**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 03 02:59:57 2011 Mar 03 03:05:28 djwhitey: does a 9.9.9 error imply that something is wrong with my tokens> Mar 03 03:05:29 > Mar 03 03:08:24 no that means it told palm a weird version so it was like "idk what this is, so ill call it 999" Mar 03 03:09:22 oil: so if I doctor with a vanilla doctor and secure erase would that put me back into a "known" state? Mar 03 03:09:32 idk Mar 03 03:09:42 i thought the only was was to go back before 145 then ota update? Mar 03 03:09:47 i could be totally wrong though Mar 03 03:09:49 I'll try that now then if not I'll overwrite my tokens. Mar 03 03:09:52 im not up on the latest stuff there Mar 03 03:10:11 been at this for a few hours already. Urghh Mar 03 03:10:38 :/ Mar 03 03:38:54 lol Mar 03 03:39:35 so... it looks to me like the pre2 will work with tmobile 3g... which makes me happy since its like 40 for voice+data Mar 03 03:40:55 damn...I'm jealous Mar 03 03:41:10 its no contract as well Mar 03 03:41:14 too bad there's no tmo coverage withing about 200 miles of me Mar 03 03:41:35 sp/withing/within Mar 03 03:42:15 you sure? pre2 support 1700? Mar 03 03:42:27 Maybe Mar 03 03:42:38 I thought they were calling it world-ready Mar 03 03:42:45 i was looking earlier and its all sorts of annoying to get everything straight Mar 03 03:42:49 rather than AT&T Mar 03 03:42:53 that doesn't mean T-Mo Mar 03 03:43:12 tmo uses 2100 iirc Mar 03 03:43:38 hmm..looks like their coverage has improved some Mar 03 03:44:03 still a long way from me though Mar 03 03:44:12 more like 30 miles now Mar 03 03:46:09 hmm, running the 2.1.0 uberkernel + the ondemand governor freezes my Pre- after 2-3 seconds.... Mar 03 03:46:39 using the userspace governor I don't see any frequency changes in Govnah Mar 03 04:15:13 anyone know how to disable/remove the youtube app? i've got flash 10 installed, but youtube videos still launch the youtube app instead of playing in the browser Mar 03 04:16:16 bitflung: why? the youtube app will play it using the hardware h264 decoder, instead of decoding the video on CPU (and draining a -ton- more battery doing so) Mar 03 04:17:00 SineOt: because some content is 'protected' and wont play via the app - like all the crackle movies Mar 03 04:34:53 are there any plans on back porting the ondemandTCL govenor to 2.1 on the Pre, and if not... What would provide similar performance scaling? Mar 03 04:55:37 is there a --wifi-only 1.4.5 doctor so i can disable backups (i don't have service on my Pre any more)? or can i build one? Mar 03 05:00:31 anyone have any suggestions on fixing the browser history database? i have a pixi+ that won't register any browsing history. Mar 03 05:03:57 no idea Mar 03 05:04:08 is history stored on palmprofile like bookmarks are? Mar 03 05:07:21 not sure, tho bookmarks work just fine Mar 03 05:21:42 rwong: you can look in the meta-scripts and use the same options that they use for --wifi-only on the raw meta-doctor Mar 03 05:34:50 thanks Mar 03 05:35:18 i somehow managed to disable backups on my profile (i think; doctoring again at the moment) Mar 03 05:35:41 by disabling backups without logging in, then gesture tutorial -> login was able to restore.. then disable backups on "my actual profile" (or so i think) Mar 03 05:36:43 rwhitby: after deleting that db and rebooting, preware is still greyed out and i cant open SMS msgs Mar 03 05:37:23 sms thing may be due to a patch Mar 03 05:40:24 ... and i just found the old activation-bypass devicetool.jar Mar 03 05:44:13 hmm, i'm guessing even if i disabled backups, there is data to restore once i log in to my profile Mar 03 05:46:39 Robi_: did you reinstall Preware using palm-install like I said? Mar 03 05:59:23 no, used the installer.jar Mar 03 06:05:13 All right; fresh install of 2.1.0 on my vzw pre+. Gets frozen on the Auto Locate section of activation. Tried to find a solution elsewhere to no avail. Mar 03 06:05:23 KGF2010: reflash Mar 03 06:05:27 Any help? Mar 03 06:05:32 dont have palm-install Mar 03 06:05:47 using wosqi this time Mar 03 06:12:53 halfhalo: Update on my situation. The Cloud(TM) has not forgotten which apps I purchased. I can re-download them from the app cat. It is just a lot harder. Mar 03 06:14:36 sms works now, bad patch Mar 03 06:38:17 Is this the place to ask questions about installing? Mar 03 06:38:41 depends on what you are installing Mar 03 06:38:55 installing preware? or a kernel, or a patch? then YES! Mar 03 06:38:59 I'm attempting to install Preware on my Palm Pre Plus. Mar 03 06:39:09 ok, what part are you having problems at? Mar 03 06:39:32 I'm not having an issue with any of the software; rather, getting my computer to recognize my phone. Mar 03 06:39:58 I have it in Developer mode and in "Just Charge" mode, yet as soon as I click the Install button, I get an error message. Mar 03 06:40:13 what is the error? Mar 03 06:40:17 and what are you ising to isntall it? Mar 03 06:40:39 It gives me two errors, actually. Let me get the exact message. Mar 03 06:40:54 I'm using webOSQuickInstall. Mar 03 06:41:24 ERROR1: connection refused: connect Mar 03 06:41:25 And... Mar 03 06:41:45 As soon as I hit OK, ERROR: No device found Mar 03 06:41:56 in one of the WOSQI menus, there is a link for reinstalling novacom Mar 03 06:42:01 try that Mar 03 06:43:11 I don't know what WOSQI is. Mar 03 06:43:22 sorry, WebOS Quick Install Mar 03 06:43:23 I'm pretty new to preware, sorry. Mar 03 06:43:51 Found it. Mar 03 06:44:47 The window froze up as soon as I clicked it. Mar 03 06:46:36 Had to force close WOSQI, but it's reinstalling now. Mar 03 06:47:29 That did it. Thanks for your help, cryptk- I really appreciate it! Mar 03 06:47:34 no problem man! Mar 03 06:47:45 did you have the SDK installed before you tried this? Mar 03 06:48:06 if you have the SDK installed, you will already have novacom/novaterm, if you don't then you need to isntall them to have this stuff work Mar 03 06:48:33 Not sure... I had downloaded the Quick Installer, Doctor, and Preware through the Quick Installer. Mar 03 06:48:44 That's all I had done relating to Preware. Mar 03 06:48:56 yeah, you likely didn't have the SDK, no biggie though, you have the one part of it that you need now Mar 03 06:49:15 Alright. Mar 03 06:49:35 So, after the phone reboots, pretty much everything can be done/installed directly through the Preware app on the phone? Mar 03 06:57:31 CameronSolu, most things, yes Mar 03 06:57:45 Alright. One more thing, if I could. Mar 03 06:57:58 there are a few things that can't be, but that is purely because it is a patch that hasn't been submitted into our patches portal, etc Mar 03 06:58:05 CameronSolu, sure! what's up? Mar 03 06:58:53 I just tried to install the virtual keyboard and it failed. Mar 03 06:59:05 I don't know how to really interpret the IPKG Log either. Mar 03 07:00:09 CameronSolu, which virtual keyboard? the patch? Mar 03 07:00:40 what version of WebOS is your phone running? and what version does it report in Device Info? Mar 03 07:00:53 I belive so. I just searched Virtual Keyboard in Preware. Mar 03 07:01:09 I'm running 1.4.5 Mar 03 07:01:29 hrm... I don't have a 1.4.5 device available Mar 03 07:01:36 do you have other patches installed? Mar 03 07:01:50 No. It was the first thing I tried. Mar 03 07:02:03 hrm... I don't have a 1.4.5 device on me to test it... Mar 03 07:02:11 It seemed to install smoothly all the way until the end, then it failed. Mar 03 07:02:39 who is the author of that patch? Mar 03 07:02:59 Eric J Gaudet Mar 03 07:03:31 I don't even see a virtual keyboard patch available in the patches portal for 1.4.5... Mar 03 07:04:05 I just searched "Virtual keyboard" from the main Preware screen. Mar 03 07:04:14 lemme take a look, one min Mar 03 07:04:21 It's v1.4.5-10, if that helps. Mar 03 07:06:00 yeah, I see it as well... Mar 03 07:06:01 cryptk: VK is not done through the portal Mar 03 07:06:10 rwhitby, it isn't? Mar 03 07:06:23 is it because it required some custom install scripts or something? Mar 03 07:06:39 I know that one is a little funky Mar 03 07:07:06 correct Mar 03 07:07:44 CameronSolu, I believe that from the screen that shows the IPKG error log, if you look in the app menu, you can email it Mar 03 07:07:51 Yes Mar 03 07:07:53 I will msg ya my email addy, can you send it to me Mar 03 07:08:01 No problem. Mar 03 07:09:24 actually, the thing to do is to mail it to yourself, and then post it in the virtual keyboard forum thread Mar 03 07:10:09 that would be a good idea actually Mar 03 07:10:18 email it to yourself and then paste it in that thread Mar 03 07:17:26 hang on, gotta work for a minute Mar 03 07:19:35 What thread./ Mar 03 07:19:36 ? Mar 03 07:24:36 CameronSolu: precentral.net - search for the virtual keyboard thread Mar 03 07:25:13 anything involving https gives me error 2077 :( Mar 03 07:29:56 what does a search in the forum thread return for that? Mar 03 07:36:18 hello !! Mar 03 07:38:09 i get an error when i attempt to install the oc experimental kernel in preware via the testing feed Mar 03 07:38:27 what is the factory kernel i should install first ? Mar 03 07:42:30 truffolla, you need to uninstall whatever homebrew kernel you are using first Mar 03 07:42:45 so if you are using UberKernel, remove that, then try the experimental OC kernel Mar 03 07:43:30 WARNING, some people's phones are having issues booting with that kernel Mar 03 07:43:41 make sure you know how to memboot first so you can recover if you need to Mar 03 07:43:45 how about from a fresh 2.1.0 doctor ? Mar 03 07:44:05 you freshly doctored and it is telling you there are kernel modifications? Mar 03 07:44:07 odd... Mar 03 07:44:39 CameronSolu, can you put that error in the Virtual keyboard thread? I am super busy at work :( Mar 03 07:45:23 on webos-internals at work ? -- you should get the best mutlitasker award Mar 03 07:45:34 hehe, you shoulda seen me at SCaLE Mar 03 07:45:48 WebOS Internals booth, Rackspace Booth, helping with SCaLE staff Mar 03 07:45:50 lol Mar 03 07:46:01 mmm salty noodles Mar 03 07:46:03 I'm already perusing the forums and may have found an answer. I appreciate all of your help! Mar 03 07:46:04 and hanging out with HP Dev relations team Mar 03 07:46:11 great! Mar 03 07:46:36 you work night shift ? Mar 03 07:47:05 yeah Mar 03 07:47:35 i want to oc the 2.1.0 webos internal build on my pre minus Mar 03 07:48:04 but i am confused what recovery step i have to do Mar 03 07:48:07 try installing the recovery kernel from Preware Mar 03 07:48:15 it is in the same spot as the other kernels Mar 03 07:49:02 palm kernal pre / pre + : v1.4.5 -100 - web os internals ? Mar 03 07:49:10 hang on... Mar 03 07:49:16 go to Device Info on your phone Mar 03 07:49:24 what version of WebOS does it say you are running? Mar 03 07:50:12 1.4.5 Mar 03 07:50:24 however i do get stacks + just type Mar 03 07:50:43 You need to do step 5 Mar 03 07:51:01 truffolla, this means you are on 2.x (most likely 2.1.0) Mar 03 07:51:53 cryptk, you forgot..... you built scale Mar 03 07:52:17 WE built scale Mar 03 07:52:19 truffolla: what instructions are you following. URL please. Mar 03 07:52:28 yep, you missed a step Mar 03 07:53:02 for the webos 2 upgrade or oc application ? Mar 03 07:53:30 truffolla: webos 2 upgrade Mar 03 07:53:39 truffolla: why did you stop at step 4? Mar 03 07:54:30 rwhitby, when an update for the Vzw pre2 comes out, would it be relatively easy to install any updated verizon ipks to a 2.1 meta-doc'ed pre+? Mar 03 07:54:48 so continue on with: Step 5: Restore /etc/palm-build-info ? Mar 03 07:54:59 truffolla: does it say to stop? Mar 03 07:55:48 * Jack87 votes for a hardware mod portal on webos-internals.org Mar 03 07:56:08 nope.. i thougt the procedure was the same as bypassing activation Mar 03 07:56:21 allow me to continue then Mar 03 07:56:28 the procedure is exactly as it was written Mar 03 07:57:11 cryptk, go figure Mar 03 07:59:08 I have added the following to the top of the page: Mar 03 07:59:09 "You must read this page from top to bottom twice before starting this procedure. You must complete all steps from 0 to 6. Do not omit any steps. Do not improvise. Do not think you can ignore the instructions. If you do not follow these instructions precisely, completely and without error, you will not achieve your goal and you will annoy a lot of people with a lot of unnecessary questions in the process." Mar 03 07:59:25 lol Mar 03 07:59:39 thanks everyone -- i'll definitely be donating to support your great achievements Mar 03 07:59:48 truffolla: have fun. Mar 03 08:00:58 rwhitby, haha i needed a comical relief Mar 03 08:01:02 thanks Mar 03 08:01:31 * Jack87 is going home. bye all Mar 03 08:01:32 I'm here all week. Try the roast. Mar 03 08:03:56 om nom nom roast. Mar 03 08:05:33 i have another palm pre minus that shuts off randomly -- either during idle or when i close the slider Mar 03 08:06:17 could that be a hardware problem ? Mar 03 08:06:27 truffolla, battery is loose cram some paper between battery and compartment to make it nice and snug Mar 03 08:06:45 yep, sounds like the battery is sliding around Mar 03 08:06:53 that is a common problem with the very first run of the pre-'s Mar 03 08:06:55 ya know.. on the side without the connectors Mar 03 08:06:56 paper fixes all pre ails Mar 03 08:07:06 hehe i had one of those pres Mar 03 08:07:19 still might :-/ Mar 03 08:08:36 OK, anyone got a Sprint, Verizon or AT&T Pre/Pre+ that they were just about to put 2.1.0 on ? Mar 03 08:08:50 Or one that they can doctor at the drop of a hat in the name of science? Mar 03 08:09:36 and a palm profile that they don't care about Mar 03 08:10:24 i have a palm profile thats on 1.4.5 that i don't care Mar 03 08:10:53 but only bell mobility pres Mar 03 08:11:34 hrm... bellmo may work, rwhitby whatcha think? Mar 03 08:12:03 truffolla: yep, that will work. Do you have the meta-doctor set up? Mar 03 08:12:07 hum... rwhitby whats the plan Mar 03 08:12:19 Jack87: I have a cunning plan. Just need it tested. Mar 03 08:12:19 o wait but i already pseudo put 2.1.0 on it up to step 4 Mar 03 08:12:38 truffolla: that's ok, if you're happy to doctor it again Mar 03 08:12:53 sure lets go for it Mar 03 08:13:01 pre here... that cryptk doctored at scale.. i have not invested much into it so can prolly test Mar 03 08:13:01 im not very proficient with doctor Mar 03 08:13:36 but i am on windows and used cygwin to use meta-doctor Mar 03 08:13:37 besides need to redoctor anyway for sprint apps Mar 03 08:14:29 ok, truffolla, Jack87 get ready to do a git pull to get the latest version of the scripts and then run a script Mar 03 08:14:53 rwhitby, i might be lagging behind. i am still at university getting ready to go home. be about a 20min drive Mar 03 08:15:03 ok Mar 03 08:17:25 i can wait.. i have a 2nd pre that i hope the paper battery jam fixed Mar 03 08:17:41 rwhitby, I was just about to doctor my vzw pre+ Mar 03 08:17:48 yeah, after the first run of pre's they put a little bumper in there to hold the battery in place better Mar 03 08:18:02 RagingMind: awesome Mar 03 08:18:12 truffolla: ready? Mar 03 08:18:27 yeah lets go for it Mar 03 08:18:34 truffolla: run the ./scripts/new-bellmo-pre-2.1.0 script, and do *NOT* do step 5. Mar 03 08:18:52 should i empty the files in /build/ first ? Mar 03 08:20:14 truffolla: no Mar 03 08:20:16 rwhitby, is a script from a half hour ago too old? cause that's what I just built Mar 03 08:20:16 on wirc now.. is it just me or is it a bit funny he is told not to do step 5 this time. Mar 03 08:20:24 Jack87: it's hilarious Mar 03 08:20:36 I've been working on saving stuff for a half hour-ish before I ran it Mar 03 08:20:47 RagingMind: you run ./scripts/new-meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 and do *NOT* do step 5. Mar 03 08:21:18 IT SAYS: bash: ./scripts/new-bellmo-pre-2.1.0: no such rwhitby file or directory Mar 03 08:21:26 I'm guessing I did a git pull before you created that file, cause I had it... and the git pull deleted it Mar 03 08:21:38 git time Mar 03 08:21:43 truffolla: git pull Mar 03 08:22:40 "no such rwhitby" ?! truffolla, your computer is sadly mistaken Mar 03 08:23:42 no, it's right. I don't exist. Mar 03 08:24:45 that or you're a type of file system record Mar 03 08:25:18 truffolla, RagingMind: where are you up to? Mar 03 08:25:36 Note that if this experiment works, I'll be getting you to do a second one. Mar 03 08:26:09 I just did some cleaning (clobber) and now the script is running Mar 03 08:26:36 i typed git pull into cygwin and it says a bunch of stuff: remote.. updating.. error - your local changes to makefile would be overwritten by merge Mar 03 08:26:56 RagingMind: can you confirm whether CUSTOM_BUILD_INFO is in the list of settings that it prints out or not? Mar 03 08:27:10 please commit your changes or stash them before you can merge Mar 03 08:27:13 truffolla: that means you made edits to the Makefile. The steps do not say to do that. Mar 03 08:27:30 i accidently did b/c i had problems bypassing activation Mar 03 08:27:35 truffolla: "rm Makefile ; git checkout Makefile" Mar 03 08:27:42 then git pull Mar 03 08:27:48 rwhitby, that is not in the list of things that printed just after running the script Mar 03 08:30:41 thanks, that is correct Mar 03 08:31:32 okay i did "rm Makefile ; git checkout Makefile" & git pull.. but after the ,/script entry i get : bash: ./scripts/new-bellmo-pre-2.1.0: no such file or dir Mar 03 08:31:36 RagingMind, truffolla: while you're waiting, can you please go to palm.com/palmprofile and confirm your palm profile says version 1.40.50 ? Mar 03 08:32:29 truffolla: sorry, new-meta-bellmo-pre-2.1.0 Mar 03 08:33:19 okay good it runs Mar 03 08:33:39 hmmm.. my device list is empty on the palm profile webiste Mar 03 08:34:12 truffolla: interesting. are you sure you selected the correct profile email address? Mar 03 08:35:23 well i tried another palm profile i had.. and this one has 1.40.50 but it says NO under primary Mar 03 08:35:48 ok, as long as none of them say 2.1.0 yet I'm happy Mar 03 08:35:53 mine says 1.40.50 Mar 03 08:36:05 our goal is to make it say 2.1.0 Mar 03 08:36:14 that would be spiffy Mar 03 08:36:27 A feat never before achieved on a Sprint, Verizon or BellMo Pre Mar 03 08:36:31 and my metadoc is up and ready to nuke my phone Mar 03 08:36:36 do it Mar 03 08:37:24 unable to reset phone :( Mar 03 08:37:52 *just* after my phone came back to the USB logo Mar 03 08:40:13 running jar again... seems to be working *shrugs* Mar 03 08:41:51 my doctor is ready Mar 03 08:41:56 do it Mar 03 08:46:58 "tar: ./usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.palm.app.firstuse.md5sums: time stamp 2011-03-03 08:24:43 is 17051.381256104 s in the future" Mar 03 08:47:30 heh Mar 03 08:48:01 virtual machine? Mar 03 08:48:36 this is running on my desktop system Mar 03 08:50:16 11 days? that's a bit of an odd time period Mar 03 08:51:59 updated the modem, now all the carrier ipks Mar 03 08:52:26 home now but have problem... Mar 03 08:53:18 about a mile out from my house phone dropped a call i was on jumped to roaming.... and now at home i have no sprint service on it... or on my other sprint pre. nor on my mon's phone. so some issue is going on in my area with sprint towers Mar 03 08:53:35 now I'm at the webos internals logo... cute Mar 03 08:53:38 and with that being the case i may just opt out of testing considering i may not be able to register the device Mar 03 08:53:56 Jack87: ok Mar 03 08:54:16 funny.... automated webos internals animation... i was just thinking about that last night pondering about the meta meta scripts Mar 03 08:55:11 though I'm not sure why tux needs a screwdriver on the front of the pre... looks like he's about to stab it Mar 03 08:55:49 he is about to tinker with it Mar 03 08:56:04 Jack87, that is actually added into the meta-doc, not the meta-meta scripts Mar 03 08:56:58 RagingMind: stabbing works too, especially if you don't overclock it Mar 03 08:57:45 signing into my profile Mar 03 08:58:33 confirmed all sprint phones at my house are on verizon roaming.. i wonder why Mar 03 08:59:11 hmm... would help if I typed my email address correctly Mar 03 08:59:21 restoring backed up data... Mar 03 08:59:46 this is my test profile that I made the first time I meta-doc'ed to 2.1 Mar 03 09:00:42 what's palm.com/palmprofile say now? Mar 03 09:00:45 cryptk, anyway of making scripts work friendly with novaterm and back up wifi profiles and restore them? Mar 03 09:01:57 rwhitby, just finished the setup and phone is restarting, should I check profile now or after the reboot? Mar 03 09:02:04 now Mar 03 09:02:23 9.9.9 :( Mar 03 09:02:49 that was verizon, right? Mar 03 09:02:59 yup Mar 03 09:03:36 ok, removing that script. Mar 03 09:04:11 RagingMind: sorry, it's masquerading for you. Mar 03 09:04:24 doctor back to 1.4.5, then forward using the normal verizon script Mar 03 09:05:57 * rwhitby bbiab Mar 03 09:06:47 Jack87, yes there is Mar 03 09:07:37 cryptk, is it implimented already? sorry i have not yet previewed the new stuff Mar 03 09:07:49 kinda, sorta... Mar 03 09:07:57 but not exactly in the way you are talking about Mar 03 09:08:06 but the tools are there in novacom to do it though Mar 03 09:09:05 only reason i ask is because i dont mave my sprint signal for some reason. so may need wifi to activate if i do this. and it be cool if it was script-able Mar 03 09:17:00 truffolla: status? Mar 03 09:19:11 rwhitby, didn't have to doctor. just masq as 1.4.5 and erase then sign back in Mar 03 09:19:41 RagingMind: can you do some more experiments? Mar 03 09:19:47 anything else that was changed in that script that'd make me want to redoc with the regular one? Mar 03 09:19:54 RagingMind: no Mar 03 09:20:01 rwhitby, I can for a bit, I'm starting to get sleepy Mar 03 09:20:33 right now it's booting up with my profile that's at 1.40.50 again Mar 03 09:21:34 RagingMind: can you put the masqed build-info back, but change the first line to say HP webOS 2.1.0, then erase and log in again and see if it goes to 9.9.9 Mar 03 09:22:43 which doctor should I pull the build info from? Mar 03 09:22:59 RagingMind: it should still be in your meta-doctor dir Mar 03 09:23:04 that script didn't leave any variations in the metadoc dir Mar 03 09:23:07 it should say verizon 1.4.5 in it Mar 03 09:23:20 I just have one that I saved from before Mar 03 09:23:53 oh, copy it from build/preplus-p101eww-verizonwireless-1.4.5/rootfs/ Mar 03 09:24:38 oh, copy it from build/preplus-p101eww-verizonwireless-1.4.5/rootfs/etc/palm-build-info Mar 03 09:28:54 Anyone else have