe Mar 01 05:25:39 m-h-k, thanks so much. I didn't see this. Mar 01 05:25:42 I can't run any pdk game on F105 on a AT&T Pre+ :( Mar 01 05:25:44 what is the least amount that I should allow ubuntu to use for RAM? Mar 01 05:26:12 thanks Mar 01 05:26:31 Maybe there is still hope that there will be an official Doctor for Sprint sometime in the future Mar 01 05:26:33 what do you even have for ram? Mar 01 05:26:55 160MB Mar 01 05:27:05 s/160MB/168MB Mar 01 05:27:07 Mark_M: yeah it sucks.. GPS only for Mojo apps like Google Maps, but not for PDK apps like Navit... :( Mar 01 05:27:34 darn Mar 01 05:27:38 Mark_M: or an upgrade offer to a Pre 2,3,4,5 Mar 01 05:28:09 I really want a Pre3. Any upgrade will be a temporary solution to a new device. Mar 01 05:28:11 UberKernel for 2.1.0 is now in the testing feed Mar 01 05:28:23 thanks rwhitby Mar 01 05:28:32 rwhitby, that didn't take long!!!!! Mar 01 05:29:10 Mark_M: we don't muck around in WebOS Internals Mar 01 05:29:36 rwhitby, no doubt. You guys are all business. Always getting the job done. Mar 01 05:30:16 rwhitby: did you get any chance to see what HP has changed in the kernel since 1.4.5? Mar 01 05:30:29 rwhitby: what's org.webosinternals.kernels.palm-kernel-pre_2.1.0-9_arm.ipk? seems like palm default? Mar 01 05:30:38 rwhitby, I'm excited but I guess I have to wait until Sprint Navigator works Mar 01 05:31:23 only ondemand & userspace available Mar 01 05:33:27 1300 people in one channel is overwhelming Mar 01 05:34:21 nm i see it's *palm-kernel-pre* & not *uber-kernel-pre* Mar 01 05:34:57 PatrickC-school: 119 here Mar 01 05:35:13 1300 in #ubuntu Mar 01 05:35:19 ah Mar 01 05:35:35 yep Mar 01 05:35:53 and they are ignoring me..... Mar 01 05:36:21 see? Mar 01 05:36:29 1300? Mar 01 05:36:47 well, almost 1400 Mar 01 05:36:58 where? Mar 01 05:37:07 #ubuntu Mar 01 05:37:14 oh Mar 01 05:37:30 yea... Mar 01 05:37:55 did you get the alternate cd or are you trying to run the gui installer, or are you using it as a live cd? Mar 01 05:38:34 vbox Mar 01 05:38:43 lol Mar 01 05:38:47 that doesn't answer the question Mar 01 05:38:59 ya I know, but what are you running in vbox Mar 01 05:39:41 ubuntu10.10.iso Mar 01 05:41:08 I can't see that not ending in failure with your hardware, I thought you were getting the alternate install. Mar 01 05:41:55 lubuntu is a huge file Mar 01 05:41:58 PatrickC-school, is this a fresh installation? What is failing I missed it? Mar 01 05:42:29 error Mar 01 05:42:36 VERR_NO_MEMORY Mar 01 05:43:10 try slitaz, that will definietly run, the dl is 30MB http://www.slitaz.org/en/get/index.html#stable Mar 01 05:43:25 so this install wipes everything? Mar 01 05:43:52 undr: you mean the 2.1 doctor? Mar 01 05:44:16 moving from 1.4.5 to 2.1 will wipe everything because it requires partitions to be shuffled Mar 01 05:44:16 thanks ttk1opc Mar 01 05:44:24 PatrickC-school are you running in vbox? If so then have you allocated enough memory? Mar 01 05:44:46 I am running in vbox and I'm allocating all I can Mar 01 05:44:52 m-h-k: yeah Mar 01 05:45:12 Sine0t: which is weird, because after I first did 1.4.5 -> 2.1.0 my USB drive survived; when I reflashed to 1.4.5 and did it again, it got nuked. Mar 01 05:45:21 SineOt: thanks...not like there's a lot to wipe for me tho :) Mar 01 05:45:27 * dtzWill reboots into UK Mar 01 05:45:43 PatrickC-school how much is all I can? Mar 01 05:45:51 oh...if the drive gets wiped, there goes the map Mar 01 05:45:54 about 22MB Mar 01 05:47:07 PatrickC-school yoBu need much more than that to get Ubuntu going. I think the minimum for the standard Ubuntu install is 512 M Mar 01 05:47:16 wow Mar 01 05:47:38 I just booted slitaz in vbox it loaded to a destop in less than a second Mar 01 05:47:44 and all the doctor images that would have to be downloaded are a couple hundred Megs on their own Mar 01 05:48:28 PatrickC-school 256 MB is minimum for standard Ubuntu workstation Mar 01 05:48:46 wow Mar 01 05:49:14 PatrickC-school, 22MB? really? that memory or disk space? Mar 01 05:49:21 memory Mar 01 05:49:25 memory Mar 01 05:49:31 There are barebones versions that can run in limited hw environments Mar 01 05:50:26 256 seems like a lot... PatrickC-school didn't you download the lite version? Mar 01 05:50:41 no... Mar 01 05:50:46 PatrickC-school: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso Mar 01 05:50:47 full 800MB ISO Mar 01 05:50:55 Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" Minimal CD 12.7MB Mar 01 05:50:56 yeah... Mar 01 05:51:19 but there's Ubuntu, and then a bunch of variants Mar 01 05:51:21 RagingMind, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes#System%20Requirements Mar 01 05:51:51 he said lubuntu earlier Mar 01 05:52:04 PatrickC-school you want a build that has a kernel slimmed down for your environment Mar 01 05:52:21 like ttk1opc stated Mar 01 05:52:39 the netbook/mini.iso that djwhitey gave? Mar 01 05:52:57 I run Ubuntu on a 4 GB USB drive on various machines but they all have at least 1 GB or RAM. Mar 01 05:53:05 or=of Mar 01 05:53:08 404 on webos doctor? Mar 01 05:55:09 pretty much every ubuntu install requires 256MB looks like Mar 01 05:55:19 8.04+ Mar 01 05:55:32 but 'may' run on less Mar 01 05:55:50 is there another link for webosdoctor? Mar 01 05:56:32 Unless I custom build the kernel, I prefer to run Ubuntu on at least 1 GB Mar 01 05:57:57 my 10.04 is running using only 229.52MB right now, and that's with apache/mysql/smbd/webmin/transmission/miniDLNA/vsftpd/etc Mar 01 05:57:58 good luck doctoring and kernelling, everyone Mar 01 05:58:22 djwhitey, pretty good Mar 01 05:59:50 I just looked at my server and I am only using 139 MB Mar 01 06:00:04 yea, it's very low-footprint =) Mar 01 06:01:03 and doesn't need much CPU. i've got P4 1.50GHz... and that's more than it needs Mar 01 06:01:58 I have a P3 Mar 01 06:02:16 rwhitby, for the new-meta-verizon script... should be safe to add the mobile hot spot ipk Mar 01 06:02:54 I palm-installed it just after I doctored my phone a couple days ago, and I was testing it today... it works nice and peachy Mar 01 06:04:23 rwhitby: i haven't been able to add the testing feeds in Preware 1.5.4 since i went to 2.1. "Add Feed" button just spins & spins Mar 01 06:04:59 gonna just copy over the ipk & install it manually Mar 01 06:10:57 does the pre use ipkg? Mar 01 06:11:05 what's the inverse of /usr/sbin/rootfs_open -t Mar 01 06:11:21 or.. "do the opposite" Mar 01 06:12:55 once I make the doctor, can I run it in windows? Mar 01 06:13:06 under yes Mar 01 06:13:11 undrwater yes Mar 01 06:28:19 coolio...i remember from zaurus days Mar 01 06:32:07 PatrickC: yes, after you make the doctor you can run it anywhere Mar 01 06:32:26 ok awesome Mar 01 06:33:00 my clock app will no longer launch Mar 01 06:43:05 fixed Mar 01 06:43:08 night all Mar 01 07:01:03 the magic of scripting is escaping me right now Mar 01 07:01:11 oh... mobile hot spot is listed, why is VZW_IPKS in two spots? Mar 01 07:02:51 AH, it's for the wifi only Mar 01 07:05:04 pre 2 was faster but the overall webos experience was still relatively slow Mar 01 07:05:15 * bhuey just saw one at verizon today Mar 01 07:06:12 yeah, I think that'll get fixed with 2.1 though... 2.0.1 and 2.0 have always come across to me as half baked Mar 01 07:11:08 Morning! Mar 01 07:11:15 ice8lue: good night Mar 01 07:11:54 morning ice8lue Mar 01 07:12:09 night destinal Mar 01 07:13:53 ^^good night destinal Mar 01 07:13:57 hi hape_ Mar 01 07:40:36 yay, now testing the new UK for 2.1 =) Mar 01 07:58:31 works nice =) Mar 01 09:08:56 Just wanted to say thanks to everyone that worked on the 2.1 port and the wiki. Had a super easy WebOS 2 install on a spare Sprint Pre I got today for testing. Mar 01 09:09:42 =) Mar 01 09:37:49 can anyone recommend an app that lets me group contacts that isn't super contacts? Mar 01 09:38:20 kmsrc: What is your target. Quick access for dailing? Mar 01 09:38:49 If yes I would recommand "Pronto Dail", they has a free trail in the app store. Mar 01 09:38:58 and can handle different groups Mar 01 09:39:27 cool thx Mar 01 09:41:25 yeah, I use Pronto Dial. One app that takes performance and functionality seriously over decoration (and correctly so). Mar 01 09:42:07 rwhitby: yep, I was suprised how fast the startup time is. And a good UI. Mar 01 09:42:26 moin moin Mar 01 09:42:30 rwhitby: Do you also have the problem that it sometimes forget the contact pictures? Mar 01 09:42:35 hi noradtux_wirc Mar 01 09:43:57 * noradtux_wirc is happy, webos 2.1.0 and 800 MHz :D Mar 01 09:44:11 hape_: dunno Mar 01 09:49:02 * bhuey is still thinking about his experience with a verizon pre 2 toda Mar 01 09:49:25 It's definitely faster but it's not nearly as smooth as an iPhone Mar 01 11:08:48 hi :) Mar 01 12:01:34 wow I just shall uberkernel Mar 01 12:01:43 s/shall/saw Mar 01 12:03:05 w00t need to reboot LUANA .. Mar 01 12:08:06 aloha! Mar 01 12:08:35 i am having trouble runnign novacom on arch linux (it works fine on ubuntu) is anyone else running a current arch here? Mar 01 12:15:25 anyone? Mar 01 12:16:36 < rwhitby, ping Mar 01 12:57:13 i am having problems with novacom, it always gives me errors... Mar 01 12:57:22 so webos doctor doesnt fnd a device Mar 01 12:57:54 anybody got a minute to help me out? Mar 01 13:00:15 JesusMcCloud-lt: could you provide the error messages in a pastebin? Mar 01 13:01:20 JesusMcCloud-lt: have you enabled the dev. mode with the "konami-code"? Mar 01 13:01:40 sure, someone already did before me and i stumbled upon an irc log for here so there ya go: Mar 01 13:01:44 Lichtlos, http://pastebin.com/Y2gE56Yq Mar 01 13:02:18 i need to flash the device with an image that has dev mode enabled by default in order to get it to wirk with my carrier... i cant even flash it... Mar 01 13:02:56 i suspect the problem is that my libusb is too recent.. Lichtlos, what is you libusb version ob ubuntu? Mar 01 13:03:47 JesusMcCloud-lt: 2:0.1.10a Mar 01 13:04:22 1.0.8-1 here Mar 01 13:04:25 wtf? Mar 01 13:04:38 Lichtlos, any ideas what could cause the problem? Mar 01 13:04:57 JesusMcCloud-lt: nope, sry Mar 01 13:05:11 crud! Mar 01 13:05:32 this really sucks since i just got it back from the repair centre and i cant even use it now... Mar 01 13:05:39 JesusMcCloud-lt: have you tried using a VM? Mar 01 13:05:47 Lichtlos, yup, no luck... Mar 01 13:05:52 (using virtualbox) Mar 01 13:06:05 virtualbox with "extensions"? Mar 01 13:06:31 "VirtualBox 4.0.4 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack" Mar 01 13:07:41 Lichtlos, i installed the guest add-ons or whatever it is called for shared folders, etc.. Mar 01 13:08:10 or is this somethign else? Mar 01 13:08:12 JesusMcCloud-lt: did you build VBox yourself or not? Mar 01 13:08:22 usb support is closed source Mar 01 13:08:57 Lichtlos, i used the official virtualbox package from the repositories (arch) i will check in 5 minutes when the download inside the virtualvbox is finished Mar 01 13:10:17 hi guys Mar 01 13:10:35 i have a question Mar 01 13:11:04 i have installed webos 2.1 on my pre (minus), is it possible to install the 2.1 patches with preware Mar 01 13:13:02 crud now the virtualbox hangs on