**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 04 02:59:59 2011 Mar 04 03:00:46 rwhitby: I put Baby Pre for tests, what's the magic involved? :) Mar 04 03:01:04 What does the magic involve? Mar 04 03:01:08 (that sounded better) Mar 04 03:01:08 NuttyBunny: what tests? Mar 04 03:01:14 no prob rod, on the tokens, for DMSVRoNONCE and DMLoNONCE, I should include the two == at the end of the token correct? Mar 04 03:01:26 smknutson: are you using Show Properties? Mar 04 03:01:40 whatever tests you're doing to get the devices to log on as 2.1 on Palm :D Mar 04 03:01:57 NuttyBunny: remove the dmsets and build info variables in the ARGS Mar 04 03:02:02 show properties? Mar 04 03:02:13 smknutson: what wiki page instructions are you following? Mar 04 03:02:51 do I have to make backups of something on the Pre? Mar 04 03:03:11 I am using livinofframen's post, I could not find the pre to pre plus wiki page Mar 04 03:04:04 please PM him to tell him to fix his post Mar 04 03:04:21 Gotcha. Mar 04 03:04:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre+_on_Sprint Mar 04 03:04:39 Much appreciated Rod! Mar 04 03:04:46 * rwhitby bbl Mar 04 03:05:01 a lot of these things have inaccurate names Mar 04 03:05:11 like that should be move *FROM* a pre- to a pre+ on sprint Mar 04 03:05:17 lol Mar 04 03:05:19 details... Mar 04 03:05:54 quick Q, is there a way to bypas palm profile checking? i'm ready to use my new Pre and sign it, but i dont want all of my info on my old phone being deleted Mar 04 03:05:58 smknutson: so many people talk about plussing a pre like they're making the pre turn into a pre+ somehow, rather than just pulling out its comm board and putting it into a pre+ (sprintifying the pre+ in other words) Mar 04 03:06:14 rwhitby: I should send myself the xml file from show properties, right? Mar 04 03:06:27 Correct dest Mar 04 03:13:31 Time to chop my pres up Mar 04 03:17:54 @rwhitby: What file do i delete so that the Palm Severs won't wipe my old devices profile when i sign in on my new device? Mar 04 03:31:59 Board swab complete! Mar 04 03:32:05 lol swap* Mar 04 03:33:16 your phone hacking skills just leveled up Mar 04 03:33:17 , Mar 04 03:33:24 lol Mar 04 03:34:19 im just surprised I havent lost a screw - normally whenever I dismantle electronics I always lose one screw Mar 04 03:36:41 Doctoring now! Mar 04 03:36:53 Drinking beer, now Mar 04 03:40:34 don't drink the beer until you've verified your success! Mar 04 03:40:47 it'll all end in tears Mar 04 03:40:52 Ive been drinking beer before and during, so... Mar 04 03:40:53 lol Mar 04 03:41:08 if I fail, it means I need one more beer before I proceed Mar 04 03:41:42 50% Mar 04 03:42:14 and I was going to buy an Evo this week... Mar 04 03:42:17 so, as I read, this has no reason to work on the Telcel Pre :S Mar 04 03:42:32 Why not nutty? Mar 04 03:43:18 well, because I don't see any changes and I don't see how it world work... Mar 04 03:43:24 and rod has fallen asleep ;) Mar 04 03:43:28 lol Mar 04 03:47:17 Ahhhhh its a penguin Mar 04 03:47:54 NuttyBunny: I think the 2.1.0 profile stuff is more due to server side changes than client. The automasq stuff is new and does auto masquerade on first signon I think but still results in 1.4.5 or whatever Mar 04 03:48:48 Question: If my palm profile shows 1.40.50, am I clear to flash 2.1.0? Mar 04 03:48:55 on this new Sprint Pre Plus Mar 04 03:49:16 smknutson: just make sure you're using a brand new / updated checkout of metadoctor Mar 04 03:49:36 with the new one you shouldn't need to mess around with masquerade stuff Mar 04 03:49:44 I have all three doctors, just run the script again and make a updated 2.1.0? Mar 04 03:50:00 smknutson: git pull to update, then run script again Mar 04 03:50:08 roger Mar 04 03:51:06 For the Sprint pre plus, run the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script correct? Mar 04 03:51:45 destinal: The automasq is easy, just grab the first line from the 2.1.0 file (the version), and the other 4 lines (some values that are stored on the server), so, the apps use the first line, but the other 4 are for logging onto the server Mar 04 03:51:59 smknutson: make sure the tokens are correct before doctoringg to 2.1 Mar 04 03:52:04 But I don't fully understand how is it that the Sprint Pres are getting 2.1 Mar 04 03:52:12 (on Palm servers) Mar 04 03:52:32 I learned this the hard way and had to doctor about 8 more times to fix it Mar 04 03:52:33 uh oh... data not restored? Mar 04 03:53:05 if you deleted the backup there's nothing to restore Mar 04 03:53:29 i know, but it just gave me a error to retry Mar 04 03:53:42 if you didn't delete your backup, you may get the error Mar 04 03:53:44 now I dont have data Mar 04 03:54:26 I remember seeing this problem... but this is on my pre plus, how do I erase that backup? Mar 04 03:55:44 Ah, this will be a problem.... Mar 04 03:56:01 you have to login on the latest version to be able to delete your backup... Mar 04 03:56:49 I flashed to 1.4.5 Mar 04 03:57:00 so, you should run a 2.1 not masking webos doctor, login to the profile (making it go to 9.9.9), delete the backups, go back to the automasking version, login again Mar 04 03:57:11 I don't think it will let you Mar 04 03:57:17 what does it say? Mar 04 03:57:22 what error exactly? Mar 04 03:57:47 Im logging in now, but this is a Sprint Pre Plus, I cant exactly redoctor Mar 04 03:58:00 lets see... Mar 04 03:58:55 Data Not Restored: We were unable to restore your data. Please wait a few minutes and try again, if you need help visit palm support Mar 04 03:59:10 once you've flashed the tokens once, you can use regular spin doctors from then on Mar 04 03:59:18 hmmm... Mar 04 03:59:19 sprint* Mar 04 03:59:29 ill try that, good idea idontwan2know Mar 04 03:59:31 thank you Mar 04 03:59:36 brb Mar 04 03:59:52 oh, the new sprint procedure... I'm not familiar with that :( Mar 04 04:00:04 also, you could Put the spare comm board in the pre- and delete the backup over wifi Mar 04 04:00:17 if the donor phone was also cdma Mar 04 04:00:22 both cdma Mar 04 04:00:42 but would the sprint phone be activated still? with a verizon board? Mar 04 04:01:16 it'll still boot, you just won't have cell service Mar 04 04:01:30 i see Mar 04 04:04:27 smknutson: so you need a meta-sprint-preplus-2.1.0 script? Mar 04 04:05:07 Rod! Hello, I got the data not recovered error because I didnt delete my fresh backup when I doctored to 1.4.5 to run Show Properties Mar 04 04:05:15 Im doctoring with a stock sprint doctor now Mar 04 04:05:40 do your tokens saw p100eww or p101eww ? Mar 04 04:05:45 s/saw/say/ Mar 04 04:05:46 rwhitby meant: do your tokens say p100eww or p101eww ? Mar 04 04:06:14 my tokens should say P100EWW, thats what I edited the castle.xml with Mar 04 04:06:34 ok, you don't need a different script then Mar 04 04:07:30 my 2.1.0 build is old, it was made on the 2nd day of the 2.1.0 on sprint Mar 04 04:07:54 anything less recent than 2 hours ago is old Mar 04 04:07:55 has the meta-doctor or script been updated in any way? should I run it again to update the .jar? Mar 04 04:08:03 haha roger Mar 04 04:11:28 goodnight all Mar 04 04:14:42 Just used the Verizon Pre Minus to delete my backup... hope that worked Mar 04 04:15:43 should do it Mar 04 04:18:58 Uggh no data connection... restarting to try to clear it Mar 04 04:22:37 No data access... will a reset from the MSL do it on a Sprint Pre Plus? Mar 04 04:25:45 nvm the connection just woke up Mar 04 04:27:08 that backup is pesky Mar 04 04:33:52 wow... no data connection now but i can make calls? Mar 04 04:36:24 is it just me or does sending a message in the messaging app seem to completely lock up the phone for a few seconds? Mar 04 04:36:32 s/me/my device Mar 04 04:36:53 idontwan2know, i experienced that too I thought it was a patch but it hangs for a second Mar 04 04:38:41 phew a reset did the trick... man my heart has jumped several times tonight Mar 04 04:39:03 BTW idontwan2know... THANK YOU for the wifi delete backup tip... that did it Mar 04 04:39:04 seems to be worst when sending SMS messages Mar 04 04:39:08 np Mar 04 04:39:47 now I think I will attempt 2.1.0 on this bastard Mar 04 04:43:04 2.1 definitey doesn't choke and stutter over income messages nearly as bad as 1.4.5 did for me, though Mar 04 04:43:59 incoming* Mar 04 04:48:30 hmmm govnah reads memory/swap on this sprint pre plus as 270/0 did I do something wrong? Mar 04 04:50:13 o.O Mar 04 04:50:31 that doesn't seem right Mar 04 04:50:32 shouldnt it read somewhere near 500? Mar 04 04:51:03 wait, I think the first number is how much memory is being used Mar 04 04:51:25 yeah, it is Mar 04 04:51:30 phew..... Mar 04 04:51:51 is there a program to view system specs? Mar 04 04:53:00 duh memory usage graph... Mar 04 04:58:13 trying 2.1 on it now Mar 04 04:59:54 argh... I'm pissed now... Sprint gets 2.1, and the abandoned sons, Telcel Pre's are still at 1.4.0... :@ And THEY STILL FUCKING SELL THE PHONES!!!!! Mar 04 05:00:48 that's a little ridiculous Mar 04 05:01:24 isn't 1.4 the one with serious security flaws that they updated within a week? Mar 04 05:02:20 hello there ... just got a Pre 2 from Verizon the other day, trying to set up Preware using the instructions at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_on_webOS_2.0 on a linux computer ... lsusb sees the phone, but the command keeps saying "palm-install: no devices found" Mar 04 05:02:54 heatheriac: you may not have