**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 07 02:59:57 2011 Mar 07 03:05:50 Anyone active? Mar 07 03:05:56 yes Mar 07 03:06:17 I have a question about the 2.0 patch update project page Mar 07 03:06:22 does uberkernal work on its own? Mar 07 03:06:42 NickNick, halfhalo knows alot about that Mar 07 03:06:49 I'd like to contribute, but am wondering what the best approach is: email patch authors individually and ask them to update the wiki? Mar 07 03:06:52 af12093487, details oplease Mar 07 03:07:16 like Mar 07 03:07:20 what happens when i install Mar 07 03:07:22 NickNick: post a message in the author's thread for that patch, stating your intention to submit an update. Attach the updated patch. Mar 07 03:07:27 after i restart Mar 07 03:07:57 NickNick: if they don't respond within 24h, then you submit the patch. if you wish to add your name to the maintainer list, add it after a comma at the end. do not remove any existing names. Mar 07 03:08:06 because the app itself is just an update collection... Mar 07 03:08:24 af12093487: have you read the PHD information on overclocking? Mar 07 03:08:26 af12093487, after you install uberkernel with preware it should start working, install govnah to configure Mar 07 03:08:31 i see Mar 07 03:08:39 and i understand, yest Mar 07 03:08:41 yes* Mar 07 03:09:35 yeah it boots with safe/sane defaults Mar 07 03:09:45 NickNick: please add that recommended flow to the top of that wiki page Mar 07 03:09:50 thats what i was wondering Mar 07 03:10:11 i didnt realize it and govnah co-mingled, so to speak Mar 07 03:11:00 rwhitby: I've never used IRC before. Do the dashed boxes surrounding the text mean you're sending that message directly to me? Mar 07 03:11:02 af12093487: Note that both packages have a homepage link in Preware which has full documentation of each. I assume you've read that already? Mar 07 03:11:53 NickNick, depends on what client you use :S Mar 07 03:12:00 im thinking not, which is why i have not adjusted anything Mar 07 03:12:24 i read all the warnings/info and such Mar 07 03:12:35 but i havent got the documentation from the app catalog yet if that is what you are wondering Mar 07 03:12:42 scoutcamper: Opera. Sorry, just never experienced IRC before. Mar 07 03:12:50 af12093487: the homepage link for each in the Preware description. click on it. Mar 07 03:13:03 ohohohoh Mar 07 03:13:30 NickNick, i have no experience with opera, i use X-Chat 2 Mar 07 03:13:35 rwhitby: apologies for not being clearer. I have no developer skills, but would be glad to help spur updates to the 2.0 patch project page, if you think that is helpful. I'll add that workflow now. Mar 07 03:13:53 NickNick: thx Mar 07 03:14:18 af12093487: and why haven't you got the documentation app yet? Mar 07 03:14:35 just havent Mar 07 03:14:50 wasnt really looking to do a whole lot just yet Mar 07 03:14:57 only get a few things, see what was available Mar 07 03:15:10 af12093487: it answers every single question you have had so far ... Mar 07 03:15:16 :D Mar 07 03:15:38 you can imagine how we feel answering those same questions each time for every new person ... Mar 07 03:16:32 since you're getting all this software for free, you have an obligation not to waste the time of those providing it ... Mar 07 03:16:56 im not trying to waste anyones time Mar 07 03:17:07 just merely asking questions, if those are willing to answer Mar 07 03:17:19 well you're not reading the documentation provided ... Mar 07 03:17:56 i dont pay the phone bill Mar 07 03:18:08 otherwise i would have gotten it first thing Mar 07 03:18:29 af12093487, it doesnt go on the phone bill, it goes on the credit card Mar 07 03:18:38 well, that too Mar 07 03:18:52 and I was actually referring to the homepage links for each of the apps in Preware Mar 07 03:18:58 oh and yeah Mar 07 03:19:00 i see those now Mar 07 03:19:05 but i wasnt aware Mar 07 03:20:45 rwhitby: I added it, but it will flow better if i re-structure the introductory text a bit too Mar 07 03:21:55 NickNick: please do Mar 07 03:36:25 does anyone know why the meta-doctor won't do anything for me besides tell me that it's charging my phone?? Mar 07 03:36:45 Well, what percentage is your battery at? Mar 07 03:36:49 anyone else having trouble with their camera with the overclock in place Mar 07 03:36:58 100% battery Mar 07 03:37:05 JetUni17_: do you have the phone in recovery mode as the wiki page now recommends? Mar 07 03:37:12 yes Mar 07 03:37:17 fudge: known issue, testing a fix now Mar 07 03:37:22 oh ok :) Mar 07 03:37:32 JetUni17_: did you hand-copy tokens? Mar 07 03:37:39 no Mar 07 03:37:49 would love to be a tester if possible Mar 07 03:37:55 JetUni17_: dunno then Mar 07 03:38:07 fudge: you already are, right? you're using the testing feed Mar 07 03:38:14 heh Mar 07 03:38:19 yeah :P Mar 07 03:38:32 I'm trying to doctor to 2.1.0 again now that I've cleared my profile. I'll see how it goes. Mar 07 03:47:57 I've updated the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2.0_Patch_Status_Project page header with the process to edit that page and obtain or release an updated patch Mar 07 03:49:21 Beautiful. 2.1.0 has accepted my old profile. Mar 07 03:51:05 congrats KGF2009 Mar 07 03:51:20 did your games get transferred too? Mar 07 03:52:15 Hasn't rebooted yet. Mar 07 03:52:25 I deleted my server-side backup so.. Mar 07 03:52:40 As long as it still marks my games as 'bought', I'm happy. Mar 07 03:52:51 I've added a link to the wiki page on the precentral forums page for the patch status project: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/269267-webos-2-0-patch-upgrade-verification-project.html Mar 07 03:53:29 Perhaps someone can sticky that post? I'm going to add a link to that wiki from the 2.1 upgrade page Mar 07 03:54:24 That's already been done: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Caveats Mar 07 03:54:29 Oh, I stand corrected. It's downloading my apps now. Mar 07 04:01:17 Ah, what'd I miss? Mar 07 04:01:20 your apps are back KGF2009? Mar 07 04:01:24 nothin :P Mar 07 04:03:36 Yes, they're downloading now. Mar 07 04:03:42 awesome Mar 07 04:07:08 So what can I help test now? Mar 07 04:56:44 hay all Mar 07 04:56:57 hey PatrickC_Pre Mar 07 04:57:23 how's it goin undrwater? Mar 07 04:57:32 metaview: you here? Mar 07 04:59:09 ok. preware keeps telling me there is an update to an app, but there isnt Mar 07 04:59:33 I've checked it on 2 different devices, and there is no update to said app Mar 07 05:00:12 used my pre+ this weekend as primary phone :) Mar 07 05:00:28 awesome Mar 07 05:01:26 it was...minor problems with consistent network connectivity...is this typical? Mar 07 05:02:55 hay undrwater: srry pre locked up Mar 07 05:02:58 what were you using? Mar 07 05:03:28 was the 2.0 sdk released? Mar 07 05:04:11 PatrickC_Pre: browser, app called Where, google maps... Mar 07 05:04:27 got a lot of spinny circle things Mar 07 05:04:53 if i backed out, then restarted, it would sometimes work Mar 07 05:05:10 i am using uberkernel on 2.1...i think i'll try underclocking and see if that helps Mar 07 05:05:13 ?? what are you talking about? Mar 07 05:05:14 sorry Mar 07 05:05:24 pre locked up, lost the convo on that one :p Mar 07 05:05:30 inconsistent network Mar 07 05:05:42 ahh ok Mar 07 05:05:50 hehehe Mar 07 05:06:01 that's kind of funny Mar 07 05:06:02 what about the "spinny circle things" Mar 07 05:06:12 I try ;) Mar 07 05:07:13 oh...just that nothing is happening in the network apps...just lots of spinny circles...the "waiting" ui Mar 07 05:07:22 anyone have any idea on my preware problem? Mar 07 05:07:30 2.1? Mar 07 05:08:37 are you working on anything undrwater? Mar 07 05:09:02 no Mar 07 05:09:29 are you a dev? or just an avid hacker? Mar 07 05:09:31 lol Mar 07 05:09:41 but shr just released RC3! Mar 07 05:09:55 i'm a social worker :) Mar 07 05:10:07 what's shr? and RC3? lol Mar 07 05:10:10 obsessed with "stuff" :) Mar 07 05:10:15 social worker hmm.. lol Mar 07 05:10:26 hello all Mar 07 05:10:35 shr is an embedded OS based on FSO (a middleware) Mar 07 05:10:43 shr runs on the pre and the openmoko Mar 07 05:10:55 FSO? (googles :p) Mar 07 05:11:08 rc3 is the third release candidate :) Mar 07 05:12:23 and it does what? Mar 07 05:13:39 makes phone calls :) Mar 07 05:13:44 and other stuff Mar 07 05:14:01 but it's an OS, rite? Mar 07 05:14:06 yes Mar 07 05:14:21 with phone stack Mar 07 05:14:22 so, it replaces webOS? Mar 07 05:14:32 you can dual boot Mar 07 05:14:45 dualboot phone??? awesome!! Mar 07 05:15:27 you can youtube search for shr on palm pre Mar 07 05:15:31 see it in action Mar 07 05:15:49 * PatrickC_Pixi goes to youtube app now Mar 07 05:17:38 watching now Mar 07 05:18:35 so, you are set up for dual boot? Mar 07 05:18:50 how hard is it/what are the benefits? Mar 07 05:19:47 haven't done it yet...probably this week Mar 07 05:20:11 doesn't seem too hard...but that's for someone who worked with shr with the openmoko for quite a while...ymmv Mar 07 05:20:11 what are the benefits? Mar 07 05:20:38 benefits? not sure yet...certainly webos is way more poslished...but shr is way more linuxy Mar 07 05:21:06 like "build a meta doctor" linuxy? Mar 07 05:21:32 :D Mar 07 05:21:44 i don't know what "build a meta doctor" means...but it is a true linux distro Mar 07 05:21:49 runs X Mar 07 05:21:52 natively Mar 07 05:22:21 have you built a meta-doctor yet? Mar 07 05:22:29 no Mar 07 05:22:37 well...probably not Mar 07 05:22:45 what does it mean to build a meta-doctor? Mar 07 05:22:45 I thought you ran 2.1? Mar 07 05:22:52 then i suppose i have :) Mar 07 05:22:58 build a 2.1 doctor for a pre+/- Mar 07 05:23:03 yes Mar 07 05:23:19 wasn't aware of the terminology Mar 07 05:23:34 so...i suppose the question is: can you build metadoctor from the device? Mar 07 05:23:43 yes Mar 07 05:24:40 i think it's possible...depends on java i think Mar 07 05:25:08 that would be awesome! Mar 07 05:25:16 I want to meta-doc sooooo bad Mar 07 05:25:25 not sure about the java available for embedded linuxes Mar 07 05:25:38 jack87|away: what do you think? Mar 07 05:25:41 to build a metadoctor, you could theoretically do it on device Mar 07 05:25:56 undrwater: does SHR still use the MokoMakefile I wrote a couple of years ago? Mar 07 05:25:59 running it though? that's what would need java, and well... doctoring from on the device would be dumb Mar 07 05:26:22 what would you need java for? Mar 07 05:26:36 sorry pixi took forever to send Mar 07 05:27:05 PatrickC_Pixi: my understanding is that metadoctor uses java? i could be wrong Mar 07 05:27:12 wouldn't you just copy the file from device to computer? and then run the .jar? Mar 07 05:27:24 rwhitby: that's possible...i haven't been very involved for at least a year Mar 07 05:27:39 it takes java to run, and a phone doctoring itself would be cool, but I would do it from a PC Mar 07 05:27:59 there are no webOS devices that can be a USB host Mar 07 05:28:16 meaning? Mar 07 05:28:22 rwhitby: could webos run on the moko? Mar 07 05:28:43 undrwater: gta01 or gta02 ? Mar 07 05:28:48 either Mar 07 05:29:02 mine is 02 Mar 07 05:29:12 probably technically possible with a whole lot of work. practically, no. legally, no. Mar 07 05:29:30 you could, however, use an SHR gta02 to flash a webOS device Mar 07 05:29:43 (since gta02 can do USB host0 Mar 07 05:29:56 :D Mar 07 05:30:10 meaning?? I'm lost :) Mar 07 05:30:11 so webos is legally bound to palm / hp devices? Mar 07 05:30:16 undrwater: yep Mar 07 05:30:20 it's not open source Mar 07 05:30:42 rwhitby: it wouldn't have to be. Mar 07 05:30:46 but they provide the source code? don't they? Mar 07 05:30:47 rwhitby: but point taken. Mar 07 05:30:47 PatrickC_Pre: my guess is that metadoctor uses usb drive