stupid apt stuff... Mar 01 13:13:39 JesusMcCloud-lt: hdd full? :P Mar 01 13:18:05 nope apt just sucks Mar 01 13:18:25 Pre-User: wiki page step 5 Mar 01 13:19:29 which wiki page? Mar 01 13:19:31 yo Mar 01 13:19:43 is preware down ? Mar 01 13:19:55 no Mar 01 13:20:03 joebpre: no Mar 01 13:20:38 I opened it and got massive errors .. let me tey again Mar 01 13:20:50 rwhitby, do oyu have any ideas on my previous pastebin? Mar 01 13:20:51 wierd .. it works Mar 01 13:21:29 JesusMcCloud-lt: nope. arch linux is not a supported platform by Palm Mar 01 13:22:06 rwhitby, i know it is not supported, but it used to work last time i tried Mar 01 13:26:28 Lichtlos, virtualbox ftw! vbox did not have permissions for usb devices, now it works, thanks for you time though! Mar 01 13:27:35 you're welcom pal Mar 01 13:39:11 * bhuey wonders what do folks think about the Pre 2 Mar 01 13:39:46 bhuey: do you have one? Mar 01 13:40:35 I like it, but then I'm a fan of phones that fit in my hand Mar 01 13:55:42 i <3 penguin Mar 01 14:19:49 rwhitby: which wiki page? Mar 01 14:21:11 is there a 2.1 patch repo? Mar 01 14:24:37 Pre-User: how can you be installing 2.1 on a Pre minus without reading the wiki page? Mar 01 14:24:58 and if you follow step 5, Preware will access the 2.1.0 patch repo. Mar 01 14:25:17 Pre-User: what instructions are you following? Mar 01 14:31:49 i used the webosinternals german wikipage Mar 01 14:31:55 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor-DE Mar 01 14:32:30 That page does not refer to webOS 2.1.0 Mar 01 14:32:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade is the page you should be following. Mar 01 14:35:25 oh ok. ty very much. ill try that Mar 01 14:40:42 meta-doctor was a little painful because it requires some advanced skills. Mar 01 14:43:09 am i in the right where...? Mar 01 14:43:17 Anyone awake here? Mar 01 14:44:19 hellloooooo Mar 01 14:44:50 How many channel bots are in there Mar 01 14:45:01 nope Mar 01 14:45:57 =) nice Mar 01 14:46:31 what do you guys do here? Mar 01 14:46:35 =)) Mar 01 14:47:56 many monitor the irc. ask something. you should get an answer. Mar 01 14:50:46 I have Palm Pre 2. I was just wondering if I can talk to a device through ethernet port. Mar 01 14:51:13 but probably I can not get an answer to this =) Mar 01 14:51:29 you can. Mar 01 14:51:48 sftp Mar 01 14:51:56 and other ways. Mar 01 14:53:21 There is also a CAN-BUS port on that device. Mar 01 14:53:46 so I need a can-bus or ethernet to usb converter i think? Mar 01 14:53:51 search precentral forums for ssh Mar 01 14:55:07 oh... the sdk has ways to do it with the phone in developer mode Mar 01 14:56:16 hit forums on precentral should take you where you want to go. Mar 01 14:56:40 searching Mar 01 14:56:49 I am newbei. Mar 01 14:56:54 also webos-internals.org Mar 01 14:57:51 ya. it's takes a long time to understand how everything works. i'm still learning. Mar 01 14:58:28 I use zumodrive to transfer files. 2gb is free. Mar 01 14:59:03 I know the thing I am searching for is a bit complicated and advanced but just wondering Mar 01 14:59:49 I want to communicate my cars ECU through my phone.. Mar 01 15:00:05 interesting! Mar 01 15:00:36 what protocol does it use? Mar 01 15:00:48 CAN BUS protocol Mar 01 15:00:58 or ethernet ply Mar 01 15:01:06 the ecu supports both Mar 01 15:01:15 post the question to the precentral forum. you'll get a response. Mar 01 15:01:54 Thanks. I need to learn at least to be able to ask a question about that Mar 01 15:02:00 maybe use a game router to wireless router to palm pre. Mar 01 15:03:19 I can connect to the ECU through my laptop with dedicated softwares. Mar 01 15:03:32 I am wondering if i can adapt the softwares to webos Mar 01 15:03:59 because webos is linux I'll bet it is possible. Mar 01 15:04:39 but the software I run are based on windows 7 Mar 01 15:05:47 I don't get it, I can't figure out why the uberkernel postinst script fails on my Pre-1 2.1.0 Mar 01 15:07:34 whoops, looks like I had the wrong version in my palm-build-info. should have checked that first. I doctored before the meta-doctor scripts came out :) Mar 01 15:08:27 hey folks! Mar 01 15:08:47 hey Mar 01 15:09:07 quick q -- what's the best way to recover files from the USB partition post-doctor? Mar 01 15:09:24 post-doctor, didn't you backup? Mar 01 15:09:28 (and no i'm not interested in hearing that's its difficult/imposs, yes i missed the pictures in my backup) Mar 01 15:09:36 hehehe... Mar 01 15:10:08 those were like, the most fun pictures i ever took at a party, how could I forget! Mar 01 15:10:09 :( Mar 01 15:10:22 if the partitions were resized, I think it's nearly impossible... but if they didn't, any undelete utility that works with FAT filesystems should work Mar 01 15:10:49 * ajay_ doesn't recommend doctoring in a hurry Mar 01 15:11:21 * NuttyBunny doesn't recommend playing with Govnah voltage settings w/o backing up either :( Mar 01 15:11:31 NuttyBunny: yeah I wonder what happened... doctoring from 1.4.5 to 2.1.0 didn't destroy the USB partition, but going back did Mar 01 15:11:58 maybe i made the USB partition a diff size.. hrmm.. Mar 01 15:12:02 i mean var Mar 01 15:12:24 ajay_ 1.4.5-2.1.0 doesn't destroy the partition sometimes, but resizes it. If something goes wrong, it recreates the partitions Mar 01 15:12:44 2.1.0 - 1.4.5 on the other hand... 1.4.5 sees the partitions of different size, doesn't even care and deletes them :( Mar 01 15:13:12 SHIT.. yeah I had var at 1 GB now it's at 2.. GAH Mar 01 15:13:42 (I think) Mar 01 15:14:44 Well... you might try with an undelete utility, I think there are several that let you search directories outside the main FAT (which I think is pretty lost)... but... I don't think you'll get far... Mar 01 15:15:03 * NuttyBunny is glad his Pre Plus did boot after all and backs up everything :D Mar 01 15:16:01 NuttyBunny: yeah undelete can't do anything when the USB partition is fresh Mar 01 15:16:24 it has to be a tool that can read the raw sectors Mar 01 15:17:26 * ajay_ is looking at testdisk and photorec now.. but is in a hurry (still) Mar 01 15:17:31 yeah, or some one that can look for directory entries within those sectors... but now that I think of it, maybe you won't find anything but subdirectories below the first level Mar 01 15:19:40 NuttyBunny: check out these 2 utils, they look cool.. http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/56588 Mar 01 15:21:13 * ajay_ is debating whether he should redoctor to 1gb VAR or not, hrmm.. :( Mar 01 15:21:40 rwhitby: FWIW the arch linux issue is probably the same as the opensuse one, there's a newer libusb that breaks, using the ubuntu / debian one seems to fix it Mar 01 15:22:18 Hey, that photorec looks cool :D Looks in raw sectors for pictures' magic number I gues.. Mar 01 15:22:24 brb. Mar 01 15:24:34 SeCuRe_: ethernet to wifi bridge on the device you want to talk to is probably easiest. otherwise, we would need USB host mode on the pre to talk to a usb-ethernet adapter and nobody's gotten that working yet (but I believe it's possible) Mar 01 15:25:26 * ajay_ is a bit sick to his stomach about the loss Mar 01 15:25:34 (or maybe i'm just hungry and need to take a dump) Mar 01 15:26:05 ajay_: doh, didn't back up? Mar 01 15:28:12 destinal: I guess you missed the "yeah its true I missed the pictures in the backup" line I gave earlier.. Mar 01 15:28:20 ah Mar 01 15:28:53 destinal: It was my fault, I was playing with the Metadoctor makefile too much, and didn't change INCREASE_VAR_SIZE back to what i had it (Which was different than what rob had it.. why, i don't know in retrospect!) Mar 01 15:29:06 but I do have ncurses! gah.. Mar 01 15:29:51 oh i know why, 2gb var is a little large.. 1gb.. that's reasonable.. oops! Mar 01 15:30:07 rwhitby: works great. ty! Mar 01 15:30:53 anybody built a package against ncurses in the widk? Mar 01 15:31:34 ajay_: I haven't but I imagine it should be straightforward Mar 01 15:32:10 Changed my mirc font to Prelude.ttf I took off the Pre. So nice :D Mar 01 15:33:40 destinal: shouldn't be, trying to logically figure out what path to give configure for ncurses libs/include, but the path i tried didn't work.. maybe i'm too stressed to think methodically.. Mar 01 15:34:30 the scratchbox2 file we made (which you have to pass) sets up the armv7 libs as /usr/local/lib IIRC Mar 01 15:35:10 but you have to use the same paths referenced in the wiki article Mar 01 15:36:47 hm, in that case it should be finding the LIBs okay, maybe it's the include its struggling with.. that should work too.. Mar 01 15:38:16 destinal: don't see any configure paths on the doom or wipdk articles.. Mar 01 15:39:29 * ajay_ is using sb2 Mar 01 15:41:48 halfhalo: wouldn't be surprised at anything these days! Mar 01 15:44:41 * ajay_ got configure to work.. now so many make errors! *headache* Mar 01 15:45:08 * ajay_ oops wrong dir! Mar 01 15:49:01 * halfhalo is getting around to adding kernel testing feed to preware.... been such a long time since he has done that Mar 01 15:50:04 * ajay_ wonders what uuid+uuidgen can be skipped, hrmm.. Mar 01 15:52:19 ajay_: ./configure normally just works Mar 01 15:52:25 if you're using autoconf Mar 01 15:53:13 ajay_: ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local Mar 01 15:53:24 is DOOM, for instance Mar 01 15:54:07 Wondering whether to install uberkernel on my pre - on 2.1.... Mar 01 15:54:13 On the one hand it could kill my phone Mar 01 15:54:14 is anyone getting there profile back after using the --wifi-only flag in meta-doctor? Mar 01 15:54:22 but on the other, any OC can kill any hardware anyway! xD Mar 01 15:54:46 Boopop: haven't heard any reports of uberkernel killing 2.1 phones, or is there something I've missed? Mar 01 15:54:57 Neither have I Mar 01 15:55:05 but there's always a risk with such things aren't there Mar 01 15:55:18 this is true Mar 01 15:55:34 I do have a spare phone I guess Mar 01 15:55:40 overall success rate seems very high but there's obviously some kind of non-zero risk and no warranty :) Mar 01 15:55:40 not a spare smart phone though xD Mar 01 15:55:52 Depends how you look at it I suppose Mar 01 15:55:58 Everything's a risk anyway xD Mar 01 15:56:07 Walking outside is a risk Mar 01 15:56:17 granted a slimmer one than say jumping off a cliff xD Mar 01 15:56:18 dest Mar 01 15:57:06 ajay_: still here. what's up? Mar 01 15:57:46 destinal: yeah i played with it, got it to configure.. i know i'm not supposed to, but i included the FULL path to ncurses (lib and includes) Mar 01 15:58:04 its the only way it would work Mar 01 15:58:11 but, now i need uuidgen! Mar 01 16:00:55 damn i need to pick this guy up RSN, and roadtripping is so not conducive to this stuff.. (and why doesn't the notebook boot ubuntu anymore?!) if anyone can compile testdisk/photorec for me I would be SO appreciative!! Mar 01 16:01:25 I think I'm just going to create a dev env on my dev device next, sb2 is a bit quirky for me.. gotta shower, bbiab Mar 01 16:02:57 Argh... Baby Pre does screenstate all the way down to 125Mhz, while the Pre Plus can't go below 500Mhz :S Mar 01 16:05:19 ajay_: actually building stuff on a pre is sloooow, I don't recommend it Mar 01 16:11:26 Anyone remembers the formula to calculate the voltage values for the custom kernels? Mar 01 16:16:35 * NuttyBunny grabs his cable and begins poking with the voltages Mar 01 16:16:51 (yes, today I did brought my cable) :) Mar 01 16:22:52 mmm... echo 250000 > scaling_sets Mar 01 16:22:52 peed novacomd socket was closed prematurely ... and... www.palm.com/ROM :D Mar 01 16:26:26 Boopop: i've been running uberkernel for about 10hrs now & mine hasn't died.... yet =) Mar 01 16:27:36 I think I need to do the umasq thing Mar 01 16:27:43 thought I'd done it already but apparantly not Mar 01 16:27:50 can only see 1.4.5 kernels =S Mar 01 16:28:11 yea you need to do step 5 Mar 01 16:28:22 and 6 ;) Mar 01 16:28:26 swear I've done it already >.