enabled developer mode Mar 04 05:03:03 heatheriac: you need the Pre 2 novacom drivers for Linux, which are only available under an early access NDA, believe it or not. Mar 04 05:03:15 oooh Mar 04 05:03:27 didn't know there were different novacom drivers Mar 04 05:03:56 yep Mar 04 05:04:18 if you have a windows or mac available, the drivers for those are in the doctor Mar 04 05:04:30 i do, just don't like it Mar 04 05:04:32 oh well Mar 04 05:04:39 thanks, let me kick over to the windows side of the box Mar 04 05:04:48 you can wash your hands after installing Preware ... Mar 04 05:12:51 Logging into 2.1.0 on a Sprint Plus... Mar 04 05:15:20 this whole no data connection thing at sign in is making me mad Mar 04 05:17:56 weird. I didn't have that problem Mar 04 05:18:22 im getting it everytime, a restart fixes it its just annoying Mar 04 05:18:55 probably because the towers in my area are half-broken Mar 04 05:19:07 I need to call and get my airave switched out for a airave 3G Mar 04 05:20:02 UGGH Data Not Recovered error again... Mar 04 05:20:52 Rod, do you have any information on Palm's servers being flaky today/tonight? Mar 04 05:21:48 So do the new scripts allow app catalog access to 2.0 apps? Mar 04 05:22:15 Abyssul: I heard it is auto-masqing now Mar 04 05:22:48 Yeah, but that doesn't solve the problem of the App Catalog 2.0 apps being unable to download Mar 04 05:23:16 I just didn't know if it just made step 5 redundent or it was an actual improvement Mar 04 05:24:03 ello Mar 04 05:25:02 smknutson: likely it's the old PRL issue Mar 04 05:25:24 Abyssul: for Sprint devices yes. For others, probably not. Mar 04 05:25:48 (well, for other devices, step 5 has been removed, but you still don't get 2.0 apps) Mar 04 05:25:59 Meh, I dont feel like redoctoring my device for 2.0 apps Mar 04 05:25:59 hay rwhitby Mar 04 05:27:53 Abyssul: good call. wait until 2.1 comes out. Mar 04 05:28:58 Enyo apps? Mar 04 05:29:24 Rod, used the updated scripts, but my phone still shows 1.4.5 ... is that normal? Is it auto-masqed or does the file copy process still apply? Mar 04 05:29:40 smknutson: Which device do you have? Mar 04 05:30:17 well actually I guess that would be redundant... Mar 04 05:30:27 Did you do a git pull? Mar 04 05:31:09 did git pull Mar 04 05:31:22 2nd git pull said all up to date Mar 04 05:31:37 device info says 1.4.5 Mar 04 05:31:40 Doesn't sound normal Mar 04 05:32:12 rwhitby: isn't it suppose to do that? Mar 04 05:32:46 I thought it automatically masqed for palm servers but showed 2.1.0 in device info Mar 04 05:33:02 or do I still need to copy the unmasqed file Mar 04 05:33:18 I'd just copy it over Mar 04 05:33:21 Its not a big deal Mar 04 05:35:06 kk Mar 04 05:35:42 rwhitby should know about it though since the new scripts should replace that step Mar 04 05:36:39 new scripts again? Mar 04 05:37:07 If by new script, I mean the ones that were made within the past 24 hours Mar 04 05:37:41 He promoted the new scripts a few horus ago Mar 04 05:37:46 wow Mar 04 05:37:51 didn't know more were made Mar 04 05:37:54 So any git pulls beforehand wont take advantage of the new script Mar 04 05:37:54 I did git pull an hour ago and just remade the doctor Mar 04 05:38:03 That should work Mar 04 05:38:09 What script are you using? Mar 04 05:38:13 ... but its still showing 1.4.5 Mar 04 05:38:21 meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Mar 04 05:42:43 Idk why Mar 04 05:42:56 just copied unmasqed, well see Mar 04 05:43:04 It doesnt hurt to go with the old method of copying it Mar 04 05:43:30 It was funny to see the whole thread light up with "Why does it say 1.4.5!!?" Mar 04 05:43:35 lol Mar 04 05:43:40 Only to tell them to do step 5 Mar 04 05:43:41 but isnt this the 2.1 doctor!!? Mar 04 05:43:50 Exactly Mar 04 05:44:04 Well even when they posted that Step 5 was up and understandable, they just didnt follow directions Mar 04 05:44:27 Now if we could only fix the kernel governors and PDK performance Mar 04 05:44:36 :/ Mar 04 05:44:41 They followed the directions Mar 04 05:44:46 They just didnt finish them Mar 04 05:45:00 true.. Mar 04 05:45:09 Once the phone boot up, they forgot their was a 5th and 6th step Mar 04 05:45:21 omg webos Mar 04 05:45:27 2.1!2.1!2.1! Mar 04 05:45:37 Its not too amazing Mar 04 05:45:40 Just a upgrade Mar 04 05:46:22 well, 2.1 on this sprint plus is better than a pre minus by far Mar 04 05:46:53 Wait, you have a franken pre? Mar 04 05:47:51 yeah, thats what ive been working on all night Mar 04 05:47:57 I think i finally nailed it Mar 04 05:47:59 Nice Mar 04 05:48:16 Yeah, getting the phone to boot is the hard part Mar 04 05:48:21 2.x definately needs 512MB+ Mar 04 05:48:26 Copying that file is smooth sailing Mar 04 05:48:34 Tell that to my pre-! Mar 04 05:48:56 lol Mar 04 05:49:06 I wish I had a plus to dismember ;) Mar 04 05:50:13 found one local on craigslist for 60$ new in box Mar 04 05:50:32 Seems like there are some on ebay for 50 bucks Mar 04 05:50:48 yeah you can get lucky on ebay Mar 04 05:50:51 All I need is for the motherboard to be in tact Mar 04 05:50:57 Idc about the scren Mar 04 05:52:08 Wait, does the sprint comm board go into the plus internals or the other way around? Mar 04 05:52:19 yes, correct Mar 04 05:52:22 I just want to know if the outer shell will still be sprint or verizon Mar 04 05:52:24 sprint board into verizon shell Mar 04 05:52:29 On Mar 04 05:52:39 oh* Mar 04 05:52:49 and then you can use the sprint shell with verizon board as a wifi browser Mar 04 05:52:59 Nifty Mar 04 05:53:11 So I need a newish plus Mar 04 05:53:20 Though it cant be worse than my current pre Mar 04 05:53:39 yeah, cosmetics are up to you Mar 04 05:54:09 and actually, the process was fairly easy if you know how to meta-doctor and dismantle electronics Mar 04 05:54:28 but i had to doctor 4 times to finally get the pre+ to boot into my profile Mar 04 05:54:53 Yeah I did too Mar 04 05:54:58 I know my electronics Mar 04 05:55:03 Now to find a cheap plus Mar 04 06:00:53 Now how do you add wifi-only to bypass activation for a verizon pre minus? Mar 04 06:10:23 append "--wifi-only" Mar 04 06:11:02 in the makefile? Mar 04 06:11:12 bope Mar 04 06:11:14 nope* Mar 04 06:11:19 At the end of the script command Mar 04 06:11:57 so eg: ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0--wifi-only Mar 04 06:11:57 ? Mar 04 06:12:02 "/SCRIPTS/META-SPRINT-PRE-2.1.0 --wifi-only" Mar 04 06:12:06 got it Mar 04 06:13:02 rwhitby: Is there going to be a 2.1 sprint Pre 2 script? Seems a little awkward, but I bet you are probably just waiting for HP to release the 2.1 update to the current Pre 2 base. Mar 04 06:14:27 yep Mar 04 06:14:48 Just curious. Thanks for the reply. Mar 04 06:15:12 Might be going with the Pre 2 + Sprint Pre - mod Mar 04 06:16:13 * rwhitby bbl Mar 04 06:19:39 Abyssul: it really depends (to me, anyway) on how long we go without seeing an official 2.1 Mar 04 06:19:43 for pre2 Mar 04 06:20:03 Makes sense Mar 04 06:20:09 Knowing lately though Mar 04 06:20:17 I doubt we wont see 2.1 til summer Mar 04 06:20:45 we will* Mar 04 06:20:47 yeah, seriously. If we don't see 2.1 for pre2 next week sometime I'd be tempted to make a frankendoctor type deal to modify a 2.1 doctor to run on pre2 Mar 04 06:20:59 hi Mar 04 06:21:14 2.0 is still under NDA and all this mess Mar 04 06:21:25 What makes them want to release 2.1? ha Mar 04 06:21:31 Abyssul: that's my biggest upset with HP right now Mar 04 06:21:39 Oh I dont doubt it Mar 04 06:21:43 It makes no sense Mar 04 06:22:14 How are 2.0 apps even submitted to the catalog then Mar 04 06:22:19 Its all kinds of confusing Mar 04 06:22:44 Abyssul: you have to be special, blessed with a certain bit in your profile that says you are privileged to use 2.0 API's. Mar 04 06:22:46 Abyssul: making api calls isn't exactly the same as disclosing the api. Mar 04 06:22:48 at least so I here Mar 04 06:22:56 s/ere/ear/ Mar 04 06:22:57 destinal meant: at least so I hear Mar 04 06:23:26 netzwurm: the API is disclosed by all the code that implements them being public. Mar 04 06:23:41 haha Mar 04 06:24:17 destinal: well, now. Mar 04 06:25:54 netzwurm: you can't claim it to be secret if anyone can read the code (whether listing apps that call it, some readable services that implement it, or reverse engineering binary code that implements it) either way, if it's publicly downloadable, it's not a secret any more, and the NDA makes no sense at all Mar 04 06:28:03 unless the NDA covers more than what can be see in code, and is not separable. Mar 04 06:29:46 rwhitby: I suppose what's more frustrating is having no public SDK for a public version released on shipping devices in November. The last public SDK's tools don't even work with the pre2.. Mar 04 06:30:41 destinal: oeh, all code can in theory be reverse engineered. by that logic, no NDA makes sense. Mar 04 06:31:11 rwhitby: what's the status of the PRL stuff on the Sprint Pre ? Mar 04 06:31:23 I'm prepping to do the metadoctor update Mar 04 06:31:33 saving media, etc, home Mar 04 06:32:08 the reason why I've been reluctant to try this is because I live in a bad reception area Mar 04 06:32:18 netzwurm: I appreciate that the SDK isn't released and the NDA covers the SDK, but still the SDK has been delayed a really long time Mar 04 06:32:20 so I don't want to be effected by the tower stuff Mar 04 06:32:26 bhuey: will not happen with current publicly available materials Mar 04 06:33:09 ok, so it's incomplete