to connect to device it is flashing Mar 07 05:31:09 yea, and I would run the doctor on a PC once built Mar 07 05:31:25 netzwurm: unless you have a license to run webOS on a non-webOS device (which, BTW is not allowed by the EULA), then you have no right to use the software as such. Mar 07 05:31:35 PatrickC_Pre: i think hte point is that you can't flash a pre with a pre Mar 07 05:31:38 PatrickC_Pre: they do not Mar 07 05:32:03 ah ok undrwater Mar 07 05:32:08 and thanks rwhitby Mar 07 05:32:17 webOS is not open source. source code is not provided. period. Mar 07 05:32:30 i thought it was! Mar 07 05:32:36 I'm thinking of the kernel source? Mar 07 05:32:38 was it ever? Mar 07 05:32:57 the linux kernel and some userspace applications that webOS runs on are open source Mar 07 05:33:06 webOS is not, never has been, never will be. Mar 07 05:33:15 that stinks Mar 07 05:33:30 my bubble just popped :( Mar 07 05:33:33 :D Mar 07 05:33:44 if webOS was open source it would likely end up like openmoko Mar 07 05:34:18 it would be very little knows to non-linux users? Mar 07 05:34:23 * rwhitby should get the multiple GTA01 and GTA02 devices out of his drawer and sell them Mar 07 05:34:53 rwhitby: better to use them for servers or something :) Mar 07 05:34:57 worth more that way Mar 07 05:35:03 undrwater: I have webOS devices for that. Mar 07 05:35:09 is android open source? Mar 07 05:35:23 most of it Mar 07 05:35:28 there is an android open source project. what you experience on an android phone is far from that. Mar 07 05:35:35 :D Mar 07 05:35:40 lol Mar 07 05:35:50 yeah, google's apps are proprietary Mar 07 05:35:55 and then there are the skins Mar 07 05:36:03 drivers for most of the hardware Mar 07 05:36:17 I wish preware would stop giving me a ghost app update Mar 07 05:36:19 only some of the drivers Mar 07 05:36:55 * PatrickC_Pre tries to think of how to make a dual-boot android/webos phone Mar 07 05:36:59 in essence, a webOS phone is an open as an android phone. the only difference is in the marketing of the open source aspect Mar 07 05:37:07 you can get a dualboot android/iphone, lol Mar 07 05:37:14 and make millions Mar 07 05:37:24 on the android/webos phones Mar 07 05:37:37 dualboot android/ios? Mar 07 05:37:42 there are hacks Mar 07 05:37:43 very hard to make millions on a solution which is not legally viable Mar 07 05:37:55 PatrickC_Pre: except no one would ever boot into webos. Would take forever Mar 07 05:38:02 well... Mar 07 05:38:07 rwhitby: why do you think that if webos were open source, it would be like openmoko? Mar 07 05:38:11 you could make a book on how to do it... Mar 07 05:38:47 undrwater: rwhitby came from openmoko Mar 07 05:38:53 undrwater: fragmentation, lack of focus, poor decisions. Mar 07 05:39:00 if anyone would know, it's rwhitby Mar 07 05:39:15 rwhitby knows all :) Mar 07 05:39:22 * rwhitby only did the Makefile for it, was not part of the company Mar 07 05:39:44 lol, I meant community not company. Mar 07 05:40:10 wasn't the "lack of focus, poor decisions" a company problem though? Mar 07 05:40:45 that's how it played out to me in the mailing lists Mar 07 05:41:36 so rwhitby: do you think it would be possible to build a meta-doc on-device? Mar 07 05:42:27 * phil_bw wanders by Mar 07 05:42:43 :) Mar 07 05:42:55 hay phil_bw Mar 07 05:43:05 evenin' patrick Mar 07 05:43:25 how's it goin? Mar 07 05:44:03 PatrickC_Pre: yes Mar 07 05:44:24 inside webOS? or only if you dual-boot? Mar 07 05:44:40 rwhitby: got a quick question for you. how difficult would it be to write a little utility to connect one pre to another peer to peer over wifi to play a game over wifi without being connected to a network? Mar 07 05:44:54 and it's going well patrick Mar 07 05:45:11 good Mar 07 05:45:44 phil_bw: just run mobile hotspot on one of the devices. that's what I do for multiplayer games away from an access point. Mar 07 05:46:01 PatrickC_Pre: webOS is linux, meta-doctor run on linux. Mar 07 05:46:24 will git work? Mar 07 05:46:31 hmm... Mar 07 05:46:32 it's linux Mar 07 05:46:47 awesome! Mar 07 05:47:07 now I just need to figure out how to set up git on webos and make a meta-doc Mar 07 05:47:24 oh please dont. Mar 07 05:47:33 why not? Mar 07 05:47:55 all that will achieve is annoying us here with endless questions about how to achieve something that has no practical purpose in the first place. Mar 07 05:48:13 ok Mar 07 05:48:30 if you can do it without asking a single question, go for it. Mar 07 05:48:30 I'll wait to get a *real* linux environment set up Mar 07 05:48:54 that I can't promise :) Mar 07 05:49:08 so, I won't try it on webos *yet* Mar 07 05:49:46 rwhitby: since I'm getting in to multiplayer game development I want to make connecting two devices as simple as possible. ideally I'd write my own basically stripped down mobile hotspot that didn't share internet that my games would tie into to automate Mar 07 05:49:47 the process of connecting. Mar 07 05:50:20 well, I'm off to bed Mar 07 05:50:23 night all Mar 07 05:50:44 PatrickC_Pre: if you really want linux now, get a VPS Mar 07 05:51:01 * PatrickC_Pre looks up VPS Mar 07 05:51:10 virtual private servers Mar 07 05:51:17 also, i guess a VM works too Mar 07 05:51:51 is vm == vbox? Mar 07 05:52:00 or are there differences? Mar 07 05:52:08 gkatsev, we tried helping him set up a VM... his home computer isn't capable of much more than IRC Mar 07 05:52:26 no, my *laptop* isnt Mar 07 05:52:27 PatrickC_Pre, vbox is software that provides a vm Mar 07 05:52:35 my regular computer is Mar 07 05:52:58 but I have to get caught up in school in order to use it Mar 07 05:52:58 ubuntu runs natively in server mode on a 16MHz Intel 286 with 16MB of memoyr. Mar 07 05:53:23 can server mode make a meta doc? Mar 07 05:53:28 of course Mar 07 05:53:50 but it needs internet access is my guess.... so I'm outa luck :'( Mar 07 05:54:37 rwhitby: so what do you think of my idea? feasable to try, or overly complicated? Mar 07 05:55:04 phil_bw: I don't know if the wireless driver does ad-hoc Mar 07 05:55:24 yo Mar 07 05:55:32 so today i my lucky day Mar 07 05:55:44 okee, just something that's been rolling around in my head Mar 07 05:55:48 some how my palm phone broke in peices .. ATT won't do anything for me Mar 07 05:55:57 i think i should switch to verizon and get pre2 eh ? Mar 07 05:56:30 phil_bw: and if it did, I doubt there would be a way from an app catalog jail to switch into it Mar 07 05:57:01 phil_bw: assume they are on the same subnet, and advise people to use the hotspot if they are not connected to an access point. Mar 07 05:57:30 phil_bw: use the rendezvous stuff in 2.0 to find each other Mar 07 05:57:44 Josef_B, I think the pre2 went down to $50 on verizon Mar 07 05:57:59 anyone here use Puppy Linux? Mar 07 05:58:29 rwhitby, I thought about that too. problem is getting hotspot on the phone. It was quite the hack job on mine. Mar 07 05:59:18 RagingMind, yea plus i will be a new cusotmer Mar 07 05:59:18 Josef_B: get a burner for a few months? Mar 07 05:59:26 burner ? Mar 07 05:59:27 what is that Mar 07 05:59:51 I watch too much It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, lol Mar 07 06:00:06 a throw-away phone Mar 07 06:00:16 why would i wait ? Mar 07 06:00:28 other phones? pre3? Mar 07 06:00:36 :D Mar 07 06:00:37 i see Mar 07 06:00:43 veer :D Mar 07 06:00:46 meh Mar 07 06:00:53 now is just worst time to sign a contract Mar 07 06:00:54 good logic grasshopa Mar 07 06:01:15 man Mar 07 06:01:16 you could get a pixi+ cheap somewhere, avoid contract, and wait for pre3? Mar 07 06:01:30 i just signed a 2 year contrcact iwth ATT and my pre broke and they won't help me Mar 07 06:01:35 aw Mar 07 06:01:39 or get a pre+ off ebay for nxt to nothing Mar 07 06:01:43 i can always go craigslist route eh Mar 07 06:01:47 yea Mar 07 06:02:08 puppy linux anyone? Mar 07 06:02:47 PatrickC_Pre: puppy is fine Mar 07 06:03:01 Josef_B: how soon ago was just? Mar 07 06:03:01 even for my crap PC? Mar 07 06:03:09 I've used puppy before, if you're thinking of using it to build a meta doc... yes it could work, but it's easier to stick with ubuntu Mar 07 06:03:14 gkatsev, like on the 7th of this month Mar 07 06:03:14 it's supposed to be light weight. Mar 07 06:03:22 Josef_B: today? Mar 07 06:03:26 err Mar 07 06:03:28 last month Mar 07 06:03:31 lol Mar 07 06:03:31 why not go all the way and use gentoo? Mar 07 06:03:41 PatrickC_Pre: there is also damn small linux Mar 07 06:03:56 yeah, use gentoo so your build environment can be completely different from any other person that might be able to help you. Mar 07 06:04:06 Josef_B: you should return it and get your money back and then get a new contract :P Mar 07 06:04:07 what's the really small linux? Mar 07 06:04:08 Josef_B, you're on att? you could spring for an unlocked pre2 Mar 07 06:04:09 rwhitby: i can help :) Mar 07 06:04:19 PatrickC_Pre: 'damn small linux' is another distro, what else? Mar 07 06:04:21 undrwater: sorry, wrong USE flags. Mar 07 06:04:33 wow $499 Mar 07 06:04:44 gkatsev, they said physical damage isn't supported Mar 07 06:04:52 or $249 for dev :) Mar 07 06:04:58 gkatsev, the pre + was referbished ie i pad $0.00 Mar 07 06:05:01 did it oreo or something? Mar 07 06:05:02 didn't you buy warranty? Mar 07 06:05:05 rwhitby: i have a working ebuild for the sdk and novacom Mar 07 06:05:05 s/pad/paid Mar 07 06:05:36 undrwater: and you'd really consider sharing that with someone who can't get the meta-doctor to build on Ubuntu? Mar 07 06:06:01 rwhitby: well...no....but i would share it with someone who is using gentoo :) Mar 07 06:06:09 I haven't tried it on ubuntu *yet* Mar 07 06:06:45 I haven't tried it at all Mar 07 06:06:54 rwhitby: if someone had installed gentoo...we wouldn't be having this conversation anyway :) Mar 07 06:06:59 gentoo was my first attempt at linux...talk about jumping into the deep end Mar 07 06:07:09 rotfl Mar 07 06:07:10 at least it wasn't slackware Mar 07 06:07:14 man I've used all number of linux distros out there (including gentoo which was a lot of fun) and I always go back to just straight debian. I really can't find much reason to use anything else at this point. Mar 07 06:07:19 idontwan2know, gentoo is the wrong distro to try as a n00b Mar 07 06:07:32 it predictably ended in failure. Mar 07 06:07:37 ehhehe. Mar 07 06:07:54 it's OK for a newb if you are anal about following directions Mar 07 06:08:05 i tried gentoo as a non-n00b and still failed Mar 07 06:08:39 I tried mandrake next, which was more succesfull Mar 07 06:08:50 minix 1.0 was the best though. Mar 07 06:09:01 I went the other direction, mandrake to gentoo Mar 07 06:09:03 especially if you typed it in from the book Mar 07 06:09:13 :P Mar 07 06:09:42 you think typos in your userland programs are hard to debug ... Mar 07 06:10:11 but hardware support just wasn't where it needed to be for a n00b with a custom box with lots of obscure bits and pieces to have any chance of success at the time Mar 07 06:10:19 so, anyone tested uberkernel/pre 2.1.0-18 yet? Mar 07 06:10:52 can't yet :'( Mar 07 06:10:55 or I would have Mar 07 06:11:21 rwhitby: yes Mar 07 06:12:12 undrwater: camera work? Mar 07 06:12:15 wow Mar 07 06:12:20 rwhitby: quite well Mar 07 06:12:31 I never thought I would see a channel active with only 33 people Mar 07 06:12:44 undrwater: sticks at 1GHz when woken? Mar 07 06:12:50 ooo my camera doesn't work... Mar 07 06:13:01 should I just re-install it? Mar 07 06:13:02 rwhitby: i'll look into that... Mar 07 06:13:24 rwhitby: only thing i noticed is an intermittent data problem Mar 07 06:13:25 I'm going to install it now...be back shortly Mar 07 06:13:34 * rwhitby bbl Mar 07 06:23:31 undrwater: are you on a pre-? Mar 07 06:24:24 greenskeleton: pre+ Mar 07 06:25:02 ah Mar 07 06:25:58 I'm noticing more TMC errors on my 2.1 pre-, more than I had with Uberkernel on 1.4.5. Kinda hoping Uberkernel clears those up Mar 07 06:26:00 night for real :p Mar 07 06:26:18 that's why you use F105 :) Mar 07 06:26:47 well nite Mar 07 06:26:57 I'll try to figure out my Preware issue later Mar 07 06:29:52 brb Mar 07 06:34:22 rwhitby: uk 2.1.0-18 stutters a bit when waking up at 1ghz, but nothing show stopping. Mar 07 06:34:55 camera performance is better than I've ever experienced with overclocking *or* stock kernel Mar 07 06:35:08 really fast Mar 07 06:39:00 i don't know what it was like before...but camera is a pleasure to use Mar 07 06:39:25 one of my happy weekends uses Mar 07 06:42:27 with previous overclocking kernels the camera has usually been painfully slow for me Mar 07 06:42:58 taking forever to load, forever to save a pic and be ready for the next shot,etc Mar 07 06:43:40 sometimes failing to take a picture at all, even Mar 07 06:45:16 hi guy I need help to get the preware Mar 07 06:47:38 I guys I need some help to get the preware Mar 07 06:49:07 time for beddy-bye...night all Mar 07 06:49:26 ~preware Mar 07 06:50:06 yes Mar 07 06:50:35 oaxaca: http://bit.ly/phd-ac Mar 07 06:52:25 thx Mar 07 07:07:13 rwhitby: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile Mar 07 07:08:16 ah, good, it's obsolete Mar 07 07:08:41 so no one will try to track you down?? :) Mar 07 07:28:29 hi Mar 07 07:31:57 any known screenstate issues with the lastest testing-uberkernel? Mar 07 07:32:03 -s Mar 07 07:36:48 man i need a phone now .. anyone got an ATT pre + they wanna sell Mar 07 07:36:49 :D Mar 07 07:38:19 with a screenstate setting below 500Mhz the frequency remains at 1Ghz Mar 07 07:38:25 strange Mar 07 07:38:52 hucksy: are you running -18 ? Mar 07 07:41:40 nope, i tought there was only a bugfix for the camera issue... lets try it :) Mar 07 07:48:38 hola Mar 07 07:50:10 idontwan2know, ping Mar 07 07:50:35 idontwan2know, i have same issue with OverClocked kernel now i couldnt even get camera to come up. Mar 07 07:51:18 are you on the latest one? 2.0.1-18? Mar 07 07:52:18 idontwan2know, i am running a spring regular pre.. on 2.1.0 and uber kernel 2.1.0-11 Mar 07 07:53:23 idontwan2know, running update for 2.1.0.18 now Mar 07 07:55:00 * Jack87 just found a 2.5" external 500Gig Hdd laying around the house. Mar 07 07:55:08 I thought i returned it to costco. guess not Mar 07 07:56:20 the -18 uberkernel has given me great camera performance Mar 07 07:56:46 though granted, I've only had it installed for a couple hours Mar 07 07:57:20 rebooting now we will see :) Mar 07 07:57:34 does anyone know where i can find a cd tray hard drive enclosure for a laptop. Mar 07 08:04:25 rwhitby: k, works :) Mar 07 08:04:27 great Mar 07 08:05:25 halfhalo, ping Mar 07 11:55:25 PatrickC_Pre: just need some dependencies prolly from Opt-Ware and you are set. Mar 07 14:06:27 hello, can anyone paste me linphone test download link... cant find it anywere Mar 07 14:06:39 was tinyurl.com/~ Mar 07 14:06:39 ? Mar 07 14:08:28 nwmd Mar 07 14:16:54 I'm having an issue accessing uberkernel for 2.10... I'm seeing F105 Thunderchief and AV8B Harrier II though. help? Mar 07 14:19:11 I've added the kernel testing feed before, so that's not the problem. I just got a warranty replacement pre+ and can see the experimental kernels but uberkernel isn't there. Mar 07 14:27:03 it's there..I just loaded preware and there's an update to it for me Mar 07 14:28:15 hmm...preware seems convinced that I need to update the spaz beta that I've already updated Mar 07 14:28:49 what is the url for the linphone test? Mar 07 14:37:42 Loudergood: spaz is in the palm beta cataloge. you need to restart preware to make it recognize it has been updates Mar 07 14:38:02 I've restarted the phone :) Mar 07 14:53:10 this has never happened on the palm kernel before... my phone just locked up Mar 07 14:53:42 are you on the palm kernel? Mar 07 14:54:22 yes Mar 07 14:54:43 on 1.4.5 my phone was solid unless I ran uber kernel Mar 07 14:55:36 interesting Mar 07 14:57:31 I really need to replace this glowing hp logo, just gotta decide what to replace it with Mar 07 14:58:17 glowing webos-internals logo Mar 07 14:58:32 just shy of 4 minutes for my phone to boot Mar 07 14:58:47 http://www.prethemer.com/tux_20_bw-boot-logo1159.html Mar 07 14:58:51 yoeah I would like to see that logo for the whole boot Mar 07 14:58:55 "internal" ? :) Mar 07 14:59:23 the one the webos 2.1 uberkernel starts out with Mar 07 14:59:40 lol that's a cool one Mar 07 14:59:46 it's super easy to replace the glowing logos... there's a wiki page for it, but now the files are hp-logo.png and hp-logo-bright.png instead of palm-* Mar 07 14:59:46 i like that one too Mar 07 15:00:57 so prethemer should have separate downloads for themes... 1.x vs 2.x? Mar 07 15:01:23 I think in 2.0.1 it may still have been palm-* Mar 07 15:01:57 isn't 2.1 the first one to boot with the hp logo? Mar 07 15:03:31 yeah i don't think my pre2 boots with a hp logo Mar 07 15:20:48 and the ipk files from prethemer I doubt would work on my 2.1 pre+ Mar 07 15:21:10 but looking at the scripts used... should be super easy to fix that by just renaming the files :) Mar 07 15:25:29 is there any way to get more than 4 icons on the dockbar? Mar 07 15:41:38 hehe, I have a tux skeleton :) Mar 07 15:51:01 tux rocks! Mar 07 15:52:20 http://is.gd/62Oqhy < -- Touchpad Shows up in vietnamm with simtray Mar 07 15:52:24 you guys probably saw it already Mar 07 15:52:35 yup Mar 07 15:53:32 * halfhalo is psycic or psycotic.. and can't spell anything with a ps at the front today apparently Mar 07 15:58:21 so options .. my pre shattered ATT won't give me any kind of deal .. i want verizon is looking pretty nice Mar 07 16:04:27 Why does HP hate its CDMA customers? Mar 07 16:08:23 because I'm sure verizon is a pain in the ass to work with Mar 07 16:09:57 on the other hand they did just drop the price of the pre2 Mar 07 16:23:27 PuffTheMagic, the only verizon things that upset me are the lack of an official update to 2.x and the GPS thing Mar 07 16:24:17 sprint is cmda too Mar 07 16:24:33 no cmda veer or touchpads in sight suck Mar 07 16:24:38 I know... that's why I stated verizon :) Mar 07 16:25:02 I have a pre+ I only need a wifi touchpad ;) Mar 07 16:25:03 they listed carriers yet? Mar 07 16:41:03 frankenpre2! Mar 07 16:53:34 does anyone know if you show up as "online" on facebook if your using the fbook app on the pre? Mar 07 16:56:06 doubtful. the fbook 1.5 app doesn't have integration with their IM interface that I know of Mar 07 17:00:02 heyho! Mar 07 17:03:38 Hi guys...I'm interested in starting a new project for work and could use some advice from those with experience with low-level webos internals Mar 07 17:03:57 basically, the idea is to take the webos sources that are at opensource.palm.com Mar 07 17:04:03 and rebase debian on top of it Mar 07 17:04:14 then build the rest (or as much as possible) of the debian ARM distribution on top of that Mar 07 17:04:46 so that in the end you basically have a webos system that you can fetch debian-based packages on to Mar 07 17:05:05 I'm wondering if there are people here that can help with figuring out not only how feasible it is but the right ways to go about it Mar 07 17:17:07 jefferai: I understand the means, but what's the goal? Mar 07 17:17:21 jefferai: also have you checked out optware? Mar 07 17:17:56 destinal: that's different from Preware? Mar 07 17:18:17 I looked at the packages availalbe from preware but it seems like those are mostly homebrew apps for webos Mar 07 17:18:31 jefferai: yes, it's a distribution of arm linux packages Mar 07 17:18:56 http://optwarefind.nslu2-linux.org/ Mar 07 17:18:58 jefferai: you can use preware to install optware and use optware from the command line to install python or less or vim or whatever Mar 07 17:19:03 halfhalo: yeah, I see that Mar 07 17:19:07 destinal: ah, ok Mar 07 17:19:26 I hadn't seen optware, no, only preware, which didn't have much of what I was looking for Mar 07 17:19:34 do you know how full-featured the optware packages are? Mar 07 17:19:44 how they might compare to debian arm for instance? Mar 07 17:20:10 jefferai: they're functional and there are quite a lot of packages -- see http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ Mar 07 17:20:14 OK Mar 07 17:20:24 My goal here was to have a very functional linux subsystem on webos Mar 07 17:20:34 destinal: we DO have a web gui for it now :p Mar 07 17:20:35 there's good stuff on there already -- sdl and qt for instance Mar 07 17:20:43 and http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ Mar 07 17:20:43 but, access to more Mar 07 17:21:37 ok, so in your estimation, the right way to go about it isn't to do what I proposed above but to just use optware, e.g. there isn't much to be gained by going the rebasing-on-debian route? Mar 07 17:21:43 jefferai: we can always just add more packages to optware. the nice thing is it avoids the root package library and the root fs so that you don't interfere with hp/palm OTA updates Mar 07 17:21:54 I see Mar 07 17:22:16 so that brings me to another question Mar 07 17:22:17 the other option too would be a debian chroot which you can do easily also Mar 07 17:22:34 well -- I actually wanted to prefer chroots if possible Mar 07 17:22:43 although I guess they'd be okay if I can bind-mount /dev and /proc Mar 07 17:22:51 but I wanted apps to be able to do things like iptables and routing Mar 07 17:23:02 yeah, optware has this advantage also Mar 07 17:23:07 no chroots needed Mar 07 17:23:18 cool Mar 07 17:23:22 so my next question: Mar 07 17:23:33 well if you want to do this, I have some specific projects for u Mar 07 17:23:37 I want to have a VM environment set up so that users can easily have their own environment for building apps Mar 07 17:23:44 I was thinking of using ganeti Mar 07 17:23:53 redo the openssh ipk Mar 07 17:23:57 but it (and a lot of other managers) only support qemu and kvm Mar 07 17:24:02 virtualbox is based off of qemu Mar 07 17:24:12 do you know how compatible the official virtualbox method is with straight qemu? Mar 07 17:24:22 so that it uses the system openssl instead of the software one Mar 07 17:24:33 optware that is Mar 07 17:25:22 make it so that we can use llvm as an alternate cross compiler... Mar 07 17:25:23 so, yeah, optware packages and precedence would be based off of system PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, it keeps everything under /opt Mar 07 17:25:55 one reason I want to do this is to offer coworkers and students not just webos, but also arm environments that could be targeted towards other devices -- beagleboards, gumstix, and the like Mar 07 17:26:05 so my thought was, make some vm templates that can be cloned Mar 07 17:26:19 and set them up ready to install whatever packages they need Mar 07 17:26:25 which for webos could be via optware Mar 07 17:26:31 for others might be optware, or debian Mar 07 17:26:48 jefferai: so the reason virtualbox works for HP / Palm's "emulator" virtual machine is that it's really an x86 build of webos Mar 07 17:26:49 I know there are qemu arm emulation capabilities (and limited KVM support) Mar 07 17:26:57 destinal: right, that bit I knew Mar 07 17:27:10 so instead of them dealing with qemu-arm, they just build webos on x86? Mar 07 17:27:22 and then when you want to deploy an actual application it gets cross-compiled? Mar 07 17:27:45 jefferai: an application that requires native binaries, yes Mar 07 17:28:04 jefferai: are you familiar with webos apps and mojo vs PDK / native code? Mar 07 17:28:20 not sure what mojo is, I know