a Sprint Pre- available for testing? Mar 03 09:33:32 rwhitby, i am no longer roaming Mar 03 09:33:50 i dunno what was going on. maybe issue with sprint towers in my area but seems resolved now Mar 03 09:34:00 Jack87: sweet. Please try the ./scripts/test-meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script Mar 03 09:34:15 so i can help test. i been a bit out of the loop will take me a sec to catch up Mar 03 09:34:23 Jack87: confirm you have 1.40.50 before, and tell me what you get after. Do not run step 5. Mar 03 09:35:14 profile website says 1.40.50 Mar 03 09:35:31 ok, you're ready to test then Mar 03 09:36:09 new custom build info in place... erased & rebooted.... logging in Mar 03 09:36:28 rwhitby, installing git and all the fun stuff this is new install of ubuntu Mar 03 09:36:40 RagingMind: can you pastebin the palm-build-info file you used? Mar 03 09:37:25 rwhitby, maybe i have done all this Mar 03 09:37:38 although i did copy over most of my old home directory Mar 03 09:38:32 rwhitby, http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/317 Mar 03 09:40:10 profile is still at 1.4.5 Mar 03 09:40:52 so they match os version from the buildnumber/time/mark? Mar 03 09:41:16 rwhitby, running test (downloading doctors at 1mB/sec) Mar 03 09:41:26 3min Mar 03 09:41:34 okay... seriously sleepy time here Mar 03 09:41:49 will pick this up tomorrow, g'night all Mar 03 09:42:09 what is the intended goal you are trying to achive rwhitby ? Mar 03 09:43:56 grabbing doctor number 2 Mar 03 09:44:48 * Jack87 should prolly install SDK Mar 03 09:48:00 rwhitby, infobot is gone Mar 03 09:48:57 we need to get infobot completely gone so we can run our own... Mar 03 09:51:13 unpacking doctors Mar 03 09:51:29 truffolla, RagingMind: status? Mar 03 09:52:43 rwhitby, at doctor language selection screen Mar 03 09:53:29 rwhitby, RagingMind has left for the night.... i havent seen translunar respond for awhile Mar 03 09:54:26 RagingMind: that pastebin is correct Mar 03 09:55:06 ok, RagingMind's results may mean we can skip step 5 :) Mar 03 09:55:23 rwhitby, ironic.................................... Mar 03 09:55:35 this all started when rwhitby said not to skip step 5 Mar 03 09:55:50 Jack87: oh, I've been cooking up this plan since last night Mar 03 09:56:01 only just got off work to look into it Mar 03 09:56:08 hehe the plan i asked you about an hour ago? Mar 03 09:56:16 yep Mar 03 09:56:19 :-) Mar 03 09:57:01 rwhitby, i am now at the doctor language selection what do you want me to do Mar 03 09:57:14 log in as normal Mar 03 09:57:56 login? Mar 03 09:58:32 sorry the test script just came to this point.... doctor popped open.. run it? Mar 03 09:59:51 yep Mar 03 10:00:09 run doctor as normal and log into your profile as normal Mar 03 10:00:47 confirming i have my tokens (does it really matter for this) Mar 03 10:02:52 No tokens are changed, other than the ones the normal doctor changes every time. Mar 03 10:03:23 copy that Mar 03 10:07:18 rwhitby, when cryptk doctored my phone... it restored my call logs and text messages. also accounts and stuff but no the apps from catalog. any idea what was going on? Mar 03 10:08:10 no idea. Mar 03 10:10:11 figured id throw that stuff out there incase someone else runs into it Mar 03 10:12:13 anyway.... this doctor is almost done Mar 03 10:12:15 OK, I've pushed test versions of the att, bellmo, sprint, telcel and verizon scripts Mar 03 10:12:26 make file is "stock" Mar 03 10:12:33 All of which should not require step 5. Mar 03 10:13:11 * rwhitby bbiab Mar 03 10:13:18 is my device going to confirm? Mar 03 10:14:37 step 5 is not required to make 2.1.0 pre? is it required to make 1.4.5 pre plus? Mar 03 10:16:11 phone is taking its sweet time on animation screen Mar 03 10:16:23 boot animation that is Mar 03 10:18:20 Jack87: you're doing a sprint pre-, right? Mar 03 10:18:27 rwhitby, phone activated.. looks like wifi settings were saved Mar 03 10:18:43 logging in now Mar 03 10:19:27 check palm.com/palmprofile as soon as you've logged in Mar 03 10:20:17 I never knew visiting the doctor can be so much fun :) Mar 03 10:20:41 2.1.0 Mar 03 10:20:56 eh oh... is that right? Mar 03 10:21:02 yep Mar 03 10:21:06 * Jack87 wonders if catalog will work Mar 03 10:21:07 that is super right Mar 03 10:21:20 * rwhitby bbiab Mar 03 10:21:33 will confirm when "restoring" is complete Mar 03 10:21:47 jack87: which carrier is this? Mar 03 10:22:39 sprint Mar 03 10:22:57 so this is a US pre and you get the profile to display 2.1.0? Mar 03 10:23:09 I am surprised.. I thought this cannot work Mar 03 10:23:32 profile shows sprint and os version 2.1.0 Mar 03 10:23:39 yep Mar 03 10:23:43 m-h-k, its rwhitby-pre's magic Mar 03 10:23:43 How did you do that Mar 03 10:23:46 black magic Mar 03 10:23:53 yeah, must be new magic Mar 03 10:23:57 did not exist 2 days ago Mar 03 10:24:02 white magic - used for good Mar 03 10:24:12 what did you do rwhitby? Mar 03 10:24:24 rwhitby magic ;-) Mar 03 10:24:31 m-h-k, its all in the scripts now he pushed it Mar 03 10:24:36 cool Mar 03 10:24:54 * m-h-k git pulls. Mar 03 10:24:55 i think phone will reboot shortly and i should be able to test catalog Mar 03 10:25:01 anyone else want to test it before the magic wears out? Mar 03 10:25:14 rwhitby-pre, why would it wear out? Mar 03 10:25:15 I have no us phones, sorry. Mar 03 10:25:26 the magic only works for sprint at the moment Mar 03 10:25:45 oh... i thought you updated all the other scripts Mar 03 10:26:07 Jack87: those have lesser magic Mar 03 10:26:07 did they not work? (Sadly i only have sprint pre) Mar 03 10:26:25 verizon full magic didn't work Mar 03 10:26:36 haven't heard back on bellmo Mar 03 10:26:39 rwhitby-pre, does it work for "sprint pre plus"? Mar 03 10:27:15 Jack87: should do Mar 03 10:27:17 I am trying to find the magic in the script Mar 03 10:27:22 awesome Mar 03 10:28:19 oh a little Pre2 magic mixed in? Mar 03 10:28:41 so, this is now a Sprint Pre2minus? ;) Mar 03 10:28:44 on reboot after "restore" Mar 03 10:29:05 it actually restored my old apps Mar 03 10:29:19 same magic as I used on sprint Pre 2 earlier today for the webosroundup article Mar 03 10:30:26 rwhitby-pre, how do i know if catalog is working right Mar 03 10:30:39 if i see paid apps? Mar 03 10:30:40 software wise, anything that works on a Sprint Pre- /should/ work on a Sprint Pre+ Mar 03 10:30:42 search for voices Mar 03 10:31:12 found stuff Mar 03 10:31:45 look for min 2.0.0 apps Mar 03 10:31:45 just to confirm no sprint nav? Mar 03 10:31:55 no sprint nav Mar 03 10:33:04 min 2.0.0? Mar 03 10:33:18 minimum required webOS version of 2.X Mar 03 10:34:19 found apps like that Mar 03 10:35:19 cryptk, im not going to lie.. this was a much better magical effect than what you did Mar 03 10:35:30 check on the web page to make sure they are really 2.0.0 Mar 03 10:36:02 cryptk is still an apprentice Mar 03 10:37:34 rwhitby-pre: Need more people to test the new script? I can re-doctor my Sprint Pre.. Mar 03 10:37:34 so palm profile isnt actually blocking carriers like sprint? Mar 03 10:37:39 or at least not sprint... Mar 03 10:38:12 zinge: yep Mar 03 10:38:46 Jack87: it blocked verizon, magic not strong enough Mar 03 10:38:46 Should I doctor back to 1.4.5 first? Mar 03 10:39:05 zinge: if your profile says 1.40.50 no need Mar 03 10:39:30 script is test-meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Mar 03 10:39:30 Checking now... Mar 03 10:39:48 so it just so happens to allow for sprint pre to work Mar 03 10:39:53 but blocks pre plus Mar 03 10:40:00 but not pre 2 Mar 03 10:40:07 for verizon that is Mar 03 10:42:24 Well... that was dumb. Apparently I forgot the password for the new profile I used. Just got locked out trying to log in to the palm profile site :-/. Mar 03 10:42:53 rwhitby-pre, for the record.. my text messages are still here Mar 03 10:42:57 and wifi profiles Mar 03 10:43:02 and call logs Mar 03 10:43:10 * Jack87 wonders why that is Mar 03 10:43:19 Jack87, when I did your phone, we didn't know that this magical effect would work (and it very well may not have then) Mar 03 10:43:27 but alas, rwhitby-pre is indeed the magical master Mar 03 10:43:36 come back next week to see him pull a rabbit out of a touchstone Mar 03 10:43:42 cryptk, we masqed then and are not now Mar 03 10:43:51 Jack87, yeah, that is what I am talking about Mar 03 10:43:56 Hey Adora Mar 03 10:44:01 hola Mar 03 10:44:14 did you see the pic of you at/on the rackspace booth I tweeted? Mar 03 10:44:18 Jack87: saved things are expected too Mar 03 10:44:29 rwhitby-pre, roger coolness Mar 03 10:44:31 rwhitby-pre: confirmed that I'm listed as 1.4.5 on sprint profile site. Mar 03 10:44:38 magical!! i am glad we got it working Mar 03 10:44:54 hi Adora welcome Mar 03 10:46:28 cryptk, she was hanging on it like it was monkey bars Mar 03 10:46:36 Silly git question: how do I get the newest meta-doctor (normally git clone) without wiping out the old checked out directory? Mar 03 10:46:54 git pull Mar 03 10:46:58 Jack87, that's the one Mar 03 10:46:59 cryptk, you guys had some hardcore scaffolding Mar 03 10:47:00 brb Mar 03 10:47:29 rwhitby-pre, we have and "official" 2.1.0 sprint pre Mar 03 10:47:41 s/and/an/ Mar 03 10:47:45 oh no bot Mar 03 10:48:06 cryptk: thankewsah Mar 03 10:48:29 Adora, I CCed you an E-mail earlier to your palm addy just heads up :-). Mar 03 10:49:09 b Mar 03 10:49:36 Jack87, it isn't really official... it is still definitely homebrew Mar 03 10:49:54 the only way we can call it ifficial is if a doctor is released for it, or Sprint offers an OTA for it Mar 03 10:49:55 cryptk, hence the quotes Mar 03 10:50:15 it is "closer" to "official" but not "quite" there "yet" lol Mar 03 10:50:22 haha indeed Mar 03 10:50:38 well palm profile accepts it.. so its really really close! Mar 03 10:50:49 Running test-meta-sprint now, Palm profile shows 1.40.50 before doctoring. Mar 03 10:50:56 as it stands mine is the only one Mar 03 10:51:11 I love how much all the homebrewers have come together for this stuff! Mar 03 10:51:15 this is excellent Mar 03 10:51:20 zinge, did you do a fresh git pull? Mar 03 10:51:21 Jack87, welcome to the club! Mar 03 10:51:29 Yup, just git pulled now Mar 03 10:51:35 cryptk, club? Mar 03 10:51:44 Jack87: yours is the second one ;) Mar 03 10:51:52 the club of people that have a phone that is "temporarially unique" Mar 03 10:51:53 rwhitby-pre, is yours the first? Mar 03 10:51:57 rwhitby-pre, 's Mar 03 10:51:57 yep Mar 03 10:52:09 hehe mine is the first on the network yay Mar 03 10:52:17 I think my Pre2 was "unique" for a few hours... Mar 03 10:52:24 Wow, just had a panic moment. Blanked out and forgot which phone was which and thought I was running this on my real phone... which is sitting across the room on my touchstone. Phew Mar 03 10:52:40 mainly because rwhitby-pre and I did it in the middle of the night, so it was a few hours before many people knew we did it Mar 03 10:52:41 heh, I've done that Mar 03 10:52:49 zinge, i ran it on my "real" phone Mar 03 10:52:56 zinge: wiped my tokens doing that once Mar 03 10:53:10 my first phone.. the vol up button never really worked :( so my dev phone has become my real phone Mar 03 10:53:19 as without vol up i cant ever do emergency recover Mar 03 10:53:31 Jack87, we never did get the glue to fix that :( Mar 03 10:53:34 I have half a case on the one I have service on, which usually makes it easy to tell which it which, but I take it off to charge it. Mar 03 10:53:56 cryptk, i know :( i'm going to have to take it apart all my myself now) i have the glue here Mar 03 10:54:27 just be really really careful... Mar 03 10:54:37 if you get that glue in the wrong spot then the vol up will NEVER work Mar 03 10:55:00 hehe so i have nothing to lose Mar 03 10:55:17 i think my t5 is in the car Mar 03 10:55:21 and if you get it in a different wrong spot, then you will never be able to remove the backplate Mar 03 10:55:33 it was a tiny screw driver set that came in a giant set of tools (for the car) Mar 03 10:55:49 heh Mar 03 10:55:56 I just got my kit at Wal-Mart Mar 03 10:56:05 rick told me someone wanted to buy it at SCaLE Mar 03 10:56:06 lol Mar 03 10:56:12 mine has option for a bendy and extending thing Mar 03 10:56:16 haha have never usedit Mar 03 10:56:39 cryptk, you should of sold it. hehe make like a dollar profit ;-) Mar 03 10:57:43 rwhitby-pre, question Mar 03 10:58:02 yes Mar 03 10:58:12 Good answer! Mar 03 10:58:20 if i try logging in with my "real" profile that has a bunch of my paid apps... would it convert it to a 2.1.0 profile and download all the apps Mar 03 10:58:45 it should, yes. no guarantee Mar 03 10:59:01 if i did it with a pre2 it would right? Mar 03 10:59:16 should do Mar 03 10:59:33 cryptk, are you using your real profile on your sprint pre2? Mar 03 11:00:00 kinda Mar 03 11:00:06 * Jack87 is so scared of the clunky profile system Mar 03 11:00:07 I am, but it is masqueraded as 1.4.5 Mar 03 11:00:15 oh right Mar 03 11:00:17 I haven't had time to convert it to the new meathod Mar 03 11:00:42 cryptk, you most likely will need to redoctor to do it properly for the sign in Mar 03 11:00:47 yeah Mar 03 11:00:51 I am prepared for that Mar 03 11:00:52 * rwhitby-pre always waits for other folks to test profile stuff first Mar 03 11:00:53 unless there is a way to force activation and sign in Mar 03 11:01:02 full erase Mar 03 11:01:13 * Jack87 needs to wait as well Mar 03 11:01:27 now that my palm-build-info is unmasqed I should just be able to full erase and sign in Mar 03 11:01:29 i have actually spent quit a bit of money in catalog haha dont want to lose it all Mar 03 11:01:45 cryptk, do you have much to lose? Mar 03 11:02:12 Jack87, nope Mar 03 11:02:25 sweet. you are our dedicated profile tester Mar 03 11:02:35 hehe Mar 03 11:05:34 Doctor finished, phone's rebooting. Mar 03 11:05:42 you can get back the paid apps once you redoctor to 1.4.5, can't you? in case it fails with 2.x and you end up with 9.9.9 profile? Mar 03 11:06:00 should be able to Mar 03 11:06:17 I've not heard of anyone losing any apps yes. Mar 03 11:06:22 so it's not as dangerous as it just sounded Mar 03 11:06:27 ok Mar 03 11:07:02 For some reason, I've made a connection between the wwebos internals logo, and rwhitby. (rwhitby, you look good in a tux... as tux... whatever.) Mar 03 11:07:11 haha Mar 03 11:07:31 heh Mar 03 11:07:45 zinge: in your mind, does he hold a screwdriver in his left wing? Mar 03 11:08:12 Exactly Mar 03 11:08:22 heh Mar 03 11:08:43 Arg.... I did something dumb. Again. Not my night. Ran the new doctor script, but forgot the wifi flag... Mar 03 11:09:36 Hmm... trying something real quick... Mar 03 11:11:14 if you have dev mode, you can novacom put the prefDb for wifi and reboot Mar 03 11:12:05 (if you normally autoinstall wifi profiles when doctoring that is) Mar 03 11:12:36 Dev mode is on, I can novaterm in. I don't normally auto-install the wifi profile though Mar 03 11:13:13 I have an access point I can open real quick if I can set it to pick up an open ap? Mar 03 11:19:01 It'd be cool if you could move paid apps from one profile to another Mar 03 11:20:24 if you could do that, then piracy would be rampant Mar 03 11:21:00 I know.. people are just too bad :( Mar 03 11:21:23 btw, what's the "primary" flag in the palm profile for? Mar 03 11:21:39 I mean, there is only 1 pre per profile, right? Mar 03 11:21:44 I'm sure there's a better way to do this, but if I use a luna-send to connect to a wifi network, will the firstuse palm profile sign in work with it? Mar 03 11:23:29 m-h-k: there can be two phones that last had that profile on them. only one is active. Mar 03 11:23:37 m-h-k, yes one device per profile right now. but with touch pad and stuff coming out one can only assume this will change Mar 03 11:23:37 zinge: should do Mar 03 11:24:09 Jack87: yeah, especially since I believe they actually said they were using the same profile on both devices Mar 03 11:24:25 rwhitby-pre, my experince is if inactive phone gets a connection with same profile as active it will remote wipe the inactive phone Mar 03 11:24:30 so I suppose the "primiary" thing is in preparation for the upcoming touchpad + pre 3 combination, or something like that Mar 03 11:24:47 Jack87: that is correct. the inactive will show in the profile as the secondary phone Mar 03 11:24:56 m-h-k: it's been there from day one Mar 03 11:25:07 oh Mar 03 11:25:33 ::sigh:: I can turn on wifi and list AP's in range, but I don't know how to get it to connect to a new one. Mar 03 11:25:52 as a "this phone was stolen and needs to be wiped when it next logs in" reminder? Mar 03 11:29:51 rwhitby-pre, what does make DEVICE=pre all-sprint do.. does it build a meta doctor for all sprint versions of doctors in download dir? Mar 03 11:30:10 no Mar 03 11:30:17 all = unpack patch pack Mar 03 11:30:29 ah Mar 03 11:30:32 * rwhitby-pre bbt - zinge drop a note in the thread if it works Mar 03 11:30:55 goodnight Mar 03 11:32:16 rwhitby: I'll probably just restart the doctor with the right flag. I'm off to bed. I'll post in the thread in the morning if it works. Thanks! Mar 03 12:46:15 * admiral0 is now pre2-addicted Mar 03 12:46:28 :O Mar 03 12:56:46 admiral0: how it is ? Mar 03 12:56:55 I played with one a few days ago Mar 03 12:56:59 cool. Mar 03 12:57:21 I found the device to still be rather laggy Mar 03 12:57:33 i basically miss 3 things from n900 Mar 03 12:57:45 1. bigger screen res Mar 03 12:57:58 2. mplayer Mar 03 12:57:59 3. fennec Mar 03 12:58:32 hopefully i'm able to do something about 2 and 3 Mar 03 13:06:35 wow Mar 03 13:07:08 I finally got my profile working with full app catalog access on 2.1 Mar 03 13:07:20 after at least two dozen trips to the doctor Mar 03 13:10:25 By chance, does anyone know how to use your existing profile on an unactivated Pre Plus with 2.1? Because Meta Doctor doesn't show the icon of the first use app after bypassing it... Mar 03 13:22:33 it doesn't? because it always has for me.... Mar 03 13:23:29 I already tried different ways (with or without devmode, for example) and didn't manage to show it yet Mar 03 13:24:00 But maybe that's because it's webOS 2? Mar 03 13:24:09 could be... Mar 03 13:26:18 I only have to skip first use in order to activate my phones Mar 03 13:26:43 Yes but it looks like you can't get new services on 2.1 if you don't sign in with your profile Mar 03 13:27:08 (like MSN in the messaging app) Mar 03 13:33:35 Aemy: run Gesture tutorial Mar 03 13:33:43 this is the first use app on 2.1 Mar 03 13:35:26 Jeez, it was that simple? Well thanks a lot m-h-k ! Mar 03 13:35:33 sure Mar 03 13:35:46 it becomes Gesture tutorial after first use Mar 03 13:37:13 Actually the only time I ran it was after using the official way to work with an unactivated device, and it only showed me how to use the gesture area, so I assumed it would do exactly the same thing with Meta Doctor Mar 03 13:39:07 yeah well it is full of secrets ;) Mar 03 13:39:41 the whole phone is Mar 03 13:39:52 That's why I like it x) Mar 03 13:40:01 I'm just disappointed I couldn't get the supercowpowers easteregg to work Mar 03 13:40:06 the whole world acutally is, but that's more philosophical Mar 03 13:40:13 true Mar 03 13:42:11 ah I can see it is now also in the Wiki: "Then, when your device boots after step 4, all you need to do is configure and start wifi and then run the Gesture Tutorial" Mar 03 13:43:06 Aemy: you did meta-doctor with --wifi-only, didn't you? Mar 03 13:43:53 m-h-k: Yeah but the scripts didn't work so I made it manually Mar 03 13:48:06 The meta-wr-pre-2.1.0 script was downloading both 1.4.5 (why?) and 2.1.0, but the 1.4.5 version wasn't the one I have to use with my SFR Palm Mar 03 13:48:55 meta-wr-pre-2.1.0 gets 1.4.5 to get to the masquearding info Mar 03 13:49:42 if you have an SFR Pre (minus? plus?) you can probably use the meta-o2-pre(plus)-2.1.0 Mar 03 13:50:05 I tried to change the links and device model numbers, the build worked but once I installed it on the Pre it wasn't activated nor anything Mar 03 13:50:14 And it's a SFR Pre Plus Mar 03 13:50:33 I think the meta scripts should have been able to handle this without you changing anything Mar 03 13:51:01 is your palm profile on 2.1.0 now? Mar 03 13:51:11 and your device info says 2.1.0? Mar 03 13:52:17 can you see "Voices" in the app catalog? Mar 03 13:52:28 Three simple checks ;) Mar 03 13:52:49 It says it's restoring my data Mar 03 13:53:29 while it is doing that you can go to palm profile on your pc and check what it says Mar 03 13:54:03 Yeah it's 2.1.0 Mar 03 13:54:09 good Mar 03 13:54:38 so your device info should show 2.1.0 too Mar 03 13:55:00 It needs to restart now Mar 03 13:55:55 While I'm here, why is there a phone number in the device details if I never used any SIM card in the Pre? Mar 03 13:56:09 (it was already here when I had 1.4.5) Mar 03 13:57:38 It was activated once, wasn't it, back in france with some SIM card? Mar 03 13:57:54 call the number and ask? Mar 03 13:58:04 xD Mar 03 13:58:10 or how / where did you get the phone Mar 03 13:58:51 Well I bought it from a person, but it was new, closed and everything Mar 03 13:59:16 like shrink wrapped closed or "as new" but activated once Mar 03 13:59:34 Maybe it's their phone number if they bought it with an SFR account or something Mar 03 13:59:53 b/c if it had never been "first used" with some SIM then why could you get access to app catalog paid apps? or don't you Mar 03 14:00:12 is it a french number? Mar 03 14:00:48 Yeah it is. Now it rebooted and I checked the device info, it's also 2.1.0 there. Mar 03 14:00:58 I never used the App Catalog Mar 03 14:01:06 oh Mar 03 14:01:36 so it looks like you are good with 2.1.0 Mar 03 14:01:49 Hmm, now I opened it and it shows the apps Mar 03 14:01:57 final step 6 is use the app catalog and purchase something.. for example Homebrew documentation :) Mar 03 14:02:19 in app catalog, just check first if you can see an app called "Voices" Mar 03 14:02:24 you can search for it Mar 03 14:02:26 Yeah I see "Voices". Inglorious apps, right? Mar 03 14:02:56 yup, good, so the app catalog also believes you have an 2.1.0 phone Mar 03 14:03:30 now where was this french credit card ;) Mar 03 14:04:30 I guess I'll buy the doc once I get back my new card x) Mar 03 14:04:55 Or are there other ways to buy apps? Mar 03 14:06:35 well for buying apps in the app catalog you have to add a credit card to your profile. it will prompt you for that once you try purchasing for the first time. Mar 03 14:06:48 for supporting homebrew, you can also just simply donate via the web page and paypal