and will stay so until more information is released, eh ? Mar 04 06:34:13 destinal: right. well, i am not really defending the NDA. Not at all, actually. Mar 04 06:34:27 bhuey: the provisioner binary from 1.4.5 will not execute on 2.1 due to changes in the underlying OS Mar 04 06:34:54 rwhitby: that doesn't sound insurmountable Mar 04 06:35:05 just potentially very difficult Mar 04 06:35:36 destinal: you could try to build a 1.4.5 chroot? Mar 04 06:35:52 destinal: we stopped in the chain of missing libraries at the third one Mar 04 06:36:57 netzwurm: basically the task would involve reverse engineering the libraries the app is calling, you could create your own for the binary to hook into. we've done it for very simple purposes in the past but this would be much more challenging Mar 04 06:37:08 probably not practical in a reasonable amount of time Mar 04 06:37:46 that's almost a non-starter here, bah Mar 04 06:38:07 bhuey: unless Sprint releases another webOS phone, I don't see the situation changing. Mar 04 06:38:22 rwhitby: why wouldn't a chroot work? Mar 04 06:39:02 netzwurm: mainly cause the 1.4.5 binary used dbus, and the 2.x binary uses ls2. Mar 04 06:39:08 rwhitby: how badly is this going to effect towers ? Mar 04 06:39:40 bhuey: you're asking an Australian, who does not have CDMA towers any closer than 8000miles. Mar 04 06:39:57 ok Mar 04 06:40:04 rwhitby: for storing the prl? or just for retreiving them? Mar 04 06:40:17 retrieving even. Mar 04 06:40:23 rwhitby: Pssh, nothing a longer antenna couldn't fix :-) Mar 04 06:40:28 ls2? Mar 04 06:40:40 luna-service2 Mar 04 06:41:28 i am quite pleased wherever dbus is eliminated anyway. Mar 04 06:41:56 is luna-service open? and what's wrong with dbus? Mar 04 06:43:04 undrwater: it's a monster. and it's rarely used in a way in which it isn't redundant. Mar 04 06:43:20 anyway, i suppose that's off-topic. Mar 04 06:43:36 undrwater: no, not efficient enough. Mar 04 07:01:48 I had to change my credit ard info in the app catalog, didn't realize I could do that straight from my phone. Mar 04 07:03:24 I figured I should buy the homebrew doc app in case I ever forgot how to install preware :-) Mar 04 07:52:42 any app that can backup memos ... save_restore and palm profile are no gos Mar 04 07:58:14 Not on 1.4.5 Mar 04 07:58:57 grr Mar 04 07:59:55 save/restore can export them to HTML Mar 04 08:00:18 cut and paste to google docs Mar 04 08:00:32 import back using the third-party Notes! app Mar 04 08:01:45 (I think it's that one - choose one that sync with google) Mar 04 08:14:43 hm. is the normal sprint script in current git supposed to give me a 2.1.0 profile? Mar 04 08:16:43 cryptk, ping Mar 04 08:17:12 Jack87, syn/ack Mar 04 08:17:22 :) Mar 04 08:17:32 cryptk, how did your profile test go last night Mar 04 08:17:43 didn't do one... slept instead Mar 04 08:17:45 funny i came on to ask that but it looks like netzwurm is wondering the same thign Mar 04 08:17:57 I was busy all day, then sleepy all afternoon... now working again, lol Mar 04 08:18:04 haha ok cool. I will wait till you come around to it. unless netzwurm is feeling brave Mar 04 08:18:15 netzwurm, I believe those are the results people have been having, yes Mar 04 08:18:42 netzwurm, yes. .i tested it last night. and it made my profile 2.1.0 Mar 04 08:22:19 hm. it didn't do that for me. do i have to revert to 1.4.5 before doing this? (I just doctored over my old 2.1.0). Mar 04 08:22:42 netzwurm, what is your profile when you check on palm profile website Mar 04 08:23:22 profile version that is Mar 04 08:23:33 1.40.50 Mar 04 08:23:50 ok. just make sure you do a fresh git pull of the latest meta doctor Mar 04 08:23:55 and run the sprint script Mar 04 08:24:14 no reverting back to 1.4.5 necessary? Mar 04 08:24:19 nah i didnt Mar 04 08:24:31 alright. i'll give that a shot. Mar 04 08:24:44 I was the first one to test it on a live sprint pre... and had no issues Mar 04 08:24:46 maybe i'll just delete the git tree, maybe there was some old stuff lying around. Mar 04 08:25:23 thats actually what i did.. however the script i used was "test" but rwhitby applied the changes to the actual none-test script Mar 04 08:25:52 rwhitby: Did I got it right in the backlock that you think about a Metadoctor to 2.1 for the Pre2? Mar 04 08:27:30 Jack87: yeah, i don't think there are any test-scripts in the tree right now. Mar 04 08:28:32 netzwurm, nah but the sprint 2.1.0 script should be the same as the one i used now as rwhitby applied the changes from the test script to it Mar 04 08:28:51 Jack87: right. Mar 04 08:28:56 Jack87: well, let's see what happens. Mar 04 08:29:34 Jack87: just for curiosity's sake, how exactly does the new script achieve the 2.1.0 profile? Mar 04 08:32:13 as rwhitby stated... Magic Mar 04 08:32:18 :) thats as far as i know Mar 04 08:32:39 whatever he did... makes it so you skip step five that was documented in the wiki Mar 04 08:32:55 just notivced that the + bug with facebook contacts and german telephone numbers is gone in webos 2.1 Mar 04 08:33:08 very cool Mar 04 08:33:15 Jack87: well, that in itself doesn't explain why the profile server accepts that combination now. Mar 04 08:33:17 now all i need is a terminal app ;) Mar 04 08:33:51 netzwurm, we really dont know that it didnt accept it before Mar 04 08:34:16 Jack87: true. Mar 04 08:34:18 netzwurm, it didnt work for a guy on verizon. so far it has only worked for sprint Mar 04 08:35:01 but as far as i understood rwhitby in the forums, the verizon script does something different anyhow, right? Mar 04 08:35:50 ya apparently its a step closer ( I have not been reading the forums i just had a fresh doctored phone already so had nothing to lose to test for rwhitby ) Mar 04 08:35:53 Jack87: i thought that all the scripts now copy the unmasqued file back after the first boot automatically. however, that would be after the profile login, so that couldn't be the sprint magic. Mar 04 08:37:28 netzwurm, sorry i am doing homework at same time so not too focused here. Its about Epistemology Really lame! so not logical Mar 04 08:41:52 i have a feeling its not being masqued at least not on the sprint one. But do not quote me. i am just skepulating. Mar 04 08:46:38 question.. anyone know if it is possible to create our own keyboard combo key short cuts Mar 04 08:47:40 such as orange/white button + sym + R for restart or orange/white button + sym + P for screen shot.. is it possible to have other combo keys for like luna reboot? Mar 04 08:54:11 Do sombody of you know thw linux command to get a List of the installed fonts on webOS? Mar 04 09:05:22 rwhitby: have folks thought about getting the PRL bits from HP so that folks can make it work ? Mar 04 09:05:33 it's a long shot I know Mar 04 09:09:46 Good morning, the qt Makefile in cross-compile.git contains a patch line (line 18) which is obsolete Mar 04 09:10:12 Can anyone just remove the line or should I send a patch somewhere? Mar 04 09:10:27 s/anyone/someone Mar 04 09:22:11 Ok, there seems to be a lot more obsoleteness around... Mar 04 09:22:30 swid_bk, what is going on Mar 04 09:29:54 I'm trying to build qt for webos :) Mar 04 09:30:43 I thought there was just a problem with the Makefile but theres more ahead, so I'll just try to fix as much as I can and then send a patch for all of it Mar 04 09:31:48 coolness... who first started the qt project? maybe you can touch basses with them? Mar 04 09:32:48 Touch basses? That sounds naughty :) Mar 04 09:32:58 base? Mar 04 09:32:59 Yeah, I'll try to Mar 04 09:33:04 :l Mar 04 09:33:21 The source is pulled from gitorious, I'll start there Mar 04 09:34:09 bhuey: Sprint would have to approve the release, since it interacts with the Sprint network Mar 04 09:54:39 * Jack87 thinks sprint would rather have people by new devices rather than hang on to old PREs.... than they can tack on that SMART Phone $10 fee they are applying to all new smartphone activations Mar 04 09:54:52 buy** Mar 04 09:59:08 swid_bk: when you have a complete patch, we can hook you up with git access Mar 04 10:00:47 rwhitby: ok, yeah, interesting Mar 04 10:01:07 bhuey: in other words, don't hold your breath waiting Mar 04 10:03:05 yeah, I have to consider if it's worth doing since I occasionally roam with Verizon on certain networks Mar 04 10:10:43 rwhitby: I'll speak up when I got something Mar 04 10:15:43 Related: in support/download.mk, when handling git checkouts (line 100) the build system tries to call 'git log ${VERSION}'. I don't understand the ${VERSION} variable, can anyone shed light on that Mar 04 10:17:57 what is... ##OMADM# (66236) (CMDA only) Open Mobile Alliance Device Management provisioning. MSL is required. Mar 04 10:18:18 I know what it is, I just don't understand what it does in the log command Mar 04 10:23:09 swid_bk: ${VERSION} will likely be a tag Mar 04 10:24:09 that command is used to get the timestamp of that tag, so that the tarball can be marked with the same timestamp Mar 04 10:24:43 The Last Modified date in package metadata is then reconstructed from the timestamp of the tarball. Mar 04 10:26:33 rwhitby: yeah I know, the whole thing works once I remove ${VERSION}, otherwise it crashes the build with: fatal: ambiguous argument 'v4.7': unknown revision or path not in the working tree. Mar 04 10:26:59 this might be special to the qt build though because it's not in a good shape Mar 04 10:27:14 swid_bk: we always build off tags in git Mar 04 