< Mar 01 16:28:28 oh well Mar 01 16:29:19 Oh wait Mar 01 16:29:26 I only did the first part to step 5 Mar 01 16:29:27 that'd be it! Mar 01 16:29:41 destinal: I guess the question is slow vs simple then..? ;^) Mar 01 16:29:42 rootfs_open -t? Mar 01 16:29:55 wait again... those are 3 different ways to do it, like I'd though Mar 01 16:29:57 d'oh Mar 01 16:30:15 and the notebook won't boot ubuntu, so i don't even know how I can work on this from the road now.. sigh.. Mar 01 16:30:32 djwhitey: Just looked at it now and thought the three sections in bold all had to be done Mar 01 16:30:34 if I figure it out, may hit ya'll up from the road.. for now.. peace! Mar 01 16:30:45 then looked at it again and realised I was right in the first place xD Mar 01 16:30:49 nah. 3 different ways to skin that cat Mar 01 16:30:55 brb! Mar 01 16:32:22 if you've done it right, you should see the 2.1 kernels. just open your device info app & look at version. If it says Palm webOS 1.4.5, you're still masqed. Mar 01 16:32:50 There we go Mar 01 16:33:01 oops missed your /quit Mar 01 16:33:05 if you've done it right, you should see the 2.1 kernels. just open your device info app & look at version. If it says Palm webOS 1.4.5, you're still masqed. Mar 01 16:34:16 2nd time's a charm! xD Mar 01 16:36:27 nice Mar 01 16:36:39 Phone's now rebooting Mar 01 16:36:48 so certain i did this in the first place >.< Mar 01 16:40:29 re-doctor after doing it? Mar 01 16:40:35 hooray! Mar 01 16:40:37 worked this time Mar 01 16:41:23 I guess now I'm a bonafide 2.1 user instead of a faker xD Mar 01 16:41:38 Anyone remembers the keypress combination to get the console text on the pre while booting? Mar 01 16:42:28 Hmm Mar 01 16:42:37 OS version on the site still says 1.4.5 =( Mar 01 16:43:10 will that update itself later or is there something else I'd have to do to get that changed? Mar 01 16:43:10 On Palm your version should stay on 1.4.5, that's ok Mar 01 16:43:49 does 2.1.0 on my device info mean I can see 2.1 apps yet? Mar 01 16:44:01 or would the OS version on the site have to change? Mar 01 16:44:11 not from the app store Mar 01 16:44:24 preware would be happy after you change 1 file Mar 01 16:44:34 2.1 on your device means you can RUN 2.x apps, but 1.4.5 on Palm means the app catalog won't show you those apps Mar 01 16:44:57 Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up everyone :) Mar 01 16:45:21 So...preware will show me all 2.1 apps but I can't get paid apps using preware? Mar 01 16:47:14 I want to go to 2.1 on a Big-V Pre Plus but don't want to lose HotSpot. Thought? Mar 01 16:47:39 scoinvaPre: Try freetether Mar 01 16:47:50 NuttyBunny: been staying away from twitter on purpose for a long time, rwhitby finally convinced me to give it a shot. Mar 01 16:48:05 Boopop: mmm... yes, that seems right :) Mar 01 16:48:37 Nutty: I didn't think freetether worked on 2.1 Mar 01 16:48:45 destinal: It's fun and it can keep you informed in a jiffy, I'm @cesarneg by the way Mar 01 16:48:56 mmm... Yes it works Mar 01 16:48:57 NuttyBunny: yeah, saw the message from you :) Mar 01 16:49:01 Uberkernel, go go go Mar 01 16:49:02 destinal: at least you were not tricked into it like oil :p Mar 01 16:49:22 scoinvaPre: It works, maybe you have to enable the testing feeds Mar 01 16:50:04 I guess mebbe flash is worth a shot now Mar 01 16:50:10 NuttyBunny: sweet! all speed ahead! Mar 01 16:50:57 does anyone know if LinPhone works on 2.1? Mar 01 16:51:33 scoinvaPre: It should, I think it's done for 2.x Mar 01 16:52:21 NuttyBunny: I'm running out of excuses. ;) Mar 01 16:52:49 destinal: Just remember, your tweets are public unless you "protect" them, the personal messages are DM (direct messages), those are private, but you and your counterpart need to be following each other Mar 01 16:54:15 scoinvaPre: You have UberKernel, it goes up to 1Ghz, it supports 2.x apps, you can even buy Voices (FrankenPre version) to voice record. The camera hasn't failed me, not even once. It has voice recognition that works... I don't know what you're waiting for :) Mar 01 16:54:55 NuttyBunny: as others have pointed out, I need to look into fixing Terminal (and then replacing it, it's a PITA to maintain) :) Mar 01 16:55:39 NuttyBunny: FrankenPre version seriously? Mar 01 16:55:41 lol Mar 01 16:56:11 wow! voice recogn makes it worth the effort! Mar 01 17:00:26 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ingloriousapps.voicesfrankenpre Mar 01 17:00:33 there, frankenpre version :D Mar 01 17:01:15 destinal: Yes, we all love Terminal, it's the best thing since sliced bread toasted in a webOS toaster ;) Mar 01 17:04:44 Well, it's not voltage, my Pre Plus doesn't get to 250Mhz and that's it... I just set the same voltage to 250Mhz as 500Mhz and it didn't work... I give up, it will be 500/720 :D Mar 01 17:09:15 What improves is 2.1.0-6 over 2.1.0-4 with F105? Mar 01 17:10:56 Abyssul: I hope it now works for PDK apps... yesterday I couldn't run any (TMC errors) Mar 01 17:11:21 Yeah Mar 01 17:11:26 I could run a PDK app Mar 01 17:11:31 but thats it Mar 01 17:11:37 anything else and it TMC Mar 01 17:11:55 also, I had to restart because of that and I ran into the booting problem again Mar 01 17:12:22 Im gonna have to stick to 600Mhz til things get sorted Mar 01 17:19:51 Abyssul: you may try Uber instead, it just ran 3 PDK games at the same time here :) Mar 01 17:34:16 So that's uberkernel installed, angry birds backup restored...now for flash xD Mar 01 17:36:06 flash install could be made much easier, I'd like to see a tool for extracting ipk's from an installed rootfs so we could just drag the ipk from the doctor in a few clicks and install it. Mar 01 17:38:22 mmm... well, Jason has a method for creating the ipk, and it could be automated Mar 01 17:38:36 not that method Mar 01 17:38:56 I know, I know, a script for auto installing it, like the meta scripts :) Mar 01 17:39:05 ah Mar 01 17:39:07 sorry Mar 01 17:39:09 NuttyBunny: yeah but he manually lists the files Mar 01 17:39:09 I misread Mar 01 17:39:22 NuttyBunny: they're already installed in the rootfs's ipkg lib Mar 01 17:39:41 so you should be able to browse all installed packages and retrieve any you like without having to know the file names Mar 01 17:40:06 mmm... but wouldn't that make things easier for piracy? Mar 01 17:40:38 NuttyBunny: should we get rid of all useful tools that might make piracy easier? computers for instance.. Mar 01 17:40:39 :P Mar 01 17:41:00 I guess you're right, it's not the tool, it's the people :( Mar 01 17:41:27 anyway what I mean is browsing a doctor jar anyway, not the device Mar 01 17:41:41 not really sure what people would want to pirate from there Mar 01 17:41:46 * halfhalo is half tempted to make a phone signal strength watching app for desktop Mar 01 17:42:05 I don't think anything from testing feed is showing up in my Preware :d Mar 01 17:42:19 right, when you said "installed rootfs" I thought of a live root filesystem, not the rootfs from the doceot :) Mar 01 17:42:24 I added the feed and errthang Mar 01 17:42:41 oh whoops Mar 01 17:42:56 oh no I take back that whoops Mar 01 17:43:08 ohhhhhh Mar 01 17:43:09 NuttyBunny: yeah, the ipkg lib on the rootfs (webos.tar) has all the metadata needed to reconstruct every ipk used in its creation Mar 01 17:43:24 preware.is.awesome.com Mar 01 17:43:38 easy enough to install them on another version of webos at that point. flash for instance Mar 01 17:43:49 destinal: Ah, I didn't knew that :D Mar 01 17:43:50 heyho Mar 01 17:44:02 But, is flash listed as a package in 2.0.1? Mar 01 17:44:16 NuttyBunny: everything comes from a package Mar 01 17:44:35 mmm... yes, debian, even the base filesystem Mar 01 17:44:49 nice thinking Mar 01 17:44:49 * halfhalo sees how hard it would be Mar 01 17:45:22 NuttyBunny: yeah, it's a different ipkg lib than is used for apps, so people don't tend to consider it Mar 01 17:45:42 * NuttyBunny pokes around the 2.0.1 rootfs Mar 01 17:46:50 * halfhalo has a plan on how this could work... and work well Mar 01 17:47:15 what are you thinking about to do? Mar 01 17:47:23 hey! wtf? I enable devmode in the profile login screen and it reboots to dr skipped first use... bah Mar 01 17:47:51 pulling up certain data from a device on a computer like signal strength, etc Mar 01 17:48:21 that would be useful Mar 01 17:54:34 * joeb_ is at super 8 Mar 01 18:06:02 halfhalo: cool thing to do would be to connect to phone over wifi and pull GPS and signal strength from phone and make a map of strength in your area Mar 01 18:06:23 that could be done with the way I want this setup Mar 01 18:08:20 I am basically thinking the best way to do this would be using data sources + data arrangers on the phone and data handlers on the server (ie desktop, whatever) Mar 01 18:12:02 basically, data sources would be something like the /var/log/messages file with a wrapper that has a set of standardized function calls, and then a data arranger called "Phone Info" could go and ask it what it can provide, and from that get say, signal strength Mar 01 18:21:11 can I use xubuntu/kubuntu for the metadoc? Mar 01 18:21:18 yup Mar 01 18:21:22 awesome Mar 01 18:21:39 ubuntu doesn't want to boot into my vbox for some reason Mar 01 18:21:50 keeps locking up.... Mar 01 18:22:10 will try those others soon (hopefully) Mar 01 18:24:48 Couldn't get flash to work :( Mar 01 18:24:52 Can't be bothered for now Mar 01 18:25:06 everything installed but flash pages just continually refresh Mar 01 18:27:14 PatrickC: Which version? How much memory? Mar 01 18:27:24 Boopop: You missed some files Mar 01 18:27:41 Well I checked the list twice >.< Mar 01 18:27:53 nuttybunny: idk what version... and 900MB Mem Mar 01 18:27:57 the list isn't very readable >.