webos apps are html/css/js Mar 07 17:28:49 I'm new to the webos world, don't have a device, but I figured it's a better target than android for this project because it has a better underlying linux subsystem Mar 07 17:28:55 right, also "game" applications are straight SDL and opengl-es, etc Mar 07 17:29:02 OK Mar 07 17:29:10 jefferai: but the PDK allows you to mix native code and html/css/js etc Mar 07 17:29:14 sure Mar 07 17:29:51 right, allowing you access to the underlying libraries (I'm pretty interested in access to the Qt libraries for instance) Mar 07 17:29:55 either by exposing native functions with javascript callable methods (headless) or by actually compositing SDL /opengl-es with the webkit Mar 07 17:30:07 ah Mar 07 17:31:00 so any graphical operations are done via webkit opengl rendering? Mar 07 17:31:03 so far a few people have made Qt based apps but in pure Qt calling the same interfaces that SDL does, as "game" applications Mar 07 17:31:17 which lack the native menus widgets etc and are full screen Mar 07 17:31:21 yeah Mar 07 17:31:29 I'd heard they were working to fix that Mar 07 17:31:38 so that the apps didn't have to be full screen Mar 07 17:31:39 or something Mar 07 17:32:30 the ideal situation IMO would be to use the hybrid approach with Qt and webkit both, so you could do javascript etc for some of the high level menus but draw stuff on the same screen Mar 07 17:32:41 right Mar 07 17:32:58 there are examples of how to do it with SDL obviously so it would be possible but take some work Mar 07 17:33:27 webos 2.x even includes Qt but it's only really intended to be called by the webos GUI process (LunaSysMgr or just "Luna") Mar 07 17:33:28 I think for now it would be fine having qt GUI apps go into full screen and apps with native interfaces be written with separated logic/graphics Mar 07 17:33:36 destinal: yeah, that's what I was seeing Mar 07 17:33:44 that the webos 2 distribution has qt in it Mar 07 17:34:05 jefferai: basically, Luna is now a qt app. didn't used to be, so this is kind of new Mar 07 17:34:31 it doesn't currently affect anyone writing apps at this point, but it's very interesting Mar 07 17:34:35 yeah Mar 07 17:34:53 so maybe they're working it into the system so that you can write qt apps and paint natively on the screen without needing ot fullscreen? Mar 07 17:36:49 jefferai: not really sure, I could see it going either way. Mar 07 17:36:50 so at this point getting into app writing is a little ahead of myself :-) my main thing right now is, how do I make this accessible to a lot of people here Mar 07 17:36:53 ah Mar 07 17:37:02 I have a beefy box that can run a lot of VMs Mar 07 17:37:30 so I figured I could run a bunch of ARM VMs emulating the environment of this hardware device or that one Mar 07 17:37:31 jefferai: it would be enough to use Qt to give them a better graphical framework than the custom ones they have been using, that more people they may want to hire already know Mar 07 17:37:44 jefferai: they may not mean to enable Qt development officially for third parties Mar 07 17:37:49 destinal: ah, ok Mar 07 17:38:06 jefferai: of course, that doesn't prevent us from using it ourselves Mar 07 17:38:13 official or no Mar 07 17:38:26 but if you're building a native app, the libraries are still there and available to be used -- especially if you can e.g. use it for non-graphical work and send data back and forth with DBus or so Mar 07 17:38:32 right Mar 07 17:39:12 jefferai: yes. one potential issue is for catalog support. if you want to make an app that can be downloaded / purchased from the app catalog it needs to run in chroot jail Mar 07 17:39:32 Ah Mar 07 17:39:32 meaning some things you may not be able to get to or may need to distribute with your binary Mar 07 17:39:38 sure Mar 07 17:39:38 ok Mar 07 17:39:39 that's fair Mar 07 17:39:57 for homebrew and things you install via preware, you can do without these jails Mar 07 17:40:01 right Mar 07 17:40:09 so do you know if it's possible to use qemu to run the emulators? Mar 07 17:40:21 it'd be ideal if I could take the official emulator Mar 07 17:40:35 and when a request comes in for a dev environment, clone it off Mar 07 17:40:45 maybe host a local optware mirror Mar 07 17:41:12 so development could even be done within the official emulated environment Mar 07 17:41:38 do you know how possible that would be? Mar 07 17:42:00 also, if optware is built for arm, how does it run in the emulator, which is x86? Mar 07 17:42:32 (sorry, a lot of questions, I know :-) ) Mar 07 18:02:05 I know that the description in the secureshell git says that it is pretty much broken, but is it functional at all right now? Mar 07 18:02:17 On 2.1.0 that is. Mar 07 18:07:09 Tigrao, I do not understand your question. Mar 07 18:08:26 m-h-k, My question is: Does secureshell work on 2.1.0? Mar 07 18:10:37 If you don't know what I am talking about, the source code is here: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/secureshell.git;a=summary Mar 07 18:21:11 so I kinda hacked together a patch that un-hides USB Passthrough and disables the need for a code Mar 07 18:21:32 it's the ebagg333 patch, but I figured out the new line numbers Mar 07 18:45:39 rwhitby: UK-18 been working well for the past 12hrs. have camera back. Mar 07 18:48:32 * Jack87 just saw a kid walking around w/ walkman (tape) on campus. Mar 07 18:49:44 wow...hipsters.... Mar 07 18:50:03 you should tell him it's not obscure enough Mar 07 19:07:16 Tigrao, oh, I did not know that app. It does not seem to be in the regular Preware feeds? Mar 07 19:08:45 I'd try it on 2.1.0 though if you like. Mar 07 19:09:33 secure shell was pulled due to a security issue iirc Mar 07 19:09:49 oh. renamed to insecure secure shell? Mar 07 19:10:50 i should add a ;) there Mar 07 19:10:53 lol Mar 07 19:11:38 iirc there was an issue with the way it bypassed the jail that could potentially let other applications bypass the jail as well Mar 07 19:13:36 anyone watch the video of the touchpad Mar 07 19:13:40 halfhalo: more or less, it's because the plugin / native part and the web part were communicating via a TCP socket on localhost that anything else could, too. better solution is to properly plugin-ize it but the right people with the right skills need to have spare time to put into it, I think Mar 07 19:13:50 ah Mar 07 19:13:51 that simcard tray looks flimsy as hell Mar 07 19:14:34 btw, is there some way of getting notification of incoming phone calls in webos? I'd like an app to do something when a call comes in. If possible, including the number of the caller... Mar 07 19:17:19 PuffTheMagic: it looks exactly like the cd key one they have on the windows tablet Mar 07 19:18:14 destinal: any answer on my questions above? Mar 07 19:20:02 destinal: I see. Can I still get at the IPK and install manually? Mar 07 19:20:09 jefferai: a couple things. first, the "emulator" image can be run on any x86 machine basically. Mar 07 19:21:00 jefferai: it's got a pretty standard linux kernel so as long as you have a device supported by it you should be fine. you can always recompile your own kernel as well if you have custom virtualized or physical hardware Mar 07 19:21:29 jefferai: second, I recommend developing with a cross compiler but the WIDK linked on the wiki is probably the easiest way to go Mar 07 19:21:34 OK. So you think it will likely run with qemu as the host, but may require some kernel hardware support tweaking Mar 07 19:21:48 right, ok, so that's one thing I wasn't certain abou Mar 07 19:21:50 *about Mar 07 19:21:51 jefferai: I think it's more likely that it'll just work Mar 07 19:22:05 the WIDK on the wiki -- that page details how to set up a cross compiler Mar 07 19:22:07 jefferai: but yeah worst case you could do a custom kernel if you had to Mar 07 19:22:23 so the workflow would then be -- one VM runs Ubuntu with a cross-compilation setup Mar 07 19:22:43 the other VM runs the emulated WebOS device Mar 07 19:22:53 but there seems to be a mismatch of architectures there Mar 07 19:23:03 since the emulated WebOS device actually runs x86 Mar 07 19:23:10 jefferai: well, you can compile using the same build setup for x86 and for armv6 / armv7 Mar 07 19:23:17 ah, ok Mar 07 19:23:20 jefferai: our git repositories have examples Mar 07 19:23:24 alright Mar 07 19:23:28 so then -- about optware Mar 07 19:23:35 does optware then come in both x86 and arm flavors? Mar 07 19:23:49 the optware site says that you can run it in the pre emulator Mar 07 19:23:57 jefferai: yes, there are a variety of platforms optware is built for Mar 07 19:24:00 OK Mar 07 19:24:06 this is all sounding good :-) Mar 07 19:24:53 jefferai: and yeah I think most people run an ubuntu box or ubuntu VM and a webos emulator VM Mar 07 19:25:13 OK, great. Mar 07 19:25:14 most people here who develop for this Mar 07 19:25:34 So then hopefully I should be able to use something nice like Ganeti or Spice to make it easy for people to get build environments Mar 07 19:25:59 so long as qemu will successfully run the virtualbox image, which seems somewhat likely Mar 07 19:26:10 jefferai: our WIDK is based on scratchbox2, I'm not familiar with Ganeti or Spice Mar 07 19:26:16 I'll look into those Mar 07 19:27:45 ah, virtual server management, ok Mar 07 19:28:05 Right Mar 07 19:28:46 We'd like to be able to scale up the number of people and students that can try their hand at homebrew webos development without supporting everyone's desktop setup Mar 07 19:29:46 jefferai: a much smaller distro than ubuntu server would be viable too Mar 07 19:29:56 or a subset rather Mar 07 19:30:09 ubuntu server by itself is relatively small -- no X, for instance Mar 07 19:31:56 jefferai: out of curiousity, are you looking at moving from developing for other mobile platforms (like meego or openembedded or something else?) Mar 07 19:34:08 or moving into mobile development from developing for desktop / server platforms? Mar 07 19:34:21 well, more the second Mar 07 19:35:00 We basically have two categories of things we want to do: 1) Have people start getting involved with mobile development; 2) Try running some custom software we have on mobile platforms Mar 07 19:35:26 So when looking at mobile platforms, something that is homebrew/root friendly and Linux-based is really nice Mar 07 19:35:35 we're looking at environments for things like beagleboard and such Mar 07 19:35:57 but webos is nice in that it has good commercial support, plus a good linux base, plus some nice hardware, plus a good GUI on top Mar 07 19:36:06 it seemed like a good platform to look at Mar 07 19:36:28 Android is linux based of course but it felt like most of what was there was mostly to get Dalvik up and running Mar 07 19:36:46 and the emulation isn't quite as easy, AFAICT Mar 07 19:38:27 feel free to correct me on any of those points :-) Mar 07 19:54:08 jefferai: yeah, the nice thing about webos is that there are no obstacles to getting root, no cryptographically locked bootloaders (so far) on any of the devices so you really can run whatever kind of code you like Mar 07 19:54:48 jefferai: and I tend to agree that android has less in common with what I typically think of as embedded Linux in terms of userland Mar 07 19:55:16 where webos uses standard things like upstart etc Mar 07 19:55:32 you call upstart standard? :-P Mar 07 19:55:42 (j/k) Mar 07 19:56:23 jefferai: :) fair point, but it's better than sysv init and compatible Mar 07 19:56:51 upstart is actually quite nice and easy to learn Mar 07 19:57:35 jefferai: whereas android doesn't even use the standard dynamic linker used in most every other linux based system I've seen Mar 07 19:58:39 jefferai: admittedly, android is far more