10:27:47 rwhitby: which package that builds from git can I use as a reference for fixing the makefile? Mar 04 10:29:22 the qt Makefile only specifies a branch. And the branch ${VERSION}-stable (4.7-stable) doesn't even work as the webos gfx driver is missing in that tree Mar 04 10:29:43 master has the gfx driver so I'm trying to build from that Mar 04 10:30:10 swid_bk: you'll need to talk to the maintainer for the qt packages then. All I can tell you is what the support/download.mk is expecting Mar 04 10:30:27 ok Mar 04 10:30:32 I'll fix stuff Mar 04 10:30:38 could take a while though Mar 04 10:31:28 email addresses for the committers should be in git. ask me if you cannot determine one. Mar 04 10:32:58 rwhitby: Ok, I'll mail Tyler Mar 04 10:33:32 It's building. I'm happy. ...until it breaks :) Mar 04 10:33:42 the widk is like that Mar 04 10:34:01 I guess it is. I like it :) Mar 04 12:10:59 * rwhitby bbt Mar 04 15:43:02 Can anyone tell me why the power drain is so high on my Sprint Pre Plus? airplane mode, brightness down, stock kernel, its still drawing -18mA?? and wont charge.. Mar 04 15:47:27 off of a wall charger directly into pre? Mar 04 15:50:29 broken charger? Mar 04 15:50:48 I've had the little cylinder die on me before Mar 04 15:53:09 nope, another charger same deal, its like theres a wall at -18mA Mar 04 15:55:13 nvm I know what happened Mar 04 15:57:21 wtf now meta-doctor wont let me 'make unpack' Mar 04 15:57:32 "nothing to be done for 'unpack' Mar 04 16:02:37 Looks like the copy from windows to ubuntu chopped off one character from BATToRSP Mar 04 16:08:25 can i just edit the castle.xml and remake the 2.1.0 doctor? will that work? Mar 04 16:10:04 hm. which feed should gnu patch be in? Mar 04 16:10:11 Dang that must be what happened to me Mar 04 16:10:25 smknutson: that should work Mar 04 16:10:37 tried it, im doctoring now Mar 04 16:11:05 what is the process to bypass activation on my verizon pre minus I made? Mar 04 16:11:52 use the --wifi-only switch when you run the meta script Mar 04 16:12:13 ok, and what if I only want to make a 1.4.5 doctor? Mar 04 16:12:57 (questions I know...) and will the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script work for a sprint shell with verizon comm board? Mar 04 16:13:53 if only doing 1.4.5 doctor, read the meta doctor Wiki page Mar 04 16:14:18 see the options in the Makefile Mar 04 16:14:22 ok Mar 04 16:17:01 should I use a verizon pre or sprint pre doctor version for the Vzn Pre Minus Mar 04 16:25:40 Anyone? Mar 04 16:28:54 hm. weird. i have the webos-internals preware feed and yet I can't get gnu patch to show up in preware. Mar 04 16:29:03 or any of the packages in that feed for that matter. Mar 04 16:29:21 though it looks like it should be there from manually browsing through the repository. Mar 04 16:41:28 the update of optware-xxx? (forgot the name) failed on my Pre2 (/var/opt/ not empty) and now I have a steady flow of space-char key-press events Mar 04 16:41:44 I takes no input from the keyboard Mar 04 16:42:15 in Preware the search line appears and the cursor moves to the right quite fast Mar 04 16:43:55 what the heck? gnu patch isn't in the webos-internals packages.gz? Now I am confused. Mar 04 16:44:14 netzwurm, lemme take a look Mar 04 16:48:25 cryptk: it is in the armv7 directory, but the respective packages.gz has no entry for it. Mar 04 16:50:42 yeah, I am looking into it Mar 04 16:51:03 cryptk: thanks. Mar 04 16:51:28 we have had a few autobuilder issues lately Mar 04 16:52:09 Question: I left off one character from BATToRSP, how can I fix this? completely wipe meta-doctor directory and start from scratch? will that work? Mar 04 16:53:14 hey Mar 04 16:55:52 yeah, that is one way Mar 04 16:56:00 probably the easiest if that is what you are familiar with Mar 04 16:56:44 cryptk: well, for now i can just pull the package and use palm-install. Mar 04 16:56:58 yeah Mar 04 16:59:15 cryptk: btw. is there any advantage of using palm install over a simple ipkg install? Mar 04 16:59:34 one doesn't require you moving the ipk to the phone, and then novaterming in... Mar 04 17:01:33 interesting. maybe patch got removed from the feed because /usr/bin/patch is provided by busybox already? Mar 04 17:03:14 netzwurm: didn't used to be but is now Mar 04 17:03:45 destinal: right. Mar 04 17:04:01 destinal: does busybox ship with 2.1.0 by default? Mar 04 17:04:13 destinal: that would mean a lot of patch packages would have to update dependencies, right? Mar 04 17:04:29 smknutson: use meta-sprint w/ the --wifi-only option for that sprint pre- with the unused vzw comm board Mar 04 17:04:38 busybox has been in all versions of webos, as a basic part of the openembedded distro it's based on Mar 04 17:05:12 destinal: ok. so 2.1.0 patch packages can remove dependencies on gnu patch. Mar 04 17:05:15 which tools they have included in their build of busybox as varied Mar 04 17:05:19 destinal: should, even. Mar 04 17:05:20 has varied Mar 04 17:05:57 destinal: would it be possible for webos-internals to provide a dummy package for the transisition? Mar 04 17:06:06 where can I join the linphone testing group Mar 04 17:06:12 netzwurm: I haven't looked at the feeds Mar 04 17:06:17 re patch and 2.x Mar 04 17:06:37 destinal: well, webos-internals/armv7 doesn't have patch in the packages.gz anymore. Mar 04 17:06:37 * NuttyBunny wonders how many models has Palm freed from the version restrictions (like Sprint)... I'll try to login with Telcel directly to 2.1.0 Mar 04 17:06:56 abegee: +1 - i'd like to get in on that too Mar 04 17:08:06 bitflung : phone power recently decided to allow sip, which would be awesome for me Mar 04 17:08:54 ahh - never used them - i've got an old gizmo5 account i'd be testing with Mar 04 17:09:52 used it extensively on my nokia devices - they've got sip out of the box - now i'm on webos i'm missing it Mar 04 17:09:53 netzwurm, can you check it now? Mar 04 17:09:59 see if it is showing in Packages.gz Mar 04 17:10:56 cryptk: yes it is. Mar 04 17:11:25 cryptk: but that wouldn't solve the problem that there is a conflict with busybox on 2.1.0 unless the package is changed to install to a different prefix. Mar 04 17:11:33 abegee: so on the low end phone power is $15USD/month? Mar 04 17:11:46 cryptk: or install a /usr/bin/patch-legacy or whatever instead of /usr/bin/patch. Mar 04 17:11:49 or do they have a free or per-minute option too? Mar 04 17:11:56 netzwurm, I didn't know about that problem Mar 04 17:12:05 cryptk: sorry, i just found out. Mar 04 17:12:06 not that it's a problem exactly Mar 04 17:12:08 btw, I still don't know what caused that... I just re-ran the autobuilder manually Mar 04 17:12:09 bitflung: post paid, prepaid is $9 a month Mar 04 17:12:33 cryptk: sure it wasn't removed on purpose to avoid clashes with palms new build of busybox? Mar 04 17:12:42 netzwurm: no one will ever be hurt by running the real gnu patch instead of the busybox imitation Mar 04 17:12:51 * bitflung glad i got in on gizmo5 per minute billing when i did - my $20 top up from almost 2 years ago still has $10 left Mar 04 17:12:56 if it was removed, then it would have been done in the autobuild process Mar 04 17:13:02 destinal: right, but the package won't install as long as there is a file-conflict. Mar 04 17:13:18 destinal: yay debian. Mar 04 17:13:40 otherwise removing it manually wouldn't do anything, the autobuilder would just put it back Mar 04 17:14:06 actually, nevermind. Mar 04 17:14:20 ipkg installs straight to usr/bin instead of the cryptfs. Mar 04 17:14:26 so actually, they can coexist. Mar 04 17:14:31 cryptk: thanks for your help anyway. Mar 04 17:15:43 ok, the update of optware bootstrap killed my openssh installation on my Pre2 Mar 04 17:16:00 fun Mar 04 17:17:04 mmm... too good go be true :) Telcel still gives 9.9.9 with stock 2.1.0 installation ;) Mar 04 17:17:06 netzwurm: it's ipkg rather than dpkg Mar 04 17:17:06 for me, ssh'ing out from the pre keeps seg faulting Mar 04 17:17:13 now I'm going to remove all optWARE PACKAGES AND REINSTALL Mar 04 17:17:24 ups, sry Mar 04 17:17:27 destinal: right. same thing, really. Mar 04 17:17:34 netzwurm: it's not really debian at all, the file format is just especially similar, the packager itself is not Mar 04 17:17:45 the log file for the deinstalltion complains about /opt/lib etc not found Mar 04 17:18:24 netzwurm: basically the itsy folks reused the debian package format for a totally new package manager that's a lot more lightweight and simple Mar 04 17:18:24 destinal: yeah. much like the playbook is quite similar to webos. Mar 04 17:18:33 destinal: i know. Mar 04 17:18:45 destinal: but they reused that package format for a reason. Mar 04 17:18:59 destinal: anyway. Mar 04 17:21:13 cryptk: how long until all the feeds are rebuilt? Mar 04 17:21:25 whatcha mean? Mar 04 17:21:39 the autobuild is already done Mar 04 17:21:40 cryptk: well, the Packages for webos-patches is empty now. Mar 04 17:22:06 what webos version? Mar 04 17:22:40 2.1.0. though i was probably wrong. i looked at Packages, not gz. Mar 04 17:23:23 nope, it is broke also... Mar 04 17:23:24 wth Mar 04 17:24:04 I'm pretty sure I didn't do it.... Mar 04 17:24:10 nope, not you Mar 04 17:25:51 * purplin avoids blame again! Mar 04 17:28:58 ok, fixed that one Mar 04 17:29:26 cryptk: thanks. Mar 04 17:30:16 Argh! The usb cover on Baby Pre just fell! :S Mar 04 17:32:49 mine fell off months ago Mar 04 17:33:44 Hey chuqui Mar 