< Mar 01 18:28:48 mmm... did you copy the files or made the ipk file? Mar 01 18:29:01 ipk Mar 01 18:29:23 I'll have one more look, I guess Mar 01 18:29:33 how's it goin NuttyBunny Mar 01 18:30:05 PatrickC: Fine here, reDoctoring the Plus again :) Mar 01 18:30:28 how come? Mar 01 18:30:38 is 900MB RAM enough lol Mar 01 18:30:47 Boopop: There was a problem with the ipks not copying some files in /etc/adobe Mar 01 18:31:13 The Plus, was patched to skip activation and I kept getting Dr. Skipped First use profile :S Mar 01 18:31:30 And... 900Mb is more than enough for Ubuntu, it must be something else Mar 01 18:31:38 Booting from the cd image? Mar 01 18:31:43 yea... Mar 01 18:31:46 and yep Mar 01 18:31:55 the 6xx MB ISO Mar 01 18:32:22 it locks up VBox Mar 01 18:32:57 NuttyBunny: Maybe I'll try the other way Mar 01 18:34:44 Oh god! Mar 01 18:34:49 Boopop: Try installing the ipk again, it may help Mar 01 18:34:50 I just remembered my last dream Mar 01 18:34:58 I dreamt I was going bald! Mar 01 18:35:00 aaaack! Mar 01 18:35:03 I'm only 20 xD Mar 01 18:35:07 ohno! Mar 01 18:35:10 ol Mar 01 18:35:16 s/ol/lol/ Mar 01 18:35:17 PatrickC meant: lol Mar 01 18:35:24 hi infobot Mar 01 18:35:28 Howdy! Mar 01 18:35:35 hay ecates Mar 01 18:37:09 how many in here run some sort of linux? Mar 01 18:37:11 Gawrsh,didn't mean to kill the conversation. ;-) Mar 01 18:37:32 * ecates raises his hand Mar 01 18:37:42 vbox/dualboot/main? Mar 01 18:37:59 I run Vbox . . . so I can access Windows for work stuff. ;-) Mar 01 18:38:14 I'll give the ipk one more shot then NuttyBunny Mar 01 18:38:14 cluster ;) Mar 01 18:38:18 * NuttyBunny raises hand (main) Mar 01 18:38:24 I've got Fedora 14 on my desktop and Kubuntu on my laptop. And webOS on my phone. w00t! Mar 01 18:38:24 PatrickC- my main is linux Mar 01 18:38:46 I've got MacOS on my macbook...that's at least Unix like xD Mar 01 18:39:00 ecates: what version of ubuntu? Mar 01 18:39:08 hay all :) Mar 01 18:39:12 battery life on ubuntu on a macbook is poor Mar 01 18:39:13 That's FAUNiX, Boopop. :-D Mar 01 18:39:13 =( Mar 01 18:39:25 Or is it fauxnix? Mar 01 18:39:27 Oh? xD Mar 01 18:39:34 (j/k) Mar 01 18:39:40 Yeah I figured :P Mar 01 18:39:47 You mean like falsenix or something? xD Mar 01 18:40:20 PatrickC, I forget. I haven't moved up to the 11.04 betas, so it must be 10.10: Mendacious Muskox Mar 01 18:40:38 Yes. Fauxnix, Fakenix, Falsenix... *heh* Mar 01 18:40:39 hm... Mar 01 18:40:44 10.10? Lucid Lynx? Mar 01 18:40:47 10.10 won't run for me... Mar 01 18:41:05 Is 10.10 Lusty Lorax? Why did I think it was Marauding Mudcat? Mar 01 18:41:10 Try 10.04 Mar 01 18:41:13 I obviously can't keep track any more. Mar 01 18:41:19 Oh, yeah, something about a meercat Mar 01 18:41:33 NuttyBunny, yes. Mar 01 18:41:37 bleh, it's still doing it NuttyBunny =/ Mar 01 18:41:37 I will nuttybunny.. I'm also gonna try xubuntu/kubuntu Mar 01 18:41:43 I forget the adjective. Mar 01 18:42:00 I think I offended it Mar 01 18:42:08 Boopop: Try this: under novaterm type: mkdir /etc/adobe Mar 01 18:42:12 Kubuntu is fairly decent, for the "unloved stepchild distro." Mar 01 18:42:13 and install the ipk again Mar 01 18:42:37 novaterm? You mean from a linux command line? Mar 01 18:42:41 yep Mar 01 18:42:46 ='( Mar 01 18:42:48 well I have *no* linux experience.... Mar 01 18:42:50 You're killing me here :P Mar 01 18:43:00 I think I'll just delete it all and do it the other way Mar 01 18:43:08 cbf rebooting into ubuntu again Mar 01 18:43:11 ok.. ok..., then... do you have webOS quick install 3.x? Mar 01 18:43:24 why 3.x? Mar 01 18:43:28 and not 4.x? Mar 01 18:43:34 ^ Mar 01 18:43:38 And no but I can get it Mar 01 18:43:43 Because I read somewhere 4.x doesn't have linux commandline Mar 01 18:43:53 I thot it did Mar 01 18:44:28 got it Mar 01 18:44:30 3.14 Mar 01 18:44:59 ok, lemme check what directories you have to create Mar 01 18:45:22 is linux cmd line hard to learn? Mar 01 18:45:22 *bows to NuttyBunny* Mar 01 18:45:24 xD Mar 01 18:45:28 Nah not really PatrickC Mar 01 18:45:31 No, the Linux CLI is gone from 4.x. Apparently it was always wonky for some usage, so it just got axed. Mar 01 18:45:32 Just gotta get experience Mar 01 18:45:48 It's a differen way of doing things, PatrickC, but once you get used to it you'll find you use it more than the GUI. Mar 01 18:45:48 I have none :p Mar 01 18:45:59 Well then isn't it time you started? Mar 01 18:46:01 ;-) Mar 01 18:46:10 ^ this Mar 01 18:46:18 I'm no master of CLI mind Mar 01 18:46:19 I'm tryin, if it'll ever boot :p Mar 01 18:46:26 but I have a rough idea xD Mar 01 18:46:47 I have *no* idea of what lies ahead of me :) Mar 01 18:46:52 The awesomest thing about the CLI is all the piping and redirects and whatnot. You'll be surprised at how quickly you start learning some neat tricks. Mar 01 18:47:05 Boopop: Look for the linux command line option and type: mkdir -p /etc/adobe Mar 01 18:47:10 mkdir -p /usr/lib/BrowserServerPlugins/resource/ Mar 01 18:47:15 and try to reinstall the ipk Mar 01 18:47:25 Okay :) Mar 01 18:47:43 meanwhile I'll try to see why the hell my profile keeps being called Dr. Skipped Firstuse (and I didn't!!) Mar 01 18:48:03 did you bypass activation *at all*? Mar 01 18:48:22 other times, yes, but this time no Mar 01 18:48:31 this time I did it the right way Mar 01 18:48:35 weird.. Mar 01 18:48:46 right way? Mar 01 18:48:46 the meta doctor I did didn't have skip activation or anything like that Mar 01 18:49:03 yes, the last doctor had skip activation built in :) Mar 01 18:49:12 I need that :) Mar 01 18:49:30 you can use the --use-wifi option of the scripts Mar 01 18:49:55 sorry, it's --wifi-only Mar 01 18:50:04 well.. I can't use anything till I get linux running :p Mar 01 18:51:07 Here I go again, meta doctor, now even with developer mode disabled... :S Mar 01 18:51:17 wow Mar 01 18:51:30 PatrickC: What does get stuck? the VM? or the entire machine? Mar 01 18:51:31 dev mode (webos20090606) Mar 01 18:51:37 the VBox Mar 01 18:51:51 what version are you using? you may try an older one Mar 01 18:52:03 version? of vbox? Mar 01 18:52:03 or play around with the cpu settings Mar 01 18:52:07 yeah Mar 01 18:52:25 3.14 I think Mar 01 18:52:39 or whatever is the highest I can use with the emu Mar 01 18:52:45 mmm... I use 3.1.8 and have no issues Mar 01 18:52:50 ah, yeah, the same reason here :) Mar 01 18:53:13 4.x looks niice :) Mar 01 18:53:59 does Adela ever visit the channels? Mar 01 18:54:14 Ok, look, my VM (it runs win xp but boots an ubuntu usb iso fine) has VT-x/AMD-V enabled, you might play with that Mar 01 18:54:36 VT-x/AMD-V? Mar 01 18:54:47 That's done it thanks NuttyBunny, muchos gracias Mar 01 18:54:55 I REALLY need to donate to internals :3 Mar 01 18:55:02 or me? Mar 01 18:55:08 just cause your nice :) Mar 01 18:55:58 Vbox 4.x doesn't work with the webOS SDK. Rumor has it. Mar 01 18:56:09 it doesnt Mar 01 18:56:15 I know from experience Mar 01 18:56:21 lol Mar 01 18:56:31 PatrickC: In the properties of the VM, under System, I have in Processor: 1, Enable PAE disabled, and under Acceleration: the two checkmarks, play with those to see if it boots Mar 01 18:56:46 I will Mar 01 18:56:48 NuttyBunny: devmode from the dialer prior to first use app completing, skips first use Mar 01 18:57:04 I'm doin school now, and then will play :) Mar 01 18:57:19 school first :/ Mar 01 18:57:32 destinal: I know, that's the reason I full erased, and did it w/o devmode ... and nothing, then redoctored and nothing. Mar 01 18:57:36 doctoring once more Mar 01 18:57:52 bizarre Mar 01 18:58:57 how is 2.1 on battery? Mar 01 18:59:07 better :) Mar 01 18:59:16 It is? I haven't noticed much of a difference Mar 01 18:59:19 it certainly isn't worse Mar 01 18:59:21 cause mine is killing me :p Mar 01 18:59:22 fairly certain anyway Mar 01 18:59:47 nuttybunny: did it *used* to kill u? Mar 01 18:59:49 PatrickC: You won't get hours and hours from it, that's certain, you'd better get a new one :) Mar 01 19:00:03 and SineOt: I'm trying to get the meta working Mar 01 19:00:09 oh? how's it going? Mar 01 19:00:18 kinda/sorta good Mar 01 19:00:24 :D Mar 01 19:00:28 ubuntu won't boot into vbox as of right now Mar 01 19:00:52 if you're feeling daring, edit the meta doctor script and add in auto install testing feeds and preware and such Mar 01 19:00:59 PatrickC: Well, ... my story is different... I *used* to kill batteries :D (read Somline's battery research thread, I killed a 2600mAh battery) :D Mar 01 19:01:43 how?! Mar 01 19:02:26 Well, Palm has a nice program in the Pre that prevents overcharging batteries, and we... well, we just skipped it... and the battery got overcharged :) Mar 01 19:02:30 and eventually died Mar 01 19:02:34 How do you full screen flash? Mar 01 19:02:44 Boopop: You don't :( Mar 01 19:02:57 I thought there was some way of doing it in some demo I saw? >.< Mar 01 19:02:59 =/ Mar 01 19:03:16 you rotate your Pre and double click on the flash applet Mar 01 19:03:22 that's the best we can do :( Mar 01 19:03:32 Boopop: Get an extra-wide trenchcoat so you can open it up all the way. Mar 01 19:03:37 ahh right Mar 01 19:03:46 that's not so bad NuttyBunny :) Mar 01 19:04:12 * PatrickC_School wants a *certain* email to come..... Mar 01 19:04:24 * NuttyBunny is thinking about erasing the palm profile backup (again) to see if that helps with my profile :( Mar 01 19:04:50 what?! erase all apps???? Mar 01 19:04:53 Patrick: Maybe you should email again :) Mar 01 19:05:04 What's wrong with your phone NuttyBunny ? Mar 01 19:05:08 It doesn't erase the apps, just the data Mar 01 19:05:22 a profile backup erase just dumps contacts, calendars, that sort of thing Mar 01 19:05:27 it leaves app purchases intact Mar 01 19:05:27 I might email my dev rep from the Pre+ program Mar 01 19:05:34 Boopop: It keeps marking my profile as "Dr. Skipped First use" :( Mar 01 19:05:48 On what? the site? device info? Mar 01 19:05:56 Accounts Mar 01 19:06:11 The site has my correct name Mar 01 19:06:24 Device Info.. I don't remember, but it has my email there :@ Mar 01 19:06:46 Oh so you mean your name under Palm Profile in accounts is as dr skipped first use? Mar 01 19:07:05 hope you manage to fix it Mar 01 19:08:21 yeap, I really hope so. The account I have on the Pre- works fine :S Mar 01 19:14:09 almost halfway through skool!!! yay!!! Mar 01 19:14:37 almost halfway through work!!! yay!!! :D Mar 01 19:14:46 haha Mar 01 19:15:20 im leaving work in like 2 hours Mar 01 19:15:29 i don't care, I think im getting sick :O Mar 01 19:15:44 not good.. Mar 01 19:15:54 but then you get to play on your phone :) Mar 01 19:16:16 I'm playing right now with my phone :D Mar 01 19:16:48 at work? Mar 01 19:16:51 lucky Mar 01 19:16:51 sure Mar 01 19:17:03 what do you do? Mar 01 19:17:32 NuttyBunny: I wonder if this is what happens when you skip first use and then log in after Mar 01 19:17:39 installation and configuration of several types of Cisco networking devices Mar 01 19:17:41 maybe it registers with your profile as that Mar 01 19:17:59 lucky :p Mar 01 19:18:36 destinal: maybe... funny thing here, the last two times it didn't try to restore my apps... Mar 01 19:18:44 and I don't like that Mar 01 19:19:24 NuttyBunny: we barely even understand how the profile system works. so much research needs doing Mar 01 19:20:03 NuttyBunny, I've had that issue. Doctoring from 2.1 -> 2.1, and unless I wipe backups first my apps don't restore. The GOOD news is I can re-download them all for free from the App Catalog, but still . . . Mar 01 19:21:06 NuttyBunny: I envision a PC based app, save a copy of your tokens and log into the palm web services from the PC so you can view various details about the profile as well as change whatever things the device would be able to