open source than webos, I actually feel in many ways webos is more tinkerer friendly Mar 07 19:58:55 right, android is entirely FOSS, webos is only FOSS at the Linux level Mar 07 19:59:15 but as long as you can also run your own GUI programs (even if not with native look and feel), then it's enough Mar 07 20:00:11 jefferai: like the barrier to entry to hack on webos, change its behavior, customize it, run standard linux based software on it feels lower. and the stock apps and frameworks, while not open source, their javascript is at least readable so you can patch it and learn from it Mar 07 20:00:55 Cool. Mar 07 20:01:14 i think we need to try switching upstart with kyuba now that a release seems semi usable Mar 07 20:01:34 PuffTheMagic: hmm? I've never heard of kyuba Mar 07 20:01:43 kyuba is the successor to einit Mar 07 20:02:20 i used t help dev with that Mar 07 20:02:23 it was wicked fast Mar 07 20:03:02 destinal, http://becquerel.org/ Mar 07 20:03:38 jyujin (the author) always intended it to be used for embedded devices Mar 07 20:04:10 nice. upstart is really good too, so I'm not in any particular hurry Mar 07 20:04:22 but it's cool to see these Mar 07 20:04:25 einit ate upstart for breakfast Mar 07 20:04:31 in terms of speed Mar 07 20:04:42 you could write init scripts in C, sh, scheme, etc. Mar 07 20:04:45 PuffTheMagic: are both event based? Mar 07 20:04:57 ya einit was event based Mar 07 20:09:17 is there a PPTP patch or app that works on Webos 2.0? Mar 07 20:17:02 whats hood fellas. Mar 07 20:17:19 kamui: hmm, I don't know of any. Mar 07 20:17:30 it should be possible but nobody's approached it yet AFAIK Mar 07 20:20:37 destinal, I saw a vpnc plugin in preware but it looks like its for webos 1.4.5 or earlier, it wont install on my pre 2 Mar 07 20:21:14 kamui: vpnc comes with webos 2.x Mar 07 20:21:40 kamui: but that's cisco vpn, right? not pptp Mar 07 20:22:50 kamui: did you see the VPN application? Mar 07 20:24:01 hello people Mar 07 20:24:30 * PatrickC_Pre is downloading puppy linux so he can get familiar with linux before making a meta-doc Mar 07 20:24:59 that's not the best choice but it'll work Mar 07 20:25:23 it can run off *very small* amounts of ram Mar 07 20:25:41 yeah, I also beleive it has a 2.4 kernel Mar 07 20:26:07 2.4 kernel?? Mar 07 20:26:15 I'm totally a n00b to linux :p Mar 07 20:26:29 PatrickC_Pre, use this http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page Mar 07 20:26:32 its all u need Mar 07 20:26:43 depending on what you're trying to learn it might be alright Mar 07 20:26:53 thanks puffthemagic Mar 07 20:27:23 I'm thinking of making my 512MB usb stick a boot stick Mar 07 20:27:37 that would work Mar 07 20:27:59 but my PC has to be able to boot from USB? rite? Mar 07 20:28:04 in order to use that... Mar 07 20:28:12 u can but the iso to a cd instead Mar 07 20:28:37 meaning? Mar 07 20:28:59 s/but/burn/ Mar 07 20:29:34 I'll have to do that on a different computer... Mar 07 20:29:45 this one doesn't have a burner :'( Mar 07 20:29:51 you cant boot usb on that thing? Mar 07 20:30:00 what is it? a 486? Mar 07 20:30:15 no USB Boot :'( Mar 07 20:30:31 its an old compaq presario with a P3 processor Mar 07 20:30:38 originally designed for Win ME Mar 07 20:31:45 its a dinosaur machine Mar 07 20:32:04 68x MHz processor, 15GB HDD, 168MB RAM :'( Mar 07 20:32:31 I bet that hard drive flies Mar 07 20:32:46 oh yea Mar 07 20:33:09 flies like a 1800 car :) Mar 07 20:49:07 destinal: yes, but doesn't vpnc support more than just cisco vpns? I think that app in said it just adds pptp vpn support tp vpnc Mar 07 20:49:33 kamui: ahh.. that I don't know Mar 07 20:50:17 anyhow, its not a dealbreaker or anything Mar 07 20:50:26 what's up? Mar 07 20:50:29 but between that and say a working terminal, I'd be pretty happy Mar 07 20:50:40 hi PatrickC_Pre how you doin Mar 07 20:50:44 good Mar 07 20:50:57 still churning along on webos Mar 07 20:50:57 working terminal meaning? in webos 2.1? Mar 07 20:51:00 yea Mar 07 20:51:05 well, 2.0 Mar 07 20:51:09 I don't have 2.1 on my pre2 yet Mar 07 20:51:17 I hope that gets fixed soon Mar 07 20:51:20 me too Mar 07 20:51:50 did you get filemgr 2.0 and system... 1.0? Mar 07 22:03:50 what's up? Mar 07 22:04:34 infobot: hi Mar 07 22:04:35 hello, patrickc_pre Mar 07 22:07:40 how many has heard back from HP about pre2 Mar 07 22:07:49 it has been over 20 days for me :'( Mar 07 22:11:29 PatrickC_Pre, no word here Mar 07 22:11:48 when did you originally email? Mar 07 22:11:53 trying to boot puppy now Mar 07 22:11:56 week ago Mar 07 22:11:58 wish me luck Mar 07 22:12:01 no!!! Mar 07 22:12:05 net split! Mar 07 22:13:04 jack87: puppy linux can be put into a vbox rite? Mar 07 22:13:15 ya Mar 07 22:13:25 anything can be put into a vbox for the most part Mar 07 22:13:26 it looks like its booting!!! Mar 07 22:13:44 what computer are you on right now? (old laptop)? Mar 07 22:13:51 yea Mar 07 22:14:29 I will try to do ubuntu on the main tonight Mar 07 22:14:39 I'm getting more caught up in school Mar 07 22:19:15 sup Mar 07 22:20:00 hows it goin? Mar 07 22:20:15 good good. 2.1 on pre is aweosme Mar 07 22:20:39 I want to get linux set up soo bad!!! Mar 07 22:20:47 then I an build the meta-doc Mar 07 22:20:56 btw, why is linux required??? Mar 07 22:21:46 anyone know? Mar 07 22:22:51 cause that's what rwhitby wrote it for Mar 07 22:23:12 and he is the makefile master Mar 07 22:23:22 is it even fesible for windows? Mar 07 22:23:35 no Mar 07 22:23:49 * PatrickC_Pixi is hoping puppy will boot with only 25MB of RAM :) Mar 07 22:23:51 man Mar 07 22:24:11 I guess I have to get some distro of linux running then Mar 07 22:24:28 I'll try and get ubuntu working on the main computer tonight (hopefully) Mar 07 22:25:05 halfhalo: my camera app suddenly stopped working... Mar 07 22:25:16 has this happened before? Mar 07 22:25:23 lies Mar 07 22:25:27 I have no idea at all Mar 07 22:25:39 I never lie jack87 :p Mar 07 22:25:42 i think someone said they did it in cywigin in windows or whatever its called (i dont know anything about it) Mar 07 22:26:11 puppy is getting farther jack87!!!!!!! Mar 07 22:27:50 PatrickC_Pre, http://www.cygwin.com/ might help you make meta doctor in windows Mar 07 22:28:14 jack87 how much ram should I give ubuntu? Mar 07 22:28:50 in a VM? if you cant atleast 384MB Mar 07 22:29:02 s/cant/can/ Mar 07 22:29:03 Jack87 meant: in a VM? if you can atleast 384MB Mar 07 22:29:04 I'm on the main Mar 07 22:29:12 just go with the vbox defaults, they work fine Mar 07 22:29:17 how many gigs total do you have Mar 07 22:29:18 I have 4GB available :) Mar 07 22:29:28 4GB Mar 07 22:29:29 4Gb is like nothing nowadays Mar 07 22:29:30 give it 1 - 2 gigs Mar 07 22:29:51 I'll start with 1gig Mar 07 22:30:05 then bump up if needed Mar 07 22:30:40 hope it boots!!! Mar 07 22:30:47 seriously, you don't need anything close to that for metadoctor Mar 07 22:30:53 jack87: do you have time to walk me through? Mar 07 22:31:16 close to what? 1GB RAM? Mar 07 22:31:30 yes Mar 07 22:31:49 well, y not if I have it :) Mar 07 22:31:53 PatrickC_Pixi, the wiki explains it all Mar 07 22:31:55 sineot: hi Mar 07 22:32:04 I'm trying to boot ubuntu finally!! Mar 07 22:32:06 i wouldnt be telling you anything different than what is on the wiki (haha i helped with the wiki) Mar 07 22:32:19 just go with the vbox defaults for an ubuntu install...the more you change, the more you might screw up Mar 07 22:32:33 ok, when it comes time to install, I have one question Mar 07 22:33:59 jack87: could I just make the meta-doc inside the "try" mode, and then install later? Mar 07 22:34:12 PatrickC_Pixi: if you had actually *read* the metadoctor wiki page, you would see that it works equally well with linux, windows or macosx. Mar 07 22:34:32 PatrickC_Pixi: again, watch what you state as authoritative in this channel Mar 07 22:35:04 rwhitby, I know it works with cygwin (or whatever it is called) I wanted to know if I could do it with regular windows programs Mar 07 22:35:18 like not have to have special programs Mar 07 22:35:35 PatrickC_Pixi, See Cygwin Mar 07 22:35:54 PatrickC_Pixi: seriously, mate. you need to learn how to use the right tools for the job, and not try and use your inferior hammer (windows) for everything. Mar 07 22:35:59 PatrickC_Pixi, just do it in the VM like the wiki explains Mar 07 22:36:28 will do rwhitby and jack87 Mar 07 22:37:01 if installing cygwin looks hard to you, then seriously you should just give up now and do something else Mar 07 22:37:28 I just didn't want to install special programs Mar 07 22:37:42 oh the irony Mar 07 22:37:43 but if I'm going to do it, I'll go all the way and go ubuntu as well Mar 07 22:37:55 no Cgywin but an ubuntu vm is a-okay Mar 07 22:38:11 PatrickC_Pixi, he isnt telling you to really give up.. haha just do it dude. in a vbox you are safe cant harm anything Mar 07 22:38:33 um, cygwin is no more "special" than UnZip or Git, goth of which you will need to run the meta-doctor Mar 07 22:38:51 seriously, drop your stupid bigotry and just follow the wiki Mar 07 22:39:15 * halfhalo is tempted to try to get it working with ms's outdated linux utils for fun Mar 07 22:39:28 halfhalo: I suspect it would work Mar 07 22:39:43 it's not like metadoctor actually uses anything from Linux Mar 07 22:39:53 I'm installing it now Mar 07 22:39:58 * phil_bw feels like he has deja vu... Mar 07 22:40:13 rwhitby: I think it would work otb except for make not being installed Mar 07 22:40:14 I'm sure you could also write meta-doctor in a .bat file if you put your mind to it Mar 07 22:40:17 or visual basic Mar 07 22:41:06 halfhalo: oh, but make is a "special" program, so you can't install that. Mar 07 22:41:23 I'm going to go do some school, I'll check on it in a few Mar 07 22:41:28 its because its a virus! Mar 07 22:41:36 rwhitby encurages others to do it... but he has no need to for himself. he did the hard part... if others figure out ways to spread the wealth by all means go for it and wiki it Mar 07 22:41:41 has flash become any simpler to install? Mar 07 22:41:52 Flash is already simple to install o_o Mar 07 22:42:24 how? Mar 07 22:42:26 * Jack87 has not found any need to install flash (yet) Mar 07 22:42:38 I thought you had to make special files locally to do it... Mar 07 22:42:38 PatrickC_Pixi: FFS, have you not *READ* the wiki page ? Mar 07 22:42:45 most of it Mar 07 22:42:48 but not lately Mar 07 22:42:55 just got back from a trip Mar 07 22:43:01 well what the **** are you doing here asking questions about it? Mar 07 22:43:05 I'm just going to enjoy flash on my Pre2 when it arrives, going to leave the old minus at 1.4.5 for beta testing purposes Mar 07 22:43:20 I'll go read it then... Mar 07 22:43:21 sorry Mar 07 22:43:39 20 says make is included in this download Mar 07 22:44:03 PatrickC_Pixi: put a sticker on the ? key on your keyboard that says "have I read the wiki page for this first, before I make a fool of myself asking a question about it on the IRC channel, annoying those who can help me in the process" - ok? Mar 07 22:44:15 phil_bw, did you order a pre2.. me wnat one so bad Mar 07 22:44:23 so this is off topic (but perhaps off topic would be welcome at the moment) do any of you have a laptop with a wacom pad built in to the track pad? Mar 07 22:44:32 Jack87, developer Pre2 Mar 07 22:44:36 I'll read it before I ask anymore questions Mar 07 22:44:54 phil_bw, they make laptops like that? Mar 07 22:45:09 closest i seen were the HP tablets the screen was wacom Mar 07 22:45:10 Jack87, yes, mine and I can't figure out for the life of me how to configure the damn thing... Mar 07 22:45:27 phil_bw, in what OS? Mar 07 22:45:56 Win7 Pro Mar 07 22:46:16 just install the wacom drivers