Mar 03 14:07:20 Because it looks like I can download free apps but there's an error if I try to buy something Mar 03 14:07:32 what kind of error Mar 03 14:08:14 The action could not be completed. Try again later. Mar 03 14:08:34 * m-h-k thinks. Mar 03 14:08:51 And I still can't get new services Mar 03 14:08:53 shoot, i totally missed the time. I gotta run. Mar 03 14:09:00 It says it doesn't find anything :/ Mar 03 14:09:05 sorry, ttyl Mar 03 14:09:11 Have a nice day m-h-k ;) Mar 03 14:12:04 Well, either I have to wait them to release the official ROM for SFR, either I can't get the services if it's not activated in the normal way. Mar 03 14:45:24 anyone know how to disable/remove the youtube app? i've got flash 10 installed, but youtube videos still launch the youtube app instead of playing in the browser (most of the Movies are restricted to playing in the browser and wont play from the app) Mar 03 15:50:33 Hi everybody! Mar 03 15:51:45 hola Mar 03 15:52:03 lol, your name reminds me of a girls nickname for me, hahaha Mar 03 15:55:07 grr... it's naughy bunny! Mar 03 15:55:07 hehehe Mar 03 16:06:15 Hi, i was leafing through the package list at opensource.palm.com and there's qt4 in the >= 2.0.0 package listings. Anyone know if writeing apps in Qt will be supported? Mar 03 16:08:15 It's supposed to work only for Luna Mar 03 16:08:47 okay... I swear one of the versions of the meta scripts had stuff to replace the boot logo, but now I can't find it Mar 03 16:11:16 NuttyBunny: was that directed at me? Luna with Qt support but no end user Qt applications? Mar 03 16:11:40 swid_bk: That's right :( Mar 03 16:11:54 NuttyBunny: pitty Mar 03 16:11:55 At least that's what I've read Mar 03 16:12:20 Then I'll stick to the qt in preware for now Mar 03 16:12:35 NuttyBunny: thanks anyway Mar 03 16:15:13 Yeah, maybe you can compile statically the libs you need :( Mar 03 16:15:25 I think that's allowed for PDK apps Mar 03 16:16:07 I'll play with it a little Mar 03 16:16:19 RagingMind, that is built directly into meta-doc, not the meta scripts Mar 03 16:16:29 Far from producing anything worth going into any feeds :) Mar 03 16:17:08 I had someone talk to me at SCaLE that was very interested in QT stuff on webOS Mar 03 16:17:37 cryptk: define someone :) Mar 03 16:18:03 don't remember his name, I know he had an accent and was interested in possibly porting over maemo apps etc Mar 03 16:18:08 there were alot of people there... Mar 03 16:18:16 oh! Mar 03 16:18:23 I think I remember him! Mar 03 16:18:24 yeah, but this guy was the only one asking me about QT stuff Mar 03 16:18:32 I met him at the perl talk I went to Mar 03 16:18:34 I'm interested in Qt as a cross platform toolkit between Meego/Android/WebOS Mar 03 16:18:52 not sure where his accent was from though... Mar 03 16:19:04 there was a guy who was asking bout that at the booth, Mar 03 16:19:18 yep, that's the guy Mar 03 16:19:24 and then the guy who gave the meego talk Mar 03 16:20:20 meego on palm hardware? Mar 03 16:20:38 cryptk, I saw the stuff in the versions of the meta script last night Mar 03 16:20:48 I was hoping to just drop in my own image today Mar 03 16:21:10 now that it's not in the script... slightly more difficult Mar 03 16:21:47 RagingMind, it is super easy, it is configurable directly in meta-doc Mar 03 16:21:51 just like everything else is Mar 03 16:22:07 and you can override that in a meta-script, same as how you would set DEVICE or VERSION, etc Mar 03 16:22:13 Well then, thanks for the info. I guess I'll start lurking here tomorrow :) Mar 03 16:22:46 cryptk, it just means I'll have to figure it out now, instead of just replacing the file it included last night Mar 03 16:22:54 I just woke up... I'm bitchy Mar 03 16:23:40 hurry and wake up then, I was at work all night... I can't do bitchy... lol Mar 03 16:24:02 * halfhalo fires up the bitchomobile Mar 03 16:25:17 I mean.... Mar 03 16:25:28 pie! Mar 03 16:26:32 yay! I found it :) Mar 03 16:28:45 okay, so I can get the initial boot logo to show palm, anyone know how I can replace the glowing one? Mar 03 16:29:26 I think there are 2 logos, and the pre fades one and another Mar 03 16:30:49 RagingMind: nostalgic, eh? I think the HP logo is cooler looking for a device boot screen Mar 03 16:31:23 I tried searching the full extracted file system from nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz for tga files and didn't find any Mar 03 16:31:40 and there are tons of png files :( Mar 03 16:31:50 mmm... lemme see, PreCentral has the answer... Mar 03 16:31:54 * NuttyBunny searches Mar 03 16:32:41 The answer to the ultimate question is 42 Mar 03 16:33:41 will pmvoice commands fail or shit a brick in some way if I only install the enus language pack? Mar 03 16:34:32 RagingMind: I don't think so, but I'd love to customize the language it recognizes, as the language autocorrect works on :S Mar 03 16:34:49 Mornin' all Mar 03 16:35:34 I've run into a bit of a hiccup with 2.1 on my VZW Pre+. Text messaging isn't working right. w Mar 03 16:36:03 When I open the app it's not letting me open the individual texts. Mar 03 16:36:13 Sanglant, what script did you run, and did you customize any options? Mar 03 16:36:19 any patches so far? Mar 03 16:36:39 I had that problem with patches Mar 03 16:36:49 I removed all the messaging patches and it's gone away Mar 03 16:37:09 haven't had time to test which one it was yet Mar 03 16:37:17 Ok, I'll try dropping the patches. I can't remember off hand if I added any for messaging. Mar 03 16:37:34 just drop the messaging ones, that worked for me Mar 03 16:37:40 the uberkernel is working fantastic though Mar 03 16:37:47 yes it is. Mar 03 16:38:04 RagingMind: Look for *palm-logo.png and *palm-logo-bright.png Mar 03 16:38:17 I had the new card per convo patch installed Mar 03 16:38:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Boot_Themes Mar 03 16:38:32 so did I Mar 03 16:38:56 That's the only one I had. Mar 03 16:39:50 RagingMind: I think they're /usr/palm/sysmgr/images/palm-logo.png and /usr/palm/sysmgr/images/palm-logo-bright.png Mar 03 16:40:16 I'm looking into the 2.1 doc to see if it's magically HP-* now Mar 03 16:40:19 it's working now. Thanks for the help Loudergood Mar 03 16:40:42 great, we should probably let someone know Mar 03 16:40:45 I love my Pre- going from 125Mhz to 720Ghz :D Mar 03 16:41:20 I hate my Pre+ for not being capable of going <500Mhz :@ Mar 03 16:41:50 I didn't notice a difference in the battery life going low like that Mar 03 16:42:16 turning off data works much better Mar 03 16:43:52 swid_bk: I think qt4 in webos 2.x is mainly used by Luna itself. Mar 03 16:43:55 oh wait, he's gone Mar 03 16:44:27 someone said with was just the launcher I think Mar 03 16:44:35 I'd have to dig through the logs though Mar 03 16:44:48 and that it wasn't a public api of course Mar 03 16:44:50 Loudergood: LunaSysMgr (the GUI) links to it Mar 03 16:45:01 ah right Mar 03 16:45:37 it says Palm on the back of my phone, so it's gonna say palm on the front when I boot it up :) Mar 03 16:45:43 I kind of hope we see more of it Mar 03 16:45:58 I've always wanted to learn Qt and never gotten around to it Mar 03 16:50:11 qt... meh Mar 03 16:51:02 NuttyBunny, they are now hp-logo.png and hp-logo-bright.png Mar 03 16:59:23 RagingMind: Damn hp :P Mar 03 17:44:53 Has anyone looked at com.palm.app.wlmcustomlogin_1.0-6.4_armv7.ipk? wlm looks like windows live messaging? Mar 03 17:45:15 interesting Mar 03 17:45:41 NuttyBunny: what doctor is that from? Mar 03 17:47:04 that would make sense Mar 03 17:47:05 installed.. reloading Luna Mar 03 17:47:28 where is this? Mar 03 17:47:31 20 says you brick it Mar 03 17:48:06 yeah where did you find that? Mar 03 17:48:38 inside the Doctor, ./resources/wr-castle-plus/ Mar 03 17:48:47 from the 2.1 one Mar 03 17:49:01 so the O2 Pre+ doctor? Mar 03 17:49:11 yup Mar 03 17:49:40 what other goodies are in there? Mar 03 17:50:38 voicedial, some images files Mar 03 17:52:05 ok, I don't see how I can use that thing (installed it, and it copies some files, but I don't know that to do next) .. hehehe Mar 03 17:52:05 * NuttyBunny pokes into the files Mar 03 17:52:22 aha! it's an application... Mar 03 17:54:04 visible: true... let's see if it shows up, it says it's a WLM custom login ui, but I guess there are more parts missing... :S Mar 03 17:56:35 NuttyBunny, watch /var/log/messages for clues as you try and launch it Mar 03 17:56:44 ls-monitor may shed clues as well Mar 03 17:57:37 wouldn't it be added inside the messaging app? Mar 03 17:57:46 if it were done right that is Mar 03 17:57:53 No container currently mapped for [BusId appId:com.palm.app.wlmcustomlogin] Mar 03 17:58:29 yep, it should be the custom login window for msn messenger, if it existed in the messaging account types :S Mar 03 17:59:29 * NuttyBunny looks for more traces of wlm in the filesystem Mar 03 18:04:30 mmm... upon looking at the verizon skyped ipk file, there are lots of files that would be necessary for this to do anything :( Mar 03 18:04:55 ah Mar 03 18:05:02 how about wlm vs aim? Mar 03 18:05:39 hm, I know there's an ipkg unpack script for OSX, but I can't for the life of me remember where to find it... Anyone have some ideas? :b Mar 03 18:06:17 Loudergood: there are a number of files that have to be created for it to run... I see a service, definitions for kinds of databases, permissions, that simply aren't there for wlm :( Mar 03 18:08:18 heh, NuttyBunny: well Mar 03 18:08:19 "Note: Windows Live Messenger is only available through the SFR data network and not through Wi-Fi." Mar 03 18:08:48 weak Mar 03 18:08:59 Aw... crap... Skype on Verizon anyone? :S Mar 03 18:09:11 "PS - let us know how your battery feels about that" Mar 03 18:09:22 it also seems to be written in Enyo? Mar 03 18:09:44 what's that? Mar 03 18:09:55 8) Mar 03 18:09:59 actually, no, it's just weird Mojo Mar 03 18:10:44 oooooh, spoooooooky "
" Mar 03 18:15:54 yeah looking at this it's really not much, I think it's just a front end for the SFR Pre2 to be able to use something weird that is only available on SFR Mar 03 18:18:36 yep, but there are other ipks in the 2.1 Dr Mar 03 18:19:21 I see sfrwisprd_1.0.0-9_armv7.ipk, imsfrtransport_1.0.1-19.5_armv7.ipk, com.palm.sfrvvm_1.0.1-16_armv7.ipk (about SFR) Mar 03 18:20:16 ./templates/com.palm.sfr.wlm/ Mar 03 18:20:16 nice Mar 03 18:20:29 * NuttyBunny installs everything Mar 03 18:27:20 SineOt: you can unpack ipk files on OS X in the terminal using "ar x file.ipk" Mar 03 18:27:51 it's just an archive similar to a debian package Mar 03 18:29:00 NuttyBunny, someone in here had installed the skype packages and had it working Mar 03 18:29:05 they failed to install for me Mar 03 18:29:51 any advice for terminal not working on 2.1 ? Mar 03 18:29:53 RagingMind: I'm installing with ipkg inside the Pre Mar 03 18:30:26 yup, I got skyped to install Mar 03 18:30:29 Guest: No, it's not working... in fact, right now we don't have a working terminal program on 2.x :( Mar 03 18:30:35 but when I tried to launch it manually it failed Mar 03 18:30:49 and the other skype package just wouldn't install Mar 03 18:31:27 weird, I don't remember what I used to install them, but they installed easily Mar 03 18:31:46 ohh, going back to 1.4.5 then, thanks NuttyBunny Mar 03 