change Mar 01 19:21:09 one more page and I'm 1/2 done with school!!!! Mar 01 19:21:53 destinal: That would be so cool Mar 01 19:22:31 edcates: I haven't even looked at the profile... the freaking apps are not being restored. Mar 01 19:22:40 bah, profile backup erase, here I come Mar 01 19:23:02 NuttyBunny: first thing needed though is to MITM the various services and document everything in excruciating detail. aka, the not so fun part :) Mar 01 19:23:57 destinal: Yes, but to do that we need so sniff and really see what the devices send and what they receive, but it's not going to be that easy since I presume they exchange everything encrypted Mar 01 19:24:29 NuttyBunny: it's not that hard to do, I wrote a wiki article on it Mar 01 19:24:36 Device Info says: "Dr. Skipped Firstuse - Palm Pre" Mar 01 19:25:07 destinal: do you create middleman certificates? Mar 01 19:25:08 NuttyBunny: since you have root on your own device you can install your own certifying authority (root certificate used to sign the other certificates your man in the middle will provide) Mar 01 19:25:14 NuttyBunny: yup Mar 01 19:25:17 exactly Mar 01 19:25:50 right!!, and use a machine as a proxy to decode everything :) Mar 01 19:26:20 yeah, there are some good tools out there to do intercepting proxies already. burp proxy and mallory are a couple examples Mar 01 19:27:15 mmm... I might as well try that, as long as I get my dev Pre2.. (rotate devices, My GF inherits the Plus, I use the Pre2 and the Pre becomes the guinea pig) Mar 01 19:28:31 NuttyBunny: here's a simple example of how you might do it http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Decrypt_SSL_%28trusted_man-in-the-middle_technique%29 Mar 01 19:29:22 mmm.. Firefox died.. grr Mar 01 19:30:45 NuttyBunny: actually the webosinternals first wiki article I ever wrote back in June 2009 or so. somehow I never got around to doing much with it though Mar 01 19:30:57 so much to do, so little time Mar 01 19:31:40 the new kernel Mar 01 19:31:43 SO GOOOOOOD Mar 01 19:31:48 pre- 2.1.0 Mar 01 19:32:18 torchie: is 2.1 very usable overclocked? Mar 01 19:32:20 did you bump the compcache, torchie? Mar 01 19:32:30 I haven't touched compcache Mar 01 19:32:39 * ecates agrees with torchie Mar 01 19:32:56 re-loving my phone again Mar 01 19:33:02 2.1 overclocked, for lack of a better term, HAULS ASS Mar 01 19:33:15 it's absolutely insane Mar 01 19:33:18 I'm running the F105 kernel. I haven't tried any games, so I don't see the "Too Many Cards" probs some are mentioning. Mar 01 19:33:25 especially at 1.005 Mar 01 19:33:25 Good times. Mar 01 19:33:35 I knew I had some major issues running both Twee and inglorious Notes at the same time Mar 01 19:33:35 Gotta go to a work shindig. Back later. Mar 01 19:33:40 Twee is a rabid memory destroyer Mar 01 19:33:44 Notes, only slightly less so Mar 01 19:33:45 I haven't tried any games because I need to track down an active SIM again Mar 01 19:33:54 You should use Spaz, torchie. ;-) Mar 01 19:34:00 maybe. Mar 01 19:34:01 it's annooooying Mar 01 19:34:02 maybe. Mar 01 19:34:05 right now I have Mar 01 19:34:39 koto, facebook, messaging, notes, calendar, email, Done!, jstop, drbattery, pdf view, VBA with link's awakening, screen & lock. Mar 01 19:35:12 so smoooooooooth Mar 01 19:35:16 Well, that settles it, we'll have profile problems with masking versions :S :'( Mar 01 19:36:36 not sure if the phone'll bust nuts when I open a Web browser on 1ghz though Mar 01 19:36:49 it's been finnicky about that Mar 01 19:36:56 NuttyBunny: I think the best way to go rather than the technique used so far will be to modify the client side of the palm web services connection so that we look like a proper WR 2.1 pre+ to the profile services Mar 01 19:37:11 without actually changing the version info on the device itself Mar 01 19:37:36 destinal: Yeah, but that would involve perhaps masking more device info than just the version, including the tokens Mar 01 19:37:53 depends Mar 01 19:38:15 we have much to learn about how all that works before we can really say Mar 01 19:38:37 I think Palm has a database of certain data of the devices that can go to 2.1 Mar 01 19:38:45 perhaps by imei Mar 01 19:38:49 (or ESN) Mar 01 19:39:13 we don't know yet what would happen if those get repeated on the Palm server :) Mar 01 19:39:14 or, it could just be an issue because the client is claiming sprint Mar 01 19:39:28 or maybe that the device record is on sprint Mar 01 19:39:34 (from first activation) Mar 01 19:40:21 or maybe they just check the model number and don't care about first activation (for 2.1) Mar 01 19:41:59 Aren't you able to update a Pre- on O2 Germany to 2.1 without masking? Mar 01 19:42:17 I saw some mention of that somewhere, can't remember where though Mar 01 19:42:26 Good question, I don't remember about it Mar 01 19:43:04 Can someone add to the WebOS_2_Upgrade WIKI instructions? Mar 01 19:43:19 It took me a long time to figure out that I needed to USB connect the phone after WebOS Doctor said to. Mar 01 19:43:38 SineOt: As fare as I know, yes. Im on O2 germany but still on 1.4.5 Mar 01 19:43:40 It kept failing to reset phone. Mar 01 19:44:07 until I figured out not to connect phone number WebOS doctor told me to. Mar 01 19:44:26 scoinva: you can add it, that's the reason it's a Wiki, everyone can edit it Mar 01 19:44:41 If you can update a Pre- to 2.1 without masking, then I'm not sure if they're actively checking model so much as just checking carrier Mar 01 19:45:31 hape_ have you tried installing 2.1 and logging to your profile w/o masking? Mar 01 19:45:31 NuttyBunny: Good point. :) Mar 01 19:46:37 if you -can- do a 2.1 update on a Pre- on O2 without masking and have it work fine then I think you'd really only need to spoof the carrier on profile login to get proper, unmasked, 2.1 Mar 01 19:47:10 hi Mar 01 19:47:36 hi Mar 01 19:47:40 WIDK is kinda broken, or at least some of the packages can't download what they need for a make stage Mar 01 19:51:56 destinal: I might try to test the man in the middle info this afternoon, I really want to know what our devices send... :) Mar 01 19:52:12 brb.. going to lunch :) Mar 01 19:52:38 NuttyBunny: awesome. I want to wiki stuff but I figure we'll probably want to mask a lot of the traces for token security Mar 01 20:09:44 NuttyBunny: not now, but ice8lue had and was able to use it if I'm right. He was the alpha teter for rwhitby Mar 01 20:10:06 hi people Mar 01 20:10:32 NuttyBunny: I will wait to be sure that the apps I need are working. I do not have a spare device for testing and also we need a webOS 1.4.5 device to be sure that Navit is still working there Mar 01 20:18:26 is there a way to search on the web through patches ? Mar 01 20:20:19 I've upgraded to 2.1 but miss some patches, would like to see which patches that was Mar 01 20:26:29 hape_: I think Navit works... I will have to try... however as it stands no sprint nav. Mar 01 20:28:44 is there a way to get client side certificates to work in webos ? Mar 01 20:29:35 someone has asolution for WIDK and this elementary stuff? Mar 01 20:29:51 SimpsonCH: just view the side on your browser Mar 01 20:30:07 doesn't work it seems Mar 01 20:30:36 copied the cert to my phone, and added it to the certificate manager, when I go to the side, its not asking for a certificate Mar 01 20:31:47 Howdy...again. Mar 01 20:32:20 SimpsonCH: going to https:// ? Mar 01 20:33:11 yup Mar 01 20:33:39 but its a webID login ( http://foaf.me ) Mar 01 20:50:12 SimpsonCH: where does it have a certificateß Mar 01 20:50:37 https://foaf.me/ Mar 01 20:50:37 login with my account on the top right Mar 01 20:50:46 gives me the certification error Mar 01 20:51:00 visit this page with your browser and accept the cert Mar 01 20:51:13 on the device, of course Mar 01 20:51:43 no errors here Mar 01 20:51:52 on the device? Mar 01 20:52:00 then it has the cert already accepted Mar 01 20:52:05 it's outdated Mar 01 20:52:16 expired might be the right term Mar 01 20:54:19 I never get anything from a cert Mar 01 20:54:58 [21:29] SimpsonCH: copied the cert to my phone, and added it to the certificate manager, when I go to the side, its not asking for a certificate Mar 01 20:55:17 deleted it ofcourse Mar 01 20:56:14 I get a cert warning here on my Pre2 Mar 01 20:56:28 ah, I'm on pre+ with 2.1 Mar 01 20:58:08 wait Mar 01 20:58:40 same on Pre+ with 2.1 Mar 01 20:59:08 maybe you didn't delete it but rather denied the access... Mar 01 21:00:12 uhm wierd Mar 01 21:00:25 I removed it from the certificate manager Mar 01 21:00:38 I am talking about client side certificate Mar 01 21:00:53 iow i need a certificate on my system to get access to a certain side Mar 01 21:00:55 site Mar 01 21:01:53 a client side certificate? Mar 01 21:02:05 yup Mar 01 21:02:10 used in what? Mar 01 21:02:26 in webiD authentication Mar 01 21:02:29 foaf+ssl Mar 01 21:02:40 hm, ok, no clue, sry Mar 01 21:03:33 it looks like its not supported Mar 01 21:03:37 thats a shame :( Mar 01 21:12:36 can i get a woot woot! Mar 01 21:12:41 and help too..lol Mar 01 21:13:14 anyone here pverlocked sprint pre on webos 2.1? Mar 01 21:13:31 * joeb_ is on AT&T Mar 01 21:14:02 * NuttyBunny has Telcel Pre and AT&T Pre Plus Mar 01 21:14:50 * henry6525 is on LSD Mar 01 21:14:51 ok whoever can help..obviosuly when installing wit meta doctor the version the phone says its 1.45 to fake whatever it is..app catalog is it?...but to install the kernels it says not compatible with webos version....how od i overclock my phone if the device still states its 1.45 Mar 01 21:15:11 * joeb_ thinks data plans are highway robbery Mar 01 21:15:56 hellbinder: read the wiki article for instructions, it talks about unmasking the version # after you login to palm profile Mar 01 21:16:03 you have to copy the 2.1 palm-build-info onto the device Mar 01 21:18:04 man ive read like a bitch..maybe corssed that part..is it int he same wiki where it talks about updating to 2.1 or one specifically for overlocking? Mar 01 21:19:58 ? Mar 01 21:20:37 destinal u got url by any chance?.. Mar 01 21:20:51 hellbinder: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Mar 01 21:21:00 you need step 5 which is after you run the doctor Mar 01 21:22:03 yep thats the page where im at...thx.. i skipped that step cuz it didnt make sense at the time Mar 01 21:22:06 thx for the help Mar 01 21:25:05 hellbinder: no problem Mar 01 21:28:09 hellbinder: please don't skip step 6 either Mar 01 21:28:13 ;) Mar 01 21:28:19 Step 6 is the most important. Mar 01 21:28:47 don't worry,...i wont Mar 01 21:28:58 :p Mar 01 21:30:27 hellbinder: don't forget to re-enable GPS in Location Services app and do Preferences>Locate Me Using>Google so Gmaps will work Mar 01 21:31:02 right now im using a spare phone that i had forgotten in my closet.. Mar 01 21:31:12 jus ttesting things out first before using my real phone. Mar 01 21:31:38 i wen and skipped the first app thingy..so im using dr. skipped whatevre profile. Mar 01 21:32:00 makeing sure it works before i go crazy and maybe losing some profile info. Mar 01 21:33:48 hellbinder- take chances Mar 01 21:33:52 hellbinder- j/k Mar 01 21:36:35 ~seen dumbledore Mar 01 21:36:47 ~help Mar 01 21:36:51 dumbledore <~fudge@ool-18baa037.