from their site Mar 07 22:46:28 easier said than done Mar 07 22:46:55 if this works I am going to laugh since its like 3 clicks to do it Mar 07 22:47:11 since it's a hybrid touch pad/pen input it identifies as both a synaptics touch pad and a wacom input device (which I can't find any drivers that work with it) Mar 07 22:47:17 phil_bw, http://www.wacom.com/downloads/drivers.php is your computer not in the list of tablet models? Mar 07 22:47:49 phil_bw, not one of these? http://www.3dm3.com/forum/f50/laptop-built-wacom-tablet-16139/ Mar 07 22:48:37 no Mar 07 22:48:53 the track pad itself is the pen input area Mar 07 22:49:11 anyway, was just wondering if anyone around here had one Mar 07 22:53:39 phil_bw, manufactuer support website doesnt have driver? Mar 07 22:53:49 nope Mar 07 22:54:42 suggestion: in Preware->"homepage" link for precentral patches-> point to m.forums.precentral.net Mar 07 22:55:29 phil_bw, what laptop is it model and all Mar 07 22:55:47 Fujitsu Lifebook A6030 Mar 07 22:55:50 djwhitey: that link is whatever the author of the patch submits Mar 07 22:55:52 wow, the virtual keyboard n 2.x is a lot less ready for primetime than the PC article made it seem Mar 07 22:56:30 have yet to use it without it crashing luna Mar 07 22:58:48 * bhuey is planning to a do frankenpre with plus parts Mar 07 22:59:03 80 USD for a plus a good price ? Mar 07 22:59:08 phil_bw, did you try this... http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/win-7-driver-fujitsu-lifebook-a6030s-wacom-digitizer-pad-t4026838.html Mar 07 23:00:12 Jack87, I'll read that, thanks Mar 07 23:00:25 idontwan2know: yeah, it's way buggy but that's to be expected... it's a left over from what I assume is very early testing for the TouchPad keyboard Mar 07 23:00:27 can't believe I've not seen that page yet, been trying to fix this forever Mar 07 23:00:31 which if you look at that, it's ancient Mar 07 23:00:59 Jack87, anyhow this is way off topic so you don't need to keep helping me here, I was just curious if anyone here used a system like mine, thanks a bunch though Mar 07 23:01:21 haha ya.. its been quiet though Mar 07 23:01:45 bhuey, if its new.. ya i think its a good price Mar 07 23:01:47 ubuntu installed!!! Mar 07 23:02:05 now I just need to read the meta-doc wiki, then doc!! yay! Mar 07 23:02:06 PatrickC_Pixi, haha good luck with the meta doctor :) Mar 07 23:02:44 also read the webos 2.1 on pre -/+ Mar 07 23:02:50 read both! Mar 07 23:03:20 will do Mar 07 23:06:56 read, don't skim Mar 07 23:07:03 every word Mar 07 23:07:14 I will Mar 07 23:07:20 twice Mar 07 23:07:36 thrice :) Mar 07 23:08:16 it booted after installation!!! Mar 07 23:08:16 yay Mar 07 23:08:49 now I'm gonna do some more school, then read wiki, follow to a "T", then make me a doctor!! Mar 07 23:08:56 thanks for the help so far :) Mar 07 23:08:59 man navit maps are hawgs Mar 07 23:09:42 * djwhitey takes the Predefined Area route Mar 07 23:09:54 djwhitey: I like the like, "draw what you want" download bit Mar 07 23:10:11 the west coast and a bit of BC was only like 512mb... which isn't THAT bad for how much area it covers Mar 07 23:11:03 whats that thing called with the pre3 waving inforunt of touchpad? Mar 07 23:11:14 Tap to Share? Mar 07 23:11:18 yes! Mar 07 23:11:57 Tap to Share would be awesome if it worked for CDMA devices to move phone service over per device that quick Mar 07 23:12:05 ehhehe just hinking a loud Mar 07 23:12:17 s/hinking/thinking/ Mar 07 23:12:17 Jack87 meant: ehhehe just thinking a loud Mar 07 23:13:59 yea that's what I did. East 1/2 of TX/OK + AR + LA + MS => 253MB. Gonna try it out on the commute home Mar 07 23:14:29 make is install in mah windows machine Mar 07 23:15:17 yeah, I grabbed California, Washington, Oregon, lower part of BC, and some of nevada and idaho and it was 512mb Mar 07 23:15:32 if I'm going to be driving outside of that then I can just grab the maps then, really Mar 07 23:15:40 no real need to carry all of the US with me all the time Mar 07 23:15:42 navit? Mar 07 23:15:51 yeah, with Navit Mar 07 23:16:00 yeah it's not bad at all Mar 07 23:16:06 right. and the beauty of it is no needing a constant data connection, right? Mar 07 23:16:15 the city state issue sucks though Mar 07 23:16:28 yeah that part is nice Mar 07 23:16:46 rwhitby: any progress on the testing script for ATT 2.1 profiles? If there is, I'll reflash and test again, if not, I'm going to reflash to the 1.4.5 masq Mar 07 23:16:54 halfhalo, what all did you need to do Mar 07 23:16:59 Loudergood: city state issue? Mar 07 23:17:21 Jack87: folks hve been asking for 150 for those units as well which I think is pricey for something that's no longer sold by HP/Palm Mar 07 23:17:47 bhuey, ya.. people dont understand public == dumb Mar 07 23:17:59 cities or towns show up as faketown, USA when you search for them Mar 07 23:18:11 no state Mar 07 23:18:13 that's... a pretty massive bug :p Mar 07 23:18:22 problem is there's multiples of each Mar 07 23:18:24 Loudergood, what city state issue? Mar 07 23:18:27 I take it if you're doing a proper address lookup is better? Mar 07 23:18:28 navit? Mar 07 23:18:40 Eg 12345 Something St Real City, CA? Mar 07 23:20:04 cool http://www.precentral.net/touchpad-pops-vietnam-has-sim-tray-video Mar 07 23:20:44 Jack87: Its a ms addon called Unix subsystem or something Mar 07 23:21:12 huh.. intresting. Mar 07 23:21:45 I guess HP doesnt trust folks inthe states Mar 07 23:22:44 Jack87: what do you mean? Mar 07 23:22:48 bhuey, pre2 is $30 on verizon on conract Mar 07 23:23:21 SineOt, viatnam folks got to paly with touch pad.. but HP wont let you even smell it in the states haha Mar 07 23:23:30 It came out of Vietnam, so it's most likely that it's a testing unit that got 'gently lifted' out of a factory in China along the border or in one of the new factories in North Vietnam Mar 07 23:23:47 I really doubt that HP sanctioned this :p Mar 07 23:24:04 haha true Mar 07 23:24:14 test units are like $10s of Gs! Mar 07 23:24:39 thats what kevin told me... Lisa's partner Mar 07 23:25:31 Vietnam has had a few really high profile tech leaks recently Mar 07 23:26:40 because from what I read a lot of companies are kind of moving small batch production of things like test devices to factories in Vietnam or something Mar 07 23:26:47 so there's a lot of unreleased tech floating around Mar 07 23:27:34 note to self... take vacations in vietnam Mar 07 23:28:16 there was a big leak of iPhone 4 parts out of Vietnam a while back Mar 07 23:28:35 basically the entire casing assembly Mar 07 23:29:01 didn't get much attention but then that iPhone 4 got picked up in a bar and suddenly everyone was all about it, even though all the parts had leaked earlier :p Mar 07 23:31:06 thats intresting Mar 07 23:31:18 there's been a few leaks like that that come to mind Mar 07 23:31:30 * Jack87 wants to get a verizon pre2 for $30 off contract :-) that be nice Mar 07 23:31:39 the touchscreen for the new iPod Nano leaked probably 4-5 months prior to launch and it got like, zero attention Mar 07 23:31:57 SineOt, where do you hear about these leaks? Mar 07 23:32:06 the internet P: Mar 07 23:32:06 we need a webosi app that has all the articles built in Mar 07 23:32:29 Engadget, 9to50mac, Apple Rumors. I check them every so often and sometimes there's interesting stuff that floats around Mar 07 23:32:31 PatrickC_Pre, the wikihas a mobile version Mar 07 23:32:38 I know Mar 07 23:36:20 Jack87: not looking to change carriers Mar 07 23:36:30 pre 2 isn't going to sell that well at all Mar 07 23:36:46 no advertisements, no hype outside of this community Mar 07 23:37:13 not to mention shinier devices waiting in the wings Mar 07 23:37:19 bhuey, no.. i mean... if pre2 is that cheap on contract than people will start selling em off contract soon enough so 80 bucks for a pre+ doesnt look so nice anymore Mar 07 23:37:28 my 3rd day into EVO and Android has me wishing for my Pre again Mar 07 23:37:37 given how erratic the UI is Mar 07 23:37:44 Loudergood, Verizon iphone4 is out now (buddy has one) Mar 07 23:37:49 ##6623# is nice Mar 07 23:37:58 yeah that too Mar 07 23:38:17 we'll see Mar 07 23:38:27 bhuey, i got an Evo for my bro. and i used it for about a week. couldnt stand it Mar 07 23:38:36 I peraonlly don't know how they'll catch up to android and iphone Mar 07 23:38:47 what did he use before ? Mar 07 23:38:51 EVO is ok Mar 07 23:38:56 when I use android I always try to swipe back :p Mar 07 23:39:10 but kludge ? yes Mar 07 23:39:28 UI is highly irregular, programmig APIs are scattered Mar 07 23:39:33 bhuey, thats his first phone. i suggested it to him as the pre hardware was out dated at the time. and if you are not a webos fan not worth it Mar 07 23:39:41 same here PatrickC_Pre Mar 07 23:39:52 Jack87: has he played with a Pre at all ? Mar 07 23:39:59 a little bit with mine Mar 07 23:39:59 and iOS, and BBerry too :p Mar 07 23:40:18 this was back in september when pre2 was still a myth Mar 07 23:40:25 aug. actualyl Mar 07 23:40:43 I'm keeping the EVO, but I'm not fully happy with it so far. I'll let it sit and absorb a bit to give me a good experience with the device and then I'll make my judgement Mar 07 23:40:52 pre 2 is fantastic Mar 07 23:40:56 played with one recentliy Mar 07 23:41:13 bhuey, i played with pre3... its amazing Mar 07 23:41:29 Lisa had one with her at SCALE Mar 07 23:41:40 and the veer is pretty darn cool Mar 07 23:41:40 yup Mar 07 23:42:03 halfhalo, did you like the veer? Mar 07 23:42:34 The Veer is pretty awesome Mar 07 23:42:36 pre 3 is huge and nice.. veer is small and cute Mar 07 23:42:39 on ubuntu now!!! Mar 07 23:42:53 navit doesn't seem to be getting a lock Mar 07 23:43:09 veer was nice Mar 07 23:43:41 veer is a nice phone for teens Mar 07 23:43:48 pre3 is nice for business men Mar 07 23:43:58 hehe so they can hide it in class? Mar 07 23:44:00 touchpad is nice all around :) Mar 07 23:44:13 yea duah Mar 07 23:44:34 the teen girls will go wild for the veer. Mar 07 23:44:43 it has a little tasel holder thing Mar 07 23:44:49 Jack87: in a kind of "this is just as fast as android" kind of way or something else ? Mar 07 23:44:55 is the 10GB disk space required for the meta-doc? Mar 07 23:45:00 my neighborhood isn't in the map data either. lol. how old is navit streetmap data? Mar 07 23:45:18 so they can add their wrist straps and charms Mar 07 23:45:59 bhuey, what do you mean Mar 07 23:46:24 PatrickC_Pre: I think it ends up using around 4GB or so unpacked Mar 07 23:47:21 Jack87: because of the speed of the device or somethign else ? Mar 07 23:47:26 EVO is pretty fast Mar 07 23:47:56 speed + webos! Mar 07 23:48:05 well Mar 07 23:48:08 big screen and all that funs tuff Mar 07 23:48:11 thanks djwhitney Mar 07 23:48:11 webos is slow Mar 07 23:48:15 s/tuff/stuff/ Mar 07 23:48:17 Jack87 meant: big screen and all that funs stuff Mar 07 23:48:25 so how is this different than an EVO ? Mar 07 23:48:25 s/djwhitney/djwhitey/ Mar 07 23:48:26 PatrickC_Pre meant: thanks djwhitey Mar 07 23:49:19 running webos on a good device is a great experience, but what would anybody say to that experience that already exists on an EVO or related device ? Mar 07 23:49:26 webos is not *that* slow Mar 07 23:49:36 when OCed Mar 07 23:49:37 pre- dude :) Mar 07 23:49:47 OC to 1.2GHz Mar 07 23:49:52 :) Mar 07 23:49:54 still very slow Mar 07 23:49:55 works awesome Mar 07 23:49:59 fuck that's insane Mar 07 23:50:01 or even 1.005MHz Mar 07 23:50:11 it's still slow because my problems are with memory Mar 07 23:50:17 the 1.005MHz is good Mar 07 23:50:27 my sprint pre- runs 2.1 pretty well at 1GHz Mar 07 23:50:33 I run app and do IO that exceed the comfort of that deice Mar 07 23:50:53 sadly enough Mar 07 