18:32:31 NuttyBunny, the other guy that tried had some weird issues Mar 03 18:32:51 RagingMind: I was looking through the dr for verizon and it seems like the code for Skype was littered throughout the OS Mar 03 18:32:51 he could send messages and calls, but to everyone else he always showed as offline Mar 03 18:33:06 he also had to start skyped manually for the app to launch/load Mar 03 18:33:07 I can't imagine a simple ipk install would add the those dependancies Mar 03 18:33:18 and skyped kept exiting on him Mar 03 18:33:43 grep skype on the version dr, i dare you :D Mar 03 18:33:58 etx-, there was enough for it to kinda work just from the ipks Mar 03 18:34:01 ext-: Much of the code exists in 2.1 as is Mar 03 18:34:08 grep skype on the 2.1 Dr :) Mar 03 18:34:48 etx-, think we could grep the vzw 2.0.1 doctor and the 2.1 doctor, see what differs and come up with a patch or package for the stuff? Mar 03 18:35:30 eh, perhaps Mar 03 18:35:48 would take a bit more manual labor i think Mar 03 18:36:18 I wouldn't mind hackign on it when i find some time Mar 03 18:36:32 I'm having too much fun rolling my own enyo components :D Mar 03 18:36:50 * RagingMind wants to play with enyo Mar 03 18:40:09 enyo makes me happy Mar 03 18:40:17 RagingMind: Join the early access program Mar 03 18:40:19 etx-: NDA stuff :P Mar 03 18:40:56 I give up, I installed every package and still don't see anything in accounts or messaging :) Mar 03 18:42:12 it's no secret that enyo exists, it's been announced publicly, I can say it's fun man relax :) Mar 03 18:42:30 yeah, you can talk about Enyo existing Mar 03 18:42:41 I mean, the Dev event even showed off what some Enyo code looks like! Mar 03 18:42:54 and that got posted to YouTube Mar 03 18:42:57 true true Mar 03 18:42:58 it's hardly a secret Mar 03 18:43:48 I want to build a webos sdk plugin for this: cloud9ide.com Mar 03 18:43:52 it's pretty cool Mar 03 18:44:03 unless the new ares is this nice Mar 03 18:44:28 Ares right now is nice, it's just way lacking in documentation since it got frozen half way through development Mar 03 18:44:43 I'm sure once Enyo kicks in and the documentation catches up it'll be super awesome Mar 03 18:44:56 (and when they add GIT support for vcs, instead of just svn and mercurial) Mar 03 18:51:12 I hate people looking over my shoulder - *turns the brightness all the way down Mar 03 18:52:30 etx-: i built a little app last night using Ares. it's much nicer than Eclipse/Aptana imho Mar 03 18:54:22 I bought a couple 3d games early on... not cause I really thought I'd play them Mar 03 18:54:34 I just wanted to boost sails numbers, heh Mar 03 18:55:31 the captive portal stuff in 2.1 is pretty awesome Mar 03 19:07:58 sconix: is it possible to disable the mute switch icon/gps icon that seem to be included in the new builds of Advanced System Menus - Device Menu? Mar 03 19:08:46 not currently, at some point it will configurable but currently don't ahve time to add that Mar 03 19:09:18 ah Mar 03 19:09:26 so it's not just me missing something :3 Mar 03 19:09:29 awesome patch either way! Mar 03 19:09:51 thanks Mar 03 19:10:37 hmm... Mode Switcher 2 beta? Is that the version rewritten with javascript services? Mar 03 19:10:47 yes Mar 03 19:11:21 its already almost ready for public release, but I need to finish adv.sys.prefs patches first since they are needed for some features of MS 2.0 Mar 03 19:12:27 if you're looking for private testers, I'd be more than happy to volunteer :p Mar 03 19:13:12 I have few testers but I can always take more if you want, specially for those patches if you have 2.1 and are willing to risk your device/profile etc. :) Mar 03 19:13:49 it's a dev device with a testing profile, so it sounds like a match made in heaven :3 Mar 03 19:14:01 well in that case :) Mar 03 19:19:23 anyone know who "estockda" is or how to get a hold of him? Mar 03 19:20:48 cause the "advanced new card per convo" patch definitely does not seem to work. Mar 03 19:21:03 idontwan2know: he knows about it, new version should be coming into Preware soon Mar 03 19:21:09 I was just reading about it on the forums XD Mar 03 19:21:19 gotcha Mar 03 19:22:09 I was all like "sweet, this is gonna be amazing with stacks" Mar 03 19:22:39 then "zomg it totally borks messaging completely" Mar 03 19:22:49 yup yup Mar 03 19:22:57 he forgot to include part of the patch Mar 03 19:23:04 and is waiting for the new version to push or something Mar 03 19:24:21 cool Mar 03 19:32:26 anyone with an O2 Pre+ running 2.1 on it around? Mar 03 19:32:37 hm,yes Mar 03 19:32:48 could you see if Exhibition rotates for you? Mar 03 19:32:51 ehm, no, no O2 Mar 03 19:33:28 * SineOt can't get exhibition to rotate, and "knows" that it did before... Can't figure out what might have changed Mar 03 19:34:08 in fact, for anyone with 2.1, does Exhibition rotate? Mar 03 19:34:45 * djwhitey starts exhibition Mar 03 19:34:53 doesn't start on the touchstone Mar 03 19:34:58 for me Mar 03 19:34:59 hm Mar 03 19:35:34 when started manually, it doesn't rotate Mar 03 19:35:51 doesn't rotate for me off the touchstone Mar 03 19:35:53 but it does on a touchstone? Mar 03 19:35:55 maybe it rotates, if it starts over an app which supprts rotationß Mar 03 19:36:08 it doesn't srtat on my touchstone Mar 03 19:36:26 I know the Time app rotates, and that the agenda view has a rotated view that shows a month calendar... Mar 03 19:36:30 tried photos, agenda, govnah, & the clock Mar 03 19:37:39 huh Mar 03 19:38:10 exhibition sends com.palm.hidd /HidAccelerometer/State {"mode":"set","value":"off"} Mar 03 19:38:31 so it actively disables the accelerometer to determine device orientation Mar 03 19:38:36 wonder if it behaves differently on a touchstone Mar 03 19:41:23 disables accelerometer and ambient light sensor Mar 03 19:42:04 anyone have a touchstone to test it on? Mar 03 19:43:56 mine's in the car :( Mar 03 19:47:30 syncing my pre to a directory on my computer is nifty :) Mar 03 19:47:47 I can just update the Dir to the way I want then, plug in the pre, and sync Mar 03 19:49:37 hey.. has anyone tried the test metascripts yet? Mar 03 19:50:39 ~seen rwhitby Mar 03 19:50:56 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals, last said: 'Jack87: confirm you have 1.40.50 before, and tell me what you get after. Do not run step 5.'. Mar 03 19:51:13 NuttyBunny: what about the metascripts? did they get updated again? :O Mar 03 19:51:18 we were trying some of that stuff last night Mar 03 19:51:36 not sure what happened after I went to bed, but there was work on profile stuff Mar 03 19:51:44 something doesn't add up with the palm-build-info that you have there... Mar 03 19:52:09 the commands get the first line from the 1.4.5 profile, and the last 4 from the 2.1.0 palm-buid-info Mar 03 19:52:22 which means, you'd get 1.4.5 in Device Info Mar 03 19:52:50 I think it should be the first from 2.1.0, and the last 4 from 1.4.5 Mar 03 19:58:07 the servers ignore the first line entirely Mar 03 19:58:22 okay... maybe not entirely, but they don't seem to care Mar 03 19:58:33 You need to masquerade only for unsupported devices, right? Mar 03 19:58:45 that's right, that's the reason I think the palm-build-info file is being created incorrectly Mar 03 19:58:47 the first line is not what they use to determine the version Mar 03 19:58:55 but the bottom 4 Mar 03 19:59:05 we were trying to get it to recognize 2.1 on verizon Mar 03 19:59:08 which the current test scripts are grabbing from the 2.1.0 Doctor Mar 03 19:59:40 mmmm... ok, so, stay away from the test scripts for not? Mar 03 19:59:44 s/not/now/ Mar 03 19:59:44 NuttyBunny meant: mmmm... ok, so, stay away from the test scripts for now? Mar 03 20:00:37 NuttyBunny, I wouldn't test without rwhitby to tell you what they currently do Mar 03 20:01:02 I think there was some marginal success with sprint, but none at all with vzw Mar 03 20:01:06 * halfhalo has new pixi plus Mar 03 20:01:18 mmm.. ok Mar 03 20:03:52 hmm Mar 03 20:04:09 I wonder how to get the doctor not to need X11 Mar 03 20:04:33 unison++ Mar 03 20:04:39 very nifty app for syncing dirs Mar 03 20:04:46 without having to set up an rsync Mar 03 20:05:20 jhojho, I've heard there's a headless option... but I've never looked into it, or I could have been misunderstanding Mar 03 20:05:40 Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.awt.HeadlessException: Mar 03 20:07:15 a --help shows --auto and --goback options Mar 03 20:07:50 and a "WebOS Dr. CLI mode" Mar 03 20:10:05 jhojho: try the --auto at the end Mar 03 20:10:41 howdy all, is it possible to enable disk mode before plugging your pre into something? Mar 03 20:10:43 java -jar your_file.jar --auto Mar 03 20:11:12 make sure you have palm sdk for ubuntu installed Mar 03 20:11:18 assuming that's the distro you're using Mar 03 20:11:21 I want to try to use it as a usb disk for my tv but the phone doesn't realise it's plugged into anything other than a charger Mar 03 20:11:34 doohan, there's a key combo, but I don't know if it has to be plugged in already Mar 03 20:11:35 doohan: yes Mar 03 20:11:45 ORNG+SHIFT+U Mar 03 20:11:54 i need the sdk installed?? Mar 03 20:12:11 jhojho, no, you just need novacom Mar 03 20:12:44 the SDK is super handy though, palm-install is the way I always install preware after a doctor :) Mar 03 20:12:59 hmmm no dice djwhitey Mar 03 20:13:04 doh Mar 03 20:13:10 nvm Mar 03 20:13:16 it just brings up the search thing with a capital U and the updates program Mar 03 20:13:18 I was trying to build it remotely Mar 03 20:13:26 and bring it local to run Mar 03 20:13:30 I take it by ORNG you mean the orange button right? Mar 03 20:13:42 YEA Mar 03 20:13:46 oops caps Mar 03 20:13:52 not workin for me though Mar 03 20:14:12 try after plugging into tv? Mar 03 20:14:24 hi, someone help me to install preware on palm pre 2.1? Mar 03 20:14:33 I thought it was SYM and not shift Mar 03 20:14:42 oops yea Mar 03 20:14:50 doohan, try orange+sym+u Mar 03 20:14:50 ORNG+SYM+U Mar 03 20:15:40 seems like it has to be plugged into something though Mar 03 20:15:47 not working for me unplugged Mar 03 20:15:54 hmm Mar 03 20:16:29 maybe theres a program you can launch via the terminal? Mar 03 20:16:35 has anyone tried the meta-doctor scripts with INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES enabled? Mar 03 20:18:15 doohan, if the pre gets a data connection when plugged in it should ask for usb mode Mar 03 20:18:30 if it's only charging, then I doubt putting it in usbmode first will fix it Mar 03 20:26:30 YAY for Jason R's CIMG naming patches! Mar 03 20:30:02 is there a way to find all the apps you've purchased but *aren't* installed? Mar 03 20:30:36 if you made a backup before... Mar 03 20:31:54 that would require significantly more forethought than I possess Mar 03 20:33:07 hm Mar 03 20:33:42 maybe you have a save/restore from your launcher? don't know if it exists Mar 03 20:34:20 it's not a big deal, just seems like it's something that ought to be a feature of the app catalog Mar 03 20:34:31 would be cool, yeah Mar 03 20:35:04 also to check if things which one bought and which you had to remove because of space etc. have new versions Mar 03 20:36:12 yup Mar 03 21:15:06 Howdy folks! Mar 03 21:19:32 EdCates, hello Mar 03 21:19:34 morning Mar 03 21:19:44 good morning