04 17:34:26 I like the cover so I might as well fix it. After all, I've taken it apart several times (my gf dropped coffee all over it) :S Mar 04 17:34:45 does modeswitcher work on 2.1.0 yet? Mar 04 17:36:33 now there is only optware bootstrap for my Pre2 available? Mar 04 17:36:43 where are all the optware package gone? Mar 04 17:36:44 NuttyBunny: yo Mar 04 17:36:56 hi chuqui Mar 04 17:37:57 MetaView, I have lots of optwaer available Mar 04 17:37:59 optware-bootstrap is version 1.0.0 is this really the latest version for webos 2.0.1? Mar 04 17:38:05 how do I join the linPhone testing group Mar 04 17:38:17 cryptk: also after a refresh of the feeds? Mar 04 17:38:24 I had more before too Mar 04 17:38:32 MetaView, yes Mar 04 17:38:44 and no 1.0.0 is not the latest version, 1.5.2 is Mar 04 17:38:58 which is what I got on my Pre2 running 2.0.1 on sprint Mar 04 17:39:24 hm, what's then wrong with my Pre2? Mar 04 17:39:37 what webos version is reported in Device Info Mar 04 17:39:45 it all start with the update of optware-bootstrap Mar 04 17:40:06 2.0.1 Mar 04 17:41:14 very unhelpful Mar 04 17:41:16 oh, another refresh brought me back 19 packages Mar 04 17:41:35 abegee, the people working with linphone are not on now Mar 04 17:41:37 MetaView: the feeds are all messed up right now. Mar 04 17:41:40 they are mostly overseas Mar 04 17:41:41 I installed the optware 1.0.0 before, maybe it fixed something? Mar 04 17:42:04 and on a second note, we are not here to bend to your every whim and answer every question immediately when you ask Mar 04 17:42:10 netzwurm: but I need my ssh-server back... Mar 04 17:42:24 it is called a community, not a " abegee is ruler of all and most important " Mar 04 17:42:36 cryptk: no?? damn...i'd better leave Mar 04 17:43:48 nah undrwater we always answer your questions because you aren't pushy Mar 04 17:44:08 cryptk: thanks Mar 04 17:44:28 cryptk: and because i'm your overlord :) Mar 04 17:44:32 haha! Mar 04 17:44:47 abegee, try again in about 10 or so hours, they should be on then Mar 04 17:45:14 maybe even 5 Mar 04 17:45:44 puh, the ssh server is back Mar 04 17:48:43 gah, don't close preware! stupid phone Mar 04 18:28:17 just took my first call on the pre+ Mar 04 18:29:01 nice Mar 04 18:29:13 first time using a pre? Mar 04 18:29:43 yeah...i bought it as a backup for my android device...but it's more fun... Mar 04 18:29:50 i'll use it as a weekend phone Mar 04 18:29:54 well, welcome to webOS Mar 04 18:29:59 thanks :) Mar 04 18:30:21 it reminds me a bit of my openmoko Mar 04 18:31:51 hm.. question: aren't ipk files just tar.gz files? b/c when I try tar tvzf on one tar doesn't recognize it Mar 04 18:32:11 m-h-k: try ar Mar 04 18:32:38 ah Mar 04 18:32:46 thanks undrwater Mar 04 18:33:00 np Mar 04 18:33:00 undrwater: hmm, I agree--I find android kind of unfun Mar 04 18:33:31 wgreenhouse: it's surface fun...not as deep fun...if you get my meaning Mar 04 18:35:27 maybe so. I find webOS hackier, and I like its UI concepts better. as a command line fan, I love that almost anything on the phone can be accomplished just with typing, if you want Mar 04 18:36:22 i haven't gotten too much into the hackier part :) Mar 04 18:37:15 but i definitely agree with the UI concept, and the ease of getting to, and using the CLI Mar 04 18:37:27 i never could stand android until recently, it's alright, but nothing compared to webos imho Mar 04 18:37:59 now that my girl has an android phone... i find it a little more bearable.... but mostly just because I wanna port my apps over Mar 04 18:48:55 Android and iOS seem like fraternal twins born of the same bad idea Mar 04 18:50:32 does anyone have an unactivated pre sitting by them and want to see if what I just did will bypass activation for it as well? Mar 04 18:52:00 wgreenhouse: how do you see android and iOS related? Mar 04 18:55:34 they both go too far in the direction of making very powerful devices act like toys--they hide too much complexity from the user Mar 04 18:55:59 and they don't have a natural way of letting the user do multitasking easily, like Card View in webOS Mar 04 18:56:14 I hashed into the device info and chose to restart the phone and after selecting english when it loaded it took me right past activation and profile login Mar 04 18:57:53 does that make sense? Mar 04 18:58:27 UzHans: without sim card? Mar 04 19:01:33 this is on a sprint pre that I have upgraded to 2.1 without cell service. today I did a app/data erase but couldn't get past signing into a profile w/o evdo until I did the restart from the device menu Mar 04 19:02:26 UzHans: sounds good...i know i was looking for a way to get around that without sim card earlier Mar 04 19:03:41 @undrwater I know...it actually shocked me when I saw the app launcher. It's probably the only way to do an erase w/o terminal access of some sort Mar 04 19:04:03 Wouldn't you have to have wifi profiles loaded or else you could never sign into profile? Mar 04 19:05:42 UzHans: were you able to sign in with wifi afterwards? Mar 04 19:05:50 that is why one must be able to get to the app launcher prior Mar 04 19:06:03 yes, I used the gesture app Mar 04 19:06:48 it's been a long time since I've used IRC, how do I direct my message at your username? Mar 04 19:07:32 most clients you can type the first few letters and then hit the tab key Mar 04 19:07:40 and it'll auto-complete Mar 04 19:07:48 I'm using wIRC on my pre Mar 04 19:08:00 oh, then I have no idea :) Mar 04 19:08:13 UzHans: orange-gesture completes nicks Mar 04 19:09:11 what's an orange gesture? Mar 04 19:09:31 "orange" is the key with a squarish thingy on it Mar 04 19:09:37 gesture meaning the gesture area Mar 04 19:10:08 (i.e. the area below your touchscreen) Mar 04 19:10:35 ahh...thanks :) Mar 04 19:11:17 the key is actually orange on pre minuses Mar 04 19:11:48 undrwater: got it! Mar 04 19:12:04 :D Mar 04 19:12:54 anyone else using a pre - with 2.1? Mar 04 19:12:58 I think I've figured out why Palm has stuck with the 3x3, absurdly large icon layout in the launcher Mar 04 19:13:55 idontwan2know:it better be good Mar 04 19:14:17 they're so proud of finally getting the launcher to scroll smoothly that they want you doing it as much as possible Mar 04 19:14:41 :D Mar 04 19:14:59 i'll bye that :) Mar 04 19:22:42 I'm curious if since I have a spare pre if I can clone the ESN and have one run 1.4.5 and the other 2.1 Mar 04 19:22:59 I'm going to assume it is illegal Mar 04 19:24:15 hi Mar 04 19:24:31 hi Mar 04 19:27:54 hi Mar 04 19:29:45 Can someone tell me what it is that's under NDA? I keep seeing it :3 Mar 04 19:29:51 And by that I don't mean break the NDA :P Mar 04 19:29:59 I mean tell me what it is people aren't allowed to talk about Mar 04 19:30:14 bleh...I'm not explaining my question very well xD Mar 04 19:30:40 pixi with uberkernel is shiny Mar 04 19:31:20 needs stacks tho Mar 04 19:31:45 NDA: Non Disclosure Agreement, some developers signed a NDA that doesn't allow them to talk about certain things that are on early access Mar 04 19:31:52 betas and stuff like that Mar 04 19:32:52 So...the stuff that's just been released on the front page of PC uses those betas and that's what the dev is talking about at the bottom of the post? Mar 04 19:40:22 hm. the thing where the voicedial app can't be removed from the first launcher page, is that a webos 2.1 bug/feature or is that an artefact of the meta-doctor? Mar 04 19:42:09 nemunaire, i can move it.... must me your phone Mar 04 19:43:23 Jack87-: i can move it too. but on reboot, it's always back on the first launcher page. Mar 04 19:53:33 seems like changing the appinfo.json and telling it that the type is web fixes the problem. Mar 04 19:53:43 and voicedial still works... Mar 04 19:55:21 what was it beforeß Mar 04 19:55:22 ? Mar 04 19:57:29 MetaView: sysmgr something (rebooting now so don't know) Mar 04 19:57:44 MetaView: to be clear, the app itself might not work anymore. the voice dialing works. Mar 04 19:58:13 aeh, sysapp something. Mar 04 19:58:56 sysmgrbuiltin Mar 04 20:00:20 netzwurm: thx Mar 04 20:01:39 any idea on what's going on there? Mar 04 20:04:14 apps of this type might be not movable? Mar 04 20:04:17 don't kno Mar 04 20:04:20 w Mar 04 20:05:02 so holding down volume works for voice dial, but the app from the launcher doesn't start anymore. Mar 04 20:05:09 probably a permissions problem. Mar 04 20:05:30 since the icon provides no extra functionality, i might as well toss it. Mar 04 20:05:37 yes, maybe Mar 04 20:06:55 the clean way would probably to find out what permissions are missing and then set them manually with ls2 or something. Mar 04 20:07:09 for the application specifically instead of the application type. Mar 04 20:07:37 then again, maybe it's something to do with jailing and then you might not be able to do that. Mar 04 20:10:07 do you have a jail entry in /etc/ for this type? Mar 04 20:13:53 MetaView: no. but the appinfo types don't match those types anyway. Mar 04 20:13:59 MetaView: at least not in any immediate way. Mar 04 20:14:35 MetaView: interestingly, the voice dial app is also the only app with that type i have. Mar 04 20:15:03 MetaView: which makes me think that the doctor it comes from might have the infrastructure for that. Mar 04 20:15:15 MetaView: but my meta-doctored doctor doesn't. Mar 04 20:15:19 just a guess. Mar 04 20:31:12 So has anyone started playing with enyo? Mar 04 20:33:49 so my Voicedial comes from the official doctor which