23:51:04 bhuey: memory is my bottleneck as well. using compcache=32MB Mar 07 23:51:09 are you running 2.1? Mar 07 23:51:18 yeah, still slow, but it does help Mar 07 23:51:28 can't replace raw memory Mar 07 23:51:47 I wish it was a chip that can be replaced with a speciall soldering tool Mar 07 23:52:24 my pre+ seems to work well Mar 07 23:52:29 bhuey needs a FrankenPre+ =) Mar 07 23:52:36 yep :) Mar 07 23:52:42 I'm going to build one from plus parts Mar 07 23:52:52 my pre- got crushed recently Mar 07 23:53:06 screen is f-ed up, crascked Mar 07 23:53:12 cracked severely Mar 07 23:53:18 I been watching bad esn Pre+'s on ebay Mar 07 23:53:22 so sad Mar 07 23:53:31 mine has the USB port crack issue Mar 07 23:53:33 stolen I presume Mar 07 23:53:35 or lost Mar 07 23:53:44 all ya need is an in-tact comm board Mar 07 23:53:44 screen protector seems to stop it though Mar 07 23:53:51 got one Mar 07 23:53:54 out of my -pre Mar 07 23:54:07 pre2 reviews on verizon site are saddening Mar 07 23:54:12 pre2 build quality is so much better Mar 07 23:54:26 and a good condition pre+/pre2 Mar 07 23:54:29 people don't know how to use webOS, so they review badlyt Mar 07 23:54:38 s/badlyt/badly/ Mar 07 23:54:38 PatrickC_Pre meant: people don't know how to use webOS, so they review badly Mar 07 23:54:47 PatrickC_Pre: no shit Mar 07 23:55:28 iphone and droid fanboys, bah Mar 07 23:55:30 morons Mar 07 23:55:59 ubuntu is running slow :'( Mar 07 23:56:07 what ? impossible Mar 07 23:56:13 like on a 406 maybe Mar 07 23:56:19 486 Mar 07 23:56:25 ubuntu is a ram hog Mar 07 23:56:27 s/406/486 Mar 07 23:56:34 I gave it a full 1GB RAM Mar 07 23:56:36 s/406/486/ Mar 07 23:56:37 bhuey meant: s/486/486 Mar 07 23:56:41 bah Mar 07 23:56:44 lol Mar 07 23:56:46 gotta work that bot Mar 07 23:57:02 PatrickC_Pre, install guest additions Mar 07 23:57:09 meaning? Mar 07 23:57:09 dude ubuntu with KVM kills on this MacBook Mar 07 23:57:10 hit device menu on top of virtual box Mar 07 23:57:26 so fast Mar 07 23:57:52 his video is all software rendered right now thats why its running slow Mar 07 23:58:08 with guest additions he can actually use 2d/3d accelerated hardware from the computer Mar 07 23:58:31 * Jack87 always thinks wubi is best options for those only wanting to meta doctor Mar 07 23:58:59 ok im out you all have fun Mar 07 23:59:33 there is no instructions for the SDK on 10.10 Mar 07 23:59:39 we could make a vmware appliance pretty easily Mar 07 23:59:48 only 10.04 Mar 07 23:59:57 are they the same installation instructions? Mar 08 00:00:35 PatrickC_Pre- you around ? Mar 08 00:00:43 I'm here what's up? Mar 08 00:02:02 joeb_ see /msg Mar 08 00:03:38 PatrickC_Pre: they should be very close to 10.04 Mar 08 00:03:56 ok Mar 08 00:03:58 I'll try them Mar 08 00:04:00 for you. do everything in the Terminal Mar 08 00:04:08 kk Mar 08 00:05:41 deb: command not found Mar 08 00:05:45 hmm Mar 08 00:05:46 wierd Mar 08 00:05:55 PatrickC_Pre- one more time if you can't Mar 08 00:06:01 its coo if you can't Mar 08 00:06:38 what, try to download again? Mar 08 00:08:01 whats good Mar 08 00:08:35 PatrickC_Pre: sudo apt-get install patch make git-core tar zip unzip wget Mar 08 00:08:49 ?? lol Mar 08 00:09:15 git-core is just git on 10.10 Mar 08 00:09:25 git already done Mar 08 00:10:02 so you got all the dependencies covered? Mar 08 00:10:59 do I even need to download vbox? Mar 08 00:12:06 not if you're running ubuntu natively Mar 08 00:12:09 PatrickC_Pre- not for the meta-doctor Mar 08 00:12:18 ok good Mar 08 00:12:25 all I need is the SDK right? Mar 08 00:12:35 for meta-doctor? Mar 08 00:12:41 yea Mar 08 00:13:24 no.... clone metadoctor, get the appropriate doctors and thats pretty much it Mar 08 00:14:00 PatrickC_Pre- sdk is if you want sdk .. meta-doctor totally sperate Mar 08 00:14:07 xchat is telling me "webos-internals: no such channel" Mar 08 00:14:39 nvm I fixed it :o Mar 08 00:14:48 put a # in front of it Mar 08 00:15:02 found that out Mar 08 00:15:09 im used to using wIRC Mar 08 00:15:40 and joeb_ isnt the SDK needed for novacom? Mar 08 00:15:46 yes Mar 08 00:15:56 you need sdk & java jre if you plan on doctoring from ubuntu Mar 08 00:16:02 PatrickC_Ubuntu- i would just install sdk Mar 08 00:16:19 you do NOT need the sdk if you are doctoring only Mar 08 00:16:34 if you're gonna copy your resultant doctor.jar to a us & run from xp you don't need them Mar 08 00:17:16 at _most_ you would JUST need the linux novacom file which is NOT part of the main sdk file for linux Mar 08 00:17:38 ok Mar 08 00:17:43 oh yea it's separate Mar 08 00:18:15 so just download novacom? Mar 08 00:19:14 yea meta-doctor and the sdk way diff .. imho install sdk so you have the whole 9 Mar 08 00:27:57 one characteristic about the EVO that I think is true is that it's the cadillac of smart phones Mar 08 00:28:12 it handles like one as well unfortunately Mar 08 00:28:42 before they uppped the american models to compete with German roadsters Mar 08 00:29:30 PatrickC_Ubuntu: you installed Ubuntu if virtual box, right Mar 08 00:32:20 yea Mar 08 00:32:23 inside a vboc Mar 08 00:32:28 s/vboc/vbox/ Mar 08 00:32:28 PatrickC_Ubuntu meant: inside a vbox Mar 08 00:32:40 i think i am getting a better grasp on ubuntu Mar 08 00:34:02 PatrickC_Ubuntu: I'd probably run the doctor from y'know, your host OS :p Mar 08 00:34:23 like from win7? Mar 08 00:34:24 lol Mar 08 00:34:47 yes Mar 08 00:35:00 i probably will Mar 08 00:35:06 that's how I did it. built dr. w/ ubuntu, ran from win7 Mar 08 00:35:11 i just drop it onto a thumb drive to do it, right? Mar 08 00:35:12 you need the paravirtualized kernel Mar 08 00:35:18 make sure you install that in there as well Mar 08 00:35:24 and that this is the default boot kernel Mar 08 00:35:35 so that you're using the proper network and IO drivers Mar 08 00:42:09 if my profile already shows 9.9.9, i have to delete profile data, right? Mar 08 00:42:50 never mind Mar 08 00:59:48 downloading the scripts!!! Mar 08 01:05:36 70% done!!! Mar 08 01:08:12 10 seconds left!!! Mar 08 01:09:18 now it needs to download another file... Mar 08 01:09:57 which meta are you using? sprint-pre-2.1? Mar 08 01:10:58 verizon-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 08 01:13:46 that one only grabs 2 I think. sprint grabs 3 Mar 08 01:13:58 eya Mar 08 01:14:05 s/eya/yea Mar 08 01:14:17 it hasnt finished the second one Mar 08 01:14:19 yet Mar 08 01:19:55 now its doin a whole buncha other stuff Mar 08 01:21:11 the fun part Mar 08 01:21:21 yea.. Mar 08 01:21:25 it downloaded the big files Mar 08 01:21:33 now its doin a whole lot of other stuff Mar 08 01:22:17 yep. this is the part where the "magic" is happening Mar 08 01:23:00 can the magic happen faster please :) Mar 08 01:23:31 sure, get a faster computer ;) Mar 08 01:23:57 i gave it a whole 1GB RAM :p Mar 08 01:24:36 bottleneck at this part is prolly cpu Mar 08 01:25:03 now its doing a lot of .ipks Mar 08 01:25:21 done with those Mar 08 01:25:43 carrier apps. Mar 08 01:25:58 even though its a dev device :p Mar 08 01:26:02 how thoughtful of it Mar 08 01:26:15 i know :) Mar 08 01:26:22 but can it just finish :p Mar 08 01:26:45 it will all be packed into one nice little .jar, wont it? Mar 08 01:26:48 you're not gonna put it on vzw network? did you use --wifi-only? Mar 08 01:26:53 yes Mar 08 01:26:54 yes i did Mar 08 01:26:57 ok good Mar 08 01:27:03 im gonna run it from inside windows Mar 08 01:28:02 http://stockton.craigslist.org/mob/2236364982.html Mar 08 01:28:05 what do you guys think Mar 08 01:29:07 150 seems a little expensive to mee Mar 08 01:29:15 even for the touchstone to Mar 08 01:29:21 s/mee/me/ Mar 08 01:29:21 PatrickC_Ubuntu meant: 150 seems a little expensive to me Mar 08 01:29:26 well.. Mar 08 01:29:33 touchstones are like 10 bucks Mar 08 01:29:34 touchstone is usually $40 dollars Mar 08 01:29:35 joeb_: I was gonna say pretty decent deal Mar 08 01:29:44 did you apply for a dev pre2? Mar 08 01:29:54 don't program remember Mar 08 01:30:02 but you can start :) Mar 08 01:30:06 from what I've been seeing on ebay lately Mar 08 01:30:20 yea, on ebay they are cheap Mar 08 01:30:30 * joeb_ hates ebay / they take forever to ship Mar 08 01:30:54 patience padawan Mar 08 01:31:32 i'd say it was too high if it had a bad esn Mar 08 01:31:43 i ned patience Mar 08 01:32:06 this is takingggggggggg forever!!! Mar 08 01:32:12 s/ned/need/ Mar 08 01:32:14 yes. you should be just about all packed up now though Mar 08 01:32:29 still doin stuff Mar 08 01:32:30 djwhitey_pre- you got $150 bucks so i can give them :D Mar 08 01:32:46 PatrickC_Ubuntu: good to see that you're not reinforcing the "Now Generation" stereotype .. Mar 08 01:33:13 i probably gave ubuntu too little ram though Mar 08 01:33:28 PatrickC_Ubuntu- UBUNTU NEEDS ALL YOUR BASE!! Mar 08 01:33:30 j/k Mar 08 01:34:03 done!!!!! Mar 08 01:34:06 time to doctor! Mar 08 01:34:08 w00t Mar 08 01:34:23 im gonna try and doctor from inside ubuntu Mar 08 01:34:26 first Mar 08 01:34:43 its easy Mar 08 01:35:10 you installed novacom then? Mar 08 01:35:21 yes i did Mar 08 01:35:22 i thin Mar 08 01:35:23 in ubuntu* Mar 08 01:35:31 check it Mar 08 01:35:34 i did from the download center Mar 08 01:35:41 but its not seeing my phone Mar 08 01:36:14 and those "host tools" or whatever you vbox folks use to attach use to attach us devices Mar 08 01:36:23 type ps aux |grep nov PatrickC_Ubuntu Mar 08 01:36:30 s/us/usb Mar 08 01:36:50 what joeb_ Mar 08 01:37:07 PatrickC_Ubuntu- type ps aux |grep nov Mar 08 01:37:14 that shows you if novacomd is running Mar 08 01:37:20 you plug it into the win7 machine & "attach" it to the vbox Mar 08 01:37:23 root 9094 0.0 0.0 2792 1160 ? Ssl 15:16 0:05 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd Mar 08 01:37:27 you get that Mar 08 01:37:41 in a terminal in ubuntu he means Mar 08 01:37:56 yea that Mar 08 01:37:58 Konsole if you're using kde Mar 08 01:38:16 kde is bloated! Mar 08 01:38:21 * joeb_ starts a war Mar 08 01:38:26 true story Mar 08 01:38:33 where can i find the .jar? Mar 08 01:38:35 dam you didn't bite Mar 08 01:38:40 builds PatrickC_Ubuntu Mar 08 01:38:52 cd meta-doctor/builds Mar 08 01:39:04 PatrickC_Ubuntu: it told you at the beginning where to find it Mar 08 01:39:27 PatrickC_Ubuntu: you really haven't read the wiki page at all, have you? Mar 08 01:40:04 i have mostly Mar 08 01:40:08 how thoughtful of it* Mar 08 01:40:34 it's like the script KNEW you'd ask Mar 08 01:40:46 knew i ask for what??? lol Mar 08 01:40:51 im lost Mar 08 01:40:53 PatrickC_Ubuntu: you specifically agreed to read the whole page thoroughly before doing this. now you admit you haven't. Mar 08 01:41:03 i read all the steps Mar 08 01:41:08 but not much after Mar 08 01:41:25 ... Mar 08 01:41:55 what did we tell you? Mar 08 01:41:57 ph33r Mar 08 01:41:58 uh oh Mar 08 01:41:59 fun time! Mar 08 01:42:02 PatrickC_Ubuntu: you have one chance left. Mar 08 01:42:15 * djwhitey_pre smells a ban hammer Mar 08 01:42:16 i will finish reading before i ask anything else Mar 08 01:42:35 PatrickC_Ubuntu: if you ask one more question that is answered on the wiki page, you shall be permanently banned from this channel. got it? Mar 08 01:42:36 * uNiXpSyChO wanders by waiting for doom Mar 08 01:42:50 ok rwhitby, sorry Mar 08 01:43:03 no, you said that last time. forget sorry. just do it. Mar 08 01:43:09 i will Mar 08 01:43:14 uNiXpSyChO: thank you for all your kernel work Mar 08 01:43:31 PatrickC_Ubuntu: you said that last time too. stop wasting time replying, and read the wiki page 5 times. Mar 08 01:44:40 man .. i remember bcak in the day i would be flaming with somebody and the all of a sudden he would op up .. im like you where an op the whole time Mar 08 01:44:51 I suppose it's partly my / joeb_ 's fault for coddling. Mar 08 01:44:53 boot! Mar 08 01:44:59 * djwhitey_pre ducks Mar 08 01:45:11 * uNiXpSyChO PWN3D Mar 08 01:45:36 * halfhalo hides from l33tsp34k Mar 08 01:45:41 lol Mar 08 01:47:09 oh good god PatrickC_Ubuntu I told you to read the entire wiki Mar 08 01:47:15 it's like 3 printed pages of content Mar 08 01:50:09 :/ Mar 08 01:50:33 must are not alliterate here. Mar 08 01:51:12 he even promised to read every word: "thrice" Mar 08 01:54:05 don't do it Pixi Mar 08 01:54:15 dont do what? Mar 08 01:55:29 dont... ask a wiki-answered question ;) Mar 08 01:55:41 i wont Mar 08 01:55:47 i should have it all figured out now :) Mar 08 01:56:13 the .jar is on the thumb drive, and getting ready to be transfered to my host OS Mar 08 01:58:25 phone in recovery mode Mar 08 01:58:28 doctor running Mar 08 01:58:29 you can share the meta-doctor directory & access it from windows... no thumbs necessary. Mar 08 01:59:03 i didnt feel like figuring that part out, so i just went with the thumb, and its already done :) Mar 08 01:59:33 sorry for all the wiki-answered questions rwhitby Mar 08 01:59:36 I love this: "Step 5: There is no Step 5." Mar 08 01:59:40 yea Mar 08 01:59:44 that is awesome! lol Mar 08 02:00:44 2%! Mar 08 02:00:53 4%! and growing! Mar 08 02:01:14 PatrickC_Ubuntu, we dont need % updates Mar 08 02:01:29 ok Mar 08 02:02:28 that was odd Mar 08 02:02:35 but now its going again Mar 08 02:03:10 I *really* hope you don't mention anything that was already covered in the tutorial videos either ... Mar 08 02:03:28 didnt know there were tutorial vids... :o Mar 08 02:03:33 but i made it through without them Mar 08 02:03:37 :D Mar 08 02:04:02 tutorial videos are listed on the wiki page. Mar 08 02:04:06 *facepalm Mar 08 02:04:27 Omg the beginning of the Wiki page has links to vids Mar 08 02:05:01 * scoutcamper notes PatrickC_Pixi is still here ... Mar 08 02:05:42 it's not a ban, just a kick. Mar 08 02:06:01 awww Mar 08 02:06:01 he's welcome back *after* he has actually read the wiki page Mar 08 02:06:27 sup Mar 08 02:07:12 fudge_: how come you didn't get the taiwan touchpad scoop ? ;) Mar 08 02:07:39 (assuming you're the fudge from PreCentral) Mar 08 02:08:01 lol. he still has clients here... _Pre and _Pixi (or is my wIRC nicklist not refreshed?) Mar 08 02:10:31 djwhitey_pre, just Piki Mar 08 02:10:37 s/piki/pixi/ Mar 08 02:10:43 hmm. wIRC didn't show the /kick either Mar 08 02:11:13 I sometimes wonder if it misses things Mar 08 02:11:18 PuffTheMagic: does wIRC handle /kick messages and update the user list? Mar 08 02:11:30 ;p; Mar 08 02:12:02 I see the /join from bemjb_pre & the "user" icon incremented Mar 08 02:12:18 but /kick didnt? hrm Mar 08 02:12:33 I'll have to test that more often ... ;) Mar 08 02:12:50 rwhitby, im connecting my pre now to try :D Mar 08 02:13:10 rwhitby: hey, this sprint pre+ 2.1 metadoctor script is pretty cool (first time trying it) Mar 08 02:13:12 rwhitby last time I looked at wircs source code it didn't update the list Mar 08 02:13:46 destinal inorite? kept running it at the scale boot Mar 08 02:14:01 Scoutcamper-Pre: I saw the /join & user count incremented Mar 08 02:14:06 halfhalo: did anyone ask you to upgrade their pre for them? :) Mar 08 02:14:38 one Mar 08 02:14:58 ... Mar 08 02:14:59 the doctor finished successfully! Mar 08 02:15:01 PatrickC_Ubuntu: welcome back Mar 08 02:15:04 and it booted! Mar 08 02:15:07 thanks rwhitby Mar 08 02:15:12 w00t PatrickC_Ubuntu Mar 08 02:15:16 rwhitby, go ahead and kick the scoutcamper|2 Mar 08 02:15:50 wow thats crucial kicks / bans show up in red Mar 08 02:15:52 i saw kick msg Mar 08 02:15:58 funny. my nicklist shows PatrickC_Pixi & Patrick, but autocomplete only does PatrickC_Pixi Mar 08 02:15:59 user count did not update though Mar 08 02:16:19 well, we've all learnt something here today then :) Mar 08 02:16:21 s/Patrick/PatrickC_Pre Mar 08 02:16:23 ok, that figures Mar 08 02:16:36 I think that's an easy patch though Mar 08 02:16:42 thanks all! Mar 08 02:17:17 ok this time I saw the /kick of scoutcamper|2 Mar 08 02:19:05 hmm what's the equivalent of /hop? Mar 08 02:19:29 wow, just when you thought Luna already took an insanely long time to start... webos 2.1 tops it Mar 08 02:19:31 ./I? Mar 08 02:19:46 destinal eh Mar 08 02:19:50 yay Mar 08 02:19:56 i see Tux Mar 08 02:20:02 destinal: first boot on 2.1 is gruesome, cause it's creating all the db8 stuff from the configurator Mar 08 02:20:16 rwhitby: aha Mar 08 02:21:42 well that didn't work. tried to make a wirc alias "hop"="part %c; join %c" Mar 08 02:21:51 it only did the /part =( Mar 08 02:22:24 set your part message to join %c Mar 08 02:26:29 no dice :/ Mar 08 02:33:13 flash on 2.1 is awesome Mar 08 02:34:01 i think my customer i cussing out the carrier is iraq language Mar 08 02:34:06 s/is/in Mar 08 02:34:15 lol Mar 08 02:34:16 s/i/in Mar 08 02:35:30 is anyone running 2.1 on a pre-? Mar 08 02:35:32 this is when i get hung up on / the carrier gets hung up on and the customer and me are just sitting there wondering why there is still hold music Mar 08 02:35:36 is it at all worthwhile? Mar 08 02:35:39 * djwhitey_pre is Mar 08 02:35:47 summatusmentis: yes Mar 08 02:35:47 summatusmentis- everybody and there momma is running 2.1 Mar 08 02:35:58 bye all Mar 08 02:36:01 yeah, but most of what I've seen is people w/ pre+s Mar 08 02:36:03 gonna log off the ubuntu Mar 08 02:36:04 ...to both your questions Mar 08 02:36:12 djwhitey_pre: do you find it slow at all? Mar 08 02:36:29 summatusmentis- you can overclcok your kernel to 1ghz like pre2 :D Mar 08 02:36:47 joeb_: yeah, and my battery life goes to shit when I do that Mar 08 02:36:51 it was until uberkernal. but so was 1.4.5. I actually find it better than 1.4.5 Mar 08 02:37:06 even at stock speeds? Mar 08 02:37:29 600MHz Mar 08 02:37:41 summatusmentis- turn off data Mar 08 02:37:47 joeb_: I use it too frequently Mar 08 02:37:56 I use ampache for music Mar 08 02:38:12 joeb_: at stock speeds, even streaming music constantly, I get pretty good battery life Mar 08 02:38:31 but UK/speedstep 800/500 kills my batt Mar 08 02:38:46 use ondemand Mar 08 02:38:51 yea price you pay for greatness :P Mar 08 02:39:07 ondemand fucks up video Mar 08 02:39:21 it's why I'm hoping that at some point, ondemandtcl gets a back port Mar 08 02:39:41 I think it's been jacking with my sound too Mar 08 02:40:12 like stuttering Mar 08 02:40:20 how is ondemandctl different than ondemand? Mar 08 02:40:50 it's ticklish Mar 08 02:41:02 ondemandtcl, when running something that screws up under ondemand, will hop to max speed and stay there Mar 08 02:41:20 oh, tcl Mar 08 02:41:37 instead of adjusting in the background and causing issues with video playback Mar 08 02:41:38 SineOt: until when? forever? Mar 08 02:41:42 until you stop Mar 08 02:41:51 oh, interesting Mar 08 02:41:54 basically only to my knowledge when playing video back Mar 08 02:41:55 until you stop tickling it Mar 08 02:42:00 that sounds reasonable Mar 08 02:42:02 and I think also on touch/keyboard events Mar 08 02:42:04 yeah it's nice Mar 08 02:42:13 if you aren't doing anything else it just scales around to meet demand Mar 08 02:42:17 SineOt: what do you recommend using? performance with battery in mind Mar 08 02:42:42 how common are borked Palm Profile issues when running 2.1? Mar 08 02:42:47 my dream is to someday be able to use ondemandtcl, but that's not an option on the Pre-/Pre+ :( Mar 08 02:42:56 but until then I really have no idea Mar 08 02:43:27 djwhitey_pre: but you'd say, in general, stock speeds 2.1 aren't significantly worse than stock speeds 1.4.5? Mar 08 02:43:35 I got lucky :) Mar 08 02:43:36 SineOt: time to start learning kernel hacking ... Mar 08 02:43:44 it didn't wipe my usb drive Mar 08 02:43:53 rwhitby: oh boy :p Mar 08 02:43:57 summatusmentis: no, very similar Mar 08 02:43:59 rwhitby: what's the blocker on backporting it? Mar 08 02:44:04 djwhitey_pre: cool Mar 08 02:44:15 I don't mind 1.4.5 running at stock speed Mar 08 02:44:29 PatrickC_Pixi: that might be on the Wiki page too :P Mar 08 02:45:00 it said that the doctor *might* erase the usb drive Mar 08 02:45:10 1.4.5 - > 2.1 won't wipe it. 2.1 -> 1.4.5 will Mar 08 02:45:21 I backed it up, but it ended up not killin the usb drive Mar 08 02:45:22 :) Mar 08 02:45:26 djwhitey_pre: "won't" is a strong word Mar 08 02:45:57 s/won't/doesn't usually Mar 08 02:46:07 optimistic still? Mar 08 02:46:28 no, that's correct. Mar 08 02:47:17 the webOS startup scripts will wipe your USB without warning at the drop of a hat. basically anything out of the ordinary, and it just wipes without mercy. Mar 08 02:48:32 summatusmentis: if you go to 2.1, even if you use stock speeds, I'd recommend using compcache Mar 08 02:48:41 the 2.1 wiki page says "If you feel the need to ask whether you should do this on your primary phone, then you should not, as that indicates that you have not yet taken the required precautions and backups in case something goes wrong. " Mar 08 02:48:51 what precautions/backups? Mar 08 02:49:02 djwhitey_pre: I think I'm using compcache now, on 1.4.5 Mar 08 02:49:16 copied your USB drive down, use Save/Restore to back up app stuff, etc etc I'd imagine :p Mar 08 02:49:20 and it shows as 2.1.0! Mar 08 02:49:30 summatusmentis: if you're not prepared for your phone to lose service and be completely wiped, then you're not prepared. Mar 08 02:49:32 1) backup app data save/restore 2) copy usb to computer Mar 08 02:49:53 s/data/data using Mar 08 02:49:53 rwhitby: completely lose service? or until you get 2.1? Mar 08 02:50:03 summatusmentis: completely lose service Mar 08 02:50:25 rwhitby: and there are backups that allow this to be repaired? Mar 08 02:50:37 yeah, doctor back to 1.4.5 Mar 08 02:50:52 no guarantee though Mar 08 02:51:05 rwhitby: how many people get it is first doctor? Mar 08 02:51:10 can/will you give an estimate about likelihood of this ocurring? Mar 08 02:51:25 PatrickC_Pixi: 100% of those who read the wiki page Mar 08 02:51:46 summatusmentis: it's highly unlikely, but you could easily be the first. Mar 08 02:52:05 so I guess reading is a good thing :) Mar 08 02:52:37 rwhitby: that's heartening :) Mar 08 02:52:48 summatusmentis: I presume you've read the part of the wiki page which talks about PRL updates Mar 08 02:52:50 PatrickC_Pixi: you make me cry on the inside Mar 08 02:52:54 reading is always a good thing Mar 08 02:53:04 rwhitby: still reading through it, I just started thinking about this tonight Mar 08 02:53:08 but before I jump, I will Mar 08 02:53:23 unless your goal is to be banned from this channel and to brick your device Mar 08 02:53:30 but sineot: I did read, and good things came from it :) Mar 08 02:53:44 it took the threat of getting banned to get you to read Mar 08 02:54:15 summatusmentis: I god kicked for asking questions that were answered on the wiki, so I suggesst you read the wiki :) Mar 08 02:54:21 touche Mar 08 02:54:27 no, I got kicked first :p Mar 08 02:54:35 I didn't realize there was a wiki page until ~8 minutes ago Mar 08 02:54:49 ahh Mar 08 02:54:52 * rwhitby sacks the WebOS Internals PR manager Mar 08 02:55:04 but I would read it at least once Mar 08 02:55:17 that's the third one this week! Mar 08 02:55:37 rwhitby: to be fair, I haven't really been following this stuff beyond the precentral forum posts. And, afaik, there hasn't been an updated one since "hey look, they can do this" Mar 08 02:55:38 third what? person who doesn't read the wiki? Mar 08 02:55:52 don't get me wrong, I have every intention of reading the wiki Mar 08 02:56:26 ok Mar 08 02:58:22 very cool, thanks all, sorry for not reading the wiki first :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 08 02:59:57 2011