Mar 03 21:19:52 Hey RagingMind, rwhitby. Mar 03 21:21:05 oh rwhitby Mar 03 21:21:17 good morning Mar 03 21:21:45 will there ever be a fix for WIDK make stage step? Mar 03 21:30:36 just build the things you need Mar 03 21:30:51 EdCates: I just updated the test scripts. Mar 03 21:38:36 rwhitby: I follow the wiki but I can't find terminus for instance or duke3d? It looks very different than the layout i had some month ago. Mar 03 21:40:02 What's changed, Rod? Mar 03 21:41:19 EdCates: fixed the head and tail for the automasq ones Mar 03 21:42:31 Good deal. Mar 03 21:43:00 need someone to test those for bellmo, telcel, att, verizon Mar 03 21:43:04 I've got the Pre2 up and going, and Blaize's donor Pre- came in the mail today. I should be back at full strength tonight. Mar 03 21:43:20 I can test the verizon one tonight. Need to wrap up and head home right now. Mar 03 21:43:48 ok Mar 03 21:45:33 I can't believe your teaser about "No Step 5!" was up for most of the day, and people were still complaining about unmasqing difficulties. The word seems to be spreading nicely now, though. Mar 03 21:48:28 rwhitby - Do you have the link to the meta doctor page for the sprintpre2 Mar 03 21:50:46 CTLAdvance: top story on webosroundup Mar 03 21:50:54 you're mentioned in it ;) Mar 03 21:50:57 ah great Mar 03 21:51:06 :-) Mar 03 21:51:10 I forgot the commands Mar 03 21:51:18 lol Mar 03 21:51:21 Okay. I'm out for a few hours. I'll catch you guys later! Mar 03 21:57:57 did the PRL thing get fixed in the Sprint Pre 2.1 metadoctor stuff ? Mar 03 21:58:34 not as of yet, at least according to what I read in the thread Mar 03 21:59:06 the option to update it can be enabled, but there's a service involved that isn't present Mar 03 21:59:10 or something along those lines Mar 03 22:07:13 bhuey: can't be fixed with public doctors Mar 03 22:07:21 * rwhitby bbl Mar 03 22:09:48 saw all those new patches available & was excited... ...placeholders :/ Mar 03 22:09:54 really hoping a pre 2 or 3 comes out for sprint as it will force them to resolve all these issues and release it publicly Mar 03 22:10:17 Sprint meta doctor has been stuck on 12% for a while now. Should I be concerned? Mar 03 22:10:36 xcomp: pre-? Mar 03 22:10:38 yeah Mar 03 22:10:49 what is a while? Mar 03 22:11:04 that was my next thing. define 'a while' Mar 03 22:11:06 like ... 15 minutes Mar 03 22:11:12 ish Mar 03 22:12:47 unfortunately I didn't run from term (java was failing to run in my cygwin terminal and I just ran it from an explorer window instead) Mar 03 22:12:59 so I can't see exactly what's happening Mar 03 22:13:47 I did the same Mar 03 22:13:59 I guess you should just wait abit more Mar 03 22:14:22 g'night Mar 03 22:16:06 yeah, that's what I was planning to do Mar 03 22:16:49 looks like it just started moving again. My bad for being a computer control freak Mar 03 22:16:56 15 minutes seems like an awful long time Mar 03 22:17:24 problem solved Mar 03 22:18:14 RagingMind: I told you the commands were reversed! :P Mar 03 22:18:17 hehehe Mar 03 22:18:31 rwhitby: now creating the doctor for Telcel :) Mar 03 22:25:52 hey, wircers Mar 03 22:25:55 joinin the channel Mar 03 22:25:59 lol Mar 03 22:26:23 indeed Mar 03 22:27:54 xcomp: you can see what it's doing Mar 03 22:28:00 it logs to... <1sec> Mar 03 22:28:22 NuttyBunny: thx for the code review Mar 03 22:35:01 xcomp: look for %TEMP%\PalmWebOsRecoveryToolLog0.log.0 Mar 03 22:35:19 rwhitby: I was looking at the code and it just didn't make sense to me :) Mar 03 22:35:24 argh.. no space left.. Mar 03 22:35:53 NuttyBunny: see, open source wins again Mar 03 22:37:25 djwhitey: thanks Mar 03 22:37:29 Of course! it's faster to spot problems when several people looks at the code instead of just waiting for the bugs to popup and try to look for them by just one person Mar 03 22:40:10 if I nano meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 I get nice pretty syntax highlighting. if I nano meta-sprint-pre2-2.0.1, it's all 1 color. what gives? Mar 03 22:41:14 vi works fine Mar 03 22:41:44 hehe.. you're right, odd :) Mar 03 22:41:59 hmm ... I guess I didn't really think this through -- do I have to re-activate on sprint in order to get my profile stuff back? Mar 03 22:42:14 was trying to use it wifi-only Mar 03 22:42:54 hmm. i don't think so. you could use the --wifi-only switch when building Mar 03 22:43:26 yeah that's what i did Mar 03 22:43:41 only because I thought it would force me to activate during first-use Mar 03 22:44:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Step_3:_Run_device-specific_MetaDoctor_script Mar 03 22:44:39 after it comes up, configure a wifi connection, then run the Gesture Tutorial app Mar 03 22:45:17 ahhh... I think I missed that bit Mar 03 22:45:27 then when it looks like it's cycling forever... opt-sym-r Mar 03 22:46:22 yeah I remember seeing it now Mar 03 22:48:01 amazingly my usb partition is intact Mar 03 22:48:21 yep. but if you go back to 1.4.5, it'll get wiped Mar 03 22:49:21 yeah ... as this phone is essentially just a plaything now, that's probably not going to happen Mar 03 22:49:21 Hola all. Mar 03 22:50:02 so, as I was saying... (I began flashing Baby Pre and I was tethering with it) Mar 03 22:50:04 * NuttyBunny reflashes baby Telcel Pre :D Mar 03 22:50:17 * NuttyBunny also edits Plus' palm-build-info accordingly :) Mar 03 22:50:43 I just had an odd experience. I installed PreThemer on Pre+ on WebOS 2.1. Phone slowed. Uninstalled PreThemer patch and now back to normal. Mar 03 22:51:16 ok, ok.. hold on a second... what's with @screwdestiny's last tweet??? Mar 03 22:52:05 at least I think it is... still testing... Mar 03 22:52:44 mmm... and to think that I'm doctoring the Pre... I should have waited :) Mar 03 23:00:09 webOS Internals penguin, excellent :D Mar 03 23:01:23 * NuttyBunny thinks rwhitby should substitute also the hp logos ;) Mar 03 23:02:44 NuttyBunny: that's userspace - there can be a patch for that Mar 03 23:04:24 Argh... now I forgot my gf's profile password... Mar 03 23:05:17 nailed it, sorry... Mar 03 23:06:45 nailed what now Mar 03 23:07:04 I am stuck at sign-in screen anyone wanna help? Mar 03 23:07:07 rwhitby: Excellent, it works, palm.com/profile shows 1.4.5 and Pre Device Info shows 2.1.0 Mar 03 23:07:16 xcomp: I remembered the password :) Mar 03 23:07:18 tjahma: error message? Mar 03 23:07:40 NuttyBunny: I know.. just messing with ya Mar 03 23:07:42 cannot log into my profile, says something about network connectivity but it's ok Mar 03 23:08:35 hehehe... I'm happy I didn't say I nailed her :P Mar 03 23:08:35 djwhitey, I accidently used a preplus doctor with metadoctor to do the update on my pre Mar 03 23:09:58 ah, crap.. I forgot to erase the profile data Mar 03 23:11:58 NuttyBunny: so telcel is good? Mar 03 23:12:08 Argh, no, Pre Device Info doesn't show 2.1.0 Mar 03 23:12:15 lemme chech the file Mar 03 23:12:18 check Mar 03 23:12:39 * rwhitby bbl Mar 03 23:12:39 mmm... odd, it didn't create the file correctly Mar 03 23:16:57 mmm.... seems I had an old palm-build-info lying around the build directory, and the script doesn't do make clobber Mar 03 23:18:42 hey anyone had a phone spazz out cycling charge/not charging on a touchstone--but consistenly after the phone reaches 100%? like i can leave it there and it's dandy but once it's fully charged it goes crazy..? Mar 03 23:18:55 pre2 fwiw Mar 03 23:19:22 I had that with my Pre, I had to make "the operation" Mar 03 23:19:40 i'd write it off as bad touchstone or bad back if it didn't charge normally until 100%, that's the strange thing. Mar 03 23:19:42 NuttyBunny: operation? Mar 03 23:20:34 yes, on PreCentral, try this, grab a business card and stick it between your phone and the touchstone Mar 03 23:20:55 NuttyBunny: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/249420-touch-stone-cycling-issue-possible-solution.html#post2486753 or so? Mar 03 23:20:58 NuttyBunny: (and ty) Mar 03 23:21:37 that's the one Mar 03 23:22:10 NuttyBunny: kk, thank you. Mar 03 23:22:39 * oilsworkn has that every once in a while, just remove and replace it on the touchstone with more care and it goes away Mar 03 23:23:49 oilsworkn: yeah that happens on my device(s) but this seems different, shrug. helping a buddy on this one so partially limited in my ability to test :) Mar 03 23:30:28 blargh... I need to ask Adora a question but she isn't following me on twitter so I can't DM her... Mar 03 23:31:20 Ok, here I go again, reflashing baby Pre :S Mar 03 23:35:08 cryptk: "@Adora why aren't you following me so I can DM you?" tweet would solve that in a few mins im sure :) Mar 03 23:35:36 way ahead of me i see xD Mar 03 23:35:45 indeed, lol Mar 03 23:36:16 after all... I bought her alcohol at SCaLE (don't tell dieter I got her liquored up...) Mar 03 23:36:35 NuttyBunny: test-telcel script definitely removes the palm-build-info file before recreating it Mar 03 23:36:44 lol Mar 03 23:37:35 rwhitby: mmm... but as it didn't do make clobber, the unpacked 2.1 that I had lying around, with a modified palm-build-info, got in the way :) Mar 03 23:37:58 52% Mar 03 23:38:21 ah, right. we don't touch stuff in the unpacked areas. the meta scripts assume they are virgin Mar 03 23:38:29 saves time re-unpacking them each time Mar 03 23:39:03 * oilsworkn has ran into that a number of times and always rm's folders in there before making a new one Mar 03 23:39:24 rwhitby: yep, and that was the problem :) I've already checked the new palm-build-info and it seems fine Mar 03 23:39:53 no, not always, the test versions (at least the Pre one) doesn't erase Mar 03 23:40:02 s/Pre/Telcel/ Mar 03 23:40:03 NuttyBunny meant: no, not always, the test versions (at least the Telcel one) doesn't erase Mar 03 23:41:02 sup Mar 03 23:41:48 hey Mar 03 23:42:41 rwhitby: Do you know if there's a way to force some apps to run with different locale? I'd like to have pmvoicecommand and textassist in es-mx :) Mar 03 23:43:36 * NuttyBunny hates rom check Mar 03 23:43:40 copy the files around in the fs Mar 03 23:43:55 it didn't work :( Mar 03 23:43:57 Hi all, i have a probelm: my usb port is broken, and i need my information off of it. Terminal is install on the Pre, so is there anyway i could ssh into it without a usb cable and download all of my information? (i've been cgarging it through the touchstone, and my gf bought my a used Pre on ebay. Mar 03 23:44:05 at least for the voice command Mar 03 23:44:21 need my information off of the Phone* Mar 03 23:44:33 imop45 SSH via wifi Mar 03 23:45:00 or get wifisync from the app catalog Mar 03 23:46:00 Hmm, i think im going to have to read up on how to ssh on the wiki Mar 03 23:46:54 ZumoDrive works well & 2GB free Mar 03 23:49:08 But i would like all files off of my /internal media Mar 03 23:49:54 rwhitby: and we're up and running!! - 1.4.5 on the profile, 2.1.0 on Device Info. It's just rebooting to confirm my apps (it's a must to delete the backup prior to the relogin tho) :( Mar 03 23:50:21 imop45: I wonder if Internalz would help. Mar 03 23:51:19 i just opened it up actually ltm. I dont believe so, i can email files individually, but i have 6gb of data. Mar 03 23:52:15 So it is possible to ssh into my Pre over wifi, and download all of my files over? (i'm trying to find ssh in the wiki) Mar 03 23:52:44 