is also the one I am flashing... I mean I have an O2 Pre- which can use the official O2 Pre+ doctor, only mod is to remove the hardware model check Mar 04 20:33:58 and it still clings to the first launcher page Mar 04 20:35:04 and I thought I had messed up something.. I am glad to hear this is a general issue Mar 04 20:36:05 is there anything to play with then regarding enyo ? Mar 04 20:36:21 what is enyo? Mar 04 20:38:59 Enyo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsZX2dJW5Ss Mar 04 20:39:10 undrwater: Enyo is HP Palm's new framework for webOS 3.0, but is under NDA. Id check out the YouTube channels for more info. Mar 04 20:39:46 Xuzzers: looking at it now...thanks :) Mar 04 20:40:39 * NuttyBunny grabs his webOS book and continues coding his new app Mar 04 20:47:01 yes, it does look very promising Mar 04 20:49:33 but no one touched it yet Mar 04 20:50:01 m-h-k: i just moved the appinfo.jason to appinfo.json-backup in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.sysapps.voicedial (or something like that)/ Mar 04 20:50:15 m-h-k: since the icon does the same as holding down the volume button. Mar 04 20:50:25 m-h-k: i decided to just get rid of it until this is fixed. Mar 04 20:50:48 netzwurm: ok so renaming the appinfo-json makes the icon disappear? Mar 04 20:51:03 m-h-k: yeah. that seems to be what the launcher scans for icons. Mar 04 20:51:14 ah, and no side effects other than that? Mar 04 20:51:30 m-h-k: well, you can't use the icon if it's gone. Mar 04 20:51:40 like I need it Mar 04 20:51:52 but volume down works fine to make a call with voice-command. Mar 04 20:52:04 ok great, will try that. Mar 04 20:52:12 m-h-k: possibly it won't show up in just type. Mar 04 20:52:21 m-h-k: in fact, that is a likely side effect. Mar 04 20:52:40 yeah well I do not need that either ;) Mar 04 20:52:48 if I want to get to voice dial I just press the button Mar 04 20:53:25 man...i forgot how finicky applying a screen protector is to the rounded edges of the pre Mar 04 20:53:47 idw2k, yeah, I've been there just yesterday Mar 04 20:54:37 just gotta keep working it as it dries Mar 04 20:55:11 hm. mine is coming off around the edges. Mar 04 20:56:40 need to get a pre2 to be able to apply protectory ;) Mar 04 20:59:16 i don't understand that pre2 on sprint thing. i mean, if you got one for free, i suppose, but isn't the pre2 still very expensive for a small improvement in hardware? Mar 04 20:59:35 or am i missing something? it's like $300 minimum, right? Mar 04 21:00:00 developers can get a free one, and lots got $200 coupons Mar 04 21:00:18 idw2k: what qualifies you as a developer? Mar 04 21:00:34 an app in the catalog, I think Mar 04 21:00:54 that isn't much of a hurdle. Mar 04 21:01:00 nope Mar 04 21:01:12 i suppose i get it now, then. Mar 04 21:01:24 time to get coding. Mar 04 21:02:14 tons of - er - "fartapps" to qualify for a free pre2? Mar 04 21:02:35 heh Mar 04 21:02:46 well, it has to be good enough to get approved Mar 04 21:03:20 which is not hard at all if you know what you're doing Mar 04 21:03:31 but difficult enough to deter most Mar 04 21:04:04 "soundboard deluxe".. pf seems easy enough Mar 04 21:05:58 "Triangle Area Supercalc".. another free Pre2 :) Mar 04 21:06:48 it may require more than that, but that's what I've heard Mar 04 21:09:33 heh...just noticed the usb door broke off this new pre plus sometime today Mar 04 21:09:40 i didn't even know it happened Mar 04 21:10:37 yeah I never figured why they build this flimsy thing Mar 04 21:10:54 s/build/built/ Mar 04 21:10:54 m-h-k meant: yeah I never figured why they built this flimsy thing Mar 04 21:10:57 some how when i plug my usb into my palm pre it won't go into usb i don't even see the icon Mar 04 21:11:05 can i force it into usb Mar 04 21:11:27 you mean recovery mode? Mar 04 21:12:36 Josef, have you tried rebooting the PC? I have managed to get USB stuck on the host side, and whatever I plugged in, it did not recognize anything Mar 04 21:15:45 there, he rebooted ;) Mar 04 21:16:08 :D Mar 04 21:16:57 hm, this is weird. One, or some of my google contacts did not sync to 2.1 Mar 04 21:17:15 they are on my 1.4.5 phone and in thunderbird and in google, but not the 2.1 phone Mar 04 21:52:50 netzwurm: the vendor rootfs packages and the preware packages are in different ipkg databases - there is no dependency resolution between them Mar 04 21:54:45 rwhitby: what was that in response to? Mar 04 21:56:14 rwhitby: ah, the patch thing. yeah, i figured that out. Mar 04 21:57:29 if there is a problem with the output of the autobuilder, it is not related to what packages are on the phone. Mar 04 21:58:03 probably more related to server issues that the sysadmin team are still working on since last night. Mar 04 21:58:40 rwhitby: right. i didn't think it was. Mar 04 21:59:18 rwhitby: i first thought maybe patch had been removed from the repositories because it's no longer required (though gnu patch is nice). Mar 04 21:59:36 rwhitby: that was before I saw that some of the Package.gz files were simply empty. Mar 04 21:59:44 Packages.gz. Mar 04 22:00:50 netzwurm: which one in particular? Mar 04 22:05:44 quick question. hopefully a silly one! How can I install "bypass first activation" without activating the phone on a carrier. Mar 04 22:07:39 In order to use webosquickinstall, the phone needs to be in developer mode but I can't put it into developer mode because I am stuck at the activation screen. Mar 04 22:08:02 Tried searching the forums but still doesn't make sense Mar 04 22:11:13 rwhitby: first webos-internals, then optware, then webos-patches i think. Mar 04 22:11:28 rwhitby: they all came back eventually. Mar 04 22:11:37 though individual packages were sometimes missing. Mar 04 22:12:41 is anything incorrect now? Mar 04 22:12:47 rwhitby: any links or tips for my above problems? Mar 04 22:13:09 rcube: use meta-doctor and --wifi-only or automatically install wifi profiles Mar 04 22:13:29 oh boy, ok. thought there was an easier way. Thanks! Mar 04 22:27:06 rcube: still here? Mar 04 22:29:40 rcube: earlier today I was able to bypass by hashing into the device info (##helphelp#) and doing a phone restart from there. not sure why it worked but it did. Mar 04 22:31:44 UzHans: interesting Mar 04 22:36:47 Loudergood: I thought so. I'm driving right now if you e-mail me I can share the details later hans109h at tds.net Mar 04 22:50:34 has anyone figured out why the flash ipk that gets created using http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/276703-how-get-flash-legacy-devices-2-1-0-a.html has such issues being installed? Mar 04 22:54:01 You'd need to ask Jason that. Mar 04 22:54:12 It installs with Preware doesn't it? Mar 04 22:55:55 rwhitby, I haven't tried it since I redoctored my phone, but I still see people in the thread having odd issues Mar 04 22:56:07 like having to install, uninstall, and reinstall Mar 04 22:56:21 when using Preware to install? Mar 04 22:57:02 when I tried I used quick install, and I'm hesitant to try again because I finally have my phone in a state that I'd kinda like to keep for a while Mar 04 22:58:00 which is why I was asking if anyone had played with it Mar 04 22:59:18 sorry, can't help with quick install. closed source software, so not allowed to discuss the internals of it. Mar 04 22:59:58 well, probably could reverse engineer it, but not worth the effort. just use preware to install things. Mar 04 23:01:35 rwhitby, since the last doctor all my email have a big black box in them rather than its actuall conent Mar 04 23:01:37 the easiest instructions I've found so far use preware to install the package and quick install for the patch Mar 04 23:02:14 I'm all for using preware, I'm more worried about what the ipk would do to my phone if it's having weird issues like that Mar 04 23:02:21 why are we discussing a closed source application? Mar 04 23:02:35 RagingMind: yep, and it someone submitted the patch to patches.webos-internals.org you could do both with Preware Mar 04 23:02:40 I don't like things being in an ambiguous state, especially on my phone's file system Mar 04 23:03:04 ka6sox: nothing wrong with that - I use many closed source applications every day. Mar 04 23:03:19 RagingMind: agreed Mar 04 23:03:43 ka6sox, this is a webos related channel, we talk about many closed source components all the time ;) Mar 04 23:09:25 rwhitby, any idea what might be causing the black square? Mar 04 23:09:34 nope Mar 04 23:09:39 is this something you witnessed before? Mar 04 23:09:50 did you wipe your profile before upgrading? Mar 04 23:10:23 does jason come in irc? Mar 04 23:10:25 this profile was originally created on 2.xx Mar 04 23:10:47 than masqed on a 2.1 pre as 1.4.5 Mar 04 23:11:15 than after our testing went back to 2.1 profile. Mar 04 23:11:38 but all emails that open instead of showing content it just has a black box. it is really odd I have never seen it Mar 04 23:12:25 i did mess with patches a bit but ran EPR this morning and results are still the same I cant remember if i had black boxes or not directly after we doctored it the other night Mar 04 23:19:01 RagingMind: I've installed the flash ipk with preware succesfully a few times. wosqi has thrown an error everytime Mar 04 23:23:35 I guess the worrying part is that the package doesn't work with quick install and they are put together by the same guy Mar 04 23:29:05 yes Mar 04 23:29:12 the irony is not lost Mar 04 23:34:30 i