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 18h 33m 57s ago, saying: ':D'. Mar 01 21:37:20 jajaja i do..i do..but this is a biggie! Mar 01 21:37:32 first time i test on that phone Mar 01 21:40:05 * EdCates renews some SSL certificates for work. Mar 01 21:49:28 Arrgh Mar 01 21:49:36 Standard 2.1 launcher page is horrible! Mar 01 21:49:40 what were they thinking >.< Mar 01 21:49:43 I hate having to scroll down Mar 01 21:50:05 you mean... just like the standard 1.4.5 launcher page? XD Mar 01 21:50:06 so add pages, and scroll left and right Mar 01 21:50:33 SineOt: I can fit more icons on a patched 1.4.5 launcher page :P Mar 01 21:50:54 djwhitey: Also I don't like having pages that serve the same purpose...IE 2 games pages etc Mar 01 21:50:56 hm yes patched versus unpatched P: Mar 01 21:50:56 :P Mar 01 21:50:57 yo Mar 01 21:51:14 what's up? Mar 01 21:51:51 what is patched/unpatched? Mar 01 21:52:16 I'm lost :p Mar 01 21:52:32 was talking about patched launcher page on 1.4.5 vs unpatched 2.1 launcher page Mar 01 21:52:56 ahh I like the 2.x launcher better Mar 01 21:53:02 Whaaaa? Mar 01 21:53:04 They're too big! Mar 01 21:53:15 no they aren't Mar 01 21:53:30 I don't like to scroll down Mar 01 21:53:31 Boopop: easy solution to not having 2 game pages? Mar 01 21:53:34 don't have as many games :T Mar 01 21:53:38 :P Mar 01 21:53:46 Nor do I like a bajillion pages Mar 01 21:53:48 and don't be like PatrickC lol Mar 01 21:53:51 I'm pucky like that! Mar 01 21:53:54 picky* Mar 01 21:54:01 yea! and don't have 300 apps :p Mar 01 21:54:16 pffffft Mar 01 21:54:18 xD Mar 01 21:54:23 yea Mar 01 21:54:29 300 is nothin! lol Mar 01 21:56:08 6 cards Mar 01 21:56:09 hmmm Mar 01 21:56:24 pfft .. easy way to fix it .. install all your apps and use just type to find it .. you will never see the launcher pages :D Mar 01 21:56:24 what bout them? Mar 01 21:56:37 Fair point joeb_ ! Mar 01 21:56:54 that's what I do (except for wIRC/P|C) Mar 01 21:57:08 I do like how lovely a good wallpaper can look on the pre screen :) Mar 01 21:57:15 yep Mar 01 21:57:26 I got a shot of earth from the moon as my wallpaper atm Mar 01 21:57:28 tis epic Mar 01 21:57:49 On the lock screen you can only see the earth, then you unlock it and you can see the moon's surface at the bottom Mar 01 21:57:51 which is amusing xD Mar 01 21:58:11 awesome! Mar 01 21:58:14 wanna share? Mar 01 21:58:15 lol Mar 01 21:58:37 Got it from the "Fantastic Wallpaper" app Mar 01 21:58:46 I searched for Space Mar 01 21:58:46 wanna share? lol Mar 01 21:59:00 moon earth would probably be better search term Mar 01 21:59:04 don't have it Mar 01 21:59:23 the app I mean Mar 01 21:59:53 bah fine xD Mar 01 22:00:03 Making me go behind my desk, unplug my touchstone Mar 01 22:00:06 how dare you! :P Mar 01 22:00:15 I'm downloading app now :p Mar 01 22:00:19 lol Mar 01 22:00:24 bah xD Mar 01 22:00:45 can you not upload to photobucket? lol Mar 01 22:00:47 or SSH? Mar 01 22:00:49 :p Mar 01 22:02:05 I just got an awesome one Mar 01 22:02:33 its amazing! Mar 01 22:03:17 found it? Mar 01 22:03:21 it's a nice app anyway Mar 01 22:03:26 another one Mar 01 22:03:31 I tried to find something to upload it to Mar 01 22:03:48 imageshack was being lame and I don't know my photobucket details Mar 01 22:03:51 if I have any at all Mar 01 22:03:51 its called email :) Mar 01 22:03:52 woops Mar 01 22:04:05 Go on then Mar 01 22:04:06 lol Mar 01 22:04:07 email pls Mar 01 22:04:22 patrickappcreator@gmail.com Mar 01 22:04:22 pm or whatever Mar 01 22:04:37 ^ Mar 01 22:04:58 Sent Mar 01 22:04:58 lol Mar 01 22:05:02 ok Mar 01 22:05:07 I have some awesome ones Mar 01 22:05:17 wish I could select multiple ones to email... Mar 01 22:05:29 I just use fantastic wallpapers for the most part Mar 01 22:05:32 there *should* be a patch for that Mar 01 22:05:36 seems to have plenty of pleasing photos :) Mar 01 22:05:52 ... Mar 01 22:06:06 what? xD Mar 01 22:06:06 lol Mar 01 22:06:18 nevermind lol Mar 01 22:06:37 the way you worded it..... :p Mar 01 22:06:54 Crazy kids xD Mar 01 22:07:03 Mind I'm only 20 Mar 01 22:07:09 how old are you PatrickC ? Mar 01 22:07:18 a typical 15 yr old mind :p Mar 01 22:07:23 Pfffft Mar 01 22:07:26 back when I was your age Mar 01 22:07:34 I had an Athlon 64 3000+ Mar 01 22:07:35 I am really baffled...I appear to have a device that somehow results in a 9.9.9 profile when signing in, even with the masquerade in place. Mar 01 22:07:44 and no smartphone Mar 01 22:07:52 WE HAD TO MAKE DO IN 2006 Mar 01 22:07:52 I have 2 smart phones :) Mar 01 22:08:00 xD Mar 01 22:08:05 will probably have 3 soon Mar 01 22:08:17 You hope :P Mar 01 22:08:23 technically I have 2 smartphones Mar 01 22:08:24 The term smartphone didn't even exist in 2006. They were "PDA phones" Mar 01 22:08:27 if I get an email...... Mar 01 22:08:30 the other being a HTC Himalaya Mar 01 22:08:35 they were Palm's Mar 01 22:08:38 :) Mar 01 22:08:46 Treo! FTW Mar 01 22:08:48 HTC Himalaya is ancient though Mar 01 22:08:56 runs Windows Mobile 6.5 Mar 01 22:08:58 SNORE! Mar 01 22:08:59 Treo FTW! Mar 01 22:09:14 saw someone with what I assume was a Treo towards the end of last year Mar 01 22:09:22 was certainly an old Palm phone Mar 01 22:09:35 my old youth pastor had like 3 Treo's Mar 01 22:09:43 I have 2 Palm Pilotes Mar 01 22:10:06 man Mar 01 22:10:14 no GT500KR wallpapers Mar 01 22:10:35 Charlie Brooker just said on the show I'm watching "Jesus even Apple computers aren't this snooty" Mar 01 22:10:37 I lol'd Mar 01 22:11:01 what show? Mar 01 22:11:16 "How TV ruined Your Life" Mar 01 22:11:18 On BBC 2 Mar 01 22:11:24 BBC ftw :P Mar 01 22:11:25 never heard of it Mar 01 22:11:49 did it work? Mar 01 22:11:51 man Mar 01 22:12:02 i believe i upgraded...but info says 1.4.5 still...is this typical? Mar 01 22:12:39 bbl Mar 01 22:12:45 school is callin me Mar 01 22:14:13 I'm likin this app Mar 01 22:14:14 thx Mar 01 22:15:26 dtzWill: yay at vba update Mar 01 22:15:36 underwater, yes, until you do the unmasq procedure, device info will show 1.4.5 Mar 01 22:15:48 dtzWill: seems to run great on my pre2 Mar 01 22:15:51 Tibfib: :D Mar 01 22:15:55 great to hear :D Mar 01 22:16:02 160% on one game :) Mar 01 22:16:33 I need a wallpaper switching app for free :/ Mar 01 22:16:39 now it's 100%. was just barely unplayable on my pre- overclocked Mar 01 22:17:22 hi, I'm having a bit of trouble getting the new verizon script working Mar 01 22:17:52 I had previously had the original one working fine Mar 01 22:18:08 Tibfib: should scale down to 100% appropriately... Mar 01 22:18:19 the doctor gets to like, 82% then I get an error message Mar 01 22:18:30 I've done it multiple times, what am I doing wrong? Mar 01 22:18:32 dtzWill: I just ran it for a few seconds this morning Mar 01 22:18:37 if it conks at 82% it's a MD5 mismatch Mar 01 22:18:46 just reboot the phone and if it loads fine, you're good to go Mar 01 22:18:50 dtzWill: working perfect now Mar 01 22:19:03 happens when files are patched/changed from what the doctor expects so the verification pass fails Mar 01 22:19:05 oh yeah, kk. :D Mar 01 22:19:10 glad it's working Mar 01 22:19:15 Tibfib: thanks for the report :D Mar 01 22:19:15 dtzWill: anyone working on a ps1 emu? :) Mar 01 22:19:19 (at least that's what was happening with me! if in doubt you can check the logs) Mar 01 22:20:33 Error getting list of images :'( Mar 01 22:20:55 SineOT: I've rebooted the phone, I get the same results Mar 01 22:21:07 reboot and don't doctor again :p Mar 01 22:21:16 reboot and let it load up, chances are it'll run fine Mar 01 22:21:20 oh Mar 01 22:21:21 okay Mar 01 22:21:23 thanks! Mar 01 22:21:39 * halfhalo is totally not making a custom Pre2 DeviceStage Mar 01 22:21:51 I think most of the flashing and work is done by like... 60%? Or something like that, not sure on the exact details Mar 01 22:22:10 I have the arrow on chip image, it's not turning off...pull the battery? Mar 01 22:22:38 hold power and wiggle the mute toggle a few times Mar 01 22:23:31 It's up in the 70s, SineOt. Mar 01 22:23:47 thanks Mar 01 22:23:56 ...when it's done flashing, I mean. Mar 01 22:24:05 ah Mar 01 22:24:20 The md5sum mismatches seem to crap out at around 82%, when its validating the ROM. Mar 01 22:24:23 I know that 82% is the file check pass, so it had to be somewhere before 82% :p Mar 01 22:24:29 Yes. :-) Mar 01 22:25:07 ok, I'm getting the Webos internals penguin, I assume that's a good thing Mar 01 22:25:24 thomas_ yes it is :P Mar 01 22:25:29 grand Mar 01 22:25:42 well, thank you so much for all of your help! expect a donation soon Mar 01 22:25:44 Yes. Tux is your friend. Embrace the Penguin. Mar 01 22:26:10 what about Tux? Mar 01 22:26:20 Tux the penguin. Mar 01 22:26:31 The Linux mascot, used in the webOS Internals logo. Mar 01 22:26:32 what about him? Mar 01 22:26:54 He's the initial boot image for the meta-scripted 2.1 installs. Mar 01 22:26:58 Hexley > Tux :T Mar 01 22:27:24 ahh the easter egg? Mar 01 22:27:28 Hexley's name is a typo. ;-) Mar 01 22:27:48 Type or not...~ Mar 01 22:28:53 er, typo even P: Mar 01 22:28:59 I'm just giving you grief, and I shouldn't. I'm a big fan of Platypoids, myself. Mar 01 22:29:55 unmasq requires putting the palm-build-info unmasqed back in the phone? Mar 01 22:30:19 Yes. You want to take the meta-doctor/palm-build-info-unmasqed file ON YOUR COMPUTER... Mar 01 22:30:20 So, I've given up on getting an existing profile to work...going to try creating a new profile on a freshly metadoctored device. If that gives 9.9.9 then there must be something about the device (MEID?) that is causing the problem. Mar 01 22:30:22 it requires replacing the /etc/palm-build-info with the palm-build-info-unmasqed file Mar 01 22:30:33 ...and put it in /etc/palm-build-info ON YOUR PHONE. Mar 01 22:30:48 Don't mean to shout, but that step is turning out to be a showstopper for a lot of folks. Mar 01 22:30:51 And, given Hexley lacks heel spurs... Hexley may be one of the only female mascots for an open source project out there. :p Mar 01 22:31:06 Point, SineOt. Mar 01 22:31:30 EdCates: thanks for that :) Mar 01 22:31:39 is the dev for Switcharoo here? Mar 01 22:32:13 Jack87|Away: Navit can ony partly win a cometition against a professional Navi soft. It depands on you point of view Mar 01 22:33:00 Gotta motor, folks. Might be back later. Need to do more meta-scriptery this evening. Have a good one! Mar 01 22:34:07 and preware still works? Mar 01 22:36:04 boopop: I never got that email... Mar 01 22:36:18 just lettin you know ;) Mar 01 22:36:19 Really? oh... Mar 01 22:36:22 Promise I sent it Mar 01 22:36:25 I shall investigate Mar 01 22:36:28 I'll check spam.. Mar 01 22:36:34 gmail has been acting up Mar 01 22:36:36 Well it was from hotmail :P Mar 01 22:36:44 I believe you :p Mar 01 22:37:09 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3936543/003.jpg Mar 01 22:37:12 There you go Mar 01 22:37:15 public dropbox link Mar 01 22:37:16 I didn't get it Mar 01 22:37:17 ;) Mar 01 22:37:18 ok Mar 01 22:37:41 im gonna stick with my Mustang :) Mar 01 22:37:50 pffft