perhaps you should look for sftp Mar 03 23:54:40 @nuttybunny- sounds perfect! Mar 03 23:55:39 Well, gotta run.. see ya! :D Mar 03 23:56:04 NuttyBunny: I'll promote that telcel test script then. Mar 03 23:56:04 Hmm, winscp looks promising also. Mar 03 23:59:23 ok, i am installing OpenSSH sftp server now. Mar 04 00:01:37 yep, that should work for your situation Mar 04 00:03:57 rwhitby, here to confirm that the doctor we did last night is functioning really well. also running uberkernel Mar 04 00:04:59 i've downloaded winscp.exe, and i'm reading up on openssh. Thanks everyone! Mar 04 00:10:51 * Jack87 cant think of any reason to boot windows anymore and wishes he used linux from the start Mar 04 00:16:49 Jack87: one reason to boot windows- increase global warming rates Mar 04 00:16:56 Jack87: I wished that back in 1997 Mar 04 00:17:05 the dichotomy has just gotten greater since Mar 04 00:17:35 my first computer was in 1999 or 2000 I cant remember but it would of been so nice to be introduced to linux during that time Mar 04 00:17:52 Jack87: I was using Red Hat 4.2 on the box I had in 1997 Mar 04 00:18:12 I bought one of those printed manual+cd combos that used to be common in bookstores in the computing section Mar 04 00:18:30 "Discover Red Hat Linux," I think it was called Mar 04 00:19:42 hehe Mar 04 00:19:57 the internet didnt exist eh? ;) Mar 04 00:20:19 Jack87: book+cd combos were more common when most people's bandwidth sucked... Mar 04 00:20:22 :-P Mar 04 00:20:43 28k modem yay Mar 04 00:21:42 yeah, I'm still kind of amazed how much functionality modern livecd isos pack in Mar 04 00:21:45 56k and bellow was not really the internet. it was silly teaser Mar 04 00:22:03 "The Internet" Demo Mar 04 00:22:08 haha yes! Mar 04 00:22:09 14400 was internet Mar 04 00:22:23 as was 2400...that was the REAL internet :) Mar 04 00:22:34 heh true enough Mar 04 00:22:40 2400 is so many baud Mar 04 00:22:58 * Jack87 used to play half life/ counter strike on 56k Mar 04 00:23:13 when I got cable i was unstoppable :-) Mar 04 00:23:44 * Jack87 not once has paid for dial up Internet Mar 04 00:28:30 rwhitby i met an Australian Mormon on my flight home from scale Mar 04 00:57:13 ~seen rwhitby Mar 04 00:57:16 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 55m 39s, last said: 'yep, that should work for your situation'. Mar 04 01:02:27 ~seen rwhitby Mar 04 01:02:29 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen rwhitby'. Mar 04 01:02:43 oh, there I am. Mar 04 01:03:47 Hey, i'm running into a problem with winSCP: "Cannot initialize SFTP protocal." Mar 04 01:04:45 rwhitby: lol Mar 04 01:05:15 ive generated my keys through terminal and have emailed them, and added them to putty. I'm able to sftp through putty, but i'm wanting to use winSCP. I've followed the instru on setting p sftp. So whats going wrong? Mar 04 01:06:47 i have not downloaded and setup ExpanDrive (SftpDrive) though. Is that the problem? Mar 04 01:08:12 imop45: that's kind of backwards. I would have generated the keys, converted them to openssh's format with puttygen, and copied them to the device instead Mar 04 01:08:28 you don't really want your private key on the device, generally Mar 04 01:08:53 destinal: his USB is broken Mar 04 01:10:12 Yeah, i think im realizing that.... i generated the keys from webos terminal.. Mar 04 01:10:37 imop45: not sure I'd bother, I'd probably just do password based ssh Mar 04 01:12:02 keys are definitely more secure in general but a strong password is IMO a tolerably small risk for something like this especially if you're not allowing ssh over cellular Mar 04 01:13:05 Yes, my usb receiver came unsoldiered of of the board. All i would like to do is copy my 6 GB of /media/internal data over onto my computer, since i have a new Pre replacement. Mar 04 01:13:52 I'm not really worried about security, so the fastest way will work. Its a one time thing ltm. Mar 04 01:15:22 imop45: I would ssh into the device, set a root password with "passwd root" and then change the config file or upstart script that starts openssh not to require keys, then just ssh in with the password Mar 04 01:15:39 then you don't have to mess with getting a key properly into winscp Mar 04 01:17:01 winSCP has the private keys, but cant initialize a sftp protocal. Putty works with the keys too Mar 04 01:17:59 imop45: do you have the openssh sftp server installed? Mar 04 01:18:19 yes, on my Pre. Mar 04 01:19:06 imop45: or, can you just set winscp to use scp protocol instead of sftp? Mar 04 01:19:48 Command 'groups' failed with return code 127 and error message -sh: groups: not found. Mar 04 01:20:12 hmm, actually on second time it worked! wow, thats destinal! Mar 04 01:20:36 imop45: you're welcome :) Mar 04 01:21:06 will scp be faster than sftp? Mar 04 01:21:34 it may be slightly slower to get directory listings and so on, but transferring files will probably be just as fast Mar 04 01:23:01 usually sftp is faster than pure scp Mar 04 01:23:31 imop45: I have a pre with a broken usb connector as well. I plan on taking it apart and soldering on a new connector Mar 04 01:23:42 Oh well, 6 GB will be slow no matter what. Mar 04 01:23:43 it's one of my spare / development devices though Mar 04 01:25:05 This is my main Pre ltm. My gf bought a used one on ebay for $20.50usd. Hey is it safe to copy .palm, .sysservice folders to a new devise? Mar 04 01:26:35 Do any of you guys have the issue of entering the app catalog and NOT seeing the featured apps?? This is on 2.1, masqed as 1.4.5. On a recently doctored device, it shows, but on the other, which I doctored several days ago, I get no apps (just the featu Mar 04 01:26:35 red ones) Mar 04 01:28:03 imop45: the cryptofs stuff will not work just copied like that from /media/internal Mar 04 01:28:15 imop45: different devices have different cryptofs keys Mar 04 01:28:47 imop45: you could copy over the contents of /media/cryptofs though Mar 04 01:29:29 i didnt copy them. what would the point be? i am thinking of possibly copying over palmdatabase.db3 though Mar 04 01:29:36 (though it's probably better so use save/restore instead to back up your data) Mar 04 01:30:00 s/er so/er to/ Mar 04 01:30:02 destinal meant: (though it's probably better to use save/restore instead to back up your data) Mar 04 01:32:07 yes i ran save/restore. But i want my sms's ltm Mar 04 01:32:45 imop45: I've never tried copying database files like that directly. it's usually a bad idea. rwhitby might know better why Mar 04 01:35:34 Profile page showing 2.1? :o Mar 04 01:39:24 anybody? :) Mar 04 01:39:50 I have a theory, I just want to confirm with someone else Mar 04 01:40:28 sup, NuttyBunny? Mar 04 01:41:26 how do you go up in the history in wIRC? :S Mar 04 01:41:39 I said: Do any of you guys have the issue of entering the app catalog and NOT seeing the featured apps??  This is on 2.1, masqed as 1.4.5.  On a recently doctored device, it shows, but on the other, which I doctored several days ago Mar 04 01:41:39 , I get no apps (just the featu Mar 04 01:42:01 meta + q? Mar 04 01:43:17 Do any of you guys have the issue of entering the app catalog and NOT seeing the featured apps?? This is on 2.1, masqed as 1.4.5. On a recently doctored device, it shows, but on the other, which I doctored several days ago, I get no apps (just the featu Mar 04 01:43:17 red ones) Mar 04 01:44:35 what do you mean by saying not seeing the featured apps? Mar 04 01:51:49 empty page, "No applications found" just when I enter the catalog, and just when I doctored I could swear I saw facebook and angry birds :S Mar 04 01:53:47 hmm Mar 04 01:53:50 weird! Mar 04 01:55:50 too weird. I just doctored the Baby Pre and it shows the apps. Mar 04 01:56:48 I'm thinking about the saved data in the profile. I just disabled backups on both devices. No change on the Plus, but maybe tomorrow when the apps get refreshed I see some changes. Mar 04 02:00:20 hee, the baby pre? Mar 04 02:02:35 imop45: copying palmdatabase.db3 files around will cause all sorts of subtle problems Mar 04 02:03:14 Hmm, Ive done it a few times when doctoring on the same device wit the same webos versions... Mar 04 02:06:22 @rwhitby: is there any way to soley copy sms? Mar 04 02:09:30 so what's this talk about 2.1 showing up on profiles fine? Mar 04 02:09:42 Sineot: Baby Pre is the Telcel, and the other is the Plus :) Mar 04 02:09:54 ah, hehe Mar 04 02:11:31 imop45: use save/restore to save them to HTML. There is no restore. Mar 04 02:11:48 imop45: We've been trying to do that for a long time, but no one has nailed it yet :( Mar 04 02:11:49 SineOt: got a Sprint device? Get 2.1.0 profile. Easy. Mar 04 02:12:08 Sprint only at the moment? Mar 04 02:12:17 dtzWill: so where do the sav's go in the latest version of vba? under the vba folder? Mar 04 02:12:18 Only available for WR and Sprint. Mar 04 02:12:47 For other carriers, the latest scripts remove the need for Step 5. Mar 04 02:12:50 "Step 5: There is no step 5" Mar 04 02:13:00 nice. Mar 04 02:13:04 hmm, too bad... So what all goes wrong when you import your sms's from palmdatabse.db3 Mar 04 02:13:11 what magic does it pull to get a working 2.1 profile on Sprint? Mar 04 02:14:59 step five being the unmasqing? Mar 04 02:20:05 SineOt: special voodoo magic Mar 04 02:20:18 I gathered that :p Mar 04 02:20:35 * SineOt is mostly curious if it'll ever end up working on Verizon Mar 04 02:20:37 same technique as is used for the Sprint Pre 2 Mar 04 02:20:54 Just starting my pre to pre plus conversion Mar 04 02:21:04 Ed is testing verizon now. I expect it to fail. Mar 04 02:22:49 how do I download the new scripts? do I redownload meta-doctor? Mar 04 02:23:49 Hm, so it's 2.1 profiles working on a Sprint Pre/Pre+, yeah? Mar 04 02:23:57 why do you expect it to fail? Mar 04 02:24:17 smknutson: git pull Mar 04 02:24:31 SineOt: cause it failed for someone else last night Mar 04 02:24:36 roger, thx Mar 04 02:42:25 hey I got a question..... Mar 04 02:42:46 whew, just got all the tokens Mar 04 02:42:54 is it normal for a pre + to turn off if no sim card is in it? Mar 04 02:43:18 after a cpl minutes Mar 04 02:43:49 I just got it and imma plus my sprint - Mar 04 02:44:19 anyone? Mar 04 02:44:28 has it been activated? Mar 04 02:45:06 I just bougt it off craigslist he upgraded so I don't think so Mar 04 02:45:34 * halfhalo goes to metadoctor a pixi Mar 04 02:45:46 oh, is it sitting at a screen saying to insert the sim? Mar 04 02:46:12 yeah sim check... but I don't have one so it turns off after cpl min Mar 04 02:46:25 ziplocks, Im plussing my pre right now as well Mar 04 02:46:26 is that normal to power down? Mar 04 02:46:30 yes Mar 04 02:46:32 I think that is normal Mar 04 02:46:37 my pre2 did it Mar 04 02:46:51 kk thanks just makin sure ! Mar 04 02:47:34 after I plus it then imma 2.1 it Mar 04 02:47:51 wIRC app ftw you guys rock Mar 04 02:50:08 scored a very nice att + for $100 localy Mar 04 02:51:47 I gotta meta doctor the att pre to bypass sim card check? if I wana run show prop apps? Mar 04 02:52:56 I might just get a att go phone sim card ...hmm cya guys Mar 04 02:53:45 Copying tokens now! Mar 04 02:54:13 Rod question for you sir Mar 04 02:59:38 smknutson: shoot (but responses may be delayed) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 04 02:59:59 2011