just noticed that there's x available in preware...and qtlibs... Mar 04 23:35:01 does the pre have usb otg? Mar 04 23:35:04 hehe yes. you can run x in a card! Mar 04 23:35:31 it runs in a card! :D now that's cool Mar 04 23:35:56 dtzWill, is the mastermind behind it. Mar 04 23:36:31 undrwater: it does not. Mar 04 23:36:49 rwhitby: ah well Mar 04 23:37:05 rwhitby: just for clarification...does not otg, correct? Mar 04 23:37:25 correct. device only. no host, no otg. Mar 04 23:37:50 :( Mar 04 23:42:48 weird... my sysvinit script works on my other computer, but when I copied and pasted it from the wiki to this computer I get an error Mar 05 00:00:09 Hi, im tring to use the Linphone app, i found it in the git repository and used palm-package to generate the ipk, installed and run the scripts in the readme file, but the service shows theres a permission problem and creating permissions manually in /var/palm/ls2/roles/ didnt work Mar 05 00:00:33 could someone help or there are other instructions i should follow? Mar 05 00:01:06 Moris: what is your device and sip provider? Mar 05 00:01:37 Pre 2 with an Asterisk server Mar 05 00:02:30 Moris: see /msg and report in the precentral thread Mar 05 00:02:44 thanks Mar 05 00:03:02 to build it, you need to look in preware/build.git/nonworking/linphone/Makefile Mar 05 00:29:21 ello Mar 05 00:30:25 owdy Mar 05 00:30:44 ows it goin? Mar 05 00:31:01 ell Mar 05 00:31:08 ine Mar 05 00:31:09 freeTether questions asked where? here or #webos Mar 05 00:31:13 ood Mar 05 00:46:31 PatrickC_Pre, here Mar 05 00:52:57 does BT Tether work on the Pixi-? Mar 05 00:53:18 * Jack87 doesnt own a pixi but cant imagine why not. Mar 05 00:53:47 PuffTheMagic, wrote freeTether and he uses a pixi so i would assume yes Mar 05 00:53:53 it wouldn't work with giving a iTouch 3gen/4gen internet or iPad 1gen Mar 05 00:54:45 PuffTheMagic: ping! Mar 05 00:54:47 PatrickC_Pre, Not via BT no. as I dont think those devices will creat a PAN (BT Network) with the pixi. But than again i dont own an ipod touch or ipad Mar 05 00:55:11 the iPad didn't even discover the device Mar 05 00:55:27 PatrickC_Pre, is it a sprint pixi? Mar 05 00:55:33 yep Mar 05 00:55:47 but my friends phone found my Pixi Mar 05 00:55:50 prolly not happening Mar 05 00:56:13 ok :'( Mar 05 00:56:23 * PatrickC_Pre needs a sprint pixi+ Mar 05 00:57:20 go bug IOS hackers and see if they have figured out how to enable BlueTooth PAN on these things Mar 05 00:57:41 the pixi will creat the pan network fine question is if you can get the other devices to connect to it Mar 05 00:57:49 I will :p Mar 05 00:58:05 chances are you will need to "jail break" Mar 05 00:58:13 if its even possible that is Mar 05 00:58:45 I'm checkin Mar 05 01:01:18 they dont even know what "BT PAN" is :p Mar 05 01:01:54 PatrickC_Pre, http://www.ithinkdiff.com/tether-your-iphone-internet-connection-over-bluetooth-with-ipadipod-touch-or-mac-using-itether-jailbroken-devices-only-212342/ Mar 05 01:02:10 looks like if you use a program called itether you can get it to see your pixi Mar 05 01:05:02 so... i know there were controls for a little while in freetether that have been removed, but does anyone know of a non-terminal way of enabling debug/passthru mode on webos2? Mar 05 01:06:11 RagingMind, ##USBPASS# in phone app. but it asks for a code Mar 05 01:09:01 RagingMind, i think you can find the USB Pass Through app and unhide it by editing the app info file Mar 05 01:09:52 isn't there a patch in Preware? Mar 05 01:09:54 there's a patch for the older versions that isn't available for 2x :( Mar 05 01:10:21 edit appinfo.json? Mar 05 01:10:25 RagingMind, look up the old patch and manually make the changes according to it. or.... creat a patch Mar 05 01:10:30 PatrickC_Pre, yes Mar 05 01:10:45 how hard is it? Mar 05 01:10:49 I don't make changes that I have to manually remember that I made (like editing files) Mar 05 01:11:18 RagingMind, use memos app and make yoruself a sticky haha Mar 05 01:11:55 RagingMind, its a really simple change from hide to not hide Mar 05 01:12:43 RagingMind: what OS is your desktop? Mar 05 01:13:01 Debian GNu/Linux Squeeze Mar 05 01:13:23 RagingMind, haha its a simple VI edit i dont think you have much to worry about Mar 05 01:13:26 check in the webOS PDK folder and see if there is a "nova-browser" in there Mar 05 01:14:25 PatrickC_Pre, PDK on linux? I was playing with getting the Mac os one on my computer Mar 05 01:14:32 and there was a nova-browser thing Mar 05 01:14:39 but I deleted that a while ago Mar 05 01:14:46 you need that.... Mar 05 01:14:54 Jack87, I understand that it's a simple edit, that's not my issue Mar 05 01:14:58 PatrickC_Pre, no I don't Mar 05 01:15:01 and are you talking mac on linux Mar 05 01:15:06 for the file editing you do Mar 05 01:15:09 or internalz Mar 05 01:15:20 or I can novaterm in like I am right now Mar 05 01:15:31 idk how to do it via novaterm Mar 05 01:15:39 PatrickC_Pre, novaterm/novacom and just vi Mar 05 01:15:49 PatrickC_Pre, vi == linux text exiting program Mar 05 01:15:54 the nova-browser is java and it's one of the few things from the mac PDK that I could verify as working on my linux system Mar 05 01:16:25 I don't run linux (yet) do idk about anything on it Mar 05 01:16:42 hehe its on the phone it self (runs linux) Mar 05 01:16:42 and did you say "Mac PDK on Linux?" Mar 05 01:17:35 the text editor Mar 05 01:17:37 PatrickC_Pre, Yes I did say that Mar 05 01:17:54 so, I can run Mac programs on Linux? Mar 05 01:17:58 no... Mar 05 01:18:18 but you can run java programs (cross platform) and lots of the palm tools are java Mar 05 01:18:54 so, I can't run the iOS SDK on linux? Mar 05 01:19:10 heh. there's already a hidden_appinfo.json and a visible_appinfo.json in the directory Mar 05 01:19:27 PatrickC_Pre, that you definitely can't. last I knew there wasn't even a windows version Mar 05 01:19:37 RagingMind, intresting Mar 05 01:19:41 there isn't :'( Mar 05 01:20:08 and the appinfo.json matched the hidden_ one exactly Mar 05 01:20:31 so looks like I don't even have to edit... I can just replace the file with the hidden or visible version Mar 05 01:20:35 make a copy of the visible one and call it appinfo.json replacing the one you have there now Mar 05 01:20:45 what do they contain? Mar 05 01:21:04 RagingMind, personally i would edit (haha i think it is just a change of one charactor) Mar 05 01:22:19 it's changing one line to "true" from "false" and a couple other changes Mar 05 01:23:03 cool.. i guess just replace it with a copy of the visible one than. Mar 05 01:23:04 the visible_appinfo.json file also has something in it that looks like it flags it as removable, and is lacking a a line that marks it as "noWindow" Mar 05 01:23:29 I'd rather trust that they knew how to set up the file, so I'd trust the one they provide Mar 05 01:23:53 fingers crossed :) Mar 05 01:24:06 not a big deal hard to hurt it since a back up is already made for you Mar 05 01:24:19 yea Mar 05 01:24:28 jack87 has a backup for you :) Mar 05 01:25:02 PatrickC_Pre, that is always there yes.. but looks like palm already made a back up on the phone for that file called hidden_appinfo.json Mar 05 01:25:26 palm/hp? what do we say now Mar 05 01:25:35 it still doesn't solve my issue with this method Mar 05 01:25:43 RagingMind, whats the issue? Mar 05 01:25:49 didnt you want access to the app? Mar 05 01:25:57 I hate having to remember that I made changes like this, cause in 4 months I'll forget and try to do something that conflicts Mar 05 01:26:19 lol i highly doubt you will conflict with this change Mar 05 01:27:37 or you can make it into a patch yourself. jsut diff the two files you have there. creat the patch and submit as an update for the original compatibable with 2.1 Mar 05 01:30:09 RagingMind, that will solve your problem no? (although i really dont think you will do anything to conflict with it anyway in 4 months) Mar 05 01:42:54 well it shows up but still wants a code Mar 05 01:43:46 lame Mar 05 01:44:53 what happens if you you just turn hide to false from the original appinfo.json file instead of replacing it with the visible_appinfo.json Mar 05 01:50:48 Jack87|Away, nuthin... there's more to the original patch Mar 05 01:51:15 I found the part in the other file, but the line numbers are different Mar 05 02:01:55 so I have it working... and if I knew how to make a patch I could I guess Mar 05 02:02:03 metaview: ping! Mar 05 02:02:13 awesome! Mar 05 02:03:07 hi all, I was wondering what file I need to delete so my old device's palm profile won't be deleted by Palm's Server. Mar 05 02:04:05 not sure.. Mar 05 02:04:12 rwhitby: ping! Mar 05 02:05:26 rwhitby would know. Mar 05 02:05:37 yep Mar 05 02:05:47 or oil: ping! Mar 05 02:05:58 puffthemagic: ping? Mar 05 02:06:12 sugardave: ping ping ping ping!!!! Mar 05 02:06:15 PatrickC_Pixi: that beheviour will get you kicked Mar 05 02:06:33 ok sorry Mar 05 02:06:33 yes def. Mar 05 02:06:37 wtf? Mar 05 02:06:47 lol Mar 05 02:07:16 the pinging multiple people? Mar 05 02:07:39 the being annoying ltm. Mar 05 02:07:41 * oil puts on op hat Mar 05 02:08:15 hehe, I got connected to my pre's modem from my computer Mar 05 02:08:20 * halfhalo puts on party hat Mar 05 02:08:21 HA Mar 05 02:08:42 so I'm guessing I should be able to use the modem directly this way and skip the usbnet thing Mar 05 02:09:12 good thing rwhitby remembers how to do that Mar 05 02:09:31 haha Mar 05 02:09:51 do what? lol Mar 