cars Mar 01 22:37:56 yep Mar 01 22:38:00 I once had an apache gunship for a wallpaper Mar 01 22:38:03 what was I thinking?! Mar 01 22:38:11 I'm a regular southern 15 yr old boy :p Mar 01 22:38:16 It's like the most ugly aircraft EVER Mar 01 22:38:20 you had your head on straight Mar 01 22:38:31 when you had that wallpaper Mar 01 22:38:39 you were smart :) Mar 01 22:38:42 XD Mar 01 22:38:44 * halfhalo dunnos what he uses as wallpaper Mar 01 22:38:54 I've always felt awkward with wallpapers or posters of women Mar 01 22:38:55 seems odd Mar 01 22:39:03 do wallpapers of guys? :P Mar 01 22:39:11 Even moreso...shh :P Mar 01 22:39:17 lol Mar 01 22:39:23 I never had that problem Mar 01 22:39:33 Hey I'm going on a date with a girl tomorrow Mar 01 22:39:39 so :P Mar 01 22:39:50 There's this thing called a "beard..." Mar 01 22:40:28 what do beards have to do with this? lol Mar 01 22:41:34 * halfhalo shakes his head and walks away Mar 01 22:41:44 beard (n): slang, 'girlfriend' or 'wife' to keep people from going "oh he's gay," see "Tom Cruise" Mar 01 22:42:23 oh.. lol Mar 01 22:42:58 you need to get out more PatrickC-school :p Mar 01 22:43:44 I don't have a girlfriend (yet) lol Mar 01 22:46:07 that's my beard Mar 01 22:46:15 that's how its used? Mar 01 22:46:25 basically yeah Mar 01 22:48:52 my current background Mar 01 22:48:53 http://s1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/?action=view¤t=5.jpg Mar 01 22:49:24 i'm so happy Mar 01 22:49:35 what's with the bar at the top? Mar 01 22:49:44 bar? Mar 01 22:50:25 looks like there was maybe some kind of text at the top there Mar 01 22:50:30 The semitransparent black bar that runs across the top of the image from about 12px down to ~80 Mar 01 22:50:33 photoshopped out Mar 01 22:50:39 not sure Mar 01 22:50:46 got it from an app Mar 01 22:50:50 if'n you're gonna drop the text, drop the bar too :C Mar 01 22:51:05 not me :p Mar 01 22:51:27 damn...i love this phone... :) Mar 01 22:51:33 * rwhitby reminds folks that this channel has a topic, and we prefer that folks stick to it. Mar 01 22:51:34 wish it were bigger though Mar 01 22:52:05 bbl Mar 01 22:52:09 school time Mar 01 22:52:19 if you want to talk about random phones or random wallpapers or anything else that is not related to the internals of the operating system running on webOS phones, please do so elsewhere. Mar 01 22:53:02 is the usb drive accessible through novacom? i don't see anything in df Mar 01 22:53:34 the USB drive is mounted to /media/internal Mar 01 22:53:49 SineOt: thanks Mar 01 22:54:28 is vi the preferred (only) editor? Mar 01 22:54:46 I think it's the only editor Mar 01 22:55:24 nano via optware Mar 01 22:56:19 there are quite a few editors in optware, installable via ipkg-opt, including emacs2 Mar 01 22:56:22 emacs22 Mar 01 22:56:46 ah! optware != preware? Mar 01 22:56:50 * SineOt just cp's stuff to the USB drive, edits in TextWrangler, then cp's it back afterwards... Is lazy. Mar 01 23:02:32 undrwater: optware can be installed via preware Mar 01 23:02:55 optware? lol Mar 01 23:08:10 bbl I'm not getting any school done with being on IRC :p Mar 01 23:09:01 Yup...confirmed. With a fresh meta-doctor and masquerade still in place, even creating a new profile on this device results in a 9.9.9 profile. Mar 01 23:09:17 Weird. Mar 01 23:09:48 my only guess is that your tokens are, for lack of a better term, fucked Mar 01 23:10:45 Yep Mar 01 23:11:22 gonna install show properties and check them against the originals Mar 01 23:12:56 awww..... pre2 doesnt like 1.4GHz Mar 01 23:14:07 if it's doing 9.9.9 even with masking enabled, I can only assume that it's posing either as a device that doesn't exist or a device that can't run 1.4.5 like a Telcel Pre Mar 01 23:17:15 it's a verizon pre+ with a sprint modem in it Mar 01 23:17:42 I'm pretty sure that's worked fine in the past for other people Mar 01 23:18:56 woah.... 1.4giggawatts of power in mah hand Mar 01 23:19:46 ffff. I've lost the ability to click, :T Mar 01 23:21:09 SineOt: Yeah, I agree that some of the tokens must not have been correct when I overwrote them. That's the only thing I can think of Mar 01 23:31:21 they appear to be correct, except for the one of the battery ones, which would explain why it's not charging except when shut down Mar 01 23:33:35 but I doubt that's causing the profile issue Mar 01 23:43:17 excuse me!...lol.. jus installed 2.1 on my real phone ( i did it succesfuly on old one skipping activation part).. Mar 01 23:43:36 when i try to activate it states data not restored and i cant do much about it...anyone had this problem? Mar 01 23:43:49 i keep trying to log in and just tells me that and to try again later Mar 01 23:44:02 you need to delete the backups of your Palm Profile from the Palm servers while on 1.4.5 Mar 01 23:44:12 navit does not seem to be using gps...get a similar error to this: http://webos.pastebin.com/auLXf9dM Mar 01 23:44:15 on line 5 Mar 01 23:44:42 Enter the Backups app, and turn it off, and confirm that you want to delete the backups. It will remove any calendar, memo, contacts, etc from your Palm Profile, but will leave App Purchases intact. Mar 01 23:45:17 ok so i go back to 1.4.5 and do it? Mar 01 23:45:32 When logging in on 2.1, your device masquerades as a 1.4.5 device... And 1.4.5 and 2.1 don't share the same backup structures, and the server is not converting them to 2.1 style because it sees it as a 1.4.5 device Mar 01 23:45:32 yes Mar 01 23:45:42 then you can doctor back to 2.1 and it should log in just fine Mar 01 23:46:06 yeah that makes sense...i remember the whole 1.4.5 and 2.1 being very different in the backend Mar 01 23:46:11 ok..brb!,..lets do this! Mar 01 23:46:15 google maps uses gps just fine Mar 01 23:46:20 thx so much Mar 01 23:46:31 no problem hellbinder, hope it goes well for you! Mar 01 23:52:46 the latest metadoctor throws an error when I try to use make unpack Mar 01 23:53:03 says there isn't a valid doctor in the downloads directory Mar 01 23:53:07 (there is) Mar 01 23:54:26 hmm...maybe make -k stage just to see what would happen wasn't the best idea Mar 01 23:54:27 hellbinder: yep. that's also on the Wiki page :/ Mar 01 23:57:18 ehh...i'll just use one of the scripts and edit castle.xml after it's done Mar 02 00:16:02 evening everyone Mar 02 00:17:54 I need a little bit of help with upgrading my vzw pre+. I'm running ubuntu natively and I've run the new meta script. When I run the doctor it never sees that I've connected my pre for the upgrade. Dev mode is on and I held the volume up when I plugged it in. Mar 02 00:18:20 I don't think I've missed anything, but I can't figure out what the problem is. Mar 02 00:18:43 you have to be holding volume up with the device off when you plug it in Mar 02 00:18:49 display will show a large USB logo Mar 02 00:18:58 That's what's showing right now. Mar 02 00:19:57 Sanglant: novacomd running? Mar 02 00:20:16 undrwater: how do I check that? Mar 02 00:20:25 oh...doctor..not sure if that's necessary Mar 02 00:20:35 try novacomd & in a terminal Mar 02 00:20:39 sudo novacomd Mar 02 00:20:45 & Mar 02 00:20:48 :P Mar 02 00:21:22 I get a not found error. I know I ran the install per the metadoctor page. Mar 02 00:23:03 david@david-G50V:~$ novacomd & [1] 28168 david@david-G50V:~$ novacomd: command not found Mar 02 00:23:44 you installed the sd? Mar 02 00:23:47 sdk? Mar 02 00:24:50 maybe sudo start palm-novacom Mar 02 00:25:11 i'm using gentoo...so could look different Mar 02 00:25:53 It doesn't recognize that command either Mar 02 00:27:28 did you install the sdk? Mar 02 00:28:30 install sdk Mar 02 00:28:39 I've install the sdk and the novacom Mar 02 00:28:49 novaterm ? Mar 02 00:29:19 no novaterm Mar 02 00:30:27 get a list of files for the sdk...novacomd should be in that list...maybe not in your path Mar 02 00:32:02 i found ine Mar 02 00:32:17 Pre_Metadoctor/meta-doctor/build/preplus-p101ueude-wr-2.1.0/com/palm Mar 02 00:32:20 try there Mar 02 00:32:47 aw nvm i jumped the gun Mar 02 00:32:51 its a directory Mar 02 00:33:27 What do I do when I get to the folder? Mar 02 00:33:40 Sanglant- are you on ubuntu ? Mar 02 00:34:00 yes Mar 02 00:34:03 if your on ubuntu http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/198627-novacom-linux.html Mar 02 00:34:15 second post Mar 02 00:34:37 i don't have novacom cause i don't have sdk installed Mar 02 00:35:35 That's an old link. I have a newer version already Mar 02 00:36:03 should work Sanglant Mar 02 00:36:19 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/209396-novacom-ubuntu-9-10-a.html Mar 02 00:36:37 I have it installed already Mar 02 00:37:30 where was it ? Mar 02 00:38:23 I followed the link on the metadoctor page. Mar 02 00:43:02 sweet I'm getting a USB port crack. Mar 02 00:43:46 I had to kill the novacomd process and restart it with sudo Mar 02 00:44:33 I just got the phone not compatible with this version of doctor error Mar 02 00:44:36 wtf Mar 02 00:45:12 Should I be using the preplus or the meta verizon doctor? Mar 02 00:49:29 Ok, I ran the webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar from the meta-verizon-preplus folder and it's installing now. Thanks for all your help guys. Mar 02 00:53:08 Hi everyone Mar 02 00:53:48 Hello. How can I 'fix' the First Use app from a 1.4.5 pixi emulator session so I can install Advanced Configuration for App Launcher? Mar 02 00:53:53 * NuttyBunny is pleased to see that his more than 2 year old netbook can drive 1600x1200 just fine with compiz enabled on Ubuntu 10.10 :D Mar 02 00:54:29 open video drivers have come a loooong way in linux in the last year Mar 02 00:54:43 ^ Mar 02 00:54:52 And Intel did a great thing with said drivers :D Mar 02 00:55:05 a bunch of long term projects finally came into place Mar 02 00:55:13 nVidia comes in a close second, and ATi in third Mar 02 00:55:21 intel and ati/amd open drivers are amazing Mar 02 00:55:32 the other vendors... well, they just suck Mar 02 00:55:35 is there a list of available patches available for 2.1 Mar 02 00:55:48 nvidia ones are not open at all, but they've always worked well Mar 02 00:56:03 I had to install a nvidia driver to my desktop machine because the Chrome9 driver were just garbage :( Mar 02 00:56:14 s/were/was/ Mar 02 00:56:14 NuttyBunny meant: I had to install a nvidia driver to my desktop machine because the Chrome9 driver was just garbage :( Mar 02 00:57:28 I'm not sure what chrome9 has to do with nvidia? Mar 02 00:57:52 I can't get unbuntu to install to my netbook. Mar 02 00:58:21 why is that? I hope it's not because it doesn't have cd :) Mar 02 00:58:41 debian always installs ;) Mar 02 00:58:58 I have an external cd drive and I've tried with usb. It always hangs after setting up the install location. Mar 02 00:58:59 I had an old laptop that nothing else would install on Mar 02 00:59:43 Sanglant: mmm... try creating a usb stick to boot from there Mar 02 01:00:38 whee...webos 2.1 here we come! Mar 02 01:00:51 I've tried that. Mar 02 01:01:17 what model of netbook is that?? Mar 02 01:01:49 Asus 1008ha Mar 02 01:02:31 my 2.1 install is at 64%. I'm getting really excited now. Mar 02 01:02:57 *sigh* I'm