05 02:11:33 I've researched it on the wiki and google, and couldn't find it. Mar 05 02:11:49 well... when the pre is in passthrough mode is uses 8003 as the dev id (8004 is normal, and 8002 is dev mode) Mar 05 02:12:35 SO! it should be easy to make a rule to load usbserial.ko with the right arguments when the pre is plugged in with pass through enabled :) Mar 05 02:13:10 time to go play with my gps though, I'll come back to this later Mar 05 02:20:15 I'll come back later if ya'll want me to. Mar 05 02:20:54 Imop45: you need to remove your profile account, and reboot Mar 05 02:21:22 I won't be saying how to do that in a publicly logged channel, since it can be used to subvert application purchases. Mar 05 02:21:31 (not implying that's what you're doing) Mar 05 02:23:29 rwhitby: :( Mar 05 02:24:22 rwhitby: that's silly. there are a lot easier ways to subvert application purposes. Mar 05 02:24:31 s/purposes/purchases/ Mar 05 02:24:31 destinal meant: rwhitby: that's silly. there are a lot easier ways to subvert application purchases. Mar 05 02:25:20 That makes sense, but I'm solely wanting to keep my information on my old device. I don't use palm catalog apps that much, no interest. Mar 05 02:25:37 that's like saying, I'm not going to show you how to use a crowbar because you might use it to break into someone's house Mar 05 02:26:06 this is clearly a legitimate use and those who have non-legitimate uses will find easier ways Mar 05 02:26:46 Or sell knives, b/c it might be used to murder someone sometime by somebody. Mar 05 02:27:23 Or rope for that matter.. Mmm rope. Mar 05 02:28:11 Imop45: especially because if you're trying to subvert application purchase you can just copy the contents of cryptofs much easier. oops, did I say that in a logged channel? Mar 05 02:28:32 I'm sure no one would have figured it out otherwise Mar 05 02:29:18 no, omg, no.. rwhitby is going to use a crowbar to break into ur house and a knife to cut your internet connection off! Mar 05 02:29:35 Imop45: lol Mar 05 02:30:08 No way it's that easy. seriously I just copy a friends cryptofs to my device and I can use their apps? Mar 05 02:30:48 destinal: (If someone knows what cryptofs means, they probably could figure it out) Mar 05 02:30:56 Imop45: is it really that non-obvious? I really don't want to encourage privacy but cp or scp has never struck me as a 31337 hacker tool Mar 05 02:31:16 s/privacy/piracy/ Mar 05 02:31:16 destinal: but you don't need to copy the cryptofs, just the contents Mar 05 02:31:17 destinal meant: Imop45: is it really that non-obvious? I really don't want to encourage piracy but cp or scp has never struck me as a 31337 hacker tool Mar 05 02:31:22 destinal: then you obviously have not been on irc long enough Mar 05 02:31:22 I really can't type today Mar 05 02:31:39 I figured apps were locked down better than that Mar 05 02:31:41 heh Mar 05 02:31:58 shh Mar 05 02:32:19 RagingMind: why? they're not locked down better than that on mac osx or windows for instance Mar 05 02:32:27 That's ridiculous. welp palm probably doesn't care that much then. Mar 05 02:32:37 Imop45: it's not at all ridiculous IMO Mar 05 02:33:40 then again, they probably think that it's going to be such asmall percent that roots in the first place, so how much $ are they actually going to loose. Mar 05 02:33:40 destinal: there is a difference between the right to free speech, and the right of others to decide what free speech they wish to speak. Notice that my sentence started with "I", not "You". Mar 05 02:33:42 computers are fantastically fast data copying machines and nobody has ever come up with a way to prevent that that doesn't get cracked in practice Mar 05 02:35:26 Not until their data becomes a unique tangible matter (then again our bodies replicate dna perfectly) Mar 05 02:35:39 rwhitby: I understand you're not censoring others, I just think not talking about a useful technique yourself for that reason given the circumstances was walking rather far around it Mar 05 02:35:58 (for little benefit) Mar 05 02:36:25 RagingMind, good work... sorry the patching process is different than what I am used to otherwise i would help you make one Mar 05 02:36:42 I have no problem with talking about it but I've never actually done it and don't remember what file you have to edit / remove to stop profile based wipes Mar 05 02:36:59 or I did it a long time ago and forgot :) Mar 05 02:37:42 * NuttyBunny wonders what sentence did rwhitby started with "I" not "You" ;) Mar 05 02:37:53 Eh, yeah I just want my photo's and sms's and the like to be acessible, and maybe another wifi onnectable device. Mar 05 02:38:16 NuttyBunny: so Telcel 2.1.0 is a no-go? Mar 05 02:38:35 RagingMind, what is the goal with USB pass through you are trying to achive? Mar 05 02:38:46 NuttyBunny: there's always the logs if you're curious. basically rod didn't want to publish in a public place vis a vis the logs how to prevent profile wipes because he wouldn't want the technique harvested from there and used in piracy (someone logging into phone after phone to install all their apps for instance) Mar 05 02:39:16 Jack87, using my phone as a modem would be nifty Mar 05 02:39:22 rwhitby: No, it didn't work :( And chuq didn't want to tell me anything about it ;) Mar 05 02:39:31 and figuring out what this "GPS" passthru stuff is would be nice too Mar 05 02:39:45 NuttyBunny: well, of course he can't. it's quite rude to even ask him. Mar 05 02:39:45 if I could use my phone as a GPS connected to my computer... :D Mar 05 02:40:09 destinal: ah, ok, I thought the conversation was recent Mar 05 02:40:19 NuttyBunny: yeah just before you came in :) Mar 05 02:40:54 RagingMind: I'd like to make a GPS service for bluetooth SPP Mar 05 02:41:06 destinal, that would be cool too Mar 05 02:41:10 rwhitby: I know, I just asked if he may know something... he just answered that there were no announcements yet :( Mar 05 02:41:11 then you could use it with your phone or laptop like a portable bt gps Mar 05 02:41:29 since I have a terrible time getting gps on my phone, but my bluetooth gps is great Mar 05 02:41:46 Nuttybunny: very recent ltm. I just don't want my profile wipped. Mar 05 02:42:10 RagingMind: heh, I hadn'; thought about going the other way and using an external bluetooth gps on webos, I was more thinking of sharing the webos devices built in gps over bt Mar 05 02:42:15 to act like a bt gps device Mar 05 02:42:20 but both would be cool Mar 05 02:42:27 RagingMind, whats wrong with using it as a USB ethernet device? Mar 05 02:42:28 destinal, ah... that would be cool too Mar 05 02:42:38 ugggh. anyone have an idea why UK and F105 slow to a crawl and then lockup forcing the pre to reboot? stock kernel is acting fine... Mar 05 02:42:42 destinal, have you played with the GPS pass through? Mar 05 02:42:59 Jack87, because that puts your computer behind a NAT and some things don't like that Mar 05 02:43:00 RagingMind: I've done USB passthrough a long time ago Mar 05 02:43:04 smknutson: you might have a weakling processor Mar 05 02:43:12 but I never tried to get GPS data out of it Mar 05 02:43:43 uggh didnt want to hear that Mar 05 02:43:52 heh. Mar 05 02:43:53 NuttyBunny, you are indeed correct it would be very useful esspesially for me when i try to attach my main profile two franken devices but would like my data to stay safe on my "main Mar 05 02:44:10 Is bluetooth fast enough for that? I've always thought bluetooth was slow and clunky. Mar 05 02:44:45 I ran it overclocked last night just fine. today after a new doctor session it started acting up Mar 05 02:44:45 smknutson: what mhz is it slowing down at? Mar 05 02:45:05 Jack87: That's what I did when I was testing a new profile... after Rod & friends managed to mask the versions, I did return to my normal profile and kept buying apps :) Mar 05 02:45:22 RagingMind, gotcha.... hum... the whole gps thing would be way handy! Mar 05 02:45:44 UK and F105 were at 1Ghz. ran 1Ghz last night fine. could it be a corrupt or damaged file Mar 05 02:46:02 so it's either playing with iptables or directly accessing the modem from the computer to dial out Mar 05 02:46:02 destinal, it's easy to get the linux usbserial driver to load the passthru ports, and I was playing with the modem earlier (just ati0 and stuff) Mar 05 02:46:06 Yeah, you could use a better google maps client (on a laptop x example) than the one Google gives us :P Mar 05 02:47:58 does anything happen at 800mhz? Mar 05 02:48:48 * Jack87 should be doing online exam Mar 05 02:49:23 didnt get a chance to test 800. I'm going to load UK again and see what she does. Mar 05 02:49:40 I'm on a verizon Pre+ so there's tons of room for the GPS to improve Mar 05 02:50:02 though it looks like the 2.1 update did a little... just haven't played with it much to really test it Mar 05 02:50:16 yes I agree Mar 05 02:52:54 Argh, I miss my desktop.. the netbook lags for just about everything :( Mar 05 02:53:21 * Jack87 used 2 netbooks for about 7 months straight and was happy Mar 05 02:54:27 me too, but I'm trying to uncompress 2 dvd's and view a video at the same time... it just doesn't cut it :) Mar 05 02:54:51 on the other hand, I have it running on my monitor at 1600x1200 and it's a real beauty with compiz :D Mar 05 02:54:52 haha ya Mar 05 02:55:06 NuttyBunny, acer has dual core ones now.. like $300 bucks at costco. me want **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 05 02:59:56 2011