so lame. I'm sitting here *at* my computer. Reading a few sites and facebooking from my Pre... Mar 02 01:03:10 lol Mar 02 01:03:26 I've caught myself doing that from time to time. Mar 02 01:03:29 might as well load up wirc, plug in to a charger and just shut this thing off... Mar 02 01:03:42 facebook on the pre is just amazing like that Mar 02 01:04:03 I can't even remember my facebook password it's been that long since I logged in from a PC Mar 02 01:04:10 phil_bw: It's more confortable from the computer, but the Pre... is just excellent :D Mar 02 01:05:02 indeed Mar 02 01:05:08 ever since I changed my passwords to a phrase with a shortened version of the domain name in the middle I've not had that problem Mar 02 01:06:00 ...and it's time to leave again. Guess it's back to the Pre for me... Mar 02 01:06:02 * phil_bw wanders off Mar 02 01:06:09 mine is a variant of a key on spanish keyboards :) hehehe Mar 02 01:06:33 brb, gotta get my dog for a final walk this day Mar 02 01:06:55 My doctor got to like 84% and then said it failed, but I'm seeing the penguin holding the pre. I hope that's a good sign. Mar 02 01:07:17 you have a vzw pp? Mar 02 01:07:22 yeah Mar 02 01:07:50 what script did you use? Mar 02 01:07:50 Mar 1, 2011 8:04:17 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController runnerFinished WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card Mar 02 01:08:18 The one in the meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 directory Mar 02 01:08:34 I see the HP logo glowing now. Mar 02 01:08:36 why don't you try with the "new" ones? Mar 02 01:08:52 delete your meta-doctor directory and do a new git pull Mar 02 01:08:56 I used the new-meta-verizon-preplus one Mar 02 01:09:00 now I'm really gone :) Mar 02 01:09:01 I ran the "new" meta doctor to set it up Mar 02 01:09:24 I gave the build directory that I ran the jar from. Mar 02 01:09:27 of course I'm only at 64% Mar 02 01:09:57 The meat script failed because I had to restart the novacomd service. Mar 02 01:13:19 logging into my account now! YAY!!! Mar 02 01:17:04 Did I read right earlier that there was an UberKernel available for 2.1? Mar 02 01:19:40 well that didn't look good Mar 02 01:19:43 but there's tux Mar 02 01:20:12 Sanglant: what file failed verification? Mar 02 01:21:26 FWIW edit the appinfo.json "visible": "false" Mar 02 01:21:38 Mar 1, 2011 8:04:17 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController runnerFinished WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card Mar 02 01:21:59 The upgrade worked though. Mar 02 01:22:11 Sanglant: before that message, it will say which file failed verification Mar 02 01:22:21 Sanglant: I need that information to diagnose Mar 02 01:22:52 Mar 1, 2011 8:04:16 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController handleFailCase INFO: exiting handleFailCase() err -1 "Base ROM Failed Verification" at com.palm.nova.installer.core.stages.VerifyRomStage.printStreamToProgressReporter(VerifyRomStage.java:83) at com.palm.nova.installer.core.stages.VerifyRomStage.printStreamToProgressReporter(VerifyRomStage.java:69) at com.palm.nova.installer.core.stages.VerifyRomS Mar 02 01:22:52 I had a failure as well...let me pastebin Mar 02 01:23:16 Sanglant: keep going back until it mentions an actual filename Mar 02 01:24:07 INFO: ROM Verifyer: /usr/sbin/integcheck IPKG VERIFICATION FAILED, CODE 1 Mar 02 01:24:09 Sanglant: alternatively, use http://webos.pastebin.com/ to paste the whole log Mar 02 01:24:20 http://pastebin.com/VU9F9uhp Mar 02 01:24:36 Sanglant: that is the program which does the check. which file is is saying failed the check Mar 02 01:24:36 Where does it store the whole log at on ubuntu? Mar 02 01:24:59 the line I want will look something like: INFO: ROM Verifyer: ./etc/palm/palm-customization-info: FAILED Mar 02 01:25:40 Loudergood: what script is that the output from? Mar 02 01:25:54 i wish we could multiboot 1.4.5 and 2.1... Mar 02 01:26:04 the meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 02 01:26:38 rwhitby: I used new-meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 02 01:26:58 Dumbledore_: hmm, a multi-init system would be pretty easy if 1.4.5 will work under the 2.1.0 kernel. true multi-boot would be harder Mar 02 01:26:59 That's the original script I ran too. Mar 02 01:27:12 ah, there are two palmcustomizationinfo packages in that script. that's bad. Mar 02 01:29:45 http://webos.pastebin.com/8DTC0w4D Mar 02 01:38:47 mmm.. just applied 160Mb worth of updates, That's the reason I felt the netbook slow.. it was applying them :) .. reboot time :) Mar 02 01:42:13 Is UberKernel available for 2.1 now? Mar 02 01:45:00 Sanglant: do you follow @webosinternals on Twitter, or the PreCentral front page? Mar 02 01:45:08 I dunno, but 1.4 on Pre is nice Mar 02 01:45:20 @rwhitby yes Mar 02 01:45:44 kernel source is released already? Mar 02 01:46:06 I thought I had seen that earlier Mar 02 01:49:16 all questions answered already by @webosinternals ... Mar 02 01:50:28 maybe there should be a paid app that just displays those tweets Mar 02 01:53:25 * halfhalo debates setting twitter up on devdevices Mar 02 01:59:44 how reliable is the 2.1 metadoctor process for sprint pres ? Mar 02 02:00:07 I hear that the PRL stuff is still not working and I was wondering if I should wait for that to be fixed before trying it ? Mar 02 02:01:30 My app catalog apps don't seem to be downloading... Mar 02 02:02:29 bhuey: the process is pretty reliable afaik, i used it personally. I too had problems updating the PRL and network pref's Mar 02 02:03:39 Sanglant: Go to accounts, what name does appear in your Palm Profile? You may be having the same problem as I did in the morning Mar 02 02:03:40 to me, updating PRL and network prefrences really matter as long as you're getting service... Mar 02 02:04:52 NuttyBunny: There's nothing listed there. Mar 02 02:04:54 ... And those PoderPDA guys, now they ask "I don't understand why can't someone upload the flash ipk for us to download instead of having to create the ipk ourselves"... argh... pisses me off Mar 02 02:05:37 Sanglant: You should have your Palm Profile account at least, from where will your Pre download the apps then? :S Mar 02 02:07:09 NuttyBunny: Account name jsut says Palm Profile. Mar 02 02:09:47 mmm... in my account listing appears "Palm Profile" and my name underneath. If I tap it I get "Palm Profile" in the name. Mar 02 02:09:57 the important is the name in the listing Mar 02 02:10:20 I just want to be sure that you don't have a blank name or Dr Skipped Firstuse Mar 02 02:10:39 it says dr skipped firstuse Mar 02 02:11:01 that's the reason you don't get your apps Mar 02 02:11:13 there's residual info in your profile Mar 02 02:11:21 What do I have to do? Mar 02 02:11:55 rwhitby: When we have 1.4.5 version on our profiles and doctor/full erase the phone, we get dr skipped firstuse :( Mar 02 02:12:06 You have to go to the backup application and disable backup Mar 02 02:12:18 (deleting your personal information on the palm servers) Mar 02 02:12:19 I did that before I doctored the phone. Mar 02 02:12:44 mmm... and you didn't skip the first use app? Mar 02 02:14:06 nope Mar 02 02:15:24 I assume you didn't use the --wifi-only option for the script Mar 02 02:15:33 no i didnt Mar 02 02:16:40 odd Mar 02 02:16:49 I used the same script..no such problem Mar 02 02:17:51 yeah, very weird.... I had the same problem, and it wasn't until I deleted the info disabling the backups that I got my real profile Mar 02 02:17:51 my apps Mar 02 02:19:42 How do I check my profile online? Mar 02 02:19:48 I can't remember the link. Mar 02 02:19:57 www.palm.com/profile Mar 02 02:19:58 :) Mar 02 02:20:02 palm.com/profile Mar 02 02:20:12 ack, beat me too it... :p Mar 02 02:20:44 nice to have a big screen, it keeps xchat below the browser and I can still see what's happening :) Mar 02 02:20:55 my os is still showing 1.4.5 Mar 02 02:21:30 yep, that's fine, as long as it doesn't show 9.9.9 you can see paid apps and everything. Mar 02 02:21:49 I would try once more, device info - reset options - erase apps and data Mar 02 02:21:49 ok, but why is it showing the dr skipped name? Mar 02 02:22:07 I'd delete the info first, in the backup app Mar 02 02:22:16 then erase apps and data Mar 02 02:22:22 and try to login again to the profile Mar 02 02:22:50 because that's the only info we have on how to recover that :S Mar 02 02:23:24 ok, it's rebooting now. Mar 02 02:24:12 NuttyBunny: yep, the wiki clearly says you need to remasq if you do a full erase and try to log in again. Mar 02 02:24:56 rwhitby: damn, yes Rod. sorry, I missed that :S and I did it in my case... Mar 02 02:25:08 well, it's not lost... Mar 02 02:25:56 Sanglant, you'll need to enter developer mode and remasq (put the 1.4.5 palm-build-info on your device) Mar 02 02:26:14 ok Mar 02 02:26:52 And once you do that, erase apps and data again (it's the easy way to login back to the profile) Mar 02 02:28:13 or just meta-doctor again (which is easier still) Mar 02 02:28:20 (like the wiki page says) Mar 02 02:30:04 I don't like to redoctor that much :) but yes, that's the easiest and error free way to do it Mar 02 02:31:15 * NuttyBunny rebuilds his build environment on the netbook to play with a meta-flash script ;) Mar 02 02:31:46 hey, NuttyBunny... With Flash, have you noticed that it has a weird border around flash content? Mar 02 02:32:23 mmm... yes, I've seen it, but It doesn't bother me that much Mar 02 02:33:04 I'm mostly just wondering where it comes from. It seems to be improperly applying an image as a border. Mar 02 02:34:20 I don't know if that's the way it works also on the Pre 2 Mar 02 02:35:15 I'd imagine it's not, because it's pretty ugly. Given that it bunches at the edges weird I think it's an image getting applied improperly as a border-image Mar 02 02:36:22 sound logical, but maybe it's there to show it's a flash applet ;) Mar 02 02:36:48 well, I know that :p Mar 02 02:37:01 but I think it's supposed to be a proper drop shadow Mar 02 02:37:12 not... kind of funny colored on the sides with boxes at the corners Mar 02 02:40:17 Do I do the remask the same way you start the doctor? Mar 02 02:41:31 nevermind, it's seeing my profile right now. Mar 02 02:53:06 hi all I'm back - my connection is slow - timed out on me.. Mar 02 02:54:28 i have a pre plus, gf had a pre plus - she ran over it - I'm VIP Verizon - I'm on my 4th Pre Plus - just got it fed-ex'd to me today - I want to send her run-over one - the new one they sent me was a refurb anyway... and I'll use the one I have now for wifi etc Mar 02 02:54:44 hmmph Mar 02 02:54:57 any advice? - think it'll work - since they are pretty much tossing pre's that are defective Mar 02 02:54:58 on the orig pre, like a rock. Mar 02 02:56:02 oc80z - i tend to "break" phone's easily and since i'm VIP and friends with most of the team at my local Vzw store - i can get replacements easily Mar 02 02:59:01 tell verizon their LTE is fast to the monthly cap of 10GB Mar 02 02:59:08 (which takes about 2 hours to hit) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 02 02:59:57 2011